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hi,

I want to make this extension [1] work in 3.12.
Is there a tutorial for this?
If not, how should I start?

Thanks.

[1] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/162/todo-list/

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<div dir=3D"ltr">hi,<div><br></div><div>I want to make this extension [1] w=
ork in 3.12.</div><div>Is there a tutorial for this?</div><div>If not, how =
should I start?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>

[1]=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/162/todo-list/">=
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/162/todo-list/</a></div></div>

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I have some problems with porting my extensions to 3.12:

before, the javascript source was in /usr/share/gnome-shell/..... .
now there is: nothing!

So where has the java-script original code gone?

also, looking-glass doesn't seem to work as before:
although my extension (which is working in 3.10) is showing "error" in
https://extensions.gnome.org , looking-glass shows that the extension has
no errors.

So, by trial and error, I found out the problem is:
const SD = imports.ui.searchDisplay;

But there are the next problems:
How do I get the new import?
1. Can't find the source.
2. entering "imports" in looking-glass doesn't give me an browseable object
as before.

I'm a bit frustrated. :-(

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I have s=
ome problems with porting my extensions to 3.12:<br></div><div><br>before, =
the javascript source was in /usr/share/gnome-shell/..... . <br></div>now t=
here is: nothing!<br>

<br></div>So where has the java-script original code gone?<br><br></div>als=
o, looking-glass doesn&#39;t seem to work as before:<br></div>although my e=
xtension (which is working in 3.10) is showing &quot;error&quot; in <a href=
=3D"https://extensions.gnome.org" target=3D"_blank">https://extensions.gnom=
e.org</a> , looking-glass shows that the extension has no errors. <br>

<br></div>So, by trial and error, I found out the problem is:<br>const SD =
=3D imports.ui.searchDisplay;<br><br></div>But there are the next problems:=
 <br></div>How do I get the new import?<br></div>1. Can&#39;t find the sour=
ce.<br>

</div>2. entering &quot;imports&quot; in looking-glass doesn&#39;t give me =
an browseable object as before. <br><br></div>I&#39;m a bit frustrated. :-(=
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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Bazon Bloch <bazonbloch@arcor.de> wrote:
> I have some problems with porting my extensions to 3.12:
>
> before, the javascript source was in /usr/share/gnome-shell/..... .
> now there is: nothing!
>
> So where has the java-script original code gone?

http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/03/24/keeping-gnome-shell-approachable/
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Thanks, that's a better point to start...


2014-05-01 17:46 GMT+02:00 drago01 <drago01@gmail.com>:

> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Bazon Bloch <bazonbloch@arcor.de> wrote:
> > I have some problems with porting my extensions to 3.12:
> >
> > before, the javascript source was in /usr/share/gnome-shell/..... .
> > now there is: nothing!
> >
> > So where has the java-script original code gone?
>
> http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/03/24/keeping-gnome-shell-approachable/
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, that&#39;s a better point to start...<br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-05-01 17:46=
 GMT+02:00 drago01 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:drago01@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">drago01@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:35 =
PM, Bazon Bloch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bazonbloch@arcor.de">bazonbloch@arcor=
.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; I have some problems with porting my extensions to 3.12:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; before, the javascript source was in /usr/share/gnome-shell/..... .<br=
>
&gt; now there is: nothing!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So where has the java-script original code gone?<br>
<br>
</div><a href=3D"http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/03/24/keeping-gnome-sh=
ell-approachable/" target=3D"_blank">http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/03=
/24/keeping-gnome-shell-approachable/</a><br>
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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Bazon Bloch <bazonbloch@arcor.de> wrote:

> Thanks, that's a better point to start...
>

Did you manage to udpate your extension to 3.12?
Which extension have you written?

Thanks!

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<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Bazon Bloch <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bazonbloch@arcor.de" target="_blank">bazonbloch@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks, that&#39;s a better point to start...</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Did you manage to udpate your extension to 3.12?</div>

<div>Which extension have you written?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div></div></div></div>

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Not yet, the extension includes several monkey-patches (it modifies the
behavior of the shell) and is highly sensitive to changes of the code. It
is:
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/440/workspace-separation-on-dash/

Thanks! :-)


2014-05-01 18:09 GMT+02:00 Sindhu S <sindhus@live.in>:

>
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Bazon Bloch <bazonbloch@arcor.de> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, that's a better point to start...
>>
>
> Did you manage to udpate your extension to 3.12?
> Which extension have you written?
>
> Thanks!
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Not yet, the extension includes several monkey-patches (it=
 modifies the behavior of the shell) and is highly sensitive to changes of =
the code. It is:<div><a href=3D"https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/440/=
workspace-separation-on-dash/">https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/440/w=
orkspace-separation-on-dash/</a>=C2=A0<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks! :-)</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-05-01 18:09 GMT+02:00 Sindhu S <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sindhus@live.in" target=3D"_blank">sin=
dhus@live.in</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">On Thu, May 1, 2014 =
at 5:57 PM, Bazon Bloch <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bazonbloch@=
arcor.de" target=3D"_blank">bazonbloch@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, that&#39;s a better=
 point to start...</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Did you mana=
ge to udpate your extension to 3.12?</div>


<div>Which extension have you written?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</di=
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I've compiled gnome-3.10.x from source to run on a machine with an intel co=
re-i7 2640m 2.8GHz cpu with 8GB RAM and intel hd3000 graphics on 64bit tiny=
corelinux using a 3.8.13 kernel.

Using gnome-session/gnome-shell, most things seem to work, but the graphics=
 display is very poor.

The display background continually turns bright white and dragging any wind=
ow produces a trail of multiple windows behind it. The only way to fix this=
 seems to use the mac/special/windows key to move to the "task-switcher" sc=
reen and back again.

Setting CLUTTER_PAINT=3D"disable-clipped-redraws:disable-culling" does not =
seem to help appreciably.

Are the above problems caused by the graphics not being powerful enough or =
is it a software problem?

If it is a software problem, are there any patches available to fix this wi=
thout moving to gnome-3.12.x? The software in use is listed below.

Regards
John
----------
gnome-session-3.10.1
gnome-shell-3.10.3
mutter-3.10.4
clutter-1.16.2
cogl-1.16.0
xf86-video-intel-2.21.15


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On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM, John Frankish <j-frankish@slb.com> wrote:
> I've compiled gnome-3.10.x from source to run on a machine with an intel core-i7 2640m 2.8GHz cpu with 8GB RAM and intel hd3000 graphics on 64bit tinycorelinux using a 3.8.13 kernel.
>
> Using gnome-session/gnome-shell, most things seem to work, but the graphics display is very poor.
>
> The display background continually turns bright white and dragging any window produces a trail of multiple windows behind it. The only way to fix this seems to use the mac/special/windows key to move to the "task-switcher" screen and back again.
>
> Setting CLUTTER_PAINT="disable-clipped-redraws:disable-culling" does not seem to help appreciably.
>
> Are the above problems caused by the graphics not being powerful enough or is it a software problem?

No that has nothing to do with "being powerful enough" it sounds like
a driver issue (mesa or kernel).
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It's an issue with the background and can be fixed by setting your
background to a constant color. You can also apply the four patches in this
bug, but I'm not sure if it will cleanly apply on top of 3.10.x:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722149


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:31 AM, John Frankish <j-frankish@slb.com> wrote:

> I've compiled gnome-3.10.x from source to run on a machine with an intel
> core-i7 2640m 2.8GHz cpu with 8GB RAM and intel hd3000 graphics on 64bit
> tinycorelinux using a 3.8.13 kernel.
>
> Using gnome-session/gnome-shell, most things seem to work, but the
> graphics display is very poor.
>
> The display background continually turns bright white and dragging any
> window produces a trail of multiple windows behind it. The only way to fix
> this seems to use the mac/special/windows key to move to the
> "task-switcher" screen and back again.
>
> Setting CLUTTER_PAINT="disable-clipped-redraws:disable-culling" does not
> seem to help appreciably.
>
> Are the above problems caused by the graphics not being powerful enough or
> is it a software problem?
>
> If it is a software problem, are there any patches available to fix this
> without moving to gnome-3.12.x? The software in use is listed below.
>
> Regards
> John
> ----------
> gnome-session-3.10.1
> gnome-shell-3.10.3
> mutter-3.10.4
> clutter-1.16.2
> cogl-1.16.0
> xf86-video-intel-2.21.15
>
>
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> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
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>



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<div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s an issue with the background and can be fixed by =
setting your background to a constant color. You can also apply the four pa=
tches in this bug, but I&#39;m not sure if it will cleanly apply on top of =
3.10.x:<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D722149">https:/=
/bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D722149</a><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:31 AM=
, John Frankish <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:j-frankish@slb.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">j-frankish@slb.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;ve compiled gnome-3.10.x from source t=
o run on a machine with an intel core-i7 2640m 2.8GHz cpu with 8GB RAM and =
intel hd3000 graphics on 64bit tinycorelinux using a 3.8.13 kernel.<br>

<br>
Using gnome-session/gnome-shell, most things seem to work, but the graphics=
 display is very poor.<br>
<br>
The display background continually turns bright white and dragging any wind=
ow produces a trail of multiple windows behind it. The only way to fix this=
 seems to use the mac/special/windows key to move to the &quot;task-switche=
r&quot; screen and back again.<br>

<br>
Setting CLUTTER_PAINT=3D&quot;disable-clipped-redraws:disable-culling&quot;=
 does not seem to help appreciably.<br>
<br>
Are the above problems caused by the graphics not being powerful enough or =
is it a software problem?<br>
<br>
If it is a software problem, are there any patches available to fix this wi=
thout moving to gnome-3.12.x? The software in use is listed below.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
John<br>
----------<br>
gnome-session-3.10.1<br>
gnome-shell-3.10.3<br>
mutter-3.10.4<br>
clutter-1.16.2<br>
cogl-1.16.0<br>
xf86-video-intel-2.21.15<br>
<br>
<br>
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Hi Jakub,

That sounds fine, and I'll review any patch to gjs you guys submit. Just
curious, have you investigated what Mozilla does for their stack traces? We
can't be the only ones having this issue. A little Googling suggests there
might be a way to grab a JS stack trace out of a core dump file, which
might be more interesting than having some sketchy code run in the SIGSEGV
handler:

http://www.visophyte.org/blog/2009/09/12/prototype-unified-javascriptc-back-traces-for-mozilla-in-archer-gdb/
http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bugmail_asutherland.org/pythongdb-gaudy/


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Jakub Filak <jfilak@redhat.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am a member of the ABRT team. We have recently found an interesting page
> about
> GNOME Shell debugging[1]. According to that page, it is possible to obtain
> a
> stack trace of executed JavaScript code in gdb. So we got an idea to
> include
> the JavaScript stack trace in Bugzilla bugs filed by ABRT. I tried to
> obtain
> the JavaScript stack trace by attaching gdb to a core dump file but it
> didn't
> work because we can call a method only when gdb is connected to a process.
>
> But we got another idea. Would it be possible to write the JavaScript stack
> trace to a file (or journald) in a well known path upon receiving a UNIX
> signal? This already works for JVM, which creates the hs_err_pid.log
> file[2]
> when a JVM process is to die and ABRT includes the hs err log file in
> Bugzilla
> bugs.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Jakub
>
>
> 1: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Debugging
> 2: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/felog-138657.html
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Jakub,<br><br></div>That sounds fine, and I&#39;ll=
 review any patch to gjs you guys submit. Just curious, have you investigat=
ed what Mozilla does for their stack traces? We can&#39;t be the only ones =
having this issue. A little Googling suggests there might be a way to grab =
a JS stack trace out of a core dump file, which might be more interesting t=
han having some sketchy code run in the SIGSEGV handler:<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.visophyte.org/blog/2009/09/12/prototype-unified-j=
avascriptc-back-traces-for-mozilla-in-archer-gdb/">http://www.visophyte.org=
/blog/2009/09/12/prototype-unified-javascriptc-back-traces-for-mozilla-in-a=
rcher-gdb/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bugmail_asutherland.org/pythongdb-ga=
udy/">http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bugmail_asutherland.org/pythongdb-gaudy/<=
/a><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Jakub Filak <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jfilak@redhat.com" target=3D"_blank">jfilak@redhat.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
I am a member of the ABRT team. We have recently found an interesting page =
about<br>
GNOME Shell debugging[1]. According to that page, it is possible to obtain =
a<br>
stack trace of executed JavaScript code in gdb. So we got an idea to includ=
e<br>
the JavaScript stack trace in Bugzilla bugs filed by ABRT. I tried to obtai=
n<br>
the JavaScript stack trace by attaching gdb to a core dump file but it didn=
&#39;t<br>
work because we can call a method only when gdb is connected to a process.<=
br>
<br>
But we got another idea. Would it be possible to write the JavaScript stack=
<br>
trace to a file (or journald) in a well known path upon receiving a UNIX<br=
>
signal? This already works for JVM, which creates the hs_err_pid.log file[2=
]<br>
when a JVM process is to die and ABRT includes the hs err log file in Bugzi=
lla<br>
bugs.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jakub<br>
<br>
<br>
1: <a href=3D"https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Debugging" target=
=3D"_blank">https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Debugging</a><br>
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Hey all, I'm currently messing around with making my first extension
https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor.  The idea is to be able to
return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monitor back in.

Right now I have the extension mostly working.  I keep track of all open
windows and update the list only when more than one montior exists and on
any 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-created' events.

The problem I'm having is the case when a saved window gets closed while in
a single monitor setup.  If that happens, shell breaks when I try to return
the windows after plugging a monitor back in.  I need to be able to listen
for any window-close event to remove the window from the list... is there
an easy way of doing this?

I noticed that 'window-left-monitor' catches windows closing, but it seems
hard to check what caused the signal.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hey all, I&#39;m currently messin=
g around with making my first extension <a href=3D"https://github.com/aiguo=
fer/return-to-monitor" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/aiguofer/return=
-to-monitor</a>.=C2=A0 The idea is to be able to return windows to their or=
iginal monitor if you plug a monitor back in.<br>

<br></div><div>Right now I have the extension mostly working.=C2=A0 I keep =
track of all open windows and update the list only when more than one monti=
or exists and on any &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-created&=
#39; events.<br>

<br></div><div>The problem I&#39;m having is the case when a saved window g=
ets closed while in a single monitor setup.=C2=A0 If that happens, shell br=
eaks when I try to return the windows after plugging a monitor back in.=C2=
=A0 I need to be able to listen for any window-close event to remove the wi=
ndow from the list... is there an easy way of doing this?<br>

<br></div><div>I noticed that &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; catches windows=
 closing, but it seems hard to check what caused the signal.<br><br></div><=
div>Any help would be greatly appreciated!<br></div><div>
<br></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><=
div><br>
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2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>:
> Hey all, I'm currently messing around with making my first extension
> https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor.  The idea is to be able to
> return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monitor back in.
>
> Right now I have the extension mostly working.  I keep track of all open
> windows and update the list only when more than one montior exists and on
> any 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-created' events.
>
> The problem I'm having is the case when a saved window gets closed while in
> a single monitor setup.  If that happens, shell breaks when I try to return
> the windows after plugging a monitor back in.  I need to be able to listen
> for any window-close event to remove the window from the list... is there an
> easy way of doing this?
>
> I noticed that 'window-left-monitor' catches windows closing, but it seems
> hard to check what caused the signal.

You can use the 'unmanaged' signal on the window, if you're careful
and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the object
is valid.
Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed signals.

Giovanni
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Hmm, so I'd have to listen for the 'unmanaged' signal for every single
window and keep track of that? seems like it'll add a bit of complexity but
I guess I can manage.

For the 'window-added' and 'window-removed' signals in MetaWorkspace, do
those behave like 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-entered-monitor' in
MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and goes to another will
that be a 'window-removed' and a 'window-added' event?


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna <
scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>:
> > Hey all, I'm currently messing around with making my first extension
> > https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor.  The idea is to be able
> to
> > return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monitor back in.
> >
> > Right now I have the extension mostly working.  I keep track of all ope=
n
> > windows and update the list only when more than one montior exists and =
on
> > any 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-created' events.
> >
> > The problem I'm having is the case when a saved window gets closed whil=
e
> in
> > a single monitor setup.  If that happens, shell breaks when I try to
> return
> > the windows after plugging a monitor back in.  I need to be able to
> listen
> > for any window-close event to remove the window from the list... is
> there an
> > easy way of doing this?
> >
> > I noticed that 'window-left-monitor' catches windows closing, but it
> seems
> > hard to check what caused the signal.
>
> You can use the 'unmanaged' signal on the window, if you're careful
> and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the object
> is valid.
> Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed signals.
>
> Giovanni
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hmm, so I&#39;d have to listen for the &#39;unmanaged=
&#39; signal for every single window and keep track of that? seems like it&=
#39;ll add a bit of complexity but I guess I can manage.<br><br></div>For t=
he &#39;window-added&#39; and &#39;window-removed&#39; signals in MetaWorks=
pace, do those behave like &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-en=
tered-monitor&#39; in MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and=
 goes to another will that be a &#39;window-removed&#39; and a &#39;window-=
added&#39; event?<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
 May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:scampa.giovanni@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">scampa.giovanni@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com">aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;:<br>


<div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Hey all, I&#39;m currently messing around with =
making my first extension<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor</a>. =C2=A0The idea is =
to be able to<br>
&gt; return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monitor back in=
.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Right now I have the extension mostly working. =C2=A0I keep track of a=
ll open<br>
&gt; windows and update the list only when more than one montior exists and=
 on<br>
&gt; any &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-created&#39; events.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The problem I&#39;m having is the case when a saved window gets closed=
 while in<br>
&gt; a single monitor setup. =C2=A0If that happens, shell breaks when I try=
 to return<br>
&gt; the windows after plugging a monitor back in. =C2=A0I need to be able =
to listen<br>
&gt; for any window-close event to remove the window from the list... is th=
ere an<br>
&gt; easy way of doing this?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I noticed that &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; catches windows closing, =
but it seems<br>
&gt; hard to check what caused the signal.<br>
<br>
</div></div>You can use the &#39;unmanaged&#39; signal on the window, if yo=
u&#39;re careful<br>
and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the object<br>
is valid.<br>
Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed signals.<b=
r>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Giovanni<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Diego Fer=
nandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
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2014-05-12 23:00 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>:
> Hmm, so I'd have to listen for the 'unmanaged' signal for every single
> window and keep track of that? seems like it'll add a bit of complexity b=
ut
> I guess I can manage.
>
> For the 'window-added' and 'window-removed' signals in MetaWorkspace, do
> those behave like 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-entered-monitor' in
> MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and goes to another wil=
l
> that be a 'window-removed' and a 'window-added' event?

Yes, but you also need to keep the list of workspaces as they're added
and removed.
You can check the code in js/ui/workspace.js or
js/ui/workspaceThumbnails.js that deals with window-added/removed on a
single workspace, and js/ui/workspacesView.js for keeping the
workspace list up to date.

Giovanni

>
> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna
> <scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>:
>> > Hey all, I'm currently messing around with making my first extension
>> > https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor.  The idea is to be able
>> > to
>> > return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monitor back in=
.
>> >
>> > Right now I have the extension mostly working.  I keep track of all op=
en
>> > windows and update the list only when more than one montior exists and
>> > on
>> > any 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-created' events.
>> >
>> > The problem I'm having is the case when a saved window gets closed whi=
le
>> > in
>> > a single monitor setup.  If that happens, shell breaks when I try to
>> > return
>> > the windows after plugging a monitor back in.  I need to be able to
>> > listen
>> > for any window-close event to remove the window from the list... is
>> > there an
>> > easy way of doing this?
>> >
>> > I noticed that 'window-left-monitor' catches windows closing, but it
>> > seems
>> > hard to check what caused the signal.
>>
>> You can use the 'unmanaged' signal on the window, if you're careful
>> and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the object
>> is valid.
>> Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed signals=
.
>>
>> Giovanni
>
>
>
>
> --
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Ok.. it seems easier to just connect to all windows and keep track of those
(since in my opinion the window should still stay in the same workspace
even if it gets moved while in a single monitor setup).  Do I have to
explicitly disconnect from the window after it gets the 'unmanaged' signal,
or will the object get deleted?


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Giovanni Campagna <
scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2014-05-12 23:00 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>:
> > Hmm, so I'd have to listen for the 'unmanaged' signal for every single
> > window and keep track of that? seems like it'll add a bit of complexity
> but
> > I guess I can manage.
> >
> > For the 'window-added' and 'window-removed' signals in MetaWorkspace, d=
o
> > those behave like 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-entered-monitor' in
> > MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and goes to another
> will
> > that be a 'window-removed' and a 'window-added' event?
>
> Yes, but you also need to keep the list of workspaces as they're added
> and removed.
> You can check the code in js/ui/workspace.js or
> js/ui/workspaceThumbnails.js that deals with window-added/removed on a
> single workspace, and js/ui/workspacesView.js for keeping the
> workspace list up to date.
>
> Giovanni
>
> >
> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna
> > <scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>=
:
> >> > Hey all, I'm currently messing around with making my first extension
> >> > https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor.  The idea is to be
> able
> >> > to
> >> > return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monitor back
> in.
> >> >
> >> > Right now I have the extension mostly working.  I keep track of all
> open
> >> > windows and update the list only when more than one montior exists a=
nd
> >> > on
> >> > any 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-created' events.
> >> >
> >> > The problem I'm having is the case when a saved window gets closed
> while
> >> > in
> >> > a single monitor setup.  If that happens, shell breaks when I try to
> >> > return
> >> > the windows after plugging a monitor back in.  I need to be able to
> >> > listen
> >> > for any window-close event to remove the window from the list... is
> >> > there an
> >> > easy way of doing this?
> >> >
> >> > I noticed that 'window-left-monitor' catches windows closing, but it
> >> > seems
> >> > hard to check what caused the signal.
> >>
> >> You can use the 'unmanaged' signal on the window, if you're careful
> >> and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the object
> >> is valid.
> >> Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed
> signals.
> >>
> >> Giovanni
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Diego Fernandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr">Ok.. it seems easier to just connect to all windows and ke=
ep track of those (since in my opinion the window should still stay in the =
same workspace even if it gets moved while in a single monitor setup).=C2=
=A0 Do I have to explicitly disconnect from the window after it gets the &#=
39;unmanaged&#39; signal, or will the object get deleted?<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
 May 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Giovanni Campagna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:scampa.giovanni@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">scampa.giovanni@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2014-05-12 23:00 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com">aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;:<br>


<div class=3D"">&gt; Hmm, so I&#39;d have to listen for the &#39;unmanaged&=
#39; signal for every single<br>
&gt; window and keep track of that? seems like it&#39;ll add a bit of compl=
exity but<br>
&gt; I guess I can manage.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For the &#39;window-added&#39; and &#39;window-removed&#39; signals in=
 MetaWorkspace, do<br>
&gt; those behave like &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-entere=
d-monitor&#39; in<br>
&gt; MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and goes to another =
will<br>
&gt; that be a &#39;window-removed&#39; and a &#39;window-added&#39; event?=
<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, but you also need to keep the list of workspaces as they&#39;re =
added<br>
and removed.<br>
You can check the code in js/ui/workspace.js or<br>
js/ui/workspaceThumbnails.js that deals with window-added/removed on a<br>
single workspace, and js/ui/workspacesView.js for keeping the<br>
workspace list up to date.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Giovanni<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scampa.giovanni@gmail.com">scampa.giovanni@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
iguo.fernandez@gmail.com">aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hey all, I&#39;m currently messing around with making my firs=
t extension<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor</a>. =C2=A0The=
 idea is to be able<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monito=
r back in.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Right now I have the extension mostly working. =C2=A0I keep t=
rack of all open<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; windows and update the list only when more than one montior e=
xists and<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; on<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; any &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-created&#39=
; events.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; The problem I&#39;m having is the case when a saved window ge=
ts closed while<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; in<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; a single monitor setup. =C2=A0If that happens, shell breaks w=
hen I try to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; return<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; the windows after plugging a monitor back in. =C2=A0I need to=
 be able to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; listen<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; for any window-close event to remove the window from the list=
... is<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; there an<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; easy way of doing this?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I noticed that &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; catches windows =
closing, but it<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; seems<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; hard to check what caused the signal.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; You can use the &#39;unmanaged&#39; signal on the window, if you&#=
39;re careful<br>
&gt;&gt; and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the obj=
ect<br>
&gt;&gt; is valid.<br>
&gt;&gt; Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed s=
ignals.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Giovanni<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Diego Fernandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Diego Ferna=
ndez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
</div>

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Subject: Re: 'window-closed' signal?
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The object will see a g_object_unref right after the signal, that's why you
can't do most calls on it.
On May 13, 2014 1:13 AM, "Diego Fernandez" <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ok.. it seems easier to just connect to all windows and keep track of
> those (since in my opinion the window should still stay in the same
> workspace even if it gets moved while in a single monitor setup).  Do I
> have to explicitly disconnect from the window after it gets the 'unmanage=
d'
> signal, or will the object get deleted?
>
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Giovanni Campagna <
> scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2014-05-12 23:00 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>:
>> > Hmm, so I'd have to listen for the 'unmanaged' signal for every single
>> > window and keep track of that? seems like it'll add a bit of complexit=
y
>> but
>> > I guess I can manage.
>> >
>> > For the 'window-added' and 'window-removed' signals in MetaWorkspace, =
do
>> > those behave like 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-entered-monitor' i=
n
>> > MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and goes to another
>> will
>> > that be a 'window-removed' and a 'window-added' event?
>>
>> Yes, but you also need to keep the list of workspaces as they're added
>> and removed.
>> You can check the code in js/ui/workspace.js or
>> js/ui/workspaceThumbnails.js that deals with window-added/removed on a
>> single workspace, and js/ui/workspacesView.js for keeping the
>> workspace list up to date.
>>
>> Giovanni
>>
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna
>> > <scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com
>> >:
>> >> > Hey all, I'm currently messing around with making my first extensio=
n
>> >> > https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor.  The idea is to be
>> able
>> >> > to
>> >> > return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monitor back
>> in.
>> >> >
>> >> > Right now I have the extension mostly working.  I keep track of all
>> open
>> >> > windows and update the list only when more than one montior exists
>> and
>> >> > on
>> >> > any 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-created' events.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem I'm having is the case when a saved window gets closed
>> while
>> >> > in
>> >> > a single monitor setup.  If that happens, shell breaks when I try t=
o
>> >> > return
>> >> > the windows after plugging a monitor back in.  I need to be able to
>> >> > listen
>> >> > for any window-close event to remove the window from the list... is
>> >> > there an
>> >> > easy way of doing this?
>> >> >
>> >> > I noticed that 'window-left-monitor' catches windows closing, but i=
t
>> >> > seems
>> >> > hard to check what caused the signal.
>> >>
>> >> You can use the 'unmanaged' signal on the window, if you're careful
>> >> and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the object
>> >> is valid.
>> >> Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed
>> signals.
>> >>
>> >> Giovanni
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Diego Fernandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Diego Fernandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
>

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<p dir=3D"ltr">The object will see a g_object_unref right after the signal,=
 that&#39;s why you can&#39;t do most calls on it.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On May 13, 2014 1:13 AM, &quot;Diego Fernandez&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com">aiguo.fernandez@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Ok.. it seems easier to just connect to all windows and ke=
ep track of those (since in my opinion the window should still stay in the =
same workspace even if it gets moved while in a single monitor setup).=C2=
=A0 Do I have to explicitly disconnect from the window after it gets the &#=
39;unmanaged&#39; signal, or will the object get deleted?<br>


</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
 May 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Giovanni Campagna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:scampa.giovanni@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">scampa.giovanni@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2014-05-12 23:00 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">aiguo.fer=
nandez@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>



<div>&gt; Hmm, so I&#39;d have to listen for the &#39;unmanaged&#39; signal=
 for every single<br>
&gt; window and keep track of that? seems like it&#39;ll add a bit of compl=
exity but<br>
&gt; I guess I can manage.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For the &#39;window-added&#39; and &#39;window-removed&#39; signals in=
 MetaWorkspace, do<br>
&gt; those behave like &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-entere=
d-monitor&#39; in<br>
&gt; MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and goes to another =
will<br>
&gt; that be a &#39;window-removed&#39; and a &#39;window-added&#39; event?=
<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, but you also need to keep the list of workspaces as they&#39;re =
added<br>
and removed.<br>
You can check the code in js/ui/workspace.js or<br>
js/ui/workspaceThumbnails.js that deals with window-added/removed on a<br>
single workspace, and js/ui/workspacesView.js for keeping the<br>
workspace list up to date.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Giovanni<br>
</font></span><div><div><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scampa.giovanni@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sca=
mpa.giovanni@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
iguo.fernandez@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hey all, I&#39;m currently messing around with making my firs=
t extension<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor</a>. =C2=A0The=
 idea is to be able<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monito=
r back in.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Right now I have the extension mostly working. =C2=A0I keep t=
rack of all open<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; windows and update the list only when more than one montior e=
xists and<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; on<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; any &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-created&#39=
; events.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; The problem I&#39;m having is the case when a saved window ge=
ts closed while<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; in<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; a single monitor setup. =C2=A0If that happens, shell breaks w=
hen I try to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; return<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; the windows after plugging a monitor back in. =C2=A0I need to=
 be able to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; listen<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; for any window-close event to remove the window from the list=
... is<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; there an<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; easy way of doing this?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I noticed that &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; catches windows =
closing, but it<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; seems<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; hard to check what caused the signal.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; You can use the &#39;unmanaged&#39; signal on the window, if you&#=
39;re careful<br>
&gt;&gt; and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the obj=
ect<br>
&gt;&gt; is valid.<br>
&gt;&gt; Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed s=
ignals.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Giovanni<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Diego Fernandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Diego Ferna=
ndez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
</div>
</blockquote></div>

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>> > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:31 AM, John Frankish <j-frankish@slb.com> wrote:
> [...]
> [  1838.558] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets:
> [  1838.572] (--) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000
> xf86-video-intel-2.21.15
> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09)
> Kernel driver in use: i915
>
> $ cat /var/log/Xorg* | grep SNA
> [   196.737] (II) intel(0): SNA initialized with Sandybridge (gen6, gt2) backend
>

Do not use SNA on such an old driver. There have been a lot of work
going into SNA in the 3.0 driver branch (which is still not released);
SNA is disabled by default for a reason.
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On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:27 AM, John Frankish <j-frankish@slb.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:31 AM, John Frankish <j- frankish@slb.com> wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > [  1838.558] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets:
>> > [  1838.572] (--) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) HD
>> > Graphics 3000
>> > xf86-video-intel-2.21.15
>> > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd
>> > Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
>> > [8086:0126] (rev 09) Kernel driver in use: i915
>> >
>> > $ cat /var/log/Xorg* | grep SNA
>> > [   196.737] (II) intel(0): SNA initialized with Sandybridge (gen6, gt2) backend
>> >
>>
>> Do not use SNA on such an old driver. There have been a lot of work going
>> into SNA in the 3.0 driver branch (which is still not released); SNA is disabled
>> by default for a reason.
>
> OK, but this appears to be the most recent stable driver dated 21-Aug-2013 - the more recent drivers are all 2.99.x series unstable drivers...

I know ... blame Chris Wilson ;)
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Awesome, thanks for all the help!! giovanni++

I seem to have it working now with no clear, visible errors, however I'm
not sure about the style.  When I look at other extensions it seems like
most wrap their extension in a class.  Is this required? or is there a
specific reason for doing this?  The example 'Hello World' extension
doesn't seem to do it so I'm not sure.

Anyway, thanks again and feel free to take it up for a spin.  I'm going to
do a little bit more testing before submitting it to the extensions site.


On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Giovanni Campagna <
scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:

> The object will see a g_object_unref right after the signal, that's why
> you can't do most calls on it.
> On May 13, 2014 1:13 AM, "Diego Fernandez" <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok.. it seems easier to just connect to all windows and keep track of
>> those (since in my opinion the window should still stay in the same
>> workspace even if it gets moved while in a single monitor setup).  Do I
>> have to explicitly disconnect from the window after it gets the 'unmanag=
ed'
>> signal, or will the object get deleted?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Giovanni Campagna <
>> scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 2014-05-12 23:00 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com>:
>>> > Hmm, so I'd have to listen for the 'unmanaged' signal for every singl=
e
>>> > window and keep track of that? seems like it'll add a bit of
>>> complexity but
>>> > I guess I can manage.
>>> >
>>> > For the 'window-added' and 'window-removed' signals in MetaWorkspace,
>>> do
>>> > those behave like 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-entered-monitor' =
in
>>> > MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and goes to another
>>> will
>>> > that be a 'window-removed' and a 'window-added' event?
>>>
>>> Yes, but you also need to keep the list of workspaces as they're added
>>> and removed.
>>> You can check the code in js/ui/workspace.js or
>>> js/ui/workspaceThumbnails.js that deals with window-added/removed on a
>>> single workspace, and js/ui/workspacesView.js for keeping the
>>> workspace list up to date.
>>>
>>> Giovanni
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna
>>> > <scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> 2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez <aiguo.fernandez@gmail.co=
m
>>> >:
>>> >> > Hey all, I'm currently messing around with making my first extensi=
on
>>> >> > https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor.  The idea is to be
>>> able
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monitor bac=
k
>>> in.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Right now I have the extension mostly working.  I keep track of al=
l
>>> open
>>> >> > windows and update the list only when more than one montior exists
>>> and
>>> >> > on
>>> >> > any 'window-left-monitor' and 'window-created' events.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The problem I'm having is the case when a saved window gets closed
>>> while
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > a single monitor setup.  If that happens, shell breaks when I try =
to
>>> >> > return
>>> >> > the windows after plugging a monitor back in.  I need to be able t=
o
>>> >> > listen
>>> >> > for any window-close event to remove the window from the list... i=
s
>>> >> > there an
>>> >> > easy way of doing this?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I noticed that 'window-left-monitor' catches windows closing, but =
it
>>> >> > seems
>>> >> > hard to check what caused the signal.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can use the 'unmanaged' signal on the window, if you're careful
>>> >> and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the objec=
t
>>> >> is valid.
>>> >> Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed
>>> signals.
>>> >>
>>> >> Giovanni
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Diego Fernandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Diego Fernandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
>>
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Awesome, thanks for all the help!! giovanni++<br=
><br></div>I seem to have it working now with no clear, visible errors, how=
ever I&#39;m not sure about the style.=C2=A0 When I look at other extension=
s it seems like most wrap their extension in a class.=C2=A0 Is this require=
d? or is there a specific reason for doing this?=C2=A0 The example &#39;Hel=
lo World&#39; extension doesn&#39;t seem to do it so I&#39;m not sure.<br>

<br></div>Anyway, thanks again and feel free to take it up for a spin.=C2=
=A0 I&#39;m going to do a little bit more testing before submitting it to t=
he extensions site.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Giovanni Campagna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:scampa.giovanni@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">scampa.giovann=
i@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<p dir=3D"ltr">The object will see a g_object_unref right after the signal,=
 that&#39;s why you can&#39;t do most calls on it.</p><div class=3D"HOEnZb"=
><div class=3D"h5">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On May 13, 2014 1:13 AM, &quot;Diego Fernandez&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">aig=
uo.fernandez@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">


<div dir=3D"ltr">Ok.. it seems easier to just connect to all windows and ke=
ep track of those (since in my opinion the window should still stay in the =
same workspace even if it gets moved while in a single monitor setup).=C2=
=A0 Do I have to explicitly disconnect from the window after it gets the &#=
39;unmanaged&#39; signal, or will the object get deleted?<br>




</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
 May 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Giovanni Campagna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:scampa.giovanni@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">scampa.giovanni@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>




<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2014-05-12 23:00 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">aiguo.fer=
nandez@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>





<div>&gt; Hmm, so I&#39;d have to listen for the &#39;unmanaged&#39; signal=
 for every single<br>
&gt; window and keep track of that? seems like it&#39;ll add a bit of compl=
exity but<br>
&gt; I guess I can manage.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For the &#39;window-added&#39; and &#39;window-removed&#39; signals in=
 MetaWorkspace, do<br>
&gt; those behave like &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-entere=
d-monitor&#39; in<br>
&gt; MetaScreen? i.e. if a window leaves one workspace and goes to another =
will<br>
&gt; that be a &#39;window-removed&#39; and a &#39;window-added&#39; event?=
<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, but you also need to keep the list of workspaces as they&#39;re =
added<br>
and removed.<br>
You can check the code in js/ui/workspace.js or<br>
js/ui/workspaceThumbnails.js that deals with window-added/removed on a<br>
single workspace, and js/ui/workspacesView.js for keeping the<br>
workspace list up to date.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Giovanni<br>
</font></span><div><div><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scampa.giovanni@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sca=
mpa.giovanni@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2014-05-12 22:42 GMT+02:00 Diego Fernandez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
iguo.fernandez@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">aiguo.fernandez@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hey all, I&#39;m currently messing around with making my firs=
t extension<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://github.com/aiguofer/return-to-monitor</a>. =C2=A0The=
 idea is to be able<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; return windows to their original monitor if you plug a monito=
r back in.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Right now I have the extension mostly working. =C2=A0I keep t=
rack of all open<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; windows and update the list only when more than one montior e=
xists and<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; on<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; any &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; and &#39;window-created&#39=
; events.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; The problem I&#39;m having is the case when a saved window ge=
ts closed while<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; in<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; a single monitor setup. =C2=A0If that happens, shell breaks w=
hen I try to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; return<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; the windows after plugging a monitor back in. =C2=A0I need to=
 be able to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; listen<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; for any window-close event to remove the window from the list=
... is<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; there an<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; easy way of doing this?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I noticed that &#39;window-left-monitor&#39; catches windows =
closing, but it<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; seems<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; hard to check what caused the signal.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; You can use the &#39;unmanaged&#39; signal on the window, if you&#=
39;re careful<br>
&gt;&gt; and not call anything at that point - only the identity of the obj=
ect<br>
&gt;&gt; is valid.<br>
&gt;&gt; Alternatively, MetaWorkspace has window-added and window-removed s=
ignals.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Giovanni<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Diego Fernandez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Diego Ferna=
ndez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
</div>
</blockquote></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Diego Ferna=
ndez - =E7=88=B1=E5=9B=BD
</div>

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Hi all:

I'm using gnome shell since version 3.2. I also have a logitech mouse 
with zillions of buttons, and I have the problem that I hate to have the 
third button in the mouse wheel, so I've been using xmodmap in a startup 
script to put it in another button. The specific script is:

#!/bin/bash

xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 13 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2"

Until gnome shell 3.6 it worked like a charm, but starting with gnome 
shell 3.8 it started to fail in some boots, but in others it worked 
fine. Now, with gnome shell 3.10 it doesn't work at startup, and I must 
run it manually.

I checked the output of the script during launch (redirecting both 
stdout and stderr to a file) and the script runs fine (no errors), but 
the mouse buttons aren't changed. I also tried to remove it from the 
startup programs just in case the X server remembered the new button 
order, and each time I boot the script was changing it to the standard 
order, but no: the X server resets each time I reboot the computer.

I also tried to add a sleep in the script, just in case the problem was 
only if it was launched before gnome shell fully loaded, but also 
without luck.

So... what can I do?

Thanks.

-- 
Nos leemos
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Around about 15/05/14 16:43, rastersoft scribbled ...
> I'm using gnome shell since version 3.2. I also have a logitech mouse
> with zillions of buttons, and I have the problem that I hate to have th=
e
> third button in the mouse wheel, so I've been using xmodmap in a startu=
p
> script to put it in another button. The specific script is:
>
> #!/bin/bash
> xmodmap -e "pointer =3D 1 13 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2"

   I have a Logitech Performance MX on which I like to swap the middle=20
button for the thumb one.  I used to use a judiciously placed xmodmap=20
like yours into X11's startup (and also, previously, xorg.conf) but=20
these methods have started failing over time with newer and newer=20
X11/gdm/GNOME setups.

   I currently have (Fedora 20/GNOME 3.10):

</usr/local/bin/swap-mouse-buttons>
#!/bin/bash

xinput list | sed -ne 's/^.*Logitech Unifying=20
Device.*id=3D\([0-9]*\).*pointer.*/\1/p' | while read id
do
	map=3D$(xinput get-button-map $id | sed -e 's/ 2 / TWO /g' -e 's/ 8 / 2 =

/g' -e 's/ TWO / 8 /')
	xinput set-button-map $id  $map
done


   And:

<~/.config/autostart/swap-mouse-buttons.desktop>
[Desktop Entry]
Type=3DApplication
Exec=3D/usr/local/bin/swap-mouse-buttons
Hidden=3Dfalse
X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=3Dtrue
Name=3DSwap mouse buttons
Comment=3DSwap middle and thumb mouse buttons



   You'll need to ID your mouse device from the =E2=80=9Cxinput list=E2=80=
=9D output,=20
and adjust the script accordingly (plus change the 8s to 13s for your cas=
e).

   This will work for a given user (it's not global) and will need to be =

triggered again (run the swap command from <Alt-F2>=C2=B9) if you unplug =
or=20
otherwise reset USB during a login.  I've yet to add anything that=20
catches USB insertions and does it automatically as it's too rare to=20
bother with.


=C2=B9 - You could also copy/link the desktop file to=20
~/.local/share/applications/ so that it shows up in the gnome-shell=20
applications overview instead.

--=20
[phoenix@fnx ~]# rm -f .signature
[phoenix@fnx ~]# ls -l .signature
ls: .signature: No such file or directory
[phoenix@fnx ~]# exit

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Hi:

Yes, mine is a Performance MX too, and I also swap to the thumb one... :)

Thanks for your trick, I'll try it now.

On 15/05/14 18:56, Neil Bird wrote:
> Around about 15/05/14 16:43, rastersoft scribbled ...
>> I'm using gnome shell since version 3.2. I also have a logitech mouse
>> with zillions of buttons, and I have the problem that I hate to have the
>> third button in the mouse wheel, so I've been using xmodmap in a startup
>> script to put it in another button. The specific script is:
>>
>> #!/bin/bash
>> xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 13 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 2"
>
>   I have a Logitech Performance MX on which I like to swap the middle 
> button for the thumb one.  I used to use a judiciously placed xmodmap 
> like yours into X11's startup (and also, previously, xorg.conf) but 
> these methods have started failing over time with newer and newer 
> X11/gdm/GNOME setups.
>
>   I currently have (Fedora 20/GNOME 3.10):
>
> </usr/local/bin/swap-mouse-buttons>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> xinput list | sed -ne 's/^.*Logitech Unifying 
> Device.*id=\([0-9]*\).*pointer.*/\1/p' | while read id
> do
>     map=$(xinput get-button-map $id | sed -e 's/ 2 / TWO /g' -e 's/ 8 
> / 2 /g' -e 's/ TWO / 8 /')
>     xinput set-button-map $id  $map
> done
>
>
>   And:
>
> <~/.config/autostart/swap-mouse-buttons.desktop>
> [Desktop Entry]
> Type=Application
> Exec=/usr/local/bin/swap-mouse-buttons
> Hidden=false
> X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=true
> Name=Swap mouse buttons
> Comment=Swap middle and thumb mouse buttons
>
>
>
>   You'll need to ID your mouse device from the “xinput list” output, 
> and adjust the script accordingly (plus change the 8s to 13s for your 
> case).
>
>   This will work for a given user (it's not global) and will need to 
> be triggered again (run the swap command from <Alt-F2>¹) if you unplug 
> or otherwise reset USB during a login.  I've yet to add anything that 
> catches USB insertions and does it automatically as it's too rare to 
> bother with.
>
>
> ¹ - You could also copy/link the desktop file to 
> ~/.local/share/applications/ so that it shows up in the gnome-shell 
> applications overview instead.
>

-- 
Nos leemos
		         RASTER    (Linux user #228804)
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Around about 15/05/14 19:32, rastersoft scribbled ...
> Yes, mine is a Performance MX too, and I also swap to the thumb one... =
:)
> Thanks for your trick, I'll try it now.

   Ah, as it happens, I was actually referring to the =E2=80=9Cback=E2=80=
=9D button on=20
the side, that's the thumb one in my head :-)

   I use the bottom =E2=80=9Cthumb=E2=80=9D button (=E2=80=9Capps/windows=
=E2=80=9D icon) for the=20
gnome-shell overview (as well as the Windows key or <Alt-F1>).

   I have:

<~/.xbindkeysrc>
# GNOME Shell overview
"xdotool key 'Super+F1'"
release + b:10

# Raise-lower - DOS key
"xdotool key 0x1008FF5A"
b:8


=2E. running xbindkey at startup (another .desktop file in autostart).

   Then dconf has the setting:
[org/gnome/desktop/wm/keybindings]
raise-or-lower=3D['DOS']

   .. so I have the bottom thumb button for overview [toggle] and the=20
wheel-click button becomes raise-lower (b:8 a that's what I swapped with =

b:2).  Just for example.

   I picked =E2=80=9CDOS=E2=80=9D as a raw unused key, since I was having=
 issues with=20
raise-lower defined against a modified-key (say <Alt-Ctrl-L>) and=20
xbindkey+gnome-shell.  It often seemed to give out odd control sequences =

to the current window upon first trigger instead of being picked up as a =

key mapping.  Dunno why.  Other meta mappings work, like the overview one=
=2E

--=20
[phoenix@fnx ~]# rm -f .signature
[phoenix@fnx ~]# ls -l .signature
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Hello,

I am writing some app using SDL/OpenGL and at start I load some 
resources. Since it is quite intensive process, Gnome pops message 
saying that my app is not responding (force quit/wait). What triggers 
this dialog? After ~3 seconds all resources are loaded and app is 
running as intended.

Thanks
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After focusing a window or the user clicks the close button, we send out a
ping. If in 5 seconds we don't hear back from the window, we show the kill
dialog.

We should probably rework the system so that after the app responds to the
ping, we hide the dialog.


On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Miroslav Puda <pakanek@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am writing some app using SDL/OpenGL and at start I load some resources.
> Since it is quite intensive process, Gnome pops message saying that my app
> is not responding (force quit/wait). What triggers this dialog? After ~3
> seconds all resources are loaded and app is running as intended.
>
> Thanks
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>After focusing a window or the user clicks the close =
button, we send out a ping. If in 5 seconds we don&#39;t hear back from the=
 window, we show the kill dialog.<br><br></div>We should probably rework th=
e system so that after the app responds to the ping, we hide the dialog.<br=
>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue,=
 May 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Miroslav Puda <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
I am writing some app using SDL/OpenGL and at start I load some resources. =
Since it is quite intensive process, Gnome pops message saying that my app =
is not responding (force quit/wait). What triggers this dialog? After ~3 se=
conds all resources are loaded and app is running as intended.<br>

<br>
Thanks<br>
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On mar, 2014-05-20 at 11:07 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
> After focusing a window or the user clicks the close button, we send
> out a ping. If in 5 seconds we don't hear back from the window, we
> show the kill dialog.

Which basically means your app needs to respond to system events in a
timely manner. As an example, in pygame this could be done by calling
pygame.event.pump() at regular intervals in your loading routine
(http://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/event.html#pygame.event.pump). This
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Pygame is based upon SDL, so I expect you'll have similar functions
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On 20.5.2014 17:30, Sam Bull wrote:
> On mar, 2014-05-20 at 11:07 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
>> After focusing a window or the user clicks the close button, we send
>> out a ping. If in 5 seconds we don't hear back from the window, we
>> show the kill dialog.
> Which basically means your app needs to respond to system events in a
> timely manner. As an example, in pygame this could be done by calling
> pygame.event.pump() at regular intervals in your loading routine
> (http://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/event.html#pygame.event.pump). This
> allows you to ignore the events, and just let pygame process them
> internally.
>
> Pygame is based upon SDL, so I expect you'll have similar functions
> available.

SDL_PumpEvents function works fine, thanks for help.
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Hello,

I am trying to fix the gs-ext-applications-overview-tooltip extension, disp=
laying tooltips under the icons in the application-overview. Theoriginal ex=
tension (https://github.com/fbianconi/gs-ext-applications-overview-tooltip)=
 stopped working after gnome 3.8 and i try to fix it for gnome >=3D 3.10. S=
o far I was able to fix the extensiopn and add some enhancements, but I hav=
e one Issue. The extension does not work, until i visit the overview and th=
en re-enable the extension again.

The cause of this is, that in the enable() function of the extension I try =
to get list all of the app-icons from the overview menu calling:

let appIcons =3D Main.overview.viewSelector.appDisplay._views[1].view._item=
s;

The output of:

global.log("appIcons after enable",Object.getOwnPropertyNames(appIcons));

in the enable function shows nothing after the login or gnome.shell restart=
, After I go to the overview and THEN re-enable the extension, I got the ex=
pected result (list of keys =3D appIcons). If I do this in the looking-glas=
s console, it works allright even after the restart of gnome-shell.

Could please someone help me with the issue ?

Greetings,

Karel

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Hi,

Google Chrome just got upgraded to the first stable version on Linux
with Aura and the new notifications (which includes Google Now). I have
already found out that Aura itself works well, but what about the
notifications? Does anyone know if they work in Gnome-Shell? Otherwise,
take a look here:

http://www.webupd8.org/2014/05/google-chrome-stable-35-for-linux.html

-- 
//Christian



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The issue was fixed in the newest version on my github-repo https://github.=
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---- Ein Mi, 21 Mai 2014 16:38:07 +0200 Karel M=C3=A1cha<karel.macha@karlit=
os.net> hat geschrieben ----=20

 > Hello,
 >=20
 > I am trying to fix the gs-ext-applications-overview-tooltip extension, d=
isplaying tooltips under the icons in the application-overview. Theoriginal=
 extension (https://github.com/fbianconi/gs-ext-applications-overview-toolt=
ip) stopped working after gnome 3.8 and i try to fix it for gnome >=3D 3.10=
. So far I was able to fix the extensiopn and add some enhancements, but I =
have one Issue. The extension does not work, until i visit the overview and=
 then re-enable the extension again.
 >=20
 > The cause of this is, that in the enable() function of the extension I t=
ry to get list all of the app-icons from the overview menu calling:
 >=20
 > let appIcons =3D Main.overview.viewSelector.appDisplay._views[1].view._i=
tems;
 >=20
 > The output of:
 >=20
 > global.log("appIcons after enable",Object.getOwnPropertyNames(appIcons))=
;
 >=20
 > in the enable function shows nothing after the login or gnome.shell rest=
art, After I go to the overview and THEN re-enable the extension, I got the=
 expected result (list of keys =3D appIcons). If I do this in the looking-g=
lass console, it works allright even after the restart of gnome-shell.
 >=20
 > Could please someone help me with the issue ?
 >=20
 > Greetings,
 >=20
 > Karel
 >=20
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Hi,

There are a lot of extensions waiting for review since some weeks ago. 
I suppose this is done by volunteers and time is priceless, but there 
is cool stuff waiting to improve the shell.

Regards,

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Hi,<div><br></div><div>There are a lot of extensions waiting for review since some weeks ago. I suppose this is done by volunteers and time is priceless, but there is cool stuff waiting to improve the shell.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Albert</div><div><br></div>
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On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Albert <optimisme@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> There are a lot of extensions waiting for review since some weeks ago. I
> suppose this is done by volunteers and time is priceless, but there is cool
> stuff waiting to improve the shell.
>

Unfortunately, Jasper doesn't have time to look at them and is
stepping back from the responsibilites of maintaiing the website.  We
will need to find a group of people who can do the code reviews.  Is
there some way that we can address this, folks?

sri

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> Unfortunately, Jasper doesn't have time to look at them and is
> stepping back from the responsibilites of maintaiing the website.  We
> will need to find a group of people who can do the code reviews.  Is
> there some way that we can address this, folks?

I can't spare much time, but if others are willing to do the same, I'm
willing to set aside perhaps 1 hour a week to review extensions.

If a few other people are willing to do this, I'm sure we can get on top
of this, and get the average review rate from a couple of months to no
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On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Sam Bull <sam.hacking@sent.com> wrote:
> On ven, 2014-05-23 at 14:08 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>> Unfortunately, Jasper doesn't have time to look at them and is
>> stepping back from the responsibilites of maintaiing the website.  We
>> will need to find a group of people who can do the code reviews.  Is
>> there some way that we can address this, folks?
>
> I can't spare much time, but if others are willing to do the same, I'm
> willing to set aside perhaps 1 hour a week to review extensions.
>
> If a few other people are willing to do this, I'm sure we can get on top
> of this, and get the average review rate from a couple of months to no
> more than a couple of days.

Since the reviews are the first defense of anything malicious, we will
need to approve the body of people with a vote from the gnome-shell
maintainers and/or long time submitters.

sri
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On ven, 2014-05-23 at 14:48 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> Since the reviews are the first defense of anything malicious, we will
> need to approve the body of people with a vote from the gnome-shell
> maintainers and/or long time submitters.

Of course. I've submitted 3 extensions (one still relevant and
maintained). I won't be at GUADEC this year, but a few GNOME developers
have met me at the last GUADEC, including Stef Walter who mentored me
for GSoC last year.

I'm happy to discuss anything else necessary. This would be a good
chance for me to contribute something to GNOME more consistently. My
previous contributions have been quite sparse.

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Hi,

Jasper, what we should look at extensions to allow them in?
If it is only to see if something is malicious and the connect, disconnect
signals, maybe I can spare some time.

I'm not that interested in extensions tbh, so I would willing to review
currents ones to give feedback
to that users that were not aware of Jasper not having time anymore. But I
would put a warning in the
website from now on, telling that we will no longer provide that service,
if it is our intention.

If our intention is to keep that service, I will put a warning anyway,
telling that developers
are needed to continue providing the service, requiring some background on
upstream, like
some patches or so. Maybe we have an opportunity here to bring some
upstream developers too.



2014-05-24 0:28 GMT+02:00 Sam Bull <sam.hacking@sent.com>:

> On ven, 2014-05-23 at 14:48 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> > Since the reviews are the first defense of anything malicious, we will
> > need to approve the body of people with a vote from the gnome-shell
> > maintainers and/or long time submitters.
>
> Of course. I've submitted 3 extensions (one still relevant and
> maintained). I won't be at GUADEC this year, but a few GNOME developers
> have met me at the last GUADEC, including Stef Walter who mentored me
> for GSoC last year.
>
> I'm happy to discuss anything else necessary. This would be a good
> chance for me to contribute something to GNOME more consistently. My
> previous contributions have been quite sparse.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Jasper, what we shoul=
d look at extensions to allow them in?<br></div>If it is only to see if som=
ething is malicious and the connect, disconnect signals, maybe I can spare =
some time.<br>
<br></div>I&#39;m not that interested in extensions tbh, so I would willing=
 to review currents ones to give feedback<br>to that users that were not aw=
are of Jasper not having time anymore. But I would put a warning in the<br>
</div><div>website from now on, telling that we will no longer provide that=
 service, if it is our intention.<br><br></div><div>If our intention is to =
keep that service, I will put a warning anyway, telling that developers<br>
are needed to continue providing the service, requiring some background on =
upstream, like <br>some patches or so. Maybe we have an opportunity here to=
 bring some upstream developers too.<br></div><div><br></div></div><div cla=
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-05-24 0:28 GMT+02:00 Sam Bull <span=
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<div class=3D"">On ven, 2014-05-23 at 14:48 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:=
<br>
&gt; Since the reviews are the first defense of anything malicious, we will=
<br>
&gt; need to approve the body of people with a vote from the gnome-shell<br=
>
&gt; maintainers and/or long time submitters.<br>
<br>
</div>Of course. I&#39;ve submitted 3 extensions (one still relevant and<br=
>
maintained). I won&#39;t be at GUADEC this year, but a few GNOME developers=
<br>
have met me at the last GUADEC, including Stef Walter who mentored me<br>
for GSoC last year.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m happy to discuss anything else necessary. This would be a good<br>
chance for me to contribute something to GNOME more consistently. My<br>
previous contributions have been quite sparse.<br>
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hi, all

I am interested in tasks related to Shell extensions. I have not been able
to write an extension so far but I've written a blog post about it [1]. How
can I help?

[1] sindhus.bitbucket.org/writing-shell-extensions-in-gnome.html

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<div dir=3D"ltr">hi, all<br><br>I am interested in tasks related to Shell e=
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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
<carlos.soriano89@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi,

> Jasper, what we should look at extensions to allow them in?
> If it is only to see if something is malicious and the connect, disconnec=
t
> signals, maybe I can spare some time.

Yeah and maybe a quick scan for obvious mistakes.

> I'm not that interested in extensions tbh, so I would willing to review
> currents ones to give feedback
> to that users that were not aware of Jasper not having time anymore. But =
I
> would put a warning in the
> website from now on, telling that we will no longer provide that service,=
 if
> it is our intention.

The thing is that we have way more submitters then reviewers (Jasper
is not the only reviewer btw.)
I think "recruiting" people from the pool of extension authors is the
best way forward.

Do you have admin / review access ? If not just tell me whats your
username is and I will grant you that.

As for why I do not do many reviews ... simply lack of time.
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What might be interesting is to have a liaison who can help track changes
in shell that needs to be communicated to extension authors so that there
is less breakage every release.  Maybe like a release porting guide that we
can make as part of the shell release?

This could also help you figure out more on the shell internals.  What do
you think?
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>
> I am interested in tasks related to Shell extensions. I have not been able
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> can I help?
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Drago,
Ok. No, I don't have rights, my username is csoriano.
Didn't know there were more extensions reviewers. I will help to the
current queue so people not aware of the current situation will not be
angry, but I think it would help to have a warning dialog or something in
https://extensions.gnome.org/ that current review time is long and that we
need developers to review extensions to maintain the service in a good way.
Also I would do some guidelines for the recruitment of the help, maybe
requiring some upstream patches or extensions?. What do you think?
Also, don't we have the webpage code somewhere to do patches, do we?

Sriram,
Still, that's more work for developers, who already seems to be working on
something else more important upstream. At the end, what we need is someone
to go trough commits and make a list of important changes before a release.
Not sure who be willing to do so, although Drago did it last release, I
don't know how time consuming was to do it.


2014-05-24 17:44 GMT+02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna <sri@ramkrishna.me>:

> What might be interesting is to have a liaison who can help track changes
> in shell that needs to be communicated to extension authors so that there
> is less breakage every release.  Maybe like a release porting guide that we
> can make as part of the shell release?
>
> This could also help you figure out more on the shell internals.  What do
> you think?
> On May 24, 2014 3:55 AM, "Sindhu S" <sindhus@live.in> wrote:
>
>> hi, all
>>
>> I am interested in tasks related to Shell extensions. I have not been
>> able to write an extension so far but I've written a blog post about it
>> [1]. How can I help?
>>
>> [1] sindhus.bitbucket.org/writing-shell-extensions-in-gnome.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Drago,<br></div>Ok. No, I don&#39;t have ri=
ghts, my username is csoriano.<br>Didn&#39;t know there were more extension=
s reviewers. I will help to the current queue so people not aware of the cu=
rrent situation will not be angry, but I think it would help to have a warn=
ing dialog or something in <a href=3D"https://extensions.gnome.org/">https:=
//extensions.gnome.org/</a> that current review time is long and that we ne=
ed developers to review extensions to maintain the service in a good way. A=
lso I would do some guidelines for the recruitment of the help, maybe requi=
ring some upstream patches or extensions?. What do you think?<br>
Also, don&#39;t we have the webpage code somewhere to do patches, do we?<br=
><br></div>Sriram,<br></div>Still, that&#39;s more work for developers, who=
 already seems to be working on something else more important upstream. At =
the end, what we need is someone to go trough commits and make a list of im=
portant changes before a release. Not sure who be willing to do so, althoug=
h Drago did it last release, I don&#39;t know how time consuming was to do =
it.<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-05=
-24 17:44 GMT+02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
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<p dir=3D"ltr">What might be interesting is to have a liaison who can help =
track changes in shell that needs to be communicated to extension authors s=
o that there is less breakage every release.=C2=A0 Maybe like a release por=
ting guide that we can make as part of the shell release?</p>


<p dir=3D"ltr">This could also help you figure out more on the shell intern=
als.=C2=A0 What do you think?</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On May 24, 2014 3:55 AM, =
&quot;Sindhu S&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sindhus@live.in" target=3D"_blan=
k">sindhus@live.in</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"></div></div><bloc=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">hi, all<br><br>I am interested in tasks related to Shell e=
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://sindhus.bitbucket.org/writing-shell-extensions-in-gnome.html" target=3D"=
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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
<carlos.soriano89@gmail.com> wrote:
> Drago,
> Ok. No, I don't have rights, my username is csoriano.

OK, you should have reviewing and admin powers now.

> Didn't know there were more extensions reviewers. I will help to the curr=
ent
> queue so people not aware of the current situation will not be angry, but=
 I
> think it would help to have a warning dialog or something in
> https://extensions.gnome.org/ that current review time is long and that w=
e
> need developers to review extensions to maintain the service in a good wa=
y.
> Also I would do some guidelines for the recruitment of the help, maybe
> requiring some upstream patches or extensions?. What do you think?
> Also, don't we have the webpage code somewhere to do patches, do we?

Sure we have https://git.gnome.org/browse/extensions-web/
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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
<carlos.soriano89@gmail.com> wrote:
> Drago,
> Ok. No, I don't have rights, my username is csoriano.
> Didn't know there were more extensions reviewers. I will help to the curr=
ent
> queue so people not aware of the current situation will not be angry, but=
 I
> think it would help to have a warning dialog or something in
> https://extensions.gnome.org/ that current review time is long and that w=
e
> need developers to review extensions to maintain the service in a good wa=
y.
> Also I would do some guidelines for the recruitment of the help, maybe
> requiring some upstream patches or extensions?. What do you think?
> Also, don't we have the webpage code somewhere to do patches, do we?
>
> Sriram,
> Still, that's more work for developers, who already seems to be working o=
n
> something else more important upstream. At the end, what we need is someo=
ne
> to go trough commits and make a list of important changes before a releas=
e.
> Not sure who be willing to do so, although Drago did it last release, I
> don't know how time consuming was to do it.
>

My request was more directed at Sindhu and not one of the core
developers.  What would happen is that towards the end of the release,
she can speak with shell folks and get an idea what might have changed
that would affect extensions.  Eventually, I am hoping that would not
be required and instead would know directly from git.  So it's a path
to learning how shell works and how extensions work.  At that point,
she would be able to write her own extensions.  The task is open to
anybody else that might be interested as well.  I'm interested in
seeing a smooth transition each release.

Now that I think about it, another way to find out is to use GNOME
continuous and find out which extensions break and map it backwards.
It doesn't do full coverage but can document immediate breakage.  I
would love to see this automated on a web page so that we know what is
broken.  I will start a new thread for that, no need to clutter this
one with that.

sri

>
> 2014-05-24 17:44 GMT+02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna <sri@ramkrishna.me>:
>
>> What might be interesting is to have a liaison who can help track change=
s
>> in shell that needs to be communicated to extension authors so that ther=
e is
>> less breakage every release.  Maybe like a release porting guide that we=
 can
>> make as part of the shell release?
>>
>> This could also help you figure out more on the shell internals.  What d=
o
>> you think?
>>
>> On May 24, 2014 3:55 AM, "Sindhu S" <sindhus@live.in> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi, all
>>>
>>> I am interested in tasks related to Shell extensions. I have not been
>>> able to write an extension so far but I've written a blog post about it=
 [1].
>>> How can I help?
>>>
>>> [1] sindhus.bitbucket.org/writing-shell-extensions-in-gnome.html
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> gnome-shell-list mailing list
>>> gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
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>
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How can we get automatic testing with gnome-continuous?  I'm looking
for a methodology that would download an extension, install it, and
then test for errors and then post a status.  This doesn't seem that
hard at first glance, but I'm not sure how to integrate it with
gnome-continuous?

This seems like a nice project for a prospective OPW or GSOC student. :)

sri
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Hi,

Is there any shortcut or any command that I can use to create my
custom one to toggle notifications?

I used to use boss mode [1], but it misses support for gnome shell 3.10+.

I find this very useful at work. Sometimes someone is next to me and I
receive a private message (from my wife for example) and I want to be
able to "hide it" ASAP.

[1] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/410/boss-mode/

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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
<carlos.soriano89@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sriram,
> Still, that's more work for developers, who already seems to be working o=
n
> something else more important upstream. At the end, what we need is someo=
ne
> to go trough commits and make a list of important changes before a releas=
e.
> Not sure who be willing to do so, although Drago did it last release, I
> don't know how time consuming was to do it.

Is this actually something that can be achieved for all extension
developers? The way it can hack into the code surely means that any
change could break an extension.

For example, my extension, when updating to a new version, I've had most
of the shell overlay change out from under me, and it took me days or
weeks to hack back in to the new code to get my extension running.
	Another time, my extension only broke due to a single attribute in the
shell being renamed to not have a preceding '_'.

I've also had to copy and paste several full functions from the shell
code so that I can change a line or add a couple of other lines, so if
any of these functions change, I need to copy the new version.

Maybe this is not the type of extension that is targeted by this effort,
would these changes likely help other extension developers?

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On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Sam Bull <sam.hacking@sent.com> wrote:
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
> <carlos.soriano89@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sriram,
>> Still, that's more work for developers, who already seems to be working =
on
>> something else more important upstream. At the end, what we need is some=
one
>> to go trough commits and make a list of important changes before a relea=
se.
>> Not sure who be willing to do so, although Drago did it last release, I
>> don't know how time consuming was to do it.
>
> Is this actually something that can be achieved for all extension
> developers? The way it can hack into the code surely means that any
> change could break an extension.
>
> For example, my extension, when updating to a new version, I've had most
> of the shell overlay change out from under me, and it took me days or
> weeks to hack back in to the new code to get my extension running.
>         Another time, my extension only broke due to a single attribute i=
n the
> shell being renamed to not have a preceding '_'.

It would be great to see shell interfaces stabilize, but I'm not sure
if it will or not.  As long as we continue to evolve the shell, I
expect some breakages.  Doing the exercise at least we know if the
breakages are going up or down.  If we have a downward trend then that
would be awesome to know. :)

>
> Maybe this is not the type of extension that is targeted by this effort,
> would these changes likely help other extension developers?

Well, I think it will, certainly if you know things like an attribute
changing that would be good to know, right?

sri
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Hi,

With the mission of make review of extension simpler, I wrote some
guidelines to accept or not an extension.
My intention is also to allow less on extensions, going forward to more
security and privacy, making the review work simpler and the extension
ecosystem less messed.
If we can agree on something like that, we will do this work more simple,
so more community people can get in.
Please give me feedback on that. It's just a draft to do the first step
forward on that. So we can add, remove or modify those.
https://wiki.gnome.org/CarlosSoriano/ExtensionsGuidelines

Thanks!


2014-05-25 19:24 GMT+02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna <sri@ramkrishna.me>:

> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Sam Bull <sam.hacking@sent.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
> > <carlos.soriano89@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Sriram,
> >> Still, that's more work for developers, who already seems to be workin=
g
> on
> >> something else more important upstream. At the end, what we need is
> someone
> >> to go trough commits and make a list of important changes before a
> release.
> >> Not sure who be willing to do so, although Drago did it last release, =
I
> >> don't know how time consuming was to do it.
> >
> > Is this actually something that can be achieved for all extension
> > developers? The way it can hack into the code surely means that any
> > change could break an extension.
> >
> > For example, my extension, when updating to a new version, I've had mos=
t
> > of the shell overlay change out from under me, and it took me days or
> > weeks to hack back in to the new code to get my extension running.
> >         Another time, my extension only broke due to a single attribute
> in the
> > shell being renamed to not have a preceding '_'.
>
> It would be great to see shell interfaces stabilize, but I'm not sure
> if it will or not.  As long as we continue to evolve the shell, I
> expect some breakages.  Doing the exercise at least we know if the
> breakages are going up or down.  If we have a downward trend then that
> would be awesome to know. :)
>
> >
> > Maybe this is not the type of extension that is targeted by this effort=
,
> > would these changes likely help other extension developers?
>
> Well, I think it will, certainly if you know things like an attribute
> changing that would be good to know, right?
>
> sri
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,<br><br></div><div>With the mission of make review=
 of extension simpler, I wrote some guidelines to accept or not an extensio=
n.<br>My intention is also to allow less on extensions, going forward to mo=
re security and privacy, making the review work simpler and the extension e=
cosystem less messed.<br>
</div><div>If we can agree on something like that, we will do this work mor=
e simple, so more community people can get in.<br></div><div>Please give me=
 feedback on that. It&#39;s just a draft to do the first step forward on th=
at. So we can add, remove or modify those.<br>
<a href=3D"https://wiki.gnome.org/CarlosSoriano/ExtensionsGuidelines">https=
://wiki.gnome.org/CarlosSoriano/ExtensionsGuidelines</a><br><br></div><div>=
Thanks!<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">
2014-05-25 19:24 GMT+02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sri@ramkrishna.me" target=3D"_blank">sri@ramkrishna.me</a>&gt;</=
span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"">On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Sam Bull &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:sam.hacking@sent.com">sam.hacking@sent.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:carlos.soriano89@gmail.com">carlos.soriano89@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Sriram,<br>
&gt;&gt; Still, that&#39;s more work for developers, who already seems to b=
e working on<br>
&gt;&gt; something else more important upstream. At the end, what we need i=
s someone<br>
&gt;&gt; to go trough commits and make a list of important changes before a=
 release.<br>
&gt;&gt; Not sure who be willing to do so, although Drago did it last relea=
se, I<br>
&gt;&gt; don&#39;t know how time consuming was to do it.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Is this actually something that can be achieved for all extension<br>
&gt; developers? The way it can hack into the code surely means that any<br=
>
&gt; change could break an extension.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For example, my extension, when updating to a new version, I&#39;ve ha=
d most<br>
&gt; of the shell overlay change out from under me, and it took me days or<=
br>
&gt; weeks to hack back in to the new code to get my extension running.<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Another time, my extension only broke due =
to a single attribute in the<br>
&gt; shell being renamed to not have a preceding &#39;_&#39;.<br>
<br>
</div>It would be great to see shell interfaces stabilize, but I&#39;m not =
sure<br>
if it will or not. =C2=A0As long as we continue to evolve the shell, I<br>
expect some breakages. =C2=A0Doing the exercise at least we know if the<br>
breakages are going up or down. =C2=A0If we have a downward trend then that=
<br>
would be awesome to know. :)<br>
<div class=3D""><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Maybe this is not the type of extension that is targeted by this effor=
t,<br>
&gt; would these changes likely help other extension developers?<br>
<br>
</div>Well, I think it will, certainly if you know things like an attribute=
<br>
changing that would be good to know, right?<br>
<br>
sri<br>
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On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
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> Hi,
>
> With the mission of make review of extension simpler, I wrote some
> guidelines to accept or not an extension.
> My intention is also to allow less on extensions, going forward to more
> security and privacy, making the review work simpler and the extension
> ecosystem less messed.
> If we can agree on something like that, we will do this work more simple,=
 so
> more community people can get in.
> Please give me feedback on that. It's just a draft to do the first step
> forward on that. So we can add, remove or modify those.
> https://wiki.gnome.org/CarlosSoriano/ExtensionsGuidelines
>
> Thanks!

1) GTK: You can't really use GTK inside an extension other then for
extension preferences (which is a valid case)
2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail
while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don't approve
it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded
let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he
does not respond transfer ownership).
3) Should probably add that sync I/O should be avoided because it
blocks the whole compositor process.
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Drago,

What I'm trying to avoid is basically:
https://extensions.gnome.org/review/3806
I don't think we want a lot of Main.Util.trySpawnCommandLine and more if
you want to do is try to spawn gtk applications or so.

What do you think?


2014-05-25 21:57 GMT+02:00 drago01 <drago01@gmail.com>:

> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
> <carlos.soriano89@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > With the mission of make review of extension simpler, I wrote some
> > guidelines to accept or not an extension.
> > My intention is also to allow less on extensions, going forward to more
> > security and privacy, making the review work simpler and the extension
> > ecosystem less messed.
> > If we can agree on something like that, we will do this work more
> simple, so
> > more community people can get in.
> > Please give me feedback on that. It's just a draft to do the first step
> > forward on that. So we can add, remove or modify those.
> > https://wiki.gnome.org/CarlosSoriano/ExtensionsGuidelines
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> 1) GTK: You can't really use GTK inside an extension other then for
> extension preferences (which is a valid case)
> 2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail
> while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don't approve
> it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded
> let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he
> does not respond transfer ownership).
> 3) Should probably add that sync I/O should be avoided because it
> blocks the whole compositor process.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Drago,<br><br></div>What I&#39;m trying to =
avoid is basically: <a href=3D"https://extensions.gnome.org/review/3806">ht=
tps://extensions.gnome.org/review/3806</a><br></div>I don&#39;t think we wa=
nt a lot of <span class=3D"">Main</span><span class=3D"">.</span><span clas=
s=3D"">Util</span><span class=3D"">.</span><span class=3D"">trySpawnCommand=
Line and more if you want to do is try to spawn gtk applications or so.<br>
<br></span></div><span class=3D"">What do you think?<br></span></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-05-25 21:57 GM=
T+02:00 drago01 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:drago01@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">drago01@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 9:52=
 PM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:carlos.soriano89@gmail.com">carlos.soriano89@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; With the mission of make review of extension simpler, I wrote some<br>
&gt; guidelines to accept or not an extension.<br>
&gt; My intention is also to allow less on extensions, going forward to mor=
e<br>
&gt; security and privacy, making the review work simpler and the extension=
<br>
&gt; ecosystem less messed.<br>
&gt; If we can agree on something like that, we will do this work more simp=
le, so<br>
&gt; more community people can get in.<br>
&gt; Please give me feedback on that. It&#39;s just a draft to do the first=
 step<br>
&gt; forward on that. So we can add, remove or modify those.<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://wiki.gnome.org/CarlosSoriano/ExtensionsGuidelines" =
target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.gnome.org/CarlosSoriano/ExtensionsGuidelines=
</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks!<br>
<br>
</div>1) GTK: You can&#39;t really use GTK inside an extension other then f=
or<br>
extension preferences (which is a valid case)<br>
2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail<br>
while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don&#39;t approve<=
br>
it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded<br>
let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he<br>
does not respond transfer ownership).<br>
3) Should probably add that sync I/O should be avoided because it<br>
blocks the whole compositor process.<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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> Drago,
>
> What I'm trying to avoid is basically:
> https://extensions.gnome.org/review/3806
> I don't think we want a lot of Main.Util.trySpawnCommandLine and more if =
you
> want to do is try to spawn gtk applications or so.

The problem there is less the trySpawnCommandLine part, but rather
that the "extension" actually contains a full-blown application and an
extension as the sole way to interact with it (rather than the usual
.desktop file in DATA_DIR/applications etc). I admit that this
particular code has been so mind-boggling that I couldn't get myself
to review it (and from the looks of it, neither did any of the other
reviewers) ...

Cheers,
Florian
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On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:57 PM, drago01 <drago01@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail
> while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don't approve
> it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded
> let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he
> does not respond transfer ownership).

That would eliminate a lot of the dock extensions, no?  We'll need to
let people who such extensions explain what is different about the way
they solve a dock as opposed to someone else.  (applicable to any
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This was more of a problem for the tens of "put ___ in the top bar!!"
extensions we used to get, and several extensions that let you change the
Activities text.

For more complex widgets like docks, bottom panels, I'm fine with
"duplicates" on the site.


On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna <sri@ramkrishna.me>wrote:

> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:57 PM, drago01 <drago01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail
> > while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don't approve
> > it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded
> > let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he
> > does not respond transfer ownership).
>
> That would eliminate a lot of the dock extensions, no?  We'll need to
> let people who such extensions explain what is different about the way
> they solve a dock as opposed to someone else.  (applicable to any
> other duplicate extension as well)
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This was more of a problem for the tens of &quot;put ___ i=
n the top bar!!&quot; extensions we used to get, and several extensions tha=
t let you change the Activities text.<br><br>For more complex widgets like =
docks, bottom panels, I&#39;m fine with &quot;duplicates&quot; on the site.=
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</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun,=
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<br>
&gt; 2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail<br>
&gt; while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don&#39;t app=
rove<br>
&gt; it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded<br=
>
&gt; let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he<=
br>
&gt; does not respond transfer ownership).<br>
<br>
</div>That would eliminate a lot of the dock extensions, no? =C2=A0We&#39;l=
l need to<br>
let people who such extensions explain what is different about the way<br>
they solve a dock as opposed to someone else. =C2=A0(applicable to any<br>
other duplicate extension as well)<br>
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Florian, Drago,
Even more, Gnome is moving to application containers, but we are allowing
those things in extensions?
Seems just against all the work and a hole of
security/privacy/what-I-think-application-does-or-permission-to-acces-my-things
on the user POV.
But I'm the new here... so maybe I'm wrong.
Florian, so are you still reviewing extensions? Maybe the situation was not
that bad then... from the emails I though "nobody" was reviewing currently.

Sriram,
Right, still imho we should encourage to work together if possible (like
seems it is currently working as drago advised).


2014-05-25 22:23 GMT+02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna <sri@ramkrishna.me>:

> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:57 PM, drago01 <drago01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail
> > while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don't approve
> > it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded
> > let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he
> > does not respond transfer ownership).
>
> That would eliminate a lot of the dock extensions, no?  We'll need to
> let people who such extensions explain what is different about the way
> they solve a dock as opposed to someone else.  (applicable to any
> other duplicate extension as well)
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Florian, Drago,<br>Even more, Gnome is=
 moving to application containers, but we are allowing those things in exte=
nsions?<br></div>Seems just against all the work and a hole of security/pri=
vacy/what-I-think-application-does-or-permission-to-acces-my-things on the =
user POV.<br>
</div>But I&#39;m the new here... so maybe I&#39;m wrong.<br></div><div>Flo=
rian, so are you still reviewing extensions? Maybe the situation was not th=
at bad then... from the emails I though &quot;nobody&quot; was reviewing cu=
rrently.<br>
</div><div><br></div>Sriram,<br></div>Right, still imho we should encourage=
 to work together if possible (like seems it is currently working as drago =
advised).<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">
2014-05-25 22:23 GMT+02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sri@ramkrishna.me" target=3D"_blank">sri@ramkrishna.me</a>&gt;</=
span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"">On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:57 PM, drago01 &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:drago01@gmail.com">drago01@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; 2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail<br>
&gt; while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don&#39;t app=
rove<br>
&gt; it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded<br=
>
&gt; let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he<=
br>
&gt; does not respond transfer ownership).<br>
<br>
</div>That would eliminate a lot of the dock extensions, no? =C2=A0We&#39;l=
l need to<br>
let people who such extensions explain what is different about the way<br>
they solve a dock as opposed to someone else. =C2=A0(applicable to any<br>
other duplicate extension as well)<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Jasper St. Pierre
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> This was more of a problem for the tens of "put ___ in the top bar!!"
> extensions we used to get, and several extensions that let you change the
> Activities text.
>
> For more complex widgets like docks, bottom panels, I'm fine with
> "duplicates" on the site.
>

Great!  Thanks for the clarification.

sri
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> Florian, so are you still reviewing extensions?

Yes, as time permits. I'd estimate that the last time I went through
the list was three weeks ago, so "months without any reviews!!11!" is
quite exaggerated. Still, *more* people doing reviews is clearly
helpful, so welcome to the club!

Cheers,
Florian
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On dim, 2014-05-25 at 10:24 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> If we have a downward trend then that
> would be awesome to know. :)

Well, for the record, it seems that my extension is working in 3.12 with
no changes, which is a first. I've not been able to get 3.12 running on
my system yet, but I started guiding a user through porting it, who is
using 3.12, and it turned out that just updating the version number was
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hi Sam;

On 25 May 2014 22:29, Sam Bull <sam.hacking@sent.com> wrote:
> On dim, 2014-05-25 at 10:24 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>> If we have a downward trend then that
>> would be awesome to know. :)
>
> Well, for the record, it seems that my extension is working in 3.12 with
> no changes, which is a first. I've not been able to get 3.12 running on
> my system yet, but I started guiding a user through porting it, who is
> using 3.12, and it turned out that just updating the version number was
> enough.

it's not for 3.12, but: if you want to test the current development
version of GNOME, you can download an image built by our continuous
integration.

you can download them from:
http://build.gnome.org/continuous/buildmaster/images/current/

they should run out of the box with any version of gnome-boxes newer than 3.9.

really, everyone with an extension should try and download a VM once
we start releasing beta versions of GNOME, so that they can reliably
test their extension, and give feedback. sadly, waiting for
distributions to pick up the current stable release of GNOME will
always lead to users being left out, and to extensions breaking well
after we did a stable release.

it is what happens with web browser extensions: developers can run a
nightly release of Firefox, or the devel channel of Chrome;
admittedly, running a VM *is* a bit more complicated than downloading
a bleeding edge version of a web browser, but we're trying to make it
simpler, and feedback on how to improve that is always appreciated. at
the end of the day, we also want app developers to start using VMs to
test their applications.

ciao,
 Emmanuele.

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On dim, 2014-05-25 at 22:55 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
> it's not for 3.12, but: if you want to test the current development
> version of GNOME, you can download an image built by our continuous
> integration.

Yes, I intend to try this out in future, but on my laptop Boxes won't
work at all. Either an issue with Ubuntu, or with some settings or
something (because I retain my home partition between installs).

I should have a desktop set up and running (with something other than
Ubuntu) just before the 3.14 release, so hopefully will be able to keep
up-to-date with future releases.

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It's still very helpful to know what changes between gnome-shell versions
(sure, not helpful for all extensions, but certainly helpful for many).

To this effort I once (at 3.2) started documenting the JS side of
gnome-shell [1] with the intention that whenever the version bumped I'd
merge the documentation over to the next branch (e.g. from 3.2 to 3.4) and
then change whatever needed to be changed.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to keep up with gnome-shell versions - we're
now at 3.12 and I still haven't finished the 3.2 documentation, so I
abandoned it.
If any of the mailing list want to contribute, they are most welcome
(though at this point it might be better to start at 3.10 or so rather than
persist with 3.2). I imagine once one full set of documentation is up it
should (technically) not take as much time to document changes between
versions as most of the documentation can (hopefully) be carried over.

(The syntax is JSDoc though I suspect with all the changes in that package
it will no longer compile; however in-code documentation will certainly do
for now).

[1]: https://bitbucket.org/mathematicalcoffee/gnome-shell-doc



On 25 May 2014 23:34, Sam Bull <sam.hacking@sent.com> wrote:

> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez
> <carlos.soriano89@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sriram,
> > Still, that's more work for developers, who already seems to be working
> on
> > something else more important upstream. At the end, what we need is
> someone
> > to go trough commits and make a list of important changes before a
> release.
> > Not sure who be willing to do so, although Drago did it last release, I
> > don't know how time consuming was to do it.
>
> Is this actually something that can be achieved for all extension
> developers? The way it can hack into the code surely means that any
> change could break an extension.
>
> For example, my extension, when updating to a new version, I've had most
> of the shell overlay change out from under me, and it took me days or
> weeks to hack back in to the new code to get my extension running.
>         Another time, my extension only broke due to a single attribute i=
n
> the
> shell being renamed to not have a preceding '_'.
>
> I've also had to copy and paste several full functions from the shell
> code so that I can change a line or add a couple of other lines, so if
> any of these functions change, I need to copy the new version.
>
> Maybe this is not the type of extension that is targeted by this effort,
> would these changes likely help other extension developers?
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s still very helpful to know what changes between g=
nome-shell versions (sure, not helpful for all extensions, but certainly he=
lpful for many).<div><br></div><div>To this effort I once (at 3.2) started =
documenting the JS side of gnome-shell [1] with the intention that whenever=
 the version bumped I&#39;d merge the documentation over to the next branch=
 (e.g. from 3.2 to 3.4) and then change whatever needed to be changed.</div=
>
<div><br></div><div>Unfortunately I wasn&#39;t able to keep up with gnome-s=
hell versions - we&#39;re now at 3.12 and I still haven&#39;t finished the =
3.2 documentation, so I abandoned it.<br></div><div>If any of the mailing l=
ist want to contribute, they are most welcome (though at this point it migh=
t be better to start at 3.10 or so rather than persist with 3.2). I imagine=
 once one full set of documentation is up it should (technically) not take =
as much time to document changes between versions as most of the documentat=
ion can (hopefully) be carried over.</div>
<div><div><br></div><div>(The syntax is JSDoc though I suspect with all the=
 changes in that package it will no longer compile; however in-code documen=
tation will certainly do for now).</div></div><div><br></div><div>[1]: <a h=
ref=3D"https://bitbucket.org/mathematicalcoffee/gnome-shell-doc">https://bi=
tbucket.org/mathematicalcoffee/gnome-shell-doc</a><br>
</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On 25 May 2014 23:34, Sam Bull <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sam.hacking@sent.com" target=3D"_blank">sam.hacking@sent.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:1=
4 AM, Carlos Soriano S=C3=A1nchez<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:carlos.soriano89@gmail.com">carlos.soriano89@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"">&gt; Sriram,<br>
&gt; Still, that&#39;s more work for developers, who already seems to be wo=
rking on<br>
&gt; something else more important upstream. At the end, what we need is so=
meone<br>
&gt; to go trough commits and make a list of important changes before a rel=
ease.<br>
&gt; Not sure who be willing to do so, although Drago did it last release, =
I<br>
&gt; don&#39;t know how time consuming was to do it.<br>
<br>
</div>Is this actually something that can be achieved for all extension<br>
developers? The way it can hack into the code surely means that any<br>
change could break an extension.<br>
<br>
For example, my extension, when updating to a new version, I&#39;ve had mos=
t<br>
of the shell overlay change out from under me, and it took me days or<br>
weeks to hack back in to the new code to get my extension running.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Another time, my extension only broke due to a =
single attribute in the<br>
shell being renamed to not have a preceding &#39;_&#39;.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve also had to copy and paste several full functions from the shell<b=
r>
code so that I can change a line or add a couple of other lines, so if<br>
any of these functions change, I need to copy the new version.<br>
<br>
Maybe this is not the type of extension that is targeted by this effort,<br=
>
would these changes likely help other extension developers?<br>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
gnome-shell-list mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:gnome-shell-list@gnome.org">gnome-shell-list@gnome.org</a=
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<a href=3D"https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list" target=
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On Sun, 2014-05-25 at 23:07 +0100, Sam Bull wrote:
> Yes, I intend to try this out in future, but on my laptop Boxes won't
> work at all. Either an issue with Ubuntu, or with some settings or
> something (because I retain my home partition between installs).

Boxes before 3.12 was never able to virtualize GNOME on my machine, no
matter what the host or guest distro. [1]

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D726882

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You're right, ?Carlos?. In an environment where all apps are contained, She=
ll extensions would be a very very neat entry point for malware. Jasper pro=
bably is the authority on this but I have serious doubts that anything can =
be done to secure Shell extensions. From the fact that extensions shouldn't=
 do sync I/O, I understand that their code runs in the same thread(s) as th=
e rest of the shell. This effectively prevents making only the extensions' =
API's memory pages executable to extension-running threads, for instance. I=
t also doesn't make sense to sandbox something which is expected to have su=
ch a central access to your system.


In other words, extension code is very dangerous and reviews should be very=
 thorough. The problem is when it comes to security, an extension won't be =
bad because it looks bad or code like "myVariable =3D allUserData; update_t=
o_evil_website(myVariable)". It'll be funky pointer arithmetic? and variabl=
e contents that nobody really understands, or shellcodes hidden inside an a=
lleged Web API's application key, etc. It'll be subtle and you'll probably =
need to be very good at JS, know GJS very well and have good security crede=
ntials to spot it. Then beyond exploits within the code (of various degrees=
 of clarity), you should look out for any processing of untrusted data: app=
 windows, documents, absolutely anything coming from the Internet without a=
uthentication on an encrypted channel. How does it interact with the progra=
m? Are you absolutely certain that there is no bug or no quirky operation t=
hat could result in e.g. buffer overflows, strange operations on potentiall=
y-shellcode-containing variables, etc.?


I wouldn't risk myself at it since I don't have much JS experience: I don't=
 even know how one'd break a JS interpretor (and specifically GJS). From my=
 (external, non-GNOME, non-authoritative) viewpoint anybody who doesn't kno=
w this either shouldn't be trusted with security reviews.


Cheers,

--
Steve Dodier-Lazaro
PhD student in Information Security
University College London
Dept. of Computer Science
Malet Place Engineering, 6.07
Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT
OpenPGP : 1B6B1670
________________________________
From: gnome-shell-list <gnome-shell-list-bounces@gnome.org> on behalf of Ca=
rlos Soriano S=E1nchez <carlos.soriano89@gmail.com>
Sent: 25 May 2014 21:31
To: Sriram Ramkrishna
Cc: Albert; gnome-shell-list
Subject: Re: Extensions review

Florian, Drago,
Even more, Gnome is moving to application containers, but we are allowing t=
hose things in extensions?
Seems just against all the work and a hole of security/privacy/what-I-think=
-application-does-or-permission-to-acces-my-things on the user POV.
But I'm the new here... so maybe I'm wrong.
Florian, so are you still reviewing extensions? Maybe the situation was not=
 that bad then... from the emails I though "nobody" was reviewing currently=
.

Sriram,
Right, still imho we should encourage to work together if possible (like se=
ems it is currently working as drago advised).


2014-05-25 22:23 GMT+02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna <sri@ramkrishna.me<mailto:sri@=
ramkrishna.me>>:
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:57 PM, drago01 <drago01@gmail.com<mailto:drago01=
@gmail.com>> wrote:

> 2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail
> while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don't approve
> it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded
> let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he
> does not respond transfer ownership).

That would eliminate a lot of the dock extensions, no?  We'll need to
let people who such extensions explain what is different about the way
they solve a dock as opposed to someone else.  (applicable to any
other duplicate extension as well)


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 for malware. Jasper probably is the authority on this but I have serious d=
oubts that anything can be done to secure Shell extensions. From the fact t=
hat extensions shouldn't do sync I/O, I understand that their code runs in =
the same thread(s) as the rest of
 the shell. This effectively prevents making only the extensions' API's mem=
ory pages executable to extension-running&nbsp;threads, for instance. It al=
so doesn't make sense to sandbox something which is expected to have such a=
 central access to your system.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>In other words, extension code is very&nbsp;dangerous and reviews should=
 be very thorough. The problem is when it comes to security, an extension w=
on't be bad because it looks bad or code like &quot;myVariable =3D allUserD=
ata; update_to_evil_website(myVariable)&quot;. It'll
 be funky pointer arithmetic&#8203; and variable contents that nobody reall=
y understands, or shellcodes hidden inside an alleged Web API's application=
 key, etc. It'll be subtle and you'll probably need to be very good at JS, =
know GJS very well and have good security
 credentials to spot it. Then beyond exploits within the code (of various d=
egrees of clarity), you should look out for any processing of untrusted dat=
a: app windows, documents, absolutely anything coming from the Internet wit=
hout authentication on an encrypted
 channel. How does it interact with the program? Are you absolutely certain=
 that there is no bug or no quirky operation that could result in e.g. buff=
er overflows, strange operations on potentially-shellcode-containing variab=
les, etc.?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I wouldn't risk myself at it since I don't have much&nbsp;JS experience:=
 I don't even know how one'd break a JS interpretor (and specifically GJS).=
 From my (external, non-GNOME, non-authoritative)&nbsp;viewpoint anybody wh=
o doesn't know this either shouldn't be trusted
 with security reviews.<br>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">--<br>
Steve Dodier-Lazaro<br>
PhD student in Information Security<br>
University College London<br>
Dept. of Computer Science<br>
Malet Place Engineering, 6.07<br>
Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT<br>
OpenPGP : 1B6B1670</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> gnome-shell-list &lt;=
gnome-shell-list-bounces@gnome.org&gt; on behalf of Carlos Soriano S=E1nche=
z &lt;carlos.soriano89@gmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 May 2014 21:31<br>
<b>To:</b> Sriram Ramkrishna<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Albert; gnome-shell-list<br>
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<div>Florian, Drago,<br>
Even more, Gnome is moving to application containers, but we are allowing t=
hose things in extensions?<br>
</div>
Seems just against all the work and a hole of security/privacy/what-I-think=
-application-does-or-permission-to-acces-my-things on the user POV.<br>
</div>
But I'm the new here... so maybe I'm wrong.<br>
</div>
<div>Florian, so are you still reviewing extensions? Maybe the situation wa=
s not that bad then... from the emails I though &quot;nobody&quot; was revi=
ewing currently.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Sriram,<br>
</div>
Right, still imho we should encourage to work together if possible (like se=
ems it is currently working as drago advised).<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-05-25 22:23 GMT&#43;02:00 Sriram Ramkrishna=
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&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sri@ramkrishna.me" target=3D"_blank">sri@ramkrishna.m=
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ilto:drago01@gmail.com">drago01@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; 2) Duplicates: Yeah forgot to tell you about that in the last mail<br>
&gt; while doing a review check for dupes and if there is one don't approve=
<br>
&gt; it either get both authors to work together or if one gets abounded<br=
>
&gt; let the new user become the owner (i.e send mail wait two weeks if he<=
br>
&gt; does not respond transfer ownership).<br>
<br>
</div>
That would eliminate a lot of the dock extensions, no? &nbsp;We'll need to<=
br>
let people who such extensions explain what is different about the way<br>
they solve a dock as opposed to someone else. &nbsp;(applicable to any<br>
other duplicate extension as well)<br>
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On dim, 2014-05-25 at 21:55 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Boxes before 3.12 was never able to virtualize GNOME on my machine, no
> matter what the host or guest distro. [1]

I think I have more serious problems. On previous Ubuntu versions, I
could only get a Windows 8 ISO to work, no Linux distro would work.
Zeeshan looked at it (at GUADEC), and was unable to work out the issue,
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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna <sri@ramkrishna.me> wrote:
> How can we get automatic testing with gnome-continuous?  I'm looking
> for a methodology that would download an extension, install it, and
> then test for errors and then post a status.  This doesn't seem that
> hard at first glance, but I'm not sure how to integrate it with
> gnome-continuous?
>
> This seems like a nice project for a prospective OPW or GSOC student. :)
>

Fundamental problem here: continuous tests don't have network access.
And allowing it would open a large can of worms.
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On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Dodier-Lazaro, Steve
<s.dodier-lazaro.12@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> You're right, Carlos. In an environment where all apps are contained, Shell
> extensions would be a very very neat entry point for malware. Jasper
> probably is the authority on this but I have serious doubts that anything
> can be done to secure Shell extensions. From the fact that extensions
> shouldn't do sync I/O, I understand that their code runs in the same
> thread(s) as the rest of the shell.

Yes that how extensions work they change any part of the shell's ui
code through monkey patching, there isn't any much of a defined api.


> This effectively prevents making only
> the extensions' API's memory pages executable to extension-running threads,
> for instance.

No you can't do that.

> It also doesn't make sense to sandbox something which is
> expected to have such a central access to your system.

That's correct.

>
> In other words, extension code is very dangerous and reviews should be very
> thorough. The problem is when it comes to security, an extension won't be
> bad because it looks bad or code like "myVariable = allUserData;
> update_to_evil_website(myVariable)". It'll be funky pointer arithmetic and
> variable contents that nobody really understands,

Well you can't really do pointer arithmetic in JS but any obfuscated
code or code
that the reviewer does not understand should not pass review.

> or shellcodes hidden
> inside an alleged Web API's application key, etc. It'll be subtle and you'll
> probably need to be very good at JS, know GJS very well and have good
> security credentials to spot it. Then beyond exploits within the code (of
> various degrees of clarity), you should look out for any processing of
> untrusted data: app windows, documents, absolutely anything coming from the
> Internet without authentication on an encrypted channel. How does it
> interact with the program? Are you absolutely certain that there is no bug
> or no quirky operation that could result in e.g. buffer overflows, strange
> operations on potentially-shellcode-containing variables, etc.?

You cannot be "absolutely certain" that the code does not trigger a
buffer overflow (or jump to an arbitrary heap address or whatever) you
cannot prove security for non trivial cases you can only
prove non security.

Also why would you try to run shell code if you can simply eval() a JS
string that you get from somewhere ... would be way easier.

But anyway hidding in an extension in a way to not get noticed by a
reviewer (i.e it has to look like legit code that does something
useful) is not as trivial as you might think.
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Hi,=0A=
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> [...]=0A=
> =0A=
> You cannot be "absolutely certain" that the code does not trigger a=0A=
> buffer overflow (or jump to an arbitrary heap address or whatever) you=0A=
> cannot prove security for non trivial cases you can only=0A=
> prove non security.=0A=
=0A=
Well, I really don't know JS. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by non-tri=
vial,=0A=
surely it's hard to prove non-trivial properties such as program terminatio=
n in=0A=
a general way, but we could already specify a bit what it is that extension=
s are:=0A=
=0A=
- code written in the JavaScript language (obviously)=0A=
- non-deterministic code, or is it?*=0A=
=0A=
Really, I can't stress how I don't know enough of JS to give any useful poi=
nters,=0A=
but I'm aware that there are a number of subsets to the language on which p=
eople=0A=
can run verifiers. So surely there are certain security properties that can=
 be=0A=
proved on certain JS programs. I'd intuitively state that simple properties=
 like=0A=
non-interference (but between what and what? :) ) could be sometimes proved=
 on =0A=
some extensions. Maybe what subset of the Shell is exposed to clients and w=
hat=0A=
subsets of JS are implemented in GJS can play a role for directed static an=
alysis.=0A=
=0A=
Where it really hurts is that each extension is unique, and you may want to=
 prove=0A=
different things in each of them; and of course the proof is only valid mod=
ulo bugs in=0A=
GJS. You could reframe or instrument the Shell to allow for some analysis m=
ethods,=0A=
but you'd still need reviewers who took a language-based security/program a=
nalysis=0A=
class to know what to do with the tools!=0A=
=0A=
* how are threads created? can extensions make threads? if so, what for? ba=
sic=0A=
map-reduce like parallelism, or do they e.g. treat multiple clients dependi=
ng on=0A=
the order in which they reach a shared resource? do they actually have a=0A=
non-deterministic behaviour or merely a non-deterministic implementation? S=
ome=0A=
people also manage to prove things on some non-det programs.=0A=
=0A=
 =0A=
> Also why would you try to run shell code if you can simply eval() a JS=0A=
> string that you get from somewhere ... would be way easier.=0A=
=0A=
eval() might be a bit obvious :) Even I know that! I had in mind typing my =
previous=0A=
email the charming people who write advanced persistent threat malwares. Sh=
ell=0A=
extensions really have all the properties you'd expect from a backdoor, so =
they=0A=
shouldn't be treated lightly... It's great that you have a code review in p=
lace,=0A=
something which probably does not happen with many FOSS projects -- and tha=
t's=0A=
what brings me to commenting on it in the first place: what can you improve=
 to make=0A=
sure that it delivers as much as you'd expect?=0A=
=0A=
 =0A=
> But anyway hidding in an extension in a way to not get noticed by a=0A=
> reviewer (i.e it has to look like legit code that does something=0A=
> useful) is not as trivial as you might think.=0A=
=0A=
It's certainly not trivial for me :)=0A=
--=0A=
Steve Dodier-Lazaro=0A=
PhD student in Information Security=0A=
University College London=0A=
Dept. of Computer Science=0A=
Malet Place Engineering, 6.07=0A=
Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT=0A=
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Hi all:

Now that you are commenting the problems about the extension review 
process, I think that maybe it is time to make this proposal: to create 
a "gnome shell api", or "hook codes" that allow to extensions to do 
common tasks. Examples are "add a widget to the upper bar", "Hide the 
Activities button", "Disable hot spots", "Enter/exit Activities mode"... 
I created an extension some time ago, and the way of doing these have 
changed several times since gnome shell 3.0. Having several functions 
that do these common things would allow to reduce the work for reviewing 
extensions, because new versions of gnome shell are less probable to 
break compatibility with old extensions.

What do you think?

-- 
Nos leemos
		         RASTER    (Linux user #228804)
raster@rastersoft.com              http://www.rastersoft.com

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GNOME Shell provides core user interface functions for the GNOME 3
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Hi all:

I have a gnome shell extension that adds an app menu. Until now I used 
the get_tree() method in the object returned by 
shell.appSystem.get_default() to get all the currently installed apps, 
but that method is not available in gnome shell 3.12. How can I replace it?

Thanks.

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On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:16 PM, rastersoft <raster@rastersoft.com> wrote:
> Until now I used the get_tree() method in the object returned by
> shell.appSystem.get_default() to get all the currently installed apps,
> but that method is not available in gnome shell 3.12. How can I replace it?

You should use gnome-menus directly now - see classic mode's app
menu[0] for an example.

Cheers,
Florian
[0] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-extensions/tree/extensions/apps-menu/extension.js#n489