From Shane.Nuessler@canberra.edu.au Wed Jul 1 05:49:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A8A7503CC for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:49:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.702 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.702 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [137.92.97.22] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xXhbPZj7vwxB for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:49:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aires.canberra.edu.au (aires.canberra.edu.au [137.92.97.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8F875026F for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:49:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au (Not Verified[137.92.98.19]) by aires.canberra.edu.au id ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:49:27 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9FA0F.77457D09" Subject: Anyone heard of Etoile? Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:47:48 +1000 Message-ID: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EE5C@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anyone heard of Etoile? thread-index: Acn6D3dTMynPw6DiRAu0ne6vKryKjg== From: "Shane.Nuessler" To: X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:49:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9FA0F.77457D09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Based on GNUStep it has overlays, side bars etc. Looks interesting and some ideas may be closely related re gnome-shell. =20 http://etoileos.com/etoile/mockups/jesse-2007/ =20 Mr Shane Nuessler e-Learning Designer Teaching and Learning Centre University of Canberra ACT 2601=20 =20 Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655 Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172 Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify us by email reply and delete it from your system. The University of Canberra accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9FA0F.77457D09 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C9FA0F.77457D09-- From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 22:24:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E7875006F for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:24:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 4241 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v1g4DJNKuNq6 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:24:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8BC7501A1 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:24:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4017762ewy.15 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:24:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HdSTXFkoq6xRRIr95gR96gNqVsVs+sPTWW6oPH9E5FQ=; b=gLTnK7L0Jhb5wuU0LNW3dKVw3zzfQ5AAnRe0hwt8XvhqhArIqMdHuFqLjOHEP+9mCn 8R2etXT6fQtjCZLzQTvHm5iASbFUebErBptK1vgMQupFJM2fmwIR5szaYO1iXGONOH1e oHIyg+DDNBh1QVALMmhkNVEcndrRIrZ33+/Qk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=nNWRUGKDfqRihnDKK/S4r/ziE2d58mfAE6VDXB8EJxlOrLEtvnVV8oeNn8KiQRFd7S JzJVy1+GvzAM+qKbh/B3mzUKz46oMmd7FlOCE2s+Qv5MWqnLiqpIcBYJLFTvOh286Fvh itcrozU0d7YdIBWVdHrXS1zpCdXX+TkjNaPHY= Received: by 10.210.13.17 with SMTP id 17mr1562267ebm.67.1246659861566; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3962540eyh.50.2009.07.03.15.24.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Baking with BreadCrumbs From: Jon Nettleton To: Gnome List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:24:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:24:47 -0000 I finally bit the bullet and started putting some serious efforts into trying to remove the bottom taskbar from gnome-shell. I worked a bit trying to integrate gnome-launch-box ( it needs a bit more love but has potential ) but ultimately decided that was a power users tool. Then I saw the email about the breadcrumbs branch regression and needing to be pulled in with master. I always liked the idea and decided to take a look at Sander's efforts a bit more closely. I liked the simplicity of the menu system but it felt a bit out of place with out new shiny gnome-shell desktop. I have hacked up a more gui intensive version of breadcrumbs that solves a bunch of the problems I was having with gnome-shell and window switching. Here are the screen captures, this is all coded and working ( although needs some polish ). http://picasaweb.google.com/jon.nettleton/LiveBreadCrumbsGnomeShell?feat=directlink 1) I can still get to any window on my desktop in 1 click. Click on the window breadcrumb move mouse let go, done. 2) The workspace breadcrumb kills 2 birds with 1 stone. I can easily switch between workspaces/activities with 1 click. The workspaces also act like the overlay workspaces so you can switch directly to any window on any workspace. This is a bit small and can use some usability love but it has made my life much easier and really makes the idea of many workspaces activities simple and easy to use. 3) The integration with alerts and window notifications is much easier. I haven't finished it yet, but if a window demands attention you are led to it through the windows breadcrumb if it is on the current workspace, or through the workspaces breadcrumb if it is on another. If the window that demands attention is on another workspace you can easily see identify it and move directly to that window. No need to switch workspaces and then find the window that demands attention. 4) Thanks to all the excellent work already done, all the windows are live clones and work well. Very little extra overhead, great work everyone!!! I know there are questions if breadcrumbs are a good fit for gnome-shell, perhaps they turn into a plugin. I am not interested in that discussion right now. I am more interested in feedback, possible design changes. What I have done is very much geared to fixing the problems I had using gnome-shell day to day on my desktop without a task-bar on the bottom of the screen. I also don't have a public git repository but if people want to try it out perhaps I will get one. Looking forward to the feedback, Jon From shanepatrickfagan@yahoo.ie Sat Jul 4 12:13:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2067501F1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:13:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) (up: 7740 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [77.238.184.35] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bfiKnuqqyb9c for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:12:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [77.238.184.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C78D7501DD for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:12:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 16203 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 12:12:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ie; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YZtFbxDTMzebVTojGA8eeP3cluQ1bAxiX0IAyhooAKYGl0PHwohDOu2dW+VFR2dtUUGyThdKE+zodXHjLkO+NdkAoSdveuZmum6TXjoG6YCdPD5cJ1KoQ2MIIl1Veof7xNZh/ruP/flNf5Kv0VWK7apTO9i28qvBSiA/Cb7JMT8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (shanepatrickfagan@83.147.175.127 with plain) by smtp103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 12:12:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: ycLr7QmswBAxMAeO.D8EuHfBL0cqQ5IvC0w4BVxI X-YMail-OSG: c7Oei_UVM1kgHZYJChNlw0QxsvVUQUZVS0OF3wrHBpmZTDCzIgWPwuP9wAKZGHPrCXj8ez9WQzwMN2OzDmSsPSq1hBRJVNjODruZPYRYPPbqIqLiTvcITjS4ecEwd16hTSryE6zF1pJgkX5WpxPtAytRpEs.dvZ_K8.eIMZWXX3PNq8LTGPmXnssxEc3qDRLkFSu6kkePvYIChfqcuFPm2zZTMN8xbws4UjYECD42cfIqDhMaJyYfS731GMoAMmLH6lB6ecgtS7UD2KbZKT9vkhcgzFMlRhDZWbUJNPA9zC1M1Xb3pA6xZp7vIbij.a4Mtua7FXJ8G8NxKOuLAQ8r51gVnOcqVUQAi_rHGhYzw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs (Jon Nettleton) From: Shane Fagan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:12:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1246709555.4356.12.camel@shane-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.27.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:13:08 -0000 > http://picasaweb.google.com/jon.nettleton/LiveBreadCrumbsGnomeShell?feat=directlink Great screenshot, my only addition to your idea is to put the window switcher thing (The light black box) on the bottom. I think that having too much at the top of the screen makes that area look really cluttered. I know your idea is to get rid of the bottom panel but to just put something else to the top of the screen isnt the solution. Again it looks awesome. Shane From knewter@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 13:08:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CC875045F for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:08:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 1829 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.217.218] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I5+MPq7RhdlW for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:07:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAA17503EF for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:06:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so4745116gxk.15 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:06:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rvFg/dw4LmYjJ9YKZDVZVvp7W7UqJm6WF56pmzljs1s=; b=T9+5Lsn45wOoIZ1ozBdjXpGn+Gf8XL4yhrsJigKdKqUKh0pEoaz6LBttcdEO+I5ilg G8aP6XIxUmqGG5wud9GjLk4xnm2/2g3KrHN19gNXC4vpr2kVD8ZX0zkuuYxTt4Kq/rN2 BiRu0d0L8BGdDL3d+rKFKf01CcIIXxkWfHj34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aRD4GmUoEmuUYGDvluQLH29eFsOYB9RLumhaVTWrNkOu1NKHGDHseR8xxwxh+eJ1Ib Rq3smsnrCvOxK3KsfTCqS/mHNNPFDeqaJp16qdX590m/S4sMo142+udnPJQDQlAVe+Tc QFJpQtiUb/X9zeozUN8KzXun+ceL4gP6ZuRsU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.14.9 with SMTP id e9mr1501646iba.45.1246712803416; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:06:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:06:43 -0500 Message-ID: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 From: Josh Adams To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255755c2c8dd63046de0f1eb X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:08:01 -0000 --0003255755c2c8dd63046de0f1eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always been a huge fan of sanders' breadcrumbs, and felt they didn't get the love they deserved. I think you've taken that branch and made with the goodness that clutter/js makes easy, and for that I publicly salute you :) I'd love to suggest that you grab a github.com account and put this code up in a repository, a la sanders' workflow. DVCS makes collaboration a win. Again, three cheers and whatnot. This is what I always imagined that branch would turn into :) Any interest in recording a quick screencast? -- Josh Adams On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Send gnome-shell-list mailing list submissions to > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnome-shell-list-request@gnome.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnome-shell-list-owner@gnome.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-shell-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Baking with BreadCrumbs (Jon Nettleton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:24:17 +0200 > From: Jon Nettleton > Subject: Baking with BreadCrumbs > To: Gnome List > Message-ID: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I finally bit the bullet and started putting some serious efforts into > trying to remove the bottom taskbar from gnome-shell. I worked a bit > trying to integrate gnome-launch-box ( it needs a bit more love but has > potential ) but ultimately decided that was a power users tool. Then I > saw the email about the breadcrumbs branch regression and needing to be > pulled in with master. I always liked the idea and decided to take a > look at Sander's efforts a bit more closely. > > I liked the simplicity of the menu system but it felt a bit out of place > with out new shiny gnome-shell desktop. I have hacked up a more gui > intensive version of breadcrumbs that solves a bunch of the problems I > was having with gnome-shell and window switching. Here are the screen > captures, this is all coded and working ( although needs some polish ). > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/jon.nettleton/LiveBreadCrumbsGnomeShell?feat=directlink > > 1) I can still get to any window on my desktop in 1 click. Click on > the window breadcrumb move mouse let go, done. > 2) The workspace breadcrumb kills 2 birds with 1 stone. I can easily > switch between workspaces/activities with 1 click. The workspaces also > act like the overlay workspaces so you can switch directly to any window > on any workspace. This is a bit small and can use some usability love > but it has made my life much easier and really makes the idea of many > workspaces activities simple and easy to use. > 3) The integration with alerts and window notifications is much easier. > I haven't finished it yet, but if a window demands attention you are led > to it through the windows breadcrumb if it is on the current workspace, > or through the workspaces breadcrumb if it is on another. If the window > that demands attention is on another workspace you can easily see > identify it and move directly to that window. No need to switch > workspaces and then find the window that demands attention. > 4) Thanks to all the excellent work already done, all the windows are > live clones and work well. Very little extra overhead, great work > everyone!!! > > I know there are questions if breadcrumbs are a good fit for > gnome-shell, perhaps they turn into a plugin. I am not interested in > that discussion right now. I am more interested in feedback, possible > design changes. What I have done is very much geared to fixing the > problems I had using gnome-shell day to day on my desktop without a > task-bar on the bottom of the screen. > > I also don't have a public git repository but if people want to try it > out perhaps I will get one. > > Looking forward to the feedback, > > Jon > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > End of gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > ********************************************** > --0003255755c2c8dd63046de0f1eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've always been a huge fan of sanders' breadcrumbs, and felt they = didn't get the love they deserved.=A0 I think you've taken that bra= nch and made with the goodness that clutter/js makes easy, and for that I p= ublicly salute you :)

I'd love to suggest that you grab a g= ithub.com account and put this code up in a repository, a la sanders= 9; workflow.=A0 DVCS makes collaboration a win.

Again, three cheers = and whatnot.=A0 This is what I always imagined that branch would turn into = :)=A0 Any interest in recording a quick screencast?
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:24:17 +0200
From: Jon Nettleton <jon.nett= leton@gmail.com>
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I finally bit the bullet and started putting some serious efforts into
trying to remove the bottom taskbar from gnome-shell. =A0I worked a bit
trying to integrate gnome-launch-box ( it needs a bit more love but has
potential ) but ultimately decided that was a power users tool. =A0Then I saw the email about the breadcrumbs branch regression and needing to be
pulled in with master. =A0I always liked the idea and decided to take a
look at Sander's efforts a bit more closely.

I liked the simplicity of the menu system but it felt a bit out of place with out new shiny gnome-shell desktop. =A0I have hacked up a more gui
intensive version of breadcrumbs that solves a bunch of the problems I
was having with gnome-shell and window switching. =A0Here are the screen captures, this is all coded and working ( although needs some polish ).

http://picasaweb.google.com/jon.ne= ttleton/LiveBreadCrumbsGnomeShell?feat=3Ddirectlink

1) =A0I can still get to any window on my desktop in 1 click. =A0Click on the window breadcrumb move mouse let go, done.
2) =A0The workspace breadcrumb kills 2 birds with 1 stone. =A0I can easily<= br> switch between workspaces/activities with 1 click. =A0The workspaces also act like the overlay workspaces so you can switch directly to any window on any workspace. =A0This is a bit small and can use some usability love but it has made my life much easier and really makes the idea of many
workspaces activities simple and easy to use.
3) =A0The integration with alerts and window notifications is much easier.<= br> I haven't finished it yet, but if a window demands attention you are le= d
to it through the windows breadcrumb if it is on the current workspace,
or through the workspaces breadcrumb if it is on another. =A0If the window<= br> that demands attention is on another workspace you can easily see
identify it and move directly to that window. =A0No need to switch
workspaces and then find the window that demands attention.
4) =A0Thanks to all the excellent work already done, all the windows are live clones and work well. =A0Very little extra overhead, great work
everyone!!!

I know there are questions if breadcrumbs are a good fit for
gnome-shell, perhaps they turn into a plugin. =A0I am not interested in
that discussion right now. =A0I am more interested in feedback, possible design changes. =A0What I have done is very much geared to fixing the
problems I had using gnome-shell day to day on my desktop without a
task-bar on the bottom of the screen.

I also don't have a public git repository but if people want to try it<= br> out perhaps I will get one.

Looking forward to the feedback,

Jon



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--0003255755c2c8dd63046de0f1eb-- From ferkiwi@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 13:55:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058877500CB for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:55:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 439 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.208] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sc2Y+TifU0Ki for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:55:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f208.google.com (mail-bw0-f208.google.com [209.85.218.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B5F750064 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:55:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4so198008bwz.15 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:55:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hEG4glmuJ6RTk/s81tWqxDG3LCA50DDV3k9a1y4MmRQ=; b=ial+PgBO5UuYZUCfgRC7PvxM3TsrdsX2K6qAwVJrHcWO8HBNWHgNQ1eDGdREPjcT73 TtbzS1EEg0dFszL6eZuwAAF2OVLT1rpsCk3B9yzSGURWMbVwi6b/edMmJyXIr7hQQPQo B7STkXn/XXojEOnPceM4XspT6p0r/noR+V9JQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XAfITvzI8otLV0RnCWYAdJgyGPpymWHMh587rThQdNAng+2zork2/6Mp4Rx7htTeOs Z7aS+X7E8saSgw7mvlbCXCUz4JWTettPrelA7rz6Y2BBcH7K1D1iNwxWFzWf98VFncLd MaLWyMAmjfEUMPwlJTjcfpLivtWnhl4oxwDpo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.115.138 with SMTP id i10mr1353363faq.82.1246715731736; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:55:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> From: Fernando Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:55:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:55:49 -0000 That's looking very good indeed! When doing alt-tab the very same interface could be displayed temporarily so that the users know that the breadcrumb is the way to switch when using the mouse (the color of the switching button should change or provide some kind of feedback). Perhaps in the future this functionality could be extended with a search box for filtering the name of the window, for example. I think that the breadcrumbs idea was a very nice one. My only complain is that I think that the "Activities" button shouldn't be taken as part of the breadcrumb (I mean, don't use ">" as a separator between Activities and Workspace). It's not a clear thing that Activities are supersets of workspaces and it could induce confusion to newbies when they receive indications such as "Activities > Accessories > Text Editor", for example. I think it would be OK if it was possible to not use the ">" in that place. Once this little thing is addressed I don't think there should be a problem to have this in gnome-shell, in my humble opinion. Perhaps the thing that could be turn into a plugin if there's disagreement about it is the "Workspaces" section in the breadcrumb, it seems that some people don't want this information displayed there (although I agree that the way you have turned it into a pager looks quite useful) perhaps making that section pluggable would be fair enough for inclusion? -- Fernando From ferkiwi@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 14:17:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F4C750077 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:17:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2175 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.220.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PIL4eHv10935 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:17:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA141750096 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:17:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1912795fxm.15 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:17:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DUu47dZF+h45+3LK8J0Bai7ztT72pHvPAv/t/q5S+VY=; b=tSWQSiC0hkmuamxN4oh5RHIhigpeZ5yHf3z+ete9ARIehJwhGwHesRdqt58piGyTUk RFAUjzG0Yt7QnG88YCa8uYN1PVVilStjFeAmoqTCbh+1S87kCAtMZaZo0aU00/GAFJL3 xUbhZr+Us8lwMDVad1dn4390Z77gvZvffi/wQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pIMlQuSCLmNPZwP61uUozV0gFy+s0dov4ltXSxbNT0hXar9H0BjKhbw6cHZLzzDq9D +fTIZa3TuIY5pujEy2yMq6Q0laMNbXxwDKyiTFQMsi0fkuuSlGL84NrTEBl5VEBc10sI y2o1Xx+I2tcV1pCrSPQsoAeI8ylXzNEy0hMnY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.123.129 with SMTP id p1mr1381516far.0.1246717063112; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:17:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1246709555.4356.12.camel@shane-laptop> References: <1246709555.4356.12.camel@shane-laptop> From: Fernando Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:17:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs (Jon Nettleton) To: Shane Fagan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:18:00 -0000 On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Shane Fagan wrote: > Great screenshot, my only addition to your idea is to put the window > switcher thing (The light black box) on the bottom. I think that having > too much at the top of the screen makes that area look really cluttered. > I know your idea is to get rid of the bottom panel but to just put > something else to the top of the screen isnt the solution. Again it > looks awesome. I think that Jon's window switcher disappears after you have chosen the window, so I don't think it's cluttering the interface. Also, I believe that it's supposed to be shown only when you click on the Window title in the top bar. If it was at the bottom you would have to click the top and then move all the way to the bottom just for choosing the window. That's not good. -- Fernando From dorian.jaminais@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 09:21:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9B07501D4 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:21:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2125 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.220.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4i6E6A7c-xoz for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:21:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F320D7501C7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:21:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1761706fxm.15 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:21:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=spBlcPQfZ/zG4cyz6P+DHXNQpZ3apgF7syc3re7r0nY=; b=nNU+MO89iFHyslZhj8oxMUqFkJ1pNjGnf2s9A+clztKOCe59VK+5Obd44S1rrE/lM/ aY2s4ILse+c5WLi1QxSy8QFYs0JmFFCc400KWzRM5zXouh26yp5iEgAQD2EdYn8qAGQn emocbAem45NElRpPGvW8ra/A47IPi3vZekjys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Rwdm6IHB5EOAsB3fAlLLgL12G5qnPWi/sMdzpfELyFomvbL9Ir074+o070Ec4T64Hh scHM/LMyVUF56g8ttpHsankGZUpvnukLyY+EddSdX8oQd0Y4vYfCYEkVYB32iJPXwV2x vSMX0/NM9Fk2HAHigkDdQpt7c5jAM8WzfBJp8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.2 with SMTP id f2mr2181569bkg.90.1246699287939; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:21:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:21:27 +0200 Message-ID: <6c3838400907040221n25372911y7cc4459078cc20cc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs From: dorian jaminais To: Gnome List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ab87330e6c046dddcc49 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:22:57 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:21:48 -0000 --001636c5ab87330e6c046dddcc49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was waiting for this feature for a while now ! I love your screen capture. I would like to help you testing it, how can I setup it on my gnome shell install ? Thanks a lot for your work 2009/7/4 Jon Nettleton > I finally bit the bullet and started putting some serious efforts into > trying to remove the bottom taskbar from gnome-shell. I worked a bit > trying to integrate gnome-launch-box ( it needs a bit more love but has > potential ) but ultimately decided that was a power users tool. Then I > saw the email about the breadcrumbs branch regression and needing to be > pulled in with master. I always liked the idea and decided to take a > look at Sander's efforts a bit more closely. > > I liked the simplicity of the menu system but it felt a bit out of place > with out new shiny gnome-shell desktop. I have hacked up a more gui > intensive version of breadcrumbs that solves a bunch of the problems I > was having with gnome-shell and window switching. Here are the screen > captures, this is all coded and working ( although needs some polish ). > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/jon.nettleton/LiveBreadCrumbsGnomeShell?feat=directlink > > 1) I can still get to any window on my desktop in 1 click. Click on > the window breadcrumb move mouse let go, done. > 2) The workspace breadcrumb kills 2 birds with 1 stone. I can easily > switch between workspaces/activities with 1 click. The workspaces also > act like the overlay workspaces so you can switch directly to any window > on any workspace. This is a bit small and can use some usability love > but it has made my life much easier and really makes the idea of many > workspaces activities simple and easy to use. > 3) The integration with alerts and window notifications is much easier. > I haven't finished it yet, but if a window demands attention you are led > to it through the windows breadcrumb if it is on the current workspace, > or through the workspaces breadcrumb if it is on another. If the window > that demands attention is on another workspace you can easily see > identify it and move directly to that window. No need to switch > workspaces and then find the window that demands attention. > 4) Thanks to all the excellent work already done, all the windows are > live clones and work well. Very little extra overhead, great work > everyone!!! > > I know there are questions if breadcrumbs are a good fit for > gnome-shell, perhaps they turn into a plugin. I am not interested in > that discussion right now. I am more interested in feedback, possible > design changes. What I have done is very much geared to fixing the > problems I had using gnome-shell day to day on my desktop without a > task-bar on the bottom of the screen. > > I also don't have a public git repository but if people want to try it > out perhaps I will get one. > > Looking forward to the feedback, > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > -- Dorian JAMINAIS --001636c5ab87330e6c046dddcc49 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was waiting for this feature for a while now !
I love your screen capt= ure. I would like to help you testing it, how can I setup it on my gnome sh= ell install ?

Thanks a lot for your work

2009/7/4 Jon Nettleton <jon.nettleton@gmail.com>
I finally bit the bullet and started putting some serious efforts into
trying to remove the bottom taskbar from gnome-shell. =A0I worked a bit
trying to integrate gnome-launch-box ( it needs a bit more love but has
potential ) but ultimately decided that was a power users tool. =A0Then I saw the email about the breadcrumbs branch regression and needing to be
pulled in with master. =A0I always liked the idea and decided to take a
look at Sander's efforts a bit more closely.

I liked the simplicity of the menu system but it felt a bit out of place with out new shiny gnome-shell desktop. =A0I have hacked up a more gui
intensive version of breadcrumbs that solves a bunch of the problems I
was having with gnome-shell and window switching. =A0Here are the screen captures, this is all coded and working ( although needs some polish ).

http://picasaweb.google.com/jon.ne= ttleton/LiveBreadCrumbsGnomeShell?feat=3Ddirectlink

1) =A0I can still get to any window on my desktop in 1 click. =A0Click on the window breadcrumb move mouse let go, done.
2) =A0The workspace breadcrumb kills 2 birds with 1 stone. =A0I can easily<= br> switch between workspaces/activities with 1 click. =A0The workspaces also act like the overlay workspaces so you can switch directly to any window on any workspace. =A0This is a bit small and can use some usability love but it has made my life much easier and really makes the idea of many
workspaces activities simple and easy to use.
3) =A0The integration with alerts and window notifications is much easier.<= br> I haven't finished it yet, but if a window demands attention you are le= d
to it through the windows breadcrumb if it is on the current workspace,
or through the workspaces breadcrumb if it is on another. =A0If the window<= br> that demands attention is on another workspace you can easily see
identify it and move directly to that window. =A0No need to switch
workspaces and then find the window that demands attention.
4) =A0Thanks to all the excellent work already done, all the windows are live clones and work well. =A0Very little extra overhead, great work
everyone!!!

I know there are questions if breadcrumbs are a good fit for
gnome-shell, perhaps they turn into a plugin. =A0I am not interested in
that discussion right now. =A0I am more interested in feedback, possible design changes. =A0What I have done is very much geared to fixing the
problems I had using gnome-shell day to day on my desktop without a
task-bar on the bottom of the screen.

I also don't have a public git repository but if people want to try it<= br> out perhaps I will get one.

Looking forward to the feedback,

Jon

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--001636c5ab87330e6c046dddcc49-- From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Sun Jul 5 11:53:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8436C7500D1 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 4615 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zG8iGw9ru05A for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A76675008F for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so5186381ewy.15 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:52:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9HiagRvzM40dsZu8Va+31XSZeJozWSYWL+brc19pyEU=; b=XraaCjd1VS6dVPjDxKVvQa5Sx92jfPiGacgjSI/gz00Cu4PpTIhWDZNL6p3cSNNjF9 Sv2O5EGdikmAytpb0gA1vGq75qYmH+gMMdeJsIo3YCd86glDQhEeQzVS8pAXEaK7Sp8J K3eKL8Is+vxV/qIu83oMipn5kZtu1nWXM/xEc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VhHnpv5wnJzuaFPvsP5/6dhmblneoIYwB0detyQFepXmL0wELyENsifOaZ17bfizdt ndpIgOl0aBpQER2dx1tW/PsdWCXhWyRxC2E42cUkDsAZiCJuEa1iK9s4NSkoRIzgOOSq N0+pv6HvKV6DnTj2xuRwm/Ejpo/q3tIhnI530= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.206 with SMTP id 56mr864003web.102.1246794779648; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:52:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6c3838400907040221n25372911y7cc4459078cc20cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6c3838400907040221n25372911y7cc4459078cc20cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:52:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs From: Jon Nettleton To: Gnome List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:53:19 -0000 Everyone, Thanks for your feedback and enthusiasm. I have been on away on vacation this weekend so I was not able to respond to you all very quickly. I have plans to fix up a couple of remaining issues I have later tonight and will then either send a patch to Sanders, or open my own github account. I will also try and get a screencast done. I can't make it to Guadec, but perhaps someone else could lead the discussion. Jon > I was waiting for this feature for a while now ! > I love your screen capture. I would like to help you testing it, how can = I > setup it on my gnome shell install ? > > Thanks a lot for your work > > 2009/7/4 Jon Nettleton >> >> I finally bit the bullet and started putting some serious efforts into >> trying to remove the bottom taskbar from gnome-shell. =C2=A0I worked a b= it >> trying to integrate gnome-launch-box ( it needs a bit more love but has >> potential ) but ultimately decided that was a power users tool. =C2=A0Th= en I >> saw the email about the breadcrumbs branch regression and needing to be >> pulled in with master. =C2=A0I always liked the idea and decided to take= a >> look at Sander's efforts a bit more closely. >> >> I liked the simplicity of the menu system but it felt a bit out of place >> with out new shiny gnome-shell desktop. =C2=A0I have hacked up a more gu= i >> intensive version of breadcrumbs that solves a bunch of the problems I >> was having with gnome-shell and window switching. =C2=A0Here are the scr= een >> captures, this is all coded and working ( although needs some polish ). >> >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/jon.nettleton/LiveBreadCrumbsGnomeShell?feat= =3Ddirectlink >> >> 1) =C2=A0I can still get to any window on my desktop in 1 click. =C2=A0C= lick on >> the window breadcrumb move mouse let go, done. >> 2) =C2=A0The workspace breadcrumb kills 2 birds with 1 stone. =C2=A0I ca= n easily >> switch between workspaces/activities with 1 click. =C2=A0The workspaces = also >> act like the overlay workspaces so you can switch directly to any window >> on any workspace. =C2=A0This is a bit small and can use some usability l= ove >> but it has made my life much easier and really makes the idea of many >> workspaces activities simple and easy to use. >> 3) =C2=A0The integration with alerts and window notifications is much ea= sier. >> I haven't finished it yet, but if a window demands attention you are led >> to it through the windows breadcrumb if it is on the current workspace, >> or through the workspaces breadcrumb if it is on another. =C2=A0If the w= indow >> that demands attention is on another workspace you can easily see >> identify it and move directly to that window. =C2=A0No need to switch >> workspaces and then find the window that demands attention. >> 4) =C2=A0Thanks to all the excellent work already done, all the windows = are >> live clones and work well. =C2=A0Very little extra overhead, great work >> everyone!!! >> >> I know there are questions if breadcrumbs are a good fit for >> gnome-shell, perhaps they turn into a plugin. =C2=A0I am not interested = in >> that discussion right now. =C2=A0I am more interested in feedback, possi= ble >> design changes. =C2=A0What I have done is very much geared to fixing the >> problems I had using gnome-shell day to day on my desktop without a >> task-bar on the bottom of the screen. >> >> I also don't have a public git repository but if people want to try it >> out perhaps I will get one. >> >> Looking forward to the feedback, >> >> Jon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-shell-list mailing list >> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > > -- > Dorian JAMINAIS > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > From gregknicholson@gmail.com Sun Jul 5 21:26:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FA27500CC for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:26:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2486 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.220.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ye48LQ0u2oj2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:25:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CA875008F for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:25:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2951940fxm.15 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:25:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fu8p1CS2A/pq8wUEJrYPnY8GamaeNQIIgyGHERC7EWQ=; b=x0+HUWh619kUk0OhwF+qSUp9rx+kM9xQLTyiOdJeAdfZWmycTm1c4h3Om4EiVKJrDJ GongSfV2yjlDZV0lMh7ETTcLD/f1dWbVofP8i/mjSq1b2aju58bGyKHPvurJfDBBQNWc rNPoP8EqfiJCtr8zvfXZoHpiKw2rnR+7oyD0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=szBsklP+w6QbcSVHv62Tiouo1QAEINGfV2QS1yVnbc/GDHrO5Hex74k9uXe8P6N7CM Dvs/N1SwnZTCkgL2idMUi5sKNevucwGoEZW6IrWsV89l//KFz6lk6PAw9h244HJxgxb1 HCBf8R5ypDfe99//d22S74oO7vtxunjtGL5wk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gregknicholson@gmail.com Received: by 10.239.132.134 with SMTP id 6mr324706hbr.157.1246829147131; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:25:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:25:47 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 03e4a95eeefe104f Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs From: Greg K Nicholson To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:26:04 -0000 > 1) =C2=A0I can still get to any window on my desktop in 1 click. =C2=A0Cl= ick on > the window breadcrumb move mouse let go, done. Can I still switch between windows (in a fixed order, not order of last use) by pointing and scrolling, as is possible with Gnome 2's window list? From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 09:12:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC4A75008B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:12:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2995 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.205] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nWIFH5TNYyHj for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:11:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f205.google.com (mail-ew0-f205.google.com [209.85.219.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0EE750062 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:11:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3988990ewy.17 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:11:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rYiLx31tmY8h5a82SkfzTn7l30WlEGm0FJOVK+HYM0c=; b=FAKmRGIRQJUj8eFQuiPzn25kHdv1QuYoQT4SgokrGA0QVxx5EN6JT6/8MJYOckSrpA y/wWfaQXV1Qsivbm+6XIkPtAVm7a5WOpw3EpGtyhO/KnrNj7EHKvBPUCd+ILHdvPFVOH //WF2nwyqojv7qjdazbQkaq6ve3eOk6AAq/ug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=seMMlfuTTDDqrhJIljhQw9w0ucitp8cB6cDrr+PtnbFFoBWqUZH8L4Q4ZhJz0T9BoS +HjVTmV+MUOsL+cCwPh8SxJRZElgQ0y1iMYvuGiWBT0xczeb3wjeIHh2tBbJjUlj9LB2 KU4Odat6/OW1z18X7wnnaH9WU0LXNgqqa9kO4= Received: by 10.210.141.17 with SMTP id o17mr4545701ebd.91.1246871504591; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm11098157eye.46.2009.07.06.02.11.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs From: Jon Nettleton To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:11:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1246871503.2379.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:12:04 -0000 On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 22:25 +0100, Greg K Nicholson wrote: > > 1) I can still get to any window on my desktop in 1 click. Click on > > the window breadcrumb move mouse let go, done. > > Can I still switch between windows (in a fixed order, not order of > last use) by pointing and scrolling, as is possible with Gnome 2's > window list? Not yet, but it is something I plan on implementing for both windows and workspaces. I am also trying to integrate the same view for both alt+Tab and alt+ctl +Tab. alt+ctl+Tab is not a problem because it is a static linear path. The behavior of alt+Tab is difficult because it mimics the window stacking and is constantly changing. One suggestion has been to leave the windows in place and just have alt+Tab jump to windows in the order of their stacking. Anyone else have any ideas/suggestions? Thanks, Jon From artirj@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 11:14:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F02575008F for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:14:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2357 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ti+N-3Jm+6NZ for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:14:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3F3750075 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:13:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1052375bwz.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:13:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=2cXSeiGXkbaU+thuG2EwYJV8lcV2lUtKWGCzZI6pjfM=; b=Rl+0sYaK9Ti/FNLDLNHKLahDvejuVAGMis/9uJpApim/nrtf5O0wYBCwHMJPj0zfLB gFRHMPh4jd1OGNVdECQWwP/3QM4MACAH3qIIlgfaXTvw1++vIMC/JR+fpRUOhc1ZqSut vKV0+NQRK2iDi35sZL/nu78r/IONeftnJ16Mo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=JQ9lVHzj/29e3jFjnU3opo7wLAFZ+Ru44b9kwusGrEbwxwa0oyGwG454Z0CWi9xGBH eUCQLPhX7A6uq5kcGVyVqV8/sq0lPMNpZg374cNSwKuRaCO4BO4vEMk8GGi7g/07r1h6 2EvZR1YhbNfh1HntEoI+e/8G5SG6BmHA4vyXM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.61.204 with SMTP id u12mr4480473bkh.149.1246878836487; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:13:56 +0100 Message-ID: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Idea for the maximize, minimize and close icons From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Luis_Ric=F3n?= To: Gnome List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b27c2089d2046e079aa2 X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:14:16 -0000 --001636c5b27c2089d2046e079aa2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here we have a current window: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9615/29247213.png Notice there are 4 buttons on top: the window menu, minimize, maximize and close buttons. The application menu can be safely removed since it's a collection of duplicated stuff. http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5574/73619076.png With that removed, we have another hot corner!. Going one step further, we can move the minimize button to the left corner, for two reasons: 1)The window will be minimized to the window taskbar(I think) and that's on the left on the screen 2)Makes use of the hotcorner and it's easier to reach And what about the maximize button? It's easier to pick the window and drag it to the top of of the screen, something easier and more usable than clicking a small button, (In the final shell design, you can drag apps by selecting any empty space) So we can also remove it. Finally, the two buttons left can me made bigger and the final result is this: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/273/33468944.png What do you think? --001636c5b27c2089d2046e079aa2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here we have a current window:
=A0http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9615/29247213= .png
Notice there are 4 buttons on top: the window menu, minimize, m= aximize and close buttons.
The application menu can be safely removed since it's a collection of d= uplicated=A0 stuff.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5574/73619076.png
With that removed, we have another hot corner!.
Going one step further, = we can move the minimize button to the left corner, for two reasons:
1)T= he window will be minimized to the window taskbar(I think) and that's o= n the left on the screen
2)Makes use of the hotcorner and it's easier to reach

And what a= bout the maximize button?
It's easier to pick the window and drag it= to the top of of the screen, something easier and more usable than clickin= g a small button, (In the final shell design, you can drag apps by selectin= g any empty space)
So we can also remove it.
Finally, the two buttons left can me made bigg= er and the final result is this:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/273/33468944.pn= g

What do you think?

--001636c5b27c2089d2046e079aa2-- From ferkiwi@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 12:08:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E1175006E for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:08:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2366 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1gfg1vkDtpCV for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:08:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD459750077 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1111306bwz.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=T6sTnD7IQhjZg80JHo3h2AcMnTlpci/VpdlVm+02y3I=; b=EH4hFnWU4h/V1gaH+lgJavdGPxxaY6XVBg1MXav/VlYuJUraELQsVptbMd9cbglqKz nKLTQjsAwd9NvfpPcFJ4K0imXV7clzx39JF+ZAubfTcgDMibjUp89UvmsLmdKd0cKVPL QsYHz7m9uPVC+oyEKSL4daT6dW3ao0HRN5L7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XWm/+R5zDApUEI1U9nRp1uPyxLznpcMVXOV/7oteTfLdCmceZ3Kkt8/52Z5KTH7RWY RTJebfgRaibKqtAUuNy1p7h3+InU5zmMUAguvPvzwy3TDC6gMfegmPvhs8g1Ccniu15/ p8H5N6KyikL5ANtMY8s7Yg0CJyas+or05+NPY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.3 with SMTP id y3mr1915863fap.71.1246882079190; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:07:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Idea for the maximize, minimize and close icons To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgTHVpcyBSaWPDs24=?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Gnome List X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:08:19 -0000 2009/7/6 Jos=C3=A9 Luis Ric=C3=B3n : > http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/273/33468944.png > > What do you think? There's no application icon there, I think that this won't be good, the icon gives a nice visual identifier for the application and helps to relate the taskbar item and the window. Perhaps the icon could be shown as part of the window title. By the way, what do you think about the decoration being removed completely when the window is maximized?. What alternative place were you thinking about for moving the functions provided by the window menu? (perhaps the buttons could be put in the top panel? the breadcrumb idea proposed that and I think it would be neat) > 1)The window will be minimized to the window taskbar(I think) and that's = on the left on the screen is the taskbar really going to be at the left side? I thought that the left bar was optional. > 2)Makes use of the hotcorner and it's easier to reach I'm not sure what do you mean by "hotcorner", but I think it's harder to reach for people who have grown accustomed to having the minimize button at the right side, for other people I'm not sure if it's really easier to reach. If the thing you want is to have big buttons then you can do that with a custom theme. -- Fernando From artirj@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 12:19:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5176575008B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:19:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2368 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id go5qLXsSX1KJ for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ED575006C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:19:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1123593bwz.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:18:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eCDZ/W2rlzYGAIDDA53etKx7V8NmMANGxt0zIJfkWNc=; b=Gj0evHu3I91SHtKF08qsu6B//IVytmr7EktEJZTJip9+qOwbmUeBmzySAaHoqcYoyz C450itSApsOGySPpWaMX9AGlqC5dg2pWyVV0A9s1Of3tlNVikB14/Tj/L3oms8uPTlMq zpFnmxNa8lJacL39rB/mB85pErjw5WxgStwik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XVUpNqyIbYeE+qlLv8rqn5onVEmUqJaSndP6MIfaV+XzGrmAPAzaRw9+DWFrh1Os3o Geetcn1n4u7gdCWsSh/zsj9FxCg3qgxaRLRcmefnOwJbdN9EiFUOWPxgahpoz/XGKFav rorEV5D7z1dYUKT044QRPRhIHLAJXOKhmnGBs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.71 with SMTP id x7mr4532592bkn.130.1246882738096; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:18:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:18:58 +0100 Message-ID: <753bbf8f0907060518l5fd2ce4eyac503cdcc98040e7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Idea for the maximize, minimize and close icons From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Luis_Ric=F3n?= To: Gnome List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:19:17 -0000 > > What do you think? > > There's no application icon there, I think that this won't be good, > the icon gives a nice visual identifier for the application and helps > to relate the taskbar item and the window. > Perhaps the icon could be shown as part of the window title. Take a look a thttp://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/mockups/20090630/00-main-= scene.png . The icon is displayed on the topbar, or, as you say, it can also be displayed on the titlebar. > By the way, what do you think about the decoration being removed > completely when the window is maximized?. > What alternative place were you thinking about for moving the > functions provided by the window menu? (perhaps the buttons could be > put in the top panel? the breadcrumb idea proposed =A0that and I think > it would be neat) When going maximized, I think the decoration should stay there unless we use the special fullscreen mode(Like View->Fullscreen) The alternative place for those controls(IF needed, because those are almost never used, or at least by the common user). Always on top can be moved to the preferences menu and the other ones are available while in the overlay mode. > > 1)The window will be minimized to the window taskbar(I think) and that'= s on the left on the screen > > is the taskbar really going to be at the left side? I thought that the > left bar was optional. As shown in the above mockup, the taskbar,( well, it's a dropdown tasklist) is on top of the screen, at the right of the activities menu. > > 2)Makes use of the hotcorner and it's easier to reach > > I'm not sure what do you mean by "hotcorner", but I think it's harder > to reach for people who have grown accustomed to having the minimize > button at the right side, for other people I'm not sure if it's really > easier to reach. If the thing you want is to have big buttons then you > can do that with a custom theme. By hotcorner I mean that easiest spots to reach in a UI are the corners, since that just require a quick mouse movement. Making the buttons bigger and maybe giving them some friction would make them IMHO, easier to reach. -- Jos=E9 Luis From danw@gnome.org Mon Jul 6 12:20:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D3A750077 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:20:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: NetBSD 3.0 (DF), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [69.25.196.35] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zLRxNEhbtdyS for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:20:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mysterion.org (mysterion.org [69.25.196.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8B575006C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:19:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from x61.home.mysterion.org (lan-nat-pool-bos.redhat.com [66.187.234.200]) by mysterion.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 84B16802AE; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A51EBD4.5010109@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:19:32 -0400 From: Dan Winship User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090513 Fedora/3.0-2.3.beta2.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Nettleton Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1246871503.2379.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1246871503.2379.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:20:13 -0000 On 07/06/2009 05:11 AM, Jon Nettleton wrote: >> Can I still switch between windows (in a fixed order, not order of >> last use) by pointing and scrolling, as is possible with Gnome 2's >> window list? > > Not yet, but it is something I plan on implementing for both windows and > workspaces. FWIW, this "feature" confuses a lot of people ("I was scrolling in firefox and suddenly my windows switched around" [because they moved the pointer off the bottom of the window without noticing]) and there's some push to get rid of it in the normal taskbar. > I am also trying to integrate the same view for both alt+Tab and alt+ctl > +Tab. alt+ctl+Tab is not a problem because it is a static linear path. > The behavior of alt+Tab is difficult because it mimics the window > stacking and is constantly changing. Look at how Alt+Tab is currently implemented (mostly in src/shell-alttab.c and js/ui/altTab.js). You just need to rewrite altTab.js to use your UI rather than the standard one; the shell tells it the right order to put the windows in. -- Dan From marnanel@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 12:35:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8577C7500D8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:35:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 853 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.221.191] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VpKIs4iLikTq for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:34:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-qy0-f191.google.com (mail-qy0-f191.google.com [209.85.221.191]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38397750062 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:34:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so1783154qyk.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:34:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Jt8s5lzTnXJmSmRnPe94XWZPfibiBkj7NKj8v8i3tA4=; b=sSqzEtPjLAVS3Qey+0UCTEZpP1LIi9Vtxu2DMnf8mVORQIv2bqyrNyecaKnFsk4KCj 96EfazzRVLP9+VzccExwqAtQ5F0rvFrbEnFWp7TUsEZpfJd3a8npXHfoMv2bcchvq6K6 lOg8IR2hgEfheJBBp1kOiiwpGaQeFJMVRKpUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=BNWyUzVMBE05u5JI/ptGTtJiXYLFoU8WcQs762za3gqEwVNMI2Epypcc6o46VYsmAu nj0CR1wcI45KORAYrs44R2xQhsbO34/CjxqmmCriWuqgHECh1A24BXDVp3beOgy+Sw/w W9st6RAAb8o4Gr+3DtWYf4EIS7ZahWMATdY88= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: marnanel@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.70.141 with SMTP id d13mr1957237qcj.70.1246883688056; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:34:47 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d5e24153e4630538 Message-ID: Subject: Changing the theme format From: Thomas Thurman To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016360e3b3c4dd6e8046e08bb18 X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:35:07 -0000 --0016360e3b3c4dd6e8046e08bb18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am assuming that there'll be a few changes necessary to the Metacity theme format for our purposes. The current theme format (v2) is showing its age and there have been quite a few changes suggested even for original Metacity. These range from smaller matters such as the ability for themes to refer to other themes (so for example a theme might only change named colours from an existing theme), up to wider blue-sky ideas like switching to an SVG-based format [1] or putting the theme parsing code into a separate library, and possibly relicensing it, so that it could be used by other WMs.) But I'm wondering how much of an upheaval we want to cause in the theme format. There may be advantages in keeping as much of the theme format as possible, because the code is reliable and well-tested. Have any decisions been made about how much of the existing theme format and theming code should be kept? Lastly, it's always been a failing of the theme format that there's no decent editor. Even if Mutter never moves to v3 of the format and stays with v2, I'm hoping to put together something that will be useful to theme artists. (Clearly this will involve talking to theme artists.) Thomas [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/18/squib-of-the-day-svg-theme-support/ --0016360e3b3c4dd6e8046e08bb18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am assuming that there'll be a few changes necessary to the Metacity = theme format for our purposes.=A0 The current theme format (v2) is showing = its age and there have been quite a few changes suggested even for original= Metacity.=A0 These range from smaller matters such as the ability for them= es to refer to other themes (so for example a theme might only change named= colours from an existing theme), up to wider blue-sky ideas like switching= to an SVG-based format [1] or putting the theme parsing code into a separa= te library, and possibly relicensing it, so that it could be used by other = WMs.)

But I'm wondering how much of an upheaval we want to cause in the t= heme format.=A0 There may be advantages in keeping as much of the theme for= mat as possible, because the code is reliable and well-tested.=A0 Have any = decisions been made about how much of the existing theme format and theming= code should be kept?

Lastly, it's always been a failing of the theme format that there&#= 39;s no decent editor.=A0 Even if Mutter never moves to v3 of the format an= d stays with v2, I'm hoping to put together something that will be usef= ul to theme artists.=A0 (Clearly this will involve talking to theme artists= .)

Thomas

[1] http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/= 03/18/squib-of-the-day-svg-theme-support/
--0016360e3b3c4dd6e8046e08bb18-- From ferkiwi@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 12:56:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C976875006C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:56:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2374 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hp+0XHACvUZD for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:56:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C903775006E for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:55:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1162773bwz.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:55:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=f57/osc3hLstL+jBj7UV0W4oZbDra8AiKwSpOBWTwlA=; b=bP96SBuUjpQbuFzSZNXEvNmTgKFKwSLexZDN3HEgsqtyTw6TSorggF0dPCoP+vcfmJ JqcyuZSeNENxc0GQ7XA9InH9dFXelwWWFL4jY73/5hKEQuVKgHwCa8Iob06GNg/ultCo m8zYQz5wfbdZVfvqrLckVdW1Gv13LUtgLI02Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=inmdAu27yqGdWomOHkaFA87ziUWDFp4T7J8qUB+jFPay5L3F8MuYBDooDUw3d+zL8I G3lnQnQmkcXMNxHKwcSPY69M9btCnXKkSrVZThX4EgPClbigZDkWQ4yxipiaaBbbRGmS OtkRShxbKsK+dzJ4oGLJPdldyRDZWgSYRNmuI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.110.211 with SMTP id o19mr1966848fap.57.1246884956097; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:55:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <753bbf8f0907060518l5fd2ce4eyac503cdcc98040e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> <753bbf8f0907060518l5fd2ce4eyac503cdcc98040e7@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:55:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Idea for the maximize, minimize and close icons To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgTHVpcyBSaWPDs24=?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Gnome List X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:56:16 -0000 2009/7/6 Jos=C3=A9 Luis Ric=C3=B3n : > Take a look a thttp://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/mockups/20090630/00-mai= n-scene.png > . > The icon is displayed on the topbar, or, as you say, it can also be > displayed on the titlebar. That's nice. It looks a bit like the breadcrumbs idea. I would still like having the icon in the window title too, though. > When going maximized, I think the decoration should stay there unless > we use the special fullscreen mode(Like View->Fullscreen) > The alternative place for those controls(IF needed, because those are > almost never used, or at least by the common user). Always on top can > be moved to the preferences menu and the other ones are available > while in the overlay mode. But in fullscreen you can't see the notification panel, you can't see the clock, can't click on activities/user and you can't have the left sidebar (in case that the sidebar option is enabled). Also, when you maximize in a layout like the one described the window title information will be mostly duplicated information (you already can see the window title at the top bar). This is taking a whole line of space just for holding 2 buttons, wasn't it one of the goals of gnome-shell to save screen space and make the desktop more usable in small screens and netbooks? > By hotcorner I mean that easiest spots to reach in a UI are the > corners, since that just require a quick mouse movement. Making the > buttons bigger and maybe giving them some friction would make them > IMHO, easier to reach. I agree that making the buttons bigger will make it easier to reach, what I'm not sure about is if moving minimize to the corner does make it easier, the quick mouse movement has to be bigger to reach a corner, and most people won't be accustomed to the left corner for minimizing. On the other hand, it will probably help avoiding hitting the wrong button (close the window when you wanted to minimize it), so perhaps it's a good idea. Anyway, whatever the decision on this matter is, please don't remove the functionality of the window menu that pops-up when you press Alt-space I've grown accustomed to pressing chained keybindings like: Alt-space c - for closing Alt-space x - for (un)maximizing Alt-space t - for always-on-top Whatever the final button layout is, don't change the keyboard functionality for worse. Thanks -- Fernando From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 13:00:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9EB7500C7; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:00:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 4867 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2buZgquFboLF; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:00:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0802C75006C; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:59:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so6313042ewy.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:59:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1NL2h5JmpwI5Q6uiwB9UlbjFCzlx2SQ9n4grRvDfxgo=; b=GvL3UsLcTX4RkjdnztCiBB/QPPN3qUzbvt31rJDHuCW15nJVwM+kEN4R/4dcEO/ScZ ZdKf+2hs0XJyKhNJfICIHpMD9+1WfoP5nUgz7rDgB1WEG/YP1f2cJoz4kAeHHjEqxTXk /5X6rwRArENAE5G6yuz09EAXgwwh5bUlf/IIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=UT0mwfsPsqqRAU9PvapQ+psDIZ2dztZbvXh/PkNdti/DYQlZIF7CeyY/5TBY/hjtUV vwTUs/DSVzs/8V3HSjc/o63OCafdrRR9V1hnI7NzNQqHjOBkyDkzPkdKFVd749msI7Rm YsugzH9agcKVB8QmqV/YOBcc3yliBIgaBUpC0= Received: by 10.210.79.3 with SMTP id c3mr5519777ebb.84.1246885191423; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm416081eyf.32.2009.07.06.05.59.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs From: Jon Nettleton To: Dan Winship In-Reply-To: <4A51EBD4.5010109@gnome.org> References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1246871503.2379.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A51EBD4.5010109@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:59:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1246885189.2379.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:00:14 -0000 On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 08:19 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: > On 07/06/2009 05:11 AM, Jon Nettleton wrote: > >> Can I still switch between windows (in a fixed order, not order of > >> last use) by pointing and scrolling, as is possible with Gnome 2's > >> window list? > > > > Not yet, but it is something I plan on implementing for both windows and > > workspaces. > > FWIW, this "feature" confuses a lot of people ("I was scrolling in > firefox and suddenly my windows switched around" [because they moved the > pointer off the bottom of the window without noticing]) and there's some > push to get rid of it in the normal taskbar. I understand how it could be confusing in the current implementation. With a large overlay showing up on the screen I believe that it will be quite obvious what has happened. I think the graphical feedback will help solve the confusion in this case. > > > I am also trying to integrate the same view for both alt+Tab and alt+ctl > > +Tab. alt+ctl+Tab is not a problem because it is a static linear path. > > The behavior of alt+Tab is difficult because it mimics the window > > stacking and is constantly changing. > > Look at how Alt+Tab is currently implemented (mostly in > src/shell-alttab.c and js/ui/altTab.js). You just need to rewrite > altTab.js to use your UI rather than the standard one; the shell tells > it the right order to put the windows in. > Thanks for the tips, and I understand the implementation. My confusion is rather in the consistency of the actions. Should I just use the same "Drawer" to pop down and re-order the previews on alt+tab to reflect the stacking order, or should I leave the previews stacked as they currently are ( ordered as added to the workspace ) and make the alt+tab action jump around in the order the windows are stacked? The first option seems like the best to me with one draw back. When you alt+tab the drawer will look differently than when you click on the window breadcrumb. This could possibly be cleaned up by animating the windows moving around into the stack order at the beginning of alt+tab. The second option keeps the interface consistent, however there is no indication as to the next window in the alt+tab order making it hard to know how many tabs to hit to quickly get to your desired window via the keyboard. I guess I am leaning to option 1 and adding the animations. This should give proper visual feedback of what is going on and still keep alt+tab intact and useful. Of course option 3 is to just leave alt+tab how it is. :-) Jon From vicariousdm@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 13:10:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18ACE7500D7 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:10:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6826 hrs), (distance 11, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.222.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r57Hlta4YKQ8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-pz0-f183.google.com (mail-pz0-f183.google.com [209.85.222.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5819775006C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:10:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: by pzk13 with SMTP id 13so9070pzk.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:10:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=AjDbFIcaw8+UY8f7BFIS8bpWToaHENimKy5A6ZQrA5M=; b=BZZiNsuOHCN5MSmQ5IyZJ+vH9SIvrf3ZAT/vTTAdT5owB0bW5NatceX9LYYyrvIqWV HDEAouX+itlNIEKXASAHlwT4fMRwNpcbXzuMDpjG+tVsscExQrgFsMSb/wEeVJ5oun/w g3WN1y1bDm+Fh0FjMfl8uR7W/uP2uKvXN7p1Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; b=FMW3f6WtqZBNsykH26I7yFpeUXDGltxYpEG7WA5WpmOFWAH5OK3Wo+zHKogrUwnxco rWgBkaaaIaJ6cV89pJbhUk1Wl9PSMD4CMEhnPKSmkUX0aKbmVqlpKI/oILcvf0jaA7jZ peyg6Fjww5kZpMh6ygiiIvfwNYOt7+5ituMJs= Received: by 10.140.171.8 with SMTP id t8mr1666852rve.63.1246885814936; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from romina.localnet (host103.190-137-239.telecom.net.ar [190.137.239.103]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm28291574rvb.13.2009.07.06.06.10.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Manuel Santos To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Idea for the maximize, minimize and close icons Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:10:08 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.29-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> <753bbf8f0907060518l5fd2ce4eyac503cdcc98040e7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200907061010.08416.vicariousdm@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vicariousdm@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:10:34 -0000 I'm generally just an observer on this list, so excuse my intrusion here :)= but=20 I feel I have something to say this time, related to this. > 2009/7/6 Jos=E9 Luis Ric=F3n : > But in fullscreen you can't see the notification panel, you can't see > the clock, can't click on activities/user and you can't have the left > sidebar (in case that the sidebar option is enabled). > > Also, when you maximize in a layout like the one described the window > title information will be mostly duplicated information (you already > can see the window title at the top bar). This is taking a whole line > of space just for holding 2 buttons, wasn't it one of the goals of > gnome-shell to save screen space and make the desktop more usable in > small screens and netbooks? > How do you suggest then (if the decorations are gone) that we could handle= =20 things like restoring the window to the previous non-maximized size? I gene= rally=20 do this (and maximizing also) by double-clicking the window titlebar. I kno= w=20 there could be ways that this could be done (like in this, IMHO amazing, mo= ckup:=20 http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/desktop/ventanas-inteligentes-en-gnome-3.0 sorr= y for=20 the language but couldn't find another link, anyway that matters is the vid= eo,=20 and the link for gnome-look's mockup is http://www.gnome- look.org/content/show.php/Clever+windows?content=3D107488), but still, the = fastest=20 way to do this with one hand in a simple way (e.g. not having to remember=20 keyboard shortcuts) is through the titlebar. I would like to see some UI changes in GNOME for 3.0, but I'm not sure if=20 removing the titlebar when fullscreen will solve more problems instead of=20 causing them (let's not forget that almost no mainstream WM, i believe, has= a=20 feature like this, so users would be disoriented). Just my .02 Cheers Juan Manuel Santos From artirj@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 13:14:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59002750091 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:14:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2644 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.220.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KAm6u67O4-bD for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:14:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39380750062 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:14:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3675394fxm.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:14:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=W4qsjlKSZ1dbCAV2liZR3Jw9+1Ql1+DDSCXoLuLtD1E=; b=cILVYfIpeuKDdvoO2ofb0gqx9oS7Pl8pr6RMb1N80+tz6lgLTSRefJCEoeRAZWq/OC ouAJvfT9/9lypZSGnfAtElUHA3sW479iUflmgp0dd2PndW1mWnG8fn0DDa3YNpPlPdVU 2MyyCwGY/obtROFYteobjS0fjL/9/shK1T3Bg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fRzxAu9s0RetsXPQ+bTIZO/TejxZ+RAN0z05zxwDnYh9V+ifreYxt1g2Cst77IAOEl 8ndyHc29+Y+jKB+QOoSvd83yMQm9IUMrkUOechntub41SbPsYwK+Th/3Ut7W82BfxuJu 0YTj3gFqADiaqEW/NKCLxnDJb0ZLFIvJx31es= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.66.69 with SMTP id m5mr4602261bki.174.1246886057653; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200907061010.08416.vicariousdm@gmail.com> References: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> <753bbf8f0907060518l5fd2ce4eyac503cdcc98040e7@mail.gmail.com> <200907061010.08416.vicariousdm@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:14:17 +0100 Message-ID: <753bbf8f0907060614u7ea8ff36ub9d6191bf3df10c2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Idea for the maximize, minimize and close icons From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Luis_Ric=F3n?= To: Gnome List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:14:38 -0000 The fullscreen functionality I mention already exists, and nobody complains :) Just go to Firefox-> View->Fullscreen or the same with totem or another program. Maximized !=3DFullscreen . 2009/7/6 Juan Manuel Santos : > I'm generally just an observer on this list, so excuse my intrusion here = :) but > I feel I have something to say this time, related to this. > >> 2009/7/6 Jos=E9 Luis Ric=F3n : > >> But in fullscreen you can't see the notification panel, you can't see >> the clock, can't click on activities/user and you can't have the left >> sidebar (in case that the sidebar option is enabled). >> >> Also, when you maximize in a layout like the one described the window >> title information will be mostly duplicated information (you already >> can see the window title at the top bar). This is taking a whole line >> of space just for holding 2 buttons, wasn't it one of the goals of >> gnome-shell to save screen space and make the desktop more usable in >> small screens and netbooks? >> > > How do you suggest then (if the decorations are gone) that we could handl= e > things like restoring the window to the previous non-maximized size? I ge= nerally > do this (and maximizing also) by double-clicking the window titlebar. I k= now > there could be ways that this could be done (like in this, IMHO amazing, = mockup: > http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/desktop/ventanas-inteligentes-en-gnome-3.0 so= rry for > the language but couldn't find another link, anyway that matters is the v= ideo, > and the link for gnome-look's mockup is http://www.gnome- > look.org/content/show.php/Clever+windows?content=3D107488), but still, th= e fastest > way to do this with one hand in a simple way (e.g. not having to remember > keyboard shortcuts) is through the titlebar. > > I would like to see some UI changes in GNOME for 3.0, but I'm not sure if > removing the titlebar when fullscreen will solve more problems instead of > causing them (let's not forget that almost no mainstream WM, i believe, h= as a > feature like this, so users would be disoriented). > > Just my .02 > > Cheers > Juan Manuel Santos > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > From ferkiwi@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 13:52:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0020075006C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:52:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_RQ=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2384 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lpT8GCYEOkp1 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:52:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB68F750075 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:52:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1218008bwz.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:52:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KKKEp24fn3dNY8doxP6srj4a3/c0GIvFFul+67Hpd9E=; b=RUZkEtc2F7BoQXq0CVnQxWTghQ7Elcb0TEF2Pe5h2RnOSdMzSaemxsB4Hpz35+Awp6 qirLQv8+GISaY0NvXClzIWvRUhF9kxXSxGF9vUhfQgrFDAIV6mlmleeNYXq1mUao3iOG 56w4hfkoMvOiYx7rjDOjU9Ha1CjmThKFDb1tA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xSN6TE8M33KfJiryN139ipRFPjFStPI8lrmHgGX/0dZgsnnFU7/XkJjH7WIn9qIA7n ZWiSRh+Qdw8WxI7QiUVJROiR1+4zcn01iQ+dLpVDODhAJzFp2X4ADpfkHnrXrcOXTeiX lCFuKujGOIF+oFnGA2pJTGmMESPzu1BZbVePQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.114.207 with SMTP id f15mr1989508faq.90.1246888321155; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:52:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200907061010.08416.vicariousdm@gmail.com> References: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> <753bbf8f0907060518l5fd2ce4eyac503cdcc98040e7@mail.gmail.com> <200907061010.08416.vicariousdm@gmail.com> From: Fernando Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:51:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Idea for the maximize, minimize and close icons To: vicariousdm@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:52:21 -0000 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Juan Manuel Santos wrote: > How do you suggest then (if the decorations are gone) that we could handle > things like restoring the window to the previous non-maximized size? I was thinking of using the top bar that there already is, merging top bar and window bar, something like this mockup: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/DesignerPlayground/BreadcrumbsEtc?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=shell-mockup-sanderqd-20090413-02.png > there could be ways that this could be done (like in this, IMHO amazing, mockup: > http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/desktop/ventanas-inteligentes-en-gnome-3.0 sorry for > the language but couldn't find another link, anyway that matters is the video, Thats a really nice video. But I'm not sure about relying so much in dragging. click-dragging is quite painful if you are using, for example, a touchpad. However, I like the behavior when it's maximized. Still I think that the mockup above is more fitting for gnome-shell. So that you dont loose sight of the activities button, etc. I'm not sure about the windows moving automatically to avoid being hidden. Some similar effect could be used without moving the actual windows and breaking up the layout and order that the user might want to keep. > the fastest way to do this with one hand in a simple way (e.g. not having to > remember keyboard shortcuts) is through the titlebar. There should be always a keyboard command for every mouse action and a mouse action for every keyboard command. Personally, I can type a lot of keys per second but I loose a bigger fraction of time when I have to stop using the keyboard just for moving the mouse and aiming. I can set always-on-top windows and open new applications much faster by using the keyboard than the mouse. Moreover, this is not only for convenience but also for accessibility reasons, not everyone can use the mouse (ie. visual impaired people or devices with no mouse) and not everyone can use the keyboard (ie. people with mobility problems in the hands or devices with no keyboard), so there should be always option to use one or the other. -- Fernando From ferkiwi@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 14:25:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167627500C7 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:25:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2389 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5S2NLCR2vEdl for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:25:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F178D750091 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:24:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1250367bwz.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:24:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RYbqhHnr9WhypNDoG222JscT733euprZjhGfp5TMMPk=; b=LTNzY7jIxsfYadZeGHv32GnLs94HQ4pXAyaZUBISRPjD9oP0rRZQ/g4RYSq2i/PtLr WTlCqh2LRagydJnjNZ5nkqMmXFDNPivaUMMe0AU/4KUekmAfZQzPmaslevJAR0VcqOFx /q5p26Sxc3Y0m1AuZo6gpXzf80AbY8yLX4WSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=osksBc6JTSC8XH/9E2WsarR7DX0UCETNeZ2Y7G//z7xImDk8AzQcsfBIeBpzMAsgrF T28A4diuuFpCYENiKGvYDLaY7Ax4I8GBd2yBHJSBo2QNMhKQmzs8jm9sQgrZx5XLX2vD g939/h9Rv5Kcr+mDqZDIw2EdkldEPuqWrlDUA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.114.207 with SMTP id f15mr2019281faq.90.1246890288994; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <753bbf8f0907060614u7ea8ff36ub9d6191bf3df10c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <753bbf8f0907060413ufa392c1hae2ef8a1b1b3d4b9@mail.gmail.com> <753bbf8f0907060518l5fd2ce4eyac503cdcc98040e7@mail.gmail.com> <200907061010.08416.vicariousdm@gmail.com> <753bbf8f0907060614u7ea8ff36ub9d6191bf3df10c2@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:24:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Idea for the maximize, minimize and close icons To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgTHVpcyBSaWPDs24=?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Gnome List X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:25:06 -0000 2009/7/6 Jos=C3=A9 Luis Ric=C3=B3n : > The fullscreen functionality I mention already exists, and nobody > complains :) =C2=A0Just go to Firefox-> View->Fullscreen or the same with > totem or another program. > Maximized !=3DFullscreen . I'm not sure what or who are you replying to, but as I said before (2 comments above) the fullscreen functionality won't let you use the panels, it's hiding useful information. On the other hand the maximize functionality (with title in the top bar) is showing duplicate information. My proposal is to fix the later. Fullscreen mode has a different purpose, it's not just for screen efficiency but for having full focus on an activity (watching a movie, showing something a slideshow/webpage in a conference, etc). Fullscreen mode is not designed to be used full time, because it's hiding useful information. And it will hide every bar (also the side panel). Maximize on the other hand is meant to be for screen efficiency while keeping most of your system information easily visible, at hand. That's why I'm proposing to remove the titlebar for screen efficiency. And keep the minimize/restore/close buttons in the topbar. -- Fernando From ferkiwi@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 15:05:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479BF750062; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:05:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2396 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OMR2X0XBrrCd; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:05:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3066750076; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1288534bwz.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:05:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=B0Wi4z1HYahgG26lOKds2MfwDdQzx/bYEcrWsgAObjs=; b=W+IWYinB8U1d7tNoNzfYSN9WKnU43Q2Dwm0wEvRfJIIsZRMqgtoMRPUETjAnLjw93s jcr+sHqUwh7pO7eNeuQQn1Zl8wMx11+0tmoYGHq4avcPR39PFy0NjubOKIh3IOrv4I85 wp35LnEqKp97mlDhObAIdlzIMAoUn/dqI1RkI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cTEc7htFx3u3cpg76LJ1F4290OlwqbLuIUKr1ymUAYWB0NDgDYg0PwXXmtQLKoVEBb sznNrHSd3GGo4fXkB/iirFgLriyKXSrpsq1gLwQpFOJ/b3I2i4iNu2v7uGpRn+UI8Oi6 uU+jsowyUP9XjdaSbHzaeiW0DDqXfEUmdNgmI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.123.129 with SMTP id p1mr2114100far.0.1246892733070; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:05:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1246885189.2379.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1246871503.2379.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A51EBD4.5010109@gnome.org> <1246885189.2379.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> From: Fernando Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:05:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs To: Jon Nettleton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:05:50 -0000 > On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 08:19 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: >FWIW, this "feature" confuses a lot of people ("I was scrolling in >firefox and suddenly my windows switched around" [because they moved the >pointer off the bottom of the window without noticing]) and there's some > push to get rid of it in the normal taskbar. I think that this problem is mainly due to the taskbar being at the bottom bar (in Gnome 2). The breadcrumbs are at the top bar, and normally you won't use the scroll when you are close to the top in firefox and other programs, because a lot of toolbars are usually in the middle (in fact, you would rather make the firefox tabs scroll before getting closer to the breadcrumbs). On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Jon Nettleton wrote: > Of course option 3 is to just leave alt+tab how it is. :-) Maybe there's a 4th option: have the same recently-used order for the breadcrumb. Is there a particular reason why it's convenient to keep the windows/workspaces in the order they were created instead of the access order? If it's for allowing the middle button scrolling over the breadcrumb, it could be made so that the window change is not done until you move your mouse out of the breadcrumb, in fact, maybe the black box could appear after the first scroll movement providing you with feedback about how much you have to scroll and don't make the box disappear until you move the pointer out of the breadcrumb. What do you think about it? -- Fernando From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 15:14:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE58275006E; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:14:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 4889 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bymT3ZoWYY8H; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:14:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CBD750075; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:14:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so6468601ewy.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9LXLxQfSKqRlC3zkWmL90TesnyNlSUiftXX2bXruLSs=; b=iYMs5qfHL27pm6BSDzTDVgqICLbV7DPaSSpdIXTtyQ4OfqRVrO2iz4u9s5SjlAYJvg E8wEabAwYkgoXrxgtE+6vXR8mzFQMmajehewuuOmXxN+/PdAxJlpfkImlFN3Yolm4FrR rqF20gyQeI7tvVRn/VdEZZtQNeCGs24tLm+iQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=FQDN0xaD+XnYFVZxx9Gj2Axa7tUvXRv7TZSLUtrnZd0hlXfLOqXCsQ2AEFf4qPXLG0 0phu2eOQI2LtnRy+To2KrG3FA48qcXW3rZ0occsHQKTNt9qyUx5CjrchC/fZxF4C9tpg UCSwEJxBf+F6slPy5xZofr5tOsPZ2utKW/g6A= Received: by 10.210.125.7 with SMTP id x7mr3616203ebc.15.1246893245561; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm290619eyz.1.2009.07.06.08.13.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Baking with BreadCrumbs From: Jon Nettleton To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1246659857.2379.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1246871503.2379.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A51EBD4.5010109@gnome.org> <1246885189.2379.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:13:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1246893231.2379.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:14:24 -0000 *snip* > > Maybe there's a 4th option: have the same recently-used order for the > breadcrumb. > > Is there a particular reason why it's convenient to keep the > windows/workspaces in the order they were created instead of the > access order? > There is a very specific reason. When using the mouse it is easiest to access an item again if it is in the same general place. If you continually re-order the windows based on stacking order it becomes very slow to use the mouse. Instead of this workflow, *Remember icon or end of list for new*, Click, begin moving mouse, *scan exact position*, focus, lauch app. You have click, *scan stack to see where window is*, then move mouse, focus, launch app. However because there is no guaranteed muscle memory both *scanning* and moving the mouse take longer. Jon From airsnail@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 21:08:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF44C7500BC for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:08:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2784 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.132.240] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7x815zjzzNq for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:08:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28097750117 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:08:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so1701082ana.18 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:08:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=hormEUYsHNyxGz6nFPqT0TRpjjeh3KpPstK1TT5b9C8=; b=qgZJC4KWbx5mLWapfHJGOHI5qUG7XG1Iq1+6qk8gHemZgxAdekHtXw23FTowYa0Zfj Blzo6oS0+s2A5nxj5BNLBkgSrl0U3IRvEFIiR/QLh8UB8nHFq8O+fRK/Fhynq5Cub0ws nD4U7VYlKrA77a7p6hI/y7VdzhYFDWsTh7opY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uAVWEKzmJqTy2NoHXHtNK+CWUbXavgfiUFSk2yQclRJXvwwNrYpjbLE0R9g/TH3yhb df8H5FrXiKXao1HIcAYFtW3ujgh1zPIpr4IQfErsrsSks8sXftt452gh+gZU8IhdLlcq oHC0AuVhaXHzAv6AWPSxoDBV6BHMAd5VAydgU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.124.11 with SMTP id w11mr9136261anc.165.1246914501650; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:08:21 -0700 Message-ID: <7ff949300907061408u4c7e350cl62d9e818b1111813@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Accommodating the future Firefox? From: Ivan Denker To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e642d154efb205046e0fe79c X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:08:41 -0000 --0016e642d154efb205046e0fe79c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Firefox folks are rethinking tabs, and some of their ideas may be useful to Gnome Shell, or at least worth planning for. (They are considering a left side slide out sidebar, for example, which might compete with Gnome's.) http://limi.net/articles/reinventing-tabs-for-the-browser As excited as I am by all their cool ideas, I worry that as Firefox moves beyond tabs and Gnome moves away from the taskbar, the browser will become an increasingly self-sufficient tab/page manager with a competing interaction paradigm nested inside the shell. Maybe a well-integrated Epiphany could blur the arbitrary distinctions between Web Apps and Desktop Apps? The bread crumb thingie seems like it might offer enough speed and directness to replace browser tabs entirely. (I'd be happiest, for what little it's worth, being able to integrate local apps (Banshee and Transmission, mostly) into Google Chrome. It's got the best taskbar I've used (close buttons, drag and drop, smart sequencing, window tiling), it maximizes screen space, and the new tab page is a perfect menu (frequently used and recently closed stuff, and text search of web pages, my history and my google docs. Just this week they added ingenious ways to pin and remove items.) But I'm mostly just a web surfer...certainly not a "power user".) --0016e642d154efb205046e0fe79c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Firefox folks are rethinking tabs, and some of their ideas may be = useful to Gnome Shell, or at least worth planning for. (They are considerin= g a left side slide out sidebar, for example, which might compete with Gnom= e's.)


As excited as I am by all thei= r cool ideas, I worry that as Firefox moves beyond tabs and Gnome moves awa= y from the taskbar, the browser will become an increasingly self-sufficient= tab/page manager with a competing interaction paradigm nested inside the s= hell. Maybe a well-integrated Epiphany could blur the arbitrary distinction= s between=A0Web Apps and Desktop Apps? The bread crumb thingie seems like i= t might offer enough speed and directness to replace browser tabs entirely.=

(I'd be happiest, for what little it's worth, b= eing able to integrate local apps (Banshee and Transmission, mostly) into G= oogle Chrome. It's got the best taskbar I've used (close buttons, d= rag and drop, smart sequencing, window tiling), it maximizes screen space, = and the new tab page is a perfect menu (frequently used and recently closed= stuff, and text search of web pages, my history and my google docs. Just t= his week they added=A0ingenious=A0ways to pin and remove items.) But I'= m mostly just a web surfer...certainly not a "power user".)
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(x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1237200eyh.40.2009.07.06.17.01.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 From: Jon Nettleton To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:01:32 +0200 Message-Id: <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:01:56 -0000 On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 08:06 -0500, Josh Adams wrote: > I've always been a huge fan of sanders' breadcrumbs, and felt they > didn't get the love they deserved. I think you've taken that branch > and made with the goodness that clutter/js makes easy, and for that I > publicly salute you :) > > I'd love to suggest that you grab a github.com account and put this > code up in a repository, a la sanders' workflow. DVCS makes > collaboration a win. > > Again, three cheers and whatnot. This is what I always imagined that > branch would turn into :) Any interest in recording a quick > screencast? > -- Okay okay I have finally cleaned up the code enough that I can publish it. It isn't 100% stable, but is very usable. I know I also have things to implement like window notifications and alt+tab and such. I took today to implement my code using TidyGrid and fixing a few other things. I have never done a ScreenCast so I wasn't sure what people would want to see. Here is my shot at trying to illustrate my Live Crumbs work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL8472OXtAg Last but not least. For those that dare I have pushed my changes to github. You can try out the code with git remote add -f linux4kix git://github.com/linux4kix/gnome-shell.git git checkout linux4kix/livecrumbs I would love to hear feedback. Enjoy, Jon From ankere@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 07:18:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E9E750106 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:18:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2823 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.220.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T++GIJQL7m3A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:18:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7E07500E9 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:18:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4375774fxm.15 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:18:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SHLXz7JAd8GkSbNGa/TwkiwhcsyTEgs04xPBeNIAc+E=; b=liFXEZA2OfnvQGOKyRPbHNr1Vw4UoHClsX0+dvtqkW3weRu3TDvvFT0GnQE6zuWU5X Ts1Jiu+c+QUDOsW+fLV3MDR7cy6ApakKMORgieOmkssIz7wFsiiN3Se02NxDVDMKHkmj 87KTKBv5K7es3YbDmVPXjmMn3KvRmCeT+mcqQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=vWiQzxu+mPPnawYq3yG4M9x2/HLrREIo8I3kNpCH08Y8VsXtNpAVfhcLH3r0UO60u0 J5+8JYOUEtiX3vbg5T0maPdTgxif8EojdvZNkLz6a7z9OCMav4GLTY6syFyi7OsDHJ/9 RrYwW5Z+DW7NtugfhznpM1yfMQCmzmF3bwKV0= Received: by 10.103.160.9 with SMTP id m9mr3102211muo.96.1246951107401; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?78.90.104.233? ([78.90.104.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm37284927mue.12.2009.07.07.00.18.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 From: Anton Kerezov To: Jon Nettleton In-Reply-To: <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:18:24 +0300 Message-Id: <1246951104.4164.22.camel@Asparuh> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:18:47 -0000 Ð’ 02:01 +0200 на 07.07.2009 (вт), Jon Nettleton напиÑа: > Okay okay I have finally cleaned up the code enough that I can publish > it. It isn't 100% stable, but is very usable. I know I also have > things to implement like window notifications and alt+tab and such. I > took today to implement my code using TidyGrid and fixing a few other > things. > > I have never done a ScreenCast so I wasn't sure what people would want > to see. Here is my shot at trying to illustrate my Live Crumbs work. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL8472OXtAg > This is the best thing that could happen to Gnome's usability IMO. I would very much like to have this in the final 3.0 version and if it's not there it would be pity. I think that there are still some design issues such as coolness and like usability but I guess the first one is going to wait a bit. The one most visible is the repetition of data in the panel and the window's titlebar. Maybe one solution is to have in the titlebar display only the name of the application + icon and the top panel - the filename and app icon thus making the breadcrumbs associated with document model and an easy way to navigate documents. But then how we would control applications that could use more than one docs (e.g. several tabs in FF or some pictures in gimp)? P.S. Your screencast is generally good but you might consider slowing down a bit the movements of your mouse so that everybody can follow it and maybe adding some bg sound ;) Anton From mister.wardrop@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 07:37:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45D77500E9 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:37:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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(60-240-184-81.static.tpgi.com.au [60.240.184.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm2574246rvb.53.2009.07.07.00.37.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Notification Icons From: Matthew Wardrop To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:37:06 +1000 Message-Id: <1246952226.29116.0.camel@themadhatter-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.27.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:37:28 -0000 Dear all, I noticed that the outline and background that used to surround the notification icons is gone. I very much liked that; it made things feel polished. Is there a reason it was removed? Kind Regards, Matthew From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 08:52:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BC37501B7 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:52:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5065 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sjqtrz3Ezy13 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:52:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CF2750096 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:52:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so7287193ewy.15 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:52:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VBiiM4zTze5SdRgELpN2JBojDGZc5Mm5VeyJreCiwj8=; b=fp+dsFwhqUWCbCKTaKx+moWm+LPazZWK64T74pXomjgFODkSbcZFOtJi6Wr5kfFVO/ GRW10/VrC/DqMtcGn+itlCTTTThXsvyhtMsLPr+zTAfEsa1Nwu5E3OEHiVHmX9GBhyLh srNMvYZMf6krs7ISh+9oUfVb7PfdIEmT0fOl4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=RWPfdzDm5ESqJz1+y9aY/lyTZhWWiv8ql/VR9UxieXUJYBARcFyD0OYgTyXPqtJcQc WEanvTBoG4H05VQ0sV+UYoAO2c7rZl1JqO/MVXBLaB4yTxgD2i6Jo4kY3A8r+9BHvjQu wgJcf6WngvvkJkP0J17rcwpLasb5/LcLHkI40= Received: by 10.210.132.3 with SMTP id f3mr6821148ebd.41.1246956746955; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm2853927eyz.51.2009.07.07.01.52.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 From: Jon Nettleton To: Anton Kerezov In-Reply-To: <1246951104.4164.22.camel@Asparuh> References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1246951104.4164.22.camel@Asparuh> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:52:25 +0200 Message-Id: <1246956745.32660.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:52:45 -0000 *snip* > > > This is the best thing that could happen to Gnome's usability IMO. I > would very much like to have this in the final 3.0 version and if it's > not there it would be pity. I think that there are still some design > issues such as coolness and like usability but I guess the first one is > going to wait a bit. The one most visible is the repetition of data in > the panel and the window's titlebar. Maybe one solution is to have in > the titlebar display only the name of the application + icon and the top > panel - the filename and app icon thus making the breadcrumbs associated > with document model and an easy way to navigate documents. But then how > we would control applications that could use more than one docs (e.g. > several tabs in FF or some pictures in gimp)? Thanks for the input. I was already thinking about doing something like this to help differentiate information and make the crumbs look cleaner. The best I could come up with was to display the wm_class as the windowcrumb text. It is a bit abusive I think but works visually. I have also added the code so the workspace crumb only shows up if there are multiple workspaces. This gets us back to the simple use case for basic users. I am just brutishly showing the workspace crumb when multiple workspaces are there. This should have an animation where the window crumb slides over and the workspace crumb fades in. I will get to that after I finish up window notifications. > > P.S. > Your screencast is generally good but you might consider slowing down a > bit the movements of your mouse so that everybody can follow it and > maybe adding some bg sound ;) Thanks for the input I will keep it in mind. This was just a quick screencast to show the functionality I was providing. Anyone is more than welcome to grab my branch and make a better one. Jon From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 09:14:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621C6750067 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:14:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BH=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5069 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x42W8+VrXfFa for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:14:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF3A7500AE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:14:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so7303762ewy.15 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NkWvMWq+dDy2EJX6P59LgsS2AKF+985pw/LMDJLlccg=; b=Hj6klJAkePoZuLWtO/3JakHQlManp1dB8O81Hr1hGwLJvsWKE6Lg4dUsLklM7ZdXtO dKOwFAH12mGL4wtrD5pT7QXkc6TcItrBA7wwYg63KQwQsYPO3QhfzTE30BYVxV7Xzb+T FsxTG6H++H/08fpBLWouwT+hslh1oT4r4FEFA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ANakA2E+5ODblPaVg1HzMO9QdIxt7qL4nQ3vIaRGeBrBxhHQv0oVKM0LStSoIK+xRy WgS5ouiBvRdsLAl8WyVsHLU0ruSMxhgwO4zpAhiOT2uR+NMknCLcimpW0iaag1488Ub6 gNl7ybnWtRjf0KgTBfxnV3Y3bou66so8unyhQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.1.69 with SMTP id 47mr1484015wec.224.1246958037841; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:13:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1246956745.32660.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1246951104.4164.22.camel@Asparuh> <1246956745.32660.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:13:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 From: Jon Nettleton To: Anton Kerezov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:14:15 -0000 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Jon Nettleton wro= te: > *snip* >> >> >> This is the best thing that could happen to Gnome's usability IMO. I >> would very much like to have this in the final 3.0 version and if it's >> not there it would be pity. I think that there are still some design >> issues such as coolness and like usability but I guess the first one is >> going to wait a bit. The one most visible is the repetition of data in >> the panel and the window's titlebar. Maybe one solution is to have in >> the titlebar display only the name of the application + icon and the top >> panel - the filename and app icon thus making the breadcrumbs associated >> with document model and an easy way to navigate documents. But then how >> we would control applications that could use more than one docs (e.g. >> several tabs in FF or some pictures in gimp)? > > Thanks for the input. =C2=A0I was already thinking about doing something = like > this to help differentiate information and make the crumbs look cleaner. > The best I could come up with was to display the wm_class as the > windowcrumb text. =C2=A0It is a bit abusive I think but works visually. > > I have also added the code so the workspace crumb only shows up if there > are multiple workspaces. =C2=A0This gets us back to the simple use case f= or > basic users. =C2=A0I am just brutishly showing the workspace crumb when > multiple workspaces are there. =C2=A0This should have an animation where = the > window crumb slides over and the workspace crumb fades in. =C2=A0I will g= et > to that after I finish up window notifications. > >> >> P.S. >> Your screencast is generally good but you might consider slowing down a >> bit the movements of your mouse so that everybody can follow it and >> maybe adding some bg sound ;) > > Thanks for the input I will keep it in mind. =C2=A0This was just a quick > screencast to show the functionality I was providing. =C2=A0Anyone is mor= e > than welcome to grab my branch and make a better one. > woops forgot the obligatory screenshots. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/eQLApwGVaB14yHksZe4I8Q?feat=3Ddirectli= nk http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0u4s-bhxFnNiz3oN-5e7hw?feat=3Ddirectli= nk Jon From siggi.gevatter@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 09:32:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8A67500AE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:32:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 2847 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.220.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BghFx-TaqZ3S for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:32:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFED6750096 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:31:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4466530fxm.15 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:31:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9RaLhjg1cfbdFQdpKvlZqX7TSSez0RR4VLVT2b5JOmw=; b=o0Eed8kJTEraUCisJ20w/2yolfKb2UK/ljiBK9yR2jounxE5+NsZJaG29blik5SduE FMW0YyhvxJi8sYPszby2syx4xKNCj6a0wHMmwdY29/AnKufwzTC4p0RnRpsoMuZkt/9s yTWhvIrXbz75lCfDPKZMX5rt5//qs3uxNLCLI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dTwIEmrI6IxcxCzmN4nPU9r5lEmbEGhikX2eSs61deRzTrQVDcP95MgADa303/jWK4 skRal4IuWnOyJYTyJFfudntiaU2v4WOiPcFV69AK6qkdryuYyZITMHOgdw76aowA/Q10 fC32HK5A0F+aGDrOuwyZBTnSjkOOTVzZ53ng0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.122.204 with SMTP id m12mr2598361far.73.1246959110657; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:31:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1246952226.29116.0.camel@themadhatter-laptop> References: <1246952226.29116.0.camel@themadhatter-laptop> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:31:50 +0200 Message-ID: <357b51820907070231t45607e6g1d627cd9e5ac08e2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Notification Icons From: Siegfried-Angel To: Matthew Wardrop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:32:06 -0000 I think it looks better now, that box looked kinda weird. -- Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) Ubuntu Developer. Debian Contributor. From danw@gnome.org Tue Jul 7 12:56:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCF675006B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:56:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: NetBSD 3.0 (DF), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [69.25.196.35] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZE+VlOwNw0z for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:56:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mysterion.org (mysterion.org [69.25.196.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C103750096 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:55:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from x61.home.mysterion.org (lan-nat-pool-bos.redhat.com [66.187.234.200]) by mysterion.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E8913802AE; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A5345C0.6010202@gnome.org> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:55:28 -0400 From: Dan Winship User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090513 Fedora/3.0-2.3.beta2.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Wardrop Subject: Re: Notification Icons References: <1246952226.29116.0.camel@themadhatter-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1246952226.29116.0.camel@themadhatter-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:56:06 -0000 On 07/07/2009 03:37 AM, Matthew Wardrop wrote: > Dear all, > > I noticed that the outline and background that used to surround the > notification icons is gone. I very much liked that; it made things feel > polished. Is there a reason it was removed? It was only there to hide another bug; the panel is partially transparent, but tray icons don't support transparency properly with older versions of gtk. So if you're using gtk 2.14, we added the box, but if you're using gtk 2.16, you get transparent icons like you're supposed to instead. -- Dan From merkinman@hotmail.com Tue Jul 7 14:55:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C810E75013F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:55:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.821 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.821 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7, TW_BH=0.077, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [65.55.90.218] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D27jN7swh9oL for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:55:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from snt0-omc4-s15.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s15.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D98A750085 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:55:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SNT106-W61 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s15.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:55:12 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3c9076a3-48cc-4a3f-81cd-dc50a3989b3c_" X-Originating-IP: [24.0.97.166] From: Mark Curtis To: Subject: RE: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:55:13 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1246951104.4164.22.camel@Asparuh> <1246956745.32660.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2009 14:55:12.0981 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE54F850:01C9FF12] X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:55:33 -0000 --_3c9076a3-48cc-4a3f-81cd-dc50a3989b3c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the best thing about those screenshots is they don't have the sideb= ar... Breadcrumbs do bring something new to the table=2C and a good thing at that > Date: Tue=2C 7 Jul 2009 11:13:57 +0200 > Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest=2C Vol 9=2C Issue 2 > From: jon.nettleton@gmail.com > To: ankere@gmail.com > CC: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org >=20 > On Tue=2C Jul 7=2C 2009 at 10:52 AM=2C Jon Nettleton wrote: > > *snip* > >> > >> > >> This is the best thing that could happen to Gnome's usability IMO. I > >> would very much like to have this in the final 3.0 version and if it's > >> not there it would be pity. I think that there are still some design > >> issues such as coolness and like usability but I guess the first one i= s > >> going to wait a bit. The one most visible is the repetition of data in > >> the panel and the window's titlebar. Maybe one solution is to have in > >> the titlebar display only the name of the application + icon and the t= op > >> panel - the filename and app icon thus making the breadcrumbs associat= ed > >> with document model and an easy way to navigate documents. But then ho= w > >> we would control applications that could use more than one docs (e.g. > >> several tabs in FF or some pictures in gimp)? > > > > Thanks for the input. I was already thinking about doing something lik= e > > this to help differentiate information and make the crumbs look cleaner= . > > The best I could come up with was to display the wm_class as the > > windowcrumb text. It is a bit abusive I think but works visually. > > > > I have also added the code so the workspace crumb only shows up if ther= e > > are multiple workspaces. This gets us back to the simple use case for > > basic users. I am just brutishly showing the workspace crumb when > > multiple workspaces are there. This should have an animation where the > > window crumb slides over and the workspace crumb fades in. I will get > > to that after I finish up window notifications. > > > >> > >> P.S. > >> Your screencast is generally good but you might consider slowing down = a > >> bit the movements of your mouse so that everybody can follow it and > >> maybe adding some bg sound =3B) > > > > Thanks for the input I will keep it in mind. This was just a quick > > screencast to show the functionality I was providing. Anyone is more > > than welcome to grab my branch and make a better one. > > >=20 >=20 > woops forgot the obligatory screenshots. >=20 > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/eQLApwGVaB14yHksZe4I8Q?feat=3Ddirect= link >=20 > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0u4s-bhxFnNiz3oN-5e7hw?feat=3Ddirect= link >=20 > Jon > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync.=20 http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009= --_3c9076a3-48cc-4a3f-81cd-dc50a3989b3c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the best thing about those screenshots is they don't have the sideb= ar...

Breadcrumbs do bring something new to the table=2C and a good = thing at that

>=3B Date: Tue=2C 7 Jul 2009 11:13:57 +0200
>= =3B Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest=2C Vol 9=2C Issue 2
>=3B From= : jon.nettleton@gmail.com
>=3B To: ankere@gmail.com
>=3B CC: gnom= e-shell-list@gnome.org
>=3B
>=3B On Tue=2C Jul 7=2C 2009 at 10:5= 2 AM=2C Jon Nettleton<=3Bjon.nettleton@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B &= gt=3B *snip*
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B= >=3B This is the best thing that could happen to Gnome's usability IMO. I=
>=3B >=3B>=3B would very much like to have this in the final 3.0 = version and if it's
>=3B >=3B>=3B not there it would be pity. I th= ink that there are still some design
>=3B >=3B>=3B issues such as = coolness and like usability but I guess the first one is
>=3B >=3B&g= t=3B going to wait a bit. The one most visible is the repetition of data in=
>=3B >=3B>=3B the panel and the window's titlebar. Maybe one solu= tion is to have in
>=3B >=3B>=3B the titlebar display only the nam= e of the application + icon and the top
>=3B >=3B>=3B panel - the = filename and app icon thus making the breadcrumbs associated
>=3B >= =3B>=3B with document model and an easy way to navigate documents. But th= en how
>=3B >=3B>=3B we would control applications that could use = more than one docs (e.g.
>=3B >=3B>=3B several tabs in FF or some = pictures in gimp)?
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Thanks for the input. =  =3BI was already thinking about doing something like
>=3B >=3B = this to help differentiate information and make the crumbs look cleaner.>=3B >=3B The best I could come up with was to display the wm_class as= the
>=3B >=3B windowcrumb text.  =3BIt is a bit abusive I think= but works visually.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I have also added th= e code so the workspace crumb only shows up if there
>=3B >=3B are m= ultiple workspaces.  =3BThis gets us back to the simple use case for>=3B >=3B basic users.  =3BI am just brutishly showing the workspa= ce crumb when
>=3B >=3B multiple workspaces are there.  =3BThis = should have an animation where the
>=3B >=3B window crumb slides ove= r and the workspace crumb fades in.  =3BI will get
>=3B >=3B to = that after I finish up window notifications.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B P.S.
>=3B >=3B>=3B Your screencas= t is generally good but you might consider slowing down a
>=3B >=3B&= gt=3B bit the movements of your mouse so that everybody can follow it and>=3B >=3B>=3B maybe adding some bg sound =3B)
>=3B >=3B
&= gt=3B >=3B Thanks for the input I will keep it in mind.  =3BThis was = just a quick
>=3B >=3B screencast to show the functionality I was pr= oviding.  =3BAnyone is more
>=3B >=3B than welcome to grab my br= anch and make a better one.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>= =3B woops forgot the obligatory screenshots.
>=3B
>=3B http://pi= casaweb.google.com/lh/photo/eQLApwGVaB14yHksZe4I8Q?feat=3Ddirectlink
>= =3B
>=3B http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0u4s-bhxFnNiz3oN-5e7hw?= feat=3Ddirectlink
>=3B
>=3B Jon
>=3B ______________________= _________________________
>=3B gnome-shell-list mailing list
>=3B= gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
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Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. = Check it out. = --_3c9076a3-48cc-4a3f-81cd-dc50a3989b3c_-- From allanpday@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 15:55:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E3375013F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:55:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5136 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L0Ia-8ImQSXx for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:55:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3EB7500AE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:54:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so7676495ewy.15 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=w+HYXx3W6RyW6DUTq83hxtLn/fCRQRdN7Ulg/Ozs2nY=; b=bsKbLCqw6uZZE79w/Z7Q0X589/94z2APl7uQxhZQkhoofJMks32LA/0W8V2aweP2ql mnrJA/Yb3+kplpx0VHh4tRvAnHE0/qQZpEqLtoySletpat7YH7ESzx5e35BnSwB0ij/q 0I8VQKnpgRdw/x/ga6ypWOI/Kbqb3lDveFeP4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=YPEglAB/HtHyLyF3SaRfP+sDfPkPT/ubDlNG5xKSvwP2iA69QnYrZy3w/LxJW0YM7Y a0uN13jHJTHsCa/1unuumWgZIvqlsNW1K/ja4IhBm4EhWFmQNCPNtRKGzh7a+Tjc1KCn 0IU8mZNDV81X7AunW93Iq2anxswyo3UQdqRBQ= Received: by 10.210.125.7 with SMTP id x7mr5279005ebc.96.1246982090904; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.132.213? (198.Red-80-59-108.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.59.108.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm200549eya.49.2009.07.07.08.54.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Do-ifying GNOME Shell From: Allan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:54:47 +0100 Message-Id: <1246982087.3210.17.camel@banjo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: allanpday@gmail.com List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:55:08 -0000 Hi all, I'm new to this list... hello! I've got a design idea for you: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/DesignerPlayground/Do-ifyingGnomeShell/ The idea is to apply some of the features of GNOME Do to the Shell overlay (particularly the search box). I don't have any fancy mockups yet, just ideas. Feedback and comments are most welcome. Best, Allan From bennet@gedan.net Tue Jul 7 22:32:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127EE7500A8 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:32:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 722 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 65Ho-Xr+ivOl for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:32:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DA575008A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:32:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-590deb89.pool.einsundeins.de [89.13.235.137]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FD4C610A9 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:32:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 From: Bennet Gedan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:31:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1247005912.4157.26.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:32:47 -0000 2009/07/07 02:01 +0200, Jon Nettleton: > git remote add -f linux4kix git://github.com/linux4kix/gnome-shell.git > git checkout linux4kix/livecrumbs Thank you so much, this is a great enhancement to sanders breadcrumb-design and it's working in a really convenient way. I've tried with many workspace and windows, and it even scales perfect for many workspaces and open windows. I love how easy it is to switch between windows from one workspace to an other one. This is really sexy. I've encountered a bug though: If you've got many workspaces open, stick with one and open the activity overlay, removing all workspaces but one, sets the livecrumb to the last active workspace, wich was selected before starting the overlay. This workspace however is no longer existing so the breadcrums, workspace and window-switching do not work anymore. Further it would be nice to have some form of animation for the livecrum overlay like blending it in or something like that. It feels a bit rough and it's flickering when you're using the workspaces overlay. I think this is a great idea of what could be a great new user interface to what once was a taskbar in standard desktop paradigm. Thank you so much for your effort. Keep up the good work. From bennet@gedan.net Tue Jul 7 22:47:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473217500BF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:47:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 722 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GpFf0glL3Tmc for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:47:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F191D750095 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:47:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-590deb89.pool.einsundeins.de [89.13.235.137]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B669AC60F4B for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:47:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: How to support? From: Bennet Gedan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:46:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1247006790.4157.56.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:47:22 -0000 Hi, I'm a bit confused about what would be the best way to support the approaches gnome-shell does: 1. bug-report at bugzilla 2. commenting and feedback at the mailing-list 3. bring up new design ideas at gnome-shell-wiki and come up with new code 1.: Are bug-reports encouraged for the plain-vanilla tree of gnome-shell or should branches be included into bug reports. Which branches should be followed and tracked and what branches will "officially" sooner or later be merged into the vanilla trunk? 2.: The same thing: Which branches and ideas to follow, tryout and comment to? Where are so many great single ideas, some of theme nicely to be merged together, some of them contrary in ideas or designs. Some of them might not follow the guidelines the main developers might have in mind. 3.: There's a lot clutter around of different ideas, same things done differently, or somehow "controversial" design ideas for the same idea. There's missing and overview in which directions development should be heading and Don't get me wrong, this is perfectly normal for a young and evolving project like gnome-shell is, but it would be nice for testers to know in which way developing of the main tree is heading, what might be the main design and interface usage idea for a possible gnome 3.0 integration and what would finally hit gnome 3.0. Just to keep feedback generating much white noise for features never intended to hit the final release. Happy coding, happy testing and thanks so much for these great ideas and desktop experience renewal! Bennet From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Wed Jul 8 12:47:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B7475016E for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:47:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5344 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u18N8d1HhDfG for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:47:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A66750156 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:47:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so8573982ewy.15 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:47:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fm0VPpolytD2JAGV8JeMPuG82fbbD3hjiVHEYbQPDPc=; b=xSw+32dLQWbwB0CZS8GYRlqgefZ5ELVpw/C++oJPF7dJ5ZZpOmKIUULN7A49OIczzn +/t+H2OnmtktZpvTfFKrAcR3XVuL4WGngDmWUMwqvbWEzxlk03rfiFTOlXlRyWGY6zvT 8nArVEy3YU8EZaLx55dAluuNMSbosw5W/WGXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=CK36Da4SIwv/mXbZoIWNiidU5kUEU0XmysAuHzaTpC7UJaj20S0l40qGTgeNUXpEgG Ocp00nw2STrfLNsxeu7OlHEVAWR1/7y4p5dN7//x2P9WlOgSXb8XFhWDNr/B+wHA+W8r agADAVpLICySEperH1ItMokuvWklpSGlv/VFk= Received: by 10.210.135.17 with SMTP id i17mr7354391ebd.27.1247057221988; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1680765eyg.19.2009.07.08.05.47.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 From: Jon Nettleton To: bennet@gedan.net In-Reply-To: <1247005912.4157.26.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1247005912.4157.26.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:46:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1247057219.761.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:47:20 -0000 > Thank you so much, this is a great enhancement to sanders > breadcrumb-design and it's working in a really convenient way. I've > tried with many workspace and windows, and it even scales perfect for > many workspaces and open windows. I love how easy it is to switch > between windows from one workspace to an other one. This is really sexy. Thanks. Wait until you see it in lingerie :-) > > I've encountered a bug though: If you've got many workspaces open, stick > with one and open the activity overlay, removing all workspaces but one, > sets the livecrumb to the last active workspace, wich was selected > before starting the overlay. This workspace however is no longer > existing so the breadcrums, workspace and window-switching do not work > anymore. Yeah I now about this. Originally sanders was using Wnck to catch active-workspace-changed, which appeared to be having some problems. I have submitted a patch to mutter so we can get a signal direct from the window manager. This appears to have fixed my problems. Once we get that committed to mutter git I will push my updates to use it to my git repository. > > Further it would be nice to have some form of animation for the livecrum > overlay like blending it in or something like that. It feels a bit rough > and it's flickering when you're using the workspaces overlay. yes there is definitely polish to put on it. I am just working by myself and want to focus on the core of the technology and the gnome-shell integration. Once everything is working, I will make it look pretty. -Jon From ark_mage2@yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 16:06:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D79750177 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:06:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 6.x (1) (up: 413 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [206.190.38.146] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F-ciuHUGSe6P for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.146]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB2AF7500E4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 42525 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2009 16:05:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1246982755; bh=ftIMet9jE7Migq8wWCX3DlrGY07ECn9o393HDE6RraY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v4Ziq6cM8vPtDAdxxFloDwqpbz4F0ntepEL3+EOc4BEOQOwm/l6OgIluaIJdFpTiqt/qHF8QS++u6p/VzNsu0Jy+AgUJVoczyZyHx9ruDfnBmO4cX/dSLO8cPvGs1gxUD6bh/NoKETSVOZgJnQLHnoHTtlmLsPPhi+tJWtKXWKg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iBXEbLKSXZEbBGO5np6T52MZYejeVPJY7/0RX7UGjCOvztKoA5hfqfBzgog5A2mjvhRD4MjScR92Velvjx0dUiModT2SSEMKGdOGZPdOF0ARmCi6xOYCeNpPH7WC0vJ870HHylvZ7kzE/VzZtDp9YmA+jnGibUBUJ9eOBcYnHEY=; Message-ID: <700565.42122.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EN3A_6wVM1kAi3PlV.LCOO0eXkWNN4OR6j_qVLlrF80YSHuHjlazNwI2sZHVxujSE1uaJ1b20F49XsFATvX6QUHNHczYnlNbhpLXgIaFABaJiQeatrbTOBHKIAKpInW5BCJiF9DkY2dWzYIKRG5FLKhI_v9K2TpnhXu9hS1XJ7bQlZcwX01Y8c3E2KaJzeH500oRD1NSD74EyFKiIqqYWa4fCasrPM6B3KD6fBH4tFNRmQJS6t1bpgq_.d7SfbSfL0OfGb95C2sfQxHkVlGcwA62_zwvraTfKQTMkBkIc.fVmPJUgW1UH7GE3p9eqysInTwE5D8- Received: from [98.24.90.164] by web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:05:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Billy Juliani Subject: A nicer overlay To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:22:46 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:06:16 -0000 Hi, my name is Billy. I really like the way that the gnome shell is coming and wanted to contribute some ideas. I was thinking how to make the overlay that appears when "Activities" is clicked look better when I remembered an old Windows mockup that could work for the overlay. The mockup is here http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/diamondanim.jpg Here is what it could look like for the gnome shell: http://i27.tinypic.com/a5c5fn.png http://i25.tinypic.com/2mcamwx.png Obviously it would have to be tweaked to work with the gnome shell and fit into the general gnome look, but I think it is better than the current overlay. From a.saefkow@googlemail.com Wed Jul 8 22:44:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43F9750072 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:44:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 3219 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.220.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tyhKVMXH9oZc for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:44:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E58750070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:43:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so5934245fxm.15 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:43:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RADy0R2Z95WDa62UbXxCylNsG3kU1AX8XddilGVJR9A=; b=wl/XClVVFBNcHiTatp8m30CDz5bMmRIGOqUwV87lujhBQIRztVI6AKTb3Oxw8Q6rxI BTX1byfE7qZSWseGyybNDHEizb+I52EpWpNzQtm87fzWtUdHSD8HGrF6oTpLfdeaWsxH 5fOd6ksAUfvotYQh8MWOvpvQc5kMgG+h1zNk0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=NtEwYW5WIyc065bggvMWy1ZSsbxQxT26PCjqItRkrR7tF/BAL24WRUh4yOr8BkPoJt B4GwcRIGW6nkl2LGQDOJKdz3jmayBV5j5raDh4Z66Z7KfZN92+0R+sZAr3CQ2J81qe6S qAsza3EMglMZA3EhiXL/zkCxO9guHB6BN/lF0= Received: by 10.204.113.208 with SMTP id b16mr27332bkq.179.1247093030665; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.220.100? (BADad61.bad.pppool.de [77.131.173.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm4458160bwz.32.2009.07.08.15.43.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: some ideas for improvement From: "a.saefkow" To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:43:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1247093025.11376.6.camel@baikonur.samsung.router> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:03:55 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:44:12 -0000 Hallo, as i were interested in gnome3.0 I tested the shell and i have to confess, that i'm pretty impressed, but there are a few topics, i'd like to bring up, to improve the shell (not sure if u already got that): #virtual desktops -ctrl + alt + cursor shall move on on end/beginning -ctrl+alt+NUM shall jump to respective VD (if existing) #dock -no need for clock in dock -10 or 12 last used docs in "recently used" dock, or use full free space -dock shall not move windows and data on desktop, but overlay them #panel(s) -date in top panel as calender (as in 2.x but app-indipendent) -no bottom panel if there is no window open/ app running -rhythmbox e.o. later started apps shall apear left of automaticly started ones (to keep the appearance more coherant) #Activities -recent documents, shall be removed from Activities shell (only a button?) -therefore use the space for more last used apps -while using search, Applications and Documents shall use the free space more efficent, so if there are no or only few docs/apps the other category shall be able to use the free space #open question(s) where to include Zeitgeist? Thanks and i hope it was of any help DieB From gianni.moschini@gmail.com Fri Jul 10 10:09:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99947500EB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:09:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 3573 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.220.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5NT3R8a6l9-L for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:09:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698977501EC for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:09:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so818625fxm.15 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:09:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ET/7dC8O0l4ThFQYZ+68TFMyO138mtnQX7ktSGgzhHc=; b=LuRZKtB5ARLLISmYihUpDvvhawHdtL5cTQsCOyii8X/HlMwJ0Bzt/kKKceaiTwKkX3 D6z+lK+udwGjNQfh6Ac0JIVpe96mwZkW4BYiJYVdEiMztoBnAZp5jvJegcbHVD6ne1Pn yWcFGeqHBIz9yl3IXPRheR2SbDyIAZpOmOXGc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iaRxOpsZgyj7BIJVjYR6fCgIJQGpsNmYaUkJBQWJkdYmkjGeVaq8uM/LcMR+7aPA4D kcpJjmhkzPshnYuuschpoB9C1vhy9HuqjVP29lWafAT04aKIUsHqoZNbneXnlv1BR0j8 0R3dlghWw/3A4A/nv5MCygDg9dQDuJivW02pI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.54.80 with SMTP id p16mr1735274bkg.115.1247220564802; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:09:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4561bf430907100309t38acedd8v2f63ffc68a56fa96@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Changing the theme format From: Gianni Moschini To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b844b8bcd8046e572ae0 X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:09:45 -0000 --001636c5b844b8bcd8046e572ae0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About the theme editor thing, I would really like to help designing this. I have been working on a prototype not too long ago, for the drawing part only. It draws lines, rectangles, arcs, gradients, tints, images, and texts. But I realized it needs a lot more of discussion on how to relate all of this with the theme format used by metacity. See Metacity Themer, it's unusable by a designer. https://launchpad.net/mct And I think it would be great to have an easy theme designer software around. But it seems there are no much interest for this. Feel free to contact me directly if you want to discuss about it. On a side note, I've been hit by a bug while developing the prototype (everything was done using Python). The gradient_create_multi function is not callable from Python, as far as I know, and I've been stuck with this since then. Reference: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=584259 --001636c5b844b8bcd8046e572ae0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About the theme editor thing, I would really like to help designing this.
I have been working on a prototype not too long ago, for the drawing = part only. It draws lines, rectangles, arcs, gradients, tints, images, and = texts. But I realized it needs a lot more of discussion on how to relate al= l of this with the theme format used by metacity.

See Metacity Themer, it's unusable by a designer.

https://launchpad.net/mct

And I thin= k it would be great to have an easy theme designer software around. But it = seems there are no much interest for this.

Feel free to contact me directly if you want to discuss about it.

On a side note, I've been hit by a bug while developing the proto= type (everything was done using Python). The gradient_create_multi function= is not callable from Python, as far as I know, and I've been stuck wit= h this since then.

Reference: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D584259



--001636c5b844b8bcd8046e572ae0-- From dstansby@googlemail.com Fri Jul 10 10:23:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1E275022F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:23:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.798 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:47:0:60:M1430,S,T,N,W9:.:?:?] (up: 6275 hrs), (link: (Google 2)), [74.125.78.25] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1DU6IqD5EH94 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:23:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E133750101 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:23:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so168282eyd.53 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=lHPnXhOGtUh1ceRRZWKJkeJFPRJS40JaMzkRq/fpPcM=; b=sg3q0KKrGVDp0/d6dwB9WQzsnLpO6yO5SrO12AlqGn4/uV1xROCZ8fnzLTRJC27tRb b8iAEegCPxppnWUf+Bf4DBgOkmZO1LaFgt1pBYHo3jqdWsTtvplthh1NW3Tc9nXeEOiC dshl3wQMt91YufO+WSadQ7HSL88uHLwh9IEQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=k6IM3wiXl3ZWUVD6hKGwRmNGtqEQs2WiRyK5oNy1gznfwxwHfRpxPuDya3A+uB6KUG JTMStkFZbBousX0aL1okNC5zrZFo/VoTwGCnV1No3QYJQdBJ/5NI6jxkzNun+650JQw5 aNcZcWRDfQ/QmcSkgxF9uhqWlkzz+wERvzuA4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr1047756ebq.15.1247221387948; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: David Stansby Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:22:47 +0100 Message-ID: <9c09fd2b0907100322p6c5ef21amaa0917067b585aad@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Error starting gnome-shell To: gnome-shell-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0d194c8f364046e575ba8 X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:23:31 -0000 --000e0ce0d194c8f364046e575ba8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On an up to date install of Ubuntu 9.10, I can't seem to be able to start gnome shell. I have done a clean build, and I am using the --replace option. To avoid an unnecessarily long email, I have pasted the terminal output here: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f59716e. I would be very grateful if someone could help me out. Regards, David -- Check out my twitter feed at http://twitter.com/dave1022 --000e0ce0d194c8f364046e575ba8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On an up to date install of Ubuntu 9.10, I can't seem to be able to sta= rt gnome shell. I have done a clean build, and I am using the --replace opt= ion. To avoid an unnecessarily long email, I have pasted the terminal outpu= t here: http://ubuntu.pasteb= in.com/f59716e. I would be very grateful if someone could help me out.<= br>
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Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:15:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9c09fd2b0907100322p6c5ef21amaa0917067b585aad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:15:26 -0400 Message-ID: <33b944ee0907100615p5b82b90fv11739eb021817769@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Error starting gnome-shell From: Jose Aliste To: Siegfried-Angel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: gnome-shell-list , David Stansby X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:15:46 -0000 Are you using the nvidia proprietary driver? If so, Does gnome-shell without replace works for you? For me, nvidia, ubuntu, gnome shell does not work. The windows simply disappear when gnome-shell is run, and the problem is in mutter I think. Greetings Jos=E9 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Siegfried-Angel wrote: > Hi, > > - Have you run "jhbuild shell" before doing "./src/gnome-shell --replace"= ? > > - Also, try switching to Metacity before you start gnome-shell (for this > press Alt+F2, execute "metacity --replace" and try changing the workspace > -for example- to ensure that the effect Compiz would do is gone). > > Cheers, > > -- > Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) > Ubuntu Developer. Debian Contributor. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > From bennet@gedan.net Fri Jul 10 14:41:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211BA7501F4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:41:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 882 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eBTl0ksht9s1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:41:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676687501DB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:40:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f743c07.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.60.7]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68F6C60F1D for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:40:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Strange oddities in rendering of gnome-shell From: Bennet Gedan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:40:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:41:13 -0000 Hi Folks, I recenty updated the gnome-shell and having some flaws in graphical presentation. The icons in system-tray are first rendered correctly, but after a few seconds all icons get duplicated by the .face-icon. Further all fonts are poorly rendered. You can find screenshots at http://www.gedan.net/transfer/screen1.png and http://www.gedan.net/transfer/screen2.png if anyone has any ideas what might be going wrong, any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Bennet From dstansby@googlemail.com Fri Jul 10 14:57:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FE675024D for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:57:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.836 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.836 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_SUBJECT=1.762] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5846 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NqNFst59FXgq for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:57:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615B475019C for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:57:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so1175632ewy.15 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=HYExwC4NheH3G5+HHGUb3VCTHVNrX1MQZJye2Nkt4ag=; b=S/WVozHC9l8XNOgo3RuOxtEAVj9Bk4R9Yv3pFQC0MgBFjOQZJ+IiA7a6myUB5cZlSC ldeYDRhz2KfEgLJrZz2FnH/hC1+Pz42DnTD5JRdc6G0TOI/2ZRqCpXKjbrDDSC0LvQ6x Dc3QvfuZlKHjcLs1hfI7XdGMGsyguwjGbvhjk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=WPu4zs5P9fP3bPFSQfk/pzBQ4Mi7Of8AuatoJA6R+GCdGUaHeHOuAghAAavRxqyNkL JYVa1ETYksHrRCLtmsi28sklBUfD16wj0cq9AAosAKcl/BPF8p1V/LFJBaiLsz1Gi3MX BfUdQ2FsxcqyH9IPT+HMVXrOb97F7wBuL0mpQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.134.5 with SMTP id h5mr2496236ebd.88.1247237846264; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David Stansby Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:57:06 +0100 Message-ID: <9c09fd2b0907100757h1ca48987rc31c6abbb041c719@mail.gmail.com> Subject: To: gnome-shell-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c12e2c6ec0d046e5b30ba X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:57:48 -0000 --0015174c12e2c6ec0d046e5b30ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all, thanks to all the quick replies that I've recieved in response to my support email. I'll go through each one, and comment on each one in turn: You're not the first. You should follow the instructions here: > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/SwatList > > This is linked as "Note: the above is supposed to work reliably. Current > reasons why it isn't." from the Building section, which isn't very > obvious (I can't find a link to it anywhere along the lines of "this > doesn't run/execute"). > I've replaced compiz with metacity, and still no luck. All the other suggestions on that page don't really apply to me. - Have you run "jhbuild shell" before doing "./src/gnome-shell --replace"? Running 'jhbuild shell' doesn't do anything for me. (as in nothing is outputted and nothing seems to happen) Are you using the nvidia proprietary driver? If so, Does gnome-shell > without replace works for you? For me, nvidia, ubuntu, gnome shell > does not work. The windows simply disappear when gnome-shell is run, > and the problem is in mutter I think. I am indeed using the nvidia proprietary driver. Gnome shell without replace gives me http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f5591668e and a window that is mainly black, with a terminal, a pair of eyeballs and a white cross. I don't have much of a clue what's going on, but I'll just keep 'jhbuild -f -a -c' every day until it works :D Regards, David --0015174c12e2c6ec0d046e5b30ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First of all, thanks to all the quick replies that I've recieved in res= ponse to my support email. I'll go through each one, and comment on eac= h one in turn:

You're not the first. =A0You should follow the instructions here:
htt= p://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/SwatList

This is linked as "Note: the above is supposed to work reliably. Curre= nt
reasons why it isn't." from the Building section, which isn't = very
obvious (I can't find a link to it anywhere along the lines of "th= is
doesn't run/execute").

I= 9;ve replaced compiz with metacity, and still no luck. All the other sugges= tions on that page don't really apply to me.

- Have you run "jhbuild shell" before doing "./src/gnome-she= ll --replace"?

Running 'jhbuild shell' do= esn't do anything for me. (as in nothing is outputted and nothing seems= to happen)


Are you u= sing the nvidia proprietary driver? If so, Does gnome-shell
without replace works for you? For me, nvidia, ubuntu, gnome shell
does not work. The windows simply disappear when gnome-shell is run,
and the problem is in mutter I think.

I am indeed usin= g the nvidia proprietary driver. Gnome shell without replace gives me http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f559= 1668e and a window that is mainly black, with a terminal, a pair of eye= balls and a white cross.

I don't have much of a clue what's going on, but I'll just = keep 'jhbuild -f -a -c' every day until it works :D

Regards,=
David

--0015174c12e2c6ec0d046e5b30ba-- From cgwalters@gmail.com Fri Jul 10 15:29:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808A3750273 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:29:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 3432 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.212.200] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MmMxjXIPP2pS for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:29:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-vw0-f200.google.com (mail-vw0-f200.google.com [209.85.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03E47501AF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:29:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: by vwj38 with SMTP id 38so809509vwj.13 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:29:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kVNgpiyIh5MVoagrMGqCZVZGyQS/5lmLlAybSwBvOAU=; b=nSIjDMpFkRTdZZWScF6sOIwTXQ/CsFPe8+BkxA4WJN7vGqQf/VmM+hmeIDPfqDWPjw Fv2cLaCN9FWsj6WlZRaijqSuWmtXojrUTFoUU/bNEJGzcHLNurJ4JTkijnkWn19ymxSk +XFLMl4EQ+v2dBTIwU0kmAbgOIARPNzyZnbRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=n23F6GFj8ZIXy81FI7TLfk4IRX78wyjbMvOhCwRnhHVH7KP5ZwPXVUp0tF3X0WpTG2 IBXJUtMUad2Jwaj5SZ4RXg9LexkE7UUdkHBSbdKNsS0ctQllOz6qUzY6St9wlCaKLjOt VCrcRfinSjLXeL6K8l6/3sjrxjL2++EdWUDWs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: cgwalters@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.90.144 with SMTP id i16mr3090154vcm.14.1247239759686; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:29:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> References: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:29:19 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: df20fb845f948d84 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strange oddities in rendering of gnome-shell From: Colin Walters To: bennet@gedan.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:29:39 -0000 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Bennet Gedan wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I recenty updated the gnome-shell and having some flaws in graphical > presentation. The icons in system-tray are first rendered correctly, but > after a few seconds all icons get duplicated by the .face-icon. Further > all fonts are poorly rendered. http://bugzilla.openedhand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1681 Revert the most recent clutter commit locally: cd /path/to/clutter git reset --hard HEAD^ From bennet@gedan.net Fri Jul 10 16:11:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9F475029A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:11:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 886 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EYdX1QZplq1x for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:10:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761667502DB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:10:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f743c07.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.60.7]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2917C60F25 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Strange oddities in rendering of gnome-shell From: Bennet Gedan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:10:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1247242210.8897.5.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:11:07 -0000 Hi Collin, > > I recenty updated the gnome-shell and having some flaws in graphical > > presentation. The icons in system-tray are first rendered correctly, but > > after a few seconds all icons get duplicated by the .face-icon. Further > > all fonts are poorly rendered. > > http://bugzilla.openedhand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1681 > > Revert the most recent clutter commit locally: > cd /path/to/clutter > git reset --hard HEAD^ I've tried the above with the following steps cd ~/gnome-shell/source/clutter git reset --hard HEAD^ (git returns: 'HEAD is now at 211bf79 ensure next iteration') ./configure make sudo make install cd ~/gnome-shell/source/gnome-shell/src ./gnome-shell --replace it did not work though. Is there something I'm missing? Is 211bf79 the right revision? Thanks alot, Bennet From bennet@gedan.net Fri Jul 10 16:12:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FC975029A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:12:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 886 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b-COtgl-aVLf for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:12:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06A47502C7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:12:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f743c07.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.60.7]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E175C60F27 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Strange oddities in rendering of gnome-shell From: Bennet Gedan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1247242210.8897.5.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> References: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247242210.8897.5.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:11:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1247242297.8897.6.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:12:30 -0000 addition: I'm getting the following warning on console then running ./gnome-shell --replace From bennet@gedan.net Fri Jul 10 16:13:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0EA7502B6 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:13:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 886 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jsUDp3Kv2JU1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:13:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1045C75029A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:13:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f743c07.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.60.7]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27A4C60F3F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:13:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Strange oddities in rendering of gnome-shell From: Bennet Gedan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1247242297.8897.6.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> References: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247242210.8897.5.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247242297.8897.6.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:12:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1247242366.8897.7.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:13:39 -0000 Am Freitag, den 10.07.2009, 18:11 +0200 schrieb Bennet Gedan: > addition: > > I'm getting the following warning on console then running ./gnome-shell > --replace Sorry, the warning is: (mutter:9586): Clutter-CRITICAL **: clutter_id_pool_lookup: assertion `id < id_pool->array->len' failed From cgwalters@gmail.com Fri Jul 10 16:15:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108277502B6 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:15:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 3440 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.212.200] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hBp-Sra3t4KY for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-vw0-f200.google.com (mail-vw0-f200.google.com [209.85.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C2D75029A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:14:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: by vwj38 with SMTP id 38so840626vwj.13 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:14:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:15:12 -0000 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Bennet Gedan wrote: > > it did not work though. Is there something I'm missing? Is 211bf79 the > right revision? > Ah, there were more commits to clutter recently. Try: git checkout df4429462fa495 From bennet@gedan.net Fri Jul 10 16:38:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC6A7502B4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:38:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 887 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UPJRbZZ8eKID for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:38:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639A875024D for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:38:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f743c07.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.60.7]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63070C60F5B; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Strange oddities in rendering of gnome-shell From: Bennet Gedan To: Colin Walters In-Reply-To: References: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247242210.8897.5.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:37:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1247243857.8897.61.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:38:32 -0000 Colin Walters 2009/07/10, 12:14 -0400: > Ah, there were more commits to clutter recently. Try: > git checkout df4429462fa495 Sorry to be annoying, but the rendering-problems are still there. This is what I dit: git checkout df4429462fa495 ./configure make clean make sudo make install cd ~/gnome-shell/source/gnome-shell/src ./gnome-shell --replace Is there anything I'm missing, is rebuilding clutter enough to fix the graphical issues? From danw@gnome.org Fri Jul 10 20:00:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8681675028B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:00:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: NetBSD 3.0 (DF), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [69.25.196.35] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SuZR7zcGPjxQ for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:00:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mysterion.org (mysterion.org [69.25.196.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B7F75027F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:00:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from x61.home.mysterion.org (lan-nat-pool-bos.redhat.com [66.187.234.200]) by mysterion.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D1692802AE; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A579DA1.4040009@gnome.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:59:29 -0400 From: Dan Winship User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090513 Fedora/3.0-2.3.beta2.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Siegfried-Angel Subject: Re: Error starting gnome-shell References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list , David Stansby X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:00:16 -0000 On 07/10/2009 08:33 AM, Siegfried-Angel wrote: > - Have you run "jhbuild shell" before doing "./src/gnome-shell --replace"? You should not ever have to do that. If you do, it's a bug in gnome-shell and should be reported. -- Dan From cgwalters@gmail.com Fri Jul 10 20:18:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F2B75027B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:18:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 3480 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.212.200] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SCLCDwDSv4nz for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:18:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-vw0-f200.google.com (mail-vw0-f200.google.com [209.85.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6579B750115 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:18:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: by vwj38 with SMTP id 38so970133vwj.13 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:18:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=baGp23W9k/bwm7A7mFSd3Oq7dRB3hQH9Id0E+OQZJrU=; b=TVQaqp4Q0zUjT2bRzrGZ5AlRcbR2wKY5c72N2Ch7A3gBBj/h+TGuEFaXko9NfFcGoX UJxZU7SoKqSE04aLeZaoZbB8V+HZoS93tmVuUOLyYz3tCPZhzIAW7g9fTCwuZAdgOQBm C270h89X82zjej6BGJC2km/6DklX5S6fkU4hI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=lE+mGS5yZ7hxApbng58mUhiLIbbuN9MqsFzUUGe7VZ9DFAODXU5wsGY8DMboaV6H23 GF6xxkxMvcObpWghDH7F5HjKEUKJTpcBUPyTmng/Xk+AE+Hv6hMqVZ8EGnRq2umLiVRQ 0X24fMfurvPiCUmB/BiZo1smDL/+C1ROsRMcE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: cgwalters@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.84.66 with SMTP id i2mr3628464vcl.44.1247257103339; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:18:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1247243857.8897.61.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> References: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247242210.8897.5.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247243857.8897.61.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:18:23 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 92b63beae8f7cda8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strange oddities in rendering of gnome-shell From: Colin Walters To: bennet@gedan.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:18:39 -0000 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Bennet Gedan wrote: > Colin Walters 2009/07/10, 12:14 -0400: > >> Ah, there were more commits to clutter recently. =A0Try: >> git checkout df4429462fa495 > > Sorry to be annoying, but the rendering-problems are still there. This should be fixed in clutter git master now. From bennet@gedan.net Fri Jul 10 21:19:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A97675027F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:19:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 899 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E+9Zu2SeAsXe for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:19:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A1B750115 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:19:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f743c07.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.60.7]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350B2C60F29; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:19:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Strange oddities in rendering of gnome-shell From: Bennet Gedan To: Colin Walters In-Reply-To: References: <1247236817.2721.13.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247242210.8897.5.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247243857.8897.61.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:18:42 +0200 Message-Id: <1247260722.8897.65.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:19:36 -0000 Colin Walters 2009/07/10, 16:18 -0400: > > Sorry to be annoying, but the rendering-problems are still there. > > This should be fixed in clutter git master now. yes it's working right now. Thanks for your effort! From bennet@gedan.net Sat Jul 11 17:05:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5447500E1 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:05:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 948 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7kpaBTEsE2i4 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:05:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865C07500AD for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:05:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f747b2a.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.123.42]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D29C60D1D; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:05:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 From: Bennet Gedan To: Jon Nettleton In-Reply-To: <1247057219.761.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1247005912.4157.26.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247057219.761.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:03:32 +0200 Message-Id: <1247328212.2045.21.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 (2.26.2-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:05:36 -0000 Jon Nettleton 2009/07/08, 14:46 +0200: > [...] Wait until you see it in lingerie :-) Can't stand the wait :-) > > [Problems removing workspaces] > Yeah I now about this. Originally sanders was using Wnck to catch > active-workspace-changed, which appeared to be having some problems. I > have submitted a patch to mutter [...] seems like the problem is fixed now, I haven't done massive testing, but the bug did not show up on me for some time. However, I've got another new problem: Using your livecrumb-branch, searching for application does not work. No matter what I do enter into the search field, the application results stay empty every time. In the "master-branch" everything is working okay. > yes there is definitely polish to put on it. I am just working by > myself and want to focus on the core of the technology and the > gnome-shell integration. Once everything is working, I will make it > look pretty. I fully understand and respect this. I think it's kind of a compliment if users do not debate about the mechanisms, but about polishing the interface, as this means the interface is pretty usable right now (at least for me). I'm using it on a daily base and I'm quiet happy about the new user experience. It would really be great if this will be merged into the final gnome-shell release. From dstansby@googlemail.com Sat Jul 11 17:25:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC05750080 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:25:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6111 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90tdr7UqKG3e for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:25:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8258875008F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:24:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so1896533ewy.15 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:24:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=sufPGufek15KxqStznuFwCrYmd9Ke8TyW4dCghQyRpo=; b=klzEvEqxMdzbvmjipwlwkS4yQpZceNoM9u3c7kDFhQUuKQGIrC3Ev5uWGf4nj8qqoJ twoo9TH3/QmynzeMKnKRMrnJKeswwbVYE+FW6RlJfoJjQQP5Fe1jyO0pw2QEHFh3tWO0 kxFdXqWq6qi2mcPmuyvEjPudRNGsGeG8nQ4vM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=Lq8gv8klfl/D0Ns3bII+yxI/yXsuBQorWrl5O/mNYspm2XrdDUBT+KET8AQtViH9G2 OxPozj4XspALAJKW2NAi/Pp3YNKMbLoQk7AFNKFR3Dxu+d4x3LG+bXdXcNHnUv4p3Flt TOBHNrjcglu/lqPR+dM3Ipnv0HZjrX6Ev5l5o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.180.15 with SMTP id h15mr2059461ebp.72.1247333089333; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:24:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1247255027.7980.3.camel@aleph.hingston.demon.co.uk> References: <9c09fd2b0907100757h1ca48987rc31c6abbb041c719@mail.gmail.com> <1247255027.7980.3.camel@aleph.hingston.demon.co.uk> From: David Stansby Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:24:29 +0100 Message-ID: <9c09fd2b0907111024g442f2535w5e9c35e2132af0b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: To: Mike Bursell Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151748e728b4d22c046e715d1f Cc: gnome-shell-list X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:25:11 -0000 --00151748e728b4d22c046e715d1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks a lot, that seemed to work. I still have my old panels present though, underneath the gnome-shell panels. 2009/7/10 Mike Bursell > On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 15:57 +0100, David Stansby wrote: > > First of all, thanks to all the quick replies that I've recieved in > > response to my support email. I'll go through each one, and comment on > > each one in turn: > > > > You're not the first. You should follow the instructions > > here: > > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/SwatList > > > > This is linked as "Note: the above is supposed to work > > reliably. Current > > reasons why it isn't." from the Building section, which isn't > > very > > obvious (I can't find a link to it anywhere along the lines of > > "this > > doesn't run/execute"). > > Did you try this from > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/SwatList ? > > "...open /usr/bin/compiz and change the last line to > "${COMPIZ_BIN_PATH}${COMPIZ_NAME} $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS # > || exec $FALLBACKWM $FALLBACKWM_OPTIONS" (that is, commenting out the > fallback respawn)." > > This works for me (though note that there seem to be some rendering > problems at the moment. > > -Mike. > > > -- Check out my twitter feed at http://twitter.com/dave1022 --00151748e728b4d22c046e715d1f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks a lot, that seemed to work. I still have my old panels present thoug= h, underneath the gnome-shell panels.

200= 9/7/10 Mike Bursell <mike@hingston.demon.co.uk>
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 15:57 +0100, David Stansby wrote:
> First of all, thanks to all the quick replies that I've recieved i= n
> response to my support email. I'll go through each one, and commen= t on
> each one in turn:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 You're not the first. =A0You should follow the ins= tructions
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 here:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/SwatList
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 This is linked as "Note: the above is supposed to= work
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 reliably. Current
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 reasons why it isn't." from the Building sect= ion, which isn't
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 very
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 obvious (I can't find a link to it anywhere along = the lines of
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "this
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 doesn't run/execute").

Did you try this from
htt= p://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/SwatList ?

"...open /usr/bin/compiz and change the last line to
"${COMPIZ_BIN_PATH}${COMPIZ_NAME} $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMP= IZ_PLUGINS #
|| exec $FALLBACKWM $FALLBACKWM_OPTIONS" (that is, commenting out the<= br> fallback respawn)."

This works for me (though note that there seem to be some rendering
problems at the moment.

-Mike.





--
Check out my twi= tter feed at http://twitter.com/dav= e1022

--00151748e728b4d22c046e715d1f-- From siggi.gevatter@gmail.com Sun Jul 12 19:18:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BFC750068 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:18:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 1291 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXzayOHxZkwT for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:17:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f212.google.com (mail-bw0-f212.google.com [209.85.218.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA4C75006E for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:17:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so411154bwz.15 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:17:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dp6GXcFAbCsl6zEGzDqeoIdKqmojmlA0TSRLVOEKapw=; b=hlTW11v132jZNPss0CZIcJJNOYTHENlVYi7w4H+29dGGhBy8dQL3QXWyq+Qa+2Jyt4 fnCLOwSOqYGRM8Vb74Rht3locJBBJNPiZCJSKd5fq0H4+PdpDhtUpIf8Gxcc4+iHAdR0 xvKROtWLl9oV47ZReAT7rczNbuDDLLRYkUtZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pWjxrkLIXFOG0VKUmmPzVv+sw+qqsOPWkMzIfuI0H/ivcG40h+u7jSPoygVO5DbbT8 d9vS0TMKet5dd7Bo1qOt7aXL1syn8i4zS+XOqanoZWR4eA+Mlwdv/aIodb0khHrMiGZY 4bWi4hjfaHJ2IHG3M5GqF64vT1UYOTnTzQlss= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: siggi.gevatter@gmail.com Received: by 10.103.192.10 with SMTP id u10mr2229588mup.128.1247426260245; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:17:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 368f36ac254641bf Message-ID: <357b51820907121217p566d92c6k873cf34aa11cd831@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Question about AppInfo objects From: Siegfried Gevatter To: Gnome List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:18:00 -0000 Hello, Inside AppDisplayItem I need to get the path to the .desktop file but it doesn't look like I can get this information from the appInfo oject (the only somewhat related function I've found it has is get_id(), but I don't know how to get the complete path out of that)? Another information I'd like to get is the mimetypes that the application accepts (MimeType field in the .desktop file), which doesn't seem to be exposed either. I need this because I want to show related documents from Zeitgeist for the applications, as in this mockup: http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3655/appdocs.png. Thanks, -- Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) Ubuntu Developer. Debian Contributor. GSoC: Integrating Zeitgeist into GNOME Shell From samuel@hoffstaetter.com Mon Jul 13 14:55:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E89175007D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:55:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6565 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vQAafaTqLV5m for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:55:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3577975006B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:54:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so2873885ewy.15 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:54:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: samuel@hoffstaetter.com Received: by 10.216.53.207 with SMTP id g57mr1449541wec.3.1247496896559; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:54:56 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9db4df58c56418c8 Message-ID: <1b92204f0907130754y6f9df5d7k4247339b85b3575c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Tabbed windows in Mutter/Metacity From: Sam H To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:55:15 -0000 I posted the following on the desktop-devel list (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2009-July/msg00014.html), and it was suggested that the gnome-shell-list would be a better place to ask about this. (Sorry about the cross-post). > Hey all, > > I would like to implement support for tabbed windows in Mutter, and > was hoping for some helpful pointers. I envision tabbed windows > working essentially the same way that tabs work in Google Chrome. > However, being part of the window-manager, every application would > make use of tabs without having to re-invent them specifically for > that application. It has always struck me that tabs were something > that belonged into the window manager, not in browsers, terminals, > editors, etc. > > There was a discussion a while back on the gnome developers list that > expected gnome's window manager to have tabbed windows in the future. > I believe that with the advent of compositing in Mutter/Metacity, now > is a good time to finally make this happen. > > Are there any other developers interested in working on this, or have > there been plans for this in Mutter? Or does anyone know of other > projects attempting something similar? I believe there was a GSoC > project this summer that added tabs to KWin, but I haven't heard of a > similar project for Mutter/Metacity. > > Thanks, > Sam H From Shane.Nuessler@canberra.edu.au Tue Jul 14 03:55:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D86E750072 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:55:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.702 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.702 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [137.92.97.21] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DedpIl8pey2K for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:55:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from buenos.canberra.edu.au (buenos.canberra.edu.au [137.92.97.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1751D75006B for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:54:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au (Not Verified[137.92.98.19]) by buenos.canberra.edu.au id ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:54:54 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA0436.D4EA4C33" Subject: Just tried the current GIT version Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:54:48 +1000 Message-ID: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EE7D@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Just tried the current GIT version thread-index: AcoENtTejdVikXhpSCebSgR79BjJ1A== From: "Shane.Nuessler" To: X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:55:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA0436.D4EA4C33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LOVE IT! =20 I love the way the recent docs fly out when the side bar is collapsed =20 I love the way the less and more now open an extra panel with 1-2-3 at the bottom (although there could be some other cool ideas for how to list surf, like putting the numbers in tabs that are easier to click on). =20 Can't wait for the Zeitgeist to be part of the shell so I can easily find my stuff. =20 Mr Shane Nuessler e-Learning Designer Teaching and Learning Centre University of Canberra ACT 2601=20 =20 Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655 Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172 Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au =20 'Anther day, another dimension of learning' =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the addressee only. 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LOVE IT!

 

I love the way the recent docs fly out when the side bar is = collapsed

 

I love the way the less and more now open an extra panel with 1-2-3 at the = bottom (although there could be some other cool ideas for how to list surf, = like putting the numbers in tabs that are easier to click = on).

 

Can’t wait for the Zeitgeist to be part of the shell so I can easily find my = stuff.

 

Mr Shane Nuessler
e-Learning Designer
Teaching and Learning Centre
University of Canberra ACT 2601 =

 

Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655

Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172
Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.ed= u.au

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CA0436.D4EA4C33-- From Shane.Nuessler@canberra.edu.au Tue Jul 14 23:44:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E46375006D for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:44:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_W=1.7] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [137.92.97.21] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bU306zpBy8vy for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:44:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from buenos.canberra.edu.au (buenos.canberra.edu.au [137.92.97.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC146750095 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au (Not Verified[137.92.98.19]) by buenos.canberra.edu.au id ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:44:40 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Fly out windows Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:44:20 +1000 Message-ID: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EE7E@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Fly out windows thread-index: AcoEervPWz5cNEZmT6mEl037XeZhyQAYXJ2w References: From: "Shane.Nuessler" To: X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:44:45 -0000 Just a thought I had this morning regarding the apps and docs 'more' fly out list panels.=20 I would find it convenient if I could drag the panel edge to make the panel wider (hence list more columns of items which would at the same time reduce the count of pages at the bottom)? Users already use this convention with app windows, drag the edges to make windows bigger or smaller, they could transfer this behaviour easily to certain overlay panels? Bounds could be applied so they can't hide the panel completely (clicking less gets rid of it as is currently implemented.) Any thoughts?=20 Mr Shane Nuessler e-Learning Designer Teaching and Learning Centre University of Canberra ACT 2601=20 =20 Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655 Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172 Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au =20 'Anther day, another dimension of learning' =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify us by email reply and delete it from your system. The University of Canberra accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 -----Original Message----- From: gnome-shell-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:gnome-shell-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of gnome-shell-list-request@gnome.org Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 10:01 PM To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 Send gnome-shell-list mailing list submissions to gnome-shell-list@gnome.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gnome-shell-list-request@gnome.org You can reach the person managing the list at gnome-shell-list-owner@gnome.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of gnome-shell-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Tabbed windows in Mutter/Metacity (Sam H) 2. Just tried the current GIT version (Shane.Nuessler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:54:56 -0400 From: Sam H Subject: Tabbed windows in Mutter/Metacity To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <1b92204f0907130754y6f9df5d7k4247339b85b3575c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8 I posted the following on the desktop-devel list (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2009-July/msg00014.ht ml), and it was suggested that the gnome-shell-list would be a better place to ask about this. (Sorry about the cross-post). > Hey all, > > I would like to implement support for tabbed windows in Mutter, and > was hoping for some helpful pointers. I envision tabbed windows > working essentially the same way that tabs work in Google Chrome. > However, being part of the window-manager, every application would > make use of tabs without having to re-invent them specifically for > that application. It has always struck me that tabs were something > that belonged into the window manager, not in browsers, terminals, > editors, etc. > > There was a discussion a while back on the gnome developers list that > expected gnome's window manager to have tabbed windows in the future. > I believe that with the advent of compositing in Mutter/Metacity, now > is a good time to finally make this happen. > > Are there any other developers interested in working on this, or have > there been plans for this in Mutter? Or does anyone know of other > projects attempting something similar? I believe there was a GSoC > project this summer that added tabs to KWin, but I haven't heard of a > similar project for Mutter/Metacity. > > Thanks, > Sam H ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:54:48 +1000 From: "Shane.Nuessler" Subject: Just tried the current GIT version To: Message-ID: =09 <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EE7D@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra .edu.au> =09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" LOVE IT! =20 I love the way the recent docs fly out when the side bar is collapsed =20 I love the way the less and more now open an extra panel with 1-2-3 at the bottom (although there could be some other cool ideas for how to list surf, like putting the numbers in tabs that are easier to click on). =20 Can't wait for the Zeitgeist to be part of the shell so I can easily find my stuff. =20 Mr Shane Nuessler e-Learning Designer Teaching and Learning Centre University of Canberra ACT 2601=20 =20 Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655 Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172 Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au =20 'Anther day, another dimension of learning' =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the addressee only. 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(x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm14163073eyx.43.2009.07.15.00.59.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Fly out windows From: Jon Nettleton To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EE7E@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> References: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EE7E@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:59:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1247644799.4031.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:00:18 -0000 On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 09:44 +1000, Shane.Nuessler wrote: > Just a thought I had this morning regarding the apps and docs 'more' fly > out list panels. > > I would find it convenient if I could drag the panel edge to make the > panel wider (hence list more columns of items which would at the same > time reduce the count of pages at the bottom)? Users already use this > convention with app windows, drag the edges to make windows bigger or > smaller, they could transfer this behaviour easily to certain overlay > panels? > I definitely think this is a good TODO item. I plan to implemented this on my clutter "drawer" I am using for my livecrumbs branch. I think that the code should allow the contents of the panel to scale between say 25% and 100% and then start adding more columns. This will allow people a bit of customization to suite their tastes, but still keep the concept over the overlay intact. Jon From Calum.Benson@Sun.COM Wed Jul 15 17:03:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E304750281 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:03:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.6.24] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32ur9i9WttwA for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com [192.18.6.24]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD5E750072 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:03:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n6FH3V5l003355 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:03:31 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KMU00D001VE0P00@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for gnome-shell-list@gnome.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:03:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (res-adsl063-A.bas501.cwt.esat.net [193.203.156.63]) by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KMU0011621JUW60@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for gnome-shell-list@gnome.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:03:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:03:09 +0100 From: Calum Benson Subject: Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 In-reply-to: <1247328212.2045.21.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Sender: Calum.Benson@Sun.COM To: gnome-shell-list Message-id: <879AC320-AE98-4A7B-9C5B-859329CD0389@sun.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) References: <38da3d9d0907040606w5a14563u9f4a333f9a8d0949@mail.gmail.com> <1246924892.32660.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1247005912.4157.26.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1247057219.761.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1247328212.2045.21.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:03:49 -0000 On 11 Jul 2009, at 17:03, Bennet Gedan wrote: > > I fully understand and respect this. I think it's kind of a compliment > if users do not debate about the mechanisms, but about polishing the > interface, as this means the interface is pretty usable right now (at > least for me). And therein lies the potential trap -- I'd wager that most people who've seen or used gnome-shell so far aren't just "users", but developers. If that's the extent of our target audience, then fine... but otherwise we ought to be looking for validation from a much a wider range of users that the basic ideas are sound, and preferably measurably more efficient than what currently exists, before worrying too much about how snazzy it looks. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com OpenSolaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From perfinstals@yahoo.com.br Sat Jul 18 16:43:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174737500C8 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:43:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) (up: 7529 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [68.142.237.123] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l-nrY-dG4hfL for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:43:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com (n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.237.123]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62CF17500B9 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:43:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 16:43:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.111.167] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 16:43:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 16:43:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 563584.44812.bm@omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78111 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 16:43:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.br; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:From:To:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yYzh//rTnN8IwtUyHZpc7Db1HiVAVEseKPsXzaVzEusHMZUIz5BU3x+3il4TEShzeoOF6yar/Hy3u+dWIfkqQ7+scGkywo9aJUSI+UP7IOol98s6ilFyObbH8a+IAqnpL4R8lziG1SbzPVbSylHs+2HJ6LMlXZ8lIj/4wgG2y0Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?82.49.97.66?) (perfinstals@82.49.97.66 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 16:43:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: WghkbKGswBBJwGtU6i9pDqDA3DfeX5sx X-YMail-OSG: QU.bMhIVM1ndsucZ1kwz_rPgq0Nk178bn6r0eSCP4o6xvSg3O4MPwTz2ljSmbMttFfGmwjuWGsTnI96FPsgaKM3Unpm35hDCnSPmnNfZHrcQ7cWiem2JPoBRXHzjv4ypQn8nVwY1HAVphXd3lI3I.fmyF8xORYSclg3fxkUpbsC.edjaf2Qpd1SYAMzL01mM67fBLsuHL2rYiuVjoRb_62S5VxkHPzX7MNitvui9FXghbB9frs4C0qzhEqou25ZXhBOAVUJxX2.rr5BW7BYrgxa7cSzNIkNwsmATDUQu0TzCDbvH6Vxg X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Subject: Options for the drawer, work area, area of settlement explained gif From: Tamburrino Roberto To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:40:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1247935252.15496.0.camel@perfinstals-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:43:25 -0000 I have some gif illustrating the options that I like: http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4364/prova2e.gif 1) to: opening the drawer in horizontal and vertical (best for air notification) b: hide icons in the individual work areas 2) magnetically joined to the windows in the individual areas of work (good for cinelerra) 3) the viewer of composition up to keep it cut in full screen http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9138/provar.gif 1) Menu with option to be either free compact __________________________________________________ Faça ligações para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! 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(or-71-53-64-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [71.53.64.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f20sm6362217waf.52.2009.07.18.19.33.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A62860B.6030207@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:33:47 -0700 From: Dean Loros User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090718 Shredder/3.1a1pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: Current shell is not building on Ubuntu Karmic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:34:10 -0000 Hi to all-- I've been building the Shell for the past few months now & have had a rather smooth time with the builds--only a couple of times has it not built after waiting for a day or two.....the latest commits have caused a non-build on my system..problem is with gir....term output looks like: GEN GMenu-2.0.gir /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. DBus-1.0.gir -o ./DBus-1.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. GConf-2.0.gir -o ./GConf-2.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. GnomeKeyring-2.0.gir -o ./GnomeKeyring-2.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. Pango-1.0.gir -o ./Pango-1.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. PangoFT2-1.0.gir -o ./PangoFT2-1.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. PangoCairo-1.0.gir -o ./PangoCairo-1.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. PangoXft-1.0.gir -o ./PangoXft-1.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. PangoX-1.0.gir -o ./PangoX-1.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. Atk-1.0.gir -o ./Atk-1.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir -o ./GdkPixbuf-2.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. Gdk-2.0.gir -o ./Gdk-2.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. Gtk-2.0.gir -o ./Gtk-2.0.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. Clutter-0.8.gir -o ./Clutter-0.8.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. ClutterJson-0.8.gir -o ./ClutterJson-0.8.typelib /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. --includedir=. Gst-0.10.gir -o ./Gst-0.10.typelib ** WARNING **: Entry 'GstBufferList' not found aborting... make[2]: *** [Gst-0.10.typelib] Trace/breakpoint trap make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository/gir' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository' make: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error during phase build of gir-repository: ########## Error running make *** [2/7] Am I missing something? Cheers!!! Dean Loros autocrosser at ubuntuforums.org From theninja@bluedevs.net Mon Jul 20 17:35:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B9675009F for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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(pool-70-17-123-106.res.east.verizon.net [70.17.123.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm14386234rvb.36.2009.07.20.10.35.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My thoughs on gnome-shell From: techwizrd To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: bluedevs software Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:34:42 -0400 Message-Id: <1248111282.15785.1.camel@zinc> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:31 -0000 Here are my thoughts on gnome-shell at the moment: http://desktopdesigndrivel.blogspot.com/2009/07/my-thoughts-on-gnome-shell.html Before you tl;dr or flame, please RTFA. 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(perfinstals@82.55.153.242 with plain) by smtp111.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 19:01:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: WghkbKGswBBJwGtU6i9pDqDA3DfeX5sx X-YMail-OSG: j1BgSh0VM1laff8sLA211vuFaQJe.qTJMhGZO_Y1SxjJpDrD2aosVORB_GdN.yP0SvpczuqJmY961T1cc.CODNx7xU3mlairDf_CjzprJBUROPqlEPIcll1W6ehy6qYiInmgrUt0.Ngi8589fY839wUDWUF.83Ll6A4pWBQ_dBbfZqdzS6_VS.Sp6ILT2IBD6pqK..CQT_e8K6DfCE9uNqud38wIH_0yXjtjAo9MjdiLyaNJj21VyPso59aZ3w4e3NzvMSDqjSM2EjB63oLsqN5ykezhtFWuu3jggnXMHUgwNCW38LGxnmu8I3aQ9JU7 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Subject: Desktop Sidebar From: Tamburrino Roberto To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:58:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1248116331.8702.1.camel@perfinstals-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:01:26 -0000 I got in mind a new feature for Gnome that comes from already tested Sidebar Nautilus, the one that starts with "F9", would be the side bar on the Desktop at the time that could be provided for each tree work area, in the future you could move the icons where you want to add and I do not know how many other plugins, more as a system does not occupy the entire screen with the advantages of the case, namely to continue to work while some system program in another area without wasting time ... 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Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From ebassi@linux.intel.com Mon Jul 20 22:37:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513167500B7 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:37:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.799 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:51:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [192.55.52.89] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7rzTtJEoGZO for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:36:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmsmga101.fm.intel.com (mga05.intel.com [192.55.52.89]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C2C7500F2 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:36:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmsmga001.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.23]) by fmsmga101.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2009 15:21:15 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,236,1246863600"; d="scan'208";a="709500605" Received: from unknown (HELO [143.185.76.208]) ([143.185.76.208]) by fmsmga001.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2009 15:39:55 -0700 Subject: Re: My thoughs on gnome-shell From: Emmanuele Bassi To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1248111282.15785.1.camel@zinc> References: <1248111282.15785.1.camel@zinc> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Intel Open Source Technology Center Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:32:58 +0100 Message-Id: <1248129178.5556.0.camel@sprite.home.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:37:00 -0000 On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 13:34 -0400, techwizrd wrote: > Before you tl;dr or flame, please RTFA. very nice and welcoming for constructive discussion. not. ciao, Emmanuele. -- Emmanuele Bassi, Senior Engineer | emmanuele.bassi@intel.com Intel Open Source Technology Center | http://oss.intel.com From cgwalters@gmail.com Tue Jul 21 19:54:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8D4750108 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:54:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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It's fairly different in git master from what's in your screenshot (I assume you're using an older Ubuntu package)? Some things that you're talking about we definitely know are holes in the design - the search in particular. You can now drag items into a favorites area, which helps replace the old panel launcher system. In general as we iterate the design, the implementation follows. At some point we'll do user validation and testing, and it very well might be that the design will have to change. Your feedback is appreciated. With respect to JavaScript, the shell really *is* technically JavaScript - it's not the DOM and a browser though, which is what admittedly a lot people think of as "JavaScript". But they're different standards and at a technology level as well quite separate. > Before you tl;dr or flame, please RTFA. What is A? 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(089-101-123129.ntlworld.ie [89.101.123.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm15518491fgb.21.2009.07.21.12.56.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Shane Fagan Subject: Opening an application in a new workspace From: Shane Fagan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:56:41 +0100 Message-Id: <1248206201.3624.11.camel@shane-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.27.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:57:01 -0000 Hi guys, I had an idea. Firefox opens a link in a new tab if you middle click or left and right click together. I was thinking we could use similar functionality to open an application in a new workspace in Gnome-Shell. Any thoughts? Shane_Fagan From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Tue Jul 21 20:00:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694AD750108 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:00:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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(x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm23525eyb.35.2009.07.21.13.00.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Opening an application in a new workspace From: Jon Nettleton To: Shane Fagan In-Reply-To: <1248206201.3624.11.camel@shane-laptop> References: <1248206201.3624.11.camel@shane-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:00:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1248206438.2471.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:00:59 -0000 On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 20:56 +0100, Shane Fagan wrote: > Hi guys, > I had an idea. Firefox opens a link in a new tab if you middle click or > left and right click together. I was thinking we could use similar > functionality to open an application in a new workspace in Gnome-Shell. > Any thoughts? > I like it. We should probably include ctl+click to the list for people with only 1 button on their mouse. I will add this to my breadcrumbs branch tonight. Jon From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Thu Jul 23 11:19:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F0750072 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:19:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 8930 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h4BSJE2EIK9y for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:19:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C510C750085 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:19:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so1135093ewy.15 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:19:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OsJrkd+5lei0aWNN9B4JyPwU1EhMLeTGUisrtsEGM/A=; b=GDSl1vy3SY76fCcwp2kZPow4KIxHLWH3VRBWBoxgTfpZ+zyob/4LDoE9loZskSpIPC ddBwrgh/kCVXHWwkS4Cr/l5/VMmn9X6fnyd8B+uyi+YFFTRRc4CXMJfxW0vIwLYm84QN pPVtqDrNyCGKqrJT3wXvB+7P3tuAm4euZxJJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=riZyodzHr2WFaFR0Qmo09W64BsrlSa0kxx4pnYyO5X7m8vAz3zgJj7L63us0XHKx7n hXDUm5AfoJOh8MdiLTiPtImlLkrxHKw1ZZjDNtXFr2X3bKSs6Jjj98DGi9HHHswRmrjD pQpWSXbYIUcWYgRnJp3E+k5qVNYuRMQBUWh/s= Received: by 10.210.81.3 with SMTP id e3mr8082197ebb.18.1248347943573; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm2150219eyd.7.2009.07.23.04.19.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LiveCrumbs information update. From: Jon Nettleton To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:19:01 +0200 Message-Id: <1248347941.23180.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:19:26 -0000 To help reduce random messages on the list that don't pertain directly to gnome-shell development, I have revitalized my blog at http://linux4kix.blogspot.com. It is plain and ugly, but will be where I will post all updated information pertaining to my branch work of gnome-shell livecrumbs and netbook. I will probably create a branch of mutter soon to make it easier for people to digest new features I am testing. That is all. Jon From siggi.gevatter@gmail.com Sun Jul 26 13:51:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32B77500AC for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:51:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 7354 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.218.215] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BDYZ3Ysw5MVZ for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:50:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9012F750107 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:50:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so2568406bwz.15 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:50:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YJGLGaU4eozNlpeteSURnuRERdJL35B6TWRrOfr+yoc=; b=RNwEHmpJKgqP70jt9fKz1jcg7F/LMoNcorueHlq/z6f5flfm+alP6GaHIg3dEwEDTL apNzMYC7i/lzeuiLuuN7QCXKUs9Jt0KB60IpOqwyXBWRRfndiDY8FtjDaiI9fJuTS2Wy LHg8BLnpbO5bFswLb9a7rqpcZoLuAuOWAoYDM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=VZ9TdmBsBO5ql+z1PjRhc6o/06OHvxmVEQAeuGOq7VQ7Av+wEluMIplh4WEb5f6uqo knGhFmWtEHCOJb3ZjJzF8ULC8qGaYY9YichJwvPlwfFOUGMJaKkQ6PjACYpaLUgOp24N fDFZJS8tzb2SKpP6d5M83M/xvdnREkjB8M8YI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: siggi.gevatter@gmail.com Received: by 10.103.95.1 with SMTP id x1mr2776167mul.73.1248616243568; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:50:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <357b51820907121217p566d92c6k873cf34aa11cd831@mail.gmail.com> References: <357b51820907121217p566d92c6k873cf34aa11cd831@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:50:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 416f70a824d4eb19 Message-ID: <357b51820907260650o165ffc19u9d39c7c12226cc8e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Question about AppInfo objects From: Siegfried Gevatter To: Gnome List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:51:00 -0000 Hi, I'll answer myself for the .desktop file path question. Looking at this again, I've found the gmenu_tree_entry_get_desktop_file_path function so I've made it accessible from JavaScript by creating a shell_app_info_get_executable function which wraps around it (this gmenu_ stuff could really use some documentation; googling "gmenu_tree_entry_get" doesn't give a single hit). About the supported mimetypes, I still don't know how to get them, so tips are welcome (but now that I have path to the .desktop file I can live without it). Now off to do some visual cleanup of this :). Cheers, -- Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) Ubuntu Developer. Debian Contributor. GSoC: Integrating Zeitgeist into GNOME Shell From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Sun Jul 26 15:29:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4107500A8 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:29:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 9690 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6n9X06M4cdXa for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:29:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1366575006F for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:29:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so3465289ewy.15 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:29:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1+wri5+fL4Q54aNPCbAAzVVrJS/w+u87SQMp1YIyNFI=; b=J6X2/YgykD0AzBfgJ/Xsf0Zsw1oXbS31ozbs6u/t0+y6mkj+AHM5qwK3mUSJlL08jI KEFJgm7ECePWGP/b0MkLO0E16kEaht1YrEb7Kc9IgefYoO9P9rqwD3G7G/FpfRYNkY9h x3obHC40lNoM+NKx/VFYKn4iYoOwBM9VhKG60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=GlE8A1oIFmG32rh7MEX+EhAXsY440zF4Sib9ausbajQTkGCHvhKf1cDD4BkERfxn6H Ncbd6zryEjDU0lFxKN1czARibSVwcF8z63JPKs2NbKHSe+peFdVgUfepvqAcn6RzgNFU 0dhdT0I97LrGgM7T3W+cJI4+u/3gfz1n8mPJ8= Received: by 10.210.114.8 with SMTP id m8mr727580ebc.7.1248622181004; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1618117eyb.36.2009.07.26.08.29.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mutter in github From: Jon Nettleton To: Gnome List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:29:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1248622178.15897.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:29:59 -0000 Afternoon all, I just wanted to send a note out that I have pushed a mutter repository to github. I will be using my linux4kix branch to publish changes I need for some of the things I am working on, but I will keep master up to date as well. If you plan on doing any mutter work, please fork this repository. http://github.com/linux4kix/mutter Jon From bennet@gedan.net Mon Jul 27 21:42:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9281D75004D for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:42:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1920 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Yt-ML1xiP33 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:42:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159F4750079 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:42:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f746678.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.102.120]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04A9C6139A for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: mutter, linux4kix-branch From: Bennet Gedan To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:41:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1248730906.2890.11.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:42:47 -0000 Hi Folks, having a dependency problem with linux4kix branch of mutter: "Mutter requires Clutter version 0.9.3." I can't find a clutter version tagged 0.9.3 in the clutter repository. Is there any way to get version 0.9.3? (I'm not very git-aware, so please be gentle, if this is a trivial task :-) ) Thanks! Bennet From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Mon Jul 27 21:51:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB2D750095 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:51:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 9995 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2PjBN5iJQz1J for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:51:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CAB750083 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:51:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4665156ewy.15 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:50:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=McPv4HCNrepA1LhpIdO4HPmfHI+koebnRgD1qXYauj0=; b=e9A+T9ZuLZaLS4YRpf0b//Bqmo5edQVkCgSilev2yCWTVJdhX21MUyoJQsfyLS5PYt 2z+JWgSGLxItFjMOSAmbFnsjAzDf+Bj4qOMNpezDF23NFw/HmsdZn5Oi3aGym+esjTDI icFMWtMfC6wVN726LtZk02XQISF+SOZ6sJDTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=bRpKzNZM2N0FaKJqqfAR3K/XZGaYDmXt7A5C3HPOQRRgzR4rj6H3+pO3G1PFz/st3d gVj4qEdOyJi2vHyJ7CfEWujJRBp8Rw/+dz14c2Wcs6dD+ZJn50sz9gfbQEb5iQcIesBv MCTbi5Ik7vn8iG0m6OVOmUgX6ir0F944ecA+Q= Received: by 10.210.114.8 with SMTP id m8mr2553634ebc.28.1248731455897; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm771404eyb.32.2009.07.27.14.50.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: mutter, linux4kix-branch From: Jon Nettleton To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1248730906.2890.11.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> References: <1248730906.2890.11.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:50:54 +0200 Message-Id: <1248731454.15897.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:51:15 -0000 On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 23:41 +0200, Bennet Gedan wrote: > Hi Folks, > > having a dependency problem with linux4kix branch of mutter: "Mutter > requires Clutter version 0.9.3." Hey Bennet, That should really read "requires Clutter version >= 0.9.3" If you have a current checkout of clutter from git you should be all set. Hope that fixes up your problem. Jon From bennet@gedan.net Mon Jul 27 22:50:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706E9750083 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:50:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1922 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [83.220.144.16] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S+1plX9V1pH4 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:50:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webbox444.server-home.org (webbox444-temp.server-home.org [83.220.144.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4A7750079 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:50:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (frnk-5f746678.pool.einsundeins.de [95.116.102.120]) by webbox444.server-home.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2961EC6144F; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:50:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: mutter, linux4kix-branch From: Bennet Gedan To: Jon Nettleton In-Reply-To: <1248731454.15897.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1248730906.2890.11.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> <1248731454.15897.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: gedan.net Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:49:36 +0200 Message-Id: <1248734976.9727.1.camel@minas-tirith2.gedan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: bennet@gedan.net List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:50:32 -0000 Hi, 2009/07/27, 23:50 +0200 Jon Nettleton: > That should really read "requires Clutter version >= 0.9.3" If you have > a current checkout of clutter from git you should be all set. Hope that > fixes up your problem. 'make -i' does the trick. 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(or-71-53-64-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [71.53.64.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j31sm14814837waf.49.2009.07.27.19.05.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A6E5CF7.20806@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:05:43 -0700 From: Dean Loros User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.2pre) Gecko/20090727 Shredder/3.0b4pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Owen Taylor Subject: Problem with building Gnome-Shell X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:06:04 -0000 Hi Owen--- I've been building the shell for the last couple of months & hit a stopping block last week. Normally I would just rebuild every day until the problem resolved it's self, but more than a week has gone by with the same problem....I tried to contact the list about it, but I have not seen a answer yet. I am one of the alpha-testers for Ubuntu--We are currently at alpha 3 & bringing in the 2.27 updates--don't know if that is a issue or not--My build stops at gir-repository with this: > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-scanner -v --namespace GMenu > --nsversion=2.0 \ > --add-include-path=. --add-include-path=. \ > --include=Gtk-2.0 \ > --library=gnome-menu \ > --libtool="/bin/bash ../libtool" \ > --output GMenu-2.0.gir \ > --pkg libgnome-menu \ > -DGMENU_I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE \ > `pkg-config --variable=includedir > libgnome-menu`/gnome-menus/*.h > GEN GMenu-2.0.gir > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. DBus-1.0.gir -o ./DBus-1.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. GConf-2.0.gir -o ./GConf-2.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. GnomeKeyring-2.0.gir -o ./GnomeKeyring-2.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. Pango-1.0.gir -o ./Pango-1.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. PangoFT2-1.0.gir -o ./PangoFT2-1.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. PangoCairo-1.0.gir -o ./PangoCairo-1.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. PangoXft-1.0.gir -o ./PangoXft-1.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. PangoX-1.0.gir -o ./PangoX-1.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. Atk-1.0.gir -o ./Atk-1.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir -o ./GdkPixbuf-2.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. Gdk-2.0.gir -o ./Gdk-2.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. Gtk-2.0.gir -o ./Gtk-2.0.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. Clutter-0.8.gir -o ./Clutter-0.8.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. ClutterJson-0.8.gir -o ./ClutterJson-0.8.typelib > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > --includedir=. Gst-0.10.gir -o ./Gst-0.10.typelib > > ** WARNING **: Entry 'GstBufferList' not found > aborting... > make[2]: *** [Gst-0.10.typelib] Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped) > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository/gir' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository' > make: *** [all] Error 2 > *** Error during phase build of gir-repository: ########## Error > running make *** [2/7] Any thoughts on this? Thanks for your time!!!!! -- Dean Loros autocrosser at ubuntuforums.org Performance by Design Ltd. 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(089-101-123129.ntlworld.ie [89.101.123.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1170128eyb.52.2009.07.27.19.15.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Shane Fagan Subject: Re: Problem with building Gnome-Shell From: Shane Fagan To: Dean Loros In-Reply-To: <4A6E5CF7.20806@gmail.com> References: <4A6E5CF7.20806@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:15:44 +0100 Message-Id: <1248747344.3673.5.camel@shane-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.27.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gnome-Shell X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:16:00 -0000 Im getting the same error with the same OS and version and am getting the same failure. Regards Shane Fagan On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 19:05 -0700, Dean Loros wrote: > Hi Owen--- > > I've been building the shell for the last couple of months & hit a > stopping block last week. Normally I would just rebuild every day until > the problem resolved it's self, but more than a week has gone by with > the same problem....I tried to contact the list about it, but I have not > seen a answer yet. > > I am one of the alpha-testers for Ubuntu--We are currently at alpha 3 & > bringing in the 2.27 updates--don't know if that is a issue or not--My > build stops at gir-repository with this: > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-scanner -v --namespace GMenu > > --nsversion=2.0 \ > > --add-include-path=. --add-include-path=. \ > > --include=Gtk-2.0 \ > > --library=gnome-menu \ > > --libtool="/bin/bash ../libtool" \ > > --output GMenu-2.0.gir \ > > --pkg libgnome-menu \ > > -DGMENU_I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE \ > > `pkg-config --variable=includedir > > libgnome-menu`/gnome-menus/*.h > > GEN GMenu-2.0.gir > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. DBus-1.0.gir -o ./DBus-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. GConf-2.0.gir -o ./GConf-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. GnomeKeyring-2.0.gir -o ./GnomeKeyring-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Pango-1.0.gir -o ./Pango-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. PangoFT2-1.0.gir -o ./PangoFT2-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. PangoCairo-1.0.gir -o ./PangoCairo-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. PangoXft-1.0.gir -o ./PangoXft-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. PangoX-1.0.gir -o ./PangoX-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Atk-1.0.gir -o ./Atk-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir -o ./GdkPixbuf-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Gdk-2.0.gir -o ./Gdk-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Gtk-2.0.gir -o ./Gtk-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Clutter-0.8.gir -o ./Clutter-0.8.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. ClutterJson-0.8.gir -o ./ClutterJson-0.8.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Gst-0.10.gir -o ./Gst-0.10.typelib > > > > ** WARNING **: Entry 'GstBufferList' not found > > aborting... > > make[2]: *** [Gst-0.10.typelib] Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped) > > make[2]: Leaving directory > > `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository/gir' > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository' > > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > *** Error during phase build of gir-repository: ########## Error > > running make *** [2/7] > Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks for your time!!!!! > From jon.nettleton@gmail.com Tue Jul 28 06:15:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2D7750004 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:15:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 10079 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.219.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ic3O2GkCSDZV for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:15:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07DF750079 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:15:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4978170ewy.15 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:15:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gOM02nOQVXmXgGLoyvdtWJJwocwRDk6t9Vga6t9t2vc=; b=d0I+Zu6HSrtlJDEfwVn+86KAeciqaUq4Y2bKCmn2bEPAbombTEWoCDclYT9/i8xsOd W9J/pABuGAaKT54y5UwFbRH0sJ0FWD4Xdcsw+w3aFhT1xZtq32O5iteH1ifQD4RVsH13 NDquJ97+xYQMDzA2HG2TL3nd3winUKtEF790o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=XqK8MFttH89KxuuDfUlQg2lwnh1TTp1CPeTIlkqi1l+qI9sI7LIQvsffenb1oM4UZL gKBODSF2wqMth2XqBu+VzoO7Xjf4pUMAReViwOFv5VRRM3OanyBRsepLOLsK5FFhAEKO WtO+k1Lwux7ltaQSIY8w7PRwGn5sPd5Q3fq6Q= Received: by 10.211.180.15 with SMTP id h15mr133642ebp.28.1248761715354; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.105? (x1-6-00-16-b6-ad-03-88.k462.webspeed.dk [83.89.47.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1401711eyb.42.2009.07.27.23.15.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Problem with building Gnome-Shell From: Jon Nettleton To: Shane Fagan In-Reply-To: <1248747344.3673.5.camel@shane-laptop> References: <4A6E5CF7.20806@gmail.com> <1248747344.3673.5.camel@shane-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:15:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1248761708.15897.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dean Loros , Gnome-Shell X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:15:32 -0000 Jhbuild is pulling the most recent development code from git on a daily basis. Because it is in development it will reflect all the most recent changes in the dependency tree. GstBufferList was added to gstreamer-0.10 in version 0.10.23.3. At this point you have a few options, 1) Upgrade your local gstreamer 2) git checkout to an older revision before this change was made 3) update gstreamer to the newest version. Hope that helps you out. Jon On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 03:15 +0100, Shane Fagan wrote: > Im getting the same error with the same OS and version and am getting > the same failure. > > Regards > Shane Fagan > > On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 19:05 -0700, Dean Loros wrote: > > Hi Owen--- > > > > I've been building the shell for the last couple of months & hit a > > stopping block last week. Normally I would just rebuild every day until > > the problem resolved it's self, but more than a week has gone by with > > the same problem....I tried to contact the list about it, but I have not > > seen a answer yet. > > > > I am one of the alpha-testers for Ubuntu--We are currently at alpha 3 & > > bringing in the 2.27 updates--don't know if that is a issue or not--My > > build stops at gir-repository with this: > > > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-scanner -v --namespace GMenu > > > --nsversion=2.0 \ > > > --add-include-path=. --add-include-path=. \ > > > --include=Gtk-2.0 \ > > > --library=gnome-menu \ > > > --libtool="/bin/bash ../libtool" \ > > > --output GMenu-2.0.gir \ > > > --pkg libgnome-menu \ > > > -DGMENU_I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE \ > > > `pkg-config --variable=includedir > > > libgnome-menu`/gnome-menus/*.h > > > GEN GMenu-2.0.gir > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. DBus-1.0.gir -o ./DBus-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. GConf-2.0.gir -o ./GConf-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. GnomeKeyring-2.0.gir -o ./GnomeKeyring-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Pango-1.0.gir -o ./Pango-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. PangoFT2-1.0.gir -o ./PangoFT2-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. PangoCairo-1.0.gir -o ./PangoCairo-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. PangoXft-1.0.gir -o ./PangoXft-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. PangoX-1.0.gir -o ./PangoX-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Atk-1.0.gir -o ./Atk-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir -o ./GdkPixbuf-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Gdk-2.0.gir -o ./Gdk-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Gtk-2.0.gir -o ./Gtk-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Clutter-0.8.gir -o ./Clutter-0.8.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. ClutterJson-0.8.gir -o ./ClutterJson-0.8.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Gst-0.10.gir -o ./Gst-0.10.typelib > > > > > > ** WARNING **: Entry 'GstBufferList' not found > > > aborting... > > > make[2]: *** [Gst-0.10.typelib] Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped) > > > make[2]: Leaving directory > > > `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository/gir' > > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository' > > > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > > *** Error during phase build of gir-repository: ########## Error > > > running make *** [2/7] > > Any thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks for your time!!!!! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list From otaylor@redhat.com Tue Jul 28 16:20:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5047750067 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:20:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.775 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.775 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.747, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_BG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 10794 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [66.187.237.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IS-MVh7tSE08 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:20:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.redhat.com (mx2.redhat.com [66.187.237.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF1C750120 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:19:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from int-mx2.corp.redhat.com (int-mx2.corp.redhat.com [172.16.27.26]) by mx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6SGJrxr016138; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:19:53 -0400 Received: from ns3.rdu.redhat.com (ns3.rdu.redhat.com [10.11.255.199]) by int-mx2.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n6SGJq94030022; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:19:53 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by ns3.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6SGJqDj032194; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:19:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Problem with building Gnome-Shell From: Owen Taylor To: Dean Loros In-Reply-To: <4A6E5CF7.20806@gmail.com> References: <4A6E5CF7.20806@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:19:51 -0400 Message-Id: <1248797991.18425.574.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on 172.16.27.26 Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org, Owen Taylor X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:20:12 -0000 On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 19:05 -0700, Dean Loros wrote: > Hi Owen--- > > I've been building the shell for the last couple of months & hit a > stopping block last week. Normally I would just rebuild every day until > the problem resolved it's self, but more than a week has gone by with > the same problem....I tried to contact the list about it, but I have not > seen a answer yet. > > I am one of the alpha-testers for Ubuntu--We are currently at alpha 3 & > bringing in the 2.27 updates--don't know if that is a issue or not--My > build stops at gir-repository with this: This is an addition of a header file to GStreamer in the latest 0.10 versions that is not listed in the gir-repository Makefile.am. I'm not completely sure why the header files are listed individually, but since they are, addition of new header files to GStreamer can cause problems. I've attached a fix to: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590031 Filing bugs in bugzilla is a good approach when you hit compilation failures like this. (The product/component for gir-repository is the non-obvious glib/introspection.) - Owen > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-scanner -v --namespace GMenu > > --nsversion=2.0 \ > > --add-include-path=. --add-include-path=. \ > > --include=Gtk-2.0 \ > > --library=gnome-menu \ > > --libtool="/bin/bash ../libtool" \ > > --output GMenu-2.0.gir \ > > --pkg libgnome-menu \ > > -DGMENU_I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE \ > > `pkg-config --variable=includedir > > libgnome-menu`/gnome-menus/*.h > > GEN GMenu-2.0.gir > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. DBus-1.0.gir -o ./DBus-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. GConf-2.0.gir -o ./GConf-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. GnomeKeyring-2.0.gir -o ./GnomeKeyring-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Pango-1.0.gir -o ./Pango-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. PangoFT2-1.0.gir -o ./PangoFT2-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. PangoCairo-1.0.gir -o ./PangoCairo-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. PangoXft-1.0.gir -o ./PangoXft-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. PangoX-1.0.gir -o ./PangoX-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Atk-1.0.gir -o ./Atk-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir -o ./GdkPixbuf-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Gdk-2.0.gir -o ./Gdk-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Gtk-2.0.gir -o ./Gtk-2.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Clutter-0.8.gir -o ./Clutter-0.8.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. ClutterJson-0.8.gir -o ./ClutterJson-0.8.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > --includedir=. Gst-0.10.gir -o ./Gst-0.10.typelib > > > > ** WARNING **: Entry 'GstBufferList' not found > > aborting... > > make[2]: *** [Gst-0.10.typelib] Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped) > > make[2]: Leaving directory > > `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository/gir' > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository' > > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > *** Error during phase build of gir-repository: ########## Error > > running make *** [2/7] > Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks for your time!!!!! > From ubuntu1user@gmail.com Tue Jul 28 19:41:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF4F7501B0 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:41:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.521 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, TW_BG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6596 hrs), (distance 11, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.216.197] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XLuszhhG1vQo for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:41:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-px0-f197.google.com (mail-px0-f197.google.com [209.85.216.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E565D75017F for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:41:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: by pxi35 with SMTP id 35so197603pxi.13 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:41:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=c1rAt8h2PsMHJVWKOPa8mpsElzzaosaIDRhd0aK1I6g=; b=LcZDwr+2DXyp3ow/XTOi/alWCdrf/k/2E7mz4fm4pc5n/0RwdZYWVQB320HhSQjq2N ggdddPhIaa9eTZGQXQER3Doi1yExAgEMmzGqky5M7rqFpCWM10VyQThqMvDg1fwHvCQ0 WXJOloqx9InfT7hc4jy3BQb1b9cNinLs9SGoE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=TNT8zcWgIvkydS3tMORkPvp293Z7NBgomOovWVJHC3hHfSO8+r/mwdYiBWH32O/m6r mBPDtIH1moGB6LPHAzeYjZa5SYpqvXtmRbVtMKL+NZUKtVa+B+VBahdfHZJoUqajzgmu OBzOOo5I64UrtUZwfl1s5mhM2EAT6rqfQyIgY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.42.6 with SMTP id u6mr1167655wfj.202.1248810083761; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:41:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1248797991.18425.574.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A6E5CF7.20806@gmail.com> <1248797991.18425.574.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:41:23 -0700 Message-ID: <2a6a08a60907281241m64f79f10m6b03ed08fbc91730@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Problem with building Gnome-Shell From: Dean Loros To: Owen Taylor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e8fef46f400b046fc941b3 Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:41:40 -0000 --001636e8fef46f400b046fc941b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Owen!!! I was going to file a report but thought that you would have a quick answer--I had posted on the list with no answers back on this, so I thought that you would be " in the know" about it....I will go thru channels next time ;) Cheers!!!! Dean Loros On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 19:05 -0700, Dean Loros wrote: > > Hi Owen--- > > > > I've been building the shell for the last couple of months & hit a > > stopping block last week. Normally I would just rebuild every day until > > the problem resolved it's self, but more than a week has gone by with > > the same problem....I tried to contact the list about it, but I have not > > seen a answer yet. > > > > I am one of the alpha-testers for Ubuntu--We are currently at alpha 3 & > > bringing in the 2.27 updates--don't know if that is a issue or not--My > > build stops at gir-repository with this: > > This is an addition of a header file to GStreamer in the latest 0.10 > versions that is not listed in the gir-repository Makefile.am. > > I'm not completely sure why the header files are listed individually, > but since they are, addition of new header files to GStreamer can cause > problems. > > I've attached a fix to: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590031 > > Filing bugs in bugzilla is a good approach when you hit compilation > failures like this. (The product/component for gir-repository is the > non-obvious glib/introspection.) > > - Owen > > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-scanner -v --namespace GMenu > > > --nsversion=2.0 \ > > > --add-include-path=. --add-include-path=. \ > > > --include=Gtk-2.0 \ > > > --library=gnome-menu \ > > > --libtool="/bin/bash ../libtool" \ > > > --output GMenu-2.0.gir \ > > > --pkg libgnome-menu \ > > > -DGMENU_I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE \ > > > `pkg-config --variable=includedir > > > libgnome-menu`/gnome-menus/*.h > > > GEN GMenu-2.0.gir > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. DBus-1.0.gir -o ./DBus-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. GConf-2.0.gir -o ./GConf-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. GnomeKeyring-2.0.gir -o ./GnomeKeyring-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Pango-1.0.gir -o ./Pango-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. PangoFT2-1.0.gir -o ./PangoFT2-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. PangoCairo-1.0.gir -o ./PangoCairo-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. PangoXft-1.0.gir -o ./PangoXft-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. PangoX-1.0.gir -o ./PangoX-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Atk-1.0.gir -o ./Atk-1.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir -o ./GdkPixbuf-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Gdk-2.0.gir -o ./Gdk-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Gtk-2.0.gir -o ./Gtk-2.0.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Clutter-0.8.gir -o ./Clutter-0.8.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. ClutterJson-0.8.gir -o ./ClutterJson-0.8.typelib > > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=. > > > --includedir=. Gst-0.10.gir -o ./Gst-0.10.typelib > > > > > > ** WARNING **: Entry 'GstBufferList' not found > > > aborting... > > > make[2]: *** [Gst-0.10.typelib] Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped) > > > make[2]: Leaving directory > > > `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository/gir' > > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository' > > > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > > *** Error during phase build of gir-repository: ########## Error > > > running make *** [2/7] > > Any thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks for your time!!!!! > > > > --001636e8fef46f400b046fc941b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Owen!!!

I was going to file a report but thought that you = would have a quick answer--I had posted on the list with no answers back on= this, so I thought that you would be " in the know" about it....= I will go thru channels next time ;)


Cheers!!!!
Dean Loros

On Tue, = Jul 28, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Owen Taylor <otaylor@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 19:05 -0700, Dean Loros wrote:
> Hi Owen---
>
> I've been building the shell for the last couple of months & h= it a
> stopping block last week. Normally I would just rebuild every day unti= l
> the problem resolved it's self, but more than a week has gone by w= ith
> the same problem....I tried to contact the list about it, but I have n= ot
> seen a answer yet.
>
> I am one of the alpha-testers for Ubuntu--We are currently at alpha 3 = &
> bringing in the 2.27 updates--don't know if that is a issue or not= --My
> build stops at gir-repository with this:

This is an addition of a header file to GStreamer in the latest 0.10<= br> versions that is not listed in the gir-repository Makefile.am.

I'm not completely sure why the header files are listed individually, but since they are, addition of new header files to GStreamer can cause
problems.

I've attached a fix to:

=A0http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D590031

Filing bugs in bugzilla is a good approach when you hit compilation
failures like this. (The product/component for gir-repository is the
non-obvious glib/introspection.)

- Owen

> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-scanner -v --namespace GM= enu
> > --nsversion=3D2.0 \
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --add-include-path=3D. --add-include-path= =3D. \
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --include=3DGtk-2.0 \
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --library=3Dgnome-menu \
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --libtool=3D"/bin/bash ../libtool" \ > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --output GMenu-2.0.gir \
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --pkg libgnome-menu \
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-DGMENU_I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE \
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 `pkg-config --variable=3Dincludedir
> > libgnome-menu`/gnome-menus/*.h
> > =A0 GEN =A0 GMenu-2.0.gir
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0DBus-1.0.gir -o ./DBus-1.0.typelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0GConf-2.0.gir -o ./GConf-2.0.typelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0GnomeKeyring-2.0.gir -o ./GnomeKeyring-2.0.ty= pelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0Pango-1.0.gir -o ./Pango-1.0.typelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0PangoFT2-1.0.gir -o ./PangoFT2-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0PangoCairo-1.0.gir -o ./PangoCairo-1.0.typeli= b
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0PangoXft-1.0.gir -o ./PangoXft-1.0.typelib > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0PangoX-1.0.gir -o ./PangoX-1.0.typelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0Atk-1.0.gir -o ./Atk-1.0.typelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir -o ./GdkPixbuf-2.0.typelib<= br> > > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0Gdk-2.0.gir -o ./Gdk-2.0.typelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0Gtk-2.0.gir -o ./Gtk-2.0.typelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0Clutter-0.8.gir -o ./Clutter-0.8.typelib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0ClutterJson-0.8.gir -o ./ClutterJson-0.8.type= lib
> > /home/dean/gnome-shell/install/bin/g-ir-compiler --includedir=3D.=
> > --includedir=3D. =A0Gst-0.10.gir -o ./Gst-0.10.typelib
> >
> > ** WARNING **: Entry 'GstBufferList' not found
> > aborting...
> > make[2]: *** [Gst-0.10.typelib] Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumpe= d)
> > make[2]: Leaving directory
> > `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-repository/gir'
> > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dean/gnome-shell/source/gir-rep= ository'
> > make: *** [all] Error 2
> > *** Error during phase build of gir-repository: ########## Error<= br> > > running make =A0 *** [2/7]
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks for your time!!!!!
>


--001636e8fef46f400b046fc941b3-- From Shane.Nuessler@canberra.edu.au Thu Jul 30 00:39:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C949275027F for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:39:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.702 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.702 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [137.92.97.22] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eNXzP+XX-QaP for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:39:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aires.canberra.edu.au (aires.canberra.edu.au [137.92.97.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5C3750275 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:39:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au (Not Verified[137.92.98.19]) by aires.canberra.edu.au id ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:39:25 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA10AE.2F7C13F4" Subject: social networking Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:39:24 +1000 Message-ID: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EEA2@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: social networking thread-index: AcoQri95jEcyyjk8Qw6WLNIxfqqzfQ== From: "Shane.Nuessler" To: X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:39:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10AE.2F7C13F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 In my current Gnome enviro I would like to be able to post to my blog, update my delicious.com bookmarks, and keep track of RSS feeds. The notion I'm proposing is that the shell becomes the access point to these external services. =20 Is there error in my view? =20 Mr Shane Nuessler e-Learning Designer Teaching and Learning Centre University of Canberra ACT 2601=20 =20 Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655 Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172 Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au =20 'Anther day, another dimension of learning' =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify us by email reply and delete it from your system. The University of Canberra accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10AE.2F7C13F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

In my current Gnome enviro I would like to be able to post to my blog, update = my delicious.com bookmarks, and keep track of RSS = feeds.

The notion I’m proposing is that the shell becomes the access point to = these external services.

 

Is there error in my view?

 

Mr Shane Nuessler
e-Learning Designer
Teaching and Learning Centre
University of Canberra ACT 2601 =

 

Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655

Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172
Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.ed= u.au

 

'Anther day, another dimension of learning'

 

Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS)
Registered Provider number: #00212K

 

NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may = contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the = addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify us by email = reply and delete it from your system. The University of Canberra = accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this = email.

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10AE.2F7C13F4-- From aantny@gmail.com Thu Jul 30 18:03:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39178750275 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:03:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 7118 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.210.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pgo0FWFgAcDb for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:03:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124B0750244 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:03:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so734583yxe.13 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AxCW0lM0W9qFs+RAIuEmlyTidfYdmQyxfZr9e5D3X+4=; b=wtIpVv+Twj0udtBnyE24sbndVmc4bUq7/ydUZCCD4dKJXrSFjSkwbW0j+5la9CRRyJ emFGaLiTxvVMnBZbmR04K/kDfUH5Lxh9xFTqbC7EgBpVR1RAjQnEg2BFi6Y36jClaLq7 96Nf37L4Gi6jei1q1FkxRhLL58WXP+9PqxGI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=mz/GcyLl8dfRqaKWxT+DpOElDUF2dC0wRQMIoqsVk+EZZuytgd3EzHDT78l4rcIbZn GFVJG0w4ErwqPY847OGW/qI7jqaAeyb4v1UmYDStPPHhLiHgP+9Ops9zMWDrav49imS1 IsbB+en7HPX4fYO61VTZmJ1VD2pl9G87KEZlE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.34.11 with SMTP id h11mr1104161agh.40.1248977006291; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EEA2@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> References: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EEA2@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:03:26 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: social networking From: Natan Yellin To: "Shane.Nuessler" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163616498fcaeb0c046ff01e7e Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:03:47 -0000 --00163616498fcaeb0c046ff01e7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Shane, You already can post to your blog, update your bookmarks, and keep track of RSS feeds from your desktop using Epiphany or Firefox. :) (I know that's probably not what you meant, but if something isn't broken then don't fix it.) What type of further integration would you like to see and why would it be better than just using a browser? Natan On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Shane.Nuessler < Shane.Nuessler@canberra.edu.au> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > In my current Gnome enviro I would like to be able to post to my blog, > update my delicious.com bookmarks, and keep track of RSS feeds. > > The notion I=92m proposing is that the shell becomes the access point to > these external services. > > > > Is there error in my view? > > > > Mr Shane Nuessler > e-Learning Designer > Teaching and Learning Centre > University of Canberra ACT 2601 > > > > Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655 > > Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172 > Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au > > > > 'Anther day, another dimension of learning' > > > > Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) > Registered Provider number: #00212K > > > > NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may > contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of = the > addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify us= by > email reply and delete it from your system. The University of Canberra > accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by th= is > email. > > > > Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider numbe= r: > #00212K > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > --00163616498fcaeb0c046ff01e7e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Shane,
You already can post to your blog, update you= r bookmarks, and keep track of RSS feeds from your desktop using Epiphany o= r Firefox. :)
(I know that's probably not what you meant, but if som= ething isn't broken then don't fix it.)

What type of further integration would you like to see and why would it= be better than just using a browser?

Natan

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Shane.Nuessler <Shane.Nuessler@canbe= rra.edu.au> wrote:

Hi all,

=A0

In my current Gnome enviro I would like to be able to post to my blog, update my delicious.com bookma= rks, and keep track of RSS feeds.

The notion I=92m proposing is that the shell becomes the access point to these external services.

=A0

Is there error in my view?

=A0

Mr Shane Nuessler
e-Learning Designer
Teaching and Learning Centre
University of Canberra ACT 2601

=A0

Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655

Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172
Email: = shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au

=A0

'An= ther day, another dimension of learning'

=A0

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Registered Provider number: #00212K

=A0

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--00163616498fcaeb0c046ff01e7e-- From Shane.Nuessler@canberra.edu.au Fri Jul 31 00:11:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2417475004D for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:11:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.898 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [137.92.97.21] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M01YXFoiiGQi for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:11:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from buenos.canberra.edu.au (buenos.canberra.edu.au [137.92.97.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2661F75002E for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au (Not Verified[137.92.98.19]) by buenos.canberra.edu.au id ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:10:57 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA1173.638E49E2" Subject: RE: social networking Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:11:02 +1000 Message-ID: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EEA5@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: social networking thread-index: AcoRQBFEnYiDLNyqS8ufV3HksnHzyQAMrSAg References: <63F017FC9B34084F8D216E83F9E0184D07B9EEA2@amsterdam.ucstaff.win.canberra.edu.au> From: "Shane.Nuessler" To: "Natan Yellin" Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Next generation GNOME desktop shell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:11:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA1173.638E49E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Natan, =20 I felt it would be convenient to not have to load a browser to do things I want to have access to all the time.=20 I think that putting stuff online is such a common task for everyone now that I ask myself why shouldn't these features be accessible from widgets/panel applets/the shell? One example of something already existing along these lines is updating my IM status from the Ubuntu panel. =20 To be honest, I really couldn't be bothered blogging if it isn't easy and accessible in as few clicks as possible... I want the desktop to give me access to the cloud. Am I lazy, or typical? =20 Mr Shane Nuessler e-Learning Designer Teaching and Learning Centre University of Canberra ACT 2601=20 =20 Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655 Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172 Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au =20 'Anther day, another dimension of learning' =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify us by email reply and delete it from your system. The University of Canberra accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 ________________________________ From: Natan Yellin [mailto:aantny@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, 31 July 2009 4:03 AM To: Shane.Nuessler Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: social networking =20 Hi Shane, You already can post to your blog, update your bookmarks, and keep track of RSS feeds from your desktop using Epiphany or Firefox. :) (I know that's probably not what you meant, but if something isn't broken then don't fix it.) What type of further integration would you like to see and why would it be better than just using a browser? Natan On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Shane.Nuessler wrote: Hi all, =20 In my current Gnome enviro I would like to be able to post to my blog, update my delicious.com bookmarks, and keep track of RSS feeds. The notion I'm proposing is that the shell becomes the access point to these external services. =20 Is there error in my view? =20 Mr Shane Nuessler e-Learning Designer Teaching and Learning Centre University of Canberra ACT 2601=20 =20 Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655 Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172 Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au =20 'Anther day, another dimension of learning' =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify us by email reply and delete it from your system. The University of Canberra accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. =20 Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K=20 =20 _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA1173.638E49E2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Natan,

 

I felt it would be convenient to = not have to load a browser to do things I want to have access to all the time. =

I think that putting stuff online = is such a common task for everyone now that I ask myself why shouldn’t = these features be accessible from widgets/panel applets/the = shell?

One example of something already = existing along these lines is updating my IM status from the Ubuntu = panel.

 

To be honest, I really = couldn’t be bothered blogging if it isn’t easy and accessible in as few clicks = as possible… I want the desktop to give me access to the = cloud.

Am I lazy, or = typical?

 

Mr Shane Nuessler
e-Learning Designer
Teaching and Learning Centre
University of Canberra ACT 2601 =

 

=

Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 = 5655

Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172
Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.ed= u.au

 

=

'Anther day, another dimension of learning'

 

=

Australian Government Higher = Education (CRICOS)
Registered Provider number: #00212K

 

=

NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email = and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the addressee only. If you have = received this email in error please notify us by email reply and delete it from = your system. The University of Canberra = accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this = email.

 

=

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From: Natan Yellin [mailto:aantny@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 31 July = 2009 4:03 AM
To: Shane.Nuessler
Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: social = networking

 

Hi Shane,
You already can post to your blog, update your bookmarks, and keep track = of RSS feeds from your desktop using Epiphany or Firefox. :)
(I know that's probably not what you meant, but if something isn't = broken then don't fix it.)

What type of further integration would you like to see and why would it = be better than just using a browser?

Natan

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Shane.Nuessler <Shane.Nuessler@canberra.ed= u.au> wrote:

Hi all,

 

In my current Gnome enviro I would like to be able to post to my blog, = update my delicious.com = bookmarks, and keep track of RSS feeds.

The notion I’m proposing is that the shell becomes the access point to = these external services.

 

Is there error in my view?

 

Mr Shane Nuessler
e-Learning Designer
Teaching and Learning Centre
University of Canberra ACT 2601 =

 

Phone: +61 (0)2 6201 5655

Fax: +61 (0)2 6201 5172
Email: shane.nuessler@canberra.edu.au

 

'Anther day, another dimension of learning'

 

Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS)
Registered Provider number: #00212K

 

NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it may = contain confidential or copyright materials and are for the attention of the = addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify us by email = reply and delete it from your system. The University of Canberra = accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this = email.

 

Australian Government Higher Education (CRICOS) Registered Provider number: #00212K =

 


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