From jnoreiko at yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 13:30:41 2006 From: jnoreiko at yahoo.com (Joachim Noreiko) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Gedit manual (again) Message-ID: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing lists being awkward.) I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split more top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is the title 'Usage' still accurate?) Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From gnome at nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:34:29 2006 From: gnome at nextreality.net (Brent Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 Subject: bug buddy branched In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From captain_peet at yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 13:25:45 2006 From: captain_peet at yahoo.com (Pete Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GDP volunteering Message-ID: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello! I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech writing field and am quite familiar with business writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have written material for a variety of games and am looking to expand my portfolio. At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would like some pointers as to how to get involved. It would also be easy for me to jump in and start off with some proofreading for existing or recently submitted documentation. I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I might contribute! Regards, Pete Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DonScorgie at Blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 18 11:45:13 2006 From: DonScorgie at Blueyonder.co.uk (Don Scorgie) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Subject: GDP volunteering In-Reply-To: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1150645513.10077.19.camel@Madaline> Hi Pete Glad to see you want to help out. The best bet for helping out would be to grab one of the help documents and update it ;) A lot of the docs are a bit out of date just now, so there is plenty to do. A list of what people are working on currently can be found at: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Team (Not sure how up-to-date it is though). Once you got something you want to work on, add your name to the page (and probably best contact the maintainers of the module, let them know you want to help out with the docs). If you've any questions (or if you just want to chat), you can normally find someone in #docs on irc.gimp.org. If not, you can always ask on this mailing list. Also, it's probably best to have an up-to-date version of GNOME running (2.14 is the latest stable). If you're comfortable compiling yourself, you can get the latest CVS version using jhbuild: http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildOnUbuntu Otherwise, 2.14 should be okay to work from. For various other bits of info, check out: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Join which has a few links worth checking out. Thanks Don On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 10:25 -0700, Pete Smith wrote: > Hello! > > I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome > Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech > writing field and am quite familiar with business > writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have > written material for a variety of games and am looking > to expand my portfolio. > > At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would > like some pointers as to how to get involved. It > would also be easy for me to jump in and start off > with some proofreading for existing or recently > submitted documentation. > > I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I > might contribute! > > Regards, > Pete Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list From karderio at gmail.com Sun Jun 18 13:24:04 2006 From: karderio at gmail.com (karderio) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:24:04 +0200 Subject: Re ! Message-ID: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> Re everybody ! I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 release to be precise), and although I managed to read the mailing list from time to time, I have just not had the chance to get anything done. In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from where I lived in eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I have my brand new - slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running smoothly and am back to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may have seemed to have completely vanished, Internet access permitting, I've been doing a bit of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu Wiki. In passing, I'm just going to mention that the Wikipedia has an extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both about the desktop itself and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place as any to help people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am a die hard Gentoo user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the potential to finally drag a libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me this is essential. Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, and their documentation being on par with ours, they need any help they can get ;) [2]. Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside abode, I'm raving to get my teeth into some more documentation madness. In the next few days I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole documentation situation while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. Wishing you all happy hacking, love, Karderio [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation From benoit at placenet.org Sun Jun 18 15:16:51 2006 From: benoit at placenet.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched Message-ID: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. -- Beno?t Dejean JID: TazForEver at jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= Url : http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/attachments/20060618/c1c0e816/attachment.bin From jnoreiko at yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 05:14:28 2006 From: jnoreiko at yahoo.com (Joachim Noreiko) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re ! In-Reply-To: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060619091428.14786.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Karderio! Great to see that you're back and still interested in working on documentation. Joachim --- karderio wrote: > Re everybody ! > > I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 > release to be > precise), and although I managed to read the mailing > list from time to > time, I have just not had the chance to get anything > done. > > In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from > where I lived in > eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I > have my brand new - > slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running > smoothly and am back > to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may > have seemed to have > completely vanished, Internet access permitting, > I've been doing a bit > of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu > Wiki. > > In passing, I'm just going to mention that the > Wikipedia has an > extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both > about the desktop itself > and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place > as any to help > people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am > a die hard Gentoo > user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the > potential to finally drag a > libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me > this is essential. > Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, > and their > documentation being on par with ours, they need any > help they can get ;) > [2]. > > Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside > abode, I'm raving to > get my teeth into some more documentation madness. > In the next few days > I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole > documentation situation > while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. > > Wishing you all happy hacking, > > love, Karderio > > > > [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME > - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME > > [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From psankar at novell.com Tue Jun 20 02:34:09 2006 From: psankar at novell.com (P Sankar) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:09 -0600 Subject: Request for String-freeze break In-Reply-To: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> References: <448D797E020000970000C073@kuulan.provo.novell.com> <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> Message-ID: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> Hello, > That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Sorry for the wrong string in the mail. > > Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to > the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze > approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages > shouldn't be difficult to translate. Thanks a lot. > > Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that > translators will know when to update their translations. The patch is committed to the Evolution 2.6 (gnome-2.14) branch. > > > Christian Sankar Novell, Inc. Software for the Open Enterprise? http://www.novell.com From paolo.bacchilega at libero.it Tue Jun 20 12:27:45 2006 From: paolo.bacchilega at libero.it (Paolo Bacchilega) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:45 +0200 Subject: file-roller branched Message-ID: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> Hi, the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. Regards, Paolo. From newren at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 12:53:35 2006 From: newren at gmail.com (Elijah Newren) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:35 -0600 Subject: file-roller branched In-Reply-To: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> Message-ID: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > changing bugs... Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get freeze break approval) ;-) From jorge.garcia.gonzalez@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3A53B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05937-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3183B0070 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1751935uge for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tgeS4Lo5/MYe0oQlMnQc/mWabBbpsmd869v0GSMq2Td20SiMpiwInSFEfDrDdqgoRgCuZdzRpyr7z8YOTF7KS0wdxhhgXyFAaJWfxnInM9ZWrcT1Qeq0bj0GHTy/Tu5K/+urXPtSW+51FH0AgVzKx0mAeQhe7H/a80Q/4FsLLBE= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr1239633hum; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.17.5 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:44:51 -0500 From: "jorge alberto garcia gonzalez" To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.765 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_10_20=1.351, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:08:55 -0400 Cc: Subject: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:44:53 -0000 ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file. The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody that check the translation. Thanks for l your time waste in this mail. Best regards. Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez. -- No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file  for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file.

The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish,  only i want to know if i need  some place where  send you and somebody that check the translation.


Thanks for l your time waste in this mail.

Best regards.

Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez.




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No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176-- From Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM Wed Jun 7 16:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13F3B015D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14055-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1A3B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k57KquO7011021 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J0I00G01CKJQG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM) for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([67.101.146.35]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J0I00DMHCO7QHZ2@mail-amer.sun.com> for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:52:55 -0700 From: Lynn Monsanto Sender: Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM To: docs@gnome.org Message-id: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:35:14 -0400 Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:53:00 -0000 Hi all, I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Thanks! Lynn Monsanto Sun Accessibility Team From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 12:52:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D903B035C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08013-01; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAAA3B045C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59GqPg2023697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:52:26 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: gnome-doc-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:52:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1149871945.22186.2.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.527 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.527 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Web Designers Wanted X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:52:35 -0000 I've just posted the following call for mockups to my blog: http://blogs.gnome.org/edit/shaunm/2006/06/09/0 Basically, I'm looking for talented designers to submit mockups for our help pages. I've been largely the sole designer of the layout for quite some time, and I think it'll be good to get a fresh perspective on things. Do feel free to post this anywhere you think we might get some fresh new contributors. This is a great opportunity to get non-programmers involved with Gnome. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBC33B11AA for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08941-03 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045E3B11A7 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59H7cd4025931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: jorge alberto garcia gonzalez In-Reply-To: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.451 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.451 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:07:41 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez wrote: > > Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching > a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a > configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty > module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices > information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml > file. > > The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in > spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is > disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, > only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody > that check the translation. > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten the hang of it. Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel got sick of managing spam. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FD3B1153 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09661-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC65B3B11B8 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59HFiji026969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: Lynn Monsanto In-Reply-To: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.528 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:15:50 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Hi Lynn, There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our platform offering. Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. -- Shaun From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jun 9 15:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99FF3B0209 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16438-10 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122B93B009F for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuL-0005Y6-1H; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuJ-0002Q6-TI; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:35 +0100 From: Don Scorgie To: docs@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:45:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1149882318.25215.14.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.483 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.483 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:44:48 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 12:15 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. > > Hi Lynn, > > There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 > > It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single > bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that > crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. > I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. > > As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks > as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It > checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. > I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, > although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our > platform offering. > > Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. > Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes > should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there > are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, > we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, > and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. Hi Lynn, Just to add (to save trawling through the bug report): Yelp uses gtkmozembed stream API (for the most part). The biggest problem arises because of mozilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293670 (streams don't emit a children_changed::add signal) Currently Yelp works around this by emitting the signal a few seconds after the page has loaded. It isn't a very good workaround, but its better than nothing. Apart from this problem, the reading of menus in docbook files (well, the HTML generated from docbook file) is fairly inconsistent when using gnopernicus (sorry, haven't tried Orca yet). This can be seen by opening a manual (e.g. the gnome user guide) to the front page (with the list of content) and trying to get this read by a screen reader. I don't know if Orca is affected by this, nor whether firefox / epiphany suffer from this. Don From clytie@riverland.net.au Sat Jun 10 03:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324D3B02DD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16365-03 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ash25e.internode.on.net (ash25e.internode.on.net [203.16.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9203B028B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp222-184.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.222.184]) by ash25e.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5A7aPYK064583 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13EE5709-B0CE-4A93-92D7-C3C8880E6717@riverland.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Clytie Siddall Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:25 +0930 To: GNOME Documentation X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.694 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.747, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.694 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:36:32 -0000 On 10/06/2006, at 2:37 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez =20 > wrote: >> >> Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching >> a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working =20 >> in a >> configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty >> module, before i use a coma based format file for process all =20 >> devices >> information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml >> file. >> >> The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in >> spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is >> disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to =20 >> spanish, >> only i want to know if i need some place where send you and =20 >> somebody >> that check the translation. >> > > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good > high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard > to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten > the hang of it. > > Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API > documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, > and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. > You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall > correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel > got sick of managing spam. The Gnome Spanish Translation Team might also know where there are =20 useful translated documents: it's always worth asking your local =20 language team about anything related to translation. :) http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/teams.html from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F27C3B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09180-05 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7513B0091 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1919217uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.610, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.652 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:34:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7AC3B0125 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15119-06 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEA53B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so870453wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:01:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From psankar@novell.com Mon Jun 12 04:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B843B0078; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26666-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630343B00A6; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:31 -0600 Message-Id: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:25 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.486 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.486 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Harish Krishnaswamy Subject: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:40:26 -0000 Hi, As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to review and approve this string-addition. The new string added is: Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. Please check Email Id and try again. Thanks, Sankar P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 12 07:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BE13B0061; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31499-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D43B00A7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:00:08 -0600 From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: "Sankar(P Sankar)" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:33:16 +0530 Message-Id: <1150110196.6243.39.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:00:55 -0000 Adding a few relevant details : 1. The request for the freeze break is on Evolution 2.6 branch (gnome-2-14). 2. It is already available in the trunk. Correct me if I am wrong. --Harish On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 04:39 -0400, Sankar(P Sankar) wrote: > Hi, > > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. > > Thanks, > Sankar > > P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From rosechr@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 14:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AF93B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24567-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB1F3B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2491280uge for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bVIMKy1ZP60e03bAE2lHM7MpdcsRLfvCrHZ2Jk1Jtlp+mVpVVNjiVRtif49q2icj6r75us2C9VLG69+uTeobsxh24QIC9jFGkKEaIpczX6uxj582325CW5RGfbFTPaMQ9RO99pIFh2dY/eiNnAjV94mBi4PMqhnW5DGgzENkShY= Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr14229hus; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606121118u44c662dfw8b9f5006b8e23637@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:48 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "P Sankar" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f5da27dc8f88787 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.552 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.510, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.552 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:26:56 -0000 On 6/12/06, P Sankar wrote: > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages shouldn't be difficult to translate. Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that translators will know when to update their translations. Christian From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 03:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8C13B00F5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14656-04 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.203]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AC203B00D9 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79758 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2006 07:34:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MB6117q6wJCPOP5YA7ibJy223yjcF5xJPwAyaNY/3GVBEUzR5kvSIypydXId60m2pYfLvVm80VYFTwFJYMiyQGtgc9aS8KKAPtTtoqFNWleAP6iB34dS4H+551ADT3BCRaszZmV4QUP7ihfeOniBJlJuC4VfFE/LtGJK/eU8YDE= ; Message-ID: <20060613073424.79756.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.213.90.179] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 BST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.642 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.690, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.642 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Gedit manual X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:36:28 -0000 I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split Usage into several top-level sections? Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From clytie@riverland.net.au Tue Jun 13 09:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E013B00AF for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24675-06 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F253B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp216-216.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.122.216.216]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5DDSnvI022663 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:49 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <98E034E5-146A-41FB-AC56-F75FFF9910A4@riverland.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: GNOME Documentation From: Clytie Siddall Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:48 +0930 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.943 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.489, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.943 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Typo in desktop-fdl X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:29:51 -0000 Hi guys :) I've found a typo in the desktop-fdl PO file (the GNU Free =20 Documentation Licence). How do I report it? Does this mean the original version at GNU also has this typo? ___ 1. po:55 Original: =E2=8C=980 You may extract a single document from = such a =20 collection, and dispbibute it individually under this License, =20 provided you insert a copy of this License into the extracted =20 document, and follow this License in all other respects regarding =20 verbatim copying of that document. - dispbibute + distribute ___ Thanks for any advice you can offer on this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 13:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBD83B017F for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08309-01 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FFC3B0183 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69468 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 17:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.143.24.200] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 BST Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Gedit manual (again) To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.647 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.695, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.647 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:31:43 -0000 (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing lists being awkward.) I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split more top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is the title 'Usage' still accurate?) Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From captain_peet@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 13:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026643B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24059-09 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D853B0081 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64715 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 17:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.161.216.110] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Smith Subject: GDP volunteering To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.648 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 1.648 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:56:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:26:42 -0000 Hello! I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech writing field and am quite familiar with business writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have written material for a variety of games and am looking to expand my portfolio. At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would like some pointers as to how to get involved. It would also be easy for me to jump in and start off with some proofreading for existing or recently submitted documentation. I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I might contribute! Regards, Pete Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 18 11:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8640C3B0B7A for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01065-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35783B0BC1 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSb-0008IN-Gv; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSa-0005iw-QF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:12 +0100 Subject: Re: GDP volunteering From: Don Scorgie To: Pete Smith In-Reply-To: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1150645513.10077.19.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Hi Pete Glad to see you want to help out. The best bet for helping out would be to grab one of the help documents and update it ;) A lot of the docs are a bit out of date just now, so there is plenty to do. A list of what people are working on currently can be found at: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Team (Not sure how up-to-date it is though). Once you got something you want to work on, add your name to the page (and probably best contact the maintainers of the module, let them know you want to help out with the docs). If you've any questions (or if you just want to chat), you can normally find someone in #docs on irc.gimp.org. If not, you can always ask on this mailing list. Also, it's probably best to have an up-to-date version of GNOME running (2.14 is the latest stable). If you're comfortable compiling yourself, you can get the latest CVS version using jhbuild: http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildOnUbuntu Otherwise, 2.14 should be okay to work from. For various other bits of info, check out: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Join which has a few links worth checking out. Thanks Don On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 10:25 -0700, Pete Smith wrote: > Hello! > > I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome > Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech > writing field and am quite familiar with business > writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have > written material for a variety of games and am looking > to expand my portfolio. > > At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would > like some pointers as to how to get involved. It > would also be easy for me to jump in and start off > with some proofreading for existing or recently > submitted documentation. > > I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I > might contribute! > > Regards, > Pete Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 18 13:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB473B0BAA for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05284-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D070D3B0BF7 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2239137uge for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr1001719ugm; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? 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I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 release to be precise), and although I managed to read the mailing list from time to time, I have just not had the chance to get anything done. In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from where I lived in eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I have my brand new - slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running smoothly and am back to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may have seemed to have completely vanished, Internet access permitting, I've been doing a bit of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu Wiki. In passing, I'm just going to mention that the Wikipedia has an extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both about the desktop itself and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place as any to help people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am a die hard Gentoo user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the potential to finally drag a libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me this is essential. Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, and their documentation being on par with ours, they need any help they can get ;) [2]. Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside abode, I'm raving to get my teeth into some more documentation madness. In the next few days I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole documentation situation while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. Wishing you all happy hacking, love, Karderio [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 05:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893333B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01679-08 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6092D3B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 09:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060619091428.14786.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.214.70.28] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 BST Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Re ! To: karderio@gmail.com, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.606, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.558 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:15:16 -0000 Hi Karderio! Great to see that you're back and still interested in working on documentation. Joachim --- karderio wrote: > Re everybody ! > > I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 > release to be > precise), and although I managed to read the mailing > list from time to > time, I have just not had the chance to get anything > done. > > In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from > where I lived in > eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I > have my brand new - > slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running > smoothly and am back > to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may > have seemed to have > completely vanished, Internet access permitting, > I've been doing a bit > of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu > Wiki. > > In passing, I'm just going to mention that the > Wikipedia has an > extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both > about the desktop itself > and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place > as any to help > people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am > a die hard Gentoo > user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the > potential to finally drag a > libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me > this is essential. > Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, > and their > documentation being on par with ours, they need any > help they can get ;) > [2]. > > Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside > abode, I'm raving to > get my teeth into some more documentation madness. > In the next few days > I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole > documentation situation > while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. > > Wishing you all happy hacking, > > love, Karderio > > > > [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME > - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME > > [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From psankar@novell.com Tue Jun 20 03:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3103B0DE5; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31046-08; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kuulan.provo.novell.com (kuulan.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.86]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECC13B0EFC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from provo4-MTA by kuulan.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:16 -0600 Message-Id: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:09 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break References: <448D797E020000970000C073@kuulan.provo.novell.com> <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.487 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.487 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:01:07 -0000 Hello, > That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Sorry for the wrong string in the mail. >=20 > Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to > the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze > approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages > shouldn't be difficult to translate. Thanks a lot. >=20 > Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that > translators will know when to update their translations. The patch is committed to the Evolution 2.6 (gnome-2.14) branch. >=20 >=20 > Christian Sankar Novell, Inc.=20 Software for the Open Enterprise=99 http://www.novell.com From paolo.bacchilega@libero.it Tue Jun 20 12:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39F33B01C9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29388-10; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.libero.it (smtp7.libero.it [193.70.192.90]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8D93B0EA1; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (172.16.1.8) by smtp7.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 4464C609038C90BE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:55 +0200 Received: from smtp0.libero.it ([172.16.1.204]) by localhost (asav9.libero.it [193.70.192.87]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20713-03; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [151.53.96.255] (unknown [151.53.96.255]) by smtp0.libero.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAAD3355E9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: file-roller branched From: Paolo Bacchilega To: Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation , GNOME I18N List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.691 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -0.691 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:45:03 -0000 Hi, the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. Regards, Paolo. From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 12:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682BD3B0CE7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30189-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618623B0F6D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so390348wxd for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.130.3 with SMTP id c3mr10723588wxd; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.109.14 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:35 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Scott J. Harmon" Subject: Re: file-roller branched In-Reply-To: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Paolo Bacchilega , GNOME I18N List , Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:53:44 -0000 On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > changing bugs... Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get freeze break approval) ;-) From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 21 03:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94583B0AF9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17803-09; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582E73B0E2A; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjpZ001040; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjGc003626; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hh2W014630; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:44 -0400 Subject: Re: file-roller branched From: Alexander Larsson To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1150875824.16397.66.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME I18N List , "Scott J. Harmon" , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:43:53 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:53 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > > changing bugs... > > Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are > bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or > would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get > freeze break approval) ;-) I'm slightly annoyed at this listing of rules for when you need to branch. There is also the fact that 2.14 is *stable* and fixing bugs can destabilize it as much as adding features can. If you're unsure of the stability of bugfixes its very nice to be able to commit them to a branch immediately and then move the important and stable fixes to the stable branch. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted zombie photographer who hides his scarred face behind a mask. She's a wealthy cigar-chomping fairy princess on her way to prison for a murder she didn't commit. They fight crime! From harmon@ksu.edu Tue Jun 20 12:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B223B0E2A; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29748-09; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (smtp2.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.7.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52133B05F8; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.130.11.189] (dhcp19.user.cis.ksu.edu [129.130.11.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGnCK5017430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:20 -0500 From: "Scott J. Harmon" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060601) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paolo Bacchilega Subject: Re: file-roller branched References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1551/Tue Jun 20 08:37:21 2006 on virusfilter2.cc.ksu.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:05:15 -0400 Cc: GNOME I18N List , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:49:17 -0000 Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > Hi, > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture changing bugs... > Regards, > Paolo. > Thanks, Scott. From ramon.nogueira@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C009A3B012E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF43B02A2 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so849297nzp for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.11 with SMTP id u11mr5906676nzg; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.22.63 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:25:12 +0200 From: "Ramon Nogueira" To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Wiki-style documentation editing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:26:21 -0000 Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this list's archive search page when I tried to find it: I was looking through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process just to add one line. I would think this would be a pretty common occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? Thanks, Ramon From shurik179@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288D13B072E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08982-09 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3753B04B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so369716uge for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr3651710ugj; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7825300606241736g131be052hc8d39b1b526137fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:32 -0400 From: "Alexander Kirillov" To: "Joachim Noreiko" Subject: Re: Gedit manual (again) In-Reply-To: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:37:02 -0000 As one of the template authors, I can tell you that the templates were intended for short documents - for longer ones, like gedit manual, it definitely makes sense to have more top-level sections. And yes, the templates could use some updating As for lower-case "gedit", I'd suggest using just Gedit rather than &app; in the title. Sasha On 6/16/06, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing > lists being awkward.) > > I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, > and there's a few points I'd like advice on. > > Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", > with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a > lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in > the app, on the website and so on. > Compare with > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and > Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with > which I agree). What's the solution? > > Secondly, the manual closely follows the template > that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into > Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. > The problem with this is that the Usage section is > already very big, and stands to get bigger as there > are a lot of new features since the manual was last > updated. > This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: > it's a single very long page. > Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages > (and could someone remind me how), or split more > top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is > the title 'Usage' still accurate?) > > Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to > reflect this sort of thing? > And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very > long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to > gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there > anything there I can help with? > > [1] > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html > > Joachim > > > From jorge.garcia.gonzalez@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3A53B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05937-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3183B0070 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1751935uge for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tgeS4Lo5/MYe0oQlMnQc/mWabBbpsmd869v0GSMq2Td20SiMpiwInSFEfDrDdqgoRgCuZdzRpyr7z8YOTF7KS0wdxhhgXyFAaJWfxnInM9ZWrcT1Qeq0bj0GHTy/Tu5K/+urXPtSW+51FH0AgVzKx0mAeQhe7H/a80Q/4FsLLBE= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr1239633hum; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.17.5 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:44:51 -0500 From: "jorge alberto garcia gonzalez" To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.765 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_10_20=1.351, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:08:55 -0400 Cc: Subject: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:44:53 -0000 ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file. The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody that check the translation. Thanks for l your time waste in this mail. Best regards. Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez. -- No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file  for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file.

The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish,  only i want to know if i need  some place where  send you and somebody that check the translation.


Thanks for l your time waste in this mail.

Best regards.

Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez.




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No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176-- From Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM Wed Jun 7 16:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13F3B015D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14055-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1A3B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k57KquO7011021 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J0I00G01CKJQG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM) for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([67.101.146.35]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J0I00DMHCO7QHZ2@mail-amer.sun.com> for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:52:55 -0700 From: Lynn Monsanto Sender: Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM To: docs@gnome.org Message-id: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:35:14 -0400 Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:53:00 -0000 Hi all, I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Thanks! Lynn Monsanto Sun Accessibility Team From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 12:52:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D903B035C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08013-01; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAAA3B045C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59GqPg2023697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:52:26 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: gnome-doc-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:52:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1149871945.22186.2.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.527 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.527 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Web Designers Wanted X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:52:35 -0000 I've just posted the following call for mockups to my blog: http://blogs.gnome.org/edit/shaunm/2006/06/09/0 Basically, I'm looking for talented designers to submit mockups for our help pages. I've been largely the sole designer of the layout for quite some time, and I think it'll be good to get a fresh perspective on things. Do feel free to post this anywhere you think we might get some fresh new contributors. This is a great opportunity to get non-programmers involved with Gnome. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBC33B11AA for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08941-03 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045E3B11A7 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59H7cd4025931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: jorge alberto garcia gonzalez In-Reply-To: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.451 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.451 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:07:41 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez wrote: > > Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching > a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a > configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty > module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices > information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml > file. > > The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in > spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is > disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, > only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody > that check the translation. > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten the hang of it. Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel got sick of managing spam. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FD3B1153 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09661-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC65B3B11B8 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59HFiji026969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: Lynn Monsanto In-Reply-To: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.528 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:15:50 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Hi Lynn, There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our platform offering. Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. -- Shaun From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jun 9 15:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99FF3B0209 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16438-10 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122B93B009F for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuL-0005Y6-1H; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuJ-0002Q6-TI; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:35 +0100 From: Don Scorgie To: docs@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:45:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1149882318.25215.14.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.483 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.483 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:44:48 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 12:15 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. > > Hi Lynn, > > There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 > > It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single > bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that > crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. > I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. > > As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks > as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It > checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. > I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, > although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our > platform offering. > > Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. > Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes > should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there > are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, > we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, > and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. Hi Lynn, Just to add (to save trawling through the bug report): Yelp uses gtkmozembed stream API (for the most part). The biggest problem arises because of mozilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293670 (streams don't emit a children_changed::add signal) Currently Yelp works around this by emitting the signal a few seconds after the page has loaded. It isn't a very good workaround, but its better than nothing. Apart from this problem, the reading of menus in docbook files (well, the HTML generated from docbook file) is fairly inconsistent when using gnopernicus (sorry, haven't tried Orca yet). This can be seen by opening a manual (e.g. the gnome user guide) to the front page (with the list of content) and trying to get this read by a screen reader. I don't know if Orca is affected by this, nor whether firefox / epiphany suffer from this. Don From clytie@riverland.net.au Sat Jun 10 03:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324D3B02DD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16365-03 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ash25e.internode.on.net (ash25e.internode.on.net [203.16.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9203B028B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp222-184.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.222.184]) by ash25e.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5A7aPYK064583 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13EE5709-B0CE-4A93-92D7-C3C8880E6717@riverland.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Clytie Siddall Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:25 +0930 To: GNOME Documentation X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.694 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.747, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.694 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:36:32 -0000 On 10/06/2006, at 2:37 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez =20 > wrote: >> >> Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching >> a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working =20 >> in a >> configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty >> module, before i use a coma based format file for process all =20 >> devices >> information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml >> file. >> >> The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in >> spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is >> disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to =20 >> spanish, >> only i want to know if i need some place where send you and =20 >> somebody >> that check the translation. >> > > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good > high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard > to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten > the hang of it. > > Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API > documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, > and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. > You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall > correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel > got sick of managing spam. The Gnome Spanish Translation Team might also know where there are =20 useful translated documents: it's always worth asking your local =20 language team about anything related to translation. :) http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/teams.html from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F27C3B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09180-05 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7513B0091 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1919217uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.610, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.652 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:34:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7AC3B0125 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15119-06 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEA53B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so870453wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:01:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From psankar@novell.com Mon Jun 12 04:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B843B0078; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26666-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630343B00A6; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:31 -0600 Message-Id: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:25 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.486 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.486 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Harish Krishnaswamy Subject: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:40:26 -0000 Hi, As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to review and approve this string-addition. The new string added is: Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. Please check Email Id and try again. Thanks, Sankar P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 12 07:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BE13B0061; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31499-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D43B00A7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:00:08 -0600 From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: "Sankar(P Sankar)" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:33:16 +0530 Message-Id: <1150110196.6243.39.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:00:55 -0000 Adding a few relevant details : 1. The request for the freeze break is on Evolution 2.6 branch (gnome-2-14). 2. It is already available in the trunk. Correct me if I am wrong. --Harish On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 04:39 -0400, Sankar(P Sankar) wrote: > Hi, > > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. > > Thanks, > Sankar > > P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From rosechr@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 14:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AF93B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24567-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB1F3B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2491280uge for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bVIMKy1ZP60e03bAE2lHM7MpdcsRLfvCrHZ2Jk1Jtlp+mVpVVNjiVRtif49q2icj6r75us2C9VLG69+uTeobsxh24QIC9jFGkKEaIpczX6uxj582325CW5RGfbFTPaMQ9RO99pIFh2dY/eiNnAjV94mBi4PMqhnW5DGgzENkShY= Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr14229hus; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606121118u44c662dfw8b9f5006b8e23637@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:48 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "P Sankar" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f5da27dc8f88787 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.552 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.510, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.552 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:26:56 -0000 On 6/12/06, P Sankar wrote: > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages shouldn't be difficult to translate. Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that translators will know when to update their translations. Christian From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 03:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8C13B00F5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14656-04 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.203]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AC203B00D9 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79758 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2006 07:34:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MB6117q6wJCPOP5YA7ibJy223yjcF5xJPwAyaNY/3GVBEUzR5kvSIypydXId60m2pYfLvVm80VYFTwFJYMiyQGtgc9aS8KKAPtTtoqFNWleAP6iB34dS4H+551ADT3BCRaszZmV4QUP7ihfeOniBJlJuC4VfFE/LtGJK/eU8YDE= ; Message-ID: <20060613073424.79756.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.213.90.179] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 BST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.642 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.690, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.642 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Gedit manual X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:36:28 -0000 I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split Usage into several top-level sections? Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From clytie@riverland.net.au Tue Jun 13 09:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E013B00AF for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24675-06 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F253B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp216-216.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.122.216.216]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5DDSnvI022663 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:49 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <98E034E5-146A-41FB-AC56-F75FFF9910A4@riverland.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: GNOME Documentation From: Clytie Siddall Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:48 +0930 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.943 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.489, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.943 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Typo in desktop-fdl X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:29:51 -0000 Hi guys :) I've found a typo in the desktop-fdl PO file (the GNU Free =20 Documentation Licence). How do I report it? Does this mean the original version at GNU also has this typo? ___ 1. po:55 Original: =E2=8C=980 You may extract a single document from = such a =20 collection, and dispbibute it individually under this License, =20 provided you insert a copy of this License into the extracted =20 document, and follow this License in all other respects regarding =20 verbatim copying of that document. - dispbibute + distribute ___ Thanks for any advice you can offer on this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 13:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBD83B017F for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08309-01 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FFC3B0183 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69468 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 17:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.143.24.200] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 BST Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Gedit manual (again) To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.647 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.695, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.647 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:31:43 -0000 (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing lists being awkward.) I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split more top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is the title 'Usage' still accurate?) Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From captain_peet@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 13:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026643B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24059-09 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D853B0081 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64715 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 17:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.161.216.110] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Smith Subject: GDP volunteering To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.648 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 1.648 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:56:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:26:42 -0000 Hello! I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech writing field and am quite familiar with business writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have written material for a variety of games and am looking to expand my portfolio. At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would like some pointers as to how to get involved. It would also be easy for me to jump in and start off with some proofreading for existing or recently submitted documentation. I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I might contribute! Regards, Pete Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 18 11:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8640C3B0B7A for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01065-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35783B0BC1 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSb-0008IN-Gv; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSa-0005iw-QF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:12 +0100 Subject: Re: GDP volunteering From: Don Scorgie To: Pete Smith In-Reply-To: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1150645513.10077.19.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Hi Pete Glad to see you want to help out. The best bet for helping out would be to grab one of the help documents and update it ;) A lot of the docs are a bit out of date just now, so there is plenty to do. A list of what people are working on currently can be found at: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Team (Not sure how up-to-date it is though). Once you got something you want to work on, add your name to the page (and probably best contact the maintainers of the module, let them know you want to help out with the docs). If you've any questions (or if you just want to chat), you can normally find someone in #docs on irc.gimp.org. If not, you can always ask on this mailing list. Also, it's probably best to have an up-to-date version of GNOME running (2.14 is the latest stable). If you're comfortable compiling yourself, you can get the latest CVS version using jhbuild: http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildOnUbuntu Otherwise, 2.14 should be okay to work from. For various other bits of info, check out: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Join which has a few links worth checking out. Thanks Don On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 10:25 -0700, Pete Smith wrote: > Hello! > > I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome > Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech > writing field and am quite familiar with business > writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have > written material for a variety of games and am looking > to expand my portfolio. > > At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would > like some pointers as to how to get involved. It > would also be easy for me to jump in and start off > with some proofreading for existing or recently > submitted documentation. > > I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I > might contribute! > > Regards, > Pete Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 18 13:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB473B0BAA for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05284-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D070D3B0BF7 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2239137uge for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr1001719ugm; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [83.179.129.70]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y1sm1347433uge.2006.06.18.10.24.09; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re ! From: karderio To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:24:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:25:31 -0000 Re everybody ! I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 release to be precise), and although I managed to read the mailing list from time to time, I have just not had the chance to get anything done. In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from where I lived in eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I have my brand new - slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running smoothly and am back to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may have seemed to have completely vanished, Internet access permitting, I've been doing a bit of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu Wiki. In passing, I'm just going to mention that the Wikipedia has an extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both about the desktop itself and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place as any to help people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am a die hard Gentoo user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the potential to finally drag a libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me this is essential. Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, and their documentation being on par with ours, they need any help they can get ;) [2]. Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside abode, I'm raving to get my teeth into some more documentation madness. In the next few days I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole documentation situation while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. Wishing you all happy hacking, love, Karderio [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 05:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893333B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01679-08 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6092D3B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 09:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060619091428.14786.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.214.70.28] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 BST Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Re ! To: karderio@gmail.com, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.606, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.558 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:15:16 -0000 Hi Karderio! Great to see that you're back and still interested in working on documentation. Joachim --- karderio wrote: > Re everybody ! > > I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 > release to be > precise), and although I managed to read the mailing > list from time to > time, I have just not had the chance to get anything > done. > > In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from > where I lived in > eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I > have my brand new - > slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running > smoothly and am back > to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may > have seemed to have > completely vanished, Internet access permitting, > I've been doing a bit > of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu > Wiki. > > In passing, I'm just going to mention that the > Wikipedia has an > extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both > about the desktop itself > and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place > as any to help > people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am > a die hard Gentoo > user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the > potential to finally drag a > libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me > this is essential. > Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, > and their > documentation being on par with ours, they need any > help they can get ;) > [2]. > > Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside > abode, I'm raving to > get my teeth into some more documentation madness. > In the next few days > I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole > documentation situation > while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. > > Wishing you all happy hacking, > > love, Karderio > > > > [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME > - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME > > [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From psankar@novell.com Tue Jun 20 03:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3103B0DE5; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31046-08; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kuulan.provo.novell.com (kuulan.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.86]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECC13B0EFC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from provo4-MTA by kuulan.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:16 -0600 Message-Id: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:09 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break References: <448D797E020000970000C073@kuulan.provo.novell.com> <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.487 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.487 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:01:07 -0000 Hello, > That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Sorry for the wrong string in the mail. >=20 > Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to > the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze > approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages > shouldn't be difficult to translate. Thanks a lot. >=20 > Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that > translators will know when to update their translations. The patch is committed to the Evolution 2.6 (gnome-2.14) branch. >=20 >=20 > Christian Sankar Novell, Inc.=20 Software for the Open Enterprise=99 http://www.novell.com From paolo.bacchilega@libero.it Tue Jun 20 12:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39F33B01C9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29388-10; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.libero.it (smtp7.libero.it [193.70.192.90]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8D93B0EA1; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (172.16.1.8) by smtp7.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 4464C609038C90BE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:55 +0200 Received: from smtp0.libero.it ([172.16.1.204]) by localhost (asav9.libero.it [193.70.192.87]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20713-03; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [151.53.96.255] (unknown [151.53.96.255]) by smtp0.libero.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAAD3355E9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: file-roller branched From: Paolo Bacchilega To: Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation , GNOME I18N List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.691 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -0.691 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:45:03 -0000 Hi, the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. Regards, Paolo. From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 12:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682BD3B0CE7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30189-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618623B0F6D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so390348wxd for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.130.3 with SMTP id c3mr10723588wxd; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.109.14 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:35 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Scott J. Harmon" Subject: Re: file-roller branched In-Reply-To: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Paolo Bacchilega , GNOME I18N List , Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:53:44 -0000 On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > changing bugs... Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get freeze break approval) ;-) From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 21 03:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94583B0AF9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17803-09; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582E73B0E2A; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjpZ001040; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjGc003626; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hh2W014630; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:44 -0400 Subject: Re: file-roller branched From: Alexander Larsson To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1150875824.16397.66.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME I18N List , "Scott J. Harmon" , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:43:53 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:53 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > > changing bugs... > > Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are > bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or > would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get > freeze break approval) ;-) I'm slightly annoyed at this listing of rules for when you need to branch. There is also the fact that 2.14 is *stable* and fixing bugs can destabilize it as much as adding features can. If you're unsure of the stability of bugfixes its very nice to be able to commit them to a branch immediately and then move the important and stable fixes to the stable branch. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted zombie photographer who hides his scarred face behind a mask. She's a wealthy cigar-chomping fairy princess on her way to prison for a murder she didn't commit. They fight crime! From harmon@ksu.edu Tue Jun 20 12:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B223B0E2A; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29748-09; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (smtp2.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.7.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52133B05F8; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.130.11.189] (dhcp19.user.cis.ksu.edu [129.130.11.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGnCK5017430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:20 -0500 From: "Scott J. Harmon" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060601) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paolo Bacchilega Subject: Re: file-roller branched References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1551/Tue Jun 20 08:37:21 2006 on virusfilter2.cc.ksu.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:05:15 -0400 Cc: GNOME I18N List , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:49:17 -0000 Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > Hi, > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture changing bugs... > Regards, > Paolo. > Thanks, Scott. From ramon.nogueira@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C009A3B012E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF43B02A2 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so849297nzp for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.11 with SMTP id u11mr5906676nzg; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.22.63 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:25:12 +0200 From: "Ramon Nogueira" To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Wiki-style documentation editing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:26:21 -0000 Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this list's archive search page when I tried to find it: I was looking through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process just to add one line. I would think this would be a pretty common occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? Thanks, Ramon From shurik179@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288D13B072E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08982-09 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3753B04B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so369716uge for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr3651710ugj; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7825300606241736g131be052hc8d39b1b526137fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:32 -0400 From: "Alexander Kirillov" To: "Joachim Noreiko" Subject: Re: Gedit manual (again) In-Reply-To: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:37:02 -0000 As one of the template authors, I can tell you that the templates were intended for short documents - for longer ones, like gedit manual, it definitely makes sense to have more top-level sections. And yes, the templates could use some updating As for lower-case "gedit", I'd suggest using just Gedit rather than &app; in the title. Sasha On 6/16/06, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing > lists being awkward.) > > I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, > and there's a few points I'd like advice on. > > Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", > with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a > lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in > the app, on the website and so on. > Compare with > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and > Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with > which I agree). What's the solution? > > Secondly, the manual closely follows the template > that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into > Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. > The problem with this is that the Usage section is > already very big, and stands to get bigger as there > are a lot of new features since the manual was last > updated. > This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: > it's a single very long page. > Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages > (and could someone remind me how), or split more > top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is > the title 'Usage' still accurate?) > > Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to > reflect this sort of thing? > And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very > long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to > gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there > anything there I can help with? > > [1] > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html > > Joachim > > > From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 25 08:59:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA4B3B009A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14431-03 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE403B0097 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so474028uge for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr4019953ugl; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [80.170.71.158]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm2864787uge.2006.06.25.05.59.11; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Ramon Nogueira In-Reply-To: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:59:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:59:52 -0000 Hi Ramon, > Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this > list's archive search page when I tried to find it It seems to be back up, I'm happy now :) > I was looking > through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I > wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this > list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to > know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a > disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something > useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process > just to add one line. No, I don't think you need to do all that. Just send the problem and proposed solution to this mailing list, if nobody can fix it straight away, at least it should get into the next update. Sorry about the out of date and not very useful information on the website, I believe there are people working on this... > I would think this would be a pretty common > occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good > thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? It would be nice if more people proposed corrections to the docs, unfortunately this doesn't seem to happen very often - the advice on the website may not help. Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all documentation. Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to propose your modifications... Love, Karderio From gnome-gnome-doc-list@m.gmane.org Mon Jun 26 03:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD9C3B00A0 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28104-09 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92913B00C9 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ful9o-0002JT-Ks for gnome-doc-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com ([81.178.87.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from mdke by 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org From: Matthew East Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:05:09 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060615 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:05:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * karderio: > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > documentation. > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > propose your modifications... Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEn4cltSaF0w5rBv8RAtMbAJ0SQPbWAlK/4sJEX4hAJMPijiTAtQCfZPtz CC0x3SJ3+/Ac3dLVmyPGuPA= =JxIC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 05:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592723B01AE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06360-02 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81C453B0217 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64937 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2006 09:32:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060626093227.64935.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.212.174.12] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 BST Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing To: Matthew East , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.681 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.729, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.681 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:32:31 -0000 --- Matthew East wrote: > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki > all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Interesting project. It's often occurred to me that there are a number of shortcuts that could be taken to turn wiki-type text into DocBook. For example, if we agree that a menu command is always introduced with the word 'choose' (which I think is what the style guide recommends anyway), then the parser can pick up on this. You'd write in the wiki: Choose File -> Open... and the parser would figure out to wrap all that up in all the many docbook tags (guimenu, guimenu item, etc) I was going to add this and other ideas to the wiki you've linked to but it requires a login. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From karderio@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 13:03:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EBB3B046C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02078-04 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3888F3B021C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so926969uge for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr5179337ugg; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [213.103.239.98]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1sm5133774ugf.2006.06.26.10.03.24; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Matthew East In-Reply-To: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:03:29 +0200 Message-Id: <1151341409.22086.21.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:03:29 -0000 Hi, > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject This would be fabulostupefedous ! I believe this sort of software would not only make all of our lives easier here at the GDP, but also encourage new contributors. I think this is definitely the way to go. I'm afraid I'm not optimistic enough to say that this might be "soon" though ;) Even if there was actually some software available that could just be installed and configured (MoinDocBookProject hasn't yet released anything, as far as I can see), these things are out of the scope of the GDP, and seem to take forever. Not to criticise whoever is working on the GNOME website that is, they probably need volunteers as much as we do (I'm currently trying to GNOMEify the look of live.gnome.org, with varying degrees of success). There is another online docbook collaborative editor, that has been mentionned here before and lives in GNOME CVS - http://live.gnome.org/LiveDocumentationEditing. I stumbled on another on the web - http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/. However neither of these seem actively maintained... So although it would be great to have this functionality, I don't see it being up for next week. However I think it shouldn't take a few hours to through the current documentation on the wiki, something we have complete control over and can do at the current time. If we decide to do this, perhaps I could hack up a script to pull the docs from cvs, index them and dump to the wiki, and another script to spit out the diffs. Btw Matt, I saw the documentation from the Ubuntu wiki had been put on the main Ubuntu website as "community docs", I find this *way cool*. Perhaps we could do the same thing for GNOME ? Love, Karderio. On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 08:05 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > * karderio: > > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > > documentation. > > > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > > propose your modifications... > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject > > Matt From gnome@nextreality.net Thu Jun 29 22:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875E93B0105; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20969-10; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3771B3B000D; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 4344E35904; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906DF35901; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44A48E2C.70506@nextreality.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:36:28 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Documentation , Shaun McCance , Don Scorgie Subject: yelp:cache implementation Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050509030100040606000000" X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the first rough pass at an implementation of a yelp:cache extension element. Shaun and I discussed this on IRC and basically the premise is that if a template depends solely on a xsl:param element that is passed to it, then we can cache the results of that template and if it is called again with the same parameter, then we look up the result in a hash table instead of performing all the XSLT again. A prime example of this is the db.number template. This template is responsible for calculating the numbers for a particular docbook section, and takes up quite a bit of processing time for docbook files with many sections and deep nesting. Since the same node is passed to the function often, a considerable amount of time is wasted recalculating something we've already done before. In comes the extension element. Yelp's db2html.xsl template now has the following (overriding the original version of this template in db-label.xsl) You can see that two attributes are required for the element. The key is unique value per template and is used in generating the key for the hash table lookup. The other required attribute is node, which right now must be a nodeset with a single node. The xmlNodePtr to this single node makes up the other part of the hash key. On the first call to the db.number template with a particular node, the extension element function will not find a value in the hash table. Therefore, it will apply the child elements of the yelp:cache element, and put the result in the hash table. On the second call with the same node, the extension element function finds the value in the hash table, and instantiates it in the result tree. So enough blabbing, here are the results before and after for the Gnumeric manual, which takes the longest time to process (by far). BEFORE: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:31:59]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:32:52]: leaving xslt_pager_process AFTER: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:30:10]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:30:35]: leaving xslt_pager_process Pretty dramatic!! Shaun had some concerns about localization, but I don't think this should affect it since the extension element function caches the actual result of the db.number.mode template. That is unless the result of db.number.mode is dependent on the depth of numbering as well as the $node parameter... Let me know your thoughts! -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="yelp-cache.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="yelp-cache.patch" ? data/info.xml ? m4/intltool.m4 ? po/stamp-it ? src/client-bindings.h ? src/server-bindings.h ? src/stylesheet Index: src/yelp-debug.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-debug.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.2 yelp-debug.c --- src/yelp-debug.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.2 +++ src/yelp-debug.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:19 -0000 @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include "yelp-debug.h" @@ -160,7 +161,16 @@ void yelp_debug (const gchar *file, } if (flags & DB_PROFILE) { + time_t t; + struct tm *tmp; + gchar timestamp[20]; + + t = time (NULL); + tmp = localtime(&t); + + strftime (timestamp, 20, "%T", tmp); formatted = g_strdup_vprintf (format, args); + g_fprintf (stdout, "PROFILE [%s]: %s\n", timestamp, formatted); str = g_strdup_printf ("MARK: %s: %s", g_get_prgname(), formatted); access (str, F_OK); g_free (formatted); Index: src/yelp-xslt-pager.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-xslt-pager.c,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -p -r1.17 yelp-xslt-pager.c --- src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.17 +++ src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -162,6 +162,7 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) GError *error = NULL; debug_print (DB_FUNCTION, "entering\n"); + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "entering %s", __FUNCTION__); g_return_val_if_fail (pager != NULL, FALSE); g_return_val_if_fail (YELP_IS_XSLT_PAGER (pager), FALSE); @@ -276,6 +277,8 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) } g_object_unref (pager); + + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "leaving %s", __FUNCTION__); return FALSE; } @@ -459,9 +462,113 @@ xslt_yelp_cache (xsltTransformContextPtr xmlNodePtr inst, xsltStylePreCompPtr comp) { + static GHashTable *keyhash; /* hash table of hash tables :-) */ + xmlXPathObjectPtr nodeexpr; + xsltStylesheetPtr style = NULL; + xmlNodePtr nodeptr; + xmlChar *keyprop; + xmlChar *nodeprop; + const char *old_outfile; + xmlDocPtr old_output; + xmlNodePtr old_insert; + xmlDocPtr new_doc = NULL; + xmlChar *page_buf; + gint buf_size; + gchar *key; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode2; + + if (!ctxt || !node || !inst || !comp) + return; + + keyprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "key"); + if (!keyprop) + return; + + nodeprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "node"); + if (!nodeprop) { + xmlFree (keyprop); + return; + } + + nodeexpr = xmlXPathEvalExpression (nodeprop, ctxt->xpathCtxt); + if (!nodeexpr) + goto done; + + /* if we haven't initialize the hash yet, do so */ + if (!keyhash) + keyhash = g_hash_table_new_full (g_str_hash, g_str_equal, g_free, xmlFree); + + if (nodeexpr->type != XPATH_NODESET) { + debug_print (DB_WARN, "node attribute did not evaluate to a nodeset\n"); + goto done; + } + + nodeptr = nodeexpr->nodesetval->nodeTab[0]; + /*g_print ("key=%s node=%s type=%d ptr=%p\n", (gchar *)keyprop, (gchar *)nodeprop, nodeexpr->type, nodeptr);*/ + + key = g_strdup_printf ("%s%p", keyprop, nodeptr); + tmpnode = g_hash_table_lookup (keyhash, key); + + if (tmpnode) { +/* g_print ("found cached result\n");*/ + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + g_free (key); + goto done; + } + + old_outfile = ctxt->outputFile; + old_output = ctxt->output; + old_insert = ctxt->insert; + ctxt->outputFile = "test"; + + style = xsltNewStylesheet (); + if (style == NULL) { + xsltTransformError (ctxt, NULL, inst, _("Out of memory")); + } + + style->omitXmlDeclaration = TRUE; + + new_doc = xmlNewDoc (BAD_CAST "1.0"); + new_doc->charset = XML_CHAR_ENCODING_UTF8; + new_doc->dict = ctxt->dict; + xmlDictReference (new_doc->dict); + + ctxt->output = new_doc; + ctxt->insert = (xmlNodePtr) new_doc; + xsltApplyOneTemplate (ctxt, node, inst->children, NULL, NULL); + + /*xsltSaveResultToString (&page_buf, &buf_size, new_doc, style); + + g_print ("page_buf = %s\n", page_buf);*/ + + ctxt->outputFile = old_outfile; + ctxt->output = old_output; + ctxt->insert = old_insert; + + /*for (tmpnode = new_doc->children; tmpnode != NULL; tmpnode = tmpnode->next) { + g_print ("type=%d name=%s\n", tmpnode->type, tmpnode->name); + }*/ + + tmpnode = xmlCopyNode (new_doc->children, 1); + g_hash_table_insert (keyhash, key, tmpnode); + + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + + /*g_print ("cached result\n");*/ while (gtk_events_pending ()) gtk_main_iteration (); /* FIXME : check for cancel */ + +done: + xmlFree (keyprop); + xmlFree (nodeprop); + if (new_doc) + xmlFreeDoc (new_doc); + if (style) + xsltFreeStylesheet (style); } Index: stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in,v retrieving revision 1.19 diff -u -p -r1.19 db2html.xsl.in --- stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 19 May 2005 22:41:16 -0000 1.19 +++ stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -58,6 +58,13 @@ + + + + + + + --------------050509030100040606000000-- From jorge.garcia.gonzalez@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3A53B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05937-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3183B0070 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1751935uge for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tgeS4Lo5/MYe0oQlMnQc/mWabBbpsmd869v0GSMq2Td20SiMpiwInSFEfDrDdqgoRgCuZdzRpyr7z8YOTF7KS0wdxhhgXyFAaJWfxnInM9ZWrcT1Qeq0bj0GHTy/Tu5K/+urXPtSW+51FH0AgVzKx0mAeQhe7H/a80Q/4FsLLBE= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr1239633hum; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.17.5 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:44:51 -0500 From: "jorge alberto garcia gonzalez" To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.765 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_10_20=1.351, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:08:55 -0400 Cc: Subject: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:44:53 -0000 ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file. The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody that check the translation. Thanks for l your time waste in this mail. Best regards. Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez. -- No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file  for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file.

The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish,  only i want to know if i need  some place where  send you and somebody that check the translation.


Thanks for l your time waste in this mail.

Best regards.

Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez.




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No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176-- From Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM Wed Jun 7 16:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13F3B015D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14055-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1A3B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k57KquO7011021 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J0I00G01CKJQG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM) for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([67.101.146.35]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J0I00DMHCO7QHZ2@mail-amer.sun.com> for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:52:55 -0700 From: Lynn Monsanto Sender: Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM To: docs@gnome.org Message-id: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:35:14 -0400 Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:53:00 -0000 Hi all, I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Thanks! Lynn Monsanto Sun Accessibility Team From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 12:52:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D903B035C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08013-01; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAAA3B045C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59GqPg2023697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:52:26 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: gnome-doc-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:52:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1149871945.22186.2.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.527 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.527 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Web Designers Wanted X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:52:35 -0000 I've just posted the following call for mockups to my blog: http://blogs.gnome.org/edit/shaunm/2006/06/09/0 Basically, I'm looking for talented designers to submit mockups for our help pages. I've been largely the sole designer of the layout for quite some time, and I think it'll be good to get a fresh perspective on things. Do feel free to post this anywhere you think we might get some fresh new contributors. This is a great opportunity to get non-programmers involved with Gnome. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBC33B11AA for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08941-03 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045E3B11A7 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59H7cd4025931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: jorge alberto garcia gonzalez In-Reply-To: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.451 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.451 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:07:41 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez wrote: > > Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching > a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a > configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty > module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices > information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml > file. > > The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in > spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is > disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, > only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody > that check the translation. > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten the hang of it. Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel got sick of managing spam. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FD3B1153 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09661-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC65B3B11B8 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59HFiji026969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: Lynn Monsanto In-Reply-To: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.528 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:15:50 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Hi Lynn, There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our platform offering. Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. -- Shaun From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jun 9 15:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99FF3B0209 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16438-10 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122B93B009F for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuL-0005Y6-1H; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuJ-0002Q6-TI; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:35 +0100 From: Don Scorgie To: docs@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:45:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1149882318.25215.14.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.483 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.483 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:44:48 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 12:15 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. > > Hi Lynn, > > There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 > > It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single > bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that > crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. > I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. > > As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks > as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It > checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. > I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, > although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our > platform offering. > > Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. > Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes > should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there > are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, > we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, > and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. Hi Lynn, Just to add (to save trawling through the bug report): Yelp uses gtkmozembed stream API (for the most part). The biggest problem arises because of mozilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293670 (streams don't emit a children_changed::add signal) Currently Yelp works around this by emitting the signal a few seconds after the page has loaded. It isn't a very good workaround, but its better than nothing. Apart from this problem, the reading of menus in docbook files (well, the HTML generated from docbook file) is fairly inconsistent when using gnopernicus (sorry, haven't tried Orca yet). This can be seen by opening a manual (e.g. the gnome user guide) to the front page (with the list of content) and trying to get this read by a screen reader. I don't know if Orca is affected by this, nor whether firefox / epiphany suffer from this. Don From clytie@riverland.net.au Sat Jun 10 03:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324D3B02DD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16365-03 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ash25e.internode.on.net (ash25e.internode.on.net [203.16.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9203B028B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp222-184.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.222.184]) by ash25e.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5A7aPYK064583 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13EE5709-B0CE-4A93-92D7-C3C8880E6717@riverland.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Clytie Siddall Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:25 +0930 To: GNOME Documentation X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.694 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.747, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.694 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:36:32 -0000 On 10/06/2006, at 2:37 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez =20 > wrote: >> >> Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching >> a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working =20 >> in a >> configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty >> module, before i use a coma based format file for process all =20 >> devices >> information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml >> file. >> >> The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in >> spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is >> disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to =20 >> spanish, >> only i want to know if i need some place where send you and =20 >> somebody >> that check the translation. >> > > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good > high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard > to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten > the hang of it. > > Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API > documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, > and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. > You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall > correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel > got sick of managing spam. The Gnome Spanish Translation Team might also know where there are =20 useful translated documents: it's always worth asking your local =20 language team about anything related to translation. :) http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/teams.html from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F27C3B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09180-05 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7513B0091 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1919217uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.610, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.652 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:34:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7AC3B0125 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15119-06 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEA53B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so870453wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:01:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From psankar@novell.com Mon Jun 12 04:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B843B0078; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26666-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630343B00A6; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:31 -0600 Message-Id: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:25 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.486 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.486 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Harish Krishnaswamy Subject: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:40:26 -0000 Hi, As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to review and approve this string-addition. The new string added is: Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. Please check Email Id and try again. Thanks, Sankar P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 12 07:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BE13B0061; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31499-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D43B00A7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:00:08 -0600 From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: "Sankar(P Sankar)" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:33:16 +0530 Message-Id: <1150110196.6243.39.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:00:55 -0000 Adding a few relevant details : 1. The request for the freeze break is on Evolution 2.6 branch (gnome-2-14). 2. It is already available in the trunk. Correct me if I am wrong. --Harish On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 04:39 -0400, Sankar(P Sankar) wrote: > Hi, > > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. > > Thanks, > Sankar > > P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From rosechr@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 14:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AF93B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24567-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB1F3B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2491280uge for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bVIMKy1ZP60e03bAE2lHM7MpdcsRLfvCrHZ2Jk1Jtlp+mVpVVNjiVRtif49q2icj6r75us2C9VLG69+uTeobsxh24QIC9jFGkKEaIpczX6uxj582325CW5RGfbFTPaMQ9RO99pIFh2dY/eiNnAjV94mBi4PMqhnW5DGgzENkShY= Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr14229hus; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606121118u44c662dfw8b9f5006b8e23637@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:48 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "P Sankar" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f5da27dc8f88787 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.552 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.510, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.552 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:26:56 -0000 On 6/12/06, P Sankar wrote: > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages shouldn't be difficult to translate. Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that translators will know when to update their translations. Christian From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 03:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8C13B00F5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14656-04 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.203]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AC203B00D9 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79758 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2006 07:34:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MB6117q6wJCPOP5YA7ibJy223yjcF5xJPwAyaNY/3GVBEUzR5kvSIypydXId60m2pYfLvVm80VYFTwFJYMiyQGtgc9aS8KKAPtTtoqFNWleAP6iB34dS4H+551ADT3BCRaszZmV4QUP7ihfeOniBJlJuC4VfFE/LtGJK/eU8YDE= ; Message-ID: <20060613073424.79756.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.213.90.179] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 BST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.642 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.690, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.642 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Gedit manual X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:36:28 -0000 I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split Usage into several top-level sections? Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From clytie@riverland.net.au Tue Jun 13 09:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E013B00AF for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24675-06 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F253B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp216-216.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.122.216.216]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5DDSnvI022663 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:49 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <98E034E5-146A-41FB-AC56-F75FFF9910A4@riverland.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: GNOME Documentation From: Clytie Siddall Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:48 +0930 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.943 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.489, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.943 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Typo in desktop-fdl X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:29:51 -0000 Hi guys :) I've found a typo in the desktop-fdl PO file (the GNU Free =20 Documentation Licence). How do I report it? Does this mean the original version at GNU also has this typo? ___ 1. po:55 Original: =E2=8C=980 You may extract a single document from = such a =20 collection, and dispbibute it individually under this License, =20 provided you insert a copy of this License into the extracted =20 document, and follow this License in all other respects regarding =20 verbatim copying of that document. - dispbibute + distribute ___ Thanks for any advice you can offer on this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 13:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBD83B017F for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08309-01 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FFC3B0183 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69468 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 17:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.143.24.200] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 BST Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Gedit manual (again) To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.647 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.695, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.647 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:31:43 -0000 (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing lists being awkward.) I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split more top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is the title 'Usage' still accurate?) Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From captain_peet@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 13:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026643B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24059-09 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D853B0081 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64715 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 17:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.161.216.110] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Smith Subject: GDP volunteering To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.648 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 1.648 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:56:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:26:42 -0000 Hello! I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech writing field and am quite familiar with business writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have written material for a variety of games and am looking to expand my portfolio. At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would like some pointers as to how to get involved. It would also be easy for me to jump in and start off with some proofreading for existing or recently submitted documentation. I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I might contribute! Regards, Pete Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 18 11:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8640C3B0B7A for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01065-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35783B0BC1 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSb-0008IN-Gv; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSa-0005iw-QF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:12 +0100 Subject: Re: GDP volunteering From: Don Scorgie To: Pete Smith In-Reply-To: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1150645513.10077.19.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Hi Pete Glad to see you want to help out. The best bet for helping out would be to grab one of the help documents and update it ;) A lot of the docs are a bit out of date just now, so there is plenty to do. A list of what people are working on currently can be found at: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Team (Not sure how up-to-date it is though). Once you got something you want to work on, add your name to the page (and probably best contact the maintainers of the module, let them know you want to help out with the docs). If you've any questions (or if you just want to chat), you can normally find someone in #docs on irc.gimp.org. If not, you can always ask on this mailing list. Also, it's probably best to have an up-to-date version of GNOME running (2.14 is the latest stable). If you're comfortable compiling yourself, you can get the latest CVS version using jhbuild: http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildOnUbuntu Otherwise, 2.14 should be okay to work from. For various other bits of info, check out: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Join which has a few links worth checking out. Thanks Don On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 10:25 -0700, Pete Smith wrote: > Hello! > > I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome > Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech > writing field and am quite familiar with business > writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have > written material for a variety of games and am looking > to expand my portfolio. > > At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would > like some pointers as to how to get involved. It > would also be easy for me to jump in and start off > with some proofreading for existing or recently > submitted documentation. > > I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I > might contribute! > > Regards, > Pete Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 18 13:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB473B0BAA for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05284-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D070D3B0BF7 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2239137uge for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr1001719ugm; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [83.179.129.70]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y1sm1347433uge.2006.06.18.10.24.09; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re ! From: karderio To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:24:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:25:31 -0000 Re everybody ! I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 release to be precise), and although I managed to read the mailing list from time to time, I have just not had the chance to get anything done. In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from where I lived in eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I have my brand new - slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running smoothly and am back to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may have seemed to have completely vanished, Internet access permitting, I've been doing a bit of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu Wiki. In passing, I'm just going to mention that the Wikipedia has an extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both about the desktop itself and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place as any to help people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am a die hard Gentoo user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the potential to finally drag a libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me this is essential. Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, and their documentation being on par with ours, they need any help they can get ;) [2]. Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside abode, I'm raving to get my teeth into some more documentation madness. In the next few days I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole documentation situation while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. Wishing you all happy hacking, love, Karderio [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 05:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893333B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01679-08 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6092D3B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 09:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060619091428.14786.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.214.70.28] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 BST Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Re ! To: karderio@gmail.com, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.606, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.558 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:15:16 -0000 Hi Karderio! Great to see that you're back and still interested in working on documentation. Joachim --- karderio wrote: > Re everybody ! > > I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 > release to be > precise), and although I managed to read the mailing > list from time to > time, I have just not had the chance to get anything > done. > > In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from > where I lived in > eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I > have my brand new - > slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running > smoothly and am back > to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may > have seemed to have > completely vanished, Internet access permitting, > I've been doing a bit > of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu > Wiki. > > In passing, I'm just going to mention that the > Wikipedia has an > extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both > about the desktop itself > and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place > as any to help > people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am > a die hard Gentoo > user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the > potential to finally drag a > libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me > this is essential. > Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, > and their > documentation being on par with ours, they need any > help they can get ;) > [2]. > > Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside > abode, I'm raving to > get my teeth into some more documentation madness. > In the next few days > I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole > documentation situation > while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. > > Wishing you all happy hacking, > > love, Karderio > > > > [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME > - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME > > [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From psankar@novell.com Tue Jun 20 03:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3103B0DE5; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31046-08; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kuulan.provo.novell.com (kuulan.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.86]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECC13B0EFC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from provo4-MTA by kuulan.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:16 -0600 Message-Id: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:09 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break References: <448D797E020000970000C073@kuulan.provo.novell.com> <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.487 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.487 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:01:07 -0000 Hello, > That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Sorry for the wrong string in the mail. >=20 > Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to > the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze > approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages > shouldn't be difficult to translate. Thanks a lot. >=20 > Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that > translators will know when to update their translations. The patch is committed to the Evolution 2.6 (gnome-2.14) branch. >=20 >=20 > Christian Sankar Novell, Inc.=20 Software for the Open Enterprise=99 http://www.novell.com From paolo.bacchilega@libero.it Tue Jun 20 12:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39F33B01C9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29388-10; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.libero.it (smtp7.libero.it [193.70.192.90]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8D93B0EA1; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (172.16.1.8) by smtp7.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 4464C609038C90BE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:55 +0200 Received: from smtp0.libero.it ([172.16.1.204]) by localhost (asav9.libero.it [193.70.192.87]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20713-03; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [151.53.96.255] (unknown [151.53.96.255]) by smtp0.libero.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAAD3355E9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: file-roller branched From: Paolo Bacchilega To: Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation , GNOME I18N List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.691 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -0.691 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:45:03 -0000 Hi, the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. Regards, Paolo. From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 12:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682BD3B0CE7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30189-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618623B0F6D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so390348wxd for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.130.3 with SMTP id c3mr10723588wxd; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.109.14 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:35 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Scott J. Harmon" Subject: Re: file-roller branched In-Reply-To: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Paolo Bacchilega , GNOME I18N List , Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:53:44 -0000 On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > changing bugs... Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get freeze break approval) ;-) From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 21 03:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94583B0AF9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17803-09; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582E73B0E2A; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjpZ001040; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjGc003626; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hh2W014630; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:44 -0400 Subject: Re: file-roller branched From: Alexander Larsson To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1150875824.16397.66.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME I18N List , "Scott J. Harmon" , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:43:53 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:53 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > > changing bugs... > > Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are > bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or > would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get > freeze break approval) ;-) I'm slightly annoyed at this listing of rules for when you need to branch. There is also the fact that 2.14 is *stable* and fixing bugs can destabilize it as much as adding features can. If you're unsure of the stability of bugfixes its very nice to be able to commit them to a branch immediately and then move the important and stable fixes to the stable branch. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted zombie photographer who hides his scarred face behind a mask. She's a wealthy cigar-chomping fairy princess on her way to prison for a murder she didn't commit. They fight crime! From harmon@ksu.edu Tue Jun 20 12:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B223B0E2A; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29748-09; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (smtp2.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.7.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52133B05F8; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.130.11.189] (dhcp19.user.cis.ksu.edu [129.130.11.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGnCK5017430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:20 -0500 From: "Scott J. Harmon" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060601) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paolo Bacchilega Subject: Re: file-roller branched References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1551/Tue Jun 20 08:37:21 2006 on virusfilter2.cc.ksu.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:05:15 -0400 Cc: GNOME I18N List , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:49:17 -0000 Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > Hi, > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture changing bugs... > Regards, > Paolo. > Thanks, Scott. From ramon.nogueira@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C009A3B012E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF43B02A2 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so849297nzp for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.11 with SMTP id u11mr5906676nzg; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.22.63 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:25:12 +0200 From: "Ramon Nogueira" To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Wiki-style documentation editing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:26:21 -0000 Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this list's archive search page when I tried to find it: I was looking through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process just to add one line. I would think this would be a pretty common occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? Thanks, Ramon From shurik179@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288D13B072E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08982-09 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3753B04B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so369716uge for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr3651710ugj; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7825300606241736g131be052hc8d39b1b526137fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:32 -0400 From: "Alexander Kirillov" To: "Joachim Noreiko" Subject: Re: Gedit manual (again) In-Reply-To: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:37:02 -0000 As one of the template authors, I can tell you that the templates were intended for short documents - for longer ones, like gedit manual, it definitely makes sense to have more top-level sections. And yes, the templates could use some updating As for lower-case "gedit", I'd suggest using just Gedit rather than &app; in the title. Sasha On 6/16/06, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing > lists being awkward.) > > I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, > and there's a few points I'd like advice on. > > Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", > with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a > lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in > the app, on the website and so on. > Compare with > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and > Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with > which I agree). What's the solution? > > Secondly, the manual closely follows the template > that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into > Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. > The problem with this is that the Usage section is > already very big, and stands to get bigger as there > are a lot of new features since the manual was last > updated. > This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: > it's a single very long page. > Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages > (and could someone remind me how), or split more > top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is > the title 'Usage' still accurate?) > > Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to > reflect this sort of thing? > And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very > long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to > gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there > anything there I can help with? > > [1] > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html > > Joachim > > > From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 25 08:59:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA4B3B009A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14431-03 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE403B0097 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so474028uge for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr4019953ugl; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [80.170.71.158]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm2864787uge.2006.06.25.05.59.11; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Ramon Nogueira In-Reply-To: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:59:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:59:52 -0000 Hi Ramon, > Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this > list's archive search page when I tried to find it It seems to be back up, I'm happy now :) > I was looking > through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I > wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this > list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to > know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a > disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something > useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process > just to add one line. No, I don't think you need to do all that. Just send the problem and proposed solution to this mailing list, if nobody can fix it straight away, at least it should get into the next update. Sorry about the out of date and not very useful information on the website, I believe there are people working on this... > I would think this would be a pretty common > occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good > thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? It would be nice if more people proposed corrections to the docs, unfortunately this doesn't seem to happen very often - the advice on the website may not help. Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all documentation. Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to propose your modifications... Love, Karderio From gnome-gnome-doc-list@m.gmane.org Mon Jun 26 03:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD9C3B00A0 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28104-09 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92913B00C9 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ful9o-0002JT-Ks for gnome-doc-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com ([81.178.87.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from mdke by 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org From: Matthew East Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:05:09 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060615 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:05:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * karderio: > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > documentation. > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > propose your modifications... Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEn4cltSaF0w5rBv8RAtMbAJ0SQPbWAlK/4sJEX4hAJMPijiTAtQCfZPtz CC0x3SJ3+/Ac3dLVmyPGuPA= =JxIC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 05:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592723B01AE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06360-02 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81C453B0217 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64937 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2006 09:32:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060626093227.64935.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.212.174.12] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 BST Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing To: Matthew East , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.681 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.729, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.681 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:32:31 -0000 --- Matthew East wrote: > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki > all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Interesting project. It's often occurred to me that there are a number of shortcuts that could be taken to turn wiki-type text into DocBook. For example, if we agree that a menu command is always introduced with the word 'choose' (which I think is what the style guide recommends anyway), then the parser can pick up on this. You'd write in the wiki: Choose File -> Open... and the parser would figure out to wrap all that up in all the many docbook tags (guimenu, guimenu item, etc) I was going to add this and other ideas to the wiki you've linked to but it requires a login. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From karderio@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 13:03:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EBB3B046C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02078-04 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3888F3B021C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so926969uge for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr5179337ugg; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [213.103.239.98]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1sm5133774ugf.2006.06.26.10.03.24; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Matthew East In-Reply-To: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:03:29 +0200 Message-Id: <1151341409.22086.21.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:03:29 -0000 Hi, > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject This would be fabulostupefedous ! I believe this sort of software would not only make all of our lives easier here at the GDP, but also encourage new contributors. I think this is definitely the way to go. I'm afraid I'm not optimistic enough to say that this might be "soon" though ;) Even if there was actually some software available that could just be installed and configured (MoinDocBookProject hasn't yet released anything, as far as I can see), these things are out of the scope of the GDP, and seem to take forever. Not to criticise whoever is working on the GNOME website that is, they probably need volunteers as much as we do (I'm currently trying to GNOMEify the look of live.gnome.org, with varying degrees of success). There is another online docbook collaborative editor, that has been mentionned here before and lives in GNOME CVS - http://live.gnome.org/LiveDocumentationEditing. I stumbled on another on the web - http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/. However neither of these seem actively maintained... So although it would be great to have this functionality, I don't see it being up for next week. However I think it shouldn't take a few hours to through the current documentation on the wiki, something we have complete control over and can do at the current time. If we decide to do this, perhaps I could hack up a script to pull the docs from cvs, index them and dump to the wiki, and another script to spit out the diffs. Btw Matt, I saw the documentation from the Ubuntu wiki had been put on the main Ubuntu website as "community docs", I find this *way cool*. Perhaps we could do the same thing for GNOME ? Love, Karderio. On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 08:05 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > * karderio: > > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > > documentation. > > > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > > propose your modifications... > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject > > Matt From gnome@nextreality.net Thu Jun 29 22:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875E93B0105; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20969-10; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3771B3B000D; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 4344E35904; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906DF35901; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44A48E2C.70506@nextreality.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:36:28 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Documentation , Shaun McCance , Don Scorgie Subject: yelp:cache implementation Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050509030100040606000000" X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the first rough pass at an implementation of a yelp:cache extension element. Shaun and I discussed this on IRC and basically the premise is that if a template depends solely on a xsl:param element that is passed to it, then we can cache the results of that template and if it is called again with the same parameter, then we look up the result in a hash table instead of performing all the XSLT again. A prime example of this is the db.number template. This template is responsible for calculating the numbers for a particular docbook section, and takes up quite a bit of processing time for docbook files with many sections and deep nesting. Since the same node is passed to the function often, a considerable amount of time is wasted recalculating something we've already done before. In comes the extension element. Yelp's db2html.xsl template now has the following (overriding the original version of this template in db-label.xsl) You can see that two attributes are required for the element. The key is unique value per template and is used in generating the key for the hash table lookup. The other required attribute is node, which right now must be a nodeset with a single node. The xmlNodePtr to this single node makes up the other part of the hash key. On the first call to the db.number template with a particular node, the extension element function will not find a value in the hash table. Therefore, it will apply the child elements of the yelp:cache element, and put the result in the hash table. On the second call with the same node, the extension element function finds the value in the hash table, and instantiates it in the result tree. So enough blabbing, here are the results before and after for the Gnumeric manual, which takes the longest time to process (by far). BEFORE: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:31:59]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:32:52]: leaving xslt_pager_process AFTER: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:30:10]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:30:35]: leaving xslt_pager_process Pretty dramatic!! Shaun had some concerns about localization, but I don't think this should affect it since the extension element function caches the actual result of the db.number.mode template. That is unless the result of db.number.mode is dependent on the depth of numbering as well as the $node parameter... Let me know your thoughts! -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="yelp-cache.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="yelp-cache.patch" ? data/info.xml ? m4/intltool.m4 ? po/stamp-it ? src/client-bindings.h ? src/server-bindings.h ? src/stylesheet Index: src/yelp-debug.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-debug.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.2 yelp-debug.c --- src/yelp-debug.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.2 +++ src/yelp-debug.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:19 -0000 @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include "yelp-debug.h" @@ -160,7 +161,16 @@ void yelp_debug (const gchar *file, } if (flags & DB_PROFILE) { + time_t t; + struct tm *tmp; + gchar timestamp[20]; + + t = time (NULL); + tmp = localtime(&t); + + strftime (timestamp, 20, "%T", tmp); formatted = g_strdup_vprintf (format, args); + g_fprintf (stdout, "PROFILE [%s]: %s\n", timestamp, formatted); str = g_strdup_printf ("MARK: %s: %s", g_get_prgname(), formatted); access (str, F_OK); g_free (formatted); Index: src/yelp-xslt-pager.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-xslt-pager.c,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -p -r1.17 yelp-xslt-pager.c --- src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.17 +++ src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -162,6 +162,7 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) GError *error = NULL; debug_print (DB_FUNCTION, "entering\n"); + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "entering %s", __FUNCTION__); g_return_val_if_fail (pager != NULL, FALSE); g_return_val_if_fail (YELP_IS_XSLT_PAGER (pager), FALSE); @@ -276,6 +277,8 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) } g_object_unref (pager); + + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "leaving %s", __FUNCTION__); return FALSE; } @@ -459,9 +462,113 @@ xslt_yelp_cache (xsltTransformContextPtr xmlNodePtr inst, xsltStylePreCompPtr comp) { + static GHashTable *keyhash; /* hash table of hash tables :-) */ + xmlXPathObjectPtr nodeexpr; + xsltStylesheetPtr style = NULL; + xmlNodePtr nodeptr; + xmlChar *keyprop; + xmlChar *nodeprop; + const char *old_outfile; + xmlDocPtr old_output; + xmlNodePtr old_insert; + xmlDocPtr new_doc = NULL; + xmlChar *page_buf; + gint buf_size; + gchar *key; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode2; + + if (!ctxt || !node || !inst || !comp) + return; + + keyprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "key"); + if (!keyprop) + return; + + nodeprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "node"); + if (!nodeprop) { + xmlFree (keyprop); + return; + } + + nodeexpr = xmlXPathEvalExpression (nodeprop, ctxt->xpathCtxt); + if (!nodeexpr) + goto done; + + /* if we haven't initialize the hash yet, do so */ + if (!keyhash) + keyhash = g_hash_table_new_full (g_str_hash, g_str_equal, g_free, xmlFree); + + if (nodeexpr->type != XPATH_NODESET) { + debug_print (DB_WARN, "node attribute did not evaluate to a nodeset\n"); + goto done; + } + + nodeptr = nodeexpr->nodesetval->nodeTab[0]; + /*g_print ("key=%s node=%s type=%d ptr=%p\n", (gchar *)keyprop, (gchar *)nodeprop, nodeexpr->type, nodeptr);*/ + + key = g_strdup_printf ("%s%p", keyprop, nodeptr); + tmpnode = g_hash_table_lookup (keyhash, key); + + if (tmpnode) { +/* g_print ("found cached result\n");*/ + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + g_free (key); + goto done; + } + + old_outfile = ctxt->outputFile; + old_output = ctxt->output; + old_insert = ctxt->insert; + ctxt->outputFile = "test"; + + style = xsltNewStylesheet (); + if (style == NULL) { + xsltTransformError (ctxt, NULL, inst, _("Out of memory")); + } + + style->omitXmlDeclaration = TRUE; + + new_doc = xmlNewDoc (BAD_CAST "1.0"); + new_doc->charset = XML_CHAR_ENCODING_UTF8; + new_doc->dict = ctxt->dict; + xmlDictReference (new_doc->dict); + + ctxt->output = new_doc; + ctxt->insert = (xmlNodePtr) new_doc; + xsltApplyOneTemplate (ctxt, node, inst->children, NULL, NULL); + + /*xsltSaveResultToString (&page_buf, &buf_size, new_doc, style); + + g_print ("page_buf = %s\n", page_buf);*/ + + ctxt->outputFile = old_outfile; + ctxt->output = old_output; + ctxt->insert = old_insert; + + /*for (tmpnode = new_doc->children; tmpnode != NULL; tmpnode = tmpnode->next) { + g_print ("type=%d name=%s\n", tmpnode->type, tmpnode->name); + }*/ + + tmpnode = xmlCopyNode (new_doc->children, 1); + g_hash_table_insert (keyhash, key, tmpnode); + + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + + /*g_print ("cached result\n");*/ while (gtk_events_pending ()) gtk_main_iteration (); /* FIXME : check for cancel */ + +done: + xmlFree (keyprop); + xmlFree (nodeprop); + if (new_doc) + xmlFreeDoc (new_doc); + if (style) + xsltFreeStylesheet (style); } Index: stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in,v retrieving revision 1.19 diff -u -p -r1.19 db2html.xsl.in --- stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 19 May 2005 22:41:16 -0000 1.19 +++ stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -58,6 +58,13 @@ + + + + + + + --------------050509030100040606000000-- From jorge.garcia.gonzalez@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3A53B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05937-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3183B0070 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1751935uge for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tgeS4Lo5/MYe0oQlMnQc/mWabBbpsmd869v0GSMq2Td20SiMpiwInSFEfDrDdqgoRgCuZdzRpyr7z8YOTF7KS0wdxhhgXyFAaJWfxnInM9ZWrcT1Qeq0bj0GHTy/Tu5K/+urXPtSW+51FH0AgVzKx0mAeQhe7H/a80Q/4FsLLBE= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr1239633hum; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.17.5 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:44:51 -0500 From: "jorge alberto garcia gonzalez" To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.765 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_10_20=1.351, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:08:55 -0400 Cc: Subject: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:44:53 -0000 ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file. The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody that check the translation. Thanks for l your time waste in this mail. Best regards. Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez. -- No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file  for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file.

The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish,  only i want to know if i need  some place where  send you and somebody that check the translation.


Thanks for l your time waste in this mail.

Best regards.

Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez.




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No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176-- From Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM Wed Jun 7 16:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13F3B015D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14055-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1A3B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k57KquO7011021 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J0I00G01CKJQG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM) for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([67.101.146.35]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J0I00DMHCO7QHZ2@mail-amer.sun.com> for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:52:55 -0700 From: Lynn Monsanto Sender: Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM To: docs@gnome.org Message-id: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:35:14 -0400 Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:53:00 -0000 Hi all, I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Thanks! Lynn Monsanto Sun Accessibility Team From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 12:52:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D903B035C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08013-01; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAAA3B045C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59GqPg2023697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:52:26 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: gnome-doc-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:52:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1149871945.22186.2.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.527 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.527 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Web Designers Wanted X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:52:35 -0000 I've just posted the following call for mockups to my blog: http://blogs.gnome.org/edit/shaunm/2006/06/09/0 Basically, I'm looking for talented designers to submit mockups for our help pages. I've been largely the sole designer of the layout for quite some time, and I think it'll be good to get a fresh perspective on things. Do feel free to post this anywhere you think we might get some fresh new contributors. This is a great opportunity to get non-programmers involved with Gnome. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBC33B11AA for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08941-03 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045E3B11A7 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59H7cd4025931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: jorge alberto garcia gonzalez In-Reply-To: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.451 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.451 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:07:41 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez wrote: > > Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching > a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a > configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty > module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices > information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml > file. > > The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in > spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is > disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, > only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody > that check the translation. > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten the hang of it. Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel got sick of managing spam. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FD3B1153 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09661-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC65B3B11B8 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59HFiji026969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: Lynn Monsanto In-Reply-To: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.528 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:15:50 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Hi Lynn, There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our platform offering. Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. -- Shaun From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jun 9 15:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99FF3B0209 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16438-10 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122B93B009F for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuL-0005Y6-1H; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuJ-0002Q6-TI; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:35 +0100 From: Don Scorgie To: docs@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:45:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1149882318.25215.14.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.483 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.483 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:44:48 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 12:15 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. > > Hi Lynn, > > There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 > > It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single > bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that > crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. > I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. > > As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks > as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It > checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. > I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, > although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our > platform offering. > > Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. > Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes > should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there > are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, > we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, > and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. Hi Lynn, Just to add (to save trawling through the bug report): Yelp uses gtkmozembed stream API (for the most part). The biggest problem arises because of mozilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293670 (streams don't emit a children_changed::add signal) Currently Yelp works around this by emitting the signal a few seconds after the page has loaded. It isn't a very good workaround, but its better than nothing. Apart from this problem, the reading of menus in docbook files (well, the HTML generated from docbook file) is fairly inconsistent when using gnopernicus (sorry, haven't tried Orca yet). This can be seen by opening a manual (e.g. the gnome user guide) to the front page (with the list of content) and trying to get this read by a screen reader. I don't know if Orca is affected by this, nor whether firefox / epiphany suffer from this. Don From clytie@riverland.net.au Sat Jun 10 03:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324D3B02DD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16365-03 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ash25e.internode.on.net (ash25e.internode.on.net [203.16.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9203B028B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp222-184.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.222.184]) by ash25e.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5A7aPYK064583 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13EE5709-B0CE-4A93-92D7-C3C8880E6717@riverland.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Clytie Siddall Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:25 +0930 To: GNOME Documentation X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.694 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.747, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.694 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:36:32 -0000 On 10/06/2006, at 2:37 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez =20 > wrote: >> >> Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching >> a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working =20 >> in a >> configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty >> module, before i use a coma based format file for process all =20 >> devices >> information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml >> file. >> >> The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in >> spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is >> disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to =20 >> spanish, >> only i want to know if i need some place where send you and =20 >> somebody >> that check the translation. >> > > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good > high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard > to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten > the hang of it. > > Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API > documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, > and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. > You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall > correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel > got sick of managing spam. The Gnome Spanish Translation Team might also know where there are =20 useful translated documents: it's always worth asking your local =20 language team about anything related to translation. :) http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/teams.html from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F27C3B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09180-05 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7513B0091 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1919217uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.610, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.652 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:34:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7AC3B0125 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15119-06 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEA53B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so870453wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:01:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From psankar@novell.com Mon Jun 12 04:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B843B0078; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26666-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630343B00A6; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:31 -0600 Message-Id: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:25 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.486 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.486 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Harish Krishnaswamy Subject: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:40:26 -0000 Hi, As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to review and approve this string-addition. The new string added is: Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. Please check Email Id and try again. Thanks, Sankar P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 12 07:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BE13B0061; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31499-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D43B00A7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:00:08 -0600 From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: "Sankar(P Sankar)" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:33:16 +0530 Message-Id: <1150110196.6243.39.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:00:55 -0000 Adding a few relevant details : 1. The request for the freeze break is on Evolution 2.6 branch (gnome-2-14). 2. It is already available in the trunk. Correct me if I am wrong. --Harish On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 04:39 -0400, Sankar(P Sankar) wrote: > Hi, > > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. > > Thanks, > Sankar > > P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From rosechr@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 14:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AF93B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24567-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB1F3B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2491280uge for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bVIMKy1ZP60e03bAE2lHM7MpdcsRLfvCrHZ2Jk1Jtlp+mVpVVNjiVRtif49q2icj6r75us2C9VLG69+uTeobsxh24QIC9jFGkKEaIpczX6uxj582325CW5RGfbFTPaMQ9RO99pIFh2dY/eiNnAjV94mBi4PMqhnW5DGgzENkShY= Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr14229hus; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606121118u44c662dfw8b9f5006b8e23637@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:48 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "P Sankar" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f5da27dc8f88787 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.552 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.510, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.552 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:26:56 -0000 On 6/12/06, P Sankar wrote: > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages shouldn't be difficult to translate. Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that translators will know when to update their translations. Christian From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 03:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8C13B00F5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14656-04 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.203]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AC203B00D9 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79758 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2006 07:34:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MB6117q6wJCPOP5YA7ibJy223yjcF5xJPwAyaNY/3GVBEUzR5kvSIypydXId60m2pYfLvVm80VYFTwFJYMiyQGtgc9aS8KKAPtTtoqFNWleAP6iB34dS4H+551ADT3BCRaszZmV4QUP7ihfeOniBJlJuC4VfFE/LtGJK/eU8YDE= ; Message-ID: <20060613073424.79756.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.213.90.179] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 BST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.642 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.690, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.642 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Gedit manual X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:36:28 -0000 I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split Usage into several top-level sections? Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From clytie@riverland.net.au Tue Jun 13 09:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E013B00AF for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24675-06 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F253B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp216-216.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.122.216.216]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5DDSnvI022663 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:49 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <98E034E5-146A-41FB-AC56-F75FFF9910A4@riverland.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: GNOME Documentation From: Clytie Siddall Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:48 +0930 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.943 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.489, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.943 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Typo in desktop-fdl X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:29:51 -0000 Hi guys :) I've found a typo in the desktop-fdl PO file (the GNU Free =20 Documentation Licence). How do I report it? Does this mean the original version at GNU also has this typo? ___ 1. po:55 Original: =E2=8C=980 You may extract a single document from = such a =20 collection, and dispbibute it individually under this License, =20 provided you insert a copy of this License into the extracted =20 document, and follow this License in all other respects regarding =20 verbatim copying of that document. - dispbibute + distribute ___ Thanks for any advice you can offer on this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 13:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBD83B017F for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08309-01 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FFC3B0183 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69468 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 17:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.143.24.200] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 BST Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Gedit manual (again) To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.647 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.695, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.647 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:31:43 -0000 (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing lists being awkward.) I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split more top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is the title 'Usage' still accurate?) Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From captain_peet@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 13:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026643B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24059-09 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D853B0081 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64715 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 17:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.161.216.110] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Smith Subject: GDP volunteering To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.648 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 1.648 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:56:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:26:42 -0000 Hello! I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech writing field and am quite familiar with business writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have written material for a variety of games and am looking to expand my portfolio. At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would like some pointers as to how to get involved. It would also be easy for me to jump in and start off with some proofreading for existing or recently submitted documentation. I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I might contribute! Regards, Pete Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 18 11:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8640C3B0B7A for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01065-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35783B0BC1 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSb-0008IN-Gv; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSa-0005iw-QF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:12 +0100 Subject: Re: GDP volunteering From: Don Scorgie To: Pete Smith In-Reply-To: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1150645513.10077.19.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Hi Pete Glad to see you want to help out. The best bet for helping out would be to grab one of the help documents and update it ;) A lot of the docs are a bit out of date just now, so there is plenty to do. A list of what people are working on currently can be found at: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Team (Not sure how up-to-date it is though). Once you got something you want to work on, add your name to the page (and probably best contact the maintainers of the module, let them know you want to help out with the docs). If you've any questions (or if you just want to chat), you can normally find someone in #docs on irc.gimp.org. If not, you can always ask on this mailing list. Also, it's probably best to have an up-to-date version of GNOME running (2.14 is the latest stable). If you're comfortable compiling yourself, you can get the latest CVS version using jhbuild: http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildOnUbuntu Otherwise, 2.14 should be okay to work from. For various other bits of info, check out: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Join which has a few links worth checking out. Thanks Don On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 10:25 -0700, Pete Smith wrote: > Hello! > > I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome > Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech > writing field and am quite familiar with business > writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have > written material for a variety of games and am looking > to expand my portfolio. > > At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would > like some pointers as to how to get involved. It > would also be easy for me to jump in and start off > with some proofreading for existing or recently > submitted documentation. > > I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I > might contribute! > > Regards, > Pete Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 18 13:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB473B0BAA for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05284-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D070D3B0BF7 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2239137uge for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr1001719ugm; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? 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I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 release to be precise), and although I managed to read the mailing list from time to time, I have just not had the chance to get anything done. In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from where I lived in eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I have my brand new - slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running smoothly and am back to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may have seemed to have completely vanished, Internet access permitting, I've been doing a bit of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu Wiki. In passing, I'm just going to mention that the Wikipedia has an extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both about the desktop itself and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place as any to help people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am a die hard Gentoo user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the potential to finally drag a libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me this is essential. Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, and their documentation being on par with ours, they need any help they can get ;) [2]. Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside abode, I'm raving to get my teeth into some more documentation madness. In the next few days I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole documentation situation while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. Wishing you all happy hacking, love, Karderio [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 05:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893333B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01679-08 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6092D3B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 09:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060619091428.14786.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.214.70.28] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 BST Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Re ! To: karderio@gmail.com, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.606, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.558 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:15:16 -0000 Hi Karderio! Great to see that you're back and still interested in working on documentation. Joachim --- karderio wrote: > Re everybody ! > > I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 > release to be > precise), and although I managed to read the mailing > list from time to > time, I have just not had the chance to get anything > done. > > In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from > where I lived in > eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I > have my brand new - > slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running > smoothly and am back > to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may > have seemed to have > completely vanished, Internet access permitting, > I've been doing a bit > of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu > Wiki. > > In passing, I'm just going to mention that the > Wikipedia has an > extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both > about the desktop itself > and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place > as any to help > people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am > a die hard Gentoo > user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the > potential to finally drag a > libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me > this is essential. > Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, > and their > documentation being on par with ours, they need any > help they can get ;) > [2]. > > Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside > abode, I'm raving to > get my teeth into some more documentation madness. > In the next few days > I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole > documentation situation > while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. > > Wishing you all happy hacking, > > love, Karderio > > > > [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME > - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME > > [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From psankar@novell.com Tue Jun 20 03:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3103B0DE5; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31046-08; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kuulan.provo.novell.com (kuulan.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.86]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECC13B0EFC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from provo4-MTA by kuulan.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:16 -0600 Message-Id: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:09 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break References: <448D797E020000970000C073@kuulan.provo.novell.com> <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.487 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.487 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:01:07 -0000 Hello, > That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Sorry for the wrong string in the mail. >=20 > Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to > the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze > approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages > shouldn't be difficult to translate. Thanks a lot. >=20 > Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that > translators will know when to update their translations. The patch is committed to the Evolution 2.6 (gnome-2.14) branch. >=20 >=20 > Christian Sankar Novell, Inc.=20 Software for the Open Enterprise=99 http://www.novell.com From paolo.bacchilega@libero.it Tue Jun 20 12:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39F33B01C9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29388-10; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.libero.it (smtp7.libero.it [193.70.192.90]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8D93B0EA1; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (172.16.1.8) by smtp7.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 4464C609038C90BE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:55 +0200 Received: from smtp0.libero.it ([172.16.1.204]) by localhost (asav9.libero.it [193.70.192.87]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20713-03; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [151.53.96.255] (unknown [151.53.96.255]) by smtp0.libero.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAAD3355E9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: file-roller branched From: Paolo Bacchilega To: Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation , GNOME I18N List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.691 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -0.691 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:45:03 -0000 Hi, the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. Regards, Paolo. From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 12:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682BD3B0CE7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30189-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618623B0F6D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so390348wxd for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.130.3 with SMTP id c3mr10723588wxd; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.109.14 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:35 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Scott J. Harmon" Subject: Re: file-roller branched In-Reply-To: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Paolo Bacchilega , GNOME I18N List , Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:53:44 -0000 On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > changing bugs... Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get freeze break approval) ;-) From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 21 03:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94583B0AF9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17803-09; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582E73B0E2A; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjpZ001040; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjGc003626; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hh2W014630; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:44 -0400 Subject: Re: file-roller branched From: Alexander Larsson To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1150875824.16397.66.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME I18N List , "Scott J. Harmon" , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:43:53 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:53 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > > changing bugs... > > Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are > bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or > would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get > freeze break approval) ;-) I'm slightly annoyed at this listing of rules for when you need to branch. There is also the fact that 2.14 is *stable* and fixing bugs can destabilize it as much as adding features can. If you're unsure of the stability of bugfixes its very nice to be able to commit them to a branch immediately and then move the important and stable fixes to the stable branch. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted zombie photographer who hides his scarred face behind a mask. She's a wealthy cigar-chomping fairy princess on her way to prison for a murder she didn't commit. They fight crime! From harmon@ksu.edu Tue Jun 20 12:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B223B0E2A; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29748-09; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (smtp2.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.7.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52133B05F8; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.130.11.189] (dhcp19.user.cis.ksu.edu [129.130.11.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGnCK5017430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:20 -0500 From: "Scott J. Harmon" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060601) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paolo Bacchilega Subject: Re: file-roller branched References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1551/Tue Jun 20 08:37:21 2006 on virusfilter2.cc.ksu.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:05:15 -0400 Cc: GNOME I18N List , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:49:17 -0000 Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > Hi, > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture changing bugs... > Regards, > Paolo. > Thanks, Scott. From ramon.nogueira@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C009A3B012E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF43B02A2 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so849297nzp for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.11 with SMTP id u11mr5906676nzg; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.22.63 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:25:12 +0200 From: "Ramon Nogueira" To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Wiki-style documentation editing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:26:21 -0000 Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this list's archive search page when I tried to find it: I was looking through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process just to add one line. I would think this would be a pretty common occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? Thanks, Ramon From shurik179@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288D13B072E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08982-09 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3753B04B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so369716uge for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr3651710ugj; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7825300606241736g131be052hc8d39b1b526137fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:32 -0400 From: "Alexander Kirillov" To: "Joachim Noreiko" Subject: Re: Gedit manual (again) In-Reply-To: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:37:02 -0000 As one of the template authors, I can tell you that the templates were intended for short documents - for longer ones, like gedit manual, it definitely makes sense to have more top-level sections. And yes, the templates could use some updating As for lower-case "gedit", I'd suggest using just Gedit rather than &app; in the title. Sasha On 6/16/06, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing > lists being awkward.) > > I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, > and there's a few points I'd like advice on. > > Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", > with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a > lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in > the app, on the website and so on. > Compare with > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and > Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with > which I agree). What's the solution? > > Secondly, the manual closely follows the template > that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into > Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. > The problem with this is that the Usage section is > already very big, and stands to get bigger as there > are a lot of new features since the manual was last > updated. > This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: > it's a single very long page. > Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages > (and could someone remind me how), or split more > top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is > the title 'Usage' still accurate?) > > Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to > reflect this sort of thing? > And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very > long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to > gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there > anything there I can help with? > > [1] > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html > > Joachim > > > From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 25 08:59:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA4B3B009A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14431-03 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE403B0097 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so474028uge for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr4019953ugl; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [80.170.71.158]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm2864787uge.2006.06.25.05.59.11; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Ramon Nogueira In-Reply-To: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:59:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:59:52 -0000 Hi Ramon, > Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this > list's archive search page when I tried to find it It seems to be back up, I'm happy now :) > I was looking > through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I > wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this > list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to > know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a > disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something > useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process > just to add one line. No, I don't think you need to do all that. Just send the problem and proposed solution to this mailing list, if nobody can fix it straight away, at least it should get into the next update. Sorry about the out of date and not very useful information on the website, I believe there are people working on this... > I would think this would be a pretty common > occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good > thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? It would be nice if more people proposed corrections to the docs, unfortunately this doesn't seem to happen very often - the advice on the website may not help. Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all documentation. Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to propose your modifications... Love, Karderio From gnome-gnome-doc-list@m.gmane.org Mon Jun 26 03:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD9C3B00A0 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28104-09 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92913B00C9 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ful9o-0002JT-Ks for gnome-doc-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com ([81.178.87.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from mdke by 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org From: Matthew East Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:05:09 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060615 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:05:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * karderio: > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > documentation. > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > propose your modifications... Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEn4cltSaF0w5rBv8RAtMbAJ0SQPbWAlK/4sJEX4hAJMPijiTAtQCfZPtz CC0x3SJ3+/Ac3dLVmyPGuPA= =JxIC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 05:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592723B01AE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06360-02 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81C453B0217 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64937 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2006 09:32:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060626093227.64935.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.212.174.12] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 BST Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing To: Matthew East , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.681 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.729, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.681 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:32:31 -0000 --- Matthew East wrote: > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki > all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Interesting project. It's often occurred to me that there are a number of shortcuts that could be taken to turn wiki-type text into DocBook. For example, if we agree that a menu command is always introduced with the word 'choose' (which I think is what the style guide recommends anyway), then the parser can pick up on this. You'd write in the wiki: Choose File -> Open... and the parser would figure out to wrap all that up in all the many docbook tags (guimenu, guimenu item, etc) I was going to add this and other ideas to the wiki you've linked to but it requires a login. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From karderio@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 13:03:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EBB3B046C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02078-04 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3888F3B021C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so926969uge for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr5179337ugg; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [213.103.239.98]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1sm5133774ugf.2006.06.26.10.03.24; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Matthew East In-Reply-To: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:03:29 +0200 Message-Id: <1151341409.22086.21.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:03:29 -0000 Hi, > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject This would be fabulostupefedous ! I believe this sort of software would not only make all of our lives easier here at the GDP, but also encourage new contributors. I think this is definitely the way to go. I'm afraid I'm not optimistic enough to say that this might be "soon" though ;) Even if there was actually some software available that could just be installed and configured (MoinDocBookProject hasn't yet released anything, as far as I can see), these things are out of the scope of the GDP, and seem to take forever. Not to criticise whoever is working on the GNOME website that is, they probably need volunteers as much as we do (I'm currently trying to GNOMEify the look of live.gnome.org, with varying degrees of success). There is another online docbook collaborative editor, that has been mentionned here before and lives in GNOME CVS - http://live.gnome.org/LiveDocumentationEditing. I stumbled on another on the web - http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/. However neither of these seem actively maintained... So although it would be great to have this functionality, I don't see it being up for next week. However I think it shouldn't take a few hours to through the current documentation on the wiki, something we have complete control over and can do at the current time. If we decide to do this, perhaps I could hack up a script to pull the docs from cvs, index them and dump to the wiki, and another script to spit out the diffs. Btw Matt, I saw the documentation from the Ubuntu wiki had been put on the main Ubuntu website as "community docs", I find this *way cool*. Perhaps we could do the same thing for GNOME ? Love, Karderio. On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 08:05 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > * karderio: > > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > > documentation. > > > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > > propose your modifications... > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject > > Matt From gnome@nextreality.net Thu Jun 29 22:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875E93B0105; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20969-10; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3771B3B000D; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 4344E35904; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906DF35901; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44A48E2C.70506@nextreality.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:36:28 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Documentation , Shaun McCance , Don Scorgie Subject: yelp:cache implementation Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050509030100040606000000" X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the first rough pass at an implementation of a yelp:cache extension element. Shaun and I discussed this on IRC and basically the premise is that if a template depends solely on a xsl:param element that is passed to it, then we can cache the results of that template and if it is called again with the same parameter, then we look up the result in a hash table instead of performing all the XSLT again. A prime example of this is the db.number template. This template is responsible for calculating the numbers for a particular docbook section, and takes up quite a bit of processing time for docbook files with many sections and deep nesting. Since the same node is passed to the function often, a considerable amount of time is wasted recalculating something we've already done before. In comes the extension element. Yelp's db2html.xsl template now has the following (overriding the original version of this template in db-label.xsl) You can see that two attributes are required for the element. The key is unique value per template and is used in generating the key for the hash table lookup. The other required attribute is node, which right now must be a nodeset with a single node. The xmlNodePtr to this single node makes up the other part of the hash key. On the first call to the db.number template with a particular node, the extension element function will not find a value in the hash table. Therefore, it will apply the child elements of the yelp:cache element, and put the result in the hash table. On the second call with the same node, the extension element function finds the value in the hash table, and instantiates it in the result tree. So enough blabbing, here are the results before and after for the Gnumeric manual, which takes the longest time to process (by far). BEFORE: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:31:59]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:32:52]: leaving xslt_pager_process AFTER: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:30:10]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:30:35]: leaving xslt_pager_process Pretty dramatic!! Shaun had some concerns about localization, but I don't think this should affect it since the extension element function caches the actual result of the db.number.mode template. That is unless the result of db.number.mode is dependent on the depth of numbering as well as the $node parameter... Let me know your thoughts! -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="yelp-cache.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="yelp-cache.patch" ? data/info.xml ? m4/intltool.m4 ? po/stamp-it ? src/client-bindings.h ? src/server-bindings.h ? src/stylesheet Index: src/yelp-debug.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-debug.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.2 yelp-debug.c --- src/yelp-debug.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.2 +++ src/yelp-debug.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:19 -0000 @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include "yelp-debug.h" @@ -160,7 +161,16 @@ void yelp_debug (const gchar *file, } if (flags & DB_PROFILE) { + time_t t; + struct tm *tmp; + gchar timestamp[20]; + + t = time (NULL); + tmp = localtime(&t); + + strftime (timestamp, 20, "%T", tmp); formatted = g_strdup_vprintf (format, args); + g_fprintf (stdout, "PROFILE [%s]: %s\n", timestamp, formatted); str = g_strdup_printf ("MARK: %s: %s", g_get_prgname(), formatted); access (str, F_OK); g_free (formatted); Index: src/yelp-xslt-pager.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-xslt-pager.c,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -p -r1.17 yelp-xslt-pager.c --- src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.17 +++ src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -162,6 +162,7 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) GError *error = NULL; debug_print (DB_FUNCTION, "entering\n"); + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "entering %s", __FUNCTION__); g_return_val_if_fail (pager != NULL, FALSE); g_return_val_if_fail (YELP_IS_XSLT_PAGER (pager), FALSE); @@ -276,6 +277,8 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) } g_object_unref (pager); + + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "leaving %s", __FUNCTION__); return FALSE; } @@ -459,9 +462,113 @@ xslt_yelp_cache (xsltTransformContextPtr xmlNodePtr inst, xsltStylePreCompPtr comp) { + static GHashTable *keyhash; /* hash table of hash tables :-) */ + xmlXPathObjectPtr nodeexpr; + xsltStylesheetPtr style = NULL; + xmlNodePtr nodeptr; + xmlChar *keyprop; + xmlChar *nodeprop; + const char *old_outfile; + xmlDocPtr old_output; + xmlNodePtr old_insert; + xmlDocPtr new_doc = NULL; + xmlChar *page_buf; + gint buf_size; + gchar *key; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode2; + + if (!ctxt || !node || !inst || !comp) + return; + + keyprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "key"); + if (!keyprop) + return; + + nodeprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "node"); + if (!nodeprop) { + xmlFree (keyprop); + return; + } + + nodeexpr = xmlXPathEvalExpression (nodeprop, ctxt->xpathCtxt); + if (!nodeexpr) + goto done; + + /* if we haven't initialize the hash yet, do so */ + if (!keyhash) + keyhash = g_hash_table_new_full (g_str_hash, g_str_equal, g_free, xmlFree); + + if (nodeexpr->type != XPATH_NODESET) { + debug_print (DB_WARN, "node attribute did not evaluate to a nodeset\n"); + goto done; + } + + nodeptr = nodeexpr->nodesetval->nodeTab[0]; + /*g_print ("key=%s node=%s type=%d ptr=%p\n", (gchar *)keyprop, (gchar *)nodeprop, nodeexpr->type, nodeptr);*/ + + key = g_strdup_printf ("%s%p", keyprop, nodeptr); + tmpnode = g_hash_table_lookup (keyhash, key); + + if (tmpnode) { +/* g_print ("found cached result\n");*/ + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + g_free (key); + goto done; + } + + old_outfile = ctxt->outputFile; + old_output = ctxt->output; + old_insert = ctxt->insert; + ctxt->outputFile = "test"; + + style = xsltNewStylesheet (); + if (style == NULL) { + xsltTransformError (ctxt, NULL, inst, _("Out of memory")); + } + + style->omitXmlDeclaration = TRUE; + + new_doc = xmlNewDoc (BAD_CAST "1.0"); + new_doc->charset = XML_CHAR_ENCODING_UTF8; + new_doc->dict = ctxt->dict; + xmlDictReference (new_doc->dict); + + ctxt->output = new_doc; + ctxt->insert = (xmlNodePtr) new_doc; + xsltApplyOneTemplate (ctxt, node, inst->children, NULL, NULL); + + /*xsltSaveResultToString (&page_buf, &buf_size, new_doc, style); + + g_print ("page_buf = %s\n", page_buf);*/ + + ctxt->outputFile = old_outfile; + ctxt->output = old_output; + ctxt->insert = old_insert; + + /*for (tmpnode = new_doc->children; tmpnode != NULL; tmpnode = tmpnode->next) { + g_print ("type=%d name=%s\n", tmpnode->type, tmpnode->name); + }*/ + + tmpnode = xmlCopyNode (new_doc->children, 1); + g_hash_table_insert (keyhash, key, tmpnode); + + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + + /*g_print ("cached result\n");*/ while (gtk_events_pending ()) gtk_main_iteration (); /* FIXME : check for cancel */ + +done: + xmlFree (keyprop); + xmlFree (nodeprop); + if (new_doc) + xmlFreeDoc (new_doc); + if (style) + xsltFreeStylesheet (style); } Index: stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in,v retrieving revision 1.19 diff -u -p -r1.19 db2html.xsl.in --- stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 19 May 2005 22:41:16 -0000 1.19 +++ stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -58,6 +58,13 @@ + + + + + + + --------------050509030100040606000000-- From jorge.garcia.gonzalez@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3A53B0090 for ; 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boundary="----=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.765 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_10_20=1.351, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:08:55 -0400 Cc: Subject: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:44:53 -0000 ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file. The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody that check the translation. Thanks for l your time waste in this mail. Best regards. Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez. -- No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file  for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file.

The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish,  only i want to know if i need  some place where  send you and somebody that check the translation.


Thanks for l your time waste in this mail.

Best regards.

Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez.




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No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176-- From Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM Wed Jun 7 16:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13F3B015D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14055-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1A3B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k57KquO7011021 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J0I00G01CKJQG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM) for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([67.101.146.35]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J0I00DMHCO7QHZ2@mail-amer.sun.com> for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:52:55 -0700 From: Lynn Monsanto Sender: Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM To: docs@gnome.org Message-id: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:35:14 -0400 Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:53:00 -0000 Hi all, I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Thanks! Lynn Monsanto Sun Accessibility Team From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 12:52:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D903B035C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08013-01; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAAA3B045C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59GqPg2023697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:52:26 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: gnome-doc-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:52:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1149871945.22186.2.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.527 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.527 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Web Designers Wanted X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:52:35 -0000 I've just posted the following call for mockups to my blog: http://blogs.gnome.org/edit/shaunm/2006/06/09/0 Basically, I'm looking for talented designers to submit mockups for our help pages. I've been largely the sole designer of the layout for quite some time, and I think it'll be good to get a fresh perspective on things. Do feel free to post this anywhere you think we might get some fresh new contributors. This is a great opportunity to get non-programmers involved with Gnome. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBC33B11AA for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08941-03 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045E3B11A7 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59H7cd4025931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: jorge alberto garcia gonzalez In-Reply-To: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.451 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.451 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:07:41 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez wrote: > > Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching > a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a > configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty > module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices > information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml > file. > > The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in > spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is > disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, > only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody > that check the translation. > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten the hang of it. Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel got sick of managing spam. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FD3B1153 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09661-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC65B3B11B8 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59HFiji026969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: Lynn Monsanto In-Reply-To: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.528 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:15:50 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Hi Lynn, There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our platform offering. Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. -- Shaun From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jun 9 15:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99FF3B0209 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16438-10 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122B93B009F for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuL-0005Y6-1H; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuJ-0002Q6-TI; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:35 +0100 From: Don Scorgie To: docs@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:45:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1149882318.25215.14.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.483 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.483 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:44:48 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 12:15 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. > > Hi Lynn, > > There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 > > It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single > bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that > crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. > I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. > > As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks > as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It > checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. > I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, > although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our > platform offering. > > Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. > Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes > should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there > are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, > we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, > and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. Hi Lynn, Just to add (to save trawling through the bug report): Yelp uses gtkmozembed stream API (for the most part). The biggest problem arises because of mozilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293670 (streams don't emit a children_changed::add signal) Currently Yelp works around this by emitting the signal a few seconds after the page has loaded. It isn't a very good workaround, but its better than nothing. Apart from this problem, the reading of menus in docbook files (well, the HTML generated from docbook file) is fairly inconsistent when using gnopernicus (sorry, haven't tried Orca yet). This can be seen by opening a manual (e.g. the gnome user guide) to the front page (with the list of content) and trying to get this read by a screen reader. I don't know if Orca is affected by this, nor whether firefox / epiphany suffer from this. Don From clytie@riverland.net.au Sat Jun 10 03:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324D3B02DD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16365-03 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ash25e.internode.on.net (ash25e.internode.on.net [203.16.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9203B028B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp222-184.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.222.184]) by ash25e.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5A7aPYK064583 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13EE5709-B0CE-4A93-92D7-C3C8880E6717@riverland.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Clytie Siddall Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:25 +0930 To: GNOME Documentation X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.694 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.747, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.694 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:36:32 -0000 On 10/06/2006, at 2:37 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez =20 > wrote: >> >> Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching >> a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working =20 >> in a >> configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty >> module, before i use a coma based format file for process all =20 >> devices >> information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml >> file. >> >> The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in >> spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is >> disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to =20 >> spanish, >> only i want to know if i need some place where send you and =20 >> somebody >> that check the translation. >> > > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good > high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard > to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten > the hang of it. > > Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API > documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, > and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. > You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall > correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel > got sick of managing spam. The Gnome Spanish Translation Team might also know where there are =20 useful translated documents: it's always worth asking your local =20 language team about anything related to translation. :) http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/teams.html from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F27C3B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09180-05 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7513B0091 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1919217uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.610, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.652 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:34:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7AC3B0125 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15119-06 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEA53B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so870453wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:01:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From psankar@novell.com Mon Jun 12 04:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B843B0078; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26666-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630343B00A6; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:31 -0600 Message-Id: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:25 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.486 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.486 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Harish Krishnaswamy Subject: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:40:26 -0000 Hi, As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to review and approve this string-addition. The new string added is: Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. Please check Email Id and try again. Thanks, Sankar P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 12 07:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BE13B0061; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31499-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D43B00A7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:00:08 -0600 From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: "Sankar(P Sankar)" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:33:16 +0530 Message-Id: <1150110196.6243.39.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:00:55 -0000 Adding a few relevant details : 1. The request for the freeze break is on Evolution 2.6 branch (gnome-2-14). 2. It is already available in the trunk. Correct me if I am wrong. --Harish On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 04:39 -0400, Sankar(P Sankar) wrote: > Hi, > > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. > > Thanks, > Sankar > > P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From rosechr@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 14:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AF93B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24567-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB1F3B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2491280uge for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bVIMKy1ZP60e03bAE2lHM7MpdcsRLfvCrHZ2Jk1Jtlp+mVpVVNjiVRtif49q2icj6r75us2C9VLG69+uTeobsxh24QIC9jFGkKEaIpczX6uxj582325CW5RGfbFTPaMQ9RO99pIFh2dY/eiNnAjV94mBi4PMqhnW5DGgzENkShY= Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr14229hus; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606121118u44c662dfw8b9f5006b8e23637@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:48 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "P Sankar" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f5da27dc8f88787 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.552 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.510, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.552 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:26:56 -0000 On 6/12/06, P Sankar wrote: > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages shouldn't be difficult to translate. Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that translators will know when to update their translations. Christian From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 03:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8C13B00F5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14656-04 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.203]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AC203B00D9 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79758 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2006 07:34:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MB6117q6wJCPOP5YA7ibJy223yjcF5xJPwAyaNY/3GVBEUzR5kvSIypydXId60m2pYfLvVm80VYFTwFJYMiyQGtgc9aS8KKAPtTtoqFNWleAP6iB34dS4H+551ADT3BCRaszZmV4QUP7ihfeOniBJlJuC4VfFE/LtGJK/eU8YDE= ; Message-ID: <20060613073424.79756.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.213.90.179] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 BST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.642 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.690, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.642 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Gedit manual X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:36:28 -0000 I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split Usage into several top-level sections? Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From clytie@riverland.net.au Tue Jun 13 09:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E013B00AF for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24675-06 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F253B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp216-216.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.122.216.216]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5DDSnvI022663 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:49 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <98E034E5-146A-41FB-AC56-F75FFF9910A4@riverland.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: GNOME Documentation From: Clytie Siddall Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:48 +0930 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.943 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.489, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.943 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Typo in desktop-fdl X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:29:51 -0000 Hi guys :) I've found a typo in the desktop-fdl PO file (the GNU Free =20 Documentation Licence). How do I report it? Does this mean the original version at GNU also has this typo? ___ 1. po:55 Original: =E2=8C=980 You may extract a single document from = such a =20 collection, and dispbibute it individually under this License, =20 provided you insert a copy of this License into the extracted =20 document, and follow this License in all other respects regarding =20 verbatim copying of that document. - dispbibute + distribute ___ Thanks for any advice you can offer on this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 13:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBD83B017F for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08309-01 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FFC3B0183 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69468 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 17:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.143.24.200] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 BST Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Gedit manual (again) To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.647 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.695, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.647 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:31:43 -0000 (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing lists being awkward.) I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split more top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is the title 'Usage' still accurate?) Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From captain_peet@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 13:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026643B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24059-09 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D853B0081 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64715 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 17:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.161.216.110] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Smith Subject: GDP volunteering To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.648 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 1.648 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:56:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:26:42 -0000 Hello! I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech writing field and am quite familiar with business writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have written material for a variety of games and am looking to expand my portfolio. At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would like some pointers as to how to get involved. It would also be easy for me to jump in and start off with some proofreading for existing or recently submitted documentation. I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I might contribute! Regards, Pete Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 18 11:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8640C3B0B7A for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01065-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35783B0BC1 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSb-0008IN-Gv; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSa-0005iw-QF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:12 +0100 Subject: Re: GDP volunteering From: Don Scorgie To: Pete Smith In-Reply-To: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1150645513.10077.19.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Hi Pete Glad to see you want to help out. The best bet for helping out would be to grab one of the help documents and update it ;) A lot of the docs are a bit out of date just now, so there is plenty to do. A list of what people are working on currently can be found at: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Team (Not sure how up-to-date it is though). Once you got something you want to work on, add your name to the page (and probably best contact the maintainers of the module, let them know you want to help out with the docs). If you've any questions (or if you just want to chat), you can normally find someone in #docs on irc.gimp.org. If not, you can always ask on this mailing list. Also, it's probably best to have an up-to-date version of GNOME running (2.14 is the latest stable). If you're comfortable compiling yourself, you can get the latest CVS version using jhbuild: http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildOnUbuntu Otherwise, 2.14 should be okay to work from. For various other bits of info, check out: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Join which has a few links worth checking out. Thanks Don On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 10:25 -0700, Pete Smith wrote: > Hello! > > I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome > Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech > writing field and am quite familiar with business > writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have > written material for a variety of games and am looking > to expand my portfolio. > > At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would > like some pointers as to how to get involved. It > would also be easy for me to jump in and start off > with some proofreading for existing or recently > submitted documentation. > > I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I > might contribute! > > Regards, > Pete Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 18 13:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB473B0BAA for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05284-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D070D3B0BF7 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2239137uge for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr1001719ugm; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [83.179.129.70]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y1sm1347433uge.2006.06.18.10.24.09; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re ! From: karderio To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:24:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:25:31 -0000 Re everybody ! I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 release to be precise), and although I managed to read the mailing list from time to time, I have just not had the chance to get anything done. In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from where I lived in eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I have my brand new - slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running smoothly and am back to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may have seemed to have completely vanished, Internet access permitting, I've been doing a bit of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu Wiki. In passing, I'm just going to mention that the Wikipedia has an extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both about the desktop itself and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place as any to help people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am a die hard Gentoo user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the potential to finally drag a libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me this is essential. Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, and their documentation being on par with ours, they need any help they can get ;) [2]. Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside abode, I'm raving to get my teeth into some more documentation madness. In the next few days I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole documentation situation while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. Wishing you all happy hacking, love, Karderio [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 05:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893333B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01679-08 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6092D3B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 09:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060619091428.14786.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.214.70.28] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 BST Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Re ! To: karderio@gmail.com, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.606, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.558 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:15:16 -0000 Hi Karderio! Great to see that you're back and still interested in working on documentation. Joachim --- karderio wrote: > Re everybody ! > > I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 > release to be > precise), and although I managed to read the mailing > list from time to > time, I have just not had the chance to get anything > done. > > In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from > where I lived in > eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I > have my brand new - > slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running > smoothly and am back > to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may > have seemed to have > completely vanished, Internet access permitting, > I've been doing a bit > of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu > Wiki. > > In passing, I'm just going to mention that the > Wikipedia has an > extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both > about the desktop itself > and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place > as any to help > people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am > a die hard Gentoo > user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the > potential to finally drag a > libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me > this is essential. > Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, > and their > documentation being on par with ours, they need any > help they can get ;) > [2]. > > Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside > abode, I'm raving to > get my teeth into some more documentation madness. > In the next few days > I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole > documentation situation > while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. > > Wishing you all happy hacking, > > love, Karderio > > > > [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME > - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME > > [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From psankar@novell.com Tue Jun 20 03:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3103B0DE5; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31046-08; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kuulan.provo.novell.com (kuulan.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.86]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECC13B0EFC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from provo4-MTA by kuulan.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:16 -0600 Message-Id: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:09 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break References: <448D797E020000970000C073@kuulan.provo.novell.com> <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.487 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.487 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:01:07 -0000 Hello, > That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Sorry for the wrong string in the mail. >=20 > Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to > the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze > approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages > shouldn't be difficult to translate. Thanks a lot. >=20 > Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that > translators will know when to update their translations. The patch is committed to the Evolution 2.6 (gnome-2.14) branch. >=20 >=20 > Christian Sankar Novell, Inc.=20 Software for the Open Enterprise=99 http://www.novell.com From paolo.bacchilega@libero.it Tue Jun 20 12:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39F33B01C9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29388-10; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.libero.it (smtp7.libero.it [193.70.192.90]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8D93B0EA1; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (172.16.1.8) by smtp7.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 4464C609038C90BE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:55 +0200 Received: from smtp0.libero.it ([172.16.1.204]) by localhost (asav9.libero.it [193.70.192.87]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20713-03; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [151.53.96.255] (unknown [151.53.96.255]) by smtp0.libero.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAAD3355E9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: file-roller branched From: Paolo Bacchilega To: Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation , GNOME I18N List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.691 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -0.691 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:45:03 -0000 Hi, the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. Regards, Paolo. From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 12:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682BD3B0CE7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30189-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618623B0F6D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so390348wxd for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.130.3 with SMTP id c3mr10723588wxd; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.109.14 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:35 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Scott J. Harmon" Subject: Re: file-roller branched In-Reply-To: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Paolo Bacchilega , GNOME I18N List , Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:53:44 -0000 On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > changing bugs... Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get freeze break approval) ;-) From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 21 03:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94583B0AF9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17803-09; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582E73B0E2A; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjpZ001040; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjGc003626; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hh2W014630; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:44 -0400 Subject: Re: file-roller branched From: Alexander Larsson To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1150875824.16397.66.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME I18N List , "Scott J. Harmon" , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:43:53 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:53 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > > changing bugs... > > Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are > bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or > would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get > freeze break approval) ;-) I'm slightly annoyed at this listing of rules for when you need to branch. There is also the fact that 2.14 is *stable* and fixing bugs can destabilize it as much as adding features can. If you're unsure of the stability of bugfixes its very nice to be able to commit them to a branch immediately and then move the important and stable fixes to the stable branch. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted zombie photographer who hides his scarred face behind a mask. She's a wealthy cigar-chomping fairy princess on her way to prison for a murder she didn't commit. They fight crime! From harmon@ksu.edu Tue Jun 20 12:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B223B0E2A; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29748-09; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (smtp2.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.7.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52133B05F8; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.130.11.189] (dhcp19.user.cis.ksu.edu [129.130.11.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGnCK5017430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:20 -0500 From: "Scott J. Harmon" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060601) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paolo Bacchilega Subject: Re: file-roller branched References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1551/Tue Jun 20 08:37:21 2006 on virusfilter2.cc.ksu.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:05:15 -0400 Cc: GNOME I18N List , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:49:17 -0000 Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > Hi, > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture changing bugs... > Regards, > Paolo. > Thanks, Scott. From ramon.nogueira@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C009A3B012E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF43B02A2 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so849297nzp for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.11 with SMTP id u11mr5906676nzg; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.22.63 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:25:12 +0200 From: "Ramon Nogueira" To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Wiki-style documentation editing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:26:21 -0000 Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this list's archive search page when I tried to find it: I was looking through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process just to add one line. I would think this would be a pretty common occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? Thanks, Ramon From shurik179@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288D13B072E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08982-09 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3753B04B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so369716uge for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr3651710ugj; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7825300606241736g131be052hc8d39b1b526137fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:32 -0400 From: "Alexander Kirillov" To: "Joachim Noreiko" Subject: Re: Gedit manual (again) In-Reply-To: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:37:02 -0000 As one of the template authors, I can tell you that the templates were intended for short documents - for longer ones, like gedit manual, it definitely makes sense to have more top-level sections. And yes, the templates could use some updating As for lower-case "gedit", I'd suggest using just Gedit rather than &app; in the title. Sasha On 6/16/06, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing > lists being awkward.) > > I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, > and there's a few points I'd like advice on. > > Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", > with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a > lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in > the app, on the website and so on. > Compare with > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and > Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with > which I agree). What's the solution? > > Secondly, the manual closely follows the template > that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into > Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. > The problem with this is that the Usage section is > already very big, and stands to get bigger as there > are a lot of new features since the manual was last > updated. > This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: > it's a single very long page. > Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages > (and could someone remind me how), or split more > top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is > the title 'Usage' still accurate?) > > Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to > reflect this sort of thing? > And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very > long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to > gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there > anything there I can help with? > > [1] > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html > > Joachim > > > From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 25 08:59:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA4B3B009A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14431-03 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE403B0097 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so474028uge for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr4019953ugl; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [80.170.71.158]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm2864787uge.2006.06.25.05.59.11; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Ramon Nogueira In-Reply-To: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:59:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:59:52 -0000 Hi Ramon, > Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this > list's archive search page when I tried to find it It seems to be back up, I'm happy now :) > I was looking > through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I > wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this > list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to > know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a > disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something > useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process > just to add one line. No, I don't think you need to do all that. Just send the problem and proposed solution to this mailing list, if nobody can fix it straight away, at least it should get into the next update. Sorry about the out of date and not very useful information on the website, I believe there are people working on this... > I would think this would be a pretty common > occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good > thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? It would be nice if more people proposed corrections to the docs, unfortunately this doesn't seem to happen very often - the advice on the website may not help. Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all documentation. Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to propose your modifications... Love, Karderio From gnome-gnome-doc-list@m.gmane.org Mon Jun 26 03:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD9C3B00A0 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28104-09 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92913B00C9 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ful9o-0002JT-Ks for gnome-doc-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com ([81.178.87.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from mdke by 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org From: Matthew East Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:05:09 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060615 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:05:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * karderio: > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > documentation. > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > propose your modifications... Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEn4cltSaF0w5rBv8RAtMbAJ0SQPbWAlK/4sJEX4hAJMPijiTAtQCfZPtz CC0x3SJ3+/Ac3dLVmyPGuPA= =JxIC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 05:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592723B01AE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06360-02 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81C453B0217 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64937 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2006 09:32:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060626093227.64935.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.212.174.12] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 BST Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing To: Matthew East , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.681 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.729, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.681 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:32:31 -0000 --- Matthew East wrote: > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki > all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Interesting project. It's often occurred to me that there are a number of shortcuts that could be taken to turn wiki-type text into DocBook. For example, if we agree that a menu command is always introduced with the word 'choose' (which I think is what the style guide recommends anyway), then the parser can pick up on this. You'd write in the wiki: Choose File -> Open... and the parser would figure out to wrap all that up in all the many docbook tags (guimenu, guimenu item, etc) I was going to add this and other ideas to the wiki you've linked to but it requires a login. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From karderio@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 13:03:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EBB3B046C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02078-04 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3888F3B021C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so926969uge for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr5179337ugg; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [213.103.239.98]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1sm5133774ugf.2006.06.26.10.03.24; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Matthew East In-Reply-To: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:03:29 +0200 Message-Id: <1151341409.22086.21.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:03:29 -0000 Hi, > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject This would be fabulostupefedous ! I believe this sort of software would not only make all of our lives easier here at the GDP, but also encourage new contributors. I think this is definitely the way to go. I'm afraid I'm not optimistic enough to say that this might be "soon" though ;) Even if there was actually some software available that could just be installed and configured (MoinDocBookProject hasn't yet released anything, as far as I can see), these things are out of the scope of the GDP, and seem to take forever. Not to criticise whoever is working on the GNOME website that is, they probably need volunteers as much as we do (I'm currently trying to GNOMEify the look of live.gnome.org, with varying degrees of success). There is another online docbook collaborative editor, that has been mentionned here before and lives in GNOME CVS - http://live.gnome.org/LiveDocumentationEditing. I stumbled on another on the web - http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/. However neither of these seem actively maintained... So although it would be great to have this functionality, I don't see it being up for next week. However I think it shouldn't take a few hours to through the current documentation on the wiki, something we have complete control over and can do at the current time. If we decide to do this, perhaps I could hack up a script to pull the docs from cvs, index them and dump to the wiki, and another script to spit out the diffs. Btw Matt, I saw the documentation from the Ubuntu wiki had been put on the main Ubuntu website as "community docs", I find this *way cool*. Perhaps we could do the same thing for GNOME ? Love, Karderio. On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 08:05 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > * karderio: > > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > > documentation. > > > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > > propose your modifications... > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject > > Matt From gnome@nextreality.net Thu Jun 29 22:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875E93B0105; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20969-10; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3771B3B000D; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 4344E35904; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906DF35901; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44A48E2C.70506@nextreality.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:36:28 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Documentation , Shaun McCance , Don Scorgie Subject: yelp:cache implementation Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050509030100040606000000" X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the first rough pass at an implementation of a yelp:cache extension element. Shaun and I discussed this on IRC and basically the premise is that if a template depends solely on a xsl:param element that is passed to it, then we can cache the results of that template and if it is called again with the same parameter, then we look up the result in a hash table instead of performing all the XSLT again. A prime example of this is the db.number template. This template is responsible for calculating the numbers for a particular docbook section, and takes up quite a bit of processing time for docbook files with many sections and deep nesting. Since the same node is passed to the function often, a considerable amount of time is wasted recalculating something we've already done before. In comes the extension element. Yelp's db2html.xsl template now has the following (overriding the original version of this template in db-label.xsl) You can see that two attributes are required for the element. The key is unique value per template and is used in generating the key for the hash table lookup. The other required attribute is node, which right now must be a nodeset with a single node. The xmlNodePtr to this single node makes up the other part of the hash key. On the first call to the db.number template with a particular node, the extension element function will not find a value in the hash table. Therefore, it will apply the child elements of the yelp:cache element, and put the result in the hash table. On the second call with the same node, the extension element function finds the value in the hash table, and instantiates it in the result tree. So enough blabbing, here are the results before and after for the Gnumeric manual, which takes the longest time to process (by far). BEFORE: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:31:59]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:32:52]: leaving xslt_pager_process AFTER: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:30:10]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:30:35]: leaving xslt_pager_process Pretty dramatic!! Shaun had some concerns about localization, but I don't think this should affect it since the extension element function caches the actual result of the db.number.mode template. That is unless the result of db.number.mode is dependent on the depth of numbering as well as the $node parameter... Let me know your thoughts! -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="yelp-cache.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="yelp-cache.patch" ? data/info.xml ? m4/intltool.m4 ? po/stamp-it ? src/client-bindings.h ? src/server-bindings.h ? src/stylesheet Index: src/yelp-debug.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-debug.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.2 yelp-debug.c --- src/yelp-debug.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.2 +++ src/yelp-debug.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:19 -0000 @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include "yelp-debug.h" @@ -160,7 +161,16 @@ void yelp_debug (const gchar *file, } if (flags & DB_PROFILE) { + time_t t; + struct tm *tmp; + gchar timestamp[20]; + + t = time (NULL); + tmp = localtime(&t); + + strftime (timestamp, 20, "%T", tmp); formatted = g_strdup_vprintf (format, args); + g_fprintf (stdout, "PROFILE [%s]: %s\n", timestamp, formatted); str = g_strdup_printf ("MARK: %s: %s", g_get_prgname(), formatted); access (str, F_OK); g_free (formatted); Index: src/yelp-xslt-pager.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-xslt-pager.c,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -p -r1.17 yelp-xslt-pager.c --- src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.17 +++ src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -162,6 +162,7 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) GError *error = NULL; debug_print (DB_FUNCTION, "entering\n"); + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "entering %s", __FUNCTION__); g_return_val_if_fail (pager != NULL, FALSE); g_return_val_if_fail (YELP_IS_XSLT_PAGER (pager), FALSE); @@ -276,6 +277,8 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) } g_object_unref (pager); + + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "leaving %s", __FUNCTION__); return FALSE; } @@ -459,9 +462,113 @@ xslt_yelp_cache (xsltTransformContextPtr xmlNodePtr inst, xsltStylePreCompPtr comp) { + static GHashTable *keyhash; /* hash table of hash tables :-) */ + xmlXPathObjectPtr nodeexpr; + xsltStylesheetPtr style = NULL; + xmlNodePtr nodeptr; + xmlChar *keyprop; + xmlChar *nodeprop; + const char *old_outfile; + xmlDocPtr old_output; + xmlNodePtr old_insert; + xmlDocPtr new_doc = NULL; + xmlChar *page_buf; + gint buf_size; + gchar *key; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode2; + + if (!ctxt || !node || !inst || !comp) + return; + + keyprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "key"); + if (!keyprop) + return; + + nodeprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "node"); + if (!nodeprop) { + xmlFree (keyprop); + return; + } + + nodeexpr = xmlXPathEvalExpression (nodeprop, ctxt->xpathCtxt); + if (!nodeexpr) + goto done; + + /* if we haven't initialize the hash yet, do so */ + if (!keyhash) + keyhash = g_hash_table_new_full (g_str_hash, g_str_equal, g_free, xmlFree); + + if (nodeexpr->type != XPATH_NODESET) { + debug_print (DB_WARN, "node attribute did not evaluate to a nodeset\n"); + goto done; + } + + nodeptr = nodeexpr->nodesetval->nodeTab[0]; + /*g_print ("key=%s node=%s type=%d ptr=%p\n", (gchar *)keyprop, (gchar *)nodeprop, nodeexpr->type, nodeptr);*/ + + key = g_strdup_printf ("%s%p", keyprop, nodeptr); + tmpnode = g_hash_table_lookup (keyhash, key); + + if (tmpnode) { +/* g_print ("found cached result\n");*/ + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + g_free (key); + goto done; + } + + old_outfile = ctxt->outputFile; + old_output = ctxt->output; + old_insert = ctxt->insert; + ctxt->outputFile = "test"; + + style = xsltNewStylesheet (); + if (style == NULL) { + xsltTransformError (ctxt, NULL, inst, _("Out of memory")); + } + + style->omitXmlDeclaration = TRUE; + + new_doc = xmlNewDoc (BAD_CAST "1.0"); + new_doc->charset = XML_CHAR_ENCODING_UTF8; + new_doc->dict = ctxt->dict; + xmlDictReference (new_doc->dict); + + ctxt->output = new_doc; + ctxt->insert = (xmlNodePtr) new_doc; + xsltApplyOneTemplate (ctxt, node, inst->children, NULL, NULL); + + /*xsltSaveResultToString (&page_buf, &buf_size, new_doc, style); + + g_print ("page_buf = %s\n", page_buf);*/ + + ctxt->outputFile = old_outfile; + ctxt->output = old_output; + ctxt->insert = old_insert; + + /*for (tmpnode = new_doc->children; tmpnode != NULL; tmpnode = tmpnode->next) { + g_print ("type=%d name=%s\n", tmpnode->type, tmpnode->name); + }*/ + + tmpnode = xmlCopyNode (new_doc->children, 1); + g_hash_table_insert (keyhash, key, tmpnode); + + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + + /*g_print ("cached result\n");*/ while (gtk_events_pending ()) gtk_main_iteration (); /* FIXME : check for cancel */ + +done: + xmlFree (keyprop); + xmlFree (nodeprop); + if (new_doc) + xmlFreeDoc (new_doc); + if (style) + xsltFreeStylesheet (style); } Index: stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in,v retrieving revision 1.19 diff -u -p -r1.19 db2html.xsl.in --- stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 19 May 2005 22:41:16 -0000 1.19 +++ stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -58,6 +58,13 @@ + + + + + + + --------------050509030100040606000000-- From jorge.garcia.gonzalez@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3A53B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05937-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3183B0070 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1751935uge for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tgeS4Lo5/MYe0oQlMnQc/mWabBbpsmd869v0GSMq2Td20SiMpiwInSFEfDrDdqgoRgCuZdzRpyr7z8YOTF7KS0wdxhhgXyFAaJWfxnInM9ZWrcT1Qeq0bj0GHTy/Tu5K/+urXPtSW+51FH0AgVzKx0mAeQhe7H/a80Q/4FsLLBE= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr1239633hum; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.17.5 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:44:51 -0500 From: "jorge alberto garcia gonzalez" To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.765 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_10_20=1.351, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:08:55 -0400 Cc: Subject: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:44:53 -0000 ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file. The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody that check the translation. Thanks for l your time waste in this mail. Best regards. Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez. -- No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty module, before i use a coma based format file  for process all devices information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml file.

The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish,  only i want to know if i need  some place where  send you and somebody that check the translation.


Thanks for l your time waste in this mail.

Best regards.

Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez.




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No vivas solo por que respiras, vive para cumplir tus sue~os ------=_Part_25746_15871298.1149612291176-- From Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM Wed Jun 7 16:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13F3B015D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14055-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1A3B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k57KquO7011021 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J0I00G01CKJQG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM) for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([67.101.146.35]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J0I00DMHCO7QHZ2@mail-amer.sun.com> for docs@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:52:55 -0700 From: Lynn Monsanto Sender: Lynn.Monsanto@Sun.COM To: docs@gnome.org Message-id: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:35:14 -0400 Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:53:00 -0000 Hi all, I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Thanks! Lynn Monsanto Sun Accessibility Team From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 12:52:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D903B035C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08013-01; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAAA3B045C; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59GqPg2023697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:52:26 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: gnome-doc-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:52:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1149871945.22186.2.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.527 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.527 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Web Designers Wanted X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:52:35 -0000 I've just posted the following call for mockups to my blog: http://blogs.gnome.org/edit/shaunm/2006/06/09/0 Basically, I'm looking for talented designers to submit mockups for our help pages. I've been largely the sole designer of the layout for quite some time, and I think it'll be good to get a fresh perspective on things. Do feel free to post this anywhere you think we might get some fresh new contributors. This is a great opportunity to get non-programmers involved with Gnome. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBC33B11AA for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08941-03 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045E3B11A7 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59H7cd4025931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: jorge alberto garcia gonzalez In-Reply-To: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.451 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.451 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:07:41 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez wrote: > > Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching > a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working in a > configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty > module, before i use a coma based format file for process all devices > information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml > file. > > The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in > spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is > disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to spanish, > only i want to know if i need some place where send you and somebody > that check the translation. > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten the hang of it. Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel got sick of managing spam. -- Shaun From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Jun 9 13:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FD3B1153 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09661-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfram.com (mailhub.wolfram.com [140.177.10.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC65B3B11B8 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wri.wolfram.com [140.177.4.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by wolfram.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59HFiji026969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 From: Shaun McCance To: Lynn Monsanto In-Reply-To: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.528 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , docs@gnome.org Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:15:50 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. Hi Lynn, There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our platform offering. Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. -- Shaun From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jun 9 15:44:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99FF3B0209 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16438-10 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122B93B009F for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuL-0005Y6-1H; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FomuJ-0002Q6-TI; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:44:35 +0100 From: Don Scorgie To: docs@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> References: <44873CA7.6030003@sun.com> <1149873344.22186.26.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:45:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1149882318.25215.14.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.483 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.483 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Willie Walker , Lynn Monsanto Subject: Re: yelp accessibility for people with disabilities X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:44:48 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 12:15 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:52 -0700, Lynn Monsanto wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working on Orca, a screen reader and magnifier for people with > > disabilities (see http://live.gnome.org/Orca). I'm working on > > accessibility to yelp, and discovered that yelp uses mozilla to present > > help information. A screen reader like Orca works by speaking the > > contents of the desktop component that has keyboard focus. In the case > > of yelp, Orca speaks the help information displayed by mozilla. > > > > Yelp currently has some accessibility problems that it shares with > > Firefox. We are working with the Firefox team to fix the accessibility > > problems in Firefox 3. It would be great if the Firefox fixes also fix > > some (or all) of the accessibility problems in yelp. This would occur > > is yelp shares the same mozilla libraries that Firefox uses. Could > > someone enlighten me about the relationship between the mozilla that > > Firefox uses compared to mozilla that yelp uses. > > Hi Lynn, > > There's a long-standing bug about accessibility problems in Yelp: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157941 > > It's not so much a single outstanding issue, but rather a single > bug number where we keep getting reports of all the issues that > crop up. Bill Haneman has been involved in these discussions. > I'm sure you must talk to him regularly. > > As for Yelp's relationship to Firefox, Yelp uses the same checks > as Epiphany to decide which Gecko library to build against. It > checks for mozilla, seamonkey, firefox, thunderbird, and xulrunner. > I think most large vendors are shipping Yelp built against Firefox, > although I would like to see xulrunner become a core piece of our > platform offering. > > Accessibility improvements in Firefox should trickle down to Yelp. > Even if Yelp isn't built against Firefox, those sorts of changes > should propagate through the various Mozilla projects. If there > are problems in Yelp that don't happen in other Gecko programs, > we'd like to know. Gecko isn't the easiest library to work with, > and sometimes we just don't have everything hooked up right. Hi Lynn, Just to add (to save trawling through the bug report): Yelp uses gtkmozembed stream API (for the most part). The biggest problem arises because of mozilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293670 (streams don't emit a children_changed::add signal) Currently Yelp works around this by emitting the signal a few seconds after the page has loaded. It isn't a very good workaround, but its better than nothing. Apart from this problem, the reading of menus in docbook files (well, the HTML generated from docbook file) is fairly inconsistent when using gnopernicus (sorry, haven't tried Orca yet). This can be seen by opening a manual (e.g. the gnome user guide) to the front page (with the list of content) and trying to get this read by a screen reader. I don't know if Orca is affected by this, nor whether firefox / epiphany suffer from this. Don From clytie@riverland.net.au Sat Jun 10 03:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324D3B02DD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16365-03 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ash25e.internode.on.net (ash25e.internode.on.net [203.16.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9203B028B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp222-184.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.222.184]) by ash25e.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5A7aPYK064583 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> References: <89a913ed0606060944t685692fbv431befcdfae5429@mail.gmail.com> <1149872858.22186.18.camel@shaunmlx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13EE5709-B0CE-4A93-92D7-C3C8880E6717@riverland.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Clytie Siddall Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:25 +0930 To: GNOME Documentation X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.694 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.747, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.694 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: libxml tutorial translation to spanish X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:36:32 -0000 On 10/06/2006, at 2:37 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:44 -0500, jorge alberto garcia gonzalez =20 > wrote: >> >> Hello, my name is Jorge Alberto Garcia Gonzalez, i have bee searching >> a good tutorial about libxml o xerces because i have been working =20 >> in a >> configuration tool for multiterminals linux machines with the faketty >> module, before i use a coma based format file for process all =20 >> devices >> information ( keyboard, mouse, etc) but now i am working with an xml >> file. >> >> The point is that i never found a good tutorial or documentation in >> spanish about the subject, all information is in english and is >> disperse, then i would like to help making the translation to =20 >> spanish, >> only i want to know if i need some place where send you and =20 >> somebody >> that check the translation. >> > > libxml2 has very complete API documentation, but it's lacking good > high-level overviews. It has a dauntingly large API, and it's hard > to get started with. It's an incredible library once you've gotten > the hang of it. > > Daniel Veillard maintains libxml2 and its documentation. The API > documentation is extracted directly from source code comments, > and I'm not sure if he has any system in placefor translation. > You should ask on the xml@gnome.org mailing list. If I recall > correctly, you must be subscribed to the list to post. Daniel > got sick of managing spam. The Gnome Spanish Translation Team might also know where there are =20 useful translated documents: it's always worth asking your local =20 language team about anything related to translation. :) http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/teams.html from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F27C3B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09180-05 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7513B0091 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1919217uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.610, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.652 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:34:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7AC3B0125 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15119-06 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEA53B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so870453wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:01:17 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From psankar@novell.com Mon Jun 12 04:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B843B0078; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26666-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630343B00A6; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:31 -0600 Message-Id: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:39:25 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.486 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.486 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Harish Krishnaswamy Subject: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:40:26 -0000 Hi, As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to review and approve this string-addition. The new string added is: Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. Please check Email Id and try again. Thanks, Sankar P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 12 07:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BE13B0061; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31499-08; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D43B00A7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:00:08 -0600 From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: "Sankar(P Sankar)" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:33:16 +0530 Message-Id: <1150110196.6243.39.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:00:55 -0000 Adding a few relevant details : 1. The request for the freeze break is on Evolution 2.6 branch (gnome-2-14). 2. It is already available in the trunk. Correct me if I am wrong. --Harish On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 04:39 -0400, Sankar(P Sankar) wrote: > Hi, > > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. > > Thanks, > Sankar > > P.S: Please CC me in the replies. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From rosechr@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 14:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AF93B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24567-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB1F3B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2491280uge for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bVIMKy1ZP60e03bAE2lHM7MpdcsRLfvCrHZ2Jk1Jtlp+mVpVVNjiVRtif49q2icj6r75us2C9VLG69+uTeobsxh24QIC9jFGkKEaIpczX6uxj582325CW5RGfbFTPaMQ9RO99pIFh2dY/eiNnAjV94mBi4PMqhnW5DGgzENkShY= Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr14229hus; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606121118u44c662dfw8b9f5006b8e23637@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:48 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "P Sankar" In-Reply-To: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <448CEFFD020000E70000E0BA@sinclair.provo.novell.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f5da27dc8f88787 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.552 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.510, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.552 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:26:56 -0000 On 6/12/06, P Sankar wrote: > As part of fixing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340535 for > Evolution, I have made a patch, which breaks the string-freeze by adding > a new string. If this is not committed, the user will be annoyed to see > nothing being happened after his action (proxy-login). I request to > review and approve this string-addition. > > The new string added is: > > Proxy login as "" was unsuccessful. > Please check Email Id and try again. That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages shouldn't be difficult to translate. Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that translators will know when to update their translations. Christian From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 03:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8C13B00F5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14656-04 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.203]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AC203B00D9 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79758 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2006 07:34:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MB6117q6wJCPOP5YA7ibJy223yjcF5xJPwAyaNY/3GVBEUzR5kvSIypydXId60m2pYfLvVm80VYFTwFJYMiyQGtgc9aS8KKAPtTtoqFNWleAP6iB34dS4H+551ADT3BCRaszZmV4QUP7ihfeOniBJlJuC4VfFE/LtGJK/eU8YDE= ; Message-ID: <20060613073424.79756.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.213.90.179] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 BST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.642 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.690, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.642 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Gedit manual X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:36:28 -0000 I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split Usage into several top-level sections? Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From clytie@riverland.net.au Tue Jun 13 09:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E013B00AF for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24675-06 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F253B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.91] (ppp216-216.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.122.216.216]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5DDSnvI022663 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:49 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from clytie@riverland.net.au) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <98E034E5-146A-41FB-AC56-F75FFF9910A4@riverland.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: GNOME Documentation From: Clytie Siddall Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:48 +0930 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.943 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.489, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.943 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Typo in desktop-fdl X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:29:51 -0000 Hi guys :) I've found a typo in the desktop-fdl PO file (the GNU Free =20 Documentation Licence). How do I report it? Does this mean the original version at GNU also has this typo? ___ 1. po:55 Original: =E2=8C=980 You may extract a single document from = such a =20 collection, and dispbibute it individually under this License, =20 provided you insert a copy of this License into the extracted =20 document, and follow this License in all other respects regarding =20 verbatim copying of that document. - dispbibute + distribute ___ Thanks for any advice you can offer on this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nh=C3=B3m = =20 Vi=E1=BB=87t h=C3=B3a ph=E1=BA=A7n m=E1=BB=81m t=E1=BB=B1 do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 13:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBD83B017F for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08309-01 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FFC3B0183 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 69468 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 17:30:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.143.24.200] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 BST Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:30:41 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Gedit manual (again) To: GNOME Documentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.647 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.695, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.647 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:31:43 -0000 (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing lists being awkward.) I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, and there's a few points I'd like advice on. Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in the app, on the website and so on. Compare with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with which I agree). What's the solution? Secondly, the manual closely follows the template that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. The problem with this is that the Usage section is already very big, and stands to get bigger as there are a lot of new features since the manual was last updated. This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: it's a single very long page. Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages (and could someone remind me how), or split more top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is the title 'Usage' still accurate?) Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to reflect this sort of thing? And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there anything there I can help with? [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html Joachim ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From captain_peet@yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 13:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026643B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24059-09 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6D853B0081 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64715 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 17:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.161.216.110] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Smith Subject: GDP volunteering To: docs@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.648 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 1.648 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:56:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:26:42 -0000 Hello! I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech writing field and am quite familiar with business writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have written material for a variety of games and am looking to expand my portfolio. At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would like some pointers as to how to get involved. It would also be easy for me to jump in and start off with some proofreading for existing or recently submitted documentation. I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I might contribute! Regards, Pete Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DonScorgie@Blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 18 11:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8640C3B0B7A for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01065-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35783B0BC1 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSb-0008IN-Gv; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from [82.41.205.39] (helo=[192.168.1.1]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FrzSa-0005iw-QF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:12 +0100 Subject: Re: GDP volunteering From: Don Scorgie To: Pete Smith In-Reply-To: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614172545.64713.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1150645513.10077.19.camel@Madaline> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: Cc: docs@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:46:01 -0000 Hi Pete Glad to see you want to help out. The best bet for helping out would be to grab one of the help documents and update it ;) A lot of the docs are a bit out of date just now, so there is plenty to do. A list of what people are working on currently can be found at: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Team (Not sure how up-to-date it is though). Once you got something you want to work on, add your name to the page (and probably best contact the maintainers of the module, let them know you want to help out with the docs). If you've any questions (or if you just want to chat), you can normally find someone in #docs on irc.gimp.org. If not, you can always ask on this mailing list. Also, it's probably best to have an up-to-date version of GNOME running (2.14 is the latest stable). If you're comfortable compiling yourself, you can get the latest CVS version using jhbuild: http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildOnUbuntu Otherwise, 2.14 should be okay to work from. For various other bits of info, check out: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Join which has a few links worth checking out. Thanks Don On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 10:25 -0700, Pete Smith wrote: > Hello! > > I am interested for volunteering on the Gnome > Documentation Project. I am starting out in the tech > writing field and am quite familiar with business > writing and proofreading. On a volunteer basis I have > written material for a variety of games and am looking > to expand my portfolio. > > At present I don't know a lot about GNOME and would > like some pointers as to how to get involved. It > would also be easy for me to jump in and start off > with some proofreading for existing or recently > submitted documentation. > > I look forward to hearing back from you about ways I > might contribute! > > Regards, > Pete Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 18 13:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB473B0BAA for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05284-03 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D070D3B0BF7 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so2239137uge for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr1001719ugm; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? 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I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 release to be precise), and although I managed to read the mailing list from time to time, I have just not had the chance to get anything done. In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from where I lived in eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I have my brand new - slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running smoothly and am back to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may have seemed to have completely vanished, Internet access permitting, I've been doing a bit of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu Wiki. In passing, I'm just going to mention that the Wikipedia has an extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both about the desktop itself and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place as any to help people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am a die hard Gentoo user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the potential to finally drag a libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me this is essential. Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, and their documentation being on par with ours, they need any help they can get ;) [2]. Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside abode, I'm raving to get my teeth into some more documentation madness. In the next few days I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole documentation situation while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. Wishing you all happy hacking, love, Karderio [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 05:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893333B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01679-08 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6092D3B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 09:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060619091428.14786.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.214.70.28] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 BST Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:28 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Re ! To: karderio@gmail.com, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150651445.29286.30.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.606, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.558 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:15:16 -0000 Hi Karderio! Great to see that you're back and still interested in working on documentation. Joachim --- karderio wrote: > Re everybody ! > > I've been away for some time (since just before 2.14 > release to be > precise), and although I managed to read the mailing > list from time to > time, I have just not had the chance to get anything > done. > > In the past few months I've moved 50km south, from > where I lived in > eastern France, to just above La Rochelle. Finally I > have my brand new - > slower than ever - ADSL connection up and running > smoothly and am back > to tinker where I may. Although to you here I may > have seemed to have > completely vanished, Internet access permitting, > I've been doing a bit > of editing both on the Wikipedia and the Ubuntu > Wiki. > > In passing, I'm just going to mention that the > Wikipedia has an > extensive series of articles on GNOME [1], both > about the desktop itself > and GNOME applications. I view it as a good a place > as any to help > people discover and learn about GNOME. Although I am > a die hard Gentoo > user, I currently view Ubuntu as having the > potential to finally drag a > libre software desktop into the mainstream - to me > this is essential. > Ubuntu is more and more a major showcase for GNOME, > and their > documentation being on par with ours, they need any > help they can get ;) > [2]. > > Anyhow, armed with my new office in my countryside > abode, I'm raving to > get my teeth into some more documentation madness. > In the next few days > I'm planning on getting an overview of the whole > documentation situation > while taking a mop and bucket to the wiki. > > Wishing you all happy hacking, > > love, Karderio > > > > [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME > - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GNOME > > [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-doc-list mailing list > gnome-doc-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From psankar@novell.com Tue Jun 20 03:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3103B0DE5; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31046-08; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kuulan.provo.novell.com (kuulan.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.86]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECC13B0EFC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from provo4-MTA by kuulan.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:16 -0600 Message-Id: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:34:09 -0600 From: "P Sankar" To: Subject: Re: Request for String-freeze break References: <448D797E020000970000C073@kuulan.provo.novell.com> <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44975EA1020000E70000EBB1@kuulan.provo.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.487 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.487 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Harish Krishnaswamy , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:01:07 -0000 Hello, > That is not the strings in the patch attached to the bug report... Sorry for the wrong string in the mail. >=20 > Assuming that it is actually the two strings in the patch attached to > the bug report that will go in, that patch has my string freeze > approval. It sounds like a real problem, and the two messages > shouldn't be difficult to translate. Thanks a lot. >=20 > Please let gnome-i18n know when the patch has been committed, so that > translators will know when to update their translations. The patch is committed to the Evolution 2.6 (gnome-2.14) branch. >=20 >=20 > Christian Sankar Novell, Inc.=20 Software for the Open Enterprise=99 http://www.novell.com From paolo.bacchilega@libero.it Tue Jun 20 12:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39F33B01C9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29388-10; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.libero.it (smtp7.libero.it [193.70.192.90]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8D93B0EA1; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (172.16.1.8) by smtp7.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 4464C609038C90BE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:55 +0200 Received: from smtp0.libero.it ([172.16.1.204]) by localhost (asav9.libero.it [193.70.192.87]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20713-03; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [151.53.96.255] (unknown [151.53.96.255]) by smtp0.libero.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAAD3355E9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: file-roller branched From: Paolo Bacchilega To: Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation , GNOME I18N List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:27:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.691 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -0.691 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:45:03 -0000 Hi, the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. Regards, Paolo. From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 12:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682BD3B0CE7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30189-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618623B0F6D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so390348wxd for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.130.3 with SMTP id c3mr10723588wxd; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.109.14 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:35 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Scott J. Harmon" Subject: Re: file-roller branched In-Reply-To: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Paolo Bacchilega , GNOME I18N List , Desktop Devel , GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:53:44 -0000 On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > changing bugs... Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get freeze break approval) ;-) From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 21 03:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94583B0AF9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17803-09; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582E73B0E2A; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjpZ001040; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hjGc003626; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5L7hh2W014630; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:43:44 -0400 Subject: Re: file-roller branched From: Alexander Larsson To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> <51419b2c0606200953x64b2491ep2753b956ad736e78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1150875824.16397.66.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME I18N List , "Scott J. Harmon" , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:43:53 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:53 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon wrote: > > Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > > > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > > > > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > > > > > > > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture > > changing bugs... > > Not quite -- bug fixing also can't be done on the branch if they are > bugs which would require modifying translatable strings or the UI or > would need some new feature to fix... (unless, of course, you get > freeze break approval) ;-) I'm slightly annoyed at this listing of rules for when you need to branch. There is also the fact that 2.14 is *stable* and fixing bugs can destabilize it as much as adding features can. If you're unsure of the stability of bugfixes its very nice to be able to commit them to a branch immediately and then move the important and stable fixes to the stable branch. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted zombie photographer who hides his scarred face behind a mask. She's a wealthy cigar-chomping fairy princess on her way to prison for a murder she didn't commit. They fight crime! From harmon@ksu.edu Tue Jun 20 12:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B223B0E2A; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29748-09; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (smtp2.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.7.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52133B05F8; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.130.11.189] (dhcp19.user.cis.ksu.edu [129.130.11.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.cc.ksu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGnCK5017430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4498274C.1050005@ksu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:20 -0500 From: "Scott J. Harmon" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060601) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paolo Bacchilega Subject: Re: file-roller branched References: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1150820866.11819.10.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1551/Tue Jun 20 08:37:21 2006 on virusfilter2.cc.ksu.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:05:15 -0400 Cc: GNOME I18N List , GNOME Documentation , Desktop Devel X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:49:17 -0000 Paolo Bacchilega wrote: > Hi, > > the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, > HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 > > Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. > Bug fixing can be done without branching unless these are architecture changing bugs... > Regards, > Paolo. > Thanks, Scott. From ramon.nogueira@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C009A3B012E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF43B02A2 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so849297nzp for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.11 with SMTP id u11mr5906676nzg; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.22.63 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:25:12 +0200 From: "Ramon Nogueira" To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Subject: Wiki-style documentation editing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:26:21 -0000 Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this list's archive search page when I tried to find it: I was looking through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process just to add one line. I would think this would be a pretty common occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? Thanks, Ramon From shurik179@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 20:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288D13B072E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08982-09 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3753B04B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so369716uge for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr3651710ugj; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7825300606241736g131be052hc8d39b1b526137fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:32 -0400 From: "Alexander Kirillov" To: "Joachim Noreiko" Subject: Re: Gedit manual (again) In-Reply-To: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060616173041.69466.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Documentation X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:37:02 -0000 As one of the template authors, I can tell you that the templates were intended for short documents - for longer ones, like gedit manual, it definitely makes sense to have more top-level sections. And yes, the templates could use some updating As for lower-case "gedit", I'd suggest using just Gedit rather than &app; in the title. Sasha On 6/16/06, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > (Resending this because Shaun didn't get it, mailing > lists being awkward.) > > I've started to take a look at the manual for gedit, > and there's a few points I'd like advice on. > > Firstly, the title of the manual is "gedit Manual", > with a lowercase g because &app; is defined with a > lowercase g -- gedit is always seen in lowercase, in > the app, on the website and so on. > Compare with > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344544, and > Shaun's comment that lowercase titles are bad (with > which I agree). What's the solution? > > Secondly, the manual closely follows the template > that's on the developer website [1]. It's divided into > Intro, Getting Started, and Usage. > The problem with this is that the Usage section is > already very big, and stands to get bigger as there > are a lot of new features since the manual was last > updated. > This would be ok if Yelp split it up, but it doesn't: > it's a single very long page. > Should I force Yelp to split the section into pages > (and could someone remind me how), or split more > top-level sections out of Usage? (And in that case, is > the title 'Usage' still accurate?) > > Sort of thirdly, should the template be updated to > reflect this sort of thing? > And while I'm on the subject of the templates, a very > long time ago Shaun told me they needed updating to > gnome-doc-utils. Has that been done yet? Is there > anything there I can help with? > > [1] > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html > > Joachim > > > From karderio@gmail.com Sun Jun 25 08:59:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA4B3B009A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14431-03 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE403B0097 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so474028uge for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr4019953ugl; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [80.170.71.158]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm2864787uge.2006.06.25.05.59.11; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Ramon Nogueira In-Reply-To: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:59:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:59:52 -0000 Hi Ramon, > Hi I'm sure this has been raised before but I got a 404 for this > list's archive search page when I tried to find it It seems to be back up, I'm happy now :) > I was looking > through the glib api docs (which I thought were excellent) and I > wanted to add something. The recommendation was that I post to this > list and discuss it here, then make changes via CVS. What I want to > know is: is this really necessary? Is it not too much of a > disincentive for someone just browsing who happens to have something > useful to add but doesn't really want to go through a whole Process > just to add one line. No, I don't think you need to do all that. Just send the problem and proposed solution to this mailing list, if nobody can fix it straight away, at least it should get into the next update. Sorry about the out of date and not very useful information on the website, I believe there are people working on this... > I would think this would be a pretty common > occurence. Surely, 99% of the time, more documentation is a good > thing? Is this something that is being considered? If not, why not? It would be nice if more people proposed corrections to the docs, unfortunately this doesn't seem to happen very often - the advice on the website may not help. Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all documentation. Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to propose your modifications... Love, Karderio From gnome-gnome-doc-list@m.gmane.org Mon Jun 26 03:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD9C3B00A0 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28104-09 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92913B00C9 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ful9o-0002JT-Ks for gnome-doc-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com ([81.178.87.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 Received: from mdke by 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:05:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org From: Matthew East Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:05:09 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-178-87-156.dsl.pipex.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060615 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:05:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, * karderio: > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > documentation. > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > propose your modifications... Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEn4cltSaF0w5rBv8RAtMbAJ0SQPbWAlK/4sJEX4hAJMPijiTAtQCfZPtz CC0x3SJ3+/Ac3dLVmyPGuPA= =JxIC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jnoreiko@yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 05:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592723B01AE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06360-02 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81C453B0217 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64937 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2006 09:32:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060626093227.64935.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.212.174.12] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 BST Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:32:27 +0100 (BST) From: Joachim Noreiko Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing To: Matthew East , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.681 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.729, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -1.681 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:32:31 -0000 --- Matthew East wrote: > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki > all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject Interesting project. It's often occurred to me that there are a number of shortcuts that could be taken to turn wiki-type text into DocBook. For example, if we agree that a menu command is always introduced with the word 'choose' (which I think is what the style guide recommends anyway), then the parser can pick up on this. You'd write in the wiki: Choose File -> Open... and the parser would figure out to wrap all that up in all the many docbook tags (guimenu, guimenu item, etc) I was going to add this and other ideas to the wiki you've linked to but it requires a login. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From karderio@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 13:03:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EBB3B046C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02078-04 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3888F3B021C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so926969uge for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr5179337ugg; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ( [213.103.239.98]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1sm5133774ugf.2006.06.26.10.03.24; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wiki-style documentation editing From: karderio To: Matthew East In-Reply-To: References: <536dcb440606241725p420870cdi7a8429d6a51c52a8@mail.gmail.com> <1151240355.14272.20.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: karderio Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:03:29 +0200 Message-Id: <1151341409.22086.21.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: karderio@gmail.com List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:03:29 -0000 Hi, > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject This would be fabulostupefedous ! I believe this sort of software would not only make all of our lives easier here at the GDP, but also encourage new contributors. I think this is definitely the way to go. I'm afraid I'm not optimistic enough to say that this might be "soon" though ;) Even if there was actually some software available that could just be installed and configured (MoinDocBookProject hasn't yet released anything, as far as I can see), these things are out of the scope of the GDP, and seem to take forever. Not to criticise whoever is working on the GNOME website that is, they probably need volunteers as much as we do (I'm currently trying to GNOMEify the look of live.gnome.org, with varying degrees of success). There is another online docbook collaborative editor, that has been mentionned here before and lives in GNOME CVS - http://live.gnome.org/LiveDocumentationEditing. I stumbled on another on the web - http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/. However neither of these seem actively maintained... So although it would be great to have this functionality, I don't see it being up for next week. However I think it shouldn't take a few hours to through the current documentation on the wiki, something we have complete control over and can do at the current time. If we decide to do this, perhaps I could hack up a script to pull the docs from cvs, index them and dump to the wiki, and another script to spit out the diffs. Btw Matt, I saw the documentation from the Ubuntu wiki had been put on the main Ubuntu website as "community docs", I find this *way cool*. Perhaps we could do the same thing for GNOME ? Love, Karderio. On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 08:05 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > * karderio: > > Here's an idea guys : why not dump *all* documentation to the wiki, with > > minimal formatting and a nice complete index. If anybody finds a problem > > with the documentation, they just go to the wiki and post their > > corrections. We could write a nice howto, and point to it from all > > documentation. > > > > Before each release, we do a diff to get the changes, and integrate any > > interesting changes. After the next release, we dump the new docs to the > > wiki, ready for any changes. On each wiki page for these docs, you have > > a big box saying that this is not the documentation, but the place to > > propose your modifications... > > Soon it will be possible to simply work in the wiki all the time, if you > choose to adopt that road - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject > > Matt From gnome@nextreality.net Thu Jun 29 22:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875E93B0105; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20969-10; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3771B3B000D; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 4344E35904; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906DF35901; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44A48E2C.70506@nextreality.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:36:28 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Documentation , Shaun McCance , Don Scorgie Subject: yelp:cache implementation Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050509030100040606000000" X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME documentation issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:36:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the first rough pass at an implementation of a yelp:cache extension element. Shaun and I discussed this on IRC and basically the premise is that if a template depends solely on a xsl:param element that is passed to it, then we can cache the results of that template and if it is called again with the same parameter, then we look up the result in a hash table instead of performing all the XSLT again. A prime example of this is the db.number template. This template is responsible for calculating the numbers for a particular docbook section, and takes up quite a bit of processing time for docbook files with many sections and deep nesting. Since the same node is passed to the function often, a considerable amount of time is wasted recalculating something we've already done before. In comes the extension element. Yelp's db2html.xsl template now has the following (overriding the original version of this template in db-label.xsl) You can see that two attributes are required for the element. The key is unique value per template and is used in generating the key for the hash table lookup. The other required attribute is node, which right now must be a nodeset with a single node. The xmlNodePtr to this single node makes up the other part of the hash key. On the first call to the db.number template with a particular node, the extension element function will not find a value in the hash table. Therefore, it will apply the child elements of the yelp:cache element, and put the result in the hash table. On the second call with the same node, the extension element function finds the value in the hash table, and instantiates it in the result tree. So enough blabbing, here are the results before and after for the Gnumeric manual, which takes the longest time to process (by far). BEFORE: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:31:59]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:32:52]: leaving xslt_pager_process AFTER: smitten@home:/extra/cvs/gnome2/yelp-head2$ YELP_DEBUG="enable-profiling" /opt/gnome2/bin/yelp PROFILE [20:30:10]: entering xslt_pager_process PROFILE [20:30:35]: leaving xslt_pager_process Pretty dramatic!! Shaun had some concerns about localization, but I don't think this should affect it since the extension element function caches the actual result of the db.number.mode template. That is unless the result of db.number.mode is dependent on the depth of numbering as well as the $node parameter... Let me know your thoughts! -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten --------------050509030100040606000000 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="yelp-cache.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="yelp-cache.patch" ? data/info.xml ? m4/intltool.m4 ? po/stamp-it ? src/client-bindings.h ? src/server-bindings.h ? src/stylesheet Index: src/yelp-debug.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-debug.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.2 yelp-debug.c --- src/yelp-debug.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.2 +++ src/yelp-debug.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:19 -0000 @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include "yelp-debug.h" @@ -160,7 +161,16 @@ void yelp_debug (const gchar *file, } if (flags & DB_PROFILE) { + time_t t; + struct tm *tmp; + gchar timestamp[20]; + + t = time (NULL); + tmp = localtime(&t); + + strftime (timestamp, 20, "%T", tmp); formatted = g_strdup_vprintf (format, args); + g_fprintf (stdout, "PROFILE [%s]: %s\n", timestamp, formatted); str = g_strdup_printf ("MARK: %s: %s", g_get_prgname(), formatted); access (str, F_OK); g_free (formatted); Index: src/yelp-xslt-pager.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/src/yelp-xslt-pager.c,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -p -r1.17 yelp-xslt-pager.c --- src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 12 Jun 2006 04:39:59 -0000 1.17 +++ src/yelp-xslt-pager.c 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -162,6 +162,7 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) GError *error = NULL; debug_print (DB_FUNCTION, "entering\n"); + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "entering %s", __FUNCTION__); g_return_val_if_fail (pager != NULL, FALSE); g_return_val_if_fail (YELP_IS_XSLT_PAGER (pager), FALSE); @@ -276,6 +277,8 @@ xslt_pager_process (YelpPager *pager) } g_object_unref (pager); + + debug_print (DB_PROFILE, "leaving %s", __FUNCTION__); return FALSE; } @@ -459,9 +462,113 @@ xslt_yelp_cache (xsltTransformContextPtr xmlNodePtr inst, xsltStylePreCompPtr comp) { + static GHashTable *keyhash; /* hash table of hash tables :-) */ + xmlXPathObjectPtr nodeexpr; + xsltStylesheetPtr style = NULL; + xmlNodePtr nodeptr; + xmlChar *keyprop; + xmlChar *nodeprop; + const char *old_outfile; + xmlDocPtr old_output; + xmlNodePtr old_insert; + xmlDocPtr new_doc = NULL; + xmlChar *page_buf; + gint buf_size; + gchar *key; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode; + xmlNodePtr tmpnode2; + + if (!ctxt || !node || !inst || !comp) + return; + + keyprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "key"); + if (!keyprop) + return; + + nodeprop = xmlGetProp (inst, BAD_CAST "node"); + if (!nodeprop) { + xmlFree (keyprop); + return; + } + + nodeexpr = xmlXPathEvalExpression (nodeprop, ctxt->xpathCtxt); + if (!nodeexpr) + goto done; + + /* if we haven't initialize the hash yet, do so */ + if (!keyhash) + keyhash = g_hash_table_new_full (g_str_hash, g_str_equal, g_free, xmlFree); + + if (nodeexpr->type != XPATH_NODESET) { + debug_print (DB_WARN, "node attribute did not evaluate to a nodeset\n"); + goto done; + } + + nodeptr = nodeexpr->nodesetval->nodeTab[0]; + /*g_print ("key=%s node=%s type=%d ptr=%p\n", (gchar *)keyprop, (gchar *)nodeprop, nodeexpr->type, nodeptr);*/ + + key = g_strdup_printf ("%s%p", keyprop, nodeptr); + tmpnode = g_hash_table_lookup (keyhash, key); + + if (tmpnode) { +/* g_print ("found cached result\n");*/ + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + g_free (key); + goto done; + } + + old_outfile = ctxt->outputFile; + old_output = ctxt->output; + old_insert = ctxt->insert; + ctxt->outputFile = "test"; + + style = xsltNewStylesheet (); + if (style == NULL) { + xsltTransformError (ctxt, NULL, inst, _("Out of memory")); + } + + style->omitXmlDeclaration = TRUE; + + new_doc = xmlNewDoc (BAD_CAST "1.0"); + new_doc->charset = XML_CHAR_ENCODING_UTF8; + new_doc->dict = ctxt->dict; + xmlDictReference (new_doc->dict); + + ctxt->output = new_doc; + ctxt->insert = (xmlNodePtr) new_doc; + xsltApplyOneTemplate (ctxt, node, inst->children, NULL, NULL); + + /*xsltSaveResultToString (&page_buf, &buf_size, new_doc, style); + + g_print ("page_buf = %s\n", page_buf);*/ + + ctxt->outputFile = old_outfile; + ctxt->output = old_output; + ctxt->insert = old_insert; + + /*for (tmpnode = new_doc->children; tmpnode != NULL; tmpnode = tmpnode->next) { + g_print ("type=%d name=%s\n", tmpnode->type, tmpnode->name); + }*/ + + tmpnode = xmlCopyNode (new_doc->children, 1); + g_hash_table_insert (keyhash, key, tmpnode); + + tmpnode2 = xmlDocCopyNode (tmpnode, tmpnode->doc, 1); + xmlAddChild (ctxt->insert, tmpnode2); + + /*g_print ("cached result\n");*/ while (gtk_events_pending ()) gtk_main_iteration (); /* FIXME : check for cancel */ + +done: + xmlFree (keyprop); + xmlFree (nodeprop); + if (new_doc) + xmlFreeDoc (new_doc); + if (style) + xsltFreeStylesheet (style); } Index: stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/yelp/stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in,v retrieving revision 1.19 diff -u -p -r1.19 db2html.xsl.in --- stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 19 May 2005 22:41:16 -0000 1.19 +++ stylesheets/db2html.xsl.in 30 Jun 2006 02:12:20 -0000 @@ -58,6 +58,13 @@ + + + + + + + --------------050509030100040606000000--