Hello, GNOME 3.36.6 is now available. This is a stable bugfix release for 3.36. All distributions shipping GNOME 3.36 are encouraged to upgrade. If you want to compile GNOME 3.36.6, you can use the official BuildStream project snapshot: https://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/3.36.6/gnome-3.36.6.tar.xz The list of updated modules and changes is available here: https://download.gnome.org/core/3.36/3.36.6/NEWS The source packages are available here: https://download.gnome.org/core/3.36/3.36.6/sources/ Enjoy the new release, Matthias Clasen GNOME Release Team

=20

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 10:30:44 a.m. EDT, Ma= tthias Clasen via desktop-devel-list <desktop-devel-list@gnome.org> w= rote:

= The GNOME Project is proud to announce the release of GNOME 3.38, Orbis.
This release brings a new Welcome tour, improved grouping and reorderi= ng
of applications in the overview, better fingerprint enrollment, deepe= r
systemd integration, and more.

Improvements to core GNOME appli= cations include intelligent tracking
prevention in Web, night mode and a= daptive UI in Maps, redesigned
Clocks and Sound Recorder, and more.
<= br>For more information about the changes in GNOME 3.38, you can visit
t= he release notes:

https://help.gnome.org/m= isc/release-notes/3.38/

https://youtu.be/DZ_P5W9r2JY=

GNOME 3.38 will be available shortly in many distribut= ions. If you want
to try it today, you can use the Fedora 33 beta that w= ill be available
soon or the openSUSE nightly live images which include = GNOME 3.38.

https://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/<= br> htt= ps://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/33/Workstation= /x86_64/iso/
https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Medias/images/iso= /?P=3DGNOME_Next*

This is the first release for which we can pro= vide our own installer
images for debugging and testing features. These = images are meant for
installation in a vm and require GNOME Boxes 3.38 (= with UEFI support)
to boot:

https://gnome-build-meta.s3.amazonaws.com/3.38.0/gnome_os_inst= aller.iso

If you are interested in building applications for GNO= ME 3.38, look for
the GNOME 3.38 Flatpak SDK, which is available in the = www.f= lathub.org
repository.

This six-month effort wouldn't have be= en possible without the whole
GNOME community, made of contributors and = friends from all around the
world: developers, designers, documentation = writers, usability and
accessibility specialists, translators, maintaine= rs, students, system
administrators, companies, artists, testers and las= t, but not least,
our users.

GNOME would not exist without all of= you. Thank you to everyone!

Our next release is planned for Ma= rch 2021. Until then, enjoy GNOME 3.38!

Matthias C= lasen

GNOME release team

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desktop-devel-list mailing list<= br>desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

------=_Part_3157641_1566618945.1600286767347-- From mcatanzaro@gnome.org Fri Sep 25 19:34:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AC5A26A3 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:34:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.92 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x3p__IbnrakA for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout02.posteo.de (mout02.posteo.de [185.67.36.142]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9569EA26A1 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8D012400FB for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4ByhtK2pRjz6tmY for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 14:33:53 -0500 From: Michael Catanzaro Subject: Let's improve our communication: Discourse To: desktop-devel-list Message-Id: X-Mailer: geary/3.36.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-BeenThere: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Desktop Development List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:34:08 -0000 Hi, We have been trialing Discourse as a potential replacement for GNOME mailing lists in order to modernize our communications infrastructure and make contributing to GNOME more attractive to newcomers. If this goes well, then we should be able to shut down most of our antiquated mailing lists (with possible exceptions for announce-list and distributor-list(?)) possibly quite soon [1]. I understand that some lists have already migrated. However, until now, it has not been clear what to do with desktop-devel-list@gnome.org. We need this list for sending announcements that all (or at least most) developers will be guaranteed to see. But there is too much activity on Discourse to expect everybody to watch all activity there. Rather than attempt to drink from the firehose, I'd like to encourage developers to at least subscribe to the announcement tag [2][3]. You can do this by clicking on the notification bell in the upper-right corner of the screen, then selecting "Watching" or "Watching First Post." This will probably suffice to replace our use of desktop-devel-list for important announcements... I think. To test how well this works, I've posted two important announcements on Discourse now, under that tag. The announcement tag might not be sufficient. We might, for example, want another category, e.g. a Maintainers category. Please give Discourse a try, provide feedback, and we'll see how things go. Some tips: * You can use your GNOME LDAP account to log into Discourse, or create a separate account just for Discourse. * [4] discusses interacting with Discourse using email. Configuring email notifications is very important. Be careful with mailing list mode; do not expect it to match the mailman behavior. Also note that some of the preferences have changed a bit since that guide was posted. * Use [5] to suggest improvements to our Discourse instance. * GNOME distributors, consider subscribing to the distributor tag [6] for notifications (equivalent to distributor-list) Michael [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/Initiatives/-/issues/18 [2] https://discourse.gnome.org/tag/announcement [3] https://discourse.gnome.org/t/tags-and-watching/94 [4] https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 [5] https://discourse.gnome.org/c/site-feedback/ [6] https://discourse.gnome.org/tag/distributor From marinaz@redhat.com Sun Sep 27 02:54:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A946AB4C6 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:54:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.203 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=2.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id thCv7_Haqk4q for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [63.128.21.124]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E52AA02D2 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1601175246; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type; bh=b/w979m/jlnUPwCni5MRCib/lNIVqSsl1ian41FZUxQ=; b=YZgKFnpq7H/pieT15TKdRaiykzBqKGTt5s9a/uxPcNzwbl2yCwsEez3Sckdx0BGPf1jsWq otSC4RdB0VQP+6F91l5RUbZaeq3i8bpM1XGKvVM23g9X7FOiwrzyliah3oEnymzX4grpRH 5mSpQHLLWRyPBMskxTAs/vb0u6SpcOk= Received: from mail-qv1-f71.google.com (mail-qv1-f71.google.com [209.85.219.71]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-358-rDjuXDt8MLqi31yYw6MwKA-1; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:54:00 -0400 X-MC-Unique: rDjuXDt8MLqi31yYw6MwKA-1 Received: by mail-qv1-f71.google.com with SMTP id f21so4429419qve.9 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 19:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=b/w979m/jlnUPwCni5MRCib/lNIVqSsl1ian41FZUxQ=; b=DuaeFfR573+JNc4LAGNyEcR2PskyqvGp5oWs2RUVujec9JFn4KsByXEV7i6+ot/Mg4 YiLnMAlIDOHfdTCgR94rwMAAaSVYxyK3m/PEzJv/LijS1/qJI86Vxwb3Hy61kQMohzkP s3rBsMq6Ee7vzkL5Irk6HobCL1R1dQBx0C6rI2+t08D2EthtWEazZWew+GbJ3sAcPOB2 7lY5F880YQrVx0vxJn0bNtzHY3D0gOUX3TYNpYtthvpeLNCDM/BVACDOMW0GPCE1cA5W 8b7JVjgLIHmAzw8VcISFIKhXZoR8IMAaAKfY9toV/kgr86ZRMNmnoTa0onosP2f3H/tL s2sQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531jSN4Mq1HMeWsrOfox5cWk0uZUg309F7fghw6uFypnmK+cl2V5 U4neTDYovxIfK9UMBR5pXO3NzStc8NssqXhBdClFzjH+CusUTqhS22qayTKsWQ1uHPltUmmoWzv mTD3oXAumV6O/q6/cWF8ysxFHReAiz/MnpRT5kHjp X-Received: by 2002:aed:3b78:: with SMTP id q53mr6848123qte.195.1601175239989; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 19:53:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxtOH17wR89AcZkzJAEHpFArCyXSo8fHOQ6waKuWLivLujTvMfy00dOJV4mh+shIeJB1QMpTjcpP+iOjCVCAzk= X-Received: by 2002:aed:3b78:: with SMTP id q53mr6848106qte.195.1601175239602; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 19:53:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Sign-up to mentor a project for Outreachy by September 29 To: desktop-devel-list , foundation-list , gnome-women-list Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=marinaz@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000061b2fd05b042a9f5" X-BeenThere: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Desktop Development List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:54:09 -0000 --00000000000061b2fd05b042a9f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all, I'm happy to let you know that Kristi Progri and Felipe Borges are joining me as co-coordinators for Outreachy! Thank you both for stepping up for this role! The GNOME Foundation has confirmed funding for three spots in Outreachy for the December 2020 round. If you would like to mentor this round, please head to https://www.outreachy.org/outreachy-december-2020-internship-round/communities/gnome/submit-project/ as soon as possible and submit your project idea there. All project ideas need to be added in the Outreachy's application system by mentors by 4pm UTC on Tuesday, September 29. Because GNOME only usually has a few participants in Outreachy, we are looking to offer projects that are most strategic for GNOME. These include, but are not limited to, projects in the area of privacy, GTK+, core experience, core applications, developer experience, and development infrastructure. More information about GNOME's participation in Outreachy is available at https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreach/Outreachy . 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Hi all,=

I'm happy to let you know that Kristi Pr= ogri and Felipe Borges are joining me as co-coordinators for Outreachy! Tha= nk you both for stepping up for this role!

The GNOME Foundation has confirmed funding for three spots= in Outreachy for the December 2020 round. If you would like to mentor this= round, please head to https://www.ou= treachy.org/outreachy-december-2020-internship-round/communities/gnome/subm= it-project/ as soon as possible and submit your project idea there. All= project ideas need to be added in the Outreachy's application system b= y mentors by 4pm UTC on Tuesday, September 29.

Because GNOME only usually has a few participants in Outreachy, we are lo= oking to offer projects that are most strategic for GNOME. These include, b= ut are not limited to, projects in the area of privacy, GTK+, core experien= ce, core applications, developer experience, and development infrastructure= . More information about GNOME's participation in Outreachy is availabl= e at https://wiki.gno= me.org/Outreach/Outreachy .

Please feel free to e-mail gnome-outreachy-list@gnome.org , which is a private mailing list with Outreachy coordinators and mentor= s for GNOME, with any questions.

Thanks,
Marina
=

--00000000000061b2fd05b042a9f5-- From ssssam@gmail.com Mon Sep 28 08:27:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65072A26A5; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:27:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.598 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hgytPCEGXn4T; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-il1-x129.google.com (mail-il1-x129.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::129]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D727A26A0; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-il1-x129.google.com with SMTP id f15so367696ilj.2; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=J8MgmY1n7KBhGimafP9PJyPQOI2URSvXipm5yLGtFDQ=; b=UQBKJThzKxnuPEWa6DC6Rk51iw6YHXddA8JQNk4jXx4+kH2JnfvI7ro/3A6rT4CTOA DylLUgCa80+dfDnEmpbqrHdmzGEvefHCCjsPq7YSARu4Td0vA6EGNNvXDIen5owowS6e dYvERLbRW3CufHBmoXUeEI1Iewxu24XMxFiVQqByap8HFj8tdT+UkpuC5Q4D5ZAONmyd umUlO+xwjZMNHtonwCzWHuneMvCsDgjFFpB1JOoc3JDGkAWRIFrs690ODiZCVb2O3kjc jWEKEJ0bdvuGkXKdHZZaHEyAzoM1rXHieGuUPA39b7QmGjRTWk0hUYIoGtR3N3u92DLZ YpZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=J8MgmY1n7KBhGimafP9PJyPQOI2URSvXipm5yLGtFDQ=; b=uK7zSyfOP9uScAZKf0FoiPUK4FKCv2dKcpFyM4eclAfj9hPLqe4+JbveLAtZFV7f5/ 4ZyE7LXg5d3UqQ5E26MYBRLa3z0xoDog2yQV/Q+Q3Ik46o8ni5bJXSBALdsMdXt5ger2 sc9nzsPuZXWj73RhzoKoENmHFL1/CIbrakQ0aOWLcrSQGQB7U0EGNi8/GyIwjnLkAodC BKpA9BjRaqc7LL7v5v/Aiw/FlEF/orCycQubRucniHoCZss9xZ4PVs35YusBjualYFP+ BVzc6MkuaJbMylECCkmZdVCglssidD8mkLjThPp+/UsDR4SbYNeu4zJag0OZiuYA/AB2 +t4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532YYEDqXddJO5I055mr3w5O1JLNiaPSK9TbYaRE5DYLZVeN6CTP sQtEatFTBJ8ud6Ci8KrGz/va2cpa9EjXrH8eN/yZZQNO X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzzRb5sDrfg1p8t7GuWVPW1RI6pNxtWH+BMsygCFoHl3lzqsnUtc0RSvhSf++gfEe1Jr/E1fgmYsDwjE0OxfNU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:c1:: with SMTP id r1mr215869ilq.165.1601281622733; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 01:27:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Sam Thursfield Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:26:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Let's improve our communication: Discourse To: Michael Catanzaro Cc: desktop-devel-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Desktop Development List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:27:05 -0000 On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:34 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > But there is too much activity on > Discourse to expect everybody to watch all activity there. Rather than > attempt to drink from the firehose, I'd like to encourage developers to > at least subscribe to the announcement tag [2][3]. It sounds like a good idea to automatically subscribe users to this tag on discourse.gnome.org. I had a quick search on meta.discourse.org to see if that's possible, and found no mentions at all. So I guess it isn't straightforward. Sam From marinaz@redhat.com Tue Sep 29 01:56:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87FA26A5 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 01:56:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.716 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.716 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.687, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=2.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JdXC4KpPF_1Y for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 01:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [63.128.21.124]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D084FA26A1 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 01:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1601344565; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=urmRflgPUm7nf3yqrq/hu9yjXshS0xtckBISH1kZoKo=; b=WG2Izw8tkEhQ/JodNFFfBUDzD2SdbY3tHmLKAgLeD1PaREbW73uXXvvCKMVHwzyw21yGOT +BLGiQ2kY0m0dZU1seuVsVVMXPyOBemPME5XvYQGz4ZLWtmDwE2sv2OBsnJQ7AzqoFAcpb PsoincWa0WbfWFQ0jOnT6w7k2E02RkI= Received: from mail-qt1-f200.google.com (mail-qt1-f200.google.com [209.85.160.200]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-568-v9BB06I2MjCry4b0OeB_JA-1; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 21:56:00 -0400 X-MC-Unique: v9BB06I2MjCry4b0OeB_JA-1 Received: by mail-qt1-f200.google.com with SMTP id b18so1965950qto.4 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:56:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=urmRflgPUm7nf3yqrq/hu9yjXshS0xtckBISH1kZoKo=; b=Rmhn1OKB+1wDw3V4rI5nPHmDcns+5SSjk9ymxwDzHByQUMpMXyyXDotB81/PxUYZJZ lYfEToNOgOWzCoj0DetMg2b8q0FXpy+yPWvCvZWqDS2ulwDtnztyrjXiHLXGL7gZDa/8 FQIekNXodd6iWmr3nClqNR0bSOF2hZ00EaYY1gQf4/GMP7ebltrytXLMqNQkYKdDm2Ja u+SZiQb+4sxfp0JMSnNhp5fBBdtUj2zDI0qTt8iZmrt2vuTLGdAt++F/0bt4MU6aAwqW JPPx+iA16KgndElbOu2yv03kASj93ErdD7/FNmJis52b3Tdt4HS/kvDFI70fz95oI361 cCxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533YcsiGeERiRK84ky8J7xsZhnmua8E4mzvYoDHriJmuPo+v2GM9 aNDBNPlpBXJX+iYKzrs1mStZeDWkGqH95mRx247HMjeb6iq9GdypVYlB4HqhCQWaA8+8/Ko3ZaW eL2CDxSDQ9Q4wFN6t8ZsnMIZaePWBXXQY3aME9Azc X-Received: by 2002:a37:bf04:: with SMTP id p4mr2225434qkf.345.1601344559693; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyyc0Hm2ALkkfQKOCmRp5RJ960vjizrqcOkYgtTK6D6vLgaiGIKlg1M9byHT2xkHBaQgyvAm/KMXF/v3Bdic0w= X-Received: by 2002:a37:bf04:: with SMTP id p4mr2225418qkf.345.1601344559415; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:55:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 21:55:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sign-up to mentor a project for Outreachy by September 29 To: desktop-devel-list , foundation-list , gnome-women-list Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=marinaz@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a0a1a805b06a154e" X-BeenThere: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Desktop Development List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 01:56:09 -0000 --000000000000a0a1a805b06a154e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 10:53 PM Marina Zhurakhinskaya wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm happy to let you know that Kristi Progri and Felipe Borges are joining > me as co-coordinators for Outreachy! Thank you both for stepping up for > this role! > > The GNOME Foundation has confirmed funding for three spots in Outreachy > for the December 2020 round. If you would like to mentor this round, please > head to > https://www.outreachy.org/outreachy-december-2020-internship-round/communities/gnome/submit-project/ > as soon as possible and submit your project idea there. All project ideas > need to be added in the Outreachy's application system by mentors by 4pm > UTC on Tuesday, September 29. > Outreachy received a lot of initial applications, and will need more time to review them. The project submission deadline for mentors was moved to 4pm UTC on October 3. This means you have all week to submit a project if you would like to mentor one. The contribution period will be October 5 to October 31. Thanks, Marina > Because GNOME only usually has a few participants in Outreachy, we are > looking to offer projects that are most strategic for GNOME. These include, > but are not limited to, projects in the area of privacy, GTK+, core > experience, core applications, developer experience, and development > infrastructure. More information about GNOME's participation in Outreachy > is available at https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreach/Outreachy . > > Please feel free to e-mail gnome-outreachy-list@gnome.org , which is a > private mailing list with Outreachy coordinators and mentors for GNOME, > with any questions. > > Thanks, > Marina > --000000000000a0a1a805b06a154e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at = 10:53 PM Marina Zhurakhinskaya <ma= rinaz@redhat.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I= 'm happy to let you know that Kristi Progri and Felipe Borges are joini= ng me as co-coordinators for Outreachy! Thank you both for stepping up for = this role!

The GNOME Found= ation has confirmed funding for three spots in Outreachy for the December 2= 020 round. If you would like to mentor this round, please head to https://www.outreachy.org/= outreachy-december-2020-internship-round/communities/gnome/submit-project/<= /a> as soon as possible and submit your project idea there. All project ide= as need to be added in the Outreachy's application system by mentors by= 4pm UTC on Tuesday, September 29.

Outreachy received a lot of initial applications, = and will need=20 more time to review them. The project submission deadline for=20 mentors was moved to 4pm UTC on October 3. This means you have all week=20 to submit a project if you would like to mentor one. The contribution=20 period will be October 5 to October 31.

Thanks,

Marina

Because GNOME only= usually has a few participants in Outreachy, we are looking to offer proje= cts that are most strategic for GNOME. These include, but are not limited t= o, projects in the area of privacy, GTK+, core experience, core application= s, developer experience, and development infrastructure. More information a= bout GNOME's participation in Outreachy is available at https://wiki.gnome= .org/Outreach/Outreachy .

Please feel free to e-mail gnome-outreachy-li= st@gnome.org , which is a private mailing list with Outreachy coordinat= ors and mentors for GNOME, with any questions.

Thanks,
Marina

--000000000000a0a1a805b06a154e-- From mcrha@redhat.com Tue Sep 29 09:24:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9037E545 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:24:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.785 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.785 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.687, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9AuNFrWXsKCC for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [216.205.24.124]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A691F3CD19 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1601366725; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=siIdiYap6A6ry1otJsWrGOzvcbTygcLK4VExuT9qcDI=; b=cAy/PJSTE17cm8+XC5PZxQSnaNbOOwkbvEsu044Nth5KG4tHK3iZxmIzQGYOc/Ry30TB13 tgYC7+MxnR9xPp9BuJCnTj6xkSSQDMycO83X+Z00+59IfQJ3RoRCtfmeaxS8lV6zILZCq+ vn7zse4Yj2L4+K5uIGdSP9Wo3X6lE74= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-517-6sjZ7-nrOn2G7WHu_So5Ow-1; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 04:05:19 -0400 X-MC-Unique: 6sjZ7-nrOn2G7WHu_So5Ow-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0B1164092 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.40.193.101] (unknown [10.40.193.101]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A4678829 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9b3b7bcb973f2f55f6eebd89d490f358dd547ff2.camel@redhat.com> Subject: Re: Let's improve our communication: Discourse From: Milan Crha To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:00:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Evolution 3.39.1 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=mcrha@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Desktop Development List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:24:29 -0000 On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 10:26 +0200, Sam Thursfield via desktop-devel- list wrote: > It sounds like a good idea to automatically subscribe users to this > tag on discourse.gnome.org. Hi, this kind of behavior can be seen as a spam attempt, especially when it's done silently, behind people's back, despite any good intention. You do not want to fight with the people (or the governments where it's considered illegal) for sure. I believe what Michael did is a good way (or the best way) to advertise the changes. Bye, Milan From mcrha@redhat.com Tue Sep 29 09:24:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB0E7E71E for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:24:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.785 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.785 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.687, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RBn8cuRarn5m for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [216.205.24.124]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0D843DFF3 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1601366963; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=uB8C+AQZGwuKmnexSow2yi0zZwIrgPuTUl7PASfGwPo=; b=BYflSVHk+Bww3IDP/8y8oXByL4aSVhyWitH/Hd7WkgNQrcuP2ZARfp2mmI+74PsGjokswY FFGTOOcgYVp0jWE8t6Dms0aUt0Jl+o1SZfCr75HW4EtC81+eh/azmhZ9fYlSa6DUHmjRUz Z4ok8NHH23Bx8s+OKThW7KVe5nmTvMY= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-433-mntI7DplMOaOmwsxAaKKkw-1; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 04:09:21 -0400 X-MC-Unique: mntI7DplMOaOmwsxAaKKkw-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B026E1018F7A for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.40.193.101] (unknown [10.40.193.101]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AC260DA0 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Let's improve our communication: Discourse From: Milan Crha To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:03:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Evolution 3.39.1 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.13 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=mcrha@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Desktop Development List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:24:34 -0000 On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 14:33 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > and make contributing to GNOME more attractive to newcomers. Hi, do you think the newcomers do not know how the mail works? Or it's used as an excuse to replace something working for years with something new, with new bugs, its maintenance requests and such? Just wondering. Bye, Milan From ebassi@gmail.com Tue Sep 29 10:00:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92739A02E9 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:00:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.599 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bh7NB2tSmHmj for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ej1-x629.google.com (mail-ej1-x629.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::629]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D82C6A02E8 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ej1-x629.google.com with SMTP id o8so14108120ejb.10 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 03:00:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QzXxeGZbc16y2EUFSDcvw2F+2JavdOmTdq92NaxmLao=; b=TXjuD7zJRE6g+eyGBDqy0ifJfKLvUYw61Q4oUIcLoVMa5f7bG/kw3UdnUvQ4uxHyn8 t8jyGbS64e70DSzsfq8I6+/ArO8pE7x/n9+wB7uW23VZXFmIorPCr7G+V4/+yLfGXyAH TmGMaY5rEn7DBuJsVaNZXL97D7xYu69nNrk4MangE0i08wx5JNRgt9OcLekgWT3Oh1iN C0rokBqIQqzfm7DDIBpFSxjgTn25TvnlXJRvVcxSLPPrHWC7Y2x0XERRnPlmuEpyhwaT 1ldpKAJ0lsE6ZJNkNCrdNIt88/99ezaeEeUdfJSF5VSgm50CLR6PJ7Uf9VhWN72J8KDi tZ4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QzXxeGZbc16y2EUFSDcvw2F+2JavdOmTdq92NaxmLao=; b=MteXIcF89hJKqhA7hrutVQQzwIS1IzJY5/0O4sqyZVMk7SxGDuZzFyLV99XOaX7ph7 b4NPGhAtWCL7UNNxFaxWIyDIdXnu8ShiwbRMlaZEq2JP3/MiP69kHu5kzIAyq8Tfvyb0 u2H7V3LOWZ7ZBnZu1DhZ/u4PRGsW4EK+4FSCL3DDWhcWI2+TR6YyCL8rpgMyyiFE+BIq 5gRu2uwc4n//IiGg6C3xEB4KB5uwA3J5StDeH8Jx4YWx2d1FRR9giS4cowmx/cQUnV0w w3k+15wvSX8cRlxvDxzu8+WWO9xHEwiEGunW3TFrLhZGap09NqT9c/Ddx1RG6HZNI9g3 Z5HA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532weZX9CLUNBLt5XB++ycoiDh+6F2ta1CQoUeTu7TXIm58/1w2t /GkjbeIwQybQt0kTHfNqy0Gilqyw+rbbeI/pZlWSOS1brllCAQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwbBMtIyNYAXCebVzNPkmGjW5db8GQ/RdSLYSj3YB+01b/myQJDGBsgtJB7ZseeK54K1ch8HA2c0hoUq7yCcg4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:1111:: with SMTP id qu17mr1473451ejb.273.1601373631808; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 03:00:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Emmanuele Bassi Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 11:00:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Let's improve our communication: Discourse To: Milan Crha Cc: Desktop Development List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007a081505b070da36" X-BeenThere: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Desktop Development List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:00:34 -0000 --0000000000007a081505b070da36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 10:25, Milan Crha via desktop-devel-list < desktop-devel-list@gnome.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 14:33 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > and make contributing to GNOME more attractive to newcomers. > > Hi, > do you think the newcomers do not know how the mail works? Or it's used > as an excuse to replace something working for years with something new, > with new bugs, its maintenance requests and such? Just wondering. > You're making a simple and understandable mistake, here: email is one thing, mailing lists are another. The two should not be conflated. To be more specific, mailing lists have terrible signal-to-noise ratio, and terrible moderation tools. Both issues have a definite impact on newcomers, as well as veterans of a project; the amount of people actively engaging on mailing lists in the GNOME project has been trending down over the past decade or so, compared to the early 2000s=E2=80=94and we were complaining a= bout decreased SNR even back then. For a newcomer, mailing lists are hard to search in, and hard to contribute to; for long time contributors, mailing lists are mostly noise. Discourse is an attempt at solving the issue; it's much more effective at managing signal-to-noise ratio, because on Discourse you can explicitly tag topics; split them and merge them at any point in time; re-tag and re-categorise topics; and all the history is preserved, instead of leaving trails of threads around different lists that are, effectively impossible to follow. Additionally, its moderation tools are based on a bottom-up approach, instead of having a selected list of people that have to edit the content. The longer you use Discourse (from its web UI), the more you are "trusted"; and the more you are trusted, the more access you have, and the more you're entrusted with moderating and curating the community. Topics, posts, and users can be easily flagged for moderation, and anti-spam measures are much more effective. There's also an infrastructure side of things, which cannot be discounted: large mailing lists are virtually indistinguishable from spam, in the eyes of the people who own mail servers; currently, we're operating a large set of mailing lists by asking to be whitelisted in the various anti-spam systems, but we're always one bug or one bad day away from the whole house of cards crashing down. This is not the '90s any more. Discourse is a web application that runs inside its own container; it's mostly easy to deploy, and since it's maintained, it gets updated fairly often; from a sysadmin perspective, it's well-integrated in our infrastructure. Ciao, Emmanuele. --=20 https://www.bassi.io [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] --0000000000007a081505b070da36 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 10:25, Milan Crha = via desktop-devel-list <= desktop-devel-list@gnome.org> wrote:

On Fri, 2020-09-25 a= t 14:33 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> and make contributing to GNOME more attractive to newcomers.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi,
do you think the newcomers do not know how the mail works? Or it's used=
as an excuse to replace something working for years with something new,
with new bugs, its maintenance requests and such? Just wondering.

You're making a simple and un= derstandable mistake, here: email is one thing, mailing lists are another. = The two should not be conflated.

To be more sp= ecific, mailing lists have terrible signal-to-noise ratio, and terrible mod= eration tools. Both issues have a definite impact on newcomers, as well as = veterans of a project; the amount of people actively engaging on mailing li= sts in the GNOME project has been trending down over the past decade or so,= compared to the early 2000s=E2=80=94and we were complaining about decrease= d SNR even back then. For a newcomer, mailing lists are hard to search in, = and hard to contribute to; for long time contributors, mailing lists are mo= stly noise.

Discourse is an attempt at solving= the issue; it's much more effective at managing signal-to-noise ratio,= because on Discourse you can explicitly tag topics; split them and merge t= hem at any point in time; re-tag and re-categorise topics; and all the hist= ory is preserved, instead of leaving trails of threads around different lis= ts that are, effectively impossible to follow. Additionally, its moderation= tools are based on a bottom-up approach, instead of having a selected list= of people that have to edit the content. The longer you use Discourse (fro= m its web UI), the more you are "trusted"; and the more you are t= rusted, the more access you have, and the more you're entrusted with mo= derating and curating the community. Topics, posts, and users can be easily= flagged for moderation, and anti-spam measures are much more effective.

There's also an infrastructure side of things, w= hich cannot be discounted: large mailing lists are virtually indistinguisha= ble from spam, in the eyes of the people who own mail servers; currently, w= e're operating a large set of mailing lists by asking to be whitelisted= in the various anti-spam systems, but we're always one bug or one bad = day away from the whole house of cards crashing down. This is not the '= 90s any more. Discourse is a web application that runs inside its own conta= iner; it's mostly easy to deploy, and since it's maintained, it get= s updated fairly often; from a sysadmin perspective, it's well-integrat= ed in our infrastructure.

Ciao,

=C2= =A0Emmanuele.

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