Re: Gnome menu



On 08/28/2012 04:08 AM, meg ford wrote:
Hi,

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM, meg ford <meg387 gmail com> wrote:

Here is the documentation for the keyboard shortcuts for navigating the applications icons [1], although I I think that asking a person with a physical disability to hold down ctrl and alt while tabbing is not feasible. Maybe someone else knows of a better solution.
Well, Ctrl+Alt+Tab is the one used because it was the one used at GNOME 2. Anyway, there is a work in progress effort in order to define new keyshortcuts for gnome-shell:

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/KeyboardShortcuts

I suggested them some others, like direct access to the Dash and others.

I honestly don't know that this is a case where a simpler shortcut is necessary, or if it should be considered a case where users need adapted systems. I'll ask around in the accessibility community here and see what people think, and comment there if it seems like the solution we have is not up to standards.  

I got a reply from a therapist who also works with kids with developmental and physical disabilities, and she also agreed that this could be improved. I see from the link that the proposal is to change this to tab, which would be much easier to use.

Allan Day mentioned that during GUADEC. His proposal is that when you move to the overview, one of the main region (like the top panel) would receive the focus. Then you could move between regions using tab, and move inside a container using the arrows. In order to avoid too many tabs to go to a specific regio, we could define shortcuts to move to specific regions (ie: a shortcut to move to the Dash), and maintain the Ctrl+Alt+Tab switcher as legacy (as some users are still using it). You can see the bug that tracks this and the conversation here:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681527

My only doubts right now about this proposal are:
  * Allan mentioned that one of the reasons is being consistent with Gtk. But in gtk tab doesn't move to the next container. In most cases Tab and right arrow are the same. So not sure if the user could get confused if in the shell Tab moves between containers
  * All this could help on the overview, but we would have the same issues on the "normal view", although I suppose that the same solution is proposed there (but not sure).

As I mention at the comment
It might be a good idea to propose that the shortcuts for switching between workspaces also be simple, since that is also difficult for users with physical disabilities to use.

IMHO, this is a minor problem as you can define the shortcut to switch between workspaces. I personally use Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2, etc. The problem with the region switcher is that, AFAIK, you couldn't define a custom shortcut. Probably adding the possibility to redefine the shortcut would be a good feature.

Does anyone see a reason for me to not ask for a simple shortcut for that

FWIW, what is the current (so complex) default shortcut for switching between workspaces? I thought that was Ctrl+Arrow key. Which simpler shortcut do you have in mind?


Thanks,
Meg Ford

Thanks for the link,
Meg Ford

BR



Meg Ford

[1]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, meg ford <meg387 gmail com> wrote:
The activities overview really doesn't work well for people with physical disabilities. Using the mouse to choose an application can be very tiring, and sometimes impossible for such users. Typing the name of the application is also really difficult. Looking here [1] I don't see a way to navigate the application icons using the keyboard. Maybe that has been added and the documentation hasn't been updated? 

There is a shell extension that provides a Gnome 2 style applications menu [2]. I think this should be easier to use.

Meg Ford

[2] https://extensions.gnome.org/accounts/profile/gcampax


On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dylan McCall <dylanmccall gmail com> wrote:
That's a shame about the accident. I'm glad that GNOME and Debian have
worked for you until now.

The new menus _should_ be accessible. May you please explain what
about them isn't working out? I'm sure that would help to improve the
implementation. As it is, adding a toggle between the two menu layouts
is no simple task: with this menu redesign, the idea of grouping menu
items under things like "Edit" and "View" is going to drift away, so
even if the bits were in place it would be quite difficult to change
it back (especially dynamically).

If I was to guess, the biggest problem for keyboard-accessibility is
that the menus don't open with F10, so you have to reach them with
Tab. Is that the gist of the problem? That might be something to
mandate in the HIG (and maybe add at the toolkit level), because it
_is_ quite surprising. Google Chrome, for example, is keyboard
accessible: its wrench menu can be opened with the usual mnemonics
(Alt+F or Alt+E). They forgot that F10 is the _real_ common
menu-opening shortcut, but they did try :)

If you haven't already found it, the keyboard shortcut to get the
application menu (beside Activities at the top left of the screen) is
Super+F10. You can also use the left and right arrow keys to get
anywhere else on the top bar. Do you find that one works okay?

Thanks,

Dylan


On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:29 AM, surma <surma hot ee> wrote:
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> I’ve been using debian since 27 March of 1996, before gnome everything was quite crappy, but I started using gnome 11 June 2000, and linux turned easy. Then (2004/2005) I had a terrible car accident, I got rammed, then I spent 6 months in coma, which messed up my hands, so I can’t use mouse, that’s why I prefer keyboard. Maake a place under gconf-editor where you can choose the style of menu, so people can use either classic or modern style.
>
> That’s why I can’t use mouse.
> http://www.hot.ee/surma/Surma_24.12.05.jpg
> I built this car myself … and had an accident with it.
>
> This is what was left of my car.
> http://www.hot.ee/surma/katki.jpg
> Tanel
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