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( [88.163.116.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm8458007fge.8.2008.09.10.04.47.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C7B3BD.2050207@gnome.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:47:09 +0200 From: Dave Neary Organization: GNOME Foundation User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Marketing List , GNOME accessibility list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Dave Neary Subject: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:47:22 -0000 Hi all, Way back in July, I gave a presentation (once in English, once in French) of GNOME accessibility technologies - I thought it might be a useful "stock" presentation for that for others. Some things definitely need improvement - simple inaccuracies like talking about gnopernicus, outdated screenshots of GNOME 2.4, the photo of my brother & the family (perhaps too personal for a stock presentation), and the presentation needs a narrative - I've attached my notes from the presentation below to give you an idea, it's a good 45 minutes to 1 hour long presentation. I also have a French translation. The core goal of the presentation is to show that accessibility is important because of the people we help. It's important not because having a certain level of conformance with standards opens the door to government contracts, or as a selling point for the software, but because it helps users & developers, sometimes (like through Strongwind, Dogtail and LDTP) in unexpected ways. The presentation is too big to send to the list, so I've put it on a website - you can get it at: http://dneary.free.fr/Presentations/Digital ramps and handrails.pdf (versions in .ppt and .odp will also be there, but perhaps with missing bitmaps, etc). The general thrust of the presentation is: * We use computers with standard input & output devices - a mouse, a keyboard, a screen. * But that doesn't cover all use-cases. Blind people can't see screens. People with degenerative motor illness can't use mice or keyboards. Old people with "normal" illnesses like arthritis and vision impairments can't easily use all this stuff either. And kids (and parents holding babies ;) also have trouble with these devices which require sophisticated hand-eye co-ordination * There are other hardware inputs & outputs that can help: * Joysticks instead of mice * Drawing tablets * Braille keyboards * Audio input & output (speech synthesis, audio signals, speech recognition for commands) * A whole range of things like accelerometers, championned by the iPhone and the Wii, and in general the whole range of video game controls which make you think differently abut interracting with a computer * More specialised: eye trackers that can use eye movement and blink patterns to command * And finally, software to make things easlier * Here's where GNOME fits in * Project founded on the principle of universal access - making computer technology available to anyone, not just geeks, regardless of culture, technical or physical ability - in 3 main ways: consistent, usable, learnable user interfaces; internationalised and localised applications (chance to explain the difference between internationalised ("take out all local assumptions") and localised ("add back in all the local constraints for many cultures")); work on accessibility (a nod to Sun Microsystems and IBM, who have been long-time champions of this). The rest of the presentation is a demo of various accessibility features in GNOME. I discovered several quirks & bugs while doing the demos :-} The demos split into 2/3 parts: 1. General GNOME features which are useful to people with handicaps 2. Accessibility features available to all GNOME applications, regardless of the desktop configuration 3. Features that depend on AT-SPI being activated, and which can be considered "advanced" accessibility tools * Keyboard shortcuts: the entire GNOME desktop is available through use of only the keyboard. Remove mouse, start demo: Basics: 1. Switch applications (Alt-Tab) 2. Choose panel (Ctrl-Alt-Tab) - open a new application through panel (BUG #542325: When you open a menu while navigating with the keyboard, you cannot again navigate with the keyboard until you click somewhere with the mouse) 3. Alt- to navigate menus of an application 4. Tab, Shift-Tab to navigate through interface elements in an application (including web application) (would be nice to show navigation to toolbar, but I can't figure out how to do it) 5. Each application has a set of short-cuts - show that standard shortcuts are used across all applications to make it easier for users of a new application. * Themes 1. Show high contrast themes, and explain how they help colorblind or visually impaired users. 2. Show configurability of things like font sizes * Audio 1. Black screen represents what a blind person sees when turning on their computer. Ask the crowd: "it takes 30s to 2 mins to boot a computer - how does the user know when they can log in?" There's an audio signal emitted when GDM is ready to rock which serves that purpose. 2. Show audio events config * Sticky keys 1. Explain: You can press one key at a time, and still do Alt-F or Alt-Tab. Useful if you have a baby in your lap, or any range of physical disabilities that makes chording difficult. 2. Activate, and do Alt Tab, Ctrl S, Alt Shift Tab, etc. (NOTE: I discovered after the presentation to do something like "cycle through application windows", you need to hit Alt-Alt to get the Alt key to stay "stuck" while you tab through the windows. To unstick it, hit Alt again) * Slow keys 1. Explain: Allows you to specify a minimum time a key must be pressed to register a keypress (A11y guys: I found this to be more annoying than anything else. Can you give me a usecase where this would be useful?) 2. Demonstrate. * Bounce keys (NOTE: I didn't show or explain this): 1. Explain: Bounce keys has only the first tap of rapid repeat presses register. Useful for people with conditions such as Parkinsons who have trembling hands and poorer co-ordination 2. Demonstrate * Dasher 1. Launch the application, and give a demo (it's useful to have a sentence you know you want to write prepared) 2. Most people won't understand what they're seeing; Explain: Dasher allows you to write text by driving a pointer through the alphabet, letter sizes are bigger/smaller depending on the relative probability that they'll be next in the word you're writing, training text allows the application to set the probabilities (BUGs: Dasher on Ubuntu (and on Linux in general) appears to have a number of bugs around choosing the alphabet (application crashes), importing training texts (app crashes) and in at least Edgy Eft, writing text (app stopped after about 20 letters). Also, on Linux, I don't know how to send the text to another window.) 3. Invite someone from the audience to come up & give it a go, and while they're writing, explain the letter sizes and use cases where this is useful (eye tracker, joystick, etc.) !! From here, AT-SPI needs to be activated (it's also useful for Dasher) * Mouse Tweaks 1. Explain: Mouse Tweaks allows you to click the mouse without clicking it, or to emulate a right-button click with just the left button (yes! All you one-button Mac users can open contextual menus now without going to the keyboard!) 2. Demonstrate delay-click: Click & hold to raise a right-click contextual menu 3. Demonstrate dwell-click: Leave the mouse steady for a second, and when the pointer changes, move up, down, left, right to get single, double, right click or click & drag functionality * Orca 1. Explain: A screen reader, which hooks into several voice engines, and braille displays, and a screen magnifier 2. Demonstrate screen reader (works best when hooked into sound system): * Open pre-edited document in gedit, read it with Orca * Navigate using keyboard * Type a sentence in gedit * Read a PDF document in Evince * Navigate the web (extra brownie points if you can find a page with awful accessibility, and say "this is what the web looks like to a blind person" - no harm underlining that web accessibility is important) 3. Demonstrate Screen magnifier (very quick, turn it on, show what it does) * GNOME Onscreen keyboard 1. Sad confession: I never figured out how to use this, and so I showed screenshots. Every time I try to turn on GOK, I end up losing control of my mouse (something to do with a secondary mouse pointer not being available, so he disables my primary one) and a modal dialog comes up that I can't easily dismiss. 2. Explain that the GOK allows more than just typing letters, you can configure it to type words, menu items, adapts to the screen context (modal dialogs, file dialogs, different applications, etc) I'd love to be able to demo this on my laptop, if someone could show me how :) * Braille keypoard support - obviously I didn't demo this, but spoke about how Braille type 2 support was recently added, allowing Braille typists to chord more complex words more easily now. I hope I understood this properly :) * Convenient side effects In general, when people think about a11y features, they think about stuff useful only to people with disabilities. At the start I tried to explain that it's not just people with disabilities that benefit from things like ramps and kerbcuts, they also help people with push-chairs, shopping trollies, old people and children. Similarly, a11y features for the computer don't just help people with disabilities (in the classical sense) - high-contrast themes also help older people, sticky keys also help dads with babies (Federico Mena wrote a blog entry about this by the way, and it echos my personal experiences, which is why I keep bringing it up). Making websites accessible, for example, also makes them more useful in space-constrained environments like cellphones, which are increasingly used as web browsing devices by people without a disability. Finally, AT-SPI makes your applications GUI scriptable - allowing the creating of automated testing frameworks like Accerciser, Strongwind, LDTP and Dogtail. These applications weren't the primary motivation behind it, but a nice useful side-effect. Thanks! Questions? -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member bolsh@gnome.org From mgorse@mgorse.dhs.org Thu Sep 11 14:49:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2910D750829 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:49:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CIiXM74ste5x for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:49:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bertha.hocaustin.com (rrcs-24-153-142-67.sw.biz.rr.com [24.153.142.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B577506C6 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:31:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.185] (unknown [192.168.1.185]) by bertha.hocaustin.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 444C34BDE9 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:30:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:29:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Gorse X-X-Sender: mgorse@boston.site To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LNX 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [g-a-devel] tooltips X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:49:36 -0000 Hi all, We were wondering what should be the parent of a tooltip. I can't tell since tooltips don't show up when I try to test with gail (bug 542873). Can anyone advise? Thanks, -Mike G- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Sep 11 15:15:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D346875052A; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:15:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.652 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, TW_SV=0.077] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yil1ZYOGuraY; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:14:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE65750B7A; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:53:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m8BErCMs022217; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:53:12 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K7100E01C7NMJ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K7100FYJDBS9QE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:52:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:50:52 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48C7B3BD.2050207@gnome.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Dave Neary Message-id: <48C9304C.6070509@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48C7B3BD.2050207@gnome.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: GNOME accessibility list , GNOME Marketing List Subject: Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:15:05 -0000 Hi Dave: I think the idea of stock presentations and demos (something you proposed earlier this year) is an awesome idea. I need to ramp back up on this stuff soon as well since I will be doing a few presentations in the coming months. I'm more than willing to put my stuff under some sort of public repository somewhere. I'd prefer something that makes it really really easy for me to upload docs and also really easy obtain them. What do you think about making some sort of gnome-marketing module in GNOME svn where we could be somewhat free about uploading and grabbing things? Will PS - We also have some money left over in the GNOME Outreach Program: Accessibility budget. I was thinking about trying to create a task for someone to create a bunch of short screencast videos of the assistive technologies in action (i.e., here's theming, here's stickykeys, here's bouncekeys, here's GOK in dwell mode, here's Dasher, here's MouseTweaks, here's Orca, etc.). What do you think about that? Dave Neary wrote: > Hi all, > > Way back in July, I gave a presentation (once in English, once in > French) of GNOME accessibility technologies - I thought it might be a > useful "stock" presentation for that for others. > > Some things definitely need improvement - simple inaccuracies like > talking about gnopernicus, outdated screenshots of GNOME 2.4, the photo > of my brother & the family (perhaps too personal for a stock > presentation), and the presentation needs a narrative - I've attached my > notes from the presentation below to give you an idea, it's a good 45 > minutes to 1 hour long presentation. I also have a French translation. > > The core goal of the presentation is to show that accessibility is > important because of the people we help. It's important not because > having a certain level of conformance with standards opens the door to > government contracts, or as a selling point for the software, but > because it helps users & developers, sometimes (like through Strongwind, > Dogtail and LDTP) in unexpected ways. > > The presentation is too big to send to the list, so I've put it on a > website - you can get it at: http://dneary.free.fr/Presentations/Digital > ramps and handrails.pdf (versions in .ppt and .odp will also be there, > but perhaps with missing bitmaps, etc). > > The general thrust of the presentation is: > > * We use computers with standard input & output devices - a mouse, a > keyboard, a screen. > * But that doesn't cover all use-cases. Blind people can't see screens. > People with degenerative motor illness can't use mice or keyboards. Old > people with "normal" illnesses like arthritis and vision impairments > can't easily use all this stuff either. And kids (and parents holding > babies ;) also have trouble with these devices which require > sophisticated hand-eye co-ordination > * There are other hardware inputs & outputs that can help: > * Joysticks instead of mice > * Drawing tablets > * Braille keyboards > * Audio input & output (speech synthesis, audio signals, speech > recognition for commands) > * A whole range of things like accelerometers, championned by the > iPhone and the Wii, and in general the whole range of video game > controls which make you think differently abut interracting with a computer > * More specialised: eye trackers that can use eye movement and blink > patterns to command > * And finally, software to make things easlier > > * Here's where GNOME fits in > * Project founded on the principle of universal access - making > computer technology available to anyone, not just geeks, regardless of > culture, technical or physical ability - in 3 main ways: consistent, > usable, learnable user interfaces; internationalised and localised > applications (chance to explain the difference between internationalised > ("take out all local assumptions") and localised ("add back in all the > local constraints for many cultures")); work on accessibility (a nod to > Sun Microsystems and IBM, who have been long-time champions of this). > > The rest of the presentation is a demo of various accessibility features > in GNOME. I discovered several quirks & bugs while doing the demos :-} > > The demos split into 2/3 parts: > > 1. General GNOME features which are useful to people with handicaps > 2. Accessibility features available to all GNOME applications, > regardless of the desktop configuration > 3. Features that depend on AT-SPI being activated, and which can be > considered "advanced" accessibility tools > > > * Keyboard shortcuts: the entire GNOME desktop is available through use > of only the keyboard. Remove mouse, start demo: > > Basics: > 1. Switch applications (Alt-Tab) > 2. Choose panel (Ctrl-Alt-Tab) - open a new application through panel > (BUG #542325: When you open a menu while navigating with the keyboard, > you cannot again navigate with the keyboard until you click somewhere > with the mouse) > 3. Alt- to navigate menus of an application > 4. Tab, Shift-Tab to navigate through interface elements in an > application (including web application) (would be nice to show > navigation to toolbar, but I can't figure out how to do it) > 5. Each application has a set of short-cuts - show that standard > shortcuts are used across all applications to make it easier for users > of a new application. > > * Themes > 1. Show high contrast themes, and explain how they help colorblind or > visually impaired users. > 2. Show configurability of things like font sizes > > * Audio > 1. Black screen represents what a blind person sees when turning on > their computer. Ask the crowd: "it takes 30s to 2 mins to boot a > computer - how does the user know when they can log in?" There's an > audio signal emitted when GDM is ready to rock which serves that purpose. > 2. Show audio events config > > * Sticky keys > 1. Explain: You can press one key at a time, and still do Alt-F or > Alt-Tab. Useful if you have a baby in your lap, or any range of physical > disabilities that makes chording difficult. > 2. Activate, and do Alt Tab, Ctrl S, Alt Shift Tab, etc. > (NOTE: I discovered after the presentation to do something like > "cycle through application windows", you need to hit Alt-Alt to get the > Alt key to stay "stuck" while you tab through the windows. To unstick > it, hit Alt again) > > * Slow keys > 1. Explain: Allows you to specify a minimum time a key must be pressed > to register a keypress (A11y guys: I found this to be more annoying than > anything else. Can you give me a usecase where this would be useful?) > 2. Demonstrate. > > * Bounce keys (NOTE: I didn't show or explain this): > 1. Explain: Bounce keys has only the first tap of rapid repeat presses > register. Useful for people with conditions such as Parkinsons who have > trembling hands and poorer co-ordination > 2. Demonstrate > > * Dasher > 1. Launch the application, and give a demo (it's useful to have a > sentence you know you want to write prepared) > 2. Most people won't understand what they're seeing; Explain: Dasher > allows you to write text by driving a pointer through the alphabet, > letter sizes are bigger/smaller depending on the relative probability > that they'll be next in the word you're writing, training text allows > the application to set the probabilities > (BUGs: Dasher on Ubuntu (and on Linux in general) appears to have a > number of bugs around choosing the alphabet (application crashes), > importing training texts (app crashes) and in at least Edgy Eft, writing > text (app stopped after about 20 letters). Also, on Linux, I don't know > how to send the text to another window.) > 3. Invite someone from the audience to come up & give it a go, and > while they're writing, explain the letter sizes and use cases where this > is useful (eye tracker, joystick, etc.) > > > !! From here, AT-SPI needs to be activated (it's also useful for Dasher) > > > * Mouse Tweaks > 1. Explain: Mouse Tweaks allows you to click the mouse without > clicking it, or to emulate a right-button click with just the left > button (yes! All you one-button Mac users can open contextual menus now > without going to the keyboard!) > 2. Demonstrate delay-click: Click & hold to raise a right-click > contextual menu > 3. Demonstrate dwell-click: Leave the mouse steady for a second, and > when the pointer changes, move up, down, left, right to get single, > double, right click or click & drag functionality > > * Orca > 1. Explain: A screen reader, which hooks into several voice engines, > and braille displays, and a screen magnifier > 2. Demonstrate screen reader (works best when hooked into sound system): > * Open pre-edited document in gedit, read it with Orca > * Navigate using keyboard > * Type a sentence in gedit > * Read a PDF document in Evince > * Navigate the web (extra brownie points if you can find a page with > awful accessibility, and say "this is what the web looks like to a blind > person" - no harm underlining that web accessibility is important) > 3. Demonstrate Screen magnifier (very quick, turn it on, show what it > does) > > * GNOME Onscreen keyboard > 1. Sad confession: I never figured out how to use this, and so I > showed screenshots. Every time I try to turn on GOK, I end up losing > control of my mouse (something to do with a secondary mouse pointer not > being available, so he disables my primary one) and a modal dialog comes > up that I can't easily dismiss. > 2. Explain that the GOK allows more than just typing letters, you can > configure it to type words, menu items, adapts to the screen context > (modal dialogs, file dialogs, different applications, etc) > > I'd love to be able to demo this on my laptop, if someone could show me > how :) > > * Braille keypoard support - obviously I didn't demo this, but spoke > about how Braille type 2 support was recently added, allowing Braille > typists to chord more complex words more easily now. I hope I understood > this properly :) > > * Convenient side effects > In general, when people think about a11y features, they think about > stuff useful only to people with disabilities. At the start I tried to > explain that it's not just people with disabilities that benefit from > things like ramps and kerbcuts, they also help people with push-chairs, > shopping trollies, old people and children. > > Similarly, a11y features for the computer don't just help people with > disabilities (in the classical sense) - high-contrast themes also help > older people, sticky keys also help dads with babies (Federico Mena > wrote a blog entry about this by the way, and it echos my personal > experiences, which is why I keep bringing it up). > > Making websites accessible, for example, also makes them more useful > in space-constrained environments like cellphones, which are > increasingly used as web browsing devices by people without a disability. > > Finally, AT-SPI makes your applications GUI scriptable - allowing the > creating of automated testing frameworks like Accerciser, Strongwind, > LDTP and Dogtail. These applications weren't the primary motivation > behind it, but a nice useful side-effect. > > Thanks! Questions? > > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Sep 11 15:19:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7433D750494 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:19:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JuZKEGaP5VUI for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:19:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD847505D4 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:00:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m8BF0PQx001396 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:00:25 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K7100I01D5YLC00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K7100H14DON4H10@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:58:34 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Mike Gorse Message-id: <48C9321A.8050006@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Subject: Re: [g-a-devel] tooltips X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:20:00 -0000 Hi Mike: I added a quick call to self.printAncestry(obj) in Orca's default.py:presentTooltip method. It appears as though the tooltip is a top level object with no parent and no relations. I might have expected to see a RELATION_TOOLTIP_FOR relation, but we handle it gracefully in Orca nonetheless. Will Mike Gorse wrote: > Hi all, > > We were wondering what should be the parent of a tooltip. I can't tell > since tooltips don't show up when I try to test with gail (bug 542873). > Can anyone advise? > > Thanks, > -Mike G- > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel From nearyd@gmail.com Thu Sep 11 16:19:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665EF750163 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:19:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.948 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.296, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [88.163.116.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm11152225fgb.6.2008.09.11.09.18.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C944EC.1070601@gnome.org> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:18:52 +0200 From: Dave Neary Organization: GNOME Foundation User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Walker References: <48C7B3BD.2050207@gnome.org> <48C9304C.6070509@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48C9304C.6070509@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Dave Neary Cc: GNOME accessibility list , GNOME Marketing List Subject: Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:19:09 -0000 Hi there, Willie Walker wrote: > I think the idea of stock presentations and demos (something you > proposed earlier this year) is an awesome idea. Yup! Me too. > I need to ramp back up on this stuff soon as well since I will be doing > a few presentations in the coming months. I'm more than willing to put > my stuff under some sort of public repository somewhere. I'd prefer > something that makes it really really easy for me to upload docs and > also really easy obtain them. Me too. Right now we were using the wiki, but for presentations & screencasts, that just seems wrong. That slide sharing site and YouTube or Google Video seem like better fits. > What do you think about making some sort of gnome-marketing module in > GNOME svn where we could be somewhat free about uploading and grabbing > things? I wouldn't mind myself - I suspect that a significant minority of participants in the marketing list probably don't have svn commit access, though. > PS - We also have some money left over in the GNOME Outreach Program: > Accessibility budget. I was thinking about trying to create a task for > someone to create a bunch of short screencast videos of the assistive > technologies in action (i.e., here's theming, here's stickykeys, here's > bouncekeys, here's GOK in dwell mode, here's Dasher, here's MouseTweaks, > here's Orca, etc.). What do you think about that? I think this is a wonderful idea! And an excellent way to get some non-technical contributions. 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C= onfira j=E1! = --_16d48b21-5533-4f3e-b6b9-f22cb6bda5de_-- From mgorse@mgorse.dhs.org Mon Sep 22 15:42:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD24C7502C2 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:42:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.085 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.085 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 460 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [24.153.142.67] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xlARcSDeVdaM for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:42:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bertha.hocaustin.com (rrcs-24-153-142-67.sw.biz.rr.com [24.153.142.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79E375027A for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:42:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.185] (unknown [192.168.1.185]) by bertha.hocaustin.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4BB04BDE9 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:43:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:41:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Gorse X-X-Sender: mgorse@boston.site To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LNX 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [g-a-devel] ATK_STATE_FOCUSABLE for nonsensitive widgets X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:42:43 -0000 Hi all, Our QA team noticed that, for a non-sensitive button, gail includes ATK_STATE_FOCUSABLE, where UiaAtkBridge currently does not. Gail simply calls GTK_WIDGET_CAN_FOCUS, which checks a flag that is set true for a button when it is being constructed. Does anyone have an opinion as to whether or not this behavior is correct? I'm considering filing a bug but don't really know whether it should even be considered a bug. Thanks, -Mike G- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Sep 22 20:16:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0F375029D for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:16:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ivFQ8DZ5ch82 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:16:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB4975024C for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:16:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m8MKGLhd003216 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:16:21 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K7M001013T00H00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K7M00G335MVHE80@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:16:06 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Mike Gorse Message-id: <48D7FD06.1020909@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080725) Cc: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Subject: Re: [g-a-devel] ATK_STATE_FOCUSABLE for nonsensitive widgets X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:16:31 -0000 Ha...well...this is an area of delight and confusion, I think. There's FOCUSABLE, ENABLED, and SENSITIVE. If I understand them correctly: 1) SENSITIVE means whether it's grayed or not 2) ENABLED means that if you can interact with it, it will actually do something (versus just being a button you can tab to and press, but it does nothing) 3) FOCUSABLE means it can accept keyboard focus. As with VISIBLE and SHOWING, these can be very confusing states to understand. In any case, I guess I'd argue that if something is not SENSISTIVE, then it is not FOCUSABLE. That is, unless you can actually tab to it. Will Mike Gorse wrote: > Hi all, > > Our QA team noticed that, for a non-sensitive button, gail includes > ATK_STATE_FOCUSABLE, where UiaAtkBridge currently does not. Gail simply > calls GTK_WIDGET_CAN_FOCUS, which checks a flag that is set true for a > button when it is being constructed. Does anyone have an opinion as to > whether or not this behavior is correct? I'm considering filing a bug > but don't really know whether it should even be considered a bug. > > Thanks, > -Mike G- > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel From diego_hachmann@hotmail.com Mon Sep 29 10:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F83B75011D; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:34:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -95.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.038 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_60=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7, URIBL_PH_SURBL=1.787, URIBL_SC_SURBL=0.474, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [65.54.246.138] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uosyHcxuTLlK; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:34:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497B4750139; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:34:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BAY126-W3 ([65.55.131.38]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:34:22 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ecaab9c5-6566-4922-99d5-a4474d76b768_" X-Originating-IP: [200.138.57.163] From: Diego Hachmann To: , , , , , , , , Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:34:22 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2008 10:34:22.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFF1BC10:01C9221E] Subject: [g-a-devel] as fotos X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:34:32 -0000 --_ecaab9c5-6566-4922-99d5-a4474d76b768_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable estao ai as fotos: Imagens anexadas: DSC_4788.jpg - DSC_4789.jpg - DSC_4790= .jpg=20 _________________________________________________________________ Confira v=EDdeos com not=EDcias do NY Times=2C gols direto do Lance=2C vide= ocassetadas e muito mais no MSN Video! http://video.msn.com/?mkt=3Dpt-br= --_ecaab9c5-6566-4922-99d5-a4474d76b768_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable estao ai as fotos:

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Confir= a j=E1! = --_ecaab9c5-6566-4922-99d5-a4474d76b768_-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Sep 30 23:34:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6437500B5; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:34:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.652 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xkg4AvF5hOrU; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:34:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872AB750094; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:34:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m8UNYEuu012762; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:34:14 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K8100G0180LHW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K81009YT84VDEC0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:34:04 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48C944EC.1070601@gnome.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Dave Neary Message-id: <1222817644.9539.25.camel@wwalker-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48C7B3BD.2050207@gnome.org> <48C9304C.6070509@sun.com> <48C944EC.1070601@gnome.org> Cc: GNOME accessibility list , GNOME Marketing List Subject: Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussions and patches for at-spi, gail, and ATs" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:34:25 -0000 Hey All: Here's some quick examples of what I was thinking about for demos of the accessibility support for GNOME. The target audience currently is unfortunately only for sighted people who can hear (sorry - it's my first real experiment with recordmydesktop), and these are geared more towards the short "elevator pitch" demo that you'd give at a talk rather than intending to be a complete tutorial. http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/dwell-click.avi http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/theming.avi http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/keyboard-enhancements.avi http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/enable-a11y.avi I'm kind of proud of the creative use of the cheese application in the keyboard-enhancements video. ;-) These were just quick unscripted demos that I rattled off kind of fast, so there's definitely room for improvement. I wish, for example, I knew how to edit/splice things so I didn't have to do them in one take. Let me know what you think. If you like them, I can do more for GOK, Dasher, and Orca. I can also redo these make them a little more professional if people think these are useful. Remember, these are just for giving you an idea of what's available and not meant to be instructional videos. Will On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 18:18 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi there, > > Willie Walker wrote: > > I think the idea of stock presentations and demos (something you > > proposed earlier this year) is an awesome idea. > > Yup! Me too. > > > I need to ramp back up on this stuff soon as well since I will be doing > > a few presentations in the coming months. I'm more than willing to put > > my stuff under some sort of public repository somewhere. I'd prefer > > something that makes it really really easy for me to upload docs and > > also really easy obtain them. > > Me too. Right now we were using the wiki, but for presentations & > screencasts, that just seems wrong. That slide sharing site and YouTube > or Google Video seem like better fits. > > > What do you think about making some sort of gnome-marketing module in > > GNOME svn where we could be somewhat free about uploading and grabbing > > things? > > I wouldn't mind myself - I suspect that a significant minority of > participants in the marketing list probably don't have svn commit > access, though. > > > PS - We also have some money left over in the GNOME Outreach Program: > > Accessibility budget. I was thinking about trying to create a task for > > someone to create a bunch of short screencast videos of the assistive > > technologies in action (i.e., here's theming, here's stickykeys, here's > > bouncekeys, here's GOK in dwell mode, here's Dasher, here's MouseTweaks, > > here's Orca, etc.). What do you think about that? > > I think this is a wonderful idea! And an excellent way to get some > non-technical contributions. > > Cheers, > Dave. >