From aderito.carvalho@sapo.pt Fri Nov 1 11:49:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DB87615D for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:49:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_MID=0.497, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YmlubDPgOAnK for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay3.ptmail.sapo.pt (relay3.ptmail.sapo.pt [212.55.154.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA7C17615A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3861 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2019 11:49:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 17119 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2019 11:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.6]) (aderito.carvalho@sapo.pt@[89.155.118.46]) (envelope-sender ) by ptmail-mta-auth02 (qmail-ptmail-1.0.0) with ESMTPA for ; 1 Nov 2019 11:49:43 -0000 X-PTMail-RemoteIP: 89.155.118.46 X-PTMail-AllowedSender-Action: X-PTMail-Service: default MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" From: =?utf-8?Q?ad=C3=A9rito?= Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:49:45 +0000 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8E507ACB-FE8E-4E99-9748-C71284864427_" Message-Id: <20191101114945.D2DB87615D@smtp.gnome.org> Subject: [orca-list] gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:49:46 -0000 --_8E507ACB-FE8E-4E99-9748-C71284864427_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello how do I install the gnome in arch linux and use the Orca on linux ar= ch gnome? and another thing how do I install linux on fenrir arch? Enviado do Correio para Windows 10 --_8E507ACB-FE8E-4E99-9748-C71284864427_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

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= --_8E507ACB-FE8E-4E99-9748-C71284864427_-- From nolan@thewordnerd.info Fri Nov 1 15:29:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B727617E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:29:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id foSBX9sIzyRw for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from new4-smtp.messagingengine.com (new4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.230]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 663B6760FF for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailnew.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC757030 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:29:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=13pfoA lN+iEh5Wl8UorbhE5HzY6lHympYSXkqyj5/B0=; b=wWPqwHux3XwFXV4hZg6Ckl gv/V7e4Rr8xFMzF3Iic2+7JGp8bfqSDhDeNwEnnTmA7BNNEhPYqoUPUtHyqNir1+ it3DeSECNI62KPlStCb6qvnhFFOfWZNzIBb4kJpRkCOJslFWXoeyG1KLHUsrGZKE LbXiVy34wSrTN6qCG2jLU86/tULKtOKZevZw8PM0ljVNbGmKWoL/SHCTjZ+Ddc7Q Axz5J2+kZIujkuDJA90bVwA9YOsLtohjRzPhwphN7UZLMKf9tEQdmfOGqW7IcBpt yWsvXh8C08bd6+FJse1yGyL8C/D8rCBec+Rl3CrBbQJz4LuHABiGTLw9D1IF7C5w == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedruddtjedgjeeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefvhffukffffgggtgfgsehtjeertd dtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefpohhlrghnucffrghrihhlvghkuceonhholhgrnhesthhhvgif ohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhoqeenucffohhmrghinheprhhiohhtrdhimhdprhhiohhtsh drihhmpdhmrghtrhhigidrohhrghenucfkphepjedtrdduudehrdduheefrddukedvnecu rfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinh hfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1A14E80063 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:29:47 -0400 (EDT) To: Orca From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:29:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:29:44 -0000 Hey folks, The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm experiencing a pretty significant issue with their new text entry system for messages that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm wondering if any Orca users are seeing the same, and if this can be diagnosed as either a Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as something they aren't doing correctly on their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. Once you have one and are logged in, visit this instance with accessibility improvements: https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into the message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter browse mode and try arrowing up. Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the accessibility build and the development build at riot.im/develop. Orca, on the other hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," followed by some buttons, and focus lands back in the message entry field. The only way to escape this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some other quick navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the mud. Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes ago and Firefox nightly as of a few days ago, but it's happened for a bit now so I don't think it's a bleeding-edge regression. Apologies for not reporting it--been a bit busy and it hasn't been high enough priority for me. Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to give it then there is the best place, or I'll happily relay it otherwise. Thanks a bunch. From nolan@thewordnerd.info Fri Nov 1 15:41:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A767F76100 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:41:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NoclXofdiyTb for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from new4-smtp.messagingengine.com (new4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.230]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC101760F7 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailnew.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C9B6F14 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:41:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=mrZeEF43XX611PWjEE/3cFFrrTLqzOub7RygxEtV7 Ig=; b=x7a9mrQyJwIUu3AK7y6TigV3IpgH4NNYIHFz4n3GyswGgFj00swBNZ+se 95BLIsNwlc1V30nIC9SFNpUdGSxM7VCFHcogn9iK53RagJs6c8A2d5cKrdcj7Qjo s2mqHXsPifhOdCF5yz1rm1CYXn2Aa97BovpBsl4ENiJNfuQLmLvMRllORSHtU33i PVNWaY+m61aTV5DyH3wP/zc9OXulhrT8dyjz4QyWbL1J4LCpS/3kX1fEh+F73Dgp WATcAhZvFHuP+K53CIfTWac0V5DseK+4MYEdqPgM4KpQScADhUdUK4atPsaE7sJi 2rOhgwJPDwUIs6TX20RdX4xR8X5nQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedruddtjedgjeelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtje ertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefpohhlrghnucffrghrihhlvghkuceonhholhgrnhesthhh vgifohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhoqeenucffohhmrghinhepghhnohhmvgdrohhrghdprh hiohhtrdhimhdprhhiohhtshdrihhmpdhmrghtrhhigidrohhrghenucfkphepjedtrddu udehrdduheefrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnohhlrghnsehthh gvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C2DDF8005A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:41:29 -0400 (EDT) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <93499664-0918-c34d-6065-0937fe14a69c@thewordnerd.info> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:41:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:41:25 -0000 Sorry for the spam, but I just discovered another interesting detail that might help diagnose this: If I type anything into the field, then enter browse mode, I can arrow up just fine. But if the field is empty, arrowing up (not down) traps me in it. The field also says "Opens list box" when empty, but not when there is any content. I'm wondering if this input is classified as a list widget of some kind, and maybe eats up-arrows even if in browse mode? That would be consistent with a widget like this which, presumably, lets me arrow up to previous messages I sent and edit them. Anyhow, still not sure where the specific issue lies, but hopefully I've given enough of a pointer. On 11/1/19 10:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Hey folks, > > > The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into > making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm experiencing > a pretty significant issue with their new text entry system for > messages that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm wondering if any > Orca users are seeing the same, and if this can be diagnosed as either > a Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as something they aren't doing > correctly on their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. Once > you have one and are logged in, visit this instance with accessibility > improvements: > > > https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y > > > Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into the > message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter browse > mode and try arrowing up. > > > Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the accessibility > build and the development build at riot.im/develop. Orca, on the other > hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," followed by some > buttons, and focus lands back in the message entry field. The only way > to escape this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some other > quick navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the mud. > Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes ago and Firefox nightly > as of a few days ago, but it's happened for a bit now so I don't think > it's a bleeding-edge regression. Apologies for not reporting it--been > a bit busy and it hasn't been high enough priority for me. > > > Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix > this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the > #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to give > it then there is the best place, or I'll happily relay it otherwise. > > > Thanks a bunch. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 1 15:51:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31810761AC for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:51:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bzwEHxmLyj5J for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D11D7619B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:50:59 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=7r/kAWEY/5+2U12pMl5ox6L9N6z7lM+DeYxjUhXoWMk=; b=pGcoJ2DQAo9sr99mKMcNYlgrOJN99Bo4xtu8sBckcQIhT6oGFGRMPBND0JPnH1x2o49tt66h8K4o+Fg3kXk9YZ5Ps5VbUydUL9c/q8c6VeXdGqdyORaA4cS8W/kjnE/jW2/5RWYhzNomoTKkz5A9h6N0YseYOLGZ+ItiFTlcacaF3aSk0kN1/uORDzqsl+88NVqFqJXuY+vQiAFvoMfC5FL++dbJvpiwW6MqpONAUdyjD9FvEoBiJf5yhrHU6fOZCvb3eTEwf3dn6HylhVP6VWOKPxMTK7oHlQX7OHzrSr1ZHf3GFH1/hAvWur5ftpl2gqPQSP7iKAcyRE/s2Xtkhw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iQZCa-0000q3-Vf; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:51:05 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , Orca References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <0ffc6d2d-9da8-8997-4b6c-69b8545876c6@igalia.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:50:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:51:03 -0000 Will take a look. Thanks! --joanie On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Hey folks, > > > The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into > making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm experiencing a > pretty significant issue with their new text entry system for messages > that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm wondering if any Orca users > are seeing the same, and if this can be diagnosed as either a > Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as something they aren't doing > correctly on their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. Once you > have one and are logged in, visit this instance with accessibility > improvements: > > > https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y > > > Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into the > message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter browse mode > and try arrowing up. > > > Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the accessibility > build and the development build at riot.im/develop. Orca, on the other > hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," followed by some buttons, > and focus lands back in the message entry field. The only way to escape > this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some other quick > navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the mud. Happens under > Orca master as of a few minutes ago and Firefox nightly as of a few days > ago, but it's happened for a bit now so I don't think it's a > bleeding-edge regression. Apologies for not reporting it--been a bit > busy and it hasn't been high enough priority for me. > > > Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix this? > They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the #a11y:matrix.org > room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to give it then there is the > best place, or I'll happily relay it otherwise. > > > Thanks a bunch. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From info@a-fs.cz Mon Nov 4 08:08:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2673176117 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:08:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tKpnycXkAf_h for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-smtp-out-03.stable.cz (mail-smtp-out-03.stable.cz [46.234.104.14]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96D8A760C0 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:08:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=a-fs.cz; s=0svuz-h88jh-z20tyyzl; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=kFThqjDusMK25jXTkT6mgd4rQo7JVwDqD/ZgZQyYWFA=; b=PabNrs7yejfCiQ8oItUb3bNTSY OuuhcHMoy0OrWaHJLHGnj0AisN5x/y6Ve24Dd5TgRoTXinJ+AB7TY7a2as4KhwPS9zhpoiKC4Xnzk nk7Sdy0lS5qwAtdtMJ//2Z11KkP6oRddoqgZDpWxGkSq7Q20w0JxXuHGLawKGXn9W/gLXXjCVSW3G aCX5oafn25/raEYqkDheR3OyiUBYMaZkL2FWHvqfOxskCmF2G0jnthduqH3hu/Iki5oR05A6G15Sp 3K6RmSlYYVR71B7Z7EHGXArWmvCT/X9akz8nQXEk/cA/UvFaBkA1nVTd27gsJi7TiHFc7otyv3zgt wdF/DwBw==; Received: from 78-157-160-1.silesnet.net ([78.157.160.1]:51866 helo=[192.168.0.130]) by mail-smtp1.stable.cz with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1iRXPJ-0006xp-Hk for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 09:08:13 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= Message-ID: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:08:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: cs Subject: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:08:13 -0000 Hi all, Accessibility is broken under Fedora 31 / default session - Wayland. What is not speaking? - gparted - Anaconda installer - all aps with sudo and sudo -E when I switch to xorg, all works perfectly as expected, but switching session to xorg requires to set password with passwd, because gdm doesn't show select session button without password. Thanks, Pavel From jdiggs@igalia.com Mon Nov 4 14:50:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793AA7610E for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:50:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7tiTS1dVLtM for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A49F76100 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:50:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=xHTZWZqb9+frfK1OPE8fClgoSJGlOo0dhJGh8wPn0eU=; b=oMaHOWWwbCVvxjLZAibNA90zU9STWlAgF2ZhDd3pXFEbaGeZ6I7Wgy39/yTiMTXc/2nsAx401NBiRheiWkP8EYuJq6xDES31sOJqvXse1m7UOOoCLa6hH9AiAa4RA3vx17lUgYent30/26kRXmMc1lKHp57o82kT6kUJ2sX+4E4p596moKhSZSdIs93tc8HDhOC4oYP+uEKI02KR13Gp2gaRA9IBVnIvvfCUCI5t0k2ijrdUiD94iAzrD0fP+QLqMpvv1YL/foFCWhdfggOILmnbculYNyLsuBnMedxzZ3VFw7jcSbyyLE5gjz0264s5OYmUdDdJ0x6Qw3lbnLpNWg==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iRdgX-0002hp-H4; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 15:50:25 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:50:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:50:25 -0000 Hi Pavel. I cannot do anything about that within Orca. Sorry! --joanie On 11/4/19 3:08 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi all, > > Accessibility is broken under Fedora 31 / default session - Wayland. > What is not speaking? > > - gparted > > - Anaconda installer > > - all aps with sudo and sudo -E > > when I switch to xorg, all works perfectly as expected, but switching > session to xorg requires to set password with passwd, because gdm > doesn't show select session button without password. > > Thanks, > > Pavel > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Mon Nov 4 14:59:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost 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X-ONET_PL-MDA-SEGREGATION: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:59:15 -0000 So, I use that excuse to ask, what is the current status of wayland accessibility? I mean there are problems in f31 as said, but before f31 for example? Things like flat review mouse clicking and stuff? I didn't track it and bugs were moved to gitlab so no clue. W dniu 04.11.2019 o 15:50, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: > Hi Pavel. > > I cannot do anything about that within Orca. Sorry! > > --joanie > > On 11/4/19 3:08 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Accessibility is broken under Fedora 31 / default session - Wayland. >> What is not speaking? >> >> - gparted >> >> - Anaconda installer >> >> - all aps with sudo and sudo -E >> >> when I switch to xorg, all works perfectly as expected, but switching >> session to xorg requires to set password with passwd, because gdm >> doesn't show select session button without password. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pavel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jpmengual@hypra.fr Mon Nov 4 16:21:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8855E7610D for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:21:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJo4_mz52I2n for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6412376100 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.39] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1ED33583327; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:21:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1572884504; bh=03WQcmKZKV4cJ6ln4thxWhSAud3qtwOIFqKmk9heGjs=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=OpkishbMCMEIjHCWnmP4ic9s7fZz7Yril3iJUeCoFqQKzwm7gHHMBOp303mPq5i2Z sQzA7XYXg6aWfAkCEZ+vb5J9kkRE7dua8tUaZg2EbTU/j757TtxJA+KxAmgsmt9N/u V6AT92b3KoCEdTpOfodpSKNQy2IDyZUmky1f+uzA= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , Joanmarie Diggs , =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> From: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Organization: Hypra Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:21:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:21:41 -0000 Hi, I speak under Joanie's, Samuel's and Alex's control. I try staying in the public assetions and rely on facts only. 1. No, Wayland is not accessible yet. The keyboard events and other things are not supported. See https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Accessibility/Wayland/ 2. No, GTK4 as toolkit will not support this too. They do not want to handle accessibility. They consider it should be handled by the window compositor. See https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/merge_requests/1120#note_634772 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/1739 They consider a11y as an ugly implementation and want to get rid of it. They think no one use Orca. And do not imagine for which usages. They consider blind users should use other OS. 3. Consequences: - any feedback on Gitlab about this bugs is useful, provided that it is constructive. We need to show them we exist, have the right to use free software and GUIs, and we are not so few. And even if GUI is not the best from a theorical point of view, it is the social will of beginners and necessary to accomplish some actions. - Before or after FOSDEM, Hypra and GNOME get involved in a hackfest to establish a roadmap: what should be done, where (Wayland or the toolkits), how to fund, etc. Thanks to this IRL meeting, I hope we will show what a blind user does, why he is legitimate, what is technically necessary, and who can get involved. According to this meeting issue, we might help Qt instead of GTK. I hope this meting will be a good beginning and not a break. Recommendations: - prefer the bug reports above instead of here, it will be more useful. - do not accept to hear "a blind user should use a CLI". Right in theory, but no for beginners and medium end-user. - Stay constructive: it will help us in the future dialog. But you can explain the law, the international rights. Regards Le 04/11/2019 à 15:53, Michał Zegan a écrit : > So, I use that excuse to ask, what is the current status of wayland > accessibility? I mean there are problems in f31 as said, but before f31 > for example? Things like flat review mouse clicking and stuff? I didn't > track it and bugs were moved to gitlab so no clue. > > W dniu 04.11.2019 o 15:50, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >> Hi Pavel. >> >> I cannot do anything about that within Orca. Sorry! >> >> --joanie >> >> On 11/4/19 3:08 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Accessibility is broken under Fedora 31 / default session - Wayland. >>> What is not speaking? >>> >>> - gparted >>> >>> - Anaconda installer >>> >>> - all aps with sudo and sudo -E >>> >>> when I switch to xorg, all works perfectly as expected, but switching >>> session to xorg requires to set password with passwd, because gdm >>> doesn't show select session button without password. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Pavel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From r.d.t.prater@gmail.com Mon Nov 4 17:15:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FDD76165 for ; 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Mon, 04 Nov 2019 09:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.92] ([204.29.85.5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k188sm8023490ywe.41.2019.11.04.09.15.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2019 09:15:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Devin Prater In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:15:44 -0600 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Zegan?= , Joanmarie Diggs , =?utf-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=C4=8Dek?= , orca-list@gnome.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3B88B07E-7213-41A8-AF61-026D366DC982@gmail.com> References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> To: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:15:44 -0000 If QT and KDE will be of better accommodation, then I believe we should = move there, instead of the GTK folks who still think bling people do not = use computers. If we stay with them, they will continue to be dead = weight to us. > On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I speak under Joanie's, Samuel's and Alex's control. I try staying in = the public assetions and rely on facts only. >=20 > 1. No, Wayland is not accessible yet. The keyboard events and other = things are not supported. See = https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Accessibility/Wayland/ >=20 > 2. No, GTK4 as toolkit will not support this too. They do not want to = handle accessibility. They consider it should be handled by the window = compositor. See = https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/merge_requests/1120#note_634772 and = https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/1739 >=20 > They consider a11y as an ugly implementation and want to get rid of = it. They think no one use Orca. And do not imagine for which usages. = They consider blind users should use other OS. >=20 > 3. Consequences: > - any feedback on Gitlab about this bugs is useful, provided that it = is constructive. We need to show them we exist, have the right to use = free software and GUIs, and we are not so few. And even if GUI is not = the best from a theorical point of view, it is the social will of = beginners and necessary to accomplish some actions. > - Before or after FOSDEM, Hypra and GNOME get involved in a hackfest = to establish a roadmap: what should be done, where (Wayland or the = toolkits), how to fund, etc. Thanks to this IRL meeting, I hope we will = show what a blind user does, why he is legitimate, what is technically = necessary, and who can get involved. According to this meeting issue, we = might help Qt instead of GTK. I hope this meting will be a good = beginning and not a break. >=20 > Recommendations: > - prefer the bug reports above instead of here, it will be more = useful. > - do not accept to hear "a blind user should use a CLI". Right in = theory, but no for beginners and medium end-user. > - Stay constructive: it will help us in the future dialog. But you can = explain the law, the international rights. >=20 > Regards >=20 >=20 > Le 04/11/2019 =C3=A0 15:53, Micha=C5=82 Zegan a =C3=A9crit : >> So, I use that excuse to ask, what is the current status of wayland >> accessibility? I mean there are problems in f31 as said, but before = f31 >> for example? Things like flat review mouse clicking and stuff? I = didn't >> track it and bugs were moved to gitlab so no clue. >>=20 >> W dniu 04.11.2019 o 15:50, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>> Hi Pavel. >>>=20 >>> I cannot do anything about that within Orca. Sorry! >>>=20 >>> --joanie >>>=20 >>> On 11/4/19 3:08 AM, Pavel Vl=C4=8Dek wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>>=20 >>>> Accessibility is broken under Fedora 31 / default session - = Wayland. >>>> What is not speaking? >>>>=20 >>>> - gparted >>>>=20 >>>> - Anaconda installer >>>>=20 >>>> - all aps with sudo and sudo -E >>>>=20 >>>> when I switch to xorg, all works perfectly as expected, but = switching >>>> session to xorg requires to set password with passwd, because gdm >>>> doesn't show select session button without password. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>>=20 >>>> Pavel >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jpmengual@hypra.fr Mon Nov 4 17:24:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7498A7610E for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:24:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GQW9zsxkTa2R for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C70876100 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.39] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD474583327; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:24:53 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1572888293; bh=Gp1L9+Vr1dpS5N5IwV8gZZUp0cfrYHFgx4TOr8N3BW4=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=QvwAKmGcZ+4/OVFyb7/4z5ag9I/L3fMa0r3rQ6BA53IDczPteE91danUqcZxc1Gy6 6w3E4X8o1CUYQv2Di6QR2QD2rOcPH/8LCFbFWK1/Zy7rh2ITz/W2Rkwc/m5m8KTWYu qnxYEAyyf8l5iqs93ljyVp8yND61MOp9xbsGUfWk= To: Devin Prater Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , Joanmarie Diggs , =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <3B88B07E-7213-41A8-AF61-026D366DC982@gmail.com> From: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <6e48a22c-4245-587f-b462-4bb0ac4f287c@hypra.fr> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:24:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3B88B07E-7213-41A8-AF61-026D366DC982@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:24:50 -0000 Hi Devin, That is not completely so simple. First because KDE requires very a high work, Chrys could tell us his point of view, but in my understanding, making it accessible implies a lot of work. Nexcxt and in particular, we will always need GTK. Thunderbird, Firefox use it. Other important apps too. So while switching to KDE is an option, we need to ensure GTK keeps a minimal accessibility. Finally, I am not certain that Qt fixes all the Wayland issus, so it is important to examine what Wayland lacks too. All the more as we see that all the team GTK is not exactly on the same line. Beyond a feeling "they are closed" from some of them, the project manager and one major contributor just needs to understand, to see real human nusers. Hence a meeting at FOSDEM and next to this event. To establish a more human dialog, to make the most opened persons understand all the consequence of things. So everything is not lost yet. Just we need noise, to prepare human meeting, and we need to keep all options opened to maintain our hope. regards regards Le 04/11/2019 à 18:15, Devin Prater a écrit : > If QT and KDE will be of better accommodation, then I believe we should move there, instead of the GTK folks who still think bling people do not use computers. If we stay with them, they will continue to be dead weight to us. > >> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I speak under Joanie's, Samuel's and Alex's control. I try staying in the public assetions and rely on facts only. >> >> 1. No, Wayland is not accessible yet. The keyboard events and other things are not supported. See https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Accessibility/Wayland/ >> >> 2. No, GTK4 as toolkit will not support this too. They do not want to handle accessibility. They consider it should be handled by the window compositor. See https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/merge_requests/1120#note_634772 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/1739 >> >> They consider a11y as an ugly implementation and want to get rid of it. They think no one use Orca. And do not imagine for which usages. They consider blind users should use other OS. >> >> 3. Consequences: >> - any feedback on Gitlab about this bugs is useful, provided that it is constructive. We need to show them we exist, have the right to use free software and GUIs, and we are not so few. And even if GUI is not the best from a theorical point of view, it is the social will of beginners and necessary to accomplish some actions. >> - Before or after FOSDEM, Hypra and GNOME get involved in a hackfest to establish a roadmap: what should be done, where (Wayland or the toolkits), how to fund, etc. Thanks to this IRL meeting, I hope we will show what a blind user does, why he is legitimate, what is technically necessary, and who can get involved. According to this meeting issue, we might help Qt instead of GTK. I hope this meting will be a good beginning and not a break. >> >> Recommendations: >> - prefer the bug reports above instead of here, it will be more useful. >> - do not accept to hear "a blind user should use a CLI". Right in theory, but no for beginners and medium end-user. >> - Stay constructive: it will help us in the future dialog. But you can explain the law, the international rights. >> >> Regards >> >> >> Le 04/11/2019 à 15:53, Michał Zegan a écrit : >>> So, I use that excuse to ask, what is the current status of wayland >>> accessibility? I mean there are problems in f31 as said, but before f31 >>> for example? Things like flat review mouse clicking and stuff? I didn't >>> track it and bugs were moved to gitlab so no clue. >>> >>> W dniu 04.11.2019 o 15:50, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>>> Hi Pavel. >>>> >>>> I cannot do anything about that within Orca. Sorry! >>>> >>>> --joanie >>>> >>>> On 11/4/19 3:08 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Accessibility is broken under Fedora 31 / default session - Wayland. >>>>> What is not speaking? >>>>> >>>>> - gparted >>>>> >>>>> - Anaconda installer >>>>> >>>>> - all aps with sudo and sudo -E >>>>> >>>>> when I switch to xorg, all works perfectly as expected, but switching >>>>> session to xorg requires to set password with passwd, because gdm >>>>> doesn't show select session button without password. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Pavel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From ilovecountrymusic483@gmail.com Mon Nov 4 19:20:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55E37613D for ; 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:20:56 -0000 Hi all, For the last couple of days now I have been unable to setup my one of my = gmail accounts using thunderbird 68.2 with jenux which is based on arch = linux. I keep getting the message unable to sign in to server, probably = wrong configuration. Any ideas on what might have changed with gmail. = I checkedd all of the settings and all is well there. I tried manually = configuring the settings and while this seemed to work for 1 account = this does not work for the other. I have checkedd to make sure that les = secure apps is enabled on the account I am trying to add and as far as I = can tell it still is. =20 If there is something else I am missing please let me know as I really = would like to get this fixed asap. Thanks all. Matthew From chrys@linux-a11y.org Mon Nov 4 19:38:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B8276130 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gya_2XogZqij for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:38:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1172 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:38:34 UTC Received: from smtprelay08.ispgateway.de (smtprelay08.ispgateway.de [134.119.228.98]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C114C7610D for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [95.90.219.227] (helo=[192.168.178.103]) by smtprelay08.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1iRhsX-0007Ec-E7 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 20:19:05 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <3B88B07E-7213-41A8-AF61-026D366DC982@gmail.com> <6e48a22c-4245-587f-b462-4bb0ac4f287c@hypra.fr> From: chrys Message-ID: <0c1e2b9c-5869-b057-8eb2-32da5fb4c204@linux-a11y.org> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:19:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6e48a22c-4245-587f-b462-4bb0ac4f287c@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Df-Sender: Y2hyeXNAbGludXgtYTExeS5vcmc= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:38:37 -0000 Howdy List, IMO QT5 is very accessible thanks to Frederik's work in that area. he is also very friendly and helps out where ever he can. He is employed at QT company what makes him able to fix some of the QT related a11y bugs in his work time. Thanks for this Frederik! I know that accessibility works on QT with Wayland. but i as i still use X i don't know the exact state here. as some functionality is missing in Wayland i assume most of the issues are the same. Well, Plasma needs some work. But the situation is not as worse as most guys think. but there are some huge blocker issues. to name some out of my mind: - the default main menu does not set the focus properly. what makes orca not be able to react to focus change events. this could be worked around by use one of both alternative menues what are shipped by default (those work out for basic stuff quite well). - no way to focus the tray - WIFI list is not keyboard navigate able Since Plasma 5.17 the functionality to control the mouse with keyboard was restored and works on Wayland. i tracked down the complete list off issues i found in KDEs phabricator: https://phabricator.kde.org/project/view/249/ there is also a very recent talk about unify keyboard navigation all over the desktop to improve keyboard handling. my plan is to offer an a11y sprint for plasma as soon as i find time to organize it. i also hope for an GSoC student :). lets see... my job locks me currently a lot, after that period i try to force my work on that area again. IMO Plasma is a wonderful and hyper flexible alternative desktop. i use it exclusive since almost a year thanks to gnomes "lets remove everything useful" effort. (i say this as an 15 year hardcore gnome user...) I also found an open minded and friendly community at KDE. any help is welcome, i can guide what to do and for some parts also how to do. Most stuff is done in QT Quick. its very similar to java script and CSS. no recompile needed to see the results. very handy and easy. cheers chrys Am 04.11.19 um 18:24 schrieb Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list: > Hi Devin, > > That is not completely so simple. First because KDE requires very a > high work, Chrys could tell us his point of view, but in my > understanding, making it accessible implies a lot of work. Nexcxt and > in particular, we will always need GTK. Thunderbird, Firefox use it. > Other important apps too. So while switching to KDE is an option, we > need to ensure GTK keeps a minimal accessibility. Finally, I am not > certain that Qt fixes all the Wayland issus, so it is important to > examine what Wayland lacks too. All the more as we see that all the > team GTK is not exactly on the same line. Beyond a feeling "they are > closed" from some of them, the project manager and one major > contributor just needs to understand, to see real human nusers. Hence > a meeting at FOSDEM and next to this event. To establish a more human > dialog, to make the most opened persons understand all the consequence > of things. So everything is not lost yet. Just we need noise, to > prepare human meeting, and we need to keep all options opened to > maintain our hope. > > regards > > > regards > > Le 04/11/2019 à 18:15, Devin Prater a écrit : >> If QT and KDE will be of better accommodation, then I believe we >> should move there, instead of the GTK folks who still think bling >> people do not use computers. If we stay with them, they will continue >> to be dead weight to us. >> >>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I speak under Joanie's, Samuel's and Alex's control. I try staying >>> in the public assetions and rely on facts only. >>> >>> 1. No, Wayland is not accessible yet. The keyboard events and other >>> things are not supported. See >>> https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Accessibility/Wayland/ >>> >>> 2. No, GTK4 as toolkit will not support this too. They do not want >>> to handle accessibility. They consider it should be handled by the >>> window compositor. See >>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/merge_requests/1120#note_634772 >>> and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/1739 >>> >>> They consider a11y as an ugly implementation and want to get rid of >>> it. They think no one use Orca. And do not imagine for which usages. >>> They consider blind users should use other OS. >>> >>> 3. Consequences: >>> - any feedback on Gitlab about this bugs is useful, provided that it >>> is constructive. We need to show them we exist, have the right to >>> use free software and GUIs, and we are not so few. And even if GUI >>> is not the best from a theorical point of view, it is the social >>> will of beginners and necessary to accomplish some actions. >>> - Before or after FOSDEM, Hypra and GNOME get involved in a hackfest >>> to establish a roadmap: what should be done, where (Wayland or the >>> toolkits), how to fund, etc. Thanks to this IRL meeting, I hope we >>> will show what a blind user does, why he is legitimate, what is >>> technically necessary, and who can get involved. According to this >>> meeting issue, we might help Qt instead of GTK. I hope this meting >>> will be a good beginning and not a break. >>> >>> Recommendations: >>> - prefer the bug reports above instead of here, it will be more useful. >>> - do not accept to hear "a blind user should use a CLI". Right in >>> theory, but no for beginners and medium end-user. >>> - Stay constructive: it will help us in the future dialog. But you >>> can explain the law, the international rights. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Le 04/11/2019 à 15:53, Michał Zegan a écrit : >>>> So, I use that excuse to ask, what is the current status of wayland >>>> accessibility? I mean there are problems in f31 as said, but before >>>> f31 >>>> for example? Things like flat review mouse clicking and stuff? I >>>> didn't >>>> track it and bugs were moved to gitlab so no clue. >>>> >>>> W dniu 04.11.2019 o 15:50, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>>>> Hi Pavel. >>>>> >>>>> I cannot do anything about that within Orca. Sorry! >>>>> >>>>> --joanie >>>>> >>>>> On 11/4/19 3:08 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Accessibility is broken under Fedora 31 / default session - Wayland. >>>>>> What is not speaking? >>>>>> >>>>>> - gparted >>>>>> >>>>>> - Anaconda installer >>>>>> >>>>>> - all aps with sudo and sudo -E >>>>>> >>>>>> when I switch to xorg, all works perfectly as expected, but >>>>>> switching >>>>>> session to xorg requires to set password with passwd, because gdm >>>>>> doesn't show select session button without password. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Pavel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From sthibault@hypra.fr Mon Nov 4 21:41:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1777613D for ; 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b=joVx5DWnobfEQCZJnkVhTMOC4p3YRxoMTJSQQyjVoi6Ceh0hWUfLxEWQjkyRRo+Po VSmnUshU2xlxTbLRSuWkNoshCIjYeaF8lSEmaxErTCCSex1g4YW/g6oBcxUeROncwr BwB76tzoBeI2fmNYQHcvdtlEJdau61QdEy/BGHt8= Received: from samy by function with local (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1iRk6a-0001zC-JR; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 22:41:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:41:44 +0100 From: Samuel Thibault To: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82?= Zegan , Joanmarie Diggs , Pavel =?utf-8?B?VmzEjWVr?= , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: I am not organized User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170609 (1.8.3) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:41:46 -0000 Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list, le lun. 04 nov. 2019 17:21:43 +0100, a ecrit: > They consider a11y as an ugly implementation and want to get rid of it. They > think no one use Orca. And do not imagine for which usages. They consider > blind users should use other OS. Not everybody there think like that. Some are fine with having some support, but see some pieces of it as ugly hacks, and I can only agree: keyboard snooping and synthesis are very problematic. Discussions around FOSDEM should help to sort the situation out. Samuel From jdashiel@panix.com Tue Nov 5 02:57:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA55776113 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:57:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d7_Wysm8cScv for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D748760C6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476Z8y5m3Pz1HGg for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 476Z8y4MlJzcbV; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476Z8y4040zcbT for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:57:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:57:54 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [orca-list] what might be possible in f31 (fwd) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 02:57:52 -0000 -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 12:47:04 From: Dave To: Jude DaShiell Subject: Re: what might be possible in f31 Hi Jude, In Fedora, use of wayland is by default, but it is not required. You can still set it up to use X11. In fact if you install the Nvidia drivers it will do this for you. Here is how to do it manually - https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/configuring-xorg-as-default-gnome-session/? Here is an additional link that give you commands to tell if your on wayland or not - https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f31/system-administrators-guide/Wayland/ Take care, Dave On 11/4/19 11:54 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: A script to purge all parts of wayland from a system and install enough of xorg to replace the wayland functions. Given wayland got released and my guess is installers weren't given the choice of xorg or wayland from the get go, this likely will be the only way f31 can support its accessibility in the workstation spin. From what I understand the workstation spin is the only spin fedora offers with any accessibility in it. -- From aderito.carvalho@sapo.pt Tue Nov 5 09:20:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD9276113 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:20:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_MID=0.497, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aeC70GtVfk9a for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay3.ptmail.sapo.pt (relay3.ptmail.sapo.pt [212.55.154.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD8DA760C6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14060 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2019 09:20:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 16434 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2019 09:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.6]) (aderito.carvalho@sapo.pt@[89.155.118.46]) (envelope-sender ) by ptmail-mta-auth02 (qmail-ptmail-1.0.0) with ESMTPA for ; 5 Nov 2019 09:20:51 -0000 X-PTMail-RemoteIP: 89.155.118.46 X-PTMail-AllowedSender-Action: X-PTMail-Service: default MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" From: =?utf-8?Q?ad=C3=A9rito?= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:20:51 +0000 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_C596015F-9B24-4750-B1EF-D37D1AC8EE65_" Message-Id: <20191105092049.DFD9276113@smtp.gnome.org> Subject: [orca-list] jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 09:20:50 -0000 --_C596015F-9B24-4750-B1EF-D37D1AC8EE65_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux because= the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL Monthly New= sletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter the = page to download it. 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= --_C596015F-9B24-4750-B1EF-D37D1AC8EE65_-- From zywek-mailing@nvps.pl Tue Nov 5 09:33:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE1B76113 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:33:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.92 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pg_B3rFdNaaJ for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:33:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 597 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 09:33:51 UTC Received: from nvps.pl (52.ip-145-239-89.eu [145.239.89.52]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48A24760C6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.42.113] (public-gprs364466.centertel.pl [37.47.54.243]) by nvps.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4DFB5DE77 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:23:59 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:23:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: pl-PL Subject: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 09:33:52 -0000 Hello. I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I will play the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed below informations about currently playing movie. From didier@slint.fr Tue Nov 5 10:43:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CA5760C6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:43:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a9ZQ-ma6bGWb for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (smtp4-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.4]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAD87760C0 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e34:ed09:d470:f98e:ae61:edb5:45b1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1406719F5C3 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:43:39 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20191105092049.DFD9276113@smtp.gnome.org> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <3be878f0-1fe8-d41f-5b02-59ee6ea32d82@slint.fr> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:43:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191105092049.DFD9276113@smtp.gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 10:43:36 -0000 Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try Tarch: https://tarch.org/ Didier Le 05/11/2019 à 10:20, adérito a écrit : > Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux because the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter the page to download it. From aarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 5 12:24:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05E9760EE for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:24:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lyoPOlZUqWdl for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D98AA76174 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF01C5832F2; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:24:47 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1572956687; bh=Dfh1QIPI21NqiVzfq/R2tZsC9WHAJ2XhSyHOxFm0WGQ=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=vwmpIAlOD2fq+maHsiMY2rOpHb0erXUC0MbUD8tUZrtdXvZPHqeYJ2cFe/sztrJVR EUfDMYPAhh271SsnHOvYsdAv20wnZM+0XnNYab6j6IS7vWajLprri4w26eNBgVLFUn Pv0l7k8oJPfktCoIXy7TWbm/EMay+qeHoaNHXE8w= To: chrys , orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <3B88B07E-7213-41A8-AF61-026D366DC982@gmail.com> <6e48a22c-4245-587f-b462-4bb0ac4f287c@hypra.fr> <0c1e2b9c-5869-b057-8eb2-32da5fb4c204@linux-a11y.org> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <63a00ea0-b5ed-6c25-c9a8-0dacaa45259f@hypra.fr> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:24:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0c1e2b9c-5869-b057-8eb2-32da5fb4c204@linux-a11y.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------66A1EEA0F0C1E715F59E1C0B" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 12:24:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------66A1EEA0F0C1E715F59E1C0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 04/11/2019 à 20:19, chrys a écrit : > Well, Plasma needs some work. But the situation is not as worse as > most guys think. but there are some huge blocker issues. Do you know which one will work on those issues? I've some question related to KDE/QT: * Which QT mail client are you able to use? * Which QT web browser are you able to use? * Which QT office suite are you able to use? * Which full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE? Thanks in advance, Alex. --------------66A1EEA0F0C1E715F59E1C0B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 04/11/2019 à 20:19, chrys a écrit :
Well, Plasma needs some work. But the situation is not as worse as most guys think. but there are some huge blocker issues.
Do you know which one will work on those issues?

I've some question related to KDE/QT:
* Which QT mail client are you able to use?
* Which QT web browser are you able to use?
* Which QT office suite are you able to use?
* Which full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE?

Thanks in advance,
Alex.
--------------66A1EEA0F0C1E715F59E1C0B-- From r.d.t.prater@gmail.com Tue Nov 5 13:58:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED55976111 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:58:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.335 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.335 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RfWpu6EhdfiL for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw1-f50.google.com (mail-yw1-f50.google.com [209.85.161.50]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3A01760EE for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw1-f50.google.com with SMTP id a67so8297911ywg.7 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 05:58:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=irntbShZ8SC0Q9Go1+7UrE05BbYURERnXjWWHxVb4H4=; b=bYryeMu0OX7icsXf5EyChLicuvGbGzaVXQeWXYBoQByn254T/IE77BGU1JrUhH8T0f zyfwI02hrYKftaHRmX2hu1GEi6zyz25/FW5Baz2OOvpA9mTyZz0NWfoBndJa5ldWRYdc g8xFKfGdv3D+uEq8sM2Ku0oovYvlbkqO2+JlEtG7bAhSF5EPn3wUlz60S832dkqNEhLh oaqS7/hXdjJekDdYiCayt6VpyYfHjUi5kH3SbCePIXEPOEDVL69qcrIXL/UwqmbF8Reu 5uXJnOTiP6a0D1LdIqwmCMmWV+NN6ygBFNHXkU5YtrN4xHDQJQVeBazaRlBPsANdAhdo rV1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=irntbShZ8SC0Q9Go1+7UrE05BbYURERnXjWWHxVb4H4=; b=Npz6np8qalq598AOaxm/hKeeC07wDPO8shZLo2hAnBuqPqbkw4mrmvKmFVo+wLnOpb 1PIPsDk/d/dc542OVTUMpG3pktZvqntN7vPaOJF++Gapd5J2gY3pSWPsrVqj20gtiSN8 ZxvL/mdV9srj6r0dXQmdX7/oWSsHSwThT7ZYCPEIpprdGTlyhrS9OM+itjVsf0v89DtS xzHOT38zj9dek3ucIICMlg+bj7Xuz0ySUd1hT8EIYCTLXn3kLq4IjNfKEJV8L2SnVO7o q+hn5niTApQjTLy/k9JyEHi77ZYEsbJnj7kXjUrU+EIBGhReE3Z7QJVMZX39waShoPuB I0ng== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVckwM7lAHBIvPDP+Y9e3erEB9fQUraUkkGardk21zFYxVJV3vW 30xAsF1tpbm7shzqYc7VIDTmFI7SUv4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwhi8wbLvlZ4NRXSdV+QVLg1cjT8m/WvZaEMQdUau2dPae4obkVqDf4UJCn0/uizkwyI9yEVA== X-Received: by 2002:a81:7189:: with SMTP id m131mr23889733ywc.387.1572962298417; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 05:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.92] ([204.29.85.5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h67sm5830059ywe.15.2019.11.05.05.58.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2019 05:58:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Devin Prater In-Reply-To: <3be878f0-1fe8-d41f-5b02-59ee6ea32d82@slint.fr> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 07:58:17 -0600 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5BAF2EDD-6B0C-4048-8F8D-E5737EBED1E1@gmail.com> References: <20191105092049.DFD9276113@smtp.gnome.org> <3be878f0-1fe8-d41f-5b02-59ee6ea32d82@slint.fr> To: Didier Spaier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Subject: Re: [orca-list] jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 13:58:13 -0000 In the TArch news, there is an F123 script. Does this install F123 on = X86_64 systems? > On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier wrote: >=20 > Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try = Tarch: > https://tarch.org/ >=20 > Didier >=20 >=20 > Le 05/11/2019 =C3=A0 10:20, ad=C3=A9rito a =C3=A9crit : >> Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux = because the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL = Monthly Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can = not enter the page to download it. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Tue Nov 5 14:15:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38F976111 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:15:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32uMVqOXL8Wx for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt1-f182.google.com (mail-qt1-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF15B760EE for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-f182.google.com with SMTP id o49so29514740qta.7 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 06:15:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:reply-to:subject:to:cc:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=yS0gmNEbNmmJHIBD+4itEDmMK1daZSUSXON/5fMIIPs=; b=h/+dMeeuJ5BP0VNUs8dPGJTzvTqAvUCeGpHn9c8lU2f/J4KxORBwTJm99dKpmNGSyZ t9mYgP2z8N7YKtr4xJHQnG1/VY0b6QX27bhPXBlxyqz6yPQ4yhRLMuzDEtj4+eqMVRCi IrdoGvClNiyH3Mr6cjFqwkwkGZRZne3ek/sJXaugYcvriRD8DKa504kWbMlsWgPdKm7e w7vZG1RiqdalXvCXHSa9RZ557/HcfyTuZsJEE8KGKnfZYgGiAE9sT6pyCgwEoogLRUNN m2P7uizeUqIr77YyW8UywToWed8mQotvjaPX5zwbjjpAKYHVlP6LFmypj4Cnahbe9tLi puHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:reply-to:subject:to:cc:references:from :organization:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=yS0gmNEbNmmJHIBD+4itEDmMK1daZSUSXON/5fMIIPs=; b=PVJ0n94CAeqEdiaKK/aVmz3WcxOP2G00TMDj/TyBwlkl3ovsgbcL3IbD4VMklHDHv3 WX9PWemP/umAzXNhDR2j68yQrvUzPNrzM7wOQPJLa4rfI0/cQZmpXZ/7cV31wqbJ+SrN nRc0hgBkeh0SO8+FefqAVIslSDDxpxq5kvazCZfoqtYNxBBAc28uCPjSMJyVBb6zfIMT NLzNcMgKOlFfrWscEEu2PCCeCOdD1JPKtvsLA6yMHZA1U5biTdxHgbYOa8Ypwwdyj+vU gIDwjyq79JAANCz5TibIGrkLUNVVmtOeBR6J+D+W3JoGr2Sh10XiCF/tTXLFx+W8dwVk aV5w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXHuu3h8RXXmvc5oyEuyzUYAHfm1S+oGH+v+lQ4/PWwPm3IXEeV e3xxgjKzLTeDoCVWI5vMR8+BX+ka X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzbZ9jjn3d+gR6ECmztMqUu0nZBlK7JSFnZ3BIRbUAKoTblHCTRmGsHS9PAe/n1fdwQgLWj/g== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:8061:: with SMTP id 88mr20643472qva.62.1572963321998; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 06:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.186.137] ([177.92.39.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k3sm12785958qtf.68.2019.11.05.06.15.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2019 06:15:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org To: Devin Prater , Didier Spaier Cc: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20191105092049.DFD9276113@smtp.gnome.org> <3be878f0-1fe8-d41f-5b02-59ee6ea32d82@slint.fr> <5BAF2EDD-6B0C-4048-8F8D-E5737EBED1E1@gmail.com> From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:15:17 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5BAF2EDD-6B0C-4048-8F8D-E5737EBED1E1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:15:16 -0000 It is an experimental X86 installer only. It still has a number of issues we are working on. Fernando On 11/5/19 10:58 AM, Devin Prater via orca-list wrote: > In the TArch news, there is an F123 script. Does this install F123 on X86_64 systems? > >> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier wrote: >> >> Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try Tarch: >> https://tarch.org/ >> >> Didier >> >> >> Le 05/11/2019 à 10:20, adérito a écrit : >>> Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux because the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter the page to download it. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From chrys@linux-a11y.org Tue Nov 5 14:39:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DE476111 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:39:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBX4WUv1Bmmv for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (smtprelay03.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.26]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07294760EE for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [95.90.219.227] (helo=[192.168.178.103]) by smtprelay03.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1iRzzX-000128-G2; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:39:31 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <3B88B07E-7213-41A8-AF61-026D366DC982@gmail.com> <6e48a22c-4245-587f-b462-4bb0ac4f287c@hypra.fr> <0c1e2b9c-5869-b057-8eb2-32da5fb4c204@linux-a11y.org> <63a00ea0-b5ed-6c25-c9a8-0dacaa45259f@hypra.fr> From: chrys Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:39:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <63a00ea0-b5ed-6c25-c9a8-0dacaa45259f@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Df-Sender: Y2hyeXNAbGludXgtYTExeS5vcmc= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:39:30 -0000 Howdy Alex, > Do you know which one will work on those issues? as long nobody else helps out its mostly Frederik and me. I've some question related to KDE/QT: * Which QT mail client are you able to use? well, i know only one accessible Mail client on Linux at all, Thunderbird. Sadly i don't think there are useful GUI alternatives. but i use thunderbird here on KDE too. so i didn't search much for others alternatives. * Which QT web browser are you able to use? same for browsers. Only "real" accessible engine is gecko. also WebkitGTK lacks a lot of functionality. Maybe Chrome will be an alternative anytime. * Which QT office suite are you able to use? Libreoffice offers an QT5 implementation (since october 2018) what comes just from beginning with accessibility. but i assume cause by most blind people use mostly GTK software, it needs some testing. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LibreOffice-More-Qt5-LXQt "In the update shared earlier this month was initial accessibility support as well as Qt5 clipboard support." * Which full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE? i use the "Zoom" plugin of Kwin (shipped by default). this works quite well here but with some smaller glitches with other effects. i assume compiz or kmag could be an alternative as well. i find the KDE community as helpful friendly people who want help, bust mostly a little lost in "how to" help. maybe with some assistance the issues can get some more attention. cheers chrys Am 05.11.19 um 13:24 schrieb Alex ARNAUD: > Le 04/11/2019 à 20:19, chrys a écrit : >> Well, Plasma needs some work. But the situation is not as worse as >> most guys think. but there are some huge blocker issues. > Do you know which one will work on those issues? > > I've some question related to KDE/QT: > * Which QT mail client are you able to use? > * Which QT web browser are you able to use? > * Which QT office suite are you able to use? > * Which full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE? > > Thanks in advance, > Alex. From jdashiel@panix.com Tue Nov 5 14:50:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4845876111 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:50:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hZJuLf8CVrAB for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBBF476133 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476syp5wzwz1jyY for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 476syp4cwHzcbV; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476syp4FYpzcbT for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:50:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:50:10 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [orca-list] most current Jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:50:06 -0000 https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.31-x86_64.iso It's possible that is the last iso that will be produced Didier Spaier may have contacted Danial Nash and learned this, I don't know for sure. In order to check on that and keep off topic email off this list it's a good idea to open: https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/ and once opened check the page for its content. -- From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 5 15:35:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C93B76182 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:35:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id imgK8nQ-YDNq for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7369E76133 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:35:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=oyvvyFZzLO151GhLg28QTtkZmwQjHjcyLOLpUy1PDcA=; b=Mmq2gJ8C+AnL7m3jZo7ZXEoSXPq+VndjIqfSmjAqAWrTI2IprZNcjZNj8IitQ3WlpfnWAWtGpOFX9WKAKvxvzilcZVbxPvtir50P3pLbUxqlNGo3JaWFmYCUEfWPkG247sUHyRvsUzJDTMQiTREfJvUMzqeLZ2xRXcEQnqU9gOWx/vIQTCI0jkhaJ18Pgs5fWtYZs8NFXgttykMjK66+60QCCwk46V+frFHbyHMyaOxEO7OOElZVJpkCvB61w5SMSxytDIY1P8tdJXG9hAwRff2SxPIO/PTICykrnpBeAOTAu1/kqJd4FqcDXbJm6ndYG5HJp/g3i9J4dPF8PuYkoA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iS0rm-0005c7-GJ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:35:34 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:35:33 -0000 What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then bug reports will not be helpful. --joanie On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: > Hello. > > I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I will play > the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed below > informations about currently playing movie. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 5 15:40:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507A57611B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:40:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id os3QVjHQoM69 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48119761A2 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:40:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject; bh=5FiuFCwv7iwUofthIb45/2XJD8Bv+5AJOoCQXZ5Z4O0=; b=kQsdn8hPxpF4BJdCGJn5xGw3QRg7JufOt4xhospovax+H4aoQV0Hva17f7AvQLGCNGguAKSJ4FaHZx6hHuK0OJjrq7CRKf27uoKIYbwdWklpavdJwhNEb+Tdm9I7tTTv66kd3LVzNbsWSZjugGpyJOsCUKIA0txyeaxEGbbYBZnZ+GommBvLXM+l3ZqPCpctHZm6fsUVOyZEZLzx91rjbix4Tg3sjoPJ2e0gBZIowC5zDzd9mEcNwRENG9gPU/wSjeHmtng19quLM9gFTZOIwILyi1QK1nYJxyyik3yHr++NPgL1JkB+cCzO57hCHxPiqSbgYbfHYehUKh5OM1Zx7g==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iS0ww-00066B-U4; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:40:55 +0100 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:40:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:40:50 -0000 Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's an excellent chance Chromium bugs you find have already been fixed. The bug you describe, however, is I think something I fixed in Orca. On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like > something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then bug > reports will not be helpful. > > --joanie > > On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. 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As = soon as I have it on a Raspberry Pi 4 we have, I=E2=80=99ll surely be = trying it out. I see so much potential in this, to be not just a = beginning computer for people in developing countries, but to stick with = them as they advance, due to the increase in RAM of the Pi 4. Of course, = I=E2=80=99ve been bitten by this positivity, like when trying Android, = but we=E2=80=99ll see what comes of pure Linux, and our drive for = greater accessibility and productivity. > On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:15 AM, Fernando Botelho = wrote: >=20 > It is an experimental X86 installer only. It still has a number of = issues we are working on. >=20 >=20 > Fernando >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 11/5/19 10:58 AM, Devin Prater via orca-list wrote: >> In the TArch news, there is an F123 script. Does this install F123 on = X86_64 systems? >>=20 >>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier wrote: >>>=20 >>> Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try = Tarch: >>> https://tarch.org/ >>>=20 >>> Didier >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Le 05/11/2019 =C3=A0 10:20, ad=C3=A9rito a =C3=A9crit : >>>> Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux = because the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL = Monthly Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can = not enter the page to download it. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From aderito.carvalho@sapo.pt Tue Nov 5 16:04:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630587618D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.402 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_MID=0.497, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L2xXNhmfZIUn for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay3.ptmail.sapo.pt (relay3.ptmail.sapo.pt [212.55.154.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD3C67611B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15679 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2019 16:04:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 31590 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2019 16:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.6]) (aderito.carvalho@sapo.pt@[89.155.118.46]) (envelope-sender ) by ptmail-mta-auth02 (qmail-ptmail-1.0.0) with ESMTPA for ; 5 Nov 2019 16:04:08 -0000 X-PTMail-RemoteIP: 89.155.118.46 X-PTMail-AllowedSender-Action: X-PTMail-Service: default MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" From: =?utf-8?Q?ad=C3=A9rito?= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:04:09 +0000 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_F2E2E402-E355-48D3-859F-FF79F988A935_" Message-Id: <20191105160409.630587618D@smtp.gnome.org> Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca-list Digest, Vol 166, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:04:09 -0000 --_F2E2E402-E355-48D3-859F-FF79F988A935_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" only when I run the F123 light script to install it asks if I want to insta= ll in a virtual machine. I do so and because preiciono enter. and poiscomo = do paraparticionar the disc with the F123 light script Enviado do Correio para Windows 10 De: orca-list-request@gnome.org Enviado: 5 de novembro de 2019 15:41 Para: orca-list@gnome.org Assunto: orca-list Digest, Vol 166, Issue 4 Send orca-list mailing list submissions to orca-list@gnome.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to orca-list-request@gnome.org You can reach the person managing the list at orca-list-owner@gnome.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of orca-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 (Alex ARNAUD) 2. Re: jenux (Devin Prater) 3. Re: jenux (Fernando Botelho) 4. Re: Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 (chrys) 5. most current Jenux (Jude DaShiell) 6. Re: chromium and youtube problem (Joanmarie Diggs) 7. Re: chromium and youtube problem (Joanmarie Diggs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:24:47 +0100 From: Alex ARNAUD To: chrys , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 Message-ID: <63a00ea0-b5ed-6c25-c9a8-0dacaa45259f@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed" Le 04/11/2019 ? 20:19, chrys a ?crit?: > Well, Plasma needs some work. But the situation is not as worse as=20 > most guys think. but there are some huge blocker issues.=20 Do you know which one will work on those issues? I've some question related to KDE/QT: * Which QT mail client are you able to use? * Which QT web browser are you able to use? * Which QT office suite are you able to use? * Which full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE? Thanks in advance, Alex. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 07:58:17 -0600 From: Devin Prater To: Didier Spaier Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] jenux Message-ID: <5BAF2EDD-6B0C-4048-8F8D-E5737EBED1E1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 In the TArch news, there is an F123 script. Does this install F123 on X86_6= 4 systems? > On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier wrote: >=20 > Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try Tarch= : > https://tarch.org/ >=20 > Didier >=20 >=20 > Le 05/11/2019 ? 10:20, ad?rito a ?crit : >> Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux beca= use the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL Monthly = Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter t= he page to download it. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:15:17 -0300 From: Fernando Botelho To: Devin Prater , Didier Spaier Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] jenux Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed It is an experimental X86 installer only. It still has a number of=20 issues we are working on. Fernando On 11/5/19 10:58 AM, Devin Prater via orca-list wrote: > In the TArch news, there is an F123 script. Does this install F123 on X86= _64 systems? > >> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier wrote: >> >> Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try Tarc= h: >> https://tarch.org/ >> >> Didier >> >> >> Le 05/11/2019 ? 10:20, ad?rito a ?crit : >>> Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux bec= ause the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL Monthly= Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter = the page to download it. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/st= able/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:39:31 +0100 From: chrys To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed Howdy Alex, > Do you know which one will work on those issues? as long nobody else helps out its mostly Frederik and me. I've some question related to KDE/QT: * Which QT mail client are you able to use? well, i know only one accessible Mail client on Linux at all,=20 Thunderbird. Sadly i don't think there are useful GUI alternatives. but=20 i use thunderbird here on KDE too. so i didn't search much for others=20 alternatives. * Which QT web browser are you able to use? same for browsers. Only "real" accessible engine is gecko. also=20 WebkitGTK lacks a lot of functionality. Maybe Chrome will be an=20 alternative anytime. * Which QT office suite are you able to use? Libreoffice offers an QT5 implementation (since october 2018) what comes=20 just from beginning with accessibility. but i assume cause by most blind=20 people use mostly GTK software, it needs some testing. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DLibreOffice-More-Qt= 5-LXQt "In the update shared earlier this month was initial accessibility=20 support as well as Qt5 clipboard support." * Which full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE? i use the "Zoom" plugin of Kwin (shipped by default). this works quite=20 well here but with some smaller glitches with other effects. i assume=20 compiz or kmag could be an alternative as well. i find the KDE community as helpful friendly people who want help, bust=20 mostly a little lost in "how to" help. maybe with some assistance the=20 issues can get some more attention. cheers chrys Am 05.11.19 um 13:24 schrieb Alex ARNAUD: > Le 04/11/2019 ? 20:19, chrys a ?crit?: >> Well, Plasma needs some work. But the situation is not as worse as=20 >> most guys think. but there are some huge blocker issues.=20 > Do you know which one will work on those issues? > > I've some question related to KDE/QT: > * Which QT mail client are you able to use? > * Which QT web browser are you able to use? > * Which QT office suite are you able to use? > * Which full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE? > > Thanks in advance, > Alex. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:50:10 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] most current Jenux Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.31-x86_64.iso It's possible that is the last iso that will be produced Didier Spaier may have contacted Danial Nash and learned this, I don't know for sure. In order to check on that and keep off topic email off this list it's a good idea to open: https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/ and once opened check the page for its content. --=20 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:23 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Arkadiusz Kozio? , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like=20 something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then bug=20 reports will not be helpful. --joanie On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozio? wrote: > Hello. >=20 > I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I will play= =20 > the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed below=20 > informations about currently playing movie. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >=20 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:40:44 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Arkadiusz Kozio? , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's an excellent=20 chance Chromium bugs you find have already been fixed. The bug you=20 describe, however, is I think something I fixed in Orca. On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like=20 > something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then bug=20 > reports will not be helpful. >=20 > --joanie >=20 > On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozio? wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. 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=C2=A0=C2= =A0 1. Re:=C2=A0 Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 (Alex ARNAUD)=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re:=C2=A0 jenux (Devin Prater)

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=C2=A0=C2=A0 3. Re:=C2=A0 jenux (Fernando Botelho)

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=C2=A0=C2=A0 4. Re:=C2=A0 Accessibility broken under W= ayland Fedora 31 (chrys)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 5.=C2=A0 most= current Jenux (Jude DaShiell)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 6. Re:= =C2=A0 chromium and youtube problem (Joanmarie Diggs)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 7. Re:=C2=A0 chromium and youtube problem (Joanmarie Diggs)=

 

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Message: 1

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 20= 19 13:24:47 +0100

From: Alex ARNAUD <aarnaud@hyp= ra.fr>

To: chrys <chrys@linux-a11y.org>, o= rca-list@gnome.org

Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessi= bility broken under Wayland Fedora 31

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flo= wed"

 

Le 04/11/2019 ? 20:19, chrys a ?crit?:

> Well, = Plasma needs some work. But the situation is not as worse as

> most guys think. but there are some huge blocker issues. =

Do you know which one will work on those issues?

 

I've some = question related to KDE/QT:

* Which QT mail client = are you able to use?

* Which QT web browser are you= able to use?

* Which QT office suite are you able = to use?

* Which full screen magnifier are you able = to use with KDE?

 

Thanks in advance,

Alex.

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 = 07:58:17 -0600

From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@= gmail.com>

To: Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr= >

Cc: orca-list@gnome.org

Subject: Re: [orca-list] jenux

Message-ID: <5B= AF2EDD-6B0C-4048-8F8D-E5737EBED1E1@gmail.com>

Co= ntent-Type: text/plain;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 charset=3Dutf-8

 

In the TArch news, there is an F123 script. Does thi= s install F123 on X86_64 systems?

 =

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier <= ;didier@slint.fr> wrote:

>

> Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system,= try Tarch:

> https://tarch.org/

>

> Didier

= >

>

> Le 05/11/2= 019 ? 10:20, ad?rito a ?crit :

>> Hello, I ca= n not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux because the page i= s down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of = jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter the page to dow= nload it.

> ____________________________________= ___________

> orca-list mailing list

> orca-list@gnome.org

> https://= mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

> Orca= wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca

> Or= ca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/

> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gn= ome-help/stable/a11y.html

 

 

 

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Message: 3

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:15:17 -0300

From: = Fernando Botelho <Fernando.Botelho@F123.org>

= To: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>, Didier Spaier

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <didier@slint.fr>

Cc: orca-list@gnome.org

Subject: Re: [orca-list= ] jenux

Message-ID: <debb3920-df06-1c97-0b16-d28= 51c9fe816@F123.org>

Content-Type: text/plain; ch= arset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed

 

It is an experimental X86 installer only. It still ha= s a number of

issues we are working on.

 

 

Fernando

 

 

 = ;

On 11/5/19 10:58 AM, Devin Prater via orca-= list wrote:

> In the TArch news, there is an F12= 3 script. Does this install F123 on X86_64 systems?

> 

>> On Nov 5, 2019, at = 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr> wrote:

>> 

>> Jenux is a di= scontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try Tarch:

>> https://tarch.org/

>> 

>> Didier

>> 

>> <= /o:p>

>> Le 05/11/2019 ? 10:20, ad?rito a ?cr= it :

>>> Hello, I can not download the new= INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux because the page is down or has been dis= continued? it is not new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Month= ly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter the page to download it.

>> _______________________________________________

>> orca-list mailing list

= >> orca-list@gnome.org

>> https://mail.= gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

>> Orca = wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca

>>= Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/

>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/= users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html

> ____________= ___________________________________

> orca-list = mailing list

> orca-list@gnome.org

> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca

> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/or= ca/stable/

> GNOME Universal Access guide: https= ://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html

 

 

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 = ;

Message: 4

Date: Tu= e, 5 Nov 2019 15:39:31 +0100

From: chrys <chrys@= linux-a11y.org>

To: Alex ARNAUD <aarnaud@hypr= a.fr>, orca-list@gnome.org

Subject: Re: [orca-li= st] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31

Me= ssage-ID: <bb7b2e62-c88f-416b-cdfa-47f566b8a60c@linux-a11y.org>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflow= ed

 

Howdy = Alex,

 

&g= t; Do you know which one will work on those issues?

as long nobody else helps out its mostly Frederik and me.

 

I've some question relate= d to KDE/QT:

 

* Which QT mail client are you able to use?

wel= l, i know only one accessible Mail client on Linux at all,

Thunderbird. Sadly i don't think there are useful GUI alternatives= . but

i use thunderbird here on KDE too. so i didn= 't search much for others

alternatives.

 

* Which QT web brow= ser are you able to use?

same for browsers. Only &q= uot;real" accessible engine is gecko. also

We= bkitGTK lacks a lot of functionality. Maybe Chrome will be an

alternative anytime.

 =

* Which QT office suite are you able to use?

Libreoffice offers an QT5 implementation (since october = 2018) what comes

just from beginning with accessib= ility. but i assume cause by most blind

people use= mostly GTK software, it needs some testing.

https:= //www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DLibreOffice-More-Qt5-= LXQt

"In the update shared earlier this month = was initial accessibility

support as well as Qt5 c= lipboard support."

 

* Which full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE?<= /p>

i use the "Zoom" plugin of Kwin (shipped = by default). this works quite

well here but with s= ome smaller glitches with other effects. i assume

= compiz or kmag could be an alternative as well.

 

i find the KDE community as helpful = friendly people who want help, bust

mostly a littl= e lost in "how to" help. maybe with some assistance the

issues can get some more attention.

 

cheers chrys

Am 05.11.19 um 13:24 schrieb Alex ARNAUD:

>= Le 04/11/2019 ? 20:19, chrys a ?crit?:

>> We= ll, Plasma needs some work. But the situation is not as worse as

>> most guys think. but there are some huge blocker is= sues.

> Do you know which one will work on thos= e issues?

> 

> I've some question related to KDE/QT:

>= ; * Which QT mail client are you able to use?

> = * Which QT web browser are you able to use?

> * = Which QT office suite are you able to use?

> * W= hich full screen magnifier are you able to use with KDE?

> 

> Thanks in advance,=

> Alex.

 

 

&= nbsp;

 

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 =

Message: 5

Date: Tue, 5 No= v 2019 09:50:10 -0500

From: Jude DaShiell <jdash= iel@panix.com>

To: orca-list@gnome.org

Subject: [orca-list] most current Jenux

Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.21.1911050945310.7534@panix1.panix.com>=

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII

 

https://nashce= ntral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.31-x86_64.iso

It's possible that is the last iso that will be produced Didier Spaier = may

have contacted Danial Nash and learned this, I = don't know for sure.

In order to check on that and = keep off topic email off this list it's a

good idea= to open:

https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/=

and once opened check the page for its content.

 

 =

--

 

 

&n= bsp;

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Message: 6

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:23 -0500

From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>

= To: Arkadiusz Kozio? <zywek-mailing@nvps.pl>,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 orca-list@gnome.org<= /p>

Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube probl= em

Message-ID: <d4fbc15c-c5cf-0292-8909-cc890a5e= fc78@igalia.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; chars= et=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed

 

What version of Orca are you using. What you describe so= unds like

something I already fixed. If you are no= t using Orca master, then bug

reports will not be = helpful.

 

= --joanie

 

= On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozio? wrote:

> He= llo.

>

> I discovere= d an error when I've started using chromium. When I will play

> the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed be= low

> informations about currently playing movi= e.

>

> _____________= __________________________________

> orca-list m= ailing list

> orca-list@gnome.org

> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca

> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/

> GNOME Universal Access guide:

> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.h= tml

>

 =

 

&nb= sp;

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Message: 7

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:40:44 -0500

From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>

T= o: Arkadiusz Kozio? <zywek-mailing@nvps.pl>,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 orca-list@gnome.org<= /p>

Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube probl= em

Message-ID: <d5a4e2ed-90ce-7175-2a7c-9c11b5fe= 4219@igalia.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; chars= et=3Dutf-8; format=3Dflowed

 

Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's= an excellent

chance Chromium bugs you find have a= lready been fixed. The bug you

describe, however, = is I think something I fixed in Orca.

 

On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

> What version of Orca are you using. What you des= cribe sounds like

> something I already fixed. = If you are not using Orca master, then bug

> re= ports will not be helpful.

>

> --joanie

>

&= gt; On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozio? wrote:

>= ;> Hello.

>> 

>> I discovered an error when I've started using chromiu= m. When I will

>> play the movie from YT, or= ca says me another movies, showed below

>> i= nformations about currently playing movie.

>>=  

>> ________________________= _______________________

>> orca-list mailing = list

>> orca-list@gnome.org

>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca

=

>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/us= ers/orca/stable/

>> GNOME Universal Access gu= ide:

>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-h= elp/stable/a11y.html

>> 

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> orca-list@gnome.org

> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca

> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/=

> GNOME Universal Access guide:

> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html

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= --_F2E2E402-E355-48D3-859F-FF79F988A935_-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 5 16:07:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4467618D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:07:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sbuYKItv-dkl for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 875217618C for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:07:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject; bh=PbKE2Ybqx3qIZYyTF43Ak1rAQm30ex/xtwRS1CpXqNA=; b=WrQYUt7EgkwtUhZuf+/1aD4GP1hPOUoYZBa+0frlnYSPxCnVbt0lPxmT2ViMsBtCOT1fbOUvo/2XoUqKAZkG1nSnOyZiAjEJO6h+aeBoPV0pewmeTkMTSkUgGrkySlSh6TB+pZl7ZWJFu9noxAxCHgL433YwxNsK2hi5zakb05olWSgiy1+jT/AUGm3+OYjfV+vwY2Ry+1xqPR90L3HztkpkAhI7Sb4cUM3kUYxdhYCKGr5UBBcxocK/lt/211nFzNuRJqCtlrlLSUrX/0zIUpInw1lshZPQi65/ubnUFEwpIiPG7Bb1/JKel5yGtuIAeL3eyNGIFJp6XOawHO/Z5A==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iS1MK-0000BL-8q; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:07:08 +0100 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:06:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:07:05 -0000 Sorry for the noise, but I vaguely recall that this was also an issue in Firefox. And that the issue was that YouTube uses live regions to present that information. If that is where the messages you're describing are coming from, then that is not an Orca bug or a browser bug; it's a YouTube feature that you don't like. I'm afraid Orca cannot reliably guess what live regions are good and something you want to hear. Therefore, try toggling off Orca's live region support when using YouTube. --joanie On 11/5/19 10:40 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's an excellent > chance Chromium bugs you find have already been fixed. The bug you > describe, however, is I think something I fixed in Orca. > > On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like >> something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then bug >> reports will not be helpful. >> >> --joanie >> >> On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I will >>> play the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed below >>> informations about currently playing movie. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Tue Nov 5 16:08:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B680D7618D for ; 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Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.186.137] ([177.92.39.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r2sm12987435qtc.28.2019.11.05.08.08.26 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:08:27 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org To: Devin Prater Cc: Didier Spaier , orca-list@gnome.org References: <20191105092049.DFD9276113@smtp.gnome.org> <3be878f0-1fe8-d41f-5b02-59ee6ea32d82@slint.fr> <5BAF2EDD-6B0C-4048-8F8D-E5737EBED1E1@gmail.com> <89B9E708-1F84-4605-A4D0-BDEA4EFB9898@gmail.com> From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:08:24 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <89B9E708-1F84-4605-A4D0-BDEA4EFB9898@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:08:23 -0000 Thanks for your kind words. Feel free to join one of our lists to get notified about new versions. We are now using both Orca and Fenrir depending on the situation. You can find more info here: https://guide.f123.org/ Fernando On 11/5/19 1:00 PM, Devin Prater wrote: > Ah, thanks so much for trying to make F123 as universal as possible. As soon as I have it on a Raspberry Pi 4 we have, I’ll surely be trying it out. I see so much potential in this, to be not just a beginning computer for people in developing countries, but to stick with them as they advance, due to the increase in RAM of the Pi 4. Of course, I’ve been bitten by this positivity, like when trying Android, but we’ll see what comes of pure Linux, and our drive for greater accessibility and productivity. > >> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:15 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote: >> >> It is an experimental X86 installer only. It still has a number of issues we are working on. >> >> >> Fernando >> >> >> >> On 11/5/19 10:58 AM, Devin Prater via orca-list wrote: >>> In the TArch news, there is an F123 script. Does this install F123 on X86_64 systems? >>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier wrote: >>>> >>>> Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try Tarch: >>>> https://tarch.org/ >>>> >>>> Didier >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 05/11/2019 à 10:20, adérito a écrit : >>>>> Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux because the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter the page to download it. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From r.d.t.prater@gmail.com Tue Nov 5 16:32:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622DD7611E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.335 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.335 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id crrliQ5HtjF4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb1-f169.google.com (mail-yb1-f169.google.com [209.85.219.169]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBCA176116 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-f169.google.com with SMTP id g17so168891ybd.13 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:32:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=xXce4BoVIhIdSJEnz+vV00lp6B3WdFAUOQdlSxJecxo=; b=U6cfZUyHtS6Jt5GyvrwJhqwOVM3y6rsOWDJUt5FSzVTJMzfPeL2/L+WAcPt2y7WWiQ 2dUFL4s5BKBr6fp275MuqxvRxKwHXwvyY51lLrizEnnK5oiQmRhTlvzxDghcUE0oNKVt vd1NMJpl34BpnNjrgKu3S91qeTFQp585H6f9vXz25mMuHH2HnaYpvKO/BxuVEUEdI70c Q6Ss/8q602p12UuPTuK5XxX0ikRcmt//jdlrTyn5dCi5RBmg+xAi8/0+iUCtzElAiUc6 iOrOSwi5axgepLtuE/rMwikUiWfvrGVV4jv2867GmAe/k+FFoAKJ5uEAhXo6GiNnLwLK HYFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=xXce4BoVIhIdSJEnz+vV00lp6B3WdFAUOQdlSxJecxo=; b=K4a377nUG72B/715Vn3HG587xXeW8eyQl60UtUnamg1ghz/KBNX0EZoaWvvaeBiUGf fOfRZP7bh6laez3Q3JYnwdnVQxF0oDZNJ9w08vl/jjBPClCwDyjDuDmKwo2c3n94Jn9O oAoSNMAhpCXzF38a9SVajmF8sKKOXZD3UHAwa7naufjT8sfUsoHHXrzCqOw0GW3Pnjze 9/mi+u3Br+Lu3nPjcHhhXl+snQu4eWvB3y7eZ/Sy8VK7uF+ro00qeHO07VmYzFRbwZJQ zQkI6Dh6FxQgVVvzZnlMljKiMh62fTwf0EuZhezzlUqieg4ZRN2jfMw8TFpFzjD/bY8y +0+g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUaiI36a0p1mZfXOT7j5Yg3FDiBMcSC42kLVygUKIfHDVcI1Yp8 6/9uTLrqTmHfaZXsQ2DtQLc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyCuWNBVa7ypFJPAyPZoHUwrmKS1nWpA0HC79RbuVmxE+8zpFZKt8wU3SWKYm6uTU38P4bAkw== X-Received: by 2002:a25:d34f:: with SMTP id e76mr24401363ybf.433.1572971534926; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.92] ([204.29.85.5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i9sm4599004ywe.107.2019.11.05.08.32.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Devin Prater In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:32:13 -0600 Cc: Didier Spaier , Orca List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8FCF73EF-1D45-4B9B-9599-2B8435C14825@gmail.com> References: <20191105092049.DFD9276113@smtp.gnome.org> <3be878f0-1fe8-d41f-5b02-59ee6ea32d82@slint.fr> <5BAF2EDD-6B0C-4048-8F8D-E5737EBED1E1@gmail.com> <89B9E708-1F84-4605-A4D0-BDEA4EFB9898@gmail.com> To: "Fernando.Botelho@f123.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Subject: Re: [orca-list] jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:32:10 -0000 I am 98% sure I am on the English F123 list, although there aren=E2=80=99t= many posts there. I=E2=80=99d love to be able to keep up more closely = with development. I love that key commands mirror NVDA for Windows, = that=E2=80=99s gonna bring down many barriers to entry for many users. = The Assistive Tech department where I work is very open to new = technology, so if Linux gets good enough, I could see that as a good, = less expensive computer for blind people for home use, at least, IT or = software develpment, if Emacspeak=E2=80=99s speech server for eSpeak = could be improved, or one be created for=E2=80=A6 Mimic I think is the = voice we use in f123 now? Very exciting opportunities await, truly. > On Nov 5, 2019, at 10:08 AM, Fernando Botelho = wrote: >=20 > Thanks for your kind words. >=20 >=20 > Feel free to join one of our lists to get notified about new versions. = We are now using both Orca and Fenrir depending on the situation. >=20 >=20 > You can find more info here: >=20 > https://guide.f123.org/ >=20 >=20 > Fernando >=20 >=20 > On 11/5/19 1:00 PM, Devin Prater wrote: >> Ah, thanks so much for trying to make F123 as universal as possible. = As soon as I have it on a Raspberry Pi 4 we have, I=E2=80=99ll surely be = trying it out. I see so much potential in this, to be not just a = beginning computer for people in developing countries, but to stick with = them as they advance, due to the increase in RAM of the Pi 4. Of course, = I=E2=80=99ve been bitten by this positivity, like when trying Android, = but we=E2=80=99ll see what comes of pure Linux, and our drive for = greater accessibility and productivity. >>=20 >>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:15 AM, Fernando Botelho = wrote: >>>=20 >>> It is an experimental X86 installer only. It still has a number of = issues we are working on. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Fernando >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 11/5/19 10:58 AM, Devin Prater via orca-list wrote: >>>> In the TArch news, there is an F123 script. Does this install F123 = on X86_64 systems? >>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Didier Spaier wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, = try Tarch: >>>>> https://tarch.org/ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Didier >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Le 05/11/2019 =C3=A0 10:20, ad=C3=A9rito a =C3=A9crit : >>>>>> Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of = jenux because the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new = INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 = and can not enter the page to download it. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From zywek-mailing@nvps.pl Tue Nov 5 16:52:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE7976116 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:52:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.92 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XmtsbaT96WHZ for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nvps.pl (52.ip-145-239-89.eu [145.239.89.52]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0597F7611E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (apn-37-248-41-93.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl [37.248.41.93]) by nvps.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E0F45DE77 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:52:43 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:52:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:52:41 -0000 chromium-snapshot 80.0 Orca master, the newest commit. W dniu 05.11.2019 o 17:06, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: > Sorry for the noise, but I vaguely recall that this was also an issue > in Firefox. And that the issue was that YouTube uses live regions to > present that information. If that is where the messages you're > describing are coming from, then that is not an Orca bug or a browser > bug; it's a YouTube feature that you don't like. I'm afraid Orca > cannot reliably guess what live regions are good and something you > want to hear. Therefore, try toggling off Orca's live region support > when using YouTube. > > --joanie > > On 11/5/19 10:40 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's an excellent >> chance Chromium bugs you find have already been fixed. The bug you >> describe, however, is I think something I fixed in Orca. >> >> On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like >>> something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then >>> bug reports will not be helpful. >>> >>> --joanie >>> >>> On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>>> Hello. >>>> >>>> I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I will >>>> play the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed below >>>> informations about currently playing movie. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From vsmiro@seznam.cz Tue Nov 5 17:02:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6880761A0 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:02:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86m3FbjxVOML for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxa2.seznam.cz (mxa2.seznam.cz [77.75.76.90]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623A67618C for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc9a.ng.seznam.cz (email-smtpc9a.ng.seznam.cz [10.23.11.15]) id 09659b8e1cfdc8d4088f6a92; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:02:13 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1572973333; bh=jZpdPIJeqAfuDE1PA6xCfbQP+8eUj77KT9S0ipi4CZE=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Language; b=IkXGuOUTbqt+t4Dw42mrf79Mn9kUmmowUhfFWdCCY2geEPwiCBc6OQKunDiYkS033 B8NLZximA7PyhcNiIlAwXRGXqFa09SOOIW3Jr+SM8iigI1g6fOdz/LVvZZpOHsK8X7 C35qt+usBZplq6PBfNEdeJq8PS+qMgU0ENQYTOD4= Received: from [192.168.1.118] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay8.ng.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.108) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:02:10 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:02:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: cs Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:02:13 -0000 Hello. And please, where can I download this for Debian 10 or Fedora 30? thanks. Best regards Vojta. Dne 05. 11. 19 v 17:52 Arkadiusz Kozioł napsal(a): > chromium-snapshot 80.0 > > Orca master, the newest commit. > > > W dniu 05.11.2019 o 17:06, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >> Sorry for the noise, but I vaguely recall that this was also an issue >> in Firefox. And that the issue was that YouTube uses live regions to >> present that information. If that is where the messages you're >> describing are coming from, then that is not an Orca bug or a browser >> bug; it's a YouTube feature that you don't like. I'm afraid Orca >> cannot reliably guess what live regions are good and something you >> want to hear. Therefore, try toggling off Orca's live region support >> when using YouTube. >> >> --joanie >> >> On 11/5/19 10:40 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's an >>> excellent chance Chromium bugs you find have already been fixed. The >>> bug you describe, however, is I think something I fixed in Orca. >>> >>> On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>> What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like >>>> something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then >>>> bug reports will not be helpful. >>>> >>>> --joanie >>>> >>>> On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>>>> Hello. >>>>> >>>>> I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I >>>>> will play the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed >>>>> below informations about currently playing movie. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 5 17:02:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79677618C for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:02:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mSpMGWF_KCsz for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6750176158 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:02:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=1W3xyzw5vH9eDi4jZxuWf+3QtlX3bSTsm9eiBcsaDgk=; b=Ylw27pKCZsXGBUtZ7oDOhhxMYfWwXRAXMf3OulWgRh79k94mDS3qBWc+WKVYdiP+fP97qXGodBuCWEjWZG5eCIIFLMf1aa3nNblXTyfy2eVGgNetgIwGYQ2X85quLI/RQbLj0cg+0SmxOgKFybRQOvOMwTZZgr7nSlj2xZQGsRWVDPmbJViHdNhz7KpuTq0kIxeVNprBVUtK4etWWFCSIw+t4VaTR3lr/cp0Sr3UEezlh3iD8QRpNnNdw6dKSvOCy7E6PbKq7mW2SbEwneSF7q3rGCHvDCsEE7smNAD/3cGiSGKuW/kq5Ks/SgGWArNRcbdfXNQwbxGOsH0pj/Ytyw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iS2E2-0005KD-JD; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:02:38 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:02:35 -0000 Does the problem go away if you toggle off live regions? --joanie On 11/5/19 11:52 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: > chromium-snapshot 80.0 > > Orca master, the newest commit. > > > W dniu 05.11.2019 o 17:06, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >> Sorry for the noise, but I vaguely recall that this was also an issue >> in Firefox. And that the issue was that YouTube uses live regions to >> present that information. If that is where the messages you're >> describing are coming from, then that is not an Orca bug or a browser >> bug; it's a YouTube feature that you don't like. I'm afraid Orca >> cannot reliably guess what live regions are good and something you >> want to hear. Therefore, try toggling off Orca's live region support >> when using YouTube. >> >> --joanie >> >> On 11/5/19 10:40 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's an excellent >>> chance Chromium bugs you find have already been fixed. The bug you >>> describe, however, is I think something I fixed in Orca. >>> >>> On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>> What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like >>>> something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then >>>> bug reports will not be helpful. >>>> >>>> --joanie >>>> >>>> On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>>>> Hello. >>>>> >>>>> I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I will >>>>> play the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed below >>>>> informations about currently playing movie. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From zywek-mailing@nvps.pl Tue Nov 5 17:49:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A22776158 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.92 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sydltb7eJj2E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nvps.pl (52.ip-145-239-89.eu [145.239.89.52]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DF9D76125 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (apn-37-248-41-93.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl [37.248.41.93]) by nvps.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B9785DE77 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:49:29 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= Message-ID: <9597c370-c64b-b4a4-b41d-f1db06e3c4c6@nvps.pl> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:49:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:49:26 -0000 Can you remind me, How to do it? W dniu 05.11.2019 o 18:02, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: > Does the problem go away if you toggle off live regions? > --joanie > > On 11/5/19 11:52 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >> chromium-snapshot 80.0 >> >> Orca master, the newest commit. >> >> >> W dniu 05.11.2019 o 17:06, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>> Sorry for the noise, but I vaguely recall that this was also an >>> issue in Firefox. And that the issue was that YouTube uses live >>> regions to present that information. If that is where the messages >>> you're describing are coming from, then that is not an Orca bug or a >>> browser bug; it's a YouTube feature that you don't like. I'm afraid >>> Orca cannot reliably guess what live regions are good and something >>> you want to hear. Therefore, try toggling off Orca's live region >>> support when using YouTube. >>> >>> --joanie >>> >>> On 11/5/19 10:40 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>> Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's an >>>> excellent chance Chromium bugs you find have already been fixed. >>>> The bug you describe, however, is I think something I fixed in Orca. >>>> >>>> On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>>> What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like >>>>> something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then >>>>> bug reports will not be helpful. >>>>> >>>>> --joanie >>>>> >>>>> On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>>>>> Hello. >>>>>> >>>>>> I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I >>>>>> will play the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed >>>>>> below informations about currently playing movie. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From didier@slint.fr Tue Nov 5 17:53:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B2576158 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wc5wZI6638da for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (smtp4-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.4]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBBE57615B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e34:ed09:d470:f98e:ae61:edb5:45b1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99B019F5D6; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:53:11 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <533c5033-4576-b92b-e962-a69605ff8b82@slint.fr> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:53:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] most current Jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:53:11 -0000 Hi Answering two posts in one (Jace wrote to me only). I stand corrected. I just didn't search well enough. I didn't contact Daniel Nash. I have no excuse as I heard of Jenux before (I even downloaded a previous ISO), so I should have saved the URL: https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/ however a bit of presentation somewhere of Jenux could help newcomers to know something about it and find the ISO... Didier Le 05/11/2019 à 15:50, Jude DaShiell a écrit : > https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.31-x86_64.iso > It's possible that is the last iso that will be produced Didier Spaier may > have contacted Danial Nash and learned this, I don't know for sure. > In order to check on that and keep off topic email off this list it's a > good idea to open: > https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/ > and once opened check the page for its content. Le 05/11/2019 à 14:43, Jace Kattalakis a écrit : > Since when? Last thing I got told a while back was it was being worked on. Curious when it was discontinued >> On 05/11/2019 10:43, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Jenux is a discontinued. If you want an accessible Arch system, try Tarch: >> https://tarch.org/ >> >> Didier >> >> >> Le 05/11/2019 à 10:20, adérito a écrit : >>> Hello, I can not download the new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux because the page is down or has been discontinued? it is not new INTAL Monthly Newsletter of jenux only INTAL Monthly Newsletter is 31 and can not enter the page to download it. From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 5 19:22:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EA47612B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:22:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ulGnYwGPVp9N for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6438760F5 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:22:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=0yeO4y9OdjNRIQoL02S9P2hTkR4BTElhcWbbvN6XqZ8=; b=gffA2LPlVsq+kgQvheVAB76x8K6HRVltjHk7TDrPW2ZCxn/f306Jjuv6B/Zot0GJebwB9croi9BGDbo1mLDPf7+wg3MxNk6wmpI0JkY2IWsM+zURXi/WtAxclSmd7MCYhcQ8vRu0KyyhngXlFrfCL1K2SNWZhvew6Yt0tYsyt+/Gfy16s0wSFzMWTg2716nNkNVtq7gQWaXX9g+YrtWeqPj0ORr6Kg5Qvd+9g19UV/7+vmv/9iX6ej4C/b2zwuLKE5FIhjZGNfeSUNDf+36Qd8g5cR853qmPHzYU8mRFURk9LEAHwmO7zSI+HDNG5hqsZlOCCxSnMgx2RV0o4V8ZpQ==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iS4Pe-0001N7-93; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:22:46 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: <9597c370-c64b-b4a4-b41d-f1db06e3c4c6@nvps.pl> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <524d60d4-b0e6-e1ac-f35a-2682f74bc974@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:22:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9597c370-c64b-b4a4-b41d-f1db06e3c4c6@nvps.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] chromium and youtube problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:22:46 -0000 You can toggle monitoring of live regions with Orca + Shift + Backslash. See https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/commands_live_regions.html On 11/5/19 12:49 PM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: > Can you remind me, How to do it? > > W dniu 05.11.2019 o 18:02, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >> Does the problem go away if you toggle off live regions? >> --joanie >> >> On 11/5/19 11:52 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>> chromium-snapshot 80.0 >>> >>> Orca master, the newest commit. >>> >>> >>> W dniu 05.11.2019 o 17:06, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>>> Sorry for the noise, but I vaguely recall that this was also an >>>> issue in Firefox. And that the issue was that YouTube uses live >>>> regions to present that information. If that is where the messages >>>> you're describing are coming from, then that is not an Orca bug or a >>>> browser bug; it's a YouTube feature that you don't like. I'm afraid >>>> Orca cannot reliably guess what live regions are good and something >>>> you want to hear. Therefore, try toggling off Orca's live region >>>> support when using YouTube. >>>> >>>> --joanie >>>> >>>> On 11/5/19 10:40 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>>> Also, if you're not using Chromium nightly, then there's an >>>>> excellent chance Chromium bugs you find have already been fixed. >>>>> The bug you describe, however, is I think something I fixed in Orca. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/5/19 10:35 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>>>> What version of Orca are you using. What you describe sounds like >>>>>> something I already fixed. If you are not using Orca master, then >>>>>> bug reports will not be helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> --joanie >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/5/19 4:23 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I discovered an error when I've started using chromium. When I >>>>>>> will play the movie from YT, orca says me another movies, showed >>>>>>> below informations about currently playing movie. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 5 20:08:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4F476123 for ; 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Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iS57U-0005I1-2G; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 21:08:04 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <7394ff69-b9af-76d7-47b2-ee7dd27a5875@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <2079c45e-1e7f-ee13-e04e-af3c3c191bcc@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:07:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7394ff69-b9af-76d7-47b2-ee7dd27a5875@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Say all and read by line doesn't give the same result on a web page with Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:08:02 -0000 This should now be fixed in both the master and 3.34 branch. --joanie On 10/30/19 10:28 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Hello, > > Tested environment: > - Debian 9 and 10 > - Orca 3.34 and master > - Firefox 68 and Nightly > > Steps to reproduce: > 1) Open this page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ > 2) Move on the title "Firefox by default shares data to:" > 3) Press down arrow > > Orca reads: > "Improve performance..." > > 4) Press up arrow to go back to the title at step 2 > 5) Launch say all > > Result: > Orca doesn't read "Improve performance..." and just say "heading level 2 > ...". > > Expected result: > Orca should read the title both in say all and when read with arrow keys > > Best regards. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From didier@slint.fr Tue Nov 5 20:40:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AA47612B for ; 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] most current Jenux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:40:41 -0000 For anyone wanting to find more Daniel Nash and his projects among which Jenux: https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/ From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 5 21:05:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BA076163 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l8Nl9g-8mpQi for ; 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Tue, 05 Nov 2019 22:05:22 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , Orca References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <020c4b15-49a9-d705-7ae3-c607f09a24b0@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:05:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 21:05:23 -0000 I can reproduce this. It looks like an Orca bug. I'm still debugging it, but will hopefully have it fixed before too long. I don't think it's a regression though. Or if it is, it's super old. I went back to Orca 3.30 and the problem happens there.... On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Hey folks, > > > The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into > making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm experiencing a > pretty significant issue with their new text entry system for messages > that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm wondering if any Orca users > are seeing the same, and if this can be diagnosed as either a > Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as something they aren't doing > correctly on their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. Once you > have one and are logged in, visit this instance with accessibility > improvements: > > > https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y > > > Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into the > message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter browse mode > and try arrowing up. > > > Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the accessibility > build and the development build at riot.im/develop. Orca, on the other > hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," followed by some buttons, > and focus lands back in the message entry field. The only way to escape > this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some other quick > navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the mud. Happens under > Orca master as of a few minutes ago and Firefox nightly as of a few days > ago, but it's happened for a bit now so I don't think it's a > bleeding-edge regression. Apologies for not reporting it--been a bit > busy and it hasn't been high enough priority for me. > > > Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix this? > They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the #a11y:matrix.org > room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to give it then there is the > best place, or I'll happily relay it otherwise. > > > Thanks a bunch. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From vilmar@informal.com.br Wed Nov 6 08:49:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA6A76136 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:49:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eLR5quReKIam for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com (mail-qt1-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 774567611D for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id x21so32851667qto.12 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 00:49:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=pOiIxsD6lw1TB52G6yYhM06ucmTTgw5Q63TCU9KVADY=; b=c1aH3Vc7sDetKpNmoM/XZJeCzT8UbbXb8b8s30cx7bfMXsm+SSTfc+m3W8NLBaAtJY se0VBTJ2d2sxZgxG+cAnCIma5YiwmdfFQcWrXX1uiXdgDiLl7UUBQtaIycPeIJ2mgEv7 hESynPqZAPPzTyzSGyfGj2WpRtUR+rOtLZCquBQW5mFqEyP4uU5xgIn73hxfTDl/Dd1l bIO4ZLJxLxjKNSQZQwWraNSPruh2HwxCqmy69BGY9POrXm/QCzPOEe9Yne4zrtdUbnCz v9UQop5lXKoh3xGV1X5hCFsQEvpzUHSMWorMqUYCRfskNNPgeoJlzRqubZrqOTCjGet9 3V0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=pOiIxsD6lw1TB52G6yYhM06ucmTTgw5Q63TCU9KVADY=; b=avZHwO4hxvOKe4nsN5FNLbLcR3irBqzBf9/U1FrGu+WpK58fDETPEJA2NNYsIvHPpU C3FFIYlaPVoqylK2us51cBk5MB/JhQKsdSpvQlWNfO7LgsQZ9Iqx1lu3/sn/BWO2h3Yg g/d72pRVZsN2iS3kk4hU7w2TFlUbidRmhB4Qn0qbRzzAPr2+EnoG+ZqoaGiTBSjBlSL8 rGfAnwZBvL23pGyRlmMc7iNb8YJ9ww3khoAuEsaQYBulGWIJVWIVEZWzcrX2fq1Pe/2b MaT8ZegpioSP0qBAIMWnDzfUkDX+abmIZmGZ6N8kJEH1cg8RhNiamOqSG1zB+KV4Ufuf bk5g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVYxFag14tEf8rRkLPgzj/y1Jb9ZJsqpsEhG3y5TBBqb1AcrCAj WXQ0XkFS8ELzDQvaAjM1BfunjOVnpv28dA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyfRSKkX0YRPYB3Y1xIlgmKl+vrMbC3kmxWb1qzGnUh37uip/Y6Jh2VwPHTxmXtE8jzTA+5pQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:66ca:: with SMTP id m10mr1347481qtp.298.1573030173285; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 00:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2804:14d:5c51:841d::1002? ([2804:14d:5c51:841d::1002]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o3sm22367856qtf.84.2019.11.06.00.49.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2019 00:49:32 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <7394ff69-b9af-76d7-47b2-ee7dd27a5875@hypra.fr> <2079c45e-1e7f-ee13-e04e-af3c3c191bcc@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 05:49:29 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2079c45e-1e7f-ee13-e04e-af3c3c191bcc@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Say all and read by line doesn't give the same result on a web page with Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 08:49:28 -0000 Hi Joanie. The bug seems to have been fixed. However I think I found another problem related to this page. When I use the say all command on this page and press the ctrl key to stop, orca says focus mode and after that I can't use the arrows to navigate the text. In order to navigate the text using the keys I need to switch to browse mode. Thanks. On 11/5/19 5:07 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > This should now be fixed in both the master and 3.34 branch. > --joanie > > On 10/30/19 10:28 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Tested environment: >> - Debian 9 and 10 >> - Orca 3.34 and master >> - Firefox 68 and Nightly >> >> Steps to reproduce: >> 1) Open this page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ >> 2) Move on the title "Firefox by default shares data to:" >> 3) Press down arrow >> >> Orca reads: >> "Improve performance..." >> >> 4) Press up arrow to go back to the title at step 2 >> 5) Launch say all >> >> Result: >> Orca doesn't read "Improve performance..." and just say "heading >> level 2 ...". >> >> Expected result: >> Orca should read the title both in say all and when read with arrow keys >> >> Best regards. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Wed Nov 6 11:39:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFFB760C6 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:39:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mfR569IS9k0u for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A991760C0 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:39:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=EpzpFdzKPZIO9ouik1eMK3bz/ffULe4Pg6QtlzvGuYI=; b=bqJcYnpyO5k4CQUNDocjuWFH/e3WuxupAfhHPz6Js45pD4+fJdOs5f4XPbsTEYyF+YnvFMeoeYsqO644+AqIIWTwTznJWadjiUig+s4Pqm+oOS2KHnUQm0xt+FJC8ySNgeejRCdLc0e4uvbBMHL4IBdErxDOmcaBrdBfw9jW2RZbnPbBx8IlUcWllJc/puniIP86Pqd9ilR0gF+F1UhO5FUXVjYPY1rhSNkviUhb9a4tLp0MkrvvpZiVNtNbQEdHzmEp1IFpSjleDHOFzNpWwYIBIzpTFfCeSDcc+xfIOaz1wo6mQ+NMZ225B2AWKicScAkZa6hjFlGJs2pFmp++WQ==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iSJf7-0000jJ-Tb; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 12:39:46 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <7394ff69-b9af-76d7-47b2-ee7dd27a5875@hypra.fr> <2079c45e-1e7f-ee13-e04e-af3c3c191bcc@igalia.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <3cde8e20-098c-2e2c-d428-ea6b6b348a66@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 06:39:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Say all and read by line doesn't give the same result on a web page with Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 11:39:48 -0000 That page has many expandable and collapsible headings so they are acting like widgets. If you happen to land on one when speech is interrupted, they get focus and Orca is putting you into focus mode so that you can interact with them. In focus mode, Orca does not control navigation; the web page does. Thus I don't think it's a bug. If everyone disagrees with me, then we can change it. On 11/6/19 3:49 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Joanie. > > The bug seems to have been fixed. > > However I think I found another problem related to this page. > > When I use the say all command on this page and press the ctrl key to > stop, orca says focus mode and after that I can't use the arrows to > navigate the text. In order to navigate the text using the keys I need > to switch to browse mode. > > Thanks. > > > On 11/5/19 5:07 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> This should now be fixed in both the master and 3.34 branch. >> --joanie >> >> On 10/30/19 10:28 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Tested environment: >>> - Debian 9 and 10 >>> - Orca 3.34 and master >>> - Firefox 68 and Nightly >>> >>> Steps to reproduce: >>> 1) Open this page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ >>> 2) Move on the title "Firefox by default shares data to:" >>> 3) Press down arrow >>> >>> Orca reads: >>> "Improve performance..." >>> >>> 4) Press up arrow to go back to the title at step 2 >>> 5) Launch say all >>> >>> Result: >>> Orca doesn't read "Improve performance..." and just say "heading >>> level 2 ...". >>> >>> Expected result: >>> Orca should read the title both in say all and when read with arrow keys >>> >>> Best regards. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From vilmar@informal.com.br Wed Nov 6 13:06:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D2976115 for ; 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Wed, 06 Nov 2019 05:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.64] ([189.60.5.161]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w26sm11077573qkf.59.2019.11.06.05.06.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2019 05:06:20 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <7394ff69-b9af-76d7-47b2-ee7dd27a5875@hypra.fr> <2079c45e-1e7f-ee13-e04e-af3c3c191bcc@igalia.com> <3cde8e20-098c-2e2c-d428-ea6b6b348a66@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:06:15 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3cde8e20-098c-2e2c-d428-ea6b6b348a66@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Say all and read by line doesn't give the same result on a web page with Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:06:16 -0000 In fact you are absolutely right. Even when I tab some links orca goes into focus mode. For me this behavior is ok now that I understand. Thanks. On 11/6/19 8:39 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > That page has many expandable and collapsible headings so they are > acting like widgets. If you happen to land on one when speech is > interrupted, they get focus and Orca is putting you into focus mode so > that you can interact with them. In focus mode, Orca does not control > navigation; the web page does. Thus I don't think it's a bug. If > everyone disagrees with me, then we can change it. > > On 11/6/19 3:49 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi Joanie. >> >> The bug seems to have been fixed. >> >> However I think I found another problem related to this page. >> >> When I use the say all command on this page and press the ctrl key to >> stop, orca says focus mode and after that I can't use the arrows to >> navigate the text. In order to navigate the text using the keys I >> need to switch to browse mode. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On 11/5/19 5:07 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> This should now be fixed in both the master and 3.34 branch. >>> --joanie >>> >>> On 10/30/19 10:28 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Tested environment: >>>> - Debian 9 and 10 >>>> - Orca 3.34 and master >>>> - Firefox 68 and Nightly >>>> >>>> Steps to reproduce: >>>> 1) Open this page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ >>>> 2) Move on the title "Firefox by default shares data to:" >>>> 3) Press down arrow >>>> >>>> Orca reads: >>>> "Improve performance..." >>>> >>>> 4) Press up arrow to go back to the title at step 2 >>>> 5) Launch say all >>>> >>>> Result: >>>> Orca doesn't read "Improve performance..." and just say "heading >>>> level 2 ...". >>>> >>>> Expected result: >>>> Orca should read the title both in say all and when read with arrow >>>> keys >>>> >>>> Best regards. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From aarnaud@hypra.fr Fri Nov 8 15:31:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7996C76168 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aJhHn3c4fDu4 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF1997612B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE0EB5832F2; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:31:40 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1573227100; bh=zgcEmKFTINuM9zFqBbQVDoUJJ0KTcnX9FdZ8q7VkerY=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=IHJnBheCM6pt7X1/EaNhsrhPjNRCeovpeV2IX3TFy701m2iy5ua3tAeeWMTrn1v0X gjTbX9aTboI6AaEw+B56W360yT2k4j813r2X+RAXhq1AiAqh1bR4/7gHREc2WFIKcv UrVllDa87aBuejRZwuwkN2i2vipNuBvS6LZBvRxY= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , Joanmarie Diggs , Orca List References: <7394ff69-b9af-76d7-47b2-ee7dd27a5875@hypra.fr> <2079c45e-1e7f-ee13-e04e-af3c3c191bcc@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:31:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DD8DCDD7C055BAE17FCF9AE9" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Say all and read by line doesn't give the same result on a web page with Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 15:31:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DD8DCDD7C055BAE17FCF9AE9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 06/11/2019 à 09:49, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza a écrit : > The bug seems to have been fixed. I confirm also that it is now fixed. Best regards. --------------DD8DCDD7C055BAE17FCF9AE9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 06/11/2019 à 09:49, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza a écrit :
The bug seems to have been fixed.
I confirm also that it is now fixed.

Best regards.
--------------DD8DCDD7C055BAE17FCF9AE9-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Fri Nov 8 15:46:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03647612B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:46:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YA0D6iemcDu8 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE681760FF for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6C335832F2; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:46:32 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1573227992; bh=QVBhR9X7P4zWuAfDHIk2OrrTVZCctxpoz5kGTEhA9Rg=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=L4SojUSJBHJe8aRRJGeo5rj/iE4aJcLwUHR1AViX3PMS6+xEz3wb0JwnkVAKiMv2A 1yptkYt+b7JqV2/xis+DPuQto39dPF18LiT93lH4Clgu8yyeRBq5FxC2sMH5+5RzQ8 DTpjoaJAIQH6VAAhRnSVu36/ll11mNFQFx+s7474= To: Joanmarie Diggs , =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , Orca List References: <7394ff69-b9af-76d7-47b2-ee7dd27a5875@hypra.fr> <2079c45e-1e7f-ee13-e04e-af3c3c191bcc@igalia.com> <3cde8e20-098c-2e2c-d428-ea6b6b348a66@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <64cc3d7a-15be-22a8-5bc1-1a371dd73f81@hypra.fr> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:46:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3cde8e20-098c-2e2c-d428-ea6b6b348a66@igalia.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3E6CC4EC3766B8A39DF399A3" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Say all and read by line doesn't give the same result on a web page with Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 15:46:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3E6CC4EC3766B8A39DF399A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 06/11/2019 à 12:39, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > That page has many expandable and collapsible headings so they are > acting like widgets. If you happen to land on one when speech is > interrupted, they get focus and Orca is putting you into focus mode so > that you can interact with them. In focus mode, Orca does not control > navigation; the web page does. Thus I don't think it's a bug. If > everyone disagrees with me, then we can change it. I've checked and NVDA doesn't have the issue on the same page. I think the NVDA behaviour is the right one in this situation because I don't see use case where switching in focus mode in such situation is practical. Best regards. --------------3E6CC4EC3766B8A39DF399A3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 06/11/2019 à 12:39, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
That page has many expandable and collapsible headings so they are acting like widgets. If you happen to land on one when speech is interrupted, they get focus and Orca is putting you into focus mode so that you can interact with them. In focus mode, Orca does not control navigation; the web page does. Thus I don't think it's a bug. If everyone disagrees with me, then we can change it.
I've checked and NVDA doesn't have the issue on the same page.

I think the NVDA behaviour is the right one in this situation because I don't see use case where switching in focus mode in such situation is practical.

Best regards.
--------------3E6CC4EC3766B8A39DF399A3-- From patrick@zajda.fr Fri Nov 8 16:25:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB1476117 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:25:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A4Xvbqu5KIAC for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from litchi.site-meganet.com (litchi.site-meganet.com [188.165.219.168]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1004E76102 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e34:eca6:84f0:feaa:14ff:fe90:1515] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e34:eca6:84f0:feaa:14ff:fe90:1515]) (Authenticated sender: patrick@zajda.fr) by litchi.site-meganet.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D3F91D20A27 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 17:25:39 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zajda.fr; s=default; t=1573230339; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Pu3Raz5rTaXd07Myp25pjNfv2EYjjKhjFD1cJE8Nmpg=; b=bK4YyXzkE+p6fQlQW9GsDq8zu3M4Y2kuH8M4Tz6tul8uMoDypmLoORGo7nJMR/W4R62CRd sA/eEmzFW9iW1cEnJYx2WAHEG9N6BdOll6f70rNzuTVvlW+9LqUhR2z5cPCmtgEMCM9ikD A35Ei1EaGe8OvDM0oUgHsx61LsCxuhs= To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <7394ff69-b9af-76d7-47b2-ee7dd27a5875@hypra.fr> <2079c45e-1e7f-ee13-e04e-af3c3c191bcc@igalia.com> <3cde8e20-098c-2e2c-d428-ea6b6b348a66@igalia.com> From: Patrick ZAJDA Message-ID: <992b4f84-85e9-f668-8e72-7b33e2f709b3@zajda.fr> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 17:25:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3cde8e20-098c-2e2c-d428-ea6b6b348a66@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Authentication-Results: litchi.site-meganet.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=patrick@zajda.fr smtp.mailfrom=patrick@zajda.fr Subject: Re: [orca-list] Say all and read by line doesn't give the same result on a web page with Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 16:25:37 -0000 Hello, I think say all should have the same behaviour as reading line by line. In this case, if we want to expand content, we can switch to focus mode manually, not sure interacting with content in this way is a most used use case when interrupting speech. Best regards, Patrick Le 06/11/2019 à 12:39, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > That page has many expandable and collapsible headings so they are > acting like widgets. If you happen to land on one when speech is > interrupted, they get focus and Orca is putting you into focus mode so > that you can interact with them. In focus mode, Orca does not control > navigation; the web page does. Thus I don't think it's a bug. If > everyone disagrees with me, then we can change it. > > On 11/6/19 3:49 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi Joanie. >> >> The bug seems to have been fixed. >> >> However I think I found another problem related to this page. >> >> When I use the say all command on this page and press the ctrl key to >> stop, orca says focus mode and after that I can't use the arrows to >> navigate the text. In order to navigate the text using the keys I >> need to switch to browse mode. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On 11/5/19 5:07 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> This should now be fixed in both the master and 3.34 branch. >>> --joanie >>> >>> On 10/30/19 10:28 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Tested environment: >>>> - Debian 9 and 10 >>>> - Orca 3.34 and master >>>> - Firefox 68 and Nightly >>>> >>>> Steps to reproduce: >>>> 1) Open this page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ >>>> 2) Move on the title "Firefox by default shares data to:" >>>> 3) Press down arrow >>>> >>>> Orca reads: >>>> "Improve performance..." >>>> >>>> 4) Press up arrow to go back to the title at step 2 >>>> 5) Launch say all >>>> >>>> Result: >>>> Orca doesn't read "Improve performance..." and just say "heading >>>> level 2 ...". >>>> >>>> Expected result: >>>> Orca should read the title both in say all and when read with arrow >>>> keys >>>> >>>> Best regards. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html -- Patrick ZAJDA Certification NVDA 2019 From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Nov 8 23:29:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F06E7613D for ; 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d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1573255748; bh=ftufULzBLRoCSfAzd/KKSJikbTT75xrGZn6TaQYBU9U=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:CC:References:In-Reply-To; b=cf0HwPAWGY4m7vS0nhkyKvRH+HMdC8wcBO8CKQmb02bTTGvQXnN1pMN3Abu0SPUK9 2RqnYR2KY9Z8WQFkEZ6gUbBomNWIoqWMHWwJH1A3XDdjSM4TNckDZSTbd9gPCdXd6c DwTthZzkoLGKgW8QKNlEB+X1eJ/gARuXSzoxD0ammjXOYvfahC2kMNILy4GIxmHNUy hyCzcREPa/eNJ/rq4HXODJLfI0c5j89xr/B2btzLRczu3NXP7sxHbDsh6AxQRBHz40 /kukk9TmzihBKlT2kGZLgGXziudth76FRMQe9e9+fe/5EfRdzSKxcH1h4JNVodu9pl MqaohjdrpnwOg== User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.1e.0.191013 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 18:29:08 -0500 From: Jason White To: Samuel Thibault , Jean-Philippe MENGUAL CC: Joanmarie Diggs , Message-ID: <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> In-Reply-To: <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Authentication-Results: svr.jasonjgw.net; auth=pass smtp.auth=jason smtp.mailfrom=jason@jasonjgw.net Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 23:29:04 -0000 =EF=BB=BFOn 11/4/19, 16:42, "orca-list on behalf of Samuel Thibault via orca-list= " wrote: Not everybody there think like that. Some are fine with having some support, but see some pieces of it as ugly hacks, and I can only agree: keyboard snooping and synthesis are very problematic. Discussions aroun= d FOSDEM should help to sort the situation out. =20 That's encouraging news. According to a Fedora-related interview in a recen= t Linux Unplugged podcast: https://linuxunplugged.com XWayland will become optional in a future Fedora release. I would not be su= rprised if other Linux distributions follow. To be specific, XWayland will o= nly be run if an application needs it. Pipewire is intended to support both low-latency applications that use Jack= for audio, and applications that use PulseAudio. In sum, it replaces the se= rver (daemon) side of both Jack and PulseAudio. What isn't clear to me is wh= ether Pipewire will also address the perennial problems of audio routing on = Linux systems (e.g., using Orca alongside a console-based screen reader). Pipewire also supports remote desktops under Wayland - as yet, so far as I = am aware, without any accessibility support that would enable braille or spe= ech-based access to a remote desktop. In the same interview, it is noted that user research is underway toward de= fining requirements for GNOME Shell 4. I don't know whether users with disab= ilities are included in that process, however. From chrys@linux-a11y.org Fri Nov 8 23:49:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CD07613D for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:49:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fAQppu8nxz9T for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay02.ispgateway.de (smtprelay02.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.36]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAA7A76125 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [95.90.219.227] (helo=[192.168.178.103]) by smtprelay02.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1iTE0G-0003cW-T6 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 00:49:20 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> From: chrys Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:49:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BAA229CA8E4BC14875D16FEA" Content-Language: en-US X-Df-Sender: Y2hyeXNAbGludXgtYTExeS5vcmc= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 23:49:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BAA229CA8E4BC14875D16FEA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Howdy, i m not an pipwire professional, but if i take a look at arch wiki, it doesn't look like it run system wide (whats currently the most big issue of CLI screenreaders, as most of them run as root, so in an different sound instance) systemctl --user status pipewire.socket systemctl --user status pipewire.service https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PipeWire but maybe there is an system wide service as well, as it seems to have an permission system. + it will take still a lot of time still it could considered as being ready cheers chrys Am 09.11.19 um 00:29 schrieb Jason White via orca-list: > > On 11/4/19, 16:42, "orca-list on behalf of Samuel Thibault via orca-list" wrote: > > Not everybody there think like that. Some are fine with having some > support, but see some pieces of it as ugly hacks, and I can only agree: > keyboard snooping and synthesis are very problematic. Discussions around > FOSDEM should help to sort the situation out. > > That's encouraging news. According to a Fedora-related interview in a recent Linux Unplugged podcast: > https://linuxunplugged.com > > XWayland will become optional in a future Fedora release. I would not be surprised if other Linux distributions follow. To be specific, XWayland will only be run if an application needs it. > > Pipewire is intended to support both low-latency applications that use Jack for audio, and applications that use PulseAudio. In sum, it replaces the server (daemon) side of both Jack and PulseAudio. What isn't clear to me is whether Pipewire will also address the perennial problems of audio routing on Linux systems (e.g., using Orca alongside a console-based screen reader). > > Pipewire also supports remote desktops under Wayland - as yet, so far as I am aware, without any accessibility support that would enable braille or speech-based access to a remote desktop. > > In the same interview, it is noted that user research is underway toward defining requirements for GNOME Shell 4. I don't know whether users with disabilities are included in that process, however. > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------BAA229CA8E4BC14875D16FEA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Howdy,

i m not an pipwire professional, but if i take a look at arch wiki, it doesn't look like it run system wide (whats currently the most big issue of CLI screenreaders, as most of them run as root, so in an different sound instance)
systemctl --user status pipewire.socket
systemctl --user status pipewire.service
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PipeWire

but maybe there is an system wide service as well, as it seems to have an permission system. 
+ it will take still a lot of time still it  could considered as being ready

cheers chrys
Am 09.11.19 um 00:29 schrieb Jason White via orca-list:

On 11/4/19, 16:42, "orca-list on behalf of Samuel Thibault via orca-list" <orca-list-bounces@gnome.org on behalf of orca-list@gnome.org> wrote:

    Not everybody there think like that. Some are fine with having some
    support, but see some pieces of it as ugly hacks, and I can only agree:
    keyboard snooping and synthesis are very problematic. Discussions around
    FOSDEM should help to sort the situation out.
    
That's encouraging news. According to a Fedora-related interview in a recent Linux Unplugged podcast:
https://linuxunplugged.com

XWayland will become optional in a future Fedora release. I would not be surprised if other Linux distributions follow. To be specific, XWayland will only be run if an application needs it.

Pipewire is intended to support both low-latency applications that use Jack for audio, and applications that use PulseAudio. In sum, it replaces the server (daemon) side of both Jack and PulseAudio. What isn't clear to me is whether Pipewire will also address the perennial problems of audio routing on Linux systems (e.g., using Orca alongside a console-based screen reader).

Pipewire also supports remote desktops under Wayland - as yet, so far as I am aware, without any accessibility support that would enable braille or speech-based access to a remote desktop.

In the same interview, it is noted that user research is underway toward defining requirements for GNOME Shell 4. I don't know whether users with disabilities are included in that process, however.



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orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html


--------------BAA229CA8E4BC14875D16FEA-- From didier@slint.fr Fri Nov 8 23:51:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834BE7613D for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:51:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m6K21UD-BW6D for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05B6276125 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977C278035D; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:51:49 +0100 (CET) To: Jason White Cc: Samuel Thibault , Jean-Philippe MENGUAL , Joanmarie Diggs , orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:51:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 23:51:46 -0000 Hi Jason, Le 09/11/2019 à 00:29, Jason White via orca-list a écrit : > What isn't clear to me is whether Pipewire will also address the > perennial problems of audio routing on Linux systems (e.g., using Orca > alongside a console-based screen reader). I have no problem running Orca alongside a console-based screen-reader. What is this perennial problem you are talking about? Best, Didier From chrys@linux-a11y.org Fri Nov 8 23:55:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648D776103 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:55:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u0elF1WfmW4h for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.103]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3542B760A9 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [95.90.219.227] (helo=[192.168.178.103]) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1iTE60-0004uF-0z for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 00:55:16 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> From: chrys Message-ID: <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:55:15 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Df-Sender: Y2hyeXNAbGludXgtYTExeS5vcmc= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 23:55:12 -0000 Howdy Didier, the problem he talks about is that CLI screenreaders run natural as background eamon. what requiers to be root for most part. i try to figure an solution for fenrir with storm and F123 but what isnt ready yet. this will make i.e. fenrir produce speech as root but the normal user isnt root. currently fenrir provides an script to pipe roots sound to the user to get the speech. cheers chrys Am 09.11.19 um 00:51 schrieb Didier Spaier: > Hi Jason, > > Le 09/11/2019 à 00:29, Jason White via orca-list a écrit : > >> What isn't clear to me is whether Pipewire will also address the >> perennial problems of audio routing on Linux systems (e.g., using Orca >> alongside a console-based screen reader). > > I have no problem running Orca alongside a console-based screen-reader. > What is this perennial problem you are talking about? > > Best, > > Didier > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From didier@slint.fr Sat Nov 9 00:10:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63947613D for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:10:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EYPHeJonqNpP for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B822A76103 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002BD780313 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 01:10:16 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 01:10:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 00:10:12 -0000 Howdy Chrys, I am aware that espeakup, speechd-up and fenrir run as root (I remember that we have discussed this matter about fenrir already), however I don't see how that brings an issue wrt coexistence with Orca, as once started they speak for regular users (as does Orca). What do I miss? Do you mean that all users can hear what the console screen reader says to one of them? Best, Didier Le 09/11/2019 à 00:55, chrys a écrit : > Howdy Didier, > > the problem he talks about is that CLI screenreaders run natural as background eamon. what requiers to be root for most part. i try to figure an solution for fenrir with storm and F123 but what isnt ready yet. > this will make i.e. fenrir produce speech as root but the normal user isnt root. currently fenrir provides an script to pipe roots sound to the user to get the speech. > > cheers chrys > Am 09.11.19 um 00:51 schrieb Didier Spaier: >> Hi Jason, >> >> Le 09/11/2019 à 00:29, Jason White via orca-list a écrit : >> >>> What isn't clear to me is whether Pipewire will also address the >>> perennial problems of audio routing on Linux systems (e.g., using Orca >>> alongside a console-based screen reader). >> >> I have no problem running Orca alongside a console-based screen-reader. >> What is this perennial problem you are talking about? 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 14:53:28 -0000 A while ago a problem was reported in which it was not possible to access the top bar using ctrl + alt + tab. Today I received in my arch box an update of gnome-shell and mutter that seems to have fixed this problem. More info: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1702 From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Nov 10 08:00:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A1676133 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 08:00:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v-67fLw4ZXnw for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 08:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt1-f182.google.com (mail-qt1-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8820676103 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 08:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-f182.google.com with SMTP id u22so12039020qtq.13 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 00:00:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=kQ8W/LpqEoB8P2oJZbvhhhwPubQVB3ZTFwqGNArOAFM=; b=M1R8YZ8UX1Nx7LfFLAnzANydp1J1tcDbAm6KH4e0BL3R43RWXYemW8tWFyUFiTP0BH 17Z1P8zgu65neL1HGswgBkQqnIzXjR0ZPScVXqm0GfDDp9HgoxDOWVLYHWjXuvS8n1jB 3edLCRdGIFnCb8xbdisRwrQ9t9pA4/0EPEfr3mGnXwWr7XY1hoz/GVSOSGrDWRyCr3dw iQEd8T73IKzFrnrC8k91zWmuSs8OA0oxF2eEN88oSsZ+xP9UpBkm/wM/d1pgNZ8zwaju X9Z3zjKoximdBDXC4ZGMUjnSMBh3Ed0XYPzXSuhAvGH3D0gb/oMTFARMosybmR6oJGw/ 3RtQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=kQ8W/LpqEoB8P2oJZbvhhhwPubQVB3ZTFwqGNArOAFM=; b=rvpc7nou/lcPJqkovcPMdb/rY8thd5q9Bgq6gnHE6SH1K+C61mgtniOxJM++atMKIm kKufgAycRrXzUsEzkMrTq7DS1/xm+mHHky/Smb7xEsPMD7jei+3+lXyMN5ttmL9CW1JD XDqEfEDwBbPWWQnkpzXgGg6fYKogyukcSkH3Z2Dk5bLLa9NtbyWOy7KR4JSBz8hJWYpn tkB4Yh4yg9D3k9NL8asJlDoXEH6eOWm+9Fh4YPSGK3UO2N7zWdDQgac7o5SWrIWe6Dzi ldzTwwKbwXvV+VHmwHlUrmNlvLWFTvRpDL9Dp40jqjRMNiY5VeD5k00PmgaPHQB3DF8z UD9A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU2znC/DlKdu5qNM6wFHRfU5uZvElQroTlHcpMJYnM3ImlfeP6Z Khjvq4/2htyaQJChPy0lsInQGOnMMOtKjg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxw2DqVQoTM2uefZDz0nTtps5uBVMX2ly9HZUooTSZ06cOkGqqf+0pPudxkDqPsyJAn1IVkTA== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:605a:: with SMTP id k26mr18761471qtm.212.1573372809417; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 00:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2804:14d:5c51:841d::1000? ([2804:14d:5c51:841d::1000]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h21sm4405430qkj.116.2019.11.10.00.00.07 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Nov 2019 00:00:08 -0800 (PST) To: orca From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 05:00:05 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] Orca seems to be giving wrong information regarding item position X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 08:00:06 -0000 Hi all. To reproduce try the following steps. 1. Launch FF and go to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues. 2. After the page loads press alt + ctrl + h to display the header list. Expected: Orca should announce the number of items as well as the first item on the list. Got: Orca announces the number of items, the first item in the list, and reads the item's position as 3 of 6. There is the same behavior for other elements like links, lists, buttons and etc. The problem only happens if I am using orca compiled from the master branch. Thanks. From milton@duurzaamdigitaal.org Sun Nov 10 09:18:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF857610A for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:18:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.102 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B4Zb0mEX8Qir for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web0112.zxcs.nl (web0112.zxcs.nl [185.104.29.68]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1C8C76103 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:18:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=duurzaamdigitaal.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zqsGWi67uLeUqZe2T/bvdwcWCNBbLphLByBQyA1f89w=; b=rz93OhSR6HWAFNISYZYrs5CWz/ jMEd9XgaSTqZS32iNK5Z9crqfchCYx/8FNbFk/0MrFR0TXY2b3gPr1Aa7iH5iS6jrB/49HQlbWAB5 tXUuIakmtGFbQir9cAZ7/SD9QvOssx97Bw6vFI1Vea6Tnk63vi/W7WQUQk4qJdZpmBjRB/6+EQWRB BB/p6Mp6ipWYm2ZYizvJs53ZtyYJoPawuFX5dR1A5ktfseICkfQ8Ck6Rvh+dsJcmWFpQGLaG3ScVZ CbOORnCx+5fOUwbf7gCOyCPPkXuQIASpuXUmJIuRX9lh4UGfgf6RUvYPGGfGL6/sCTBN9ApbCByA8 LTE4lwZA==; Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl ([87.209.80.208]:45338 helo=[192.168.1.6]) by web0112.zxcs.nl with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTjMO-003Mqg-3v; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:18:16 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , orca References: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> From: Milton Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:18:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: nl-BE X-Authenticated-Id: milton@kleinbedrijf.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca seems to be giving wrong information regarding item position X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:18:12 -0000 Hi José, For my understanding I thought alt + shift + h shows the list of headers instead of alt + ctrl + h to display the header list? Milton Op 10-11-19 om 09:00 schreef José Vilmar Estácio de Souza: > Hi all. > > > To reproduce try the following steps. > > > 1. Launch FF and go to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues. > > > 2. After the page loads press alt + ctrl + h to display the header list. > > > Expected: > > Orca should announce the number of items as well as the first item on > the list. > > > Got: > > Orca announces the number of items, the first item in the list, and > reads the item's position as 3 of 6. > > > There is the same behavior for other elements like links, lists, > buttons and etc. > > > The problem only happens if I am using orca compiled from the master > branch. > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From halim.sahin@t-online.de Sun Nov 10 11:42:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B5B7610A for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:42:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ipc9cO9Acrud for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:42:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 562 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:42:16 UTC Received: from mailout01.t-online.de (mailout01.t-online.de [194.25.134.80]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C074760FC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de (fwd11.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.152]) by mailout01.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id AF89C42F60A2 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:32:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from its.thm.de (X7CBxrZarhUfOGmWMwK28J7RAXVFYx-bfqTY+nxGSYq8w6lm+ODhdICEEwO83-5wJW@[212.201.7.245]) by fwd11.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1iTlSl-20XVJo0; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:32:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:32:56 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171215 X-ID: X7CBxrZarhUfOGmWMwK28J7RAXVFYx-bfqTY+nxGSYq8w6lm+ODhdICEEwO83-5wJW X-TOI-MSGID: c49ae636-20e2-4287-982a-e729a0486e70 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:42:18 -0000 Hi, On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 01:10:16AM +0100, Didier Spaier wrote: > you mean that all users can hear what the console screen reader says to > one of them? May be he means that a running orca which would use pulseaudio by default blocks the audio device. Then you can't play sound using your console screenreader which runs with a dierent useraccount. This is not a new issue but unresolved since pulseaudio exists. Regards Halim From jdiggs@igalia.com Sun Nov 10 14:18:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28EF7610A for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:18:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jni_Y2y09Vrh for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D990D760EC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:18:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=PWZMNGZ5xlt7Xbrtt0RFG75jtLHZpm+eLyOdMX7nAz4=; b=Px5kJNAgogdaV+N3Ax7uCSmNeaMChhGtExVw6B5BQH39ZOYurAqLosURROsF1g5Oetc7J7jx5SwFSKIE/Vcjv95C3znWIt6q5ZyFBaoRw9Wh9QZaaphD4dPuGm6O8ecdX3Dv1bqH1k0/TktBZKMPT0qfmsuwx42xXooegtMeHYyuUBA36ZMoceWhWzYAY5AWOFU6hYb8Lu7k+MkfySuTnsgcYHApHwNouPrU9x4TL1tpJePn7TFaELunlyUwrZ2215giNuVfSilkcf/4dmUR3qy4WO0dohZBGrXpQbIeF2/S38rYtYWqYUPQoVSGs2xtnOxjmwDh+9jCIWAoM2ILJA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iTo30-0005ym-Pj; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 15:18:35 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , orca References: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4e54e8d5-b58f-066e-5f4d-c74e0a046bde@igalia.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:18:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca seems to be giving wrong information regarding item position X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:18:33 -0000 Will take a look. Thanks! --joanie On 11/10/19 3:00 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > > > To reproduce try the following steps. > > > 1. Launch FF and go to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues. > > > 2. After the page loads press alt + ctrl + h to display the header list. > > > Expected: > > Orca should announce the number of items as well as the first item on > the list. > > > Got: > > Orca announces the number of items, the first item in the list, and > reads the item's position as 3 of 6. > > > There is the same behavior for other elements like links, lists, buttons > and etc. > > > The problem only happens if I am using orca compiled from the master > branch. > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Sun Nov 10 14:28:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18C076133 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:28:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d1GobridIVK3 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0A13760EC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=MWf6qWv11cs2mjw6DuYYhupi6kKD4lwhoOzbM8fLtg0=; b=iXuPDWFsPiAFRB1ObajhJi2jcoGc+fPgRuugsc690gVxag9kTe7aRr69cl03GZxbcjIoEU30uG0Kt10gKpaWYQ7BKvqjJ7hDDKuUoxOGw2YmugXG6BcPqu6hYTrrXKEdr32ae3Dvqy6HXhoZP7xamlkVrWEBhqDXqP86gDly5fqy1Xiqt5vxqsUP/p2tLZLUZpd9NLi3iBsXwEACCevgZ9tvGf/UlT3Wcu3YUX0WQoCWhUTzPaN2szs2IUYbkwkZcfTd6b2MvYVeBDxokNGGOu3byLSMccXW/hE5VMFn884pL7gJ9FRtBiwt9CnQzLRRDtaDEbPfRDFAsy9uH/49/g==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iToCG-0006cu-V8; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 15:28:09 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , orca References: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <48b0ad5f-518a-65be-874a-bec72c60b4b4@igalia.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:27:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca seems to be giving wrong information regarding item position X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:28:05 -0000 Hey José. Is there any chance that you have "speak child position" enabled in your Orca preferences? The speaking of child position was something I recently added. And if I uncheck "speak child position" in the Orca preferences, I do not hear it. The position "3 of 6" is wrong, so that I will fix. --joanie On 11/10/19 3:00 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > > > To reproduce try the following steps. > > > 1. Launch FF and go to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues. > > > 2. After the page loads press alt + ctrl + h to display the header list. > > > Expected: > > Orca should announce the number of items as well as the first item on > the list. > > > Got: > > Orca announces the number of items, the first item in the list, and > reads the item's position as 3 of 6. > > > There is the same behavior for other elements like links, lists, buttons > and etc. > > > The problem only happens if I am using orca compiled from the master > branch. > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Nov 10 17:09:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F89760EE for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:09:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PhXM2pKxGTFP for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt1-f178.google.com (mail-qt1-f178.google.com [209.85.160.178]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3053760EC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-f178.google.com with SMTP id o49so13028275qta.7 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:09:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=gaj1Yr8smqFOl21bNJBt5WU7tgZzS2BfdnDvxDZMv+w=; b=YFN1ev2xn08FDV6v7E1b25D3AhQki4qrkHS6Xf1yDvO5BPb0KTU80k9EzWNEiDJoVD dtGrjFCqhVVOKr0zRw4pkSecV8PhjUQF7o+0abxMNkg/AVihIH5DIP3GIGOrBP8/+g7c hlHTmF8PhqEfORivwRuDmkKFGya/5mnUuDbEA8+UBrQUmqRiGz5YQre4f/4w3BKZckTW kNbdb7twSoJX0DHxgyY0i3d0thx66Ng3VLMoIbTNdeAvubUfQi7WQIbp9AfdqLOADXmx zQ6N7XTMwOg/bPtR5GpWOb6D8/IiWHfpND/Rk/K19XlWRgEj4JOhJAQrgmKvktbfVTqS kfRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=gaj1Yr8smqFOl21bNJBt5WU7tgZzS2BfdnDvxDZMv+w=; b=air8veD9EP4pbXOXpMLJzCUxFj7UB0SM8I0VWMhhRfgMkKooPfRVyhAVJJUCClSHNQ ZwQxM24qEu4Iwb9AVv2cfHOnPmDoE0X6NooVeNlXXHThZRVbrLx9mesUknpvPQFTeXw0 b5Wuu/ILK7pjfrNx6FlEJOMtsPC3vN8cgfcywzQolnVJ7srK4YNn+Sg7fLVEKz/pgoWh byzojAVkp7kr+ErEOi8UGHjTzOUWXu7NhSlZVrrkV+gzULW+4evJYinC4/SGLSY6qfQi UxSkQXOjJRHJJka129BGnYFC2IZE3l8wtvGT3bdF9j6TzdTpV8bGZN6VH1D/SX154pcF Gs9g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXGQpUGKRCoqxwEPKp3UAN2Mmt4DCyBmNCsJUqpVEAaiieHz78V fUQpmrgWc6YnYQbHnn7io9/T2/y6XuQsZA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwQSpWchQesVmLT4Dx83p2v/bv7Qcnr/FwSzDwWp65sceiWVzc5CIfkcYIJ4wGvp6lu73Rqug== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:70c5:: with SMTP id g5mr22776580qtp.344.1573405785072; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2804:14d:5c51:841d::1000? ([2804:14d:5c51:841d::1000]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g126sm6420319qkb.133.2019.11.10.09.09.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:09:44 -0800 (PST) To: Milton , orca References: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:09:41 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca seems to be giving wrong information regarding item position X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:09:41 -0000 OOPS! You're absolutely right, the correct one is alt + shift + h. I think it was the lack of coffee that made me go wrong! Thanks. On 11/10/19 6:18 AM, Milton wrote: > Hi José, > > > For my understanding I thought alt + shift + h shows the list of > headers instead of alt + ctrl + h to display the header list? > > Milton > > Op 10-11-19 om 09:00 schreef José Vilmar Estácio de Souza: >> Hi all. >> >> >> To reproduce try the following steps. >> >> >> 1. Launch FF and go to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues. >> >> >> 2. After the page loads press alt + ctrl + h to display the header list. >> >> >> Expected: >> >> Orca should announce the number of items as well as the first item on >> the list. >> >> >> Got: >> >> Orca announces the number of items, the first item in the list, and >> reads the item's position as 3 of 6. >> >> >> There is the same behavior for other elements like links, lists, >> buttons and etc. >> >> >> The problem only happens if I am using orca compiled from the master >> branch. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Nov 10 17:19:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D470760EE for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:19:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DDCy020ueggf for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk1-f173.google.com (mail-qk1-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13C88760EC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id d13so9335391qko.3 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:19:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=gtnTaOpVV381G4w7zaUnV9ygwSyJ24Kont7GEtbQsn0=; b=HPmHY/7KmNayxCSOBscBYIy+NGwZf5H5ajcGi+OJcyo+lMq8awDqpLHNK9PaEF9OGx eqSlVzG8lIve8pF67oxwID0KS1McTvdLONSS8Dm2p3YLRuV3ZhGyk+6sBqueYke6ZiUC PKaixwRl6wgv/ZUbqwjrV5q4xVAeR8cdPWj65Mdh8TwXHKiWdkPe+mei3A7gt2sMV5eM qwqERuhes7HDTb5PAfk3rafZAOl15QdemWIt7EvcRrA0aiELADddyVzM6EwE16XNvWaq 9DLd95Bij4wzEP3lY6OFOrHzsPKS05IKhrjlXQKBP2mL5NaK7VUdmg8jlWICdqsir7Ic WodQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=gtnTaOpVV381G4w7zaUnV9ygwSyJ24Kont7GEtbQsn0=; b=B4HTkyER9Z9tke1rDW3pJHxsjlhjrnkn8OwV2PTXgH+FNSxoupqjAWsRtaly1OgzGc 1yF8FFezKo0LGh71iju2UaPYoUew4O7O36nrKyOrwrRSsRZCQ/zOCeeEt1o5JBLvjw9s eFQTjLCbMJ/k5WWaA4/FxXUXIx+tr6oZcMF7SIOavO0nTKEPShQ0enN7Jtez8cX8mPr4 mgXTifsWYQS8kbthk46DLdbqkNaZgaA06Oy1t97RdFDoLu3GC4w3I7uEG0cfkHbpLC4G MIbBVd71wMUUJ95KK6+4Q7X7ipRTKItmnpAzZVqWfzeEp7NT20WW1wcjFtfJ8RcdmA7D jCJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXUwvRwIcSI9lcQvlhPzego9Ujp1wzMugeX+mWzECUyeoJhLFJa IyHr/IECDR/qzkkf7tS5boY4L1MAODi2Dg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwuCb3DF6SG3tnS+WjJGnn6QlTIlt4q/1QSnicJJ8fO43L5bQCwDgyF5Py/WkKiXAAiSmqGtw== X-Received: by 2002:a37:388:: with SMTP id 130mr6976315qkd.378.1573406369309; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2804:14d:5c51:841d::1000? ([2804:14d:5c51:841d::1000]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a18sm6602846qkc.2.2019.11.10.09.19.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:19:28 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , orca References: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> <48b0ad5f-518a-65be-874a-bec72c60b4b4@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:19:26 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48b0ad5f-518a-65be-874a-bec72c60b4b4@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca seems to be giving wrong information regarding item position X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:19:24 -0000 Hi Joanie. In orca preferences the "speak child position" option was enabled. As soon as I unchecked this option the position of the item is no longer informed. Thanks. On 11/10/19 11:27 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey José. > > Is there any chance that you have "speak child position" enabled in > your Orca preferences? The speaking of child position was something I > recently added. And if I uncheck "speak child position" in the Orca > preferences, I do not hear it. > > The position "3 of 6" is wrong, so that I will fix. > > --joanie > > On 11/10/19 3:00 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> >> To reproduce try the following steps. >> >> >> 1. Launch FF and go to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues. >> >> >> 2. After the page loads press alt + ctrl + h to display the header list. >> >> >> Expected: >> >> Orca should announce the number of items as well as the first item on >> the list. >> >> >> Got: >> >> Orca announces the number of items, the first item in the list, and >> reads the item's position as 3 of 6. >> >> >> There is the same behavior for other elements like links, lists, >> buttons and etc. >> >> >> The problem only happens if I am using orca compiled from the master >> branch. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From jdiggs@igalia.com Sun Nov 10 18:30:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5A6760FF for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:30:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4P9K2fpuaiqT for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2441760EC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:30:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=bCB3ovxZk6w9apYQZwJI9z9HplBdz7feQuV0WV9FQ6Y=; b=p/XBWPTepxTzlk2MYanK4avSxtcOjQeBB3fxJMfxiUpl71qra1CTscHVbiuf9mdXQzzrlOGbwg+Jz7Pz+s24Tc4Muzlq74QjMFK6ZW62tVApPA4aYfWZ1eYSdWSGmuBfWc99pdnPuKrtAThz4v05x5+g9dNPbWrMFW/9m1ydcrzKK78Z6Oe6Bc99b1DkeW30dAxbMYApflMS9W7JTRA185p9gZ98k5sWMgtN+6aR8utBYLdTDY9lC5Ulkr981QCP9g7pzSM7RKqNAs9gXLAbMMV/C98nNq9aUMdcSLMRtHdbJ5VFNbvXDkH3WfdieDVvYEiHO8tcApImzsFJMZKX0Q==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iTryZ-0007TI-Vb; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 19:30:16 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , orca References: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> <48b0ad5f-518a-65be-874a-bec72c60b4b4@igalia.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:30:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca seems to be giving wrong information regarding item position X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:30:15 -0000 If you pull master, and re-enable speak child position, you will hopefully find that the count is now correct. Thanks for the report! --joanie On 11/10/19 12:19 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Joanie. > > > In orca preferences the "speak child position" option was enabled. As > soon as I unchecked this option the position of the item is no longer > informed. > > Thanks. > > > On 11/10/19 11:27 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Hey José. >> >> Is there any chance that you have "speak child position" enabled in >> your Orca preferences? The speaking of child position was something I >> recently added. And if I uncheck "speak child position" in the Orca >> preferences, I do not hear it. >> >> The position "3 of 6" is wrong, so that I will fix. >> >> --joanie >> >> On 11/10/19 3:00 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >>> Hi all. >>> >>> >>> To reproduce try the following steps. >>> >>> >>> 1. Launch FF and go to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues. >>> >>> >>> 2. After the page loads press alt + ctrl + h to display the header list. >>> >>> >>> Expected: >>> >>> Orca should announce the number of items as well as the first item on >>> the list. >>> >>> >>> Got: >>> >>> Orca announces the number of items, the first item in the list, and >>> reads the item's position as 3 of 6. >>> >>> >>> There is the same behavior for other elements like links, lists, >>> buttons and etc. >>> >>> >>> The problem only happens if I am using orca compiled from the master >>> branch. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Nov 10 18:35:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52111760FF for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:35:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34h7SfJCn8Ti for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AE0B760EC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B98713227B; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:35:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1573410922; bh=uYTNRw8xKjBtDUhJVsiRaVpjqBfmeWX1TBwpeD9rsQo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=DcfYrUQGXxpIKYaogonBqxXkR8NFv8g7G5O8/hX1iBAZAFtyg3Zx91csKjt3r6hWT XPGfWsjVl/XLAeyQxOe0sYQkrtvU6GKnccw8QHeaMQ+q267k8WEi2Kfmtmk7799Vfl 9cWMvjM6sCdEu1W88nM/cmOJwYUPLtPHP3vpa4qy+AvvCFpHRV6DlX7V56mFORGSoN YcYXQt+JYIOSiZI7yNYOxzzRZpqxeFFA+Gg2ykMxxcFphInHSk2q9xXh80Z0ABC3vy pZRwziSaDL5EawO/nByQTw51ZuL041o+ykZ6xyqaZtW6PGaj5IkPylslG+cHqKs/VH F7+ImALd1sJ8Q== Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:35:22 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:35:18 -0000 Halim Sahin wrote: > May be he means that a running orca which would use pulseaudio by > default blocks the audio device. > Then you can't play sound using your console screenreader which runs > with a dierent useraccount. > That is indeed one of the problems. A second problem (probably a manifestation of the same issue) is that if you connect a USB audio device (e.g., headphones), audio from the console screen reader won't be redirected to it. > This is not a new issue but unresolved since pulseaudio exists. And it all works fine in every other non-Linux operating system that I've tested. The question is whether Pipewire offers a good opportunity to address these long-standing issues. PulseAudio is going away, and Pipewire appears to have substantially more features. From didier@slint.fr Sun Nov 10 19:30:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8DA760EC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id whjtFguswnUE for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 19:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D43B760C6 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 19:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0DE780331 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:30:57 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <12aff536-d027-1403-3c72-a81098c48f12@slint.fr> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:30:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 19:30:55 -0000 Hi, actually Orca sent the text to be spoken to SpeechDispatcher, which directs the audio stream to one of these applications: alsa pulse oss nass libao This application to use is set in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf as the value of AudioOutputMethod. Having in this file: AudioOutputMethod "pulse" does not necessarily block the audio device. I doesn't if you set dmix as the default sink in /etc/pulse/default.pa as we do in Slint: ### In Slint, we want to share audio resources between speech apps that ### rely on alsa and other apps that rely on pulseaudio. load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix load-module module-alsa-source device=dsnoop This allows to hear the screen reader on the console even while Orca is running. As an aside, we also set in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf AudioOutputMethod "libao" and in /etc/libao.conf: default_driver=alsa and other choices are available for the libao default driver: esd pulse and oss. anyway as long as pulse is properly set other choices can work as well: it's just a matter of properly setting available software. So there is no issue with orca, puseaudio or any other upstream software, the issue is the default settings found in some distributions. Hence, such issues should be brought to the maintainers of the packages of these distributions, for istance the audio team for Debian. Best, Didier Le 10/11/2019 à 12:32, Halim Sahin a écrit : > Hi, > On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 01:10:16AM +0100, Didier Spaier wrote: >> you mean that all users can hear what the console screen reader says to >> one of them? > > May be he means that a running orca which would use pulseaudio by > default blocks the audio device. > Then you can't play sound using your console screenreader which runs > with a dierent useraccount. > > This is not a new issue but unresolved since pulseaudio exists. > > Regards > Halim From didier@slint.fr Sun Nov 10 20:39:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51065760EE for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:39:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FDedg5hbTxaB for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1EB0760C6 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A115A780316 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:39:40 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:39:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:39:37 -0000 Hi, as I answered to Halim, this issue can be resolved with proper settings, so I disagree with this sentence: > This is not a new issue but unresolved since pulseaudio exists. Or if you mean that it's not unresolved with Debian default settings, then as I wrote in my previous answer this issue should be raised with its audio team (which Samuel already pointed out months ago). About PulseAudio going away, don't hold your breath: it won't ever replace Jack, but is good enough for its target use cases. I never heard about Pirewire and an internet search came empty. Could you please provide so pointers? Best, Didier Le 10/11/2019 à 19:35, Jason White via orca-list a écrit : > Halim Sahin wrote: > >> May be he means that a running orca which would use pulseaudio by >> default blocks the audio device. >> Then you can't play sound using your console screenreader which runs >> with a dierent useraccount. >> > > That is indeed one of the problems. A second problem (probably a manifestation > of the same issue) is that if you connect a USB audio device (e.g., > headphones), audio from the console screen reader won't be redirected to it. > >> This is not a new issue but unresolved since pulseaudio exists. > > And it all works fine in every other non-Linux operating system that I've > tested. > > The question is whether Pipewire offers a good opportunity to address these > long-standing issues. PulseAudio is going away, and Pipewire appears to have > substantially more features. From didier@slint.fr Sun Nov 10 20:42:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD46760FC for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:42:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YpGbKAdhGqw2 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E848760F9 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7F5780333 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:42:16 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <46867da0-649e-66a2-cd27-6376046f3396@a-fs.cz> <591ff170-d9aa-01bb-7062-c443ce950a3a@igalia.com> <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:42:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:42:11 -0000 I should have written: Or if you mean it's unresolved with Debian default settings, sorry for the mistake Le 10/11/2019 à 21:39, Didier Spaier a écrit : > Or if you mean that it's not unresolved with Debian default settings, From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Nov 10 23:58:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BB4760D0 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:58:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s1E6tFBkyxpk for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42EBF760C6 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D2BB73227B; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:58:59 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1573430339; bh=dM4/eNXGrHHojqQp/byn0SjhgZtSaTLTk6PVnuVJ6lw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Wp2s8jIsmvthGfGDO8Me8FvdmhnOZHKog5D2U2kNH2gMI6QIuMMKQEMP4NZBRKJqc xk7WOCafRBpHq+JMblu9xqHRp+dCFwNEdKbwPkUimfllRzFDENtcAusdYPBc4qKLMu imoiXPwCzlzmWg2vPyA8lb/i2DMoI5u5OMN1YuCWsnD1pTueDoeeB6NMAtbbOVejXd M/DCph4bCU60Ia4H3KlZO4g5qHWvC4xJtc52qPKbQM1wDYNofi8BKdmwzgzZDgVaKK neMgF09TD1KZdrQRHFEizv1j6ZTq2PUdMb7M/ZLH3HSwgKpcZS6gpVvbhpzLleQTvr k8Pu57FTBeXWg== Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:58:59 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191110235859.s57uvzwx2hpa5txk@svr.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:58:55 -0000 Didier Spaier wrote: > About PulseAudio going away, don't hold your breath: it won't ever > replace Jack, but is good enough for its target use cases. > Pipewire aims to replace both PulseAudio and Jac. > I never heard about Pirewire and an internet search came empty. Could > you please provide so pointers? https://pipewire.org/ From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Nov 11 00:36:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC6C760EE for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:36:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wf12G__kNV9z for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk1-f175.google.com (mail-qk1-f175.google.com [209.85.222.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37804760D0 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-f175.google.com with SMTP id d13so9852980qko.3 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:36:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=eIOJYcusDXi9JKUR07mwDkOYtYbYve5TovtswuXnj7U=; b=sZvyJRWbOC4kx+U0TNjC90SwLpjDQ9YZb3jmr/flB3FMsGq8pjchZRId0obWLp2Ma+ 459h1Ey1xKt0dvGrap0gVCGU6s2Ijzm1RHuoS9DJKDnMjCcIKrjKL8uPB5bOO9WRMvW1 /k8SxBg+O6xrZzigxyI91QhY6uKKMkPFObEiKjpK9cJY64SUqdo1NVQuyEN5VmS72kx2 5vM0j88rK9uMF/dwlPyhpSBvrrnieLy/baiQgEht1P1rfnOeeLJhd+ls4nMq4vnQmqEH yRVvOdjPh2m2NCS4IVp6EOVj8EZzbuYYJCadnkcRjCheEn8PbalWyEGeMdpaJ3L87wZW 8qnA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=eIOJYcusDXi9JKUR07mwDkOYtYbYve5TovtswuXnj7U=; b=OP4VwXFEevjQljWAjQP3CFdFCvcuIbFq0yVTbr7cMmHkxhhHi+vIMF6xURlIck4ZjB z93ynQfAJgzpP6XniG8a5WDCtFH13PgE4yCNSvX3PoYcPx3V/f+EbzOcCKoFiyvnC8EU hBLAngh+L62AaFdNwxJlr9I1culgMoP3PO/zfq7ZBgJc58NnH3oCyNyMxr/X2hSAS7LZ k0IupnlhiUSfnFXsExDf6G9ffzr4b7sescmSfgbKDALk5UgVoP9JiY1KO64z7v8066i1 NQfqvai8dlhv452i7aFdltM0aGUAo2deFb01s2Dwu+0expyRgwnzDuYfdLKzTl5WNVoQ oCNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXVF+E7q+RZ7OK/cdjXOLmaX9q/R7b4phHvFcxjex4Ssl8ha+1e ZabKB0a4xSrtHMN2m0uGouxamd50qmeJhg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxyMFVWhAG7XsW2obMpmk8dHB8uZhbWwVwlyBxQwFJ6mXF+pcsApmRzK9EaXq/T772ENgM7VA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2046:: with SMTP id d6mr5215766qka.183.1573432583999; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2804:14d:5c51:841d::1000? ([2804:14d:5c51:841d::1000]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y29sm9589650qtc.8.2019.11.10.16.36.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:36:23 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , orca References: <43ac1b30-2d56-64d9-05c9-e279aa6ad7a0@informal.com.br> <48b0ad5f-518a-65be-874a-bec72c60b4b4@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: <5639e21a-2094-c36b-4ca8-922f5723e7a7@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:36:20 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca seems to be giving wrong information regarding item position X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:36:19 -0000 This is confirmed. Thanks. On 11/10/19 3:30 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > If you pull master, and re-enable speak child position, you will > hopefully find that the count is now correct. > > Thanks for the report! > --joanie > > On 11/10/19 12:19 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi Joanie. >> >> >> In orca preferences the "speak child position" option was enabled. As >> soon as I unchecked this option the position of the item is no longer >> informed. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On 11/10/19 11:27 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> Hey José. >>> >>> Is there any chance that you have "speak child position" enabled in >>> your Orca preferences? The speaking of child position was something >>> I recently added. And if I uncheck "speak child position" in the >>> Orca preferences, I do not hear it. >>> >>> The position "3 of 6" is wrong, so that I will fix. >>> >>> --joanie >>> >>> On 11/10/19 3:00 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> >>>> To reproduce try the following steps. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Launch FF and go to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. After the page loads press alt + ctrl + h to display the header >>>> list. >>>> >>>> >>>> Expected: >>>> >>>> Orca should announce the number of items as well as the first item >>>> on the list. >>>> >>>> >>>> Got: >>>> >>>> Orca announces the number of items, the first item in the list, and >>>> reads the item's position as 3 of 6. >>>> >>>> >>>> There is the same behavior for other elements like links, lists, >>>> buttons and etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> The problem only happens if I am using orca compiled from the >>>> master branch. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 11 09:41:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9F8760FF for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:41:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tw5cH_v98c7Z for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00E68760EE for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DE6780350 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:41:11 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <06765935-489e-d45a-dd9c-f9ff1b0a4450@poczta.onet.pl> <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> <20191110235859.s57uvzwx2hpa5txk@svr.jasonjgw.net> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <9fa98fba-3d48-5382-cb7e-592008fc82f7@slint.fr> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:41:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191110235859.s57uvzwx2hpa5txk@svr.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:41:07 -0000 Hi Jason, Thanks for the link. Le 11/11/2019 à 00:58, Jason White via orca-list a écrit : > Pipewire aims to replace both PulseAudio and Jack. Well, that's a simplification if I understand well this page: https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/wiki and the Ideas page: https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/wiki/Ideas simply suggests: Think about reimplementing PulseAudio features Think about reimplementing JACK features If that happens this will need several years (probably many). Out of curiosity I will try these instructions: https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/wiki/Building-and-Running I am not sure at all they can work outside Fedora, but it doesn't hurt to try. Best, Didier From halim.sahin@t-online.de Mon Nov 11 11:51:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959F9760FF for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:51:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sqcdQBL6MIbn for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout09.t-online.de (mailout09.t-online.de [194.25.134.84]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 701CF760EE for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd20.aul.t-online.de (fwd20.aul.t-online.de [172.20.26.140]) by mailout09.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id CADCE426BF3B for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 12:51:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from its.thm.de (Vy13KeZAQhi7ghZfHMa+3Or711XpikRK12DIRNAI7PArqVfH3JKfIxB1wztlJMYQYA@[212.201.7.245]) by fwd20.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1iU8ER-1kJLMm0; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 12:51:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 12:51:41 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191111115141.223jhrasiozidzsb@its.thm.de> References: <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171215 X-ID: Vy13KeZAQhi7ghZfHMa+3Or711XpikRK12DIRNAI7PArqVfH3JKfIxB1wztlJMYQYA X-TOI-MSGID: 1541cf52-eedb-4b66-a6bd-3a4ee3ab0c48 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:51:42 -0000 Hi, I am aware that it can be configured to use dmix because I've written it many times in this list and speechd lists. But it doesn't change the fact that pulseaudio develeopers do not recommend to use dmix. Using dmix doesn't resolve the mentioned usb headset problem as well. HTH. Halim On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 09:42:16PM +0100, Didier Spaier wrote: > I should have written: > Or if you mean it's unresolved with Debian default settings, > sorry for the mistake > > Le 10/11/2019 21:39, Didier Spaier a crit: > > Or if you mean that it's not unresolved with Debian default settings, > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Mon Nov 11 14:38:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D760760FF for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:38:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j44RKJpjhbkL for ; 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191111115141.223jhrasiozidzsb@its.thm.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jceD1rMMTJ5FrL582oDsaDOAhYPXvS9pY" X-ONET_PL-MDA-SEGREGATION: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:38:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --jceD1rMMTJ5FrL582oDsaDOAhYPXvS9pY Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="hLiPnt2cUvbM05jcazywMuHc8UDALi96e" --hLiPnt2cUvbM05jcazywMuHc8UDALi96e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W dniu 11.11.2019 o=C2=A012:51, Halim Sahin pisze: > Hi, > I am aware that it can be configured to use dmix because I've written i= t > many times in this list and speechd lists. >=20 > But it doesn't change the fact that pulseaudio develeopers do not > recommend to use dmix. > Using dmix doesn't resolve the mentioned usb headset problem as=20 Please never say that you solved an issue when it was in fact a workaround. Even worse, an unrecommended workaround. And I don't believe they didn't recommend it for a reason. So, these issues are not and were never fixed, they are just something that can be at least partially worked around. well. > HTH. > Halim >=20 > On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 09:42:16PM +0100, Didier Spaier wrote: >> I should have written: >> Or if you mean it's unresolved with Debian default settings, >> sorry for the mistake >> >> Le 10/11/2019 =C3=A0 21:39, Didier Spaier a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >>> Or if you mean that it's not unresolved with Debian default settings,= >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/= stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/s= table/a11y.html >=20 --hLiPnt2cUvbM05jcazywMuHc8UDALi96e-- --jceD1rMMTJ5FrL582oDsaDOAhYPXvS9pY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAl3JcCkACgkQmRxoPZnI FPnv7QgAmYf2puc1dzeJmsZNtN+QHQ0UkPx9Tek941h55AzCBFzPlBkUHjt8EpDP w68bNwDI4xCmmDEgoKfQWpsA1TUBq4THSKuU9lRiSL4yqFRGygIXbkSe4z+ZmJpq TX2Lpxd8RdwqtGAbYeRhDqB67bgxCLIJuz8LbWKIPKNg4n3QTkezougrGlhScEEO Qo1jgJwdbHA3q2Ib418698qho1PPrferswFlh0VcCsj7PpsvHpT/t8s7UM9DGijR hAPn9Uf8ueM9oppzaMlV+QMVUIm57YEgDZAq7hIMEg1FVAvo59dMXUkK5uCoBZ+T etbx2TNBTn61nvp4C+Sv8C8M7sN+tA== =Gmeg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jceD1rMMTJ5FrL582oDsaDOAhYPXvS9pY-- From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 11 17:04:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B598E7615A for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:04:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KSELMXa0QIFo for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ACBC76159 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F144F7803A3; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:04:33 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20191104214144.7uvypu735g7bp24b@function> <6BD0FE7E-0D29-4418-9C15-C9214F5B6DAE@jasonjgw.net> <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> <20191111115141.223jhrasiozidzsb@its.thm.de> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:04:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:04:31 -0000 Hi, Sorry, I have to disagree with both of you . Le 11/11/2019 à 15:28, Michał Zegan a écrit : > W dniu 11.11.2019 o 12:51, Halim Sahin pisze: >> Hi, >> I am aware that it can be configured to use dmix because I've written >> it many times in this list and speechd lists. >> >> But it doesn't change the fact that pulseaudio developers do not >> recommend to use dmix. Where did you read that pulseaudio developers do not recommend to use dmix? Why? And when did they make this recommendation? Please provide links to sustain this claim of which I am not aware. I have read on Archwiki (so not from a pulseaudio developer) under "ALSA/dmix without grabbing hardware device", link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#ALSA/dmix_without_grabbing_hardware_device this "Note: This section describes alternative configuration, which is generally not recommended." However the Arch user who wrote that don't say why he or she why this would be "not generally recommended". All I know is this is the default setting in Slint and nobody complained about it so far. >> Using dmix doesn't resolve the mentioned usb headset problem as well. I fail to see how this issue is related to the other one. Anyway a solution is proposed in ArchWiki, link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Automatically_switch_to_Bluetooth_or_USB_headset Did you try it? > Please never say that you solved an issue when it was in fact a > workaround. Even worse, an unrecommended workaround. And I don't believe > they didn't recommend it for a reason. So, these issues are not and were > never fixed, they are just something that can be at least partially > worked around. If they did recommend it for the reason, this reason should be stated. Where has it been stated? Me, I will never follow a technical advice given without a stated rationale that I can (try to) understand. Anyway this is the Orca mailing list, not a Fedora or PulseAudio mailing list, and I very much doubt that posting about these issue here will make either the developers of PulseAudio or the maintainers of Fedora aware of it, let alone take care of it as they probably won't read this thread and even if they do, the will probably want to have it stated instead in some kind of bug tracker or issues list. Best regards, Didier From halim.sahin@t-online.de Mon Nov 11 18:16:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAA57611B for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:16:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CTvyWSqs16I5 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout02.t-online.de (mailout02.t-online.de [194.25.134.17]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8888476124 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd19.aul.t-online.de (fwd19.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.65]) by mailout02.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CD1441A57AF for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:16:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from raspberrypi (XdgU8aZX8hKGswouzsBPb8NgkEi2l6M9kRvDM7831PwU0CmHjdwJRboH6K3zWM5Qyy@[46.81.100.12]) by fwd19.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1iUEEx-1KdTF20; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:16:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:16:37 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191111181636.65hnhejr6p6mzkxn@raspberrypi> References: <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> <20191111115141.223jhrasiozidzsb@its.thm.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-ID: XdgU8aZX8hKGswouzsBPb8NgkEi2l6M9kRvDM7831PwU0CmHjdwJRboH6K3zWM5Qyy X-TOI-MSGID: 1d63178f-a38c-4f12-8a00-0867526a2a9b Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:16:37 -0000 Hi, https://www.spinics.net/lists/pulse-audio/msg06949.html HTH. Halim On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 06:04:33PM +0100, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry, I have to disagree with both of you . > > Le 11/11/2019 à 15:28, Michał Zegan a écrit : > > W dniu 11.11.2019 o 12:51, Halim Sahin pisze: > > > Hi, > > > I am aware that it can be configured to use dmix because I've written > > > it many times in this list and speechd lists. > > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact that pulseaudio developers do not > > > recommend to use dmix. > > Where did you read that pulseaudio developers do not recommend to use > dmix? Why? And when did they make this recommendation? > Please provide links to sustain this claim of which I am not aware. > > I have read on Archwiki (so not from a pulseaudio developer) under > "ALSA/dmix without grabbing hardware device", link: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#ALSA/dmix_without_grabbing_hardware_device > this "Note: This section describes alternative configuration, which is > generally not recommended." However the Arch user who wrote that don't > say why he or she why this would be "not generally recommended". > All I know is this is the default setting in Slint and nobody complained > about it so far. > > > > Using dmix doesn't resolve the mentioned usb headset problem as well. > > I fail to see how this issue is related to the other one. > Anyway a solution is proposed in ArchWiki, link: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Automatically_switch_to_Bluetooth_or_USB_headset > Did you try it? > > > Please never say that you solved an issue when it was in fact a > > workaround. Even worse, an unrecommended workaround. And I don't believe > > they didn't recommend it for a reason. So, these issues are not and were > > never fixed, they are just something that can be at least partially > > worked around. > > If they did recommend it for the reason, this reason should be stated. > Where has it been stated? Me, I will never follow a technical advice > given without a stated rationale that I can (try to) understand. > > Anyway this is the Orca mailing list, not a Fedora or PulseAudio mailing > list, and I very much doubt that posting about these issue here will > make either the developers of PulseAudio or the maintainers of Fedora > aware of it, let alone take care of it as they probably won't read this > thread and even if they do, the will probably want to have it stated > instead in some kind of bug tracker or issues list. > > Best regards, > > Didier From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Mon Nov 11 18:42:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4865076124 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:42:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0yo2lkRRl2Yt for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm1-f48.google.com (mail-wm1-f48.google.com [209.85.128.48]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3EB27611B for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm1-f48.google.com with SMTP id l1so396437wme.2 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:42:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=3nd7GX5xedhsvHC8LSATwHZ3I+XSYSHp4ZkkrdbUUnc=; b=mZ7Z6TKKWdQqi/1qpaKghd061Q0v6pW92JwERVVVMxqUMVLEey1RSKyAPHAgSRmn/t x5P2620XBmMshVnznsZlDj3yRmKr2XvS/tiDhl6xVwIOGoL66C+TmgUnmFTxg16ZpjGk xFkmzpM7IrXWfi4DieobYUf5FFW2xJdd1+Nuve7CpH3PUSlktxQeH8+gYjZxyRh85LVT WG75Oy7Cw5wjcCpQWg2deUU1f5ksX3KzrE2VGP/q6jsgBoWIb8ecr/x3bScBLR8vqY1l oQg9up1s7wWF623XKGKJ8W3Yv2aTiY+sVNtQZKyAaGq61sI2HMpcy/yTaLJyRGBv8XYb Z9EA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=3nd7GX5xedhsvHC8LSATwHZ3I+XSYSHp4ZkkrdbUUnc=; b=gh+u4/qD2t+TR4W5b66eYD7+Z1a41yIgZ2+3d8lJRELm8mYL/X9rXNZi5yTEsUPM/A BWk1yxOVPGrjEG1eDwh6dffUyW4OiMVP//7GgY4GEnO9wP1FwTWMFeT8nRBfKHeWgsy4 9vBZy15ULdMe2BH9YZamr3CqZMQ0gnqivRxZqDfUrBnTZwlLYOo06iF3S4KQ3J5Wv50+ zKcB5rqKixlnefxVF1EVRH6yxVnbLlicHbFGzARUPwTGSD+geenDwjwYFrORBmox8hnz PuTrtmEDm5aXMSimO51L+tfI0LcxLsz7XQK+b3znpvG3I18RRdZdD555UWulsyNr/Qsn GWMg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVjZA75nMLE+XusBSe4MT4oE18uxysudWRgCmZDbm7to4UA5oX9 5iJASbL1lW5V5EsoWP1HZbgnHFvj X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxESxNrVofYpuNcJv5dqF5PTVRI4BX8AD1rM9Cl/NYvLdEksc2GF9bZQB74kebZAZ+La6T/2g== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:23c1:: with SMTP id j184mr331716wmj.83.1573497728276; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from xu4.kyle.tk (2606-a000-111a-8d0a-0000-0000-0000-0f17.inf6.spectrum.com. [2606:a000:111a:8d0a::f17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r15sm34887413wrc.5.2019.11.11.10.42.07 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:42:07 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> <20191111115141.223jhrasiozidzsb@its.thm.de> <20191111181636.65hnhejr6p6mzkxn@raspberrypi> From: Kyle Message-ID: <3f0e42e0-1b76-1fba-9ddb-e6f623502c55@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:42:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux armv7l; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191111181636.65hnhejr6p6mzkxn@raspberrypi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:42:04 -0000 Unfortunately the link you provide to the message on the PulseAudio email list only says that redirecting to dmix is a "really bad idea," but doesn't specify why this is the case. I can only speak from my own experiences with dmix, but using it here has been anything but smooth on most of the devices I've tried. Speech tends to trip over itself for one thing, i.e. one utterance begins before the previous utterance has completed. This especially seems to affect speech interruption in a terminal where output tends to scroll and chatter a lot. Latency while dmix is being used is also a huge problem wherever I have used it. Unless the alsa front end utilities and plugins such as dmix have improved significantly, I can only say that from where I'm sitting, dmix looks like a pretty ugly work-around even if Pulse isn't redirecting through it. Imetumwa kutoka jana From halim.sahin@t-online.de Mon Nov 11 18:58:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480947615F for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:58:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ksYgH971xq71 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:58:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 2540 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:58:29 UTC Received: from doozer.poeml.de (doozer.poeml.de [178.254.54.228]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F21C7615D for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from p2e51640c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([46.81.100.12] helo=raspberrypi.fritz.box) by doozer.poeml.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1iUEEY-0000dj-V1 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:16:15 +0100 Received: from pi by raspberrypi.fritz.box with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iUEEW-0001Jp-Hh for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:16:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:16:11 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191111181610.oc6jupkaghiwbdyy@raspberrypi> References: <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> <20191111115141.223jhrasiozidzsb@its.thm.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:58:31 -0000 Hi, https://www.spinics.net/lists/pulse-audio/msg06949.html HTH. Halim On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 06:04:33PM +0100, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry, I have to disagree with both of you . > > Le 11/11/2019 à 15:28, Michał Zegan a écrit : > > W dniu 11.11.2019 o 12:51, Halim Sahin pisze: > > > Hi, > > > I am aware that it can be configured to use dmix because I've written > > > it many times in this list and speechd lists. > > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact that pulseaudio developers do not > > > recommend to use dmix. > > Where did you read that pulseaudio developers do not recommend to use > dmix? Why? And when did they make this recommendation? > Please provide links to sustain this claim of which I am not aware. > > I have read on Archwiki (so not from a pulseaudio developer) under > "ALSA/dmix without grabbing hardware device", link: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#ALSA/dmix_without_grabbing_hardware_device > this "Note: This section describes alternative configuration, which is > generally not recommended." However the Arch user who wrote that don't > say why he or she why this would be "not generally recommended". > All I know is this is the default setting in Slint and nobody complained > about it so far. > > > > Using dmix doesn't resolve the mentioned usb headset problem as well. > > I fail to see how this issue is related to the other one. > Anyway a solution is proposed in ArchWiki, link: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Automatically_switch_to_Bluetooth_or_USB_headset > Did you try it? > > > Please never say that you solved an issue when it was in fact a > > workaround. Even worse, an unrecommended workaround. And I don't believe > > they didn't recommend it for a reason. So, these issues are not and were > > never fixed, they are just something that can be at least partially > > worked around. > > If they did recommend it for the reason, this reason should be stated. > Where has it been stated? Me, I will never follow a technical advice > given without a stated rationale that I can (try to) understand. > > Anyway this is the Orca mailing list, not a Fedora or PulseAudio mailing > list, and I very much doubt that posting about these issue here will > make either the developers of PulseAudio or the maintainers of Fedora > aware of it, let alone take care of it as they probably won't read this > thread and even if they do, the will probably want to have it stated > instead in some kind of bug tracker or issues list. > > Best regards, > > Didier From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 11 19:15:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EB776168 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:15:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VFO4h44ZIKVF for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F6C576164 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C707802CE for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 20:15:44 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> <20191111115141.223jhrasiozidzsb@its.thm.de> <20191111181636.65hnhejr6p6mzkxn@raspberrypi> <3f0e42e0-1b76-1fba-9ddb-e6f623502c55@gmail.com> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <026ff30b-2fa4-0987-2da1-7fb08be93e73@slint.fr> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 20:15:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3f0e42e0-1b76-1fba-9ddb-e6f623502c55@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:15:40 -0000 Hello Kyle, Le 11/11/2019 à 19:42, Kyle via orca-list a écrit : > Unfortunately the link you provide to the message on the PulseAudio email list only says that redirecting to dmix is a "really bad idea," but doesn't specify why this is the case. Furthermore this dates back more that 9 years ago, as this message was posted on Tue, 5 Jan 2010. > I can only speak from my own experiences with dmix, but using it here has been anything but smooth on most of the devices I've tried. Speech tends to trip over itself for one thing, i.e. one utterance begins before the previous utterance has completed. This especially seems to affect speech interruption in a terminal where output tends to scroll and chatter a lot. Latency while dmix is being used is also a huge problem wherever I have used it. Unless the alsa front end utilities and plugins such as dmix have improved significantly, I can only say that from where I'm sitting, dmix looks like a pretty ugly work-around even if Pulse isn't redirecting through it. That's interesting. Which version if alsa (and pulse, case occurring) do you currently use? and are you currently using PulseAudio? I will point to your message on the Slint mailing list and ask if people observe the same issues. Best, Didier From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Mon Nov 11 19:40:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E757611B for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:40:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JYgsMN14I3yq for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr1-f44.google.com (mail-wr1-f44.google.com [209.85.221.44]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4C92760F9 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id s5so4867459wrw.2 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:40:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=CUZjcdrIIkwNyz8LFJPOBvzhsHkk5NKDNBU6ODkLNuY=; b=J9veddmU3PPHXDiAJPbZ0a8zjWDxpRW3kFkmgzlrzu3rCoQf4k1/VPGhMBvgAYbZWQ wVAAniK91QaiGfNdZzfygLCvNQehwjXKWu3UQvQkqOwfSFeeJp1wn/eWBOF8gLyVNrO7 DY15eYPshH8nyTmGLua57FTXNEDXQN2t8jxTlq6RC7u02ogc+lYIoyVCPwjemqcQxP0Z jquSUx2VPa0OcEB699XY2UFsdrhfKDCvOObiO5fF21dlbuh7jQNIK4LYAigzRtyKa+Wt Bs8qy3eI8VBiIn/QmyQ/sEb1xkeN0/Gnbcq2VB4sV1L4PkY2fLOGX3IyPxUakPpEBqxD 65tQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=CUZjcdrIIkwNyz8LFJPOBvzhsHkk5NKDNBU6ODkLNuY=; b=M+swBnZtwuCl0OffYw5PTNnziVguO9N+jW4LqaO8e5B+teWCkKVl+HK2n+wOvAhc+2 yjzmt88HgGpZEcEXAaokvmyDUjcmbqYjMuxufjbVFhq30JFUJo1kkUEHcQ21PwL+BMHB LZ8QsCS3sPEvOxHmQAF6sUabgplcta41v5W9BEpEvALVZS2COu8UW7lazI3Pmu0YUFCB c2z5so3JDZCaqFTLVY0fU7aMp+Vy0IS/MNptc8LXpoI21GkFh+0ijH1/DuPH4NmXwB28 pegGmj7sSrilouQt5jgby7HPXWN/vfmMF3yH6bRz/ichf9vuVQAlOz26xEJVUFJpEYE+ dAaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWnSFLwTovpq3KXn1t55yQInUu0uNHx6xenF5BHOheOehQ6b/dY QePGoalzzgjBjRetYkAuNF6slPTq X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyxiYq3y+NeUq6hnWCq2U5JvszFGiqD2BRj34FPK58zlivYGnwhWAUyDWs2T7EI5qMtLz1lOA== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6a4c:: with SMTP id t12mr48135wrw.141.1573501221411; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from xu4.kyle.tk (2606-a000-111a-8d0a-0000-0000-0000-0f17.inf6.spectrum.com. [2606:a000:111a:8d0a::f17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v10sm657065wmg.48.2019.11.11.11.40.19 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:40:20 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <885bd907-ebee-4087-0341-4501f7641420@slint.fr> <6af59943-9b9a-26f0-84a6-beaabd7e03b0@linux-a11y.org> <20191110113256.qddg5tf4rstjlxzr@its.thm.de> <20191110183522.fccqsszjycgqaxju@svr.jasonjgw.net> <20191111115141.223jhrasiozidzsb@its.thm.de> <20191111181636.65hnhejr6p6mzkxn@raspberrypi> <3f0e42e0-1b76-1fba-9ddb-e6f623502c55@gmail.com> <026ff30b-2fa4-0987-2da1-7fb08be93e73@slint.fr> From: Kyle Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:40:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux armv7l; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <026ff30b-2fa4-0987-2da1-7fb08be93e73@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility broken under Wayland Fedora 31 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:40:17 -0000 Didier Spaier aliandika: > That's interesting. Which version if alsa (and pulse, case occurring) > do you currently use? and are you currently using PulseAudio? I use nothing but Pulse on all devices except Raspberry Pi, as it seems pretty badly broken there. The last time I tried dmix was about 3 years ago, and had the problems with it then that I describe, which started before Pulse was even widely used, I think close to 12 years ago. My audio output options in speech-dispatcher also must default to Pulse, because with the exception of the Raspberry Pi, other output options either refuse to output speech or crash randomly, even as recently as 6 to 8 months ago. I haven't seen any fixes or other changes that have been made over the past 2 to 3 years that seemed like I should try any of these options again to see how well they work now, although for some reason, others have reported far less trouble than I have experienced. Having said all this, I haven't tested most of this stuff recently, as I move further away from inconsistent text interfaces, using the MATE desktop for nearly everything except package management and simple file manipulation, as I can do these things in an open terminal with a running shell without any real difficulty, and I do still find it easier to type in short commands with tab completion where necessary than to move files around using multiple file manager windows open and cutting and pasting and such. The exception is when I need to select a ton of files from one place and copy or move them, which becomes far easier from the Caja windows. In any case, Fenrir, although it still requires running a script to redirect system Pulse to a user-spawned session, has solved most problems with text and graphical modes playing nice together in my recent tests. Imetumwa kutoka majaribu yangu From nolan@thewordnerd.info Wed Nov 13 21:55:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6837611D for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:55:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pg_Ww7_joAW0 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F5E776117 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2546B21EF0 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:55:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=90ybFS NYQzyAz30ko4mPutoUlQXCRnV5u2hv01Dmc9A=; b=aalxo8DCX770EdWsegiQ8K Ygki4YRyhBZywZT7+Agnm1BUpY3Fr0tB1o1i+lVjgfiUfNpGtse41gHomDeeJvx2 cD+978eu8kYe5gTR4ZalyiqvweW/HfyMjQEg5JvVsjFZyIsHZrOeWw6y5CCRSoSe 4h261TpFX5qs2nDN47Ut+hlVGYBZQ/TzLsZW+KxVYfzJljJeGsqdw978P4wyZcDS khtmaQ97v5m5fElUxFyXiHwQ9EMAyHaVugYhSNw3S4IX5d88el/oYK+uBj4g2KQX 91yHqFbKekuAGfCALRgQNEyLE34mJ16uskW+IW/ShZVtPvjGorBj42vQx3tavntg == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefuddgudehkecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepvffhuffkffgfgggtgfesthejre dttdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgrnhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgv fihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhenuc fkphepjedtrdduudehrdduheefrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehn ohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpe dt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A461180061 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:55:25 -0500 (EST) To: Orca From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <0be23100-d4be-d84f-8461-0193aa31cfa9@thewordnerd.info> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:55:24 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] sheets.google.com exiting sticky browse mode X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:55:20 -0000 On recent master and Firefox nightly, sheets.google.com keeps forcing me out of sticky browse mode into sticky focus mode. I get why sticky focus mode may be the default here, but I'm trying to explore the interface a bit, so being in browse mode would help a lot. Is there some reason Orca forces me out of sticky browse mode? That would seem to negate the sticky... :) Thanks. From jdiggs@igalia.com Wed Nov 13 23:13:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD3676124 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:13:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBt6tNR2N2gn for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C585676117 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:13:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=Wvptp7A4VfweJHs7jl8+CWtUOCcNqFvcpR0FunfZJ7g=; b=eSAuKydyV9TDpGN+VxugpLZy+lS0a4wXBpdbGIu7LcF8JGjuqefBhXcQenBntkYC4rwz2OWTMLTuif9B4J9oBQBQ5RgiX80Gfv84Zueh15glOAqPEGJ6XCwndret74dUaT66FGqRcs85/StzL9Icpk22DKG5xj4CU1o/NCJhpK2ZjFkpWJlSqSr4YOm+87l/fEr5gbs9j6nqLrzlfX7xIreKXhRbi5hJyrGXq8jWvOMUCh2+fG/pHJTvKPJESTBD220xD5ZtYvdtTY5Rio9wk6kxUV6vwprm1Y25eFC2lThGUcB+718K6AqLac+Dzmvnl2acHYKqFse8ANcRjRWduw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iV1pb-0001M5-Nu; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:13:47 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , Orca References: <0be23100-d4be-d84f-8461-0193aa31cfa9@thewordnerd.info> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <5280d03c-b4d5-9162-d262-b458a69e893b@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:13:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0be23100-d4be-d84f-8461-0193aa31cfa9@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] sheets.google.com exiting sticky browse mode X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:13:47 -0000 Are there 100% reliable steps with which I can reproduce this problem? If so, please tell me what they are. If not, could you please capture a full debug.out for me? Because you're right, Orca shouldn't be kicking you out of sticky browse mode. I'd like to see what's triggering it. Thanks! On 11/13/19 4:55 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > On recent master and Firefox nightly, sheets.google.com keeps forcing me > out of sticky browse mode into sticky focus mode. I get why sticky focus > mode may be the default here, but I'm trying to explore the interface a > bit, so being in browse mode would help a lot. > > > Is there some reason Orca forces me out of sticky browse mode? That > would seem to negate the sticky... :) > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From nolan@thewordnerd.info Wed Nov 13 23:19:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2A876124 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:19:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mZC7C1ZQ-uul for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A886176117 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D7022165; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:19:28 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=2+9wh86TIJQm+OLGhvLSxvETo2yPk9H5tF8p86LJd 5g=; b=ZZf2Ug2up/qYlOBEfKzrOkwsSUEPyGJaGl4rjSAMDw8wRarDU4LB+vU4s 30Syxy/VdHud30jlQJTbYgqyew1NLvyE6tC8BKzkuk8Cs8YzHml/pjuYVK4iTVmv nWVGOLgu4NBCuNQAWhUlUxr2BhfJr0xNmVcMYqrzbjWRf1Odd7DGi3ysQ3FXlOxV Egf6luE67MaiMRU+fbqCnTgyDF2GUi/oJ1tF8uFpw7QSaiucwyIT6FvR5z/Xk+Us r9enVXZ9jBX2oxPzbMulX7XnIqkiCL9CqE7BxeAFvrqjGPTvCe91R3NI/sp2q0aO L8HwdlYEQMnlFZbEbRMxhhfG1R9Ag== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefvddgtdejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgr nhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqne cuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhomhgvrdhorhhgpdhgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhenucfkphepjedt rdduudehrdduheefrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnohhlrghnse hthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1035580060; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:19:28 -0500 (EST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Orca References: <0be23100-d4be-d84f-8461-0193aa31cfa9@thewordnerd.info> <5280d03c-b4d5-9162-d262-b458a69e893b@igalia.com> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:19:27 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5280d03c-b4d5-9162-d262-b458a69e893b@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] sheets.google.com exiting sticky browse mode X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:19:24 -0000 It's happened on two sheets I've opened thus far. Here's what I do: 1. From sticky focus mode and with focus in the sheet, tap Orca-a thrice quickly to enter sticky browse mode. 2. Press up/down arrow a time or two. I'm not sure where in the interface this navigates me, but I hear something like "Explore your data: expanded: entry selected: focus mode is sticky." I think I'm pressing up-arrow twice to trigger this. 3. I'm back in sticky focus mode. If you need a debug.out then let me know, but this is 100% reproduceable for me on every sheet I've opened. Thanks. On 11/13/19 5:13 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Are there 100% reliable steps with which I can reproduce this problem? > If so, please tell me what they are. If not, could you please capture > a full debug.out for me? > > Because you're right, Orca shouldn't be kicking you out of sticky > browse mode. I'd like to see what's triggering it. > > Thanks! > > On 11/13/19 4:55 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> On recent master and Firefox nightly, sheets.google.com keeps forcing >> me out of sticky browse mode into sticky focus mode. I get why sticky >> focus mode may be the default here, but I'm trying to explore the >> interface a bit, so being in browse mode would help a lot. >> >> >> Is there some reason Orca forces me out of sticky browse mode? That >> would seem to negate the sticky... :) >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From jdiggs@igalia.com Wed Nov 13 23:38:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4155E76124 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:38:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id phEFZm-7ytV1 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CF5776117 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:38:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=bloKSp8CvvcyY0hG33KZapOkVhY8DAPBWHfZQZ7tYcw=; b=Af1N+VjtmEnGWeVP7Qcmi+Ds2QYB6P1g+zI0IyK2QxUyfuW9vkCScHKH6Fk+SFtyQCoV3D9LHnvcugEw1rZf34shbsIu8VfELKFQlbTuvQ6Q1B+91AwCHkTPwrI6bB3IowXA6BybS83JYin1pl6B5IMD1nCJzM8D9DQTvtKLzLsM4dnwb2eRYd+v+ivEWmc4dN6SUC+dKfXLyH203S3ppdn70HsAa8y/8YpCJL+6XChO+sAboqXJlSzO+fYXt6CMNu4/EeXj/rIlLirgZ1whb4E9/R7FNXXwljzJTU1viyptclnkvDN176W53TrqyC918/YokzyYevGIbdqks+TLuA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iV2Dx-0003Ox-B7; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:38:57 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , Orca References: <0be23100-d4be-d84f-8461-0193aa31cfa9@thewordnerd.info> <5280d03c-b4d5-9162-d262-b458a69e893b@igalia.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <758309ea-0437-fef2-d3e7-0ca0c80615bd@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:38:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] sheets.google.com exiting sticky browse mode X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:38:53 -0000 Can you please pull master and see if it's fixed? Thanks! --joanie On 11/13/19 6:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > It's happened on two sheets I've opened thus far. Here's what I do: > > > 1. From sticky focus mode and with focus in the sheet, tap Orca-a thrice > quickly to enter sticky browse mode. > > 2. Press up/down arrow a time or two. I'm not sure where in the > interface this navigates me, but I hear something like "Explore your > data: expanded: entry selected: focus mode is sticky." I think I'm > pressing up-arrow twice to trigger this. > > 3. I'm back in sticky focus mode. > > > If you need a debug.out then let me know, but this is 100% reproduceable > for me on every sheet I've opened. > > > Thanks. > > > On 11/13/19 5:13 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Are there 100% reliable steps with which I can reproduce this problem? >> If so, please tell me what they are. If not, could you please capture >> a full debug.out for me? >> >> Because you're right, Orca shouldn't be kicking you out of sticky >> browse mode. I'd like to see what's triggering it. >> >> Thanks! >> >> On 11/13/19 4:55 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> On recent master and Firefox nightly, sheets.google.com keeps forcing >>> me out of sticky browse mode into sticky focus mode. I get why sticky >>> focus mode may be the default here, but I'm trying to explore the >>> interface a bit, so being in browse mode would help a lot. >>> >>> >>> Is there some reason Orca forces me out of sticky browse mode? That >>> would seem to negate the sticky... :) >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From nolan@thewordnerd.info Wed Nov 13 23:49:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4730D76124 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:49:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qer7cnQ-GKDC for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19E7176117 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D0122007; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:49:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=9d6RPwnHBbupkoWttzbHpSXOmneiRdhn/2ivSZAxT RE=; b=tjLRTs3e6sb8aNDhWJ2EryNCSzWuFPwvnkIelDVIaIROwuZDyqD2BmWR5 CuFfmfd39RA1vSxT82CnDG4O8PYdhIlM3ia4PFF896XB4T9i9Vp7LFfxJ8antOVQ OZP8Glkr0aJbF8/zpLH7lwWVk0+Z6Q//zaHEKWvYYAoUoQ9ZiinWEtupv9fDLvJG mGsMQCVROuQlnZC847SIpmaur9iFizEaRswvzB/NaQEIA4/SuFKglI1NxIOtU9hp W9lOFanQOSb9V4Nc8FMtCnot6k0W6hwIwa/Gkeio2WzKNxggYXjizPx1Y7IrRXkk jBlcqqWWf+Q5olhour+hiWiJ+7F9Q== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefvddgudegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgr nhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqne cuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhomhgvrdhorhhgpdhgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhenucfkphepjedt rdduudehrdduheefrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnohhlrghnse hthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D467B80061; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:49:30 -0500 (EST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Orca References: <0be23100-d4be-d84f-8461-0193aa31cfa9@thewordnerd.info> <5280d03c-b4d5-9162-d262-b458a69e893b@igalia.com> <758309ea-0437-fef2-d3e7-0ca0c80615bd@igalia.com> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <52ac47ef-7648-f394-ceec-53142df62e14@thewordnerd.info> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:49:30 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <758309ea-0437-fef2-d3e7-0ca0c80615bd@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] sheets.google.com exiting sticky browse mode X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:49:26 -0000 Works, thanks! Helpful and timely! On 11/13/19 5:38 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Can you please pull master and see if it's fixed? Thanks! > --joanie > > On 11/13/19 6:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> It's happened on two sheets I've opened thus far. Here's what I do: >> >> >> 1. From sticky focus mode and with focus in the sheet, tap Orca-a >> thrice quickly to enter sticky browse mode. >> >> 2. Press up/down arrow a time or two. I'm not sure where in the >> interface this navigates me, but I hear something like "Explore your >> data: expanded: entry selected: focus mode is sticky." I think I'm >> pressing up-arrow twice to trigger this. >> >> 3. I'm back in sticky focus mode. >> >> >> If you need a debug.out then let me know, but this is 100% >> reproduceable for me on every sheet I've opened. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On 11/13/19 5:13 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> Are there 100% reliable steps with which I can reproduce this >>> problem? If so, please tell me what they are. If not, could you >>> please capture a full debug.out for me? >>> >>> Because you're right, Orca shouldn't be kicking you out of sticky >>> browse mode. I'd like to see what's triggering it. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> On 11/13/19 4:55 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>>> On recent master and Firefox nightly, sheets.google.com keeps >>>> forcing me out of sticky browse mode into sticky focus mode. I get >>>> why sticky focus mode may be the default here, but I'm trying to >>>> explore the interface a bit, so being in browse mode would help a lot. >>>> >>>> >>>> Is there some reason Orca forces me out of sticky browse mode? That >>>> would seem to negate the sticky... :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From nolan@thewordnerd.info Wed Nov 13 23:51:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980B77613D for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:51:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yy0AbyhtGlZs for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5809376124 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11480210B8; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:52:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=PR59UZTvxPjYWN6djS3nPjwrtRf1tIt6R0b9CVTIh Mw=; b=ofqL3eR3SqNvMHVeKY6MIRa6inR6Gvlq85flctcv2UXsrIxOCUwn+9T88 1wlJRERpaNPOhyNb8ye08/78gwqjyCunjxBdR1LbR8F0n/hQbg3hkYZou7xcBoDV gBH23eEjfU225y7JW7fVmLREBmVqgUEVv20xvrp6ahwuF2jVrco1CdnFsYo+Xc0/ rpGFGPpTg3TAHUDB2kBGjZoGlnc+pbtbcMf5GSN4FRmUYaVUvyWdS9Qw2PEzylJB k1kqqJPGVT8pUJ7yOREYjiQpfgBvATq6U1PxeM5y6C9veMak7prWSTWce9heSdhl ziuZOwKS5zkZzWumQ+WclKMjYFWyw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefvddgudegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgr nhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqne cuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhomhgvrdhorhhgpdhrihhothdrihhmpdhrihhothhsrdhimhdp mhgrthhrihigrdhorhhgnecukfhppeejtddrudduhedrudehfedrudekvdenucfrrghrrg hmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepnhholhgrnhesthhhvgifohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhonecu vehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5039580062; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:52:03 -0500 (EST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Orca References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> <020c4b15-49a9-d705-7ae3-c607f09a24b0@igalia.com> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <1bcbc0c8-52a0-ea82-26db-1f7f3900ff14@thewordnerd.info> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:52:03 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <020c4b15-49a9-d705-7ae3-c607f09a24b0@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:51:59 -0000 FWIW, I finally installed Chromium, and this doesn't happen with Chromium 77.0.3865.120 Fedora Project and Orca master. So seems specific to Firefox. On 11/5/19 3:05 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > I can reproduce this. It looks like an Orca bug. I'm still debugging > it, but will hopefully have it fixed before too long. I don't think > it's a regression though. Or if it is, it's super old. I went back to > Orca 3.30 and the problem happens there.... > > On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> >> The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into >> making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm experiencing >> a pretty significant issue with their new text entry system for >> messages that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm wondering if any >> Orca users are seeing the same, and if this can be diagnosed as >> either a Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as something they aren't >> doing correctly on their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. >> Once you have one and are logged in, visit this instance with >> accessibility improvements: >> >> >> https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y >> >> >> Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into >> the message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter >> browse mode and try arrowing up. >> >> >> Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the accessibility >> build and the development build at riot.im/develop. Orca, on the >> other hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," followed by some >> buttons, and focus lands back in the message entry field. The only >> way to escape this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some >> other quick navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the mud. >> Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes ago and Firefox nightly >> as of a few days ago, but it's happened for a bit now so I don't >> think it's a bleeding-edge regression. Apologies for not reporting >> it--been a bit busy and it hasn't been high enough priority for me. >> >> >> Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix >> this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the >> #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to give >> it then there is the best place, or I'll happily relay it otherwise. >> >> >> Thanks a bunch. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 14 00:02:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60D87612C for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:02:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IM0LsxvepdcB for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E86F776124 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:02:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=RaVOLPS+LN7LNmrz/IWP6uVPANNn5V994bEiIdwq53A=; b=rM0KYQOM23vslQlmAT6xbloe7VCOpajSTYf5IjWwV9iIco5b6JJIg+bmRCecM45AKBz1Eftn8UaiMq/gt4OqRgpz1kuNVb8ASW97iqJ1C4PtFzKE/KUUKjUk298+lVwoajlMltyPeh+hDKxPWh9yW/fZzH5gIu5H0GPMxeKLV8fJa2EO3PW8sHBZ3Govg2kM0rR0ooIO8cl4yUN6igjnoDndac5KZaEpolqKSPfYJWXDWU9V/c2Q/11d3RGGJrLw2SV4vXXVVUqCXy36pOkW6MXRb5al53qh/aafP8/rAq+Sp8f/6NES9u/8kpWYYVCsvsL+f5liZ5IxvjqLvmtmEA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iV2al-0005bY-8H; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 01:02:31 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , Orca References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> <020c4b15-49a9-d705-7ae3-c607f09a24b0@igalia.com> <1bcbc0c8-52a0-ea82-26db-1f7f3900ff14@thewordnerd.info> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <30ac0230-8ad3-98b4-9050-b94d0e779450@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:02:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1bcbc0c8-52a0-ea82-26db-1f7f3900ff14@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:02:27 -0000 Good to know. Thanks! If you are able to get a later version of chrome/chromium you'll get other bug fixes. And while we talk about "chromium", Orca's support should kick in for Chrome. https://www.google.com/chrome/dev/?platform=linux right now is at version Version 80.0.3964.0. My locally-built-by-me chromium from a few days ago, is at version 80.0.3966.0. Just in case you're curious (Joanie says, trying to suck Nolan into the early-tester cabal) On 11/13/19 6:52 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > FWIW, I finally installed Chromium, and this doesn't happen with > Chromium 77.0.3865.120 Fedora Project and Orca master. So seems specific > to Firefox. > > > On 11/5/19 3:05 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> I can reproduce this. It looks like an Orca bug. I'm still debugging >> it, but will hopefully have it fixed before too long. I don't think >> it's a regression though. Or if it is, it's super old. I went back to >> Orca 3.30 and the problem happens there.... >> >> On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> Hey folks, >>> >>> >>> The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into >>> making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm experiencing >>> a pretty significant issue with their new text entry system for >>> messages that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm wondering if any >>> Orca users are seeing the same, and if this can be diagnosed as >>> either a Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as something they aren't >>> doing correctly on their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. >>> Once you have one and are logged in, visit this instance with >>> accessibility improvements: >>> >>> >>> https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y >>> >>> >>> Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into >>> the message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter >>> browse mode and try arrowing up. >>> >>> >>> Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the accessibility >>> build and the development build at riot.im/develop. Orca, on the >>> other hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," followed by some >>> buttons, and focus lands back in the message entry field. The only >>> way to escape this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some >>> other quick navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the mud. >>> Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes ago and Firefox nightly >>> as of a few days ago, but it's happened for a bit now so I don't >>> think it's a bleeding-edge regression. Apologies for not reporting >>> it--been a bit busy and it hasn't been high enough priority for me. >>> >>> >>> Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix >>> this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the >>> #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to give >>> it then there is the best place, or I'll happily relay it otherwise. >>> >>> >>> Thanks a bunch. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> > From nolan@thewordnerd.info Thu Nov 14 00:11:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C85A7612C for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:11:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C9FQqOuyqDjr for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C18C376124 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C658522106; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:11:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=NVVvwo3zTHFSrX5e0jR45pzP+yOGXXCO+pDKWBhAO GY=; b=SysKeYypEkyp4S626Tev4LdpyT33ChW090S23BFYiJznc3C5bZrI5s6tb 05onVKA/AJEysKq9JpW/gvho/dOGAJjUF7xkln/XtnQRcZjV0LyzjlvwsefxmGL7 uWN8O5d/bfODcILprCPcmgRSwk/32yXqpYMHMI22bbTECTEI11ZJfzkV5ZXDbByV vnaNzOTV5OF3btcQuocXKhhjicimnubVgPQkIBRHsSefjLYm9q1K6wQoDtQSvx60 eG+8K8RNRTs49E4bnw64ttlvpsG53yviMzve+2ZXHK+xC3KQyTQyZ4D8F/55yRQT pbkb1RgjySzj4tZoF0suGEyKWUkmQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefvddgudekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgr nhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqne cuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhomhgvrdhorhhgpdhgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhdprhhiohhtrdhi mhdprhhiohhtshdrihhmpdhmrghtrhhigidrohhrghenucfkphepjedtrdduudehrdduhe efrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgu nhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0796080060; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:11:15 -0500 (EST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Orca References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> <020c4b15-49a9-d705-7ae3-c607f09a24b0@igalia.com> <1bcbc0c8-52a0-ea82-26db-1f7f3900ff14@thewordnerd.info> <30ac0230-8ad3-98b4-9050-b94d0e779450@igalia.com> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <8097634d-b4e9-315e-94fe-f9264ab1c3df@thewordnerd.info> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:11:15 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <30ac0230-8ad3-98b4-9050-b94d0e779450@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:11:11 -0000 Heh, I'll check it out. Not super keen on switching full-time now that Manifest V3 is likely to kill off uBlock Origin, but the dev tools seem more accessible, and I need those for work. Firefox's dev tool access has been meh at best. On 11/13/19 6:02 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Good to know. Thanks! > > If you are able to get a later version of chrome/chromium you'll get > other bug fixes. And while we talk about "chromium", Orca's support > should kick in for Chrome. > https://www.google.com/chrome/dev/?platform=linux right now is at > version Version 80.0.3964.0. My locally-built-by-me chromium from a > few days ago, is at version 80.0.3966.0. > > Just in case you're curious (Joanie says, trying to suck Nolan into > the early-tester cabal) > > > On 11/13/19 6:52 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> FWIW, I finally installed Chromium, and this doesn't happen with >> Chromium 77.0.3865.120 Fedora Project and Orca master. So seems >> specific to Firefox. >> >> >> On 11/5/19 3:05 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> I can reproduce this. It looks like an Orca bug. I'm still debugging >>> it, but will hopefully have it fixed before too long. I don't think >>> it's a regression though. Or if it is, it's super old. I went back >>> to Orca 3.30 and the problem happens there.... >>> >>> On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>>> Hey folks, >>>> >>>> >>>> The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into >>>> making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm >>>> experiencing a pretty significant issue with their new text entry >>>> system for messages that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm >>>> wondering if any Orca users are seeing the same, and if this can be >>>> diagnosed as either a Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as >>>> something they aren't doing correctly on their end. To test, you'll >>>> need a Matrix account. Once you have one and are logged in, visit >>>> this instance with accessibility improvements: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y >>>> >>>> >>>> Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into >>>> the message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter >>>> browse mode and try arrowing up. >>>> >>>> >>>> Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the >>>> accessibility build and the development build at riot.im/develop. >>>> Orca, on the other hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," >>>> followed by some buttons, and focus lands back in the message entry >>>> field. The only way to escape this field is to enter browse mode >>>> and use b/B/h/some other quick navigation key, then hope you don't >>>> land back in the mud. Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes >>>> ago and Firefox nightly as of a few days ago, but it's happened for >>>> a bit now so I don't think it's a bleeding-edge regression. >>>> Apologies for not reporting it--been a bit busy and it hasn't been >>>> high enough priority for me. >>>> >>>> >>>> Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix >>>> this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the >>>> #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to >>>> give it then there is the best place, or I'll happily relay it >>>> otherwise. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks a bunch. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>> >> > From covici@ccs.covici.com Thu Nov 14 01:52:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97127615A for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lPACbvUa94fd for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 01:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from covici.com (debian-2.covici.com [172.104.21.222]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 655F176124 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 01:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (ccs.covici.com [70.109.53.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id xAE1paQZ029294 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:51:57 -0500 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id xAE1pPUO2755999 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:51:25 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.13.7/Submit) id xAE1pN392755873; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:51:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: Nolan Darilek , Orca In-Reply-To: <30ac0230-8ad3-98b4-9050-b94d0e779450@igalia.com> References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> <020c4b15-49a9-d705-7ae3-c607f09a24b0@igalia.com> <1bcbc0c8-52a0-ea82-26db-1f7f3900ff14@thewordnerd.info> <30ac0230-8ad3-98b4-9050-b94d0e779450@igalia.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 01:52:29 -0000 I might be interested, noce I get my system in order, the version I can get is 80.0.3962.2, is that a good version to test with? On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:02:20 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > Good to know. Thanks! > > If you are able to get a later version of chrome/chromium you'll > get other bug fixes. And while we talk about "chromium", Orca's > support should kick in for > Chrome. https://www.google.com/chrome/dev/?platform=linux right > now is at version Version 80.0.3964.0. My locally-built-by-me > chromium from a few days ago, is at version 80.0.3966.0. > > Just in case you're curious (Joanie says, trying to suck Nolan > into the early-tester cabal) > > > On 11/13/19 6:52 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > > FWIW, I finally installed Chromium, and this doesn't happen > > with Chromium 77.0.3865.120 Fedora Project and Orca master. So > > seems specific to Firefox. > > > > > > On 11/5/19 3:05 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > >> I can reproduce this. It looks like an Orca bug. I'm still > >> debugging it, but will hopefully have it fixed before too > >> long. I don't think it's a regression though. Or if it is, > >> it's super old. I went back to Orca 3.30 and the problem > >> happens there.... > >> > >> On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > >>> Hey folks, > >>> > >>> > >>> The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently > >>> into making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm > >>> experiencing a pretty significant issue with their new text > >>> entry system for messages that they can't duplicate under > >>> NVDA. I'm wondering if any Orca users are seeing the same, > >>> and if this can be diagnosed as either a Firefox/Orca issue > >>> under Linux, or as something they aren't doing correctly on > >>> their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. Once you > >>> have one and are logged in, visit this instance with > >>> accessibility improvements: > >>> > >>> > >>> https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y > >>> > >>> > >>> Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused > >>> into the message input field and put in focus mode. Once > >>> there, enter browse mode and try arrowing up. > >>> > >>> > >>> Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the > >>> accessibility build and the development build at > >>> riot.im/develop. Orca, on the other hand, won't let me arrow > >>> up. I hear "Newline," followed by some buttons, and focus > >>> lands back in the message entry field. The only way to escape > >>> this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some other > >>> quick navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the > >>> mud. Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes ago and > >>> Firefox nightly as of a few days ago, but it's happened for a > >>> bit now so I don't think it's a bleeding-edge > >>> regression. Apologies for not reporting it--been a bit busy > >>> and it hasn't been high enough priority for me. > >>> > >>> > >>> Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to > >>> fix this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the > >>> #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want > >>> to give it then there is the best place, or I'll happily > >>> relay it otherwise. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks a bunch. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: > >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 14 02:01:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E705F76124 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:01:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dGEB6cTC3ZqU for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97D1E76123 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:01:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject; bh=htf6YHUfxFMJDSIcX1CRt9bcTFRUpKaSLs/kN4fnZ4g=; b=J9BLVH7/H+OxITesZhTodFM/JrcmTTpe2rP7kMvXW48KvsHhic+syPlzIEwmxNAJHeiBIWan+ZEIah4Y2Y1b8YuihnWD8BuF4kXstfkM+IoC2pWBkFlrOHdBt4dauGYHBwBGex09R7fU6Gvk/o/pnLMRL5u8AbrYsL/twmwp+VaDjQiUx7/AsDRadSoiIkAidQjHWsOOOMgGFEmeF5DAOLjvitZJ0vVAq/YOs/aAypiC5qazKdM4nfdSu6bVMrrEFABYjDtzywkLv40KAPwB5zu7+DB0t9u2P71jCPA4bGnkOwh0owCnm/1eE8qHpIcz8qANxA3IqAT842h8PYmLkw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iV4SD-0007Ol-7l; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 03:01:49 +0100 To: covici@ccs.covici.com Cc: Orca References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> <020c4b15-49a9-d705-7ae3-c607f09a24b0@igalia.com> <1bcbc0c8-52a0-ea82-26db-1f7f3900ff14@thewordnerd.info> <30ac0230-8ad3-98b4-9050-b94d0e779450@igalia.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:01:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:01:48 -0000 Close, but you'll want at least 80.0.3967.0. And there are still bugs. On 11/13/19 8:51 PM, John Covici wrote: > I might be interested, noce I get my system in order, the version I > can get is 80.0.3962.2, is that a good version to test with? > > On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:02:20 -0500, > Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> >> Good to know. Thanks! >> >> If you are able to get a later version of chrome/chromium you'll >> get other bug fixes. And while we talk about "chromium", Orca's >> support should kick in for >> Chrome. https://www.google.com/chrome/dev/?platform=linux right >> now is at version Version 80.0.3964.0. My locally-built-by-me >> chromium from a few days ago, is at version 80.0.3966.0. >> >> Just in case you're curious (Joanie says, trying to suck Nolan >> into the early-tester cabal) >> >> >> On 11/13/19 6:52 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> FWIW, I finally installed Chromium, and this doesn't happen >>> with Chromium 77.0.3865.120 Fedora Project and Orca master. So >>> seems specific to Firefox. >>> >>> >>> On 11/5/19 3:05 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>> I can reproduce this. It looks like an Orca bug. I'm still >>>> debugging it, but will hopefully have it fixed before too >>>> long. I don't think it's a regression though. Or if it is, >>>> it's super old. I went back to Orca 3.30 and the problem >>>> happens there.... >>>> >>>> On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>>>> Hey folks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently >>>>> into making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm >>>>> experiencing a pretty significant issue with their new text >>>>> entry system for messages that they can't duplicate under >>>>> NVDA. I'm wondering if any Orca users are seeing the same, >>>>> and if this can be diagnosed as either a Firefox/Orca issue >>>>> under Linux, or as something they aren't doing correctly on >>>>> their end. To test, you'll need a Matrix account. Once you >>>>> have one and are logged in, visit this instance with >>>>> accessibility improvements: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused >>>>> into the message input field and put in focus mode. Once >>>>> there, enter browse mode and try arrowing up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the >>>>> accessibility build and the development build at >>>>> riot.im/develop. Orca, on the other hand, won't let me arrow >>>>> up. I hear "Newline," followed by some buttons, and focus >>>>> lands back in the message entry field. The only way to escape >>>>> this field is to enter browse mode and use b/B/h/some other >>>>> quick navigation key, then hope you don't land back in the >>>>> mud. Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes ago and >>>>> Firefox nightly as of a few days ago, but it's happened for a >>>>> bit now so I don't think it's a bleeding-edge >>>>> regression. Apologies for not reporting it--been a bit busy >>>>> and it hasn't been high enough priority for me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to >>>>> fix this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the >>>>> #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want >>>>> to give it then there is the best place, or I'll happily >>>>> relay it otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a bunch. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 14 02:07:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45E876124 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:07:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-GgOreyQ7Gw for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ADC276123 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:07:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=WIAazui3rDJsh/Od6Jc6w+7kG7tVUIKhcXoND6I7jk0=; b=UffYG/+JI01ZKnBERbhzQcPMZ7+XcfbO1liPblgoTjccuZy/XKORh49JDycnRBlXbHvtK6l0LMuIfx6aOwJiqwJqnNM6/2dTOYPSEnm7ukm78EKc0ZORLJrqZXalrutcHDY7sVdjwoZ8upw+02vkAF3ImyTz5OOwkuG+81QNunoBydzU64hvUXBHL0wt4pgNm5UglpXNXhoqaCptP8n/TrVJyoVghHeWibs0P+J9RQMXjLFhkjzzRMcwR97y/6XyoGR6k9ddETQ9PbiYoCP4HPbepPGubl7H2xhP8IGC7CwhP7c2u+irpmnjRXtpKWHIuNq1rfJPb95Ql7NBkhqpyQ==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iV4YF-0008Ay-Sa for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 03:08:04 +0100 To: orca From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:07:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:08:00 -0000 Hey all. There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though I keep saying we're not quite ready. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command line switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the bottom of that page. Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. Thanks! --joanie From zywek-mailing@nvps.pl Thu Nov 14 13:20:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF16F76107 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:20:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.598 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RDNS_DYNAMIC=1.6, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5BdqF8vHMgCF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nvps.pl (52.ip-145-239-89.eu [145.239.89.52]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A287760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.23.0.231] (ip-88-220-45-102.kampinostelco.pl [88.220.45.102]) by nvps.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 682CF5DEAF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:20:30 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:20:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:20:27 -0000 Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret? W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: > Hey all. > > There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in > Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, > so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though > I keep saying we're not quite ready. > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium > > As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a > super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command line > switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the bottom > of that page. > > Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to > double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report to > me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should > address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca > users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. > > Thanks! > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 14 13:29:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F671760FF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:29:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aGLlLsrfPt3s for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36941760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:29:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:Subject:From; bh=TEHYPpIhTwrCAZ4uN/+5wfNh7dsVBUZ/pWFMTc7BR4o=; b=kFhaKSht26b/NSHvS5I8mkFEDffeX5nNZSK36bsOe9sPBS7YFmvZFhK7R3V+b7xkOXu6VLQPpkZ923+WF8qd9FMpid+dVcui1xM3pi2EhFLvnPxXgtfrPjW3l/HLcXXswnKPyLeULoD4ARvlIi59NNb879JSk2l3+gv4GaOhh/YOy+DyqZI5pvjt4fq5IthfSnIP2ENLrIlDBM/2CfMx41wmioZvPKQNXwSbY7PP9Ly3sQZKJ1w5fJUwV2fi9tqage7q7JSNoglRck9yAaFJ1EGQvDYlhq0d5/6a8qW5s710MEr8wW5qYeTM/gMLpnkljiiP3Xca/FAAqzMDEi1G7A==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVFBn-0001au-BO for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:29:35 +0100 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: orca References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> Message-ID: <5ccb8be1-979a-c212-54a6-7bb677e10a84@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 08:29:25 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:29:33 -0000 No. Please see item 5 on the wiki page I cited in my message. On 11/14/19 8:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: > Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret? > > W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >> Hey all. >> >> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, >> so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though >> I keep saying we're not quite ready. >> >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >> >> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a >> super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command line >> switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the bottom >> of that page. >> >> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to >> double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report to >> me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should >> address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca >> users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. >> >> Thanks! >> --joanie >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From rkelson1993@gmail.com Thu Nov 14 13:39:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71D3760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:39:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.35 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.35 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wo7pkhnII_au for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-f181.google.com (mail-lj1-f181.google.com [209.85.208.181]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3708D760FF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-f181.google.com with SMTP id r7so6733885ljg.2 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:39:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7Xi3HpZeGQy+gRf6wYnB7z203DdIre6v7Nu5n8dqevc=; b=We1HBjbfJ7OmmVx8to2j0zZ/c0q1LIw+sVHApq9mjTO5C1q/mKG2onfbBDXRfuV6G6 6AbMLF7Mxz+XOhIh1rIni+zW94XEmsRxAUgHa0k3nYsZ9DagbCPyWN0jbn2o9hDux7oo 0JFDwl6FjpVBAaYEMsqRnBGUNEZieez+as0NHQwkCumTlbl4p4bzVbVDFYNceK5/ecxO 25HwjuUtokLheOpuwkzhBewGijLdwNvrxyLkSbJQJpXmGRqU5fOSPbqdhJtMMxr8725F YRRB6kAUfqrrVjUezNA6TfsRGLq9efJT0H9b6qXoBcFZcZYSwKATrHh2UaqWoxKYTxS6 dWeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7Xi3HpZeGQy+gRf6wYnB7z203DdIre6v7Nu5n8dqevc=; b=bfYw17SfdgZ7g1lOeRnXcLMCrI6RoDGe5bSTqubGlzRu4bexBQk0Eq1Z+lzwDQWG+4 5eAsviZ+4AXL+G8/qM/2DcJ44htrR0NFvQag++o1zKM6Laj6IfDRrQbcdYSqL6/kTG6m mazcjhxgVX4Lle09FZuMmziLkkwMfWAL+7GhuTwgvkwyiiBzOnf5sEnWXymL3RctkMaL 5SD38AMr7ECtYGmv1uBs1kQ5eWTitOH8lKIQ9TQ9Ns467pxwH6HwoV+99CDEPhHV+oCm 4rbPZeNpFyT05bNvwJ0d49lsfMwB102NC+1G8Lg1l0fxFhl6350b/YwZlrxzb8fCYHXy IbnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWdH3Pg5APyh0BiN1dx/f4tNdGDUQhFke7luMMoIMDie/ZeptL5 pfOyNYOeXAGhRAiG0iXjcgdSAnBIwYw7KEBZOkTuKe/kml4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy7kIL+awcIkWUHwk17C2RnFWdk7xj/6UEK2CBs/kqNAUaiJnDpIw8h4HdLeCtWWbGM5TGKnGviULZwC7h9mBY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:5c09:: with SMTP id q9mr6469851ljb.22.1573738764257; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:39:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rui Kelson Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:39:09 -0300 Message-ID: To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000358fb05974e9c2a" Subject: [orca-list] Help me, please! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:39:21 -0000 --0000000000000358fb05974e9c2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello! Please help me. I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in some applications. I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2. I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like: gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false, also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it said, does not speak anything yet. I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34 Thank you! RUI Kelson --0000000000000358fb05974e9c2a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello!

Please help me.
I'm using Linux, (def= initely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm a developer and I'm ha= ving serious problems with accessibility in some applications.
I have do= ne the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. Installed qt-at-spi= , and the at-spi2.
I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=3D1 and export = QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=3D1, and also something like:
gconftool= -2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type bool true, too: gconft= ool-2 --set desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false,
also= did: export GTK_MODULES=3Dgail:atk, and none of it said, does not speak an= ything yet.
I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34
Thank you!

= RUI Kelson
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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:52:56 -0000 Hello, Rui Kelson via orca-list, le jeu. 14 nov. 2019 10:39:09 -0300, a ecrit: > I'm having serious problems with accessibility in some applications. Which applications are these precisely? > I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. You can also try git clone https://salsa.debian.org/a11y-team/check-a11y cd check-a11y ./troubleshoot and send us the output so we have an idea of which pieces are going wrong. Samuel From vilmar@informal.com.br Thu Nov 14 13:53:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB4E760FF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:53:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OpzMwAhh1lDi for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qv1-f50.google.com (mail-qv1-f50.google.com [209.85.219.50]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C2FA760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qv1-f50.google.com with SMTP id x14so2358541qvu.0 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:53:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language; bh=EyUjGIK7rOFK12LqNCr8cmQgDYF7tajwxry1inZGKVY=; b=1s853k6H7UTQMcJpqxHg8Jq8ia2KPrNskE59Gsuu/zwUE42BSgxEW8HQghIWadtTQZ CIoZMs6jpbX9QWGGPzg0wHcJeWX2Jh4pdt72xpTgrtGktnlRGpS7ndaUEFoGivV51LRd S6cwd+KPLOoMXOpFsbe0QKk1uuqz/pTNHLWLs0/uaseSA1OljTbacdsxRoeFU1xNnZSw gitqu3vmlWFWEJv8UCvzuK8FERiXAAQpyQGJOwbuBWZ8XsFnNu0Z8QWNnESeQn5LxhmV PwDmY+Cd8jrT1anv8dfH0lvuQkInRKVxLIPze/zZlKCKZzWiPtjhpRz5UfVSkog9pfr3 XSOg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=EyUjGIK7rOFK12LqNCr8cmQgDYF7tajwxry1inZGKVY=; b=BaubQyiy69A3+i7pTkbR8nZnp3cBZZQRCQvrTiuBELsymQrxhRsf7T/hw4EgDgR+u2 SZm16YaNzwUQcj7PFyC+6zpF5yslqpHJoly0PiteGonLFy3P7rTX9pAgD45K4KMaNg6W qshV99TqFQJozQL0A6Xg1hZNzHn5PZs7BUvf8Nqy/OgXTbAeL+od0Caq0UshclOnpZwb Z6TW9tEgAzXPpZf6NwnBHHlI3FtCYcheFxbwFlUcQkTtDLAZ+2gCiHEfxc8FjDMvVKXT tY4nl7tfgb9TsakZ7F2YKD8ADH8dGEVMh4pUI4gqHt5us2J6XRhPGBTurqJ2L11dCZSf AMig== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUIz4y2pIBy9tosFRNFLdKaRbogCFXd7Ilr8umFS4JShVMRw9e0 yfaZCTEri3WQ1x72/DcmShDzxlTOph46zA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyktW8C4ihiJiLz2X6hMJIyykIn+wtadxGYSTnMiTM/ZflQSWJBqnd49etCWfiNJucv97o0dA== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:408d:: with SMTP id l13mr8225226qvp.49.1573739618246; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.64] ([189.60.3.200]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q4sm3114970qtj.41.2019.11.14.05.53.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:53:37 -0800 (PST) To: Rui Kelson , orca-list@gnome.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: <5a4a9857-ecfa-c69d-9e41-54de429df9ef@informal.com.br> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:53:35 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------44C4533A162F73842E8D15A4" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Help me, please! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:53:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------44C4533A162F73842E8D15A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rui. What kind of problems are you facing? Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over wayland. On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote: > Hello! > > Please help me. > I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm a > developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in some > applications. > I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. > Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2. > I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export > QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like: > gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type bool > true, too: gconftool-2 --set desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba > --type bool false, > also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it said, does not > speak anything yet. > I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34 > Thank you! > > RUI Kelson > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------44C4533A162F73842E8D15A4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi Rui.

What kind of problems are you facing?

Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over wayland.


On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote:
Hello!

Please help me.
I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in some applications.
I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2.
I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like:
gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false,
also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it said, does not speak anything yet.
I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34
Thank you!

RUI Kelson

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On 11/14/19 10:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: > Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret? > > W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >> Hey all. >> >> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, >> so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even >> though I keep saying we're not quite ready. >> >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >> >> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a >> super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command >> line switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the >> bottom of that page. >> >> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to >> double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report >> to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should >> address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca >> users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on >> Chrome/Chromium. >> >> Thanks! >> --joanie >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From nolan@thewordnerd.info Thu Nov 14 14:02:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3703B760FF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:02:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bur9uPzZ8OLx for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE745760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B955216A6 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:02:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=5bJj+P9q42I92B/6Gy3JmBmxeDaiHvRBgbMLeHdkj DE=; b=P4iDnVisRRAJehdYWvh4TYKaKl92yK2lPeSOAc7Q0Lp8CoqhLg1fo2+65 1EG7NSpyCy2X+5z8r0WYnxJsjyf+QrPI2VXGxHf9KBCVN2PRSHfSWPPNNcozmD74 ANskhLAD6WBY6qVrNdv2iMpKeNniqCqyyGnbeqrkmZ7eG2Zh1o52Q8sxjMb6psfq YUIaWx2ZsL4iVHuXfaVvD/ql3GAPBNNh1ofodqfWVSja2qOkAKT7AG7cPP1BfOVH uGUv7S5ym2vV2DTa0FE9ZY7xL/OP8LzOpeA9D602lGSzD3se+qreCUw/FAtcAPe8 1/9YNN9bNX/BzuZD3JBkM8gRydKHg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudeffedgheelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtke ertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefpohhlrghnucffrghrihhlvghkuceonhholhgrnhesthhh vgifohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhoqeenucffohhmrghinhepghhnohhmvgdrohhrghenuc fkphepjedtrdduudehrdduheefrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehn ohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpe dt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0059980063 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:02:12 -0500 (EST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <5ccb8be1-979a-c212-54a6-7bb677e10a84@igalia.com> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <05653e5e-6c06-141b-bb8a-4062bd4a5eb8@thewordnerd.info> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 08:02:11 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5ccb8be1-979a-c212-54a6-7bb677e10a84@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:02:09 -0000 I wonder if what was intended by this question was: will it eventually be possible to select text without the extra caret command line option? Curious about this as well. Can the existing accessibility support be fleshed out to support text selection sans native caret mode? Or, like with the accessibility renderer, will caret support eventually be automatically toggled on when it is needed? No hurries, just curious. My experience under 77 is already pretty nice, except for a few dialogs which the wiki points out aren't expected to work in earlier versions anyway. Still though, I've waited years to use some of the many highly-maligned Electron apps being published, so I can be patient. :) On 11/14/19 7:29 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > No. Please see item 5 on the wiki page I cited in my message. > > On 11/14/19 8:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >> Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret? >> >> W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>> Hey all. >>> >>> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >>> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about >>> testing, so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test >>> even though I keep saying we're not quite ready. >>> >>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >>> >>> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a >>> super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command >>> line switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the >>> bottom of that page. >>> >>> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to >>> double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report >>> to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should >>> address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca >>> users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on >>> Chrome/Chromium. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> --joanie >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From rkelson1993@gmail.com Thu Nov 14 14:06:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D189760FF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:06:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.35 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.35 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S7p7Nh6cMGkt for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-f175.google.com (mail-lj1-f175.google.com [209.85.208.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BBB3760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-f175.google.com with SMTP id 139so6828158ljf.1 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Y8CiTgs+Eq+8+/BmbJ4hNv5utUe02z6aHZ2atPmKkfE=; b=FHim/5yWrL91XZ8YnQNWguV1Mp0ut17yHkRQ00P9HtFBocery2MNBnrIbKb3vbLI7R FKGTpfb46vsR4j4AhhiLG3jBLL9AOGXANgUm1BJ5SMKHrfLJmxqkZDUTJyjk/e4G7h+M eIB5RvAJ2czMdkHgLaDSnlyen19MPwUmaagPIc6Ei5gYQn725TNG8GFMPlHS9BgJZOna 0yHjYcwe63W+CE0yLTV+pXWcQOmy0QGW5szZRehgWeZz0zod5Wy1bbIjladWWfAn0F55 dzi9pzI643LY/Ef/ho3Tr8HefKbIi2l24OqimkSi3wEyi7m0ew+LBMhrT3TF+VjUUay2 S1Bg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Y8CiTgs+Eq+8+/BmbJ4hNv5utUe02z6aHZ2atPmKkfE=; b=q4sxaxSJLuLFxEh9lT5+UtxEmKxKq/V3K3d2hHEKN821CVT7cxMmn+FheDDNhWTRpR UWsmi8EEyNbSt67zyIQ7MwvrlVcAeUnktbKNya/yHpDsyiZDz6r7KiAHj25jLGdtOd24 SftpIdXrEAeXV75F8Dyoq3hSlIckkmT6y66PDewmAUWNKVyjIrOSKOcLFduGN0WfcYYJ q/q9m845kntYshzFeytxhrQxurigbIl00BAIZGuDTjehFviJ6xFDBBlku6LO9J16WJcS kyy+S+wDK8+H4JVCg3OMBxPix+zeBUmvYAcTbTD/Ienxg+EiXOKyxP1QjCj2zaJiWjf+ 9GnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX1/WJzZcUirC/VFEGCog0pu3iNiEGOI6KKhL6G9jDa+efu5/YZ 8AC4jn3aYsffzZQRD71DRVBiXrRUFp3VrBIcoiasttD28R4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyBjIddW0CwHJUoPSnYMNrir1LPHrKUe3ukeuMg8jmLW5yB/woxuSs6c370W03j5MHmkuNLOJSBBVWLSh9AxFY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9149:: with SMTP id q9mr7062219ljg.49.1573740413719; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:06:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5a4a9857-ecfa-c69d-9e41-54de429df9ef@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <5a4a9857-ecfa-c69d-9e41-54de429df9ef@informal.com.br> From: Rui Kelson Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:06:41 -0300 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Vilmar_Est=C3=A1cio_de_Souza?= Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000541a4505974efe73" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Help me, please! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:06:50 -0000 --000000000000541a4505974efe73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does not show me any feedback, Skype will not. Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. Eclipse, on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been developed with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge. Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 =C3=A0s 10:53, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de= Souza < vilmar@informal.com.br> escreveu: > Hi Rui. > > What kind of problems are you facing? > > Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for accessibility > in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over wayland. > > > On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote: > > Hello! > > Please help me. > I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm a > developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in some > applications. > I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. Installe= d > qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2. > I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=3D1 and export > QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=3D1, and also something like: > gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type bool true, > too: gconftool-2 --set desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool > false, > also did: export GTK_MODULES=3Dgail:atk, and none of it said, does not sp= eak > anything yet. > I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34 > Thank you! > > RUI Kelson > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing listorca-list@gnome.orghttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/l= istinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html > > --000000000000541a4505974efe73 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrom= e does not show me any feedback, Skype will not.
Visual Studio code eith= er, not yet tested the Android Studio. Eclipse, on the other hand, worked w= ell, perhaps because it has been developed with the SWT instead of Swing, w= hich need the atk-bridge.

Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 =C3=A0s 10:53, Jo= s=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza <vilmar@informal.com.br> escreveu:
=20 =20 =20

Hi Rui.

What kind of problems are you facing?

Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over wayland.


On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote:
=20
Hello!

Please help me.
I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in some applications.
I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2.
I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=3D1 and export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=3D1, and also something like:
gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false,
also did: export GTK_MODULES=3Dgail:atk, and none of it said, does not speak anything yet.
I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34
Thank you!

RUI Kelson

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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:22:01 -0000 Rui Kelson via orca-list, le jeu. 14 nov. 2019 11:06:41 -0300, a ecrit: > Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Which application are you using? Evince should be working fine (provided that it's not a scanned document of course). > Google Chrome does not show me any feedback, Skype will not. Visual > Studio code either, I am not so surprised since they use their own toolkits. Nothing is to be searched on the configuration side, implementation is just needed in them. 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:30:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D6E51339AC3EAA492EB13BA5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I think this goes for windows too. to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince. After the pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on. Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf. Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but support is on the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages. Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not supported on Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The same applies to skype. What languages ​​do you intend to use to develop on linux? I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer demand and have managed to survive! Eventually I also write something in python. I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my machine for a long time. Hope this helps. On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote: > Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does not show > me any feedback, Skype will not. > Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. Eclipse, > on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been developed > with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge. > > Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 10:53, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza > > escreveu: > > Hi Rui. > > What kind of problems are you facing? > > Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for > accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over > wayland. > > > On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote: >> Hello! >> >> Please help me. >> I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm >> a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in >> some applications. >> I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. >> Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2. >> I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export >> QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like: >> gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type >> bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set >> desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false, >> also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it said, does >> not speak anything yet. >> I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34 >> Thank you! >> >> RUI Kelson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > --------------D6E51339AC3EAA492EB13BA5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I think this goes for windows too.


to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince.   After the pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on.

Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf.


Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but support is on the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages.


Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not supported on Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The same applies to skype.


What languages ​​do you intend to use to develop on linux?


I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer demand and have managed to survive!

Eventually I also write something in python.

I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my machine for a long time.

Hope this helps.


On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote:
Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does not show me any feedback, Skype will not.
Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. Eclipse, on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been developed with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge.

Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 10:53, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza <vilmar@informal.com.br> escreveu:

Hi Rui.

What kind of problems are you facing?

Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over wayland.


On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote:
Hello!

Please help me.
I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in some applications.
I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2.
I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like:
gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false,
also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it said, does not speak anything yet.
I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34
Thank you!

RUI Kelson

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Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
--------------D6E51339AC3EAA492EB13BA5-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 14 14:50:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1783760FF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:50:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xUUtAbYmirIM for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4684760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:50:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=XYJr/ADuHVQVlmQnTQLIJ7roXNne1yIqRF483noeVSI=; b=XhmhKAxl5+qTZeFU0gEGk7vkpvUQ18KC70HHdXhN1KTdzKAX+DPJqjwGVOyz2LwwC6muhDKibkGmWj/97/MFlA+ENt8ujHkwnIo0TAcETeJBf54eS+xdujUunuBsB9t4aqJJ9cHPBMf49OXBwmhfPum1JE/mQU87KnXYjRuK0nz05hkuZQ8kgQROu37Gv/2YxLQm0H4hTlaTRP/0/YsBm4JUf+04UVIZLeLSp85Dvl0GBZ7KvfrOniwmNoQkE25s6NLBN0K5xKj6fJAlIaFyHSO1kqKzsMKn6JlYM38AT5jvnGWykQuSeiNCqq/xkwMSiqha3CaETV6zkNQAC4EMsQ==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVGSI-00016s-DF; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:50:42 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <5ccb8be1-979a-c212-54a6-7bb677e10a84@igalia.com> <05653e5e-6c06-141b-bb8a-4062bd4a5eb8@thewordnerd.info> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:50:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <05653e5e-6c06-141b-bb8a-4062bd4a5eb8@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:50:40 -0000 Note that Orca also relies upon native caret navigation in Firefox for text selection. The difference is that in Firefox if you set the caret position (e.g. with the mouse, or via accessibility support), you can then hold down shift and use Firefox's native caret navigation even if there is not a visible caret showing. So perhaps one day we'll be able to modify Chromium's text selection support to do something similar. But you still would be using the browser's native caret -- and not Orca -- to select text. A fully Orca-driven text selection would require new API added to ATK and AT-SPI2 and then implemented in Firefox and Chromium and Orca. That seems like a lot of work. It will also be less performant than using the native text selection functionality already in the browser. So if we're being realistic, my statement in the wiki stands. For the foreseeable future, I believe that text selection will require native caret navigation to be enabled. But if it's a preference that remains set (which is the case in Firefox), I personally don't see this as a problem. Having said that, I need to focus on Chrome/Chromium bugs (in the browser and in Orca). That's my number one goal. On 11/14/19 9:02 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > I wonder if what was intended by this question was: will it eventually > be possible to select text without the extra caret command line option? > > > Curious about this as well. Can the existing accessibility support be > fleshed out to support text selection sans native caret mode? Or, like > with the accessibility renderer, will caret support eventually be > automatically toggled on when it is needed? > > > No hurries, just curious. My experience under 77 is already pretty nice, > except for a few dialogs which the wiki points out aren't expected to > work in earlier versions anyway. Still though, I've waited years to use > some of the many highly-maligned Electron apps being published, so I can > be patient. :) > > > On 11/14/19 7:29 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> No. Please see item 5 on the wiki page I cited in my message. >> >> On 11/14/19 8:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>> Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret? >>> >>> W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>>> Hey all. >>>> >>>> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >>>> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about >>>> testing, so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test >>>> even though I keep saying we're not quite ready. >>>> >>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >>>> >>>> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a >>>> super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command >>>> line switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the >>>> bottom of that page. >>>> >>>> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to >>>> double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report >>>> to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should >>>> address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca >>>> users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on >>>> Chrome/Chromium. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> --joanie >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> >> 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[orca-list] Help me, please! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:52:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --4KlLSN4Nx9VdIFxqWbZ5l5huA7My3IKpM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="5um41q8hX6Nb1Ip2xprVVrSdXsuirTcg7" --5um41q8hX6Nb1Ip2xprVVrSdXsuirTcg7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W dniu 14.11.2019 o=C2=A015:30, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza pi= sze: > Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I think thi= s > goes for windows too. >=20 >=20 > to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince. =C2=A0 After= the > pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on. >=20 > Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf. or, convert pdf to text with pdftotext and read it, i prefer that option usually. >=20 >=20 > Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but support is on= > the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages. >=20 >=20 > Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not supported on > Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The same > applies to skype. they are both electron so based on chromium, so their accessibility is related to the above point about chrome. >=20 >=20 > What languages =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bdo you intend to use to develop on lin= ux? >=20 >=20 > I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer demand and > have managed to survive! >=20 > Eventually I also write something in python. >=20 > I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my machine fo= r > a long time. >=20 > Hope this helps. >=20 >=20 > On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote: >> Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does not show >> me any feedback, Skype will not. >> Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. Eclipse,= >> on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been developed >> with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge. >> >> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 =C3=A0s 10:53, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1c= io de Souza >> > escreveu: >> >> Hi Rui. >> >> What kind of problems are you facing? >> >> Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for >> accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over= >> wayland. >> >> >> On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote: >>> Hello! >>> >>> Please help me. >>> I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm= >>> a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in= >>> some applications. >>> I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. >>> Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2. >>> I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=3D1 and export >>> QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=3D1, and also something like: >>> gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type >>> bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set >>> desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false, >>> also did: export GTK_MODULES=3Dgail:atk, and none of it said, doe= s >>> not speak anything yet. >>> I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34 >>> Thank you! >>> >>> RUI Kelson >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-= help/stable/a11y.html >> >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/s= table/a11y.html >=20 --5um41q8hX6Nb1Ip2xprVVrSdXsuirTcg7-- --4KlLSN4Nx9VdIFxqWbZ5l5huA7My3IKpM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:57:24 -0500 (EST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <5ccb8be1-979a-c212-54a6-7bb677e10a84@igalia.com> <05653e5e-6c06-141b-bb8a-4062bd4a5eb8@thewordnerd.info> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <2a65c4d6-e896-7062-d5e9-2fa696266558@thewordnerd.info> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 08:57:24 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:57:21 -0000 No worries, as a former screen reader developer, I was curious about how it worked under the hood. I don't recall explicitly toggling caret navigation with Firefox, so wasn't sure if it defaulted to on when a need for accessibility was detected, or if AT-SPI handled text selection at a lower level. Figured the former was more likely. Thanks. On 11/14/19 8:50 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Note that Orca also relies upon native caret navigation in Firefox for > text selection. The difference is that in Firefox if you set the caret > position (e.g. with the mouse, or via accessibility support), you can > then hold down shift and use Firefox's native caret navigation even if > there is not a visible caret showing. > > So perhaps one day we'll be able to modify Chromium's text selection > support to do something similar. But you still would be using the > browser's native caret -- and not Orca -- to select text. > > A fully Orca-driven text selection would require new API added to ATK > and AT-SPI2 and then implemented in Firefox and Chromium and Orca. > That seems like a lot of work. It will also be less performant than > using the native text selection functionality already in the browser. > > So if we're being realistic, my statement in the wiki stands. For the > foreseeable future, I believe that text selection will require native > caret navigation to be enabled. But if it's a preference that remains > set (which is the case in Firefox), I personally don't see this as a > problem. > > Having said that, I need to focus on Chrome/Chromium bugs (in the > browser and in Orca). That's my number one goal. > > On 11/14/19 9:02 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> I wonder if what was intended by this question was: will it >> eventually be possible to select text without the extra caret command >> line option? >> >> >> Curious about this as well. Can the existing accessibility support be >> fleshed out to support text selection sans native caret mode? Or, >> like with the accessibility renderer, will caret support eventually >> be automatically toggled on when it is needed? >> >> >> No hurries, just curious. My experience under 77 is already pretty >> nice, except for a few dialogs which the wiki points out aren't >> expected to work in earlier versions anyway. Still though, I've >> waited years to use some of the many highly-maligned Electron apps >> being published, so I can be patient. :) >> >> >> On 11/14/19 7:29 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> No. Please see item 5 on the wiki page I cited in my message. >>> >>> On 11/14/19 8:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>>> Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret? >>>> >>>> W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>>>> Hey all. >>>>> >>>>> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >>>>> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about >>>>> testing, so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to >>>>> test even though I keep saying we're not quite ready. >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >>>>> >>>>> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and >>>>> a super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some >>>>> command line switches too. I've also summarized some key known >>>>> issues at the bottom of that page. >>>>> >>>>> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged >>>>> to double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to >>>>> report to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, >>>>> I should address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for >>>>> all Orca users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on >>>>> Chrome/Chromium. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> --joanie >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 14 15:01:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E00D760FF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:01:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aE3iGC8RzuJe for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D2F6760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:01:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=m5lHgQOW/He1sF3pf16CtmM/enAOYn/eKXOY41NbstA=; b=kgyEj426VCHanmn+HoifzG8Y0VplKRBXXRe2A7z2frgFgvmdnXoWNFIXL8wn2eFLtEUDYpJAQWNSsRG9Wk0teq6zpYpM6I06Jd2J+lcVe2bqt3Kpr9KmzIacyvMLDySfDDQ5T8uwYWNje+awYw15XStmgfr7r4AsoTeyFza5tsYe/yFGk7eEBlhI1xbvkxlPJJpKetz1H5E6jcurKh1JvJ0WutwW4Qt6/DKbhf4tr/kM5OLylrnUYxitajuvldNjMGMGc5bS1lOWO5LMtLd+sVS/PagqKv/A01dBuXXkr07QZDuo3bmOscgKu/gGQVK1vuv7nlGZQXxw4RY7pIzEmA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVGcn-00023S-1y; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:01:33 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <5ccb8be1-979a-c212-54a6-7bb677e10a84@igalia.com> <05653e5e-6c06-141b-bb8a-4062bd4a5eb8@thewordnerd.info> <2a65c4d6-e896-7062-d5e9-2fa696266558@thewordnerd.info> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:01:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2a65c4d6-e896-7062-d5e9-2fa696266558@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:01:29 -0000 See also: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1544973 On 11/14/19 9:57 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > No worries, as a former screen reader developer, I was curious about how > it worked under the hood. I don't recall explicitly toggling caret > navigation with Firefox, so wasn't sure if it defaulted to on when a > need for accessibility was detected, or if AT-SPI handled text selection > at a lower level. Figured the former was more likely. > > > Thanks. > > > On 11/14/19 8:50 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Note that Orca also relies upon native caret navigation in Firefox for >> text selection. The difference is that in Firefox if you set the caret >> position (e.g. with the mouse, or via accessibility support), you can >> then hold down shift and use Firefox's native caret navigation even if >> there is not a visible caret showing. >> >> So perhaps one day we'll be able to modify Chromium's text selection >> support to do something similar. But you still would be using the >> browser's native caret -- and not Orca -- to select text. >> >> A fully Orca-driven text selection would require new API added to ATK >> and AT-SPI2 and then implemented in Firefox and Chromium and Orca. >> That seems like a lot of work. It will also be less performant than >> using the native text selection functionality already in the browser. >> >> So if we're being realistic, my statement in the wiki stands. For the >> foreseeable future, I believe that text selection will require native >> caret navigation to be enabled. But if it's a preference that remains >> set (which is the case in Firefox), I personally don't see this as a >> problem. >> >> Having said that, I need to focus on Chrome/Chromium bugs (in the >> browser and in Orca). That's my number one goal. >> >> On 11/14/19 9:02 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> I wonder if what was intended by this question was: will it >>> eventually be possible to select text without the extra caret command >>> line option? >>> >>> >>> Curious about this as well. Can the existing accessibility support be >>> fleshed out to support text selection sans native caret mode? Or, >>> like with the accessibility renderer, will caret support eventually >>> be automatically toggled on when it is needed? >>> >>> >>> No hurries, just curious. My experience under 77 is already pretty >>> nice, except for a few dialogs which the wiki points out aren't >>> expected to work in earlier versions anyway. Still though, I've >>> waited years to use some of the many highly-maligned Electron apps >>> being published, so I can be patient. :) >>> >>> >>> On 11/14/19 7:29 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>> No. Please see item 5 on the wiki page I cited in my message. >>>> >>>> On 11/14/19 8:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozioł wrote: >>>>> Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret? >>>>> >>>>> W dniu 14.11.2019 o 03:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>>>>> Hey all. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >>>>>> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about >>>>>> testing, so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to >>>>>> test even though I keep saying we're not quite ready. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >>>>>> >>>>>> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and >>>>>> a super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some >>>>>> command line switches too. I've also summarized some key known >>>>>> issues at the bottom of that page. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged >>>>>> to double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to >>>>>> report to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, >>>>>> I should address it, but we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for >>>>>> all Orca users to try, and that means focusing the time I have on >>>>>> Chrome/Chromium. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> --joanie >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From rkelson1993@gmail.com Thu Nov 14 15:09:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08ABA760FF for ; 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Thu, 14 Nov 2019 07:09:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5a4a9857-ecfa-c69d-9e41-54de429df9ef@informal.com.br> <9fa54201-1ace-cc65-1a81-f3220ef8404e@informal.com.br> <8a5e07ea-fd66-c763-2366-fcab3058c506@poczta.onet.pl> In-Reply-To: <8a5e07ea-fd66-c763-2366-fcab3058c506@poczta.onet.pl> From: Rui Kelson Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:09:12 -0300 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Zegan?= Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Vilmar_Est=C3=A1cio_de_Souza?= , orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e50c0205974fdd86" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Help me, please! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:09:21 -0000 --000000000000e50c0205974fdd86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you all! I think I'll test the Evince, and in the end, I'll end up preferring to use the pdftotext feature to convert documents into text. I quite like to develop in C, Java and Python. Eventually, I want to do some testing with NodJS, React and some other javascript frameworks. I noticed that the Bluefish seems to have good accessibility. What environments (IDES) you use to develop? Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 =C3=A0s 11:42, Micha=C5=82 Zegan < webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl> escreveu: > > > W dniu 14.11.2019 o 15:30, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza pisze: > > Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I think thi= s > > goes for windows too. > > > > > > to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince. After the > > pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on. > > > > Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf. > or, convert pdf to text with pdftotext and read it, i prefer that option > usually. > > > > > > Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but support is on > > the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages. > > > > > > Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not supported on > > Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The same > > applies to skype. > they are both electron so based on chromium, so their accessibility is > related to the above point about chrome. > > > > > > What languages =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bdo you intend to use to develop on lin= ux? > > > > > > I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer demand and > > have managed to survive! > > > > Eventually I also write something in python. > > > > I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my machine fo= r > > a long time. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote: > >> Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does not show > >> me any feedback, Skype will not. > >> Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. Eclipse, > >> on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been developed > >> with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge. > >> > >> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 =C3=A0s 10:53, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1c= io de Souza > >> > escreveu: > >> > >> Hi Rui. > >> > >> What kind of problems are you facing? > >> > >> Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for > >> accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over > >> wayland. > >> > >> > >> On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote: > >>> Hello! > >>> > >>> Please help me. > >>> I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm > >>> a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in > >>> some applications. > >>> I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work. > >>> Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2. > >>> I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=3D1 and export > >>> QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=3D1, and also something like: > >>> gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type > >>> bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set > >>> desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false, > >>> also did: export GTK_MODULES=3Dgail:atk, and none of it said, doe= s > >>> not speak anything yet. > >>> I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34 > >>> Thank you! > >>> > >>> RUI Kelson > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > --000000000000e50c0205974fdd86 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you all!
I think I'll test the Evince, and in= the end, I'll end up preferring to use the pdftotext feature to conver= t documents into text.
I quite like to develop in C, Java and Python. Ev= entually, I want to do some testing with NodJS, React and some other javasc= ript frameworks. I noticed that the Bluefish seems to have good accessibili= ty. What environments (IDES) you use to develop?

Em qui., 14 de nov. de = 2019 =C3=A0s 11:42, Micha=C5=82 Zegan <webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl> escreveu:


W dniu 14.11.2019 o=C2=A015:30, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza pisz= e:
> Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I think th= is
> goes for windows too.
>
>
> to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince. =C2=A0 Afte= r the
> pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on. >
> Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf.
or, convert pdf to text with pdftotext and read it, i prefer that option usually.
>
>
> Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but support is o= n
> the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages.
>
>
> Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not supported on=
> Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The sam= e
> applies to skype.
they are both electron so based on chromium, so their accessibility is
related to the above point about chrome.
>
>
> What languages =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bdo you intend to use to develop on li= nux?
>
>
> I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer demand and<= br> > have managed to survive!
>
> Eventually I also write something in python.
>
> I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my machi= ne for
> a long time.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote:
>> Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does n= ot show
>> me any feedback, Skype will not.
>> Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. Ecli= pse,
>> on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been develo= ped
>> with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge.
>>
>> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 =C3=A0s 10:53, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3= =A1cio de Souza
>> <vi= lmar@informal.com.br <mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br>> escreveu:
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Rui.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What kind of problems are you facing?
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Theoretically you would not need to change any = settings for
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0accessibility in fedora, other than choosing th= e xorg session over
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0wayland.
>>
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list = wrote:
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hello!
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Please help me.
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated f= rom Windows to Linux). I'm
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a developer and I'm having serious prob= lems with accessibility in
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0some applications.
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I have done the procedures in multiple site= s, and does not work.
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2.
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=3D1 a= nd export
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=3D1, and a= lso something like:
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/= at-spi-dbus --type
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type= bool false,
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0also did: export GTK_MODULES=3Dgail:atk, an= d none of it said, does
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not speak anything yet.
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thank you!
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RUI Kelson
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0___________________________________________= ____
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0orca-list mailing list
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0orca-list@gnome.org <mailto:orca-list@gnome.org>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://mail.gnome.= org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.or= g/Projects/Orca
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Orca documentation: https:/= /help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html<= /a>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gno= me.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://h= elp.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
>

--000000000000e50c0205974fdd86-- From nolan@thewordnerd.info Thu Nov 14 15:14:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0359A760FF for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:14:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OHRl4toXsWVj for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40FFF760EE for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id F336D2106A for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:14:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=5euu0a aChdzqAJu87uzmDdBtKLhRJNvTPKncsPq+ezQ=; b=Pb9oy+FBVJvhOyUXbVfSkI lIeNp7kmkmhf+No0EL8RyloJnLpoI1GI4i+KQE2ZT0UACEVfCMYUkTaHMSV2HFnQ z6t6HFXBMpxO0JDf/6pLSuV3pWAJTFwm4nv4SNi7/+Lw7fF2pRGuHCcuPHUoR+fz w4xx/26UNVwaz7xfTLFD9u8/Nd/uynNpS94WBzNhsRukk1N2OMAlj7oAXdqmEEAV Peh+HYeUSRJB34sDrBI6z742WyKqTBX+jv+BPRxLi5qJDpnMSh0W8Yri2tPpN6b4 EQTNDINRvjdpGclTm5YhSyvXaM5m94ZqYibMI7myuQhD17q40E44nnmaRxWRmiIA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudeffedgjeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgesrgdtre ertdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgrnhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgv fihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhomhgvrdhorhhgpdhgih hthhhusgdrtghomhenucfkphepjedtrdduudehrdduheefrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhep mhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlh hushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5CF8C8005B for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:14:58 -0500 (EST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5a4a9857-ecfa-c69d-9e41-54de429df9ef@informal.com.br> <9fa54201-1ace-cc65-1a81-f3220ef8404e@informal.com.br> <8a5e07ea-fd66-c763-2366-fcab3058c506@poczta.onet.pl> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <08357ebd-b2ec-889b-b4f3-c7495c9619f0@thewordnerd.info> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:14:57 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B7D2550C7DFE1518403F3BFB" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Help me, please! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:14:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B7D2550C7DFE1518403F3BFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FWIW, I just filed this issue for VSCode: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/84833 In short, it does its own command line parsing, so doesn't yet support --force-renderer-accessibility. Hoping they can either add support for this, or can add an escape hatch for passing whatever parameters we might like to Electron. Feel free to subscribe or thumbs-up the issue if that is of interest. VSCode was usable under Windows when last I checked, and accessibility improvements there benefit all supported platforms to the extent they're able to leverage them, so VSCode is where I'm pinning my hopes for now. On 11/14/19 9:09 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote: > Thank you all! > I think I'll test the Evince, and in the end, I'll end up preferring > to use the pdftotext feature to convert documents into text. > I quite like to develop in C, Java and Python. Eventually, I want to > do some testing with NodJS, React and some other javascript > frameworks. I noticed that the Bluefish seems to have good > accessibility. What environments (IDES) you use to develop? > > Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 11:42, Michał Zegan > > escreveu: > > > > W dniu 14.11.2019 o 15:30, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza pisze: > > Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I > think this > > goes for windows too. > > > > > > to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince.   > After the > > pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on. > > > > Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf. > or, convert pdf to text with pdftotext and read it, i prefer that > option > usually. > > > > > > Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but > support is on > > the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages. > > > > > > Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not > supported on > > Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The same > > applies to skype. > they are both electron so based on chromium, so their accessibility is > related to the above point about chrome. > > > > > > What languages ​​do you intend to use to develop on linux? > > > > > > I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer > demand and > > have managed to survive! > > > > Eventually I also write something in python. > > > > I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my > machine for > > a long time. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote: > >> Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does > not show > >> me any feedback, Skype will not. > >> Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. > Eclipse, > >> on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been > developed > >> with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge. > >> > >> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 10:53, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza > >> > >> > escreveu: > >> > >>     Hi Rui. > >> > >>     What kind of problems are you facing? > >> > >>     Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for > >>     accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg > session over > >>     wayland. > >> > >> > >>     On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote: > >>>     Hello! > >>> > >>>     Please help me. > >>>     I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to > Linux). I'm > >>>     a developer and I'm having serious problems with > accessibility in > >>>     some applications. > >>>     I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not > work. > >>>     Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2. > >>>     I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export > >>>     QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like: > >>>     gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type > >>>     bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set > >>>     desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false, > >>>     also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it > said, does > >>>     not speak anything yet. > >>>     I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34 > >>>     Thank you! > >>> > >>>     RUI Kelson > >>> > >>>  _______________________________________________ > >>>     orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>     Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>     Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>     GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------B7D2550C7DFE1518403F3BFB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

FWIW, I just filed this issue for VSCode:


https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/84833


In short, it does its own command line parsing, so doesn't yet support --force-renderer-accessibility. Hoping they can either add support for this, or can add an escape hatch for passing whatever parameters we might like to Electron.


Feel free to subscribe or thumbs-up the issue if that is of interest. VSCode was usable under Windows when last I checked, and accessibility improvements there benefit all supported platforms to the extent they're able to leverage them, so VSCode is where I'm pinning my hopes for now.


On 11/14/19 9:09 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote:
Thank you all!
I think I'll test the Evince, and in the end, I'll end up preferring to use the pdftotext feature to convert documents into text.
I quite like to develop in C, Java and Python. Eventually, I want to do some testing with NodJS, React and some other javascript frameworks. I noticed that the Bluefish seems to have good accessibility. What environments (IDES) you use to develop?

Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 11:42, Michał Zegan <webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl> escreveu:


W dniu 14.11.2019 o 15:30, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza pisze:
> Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I think this
> goes for windows too.
>
>
> to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince.   After the
> pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on.
>
> Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf.
or, convert pdf to text with pdftotext and read it, i prefer that option
usually.
>
>
> Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but support is on
> the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages.
>
>
> Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not supported on
> Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The same
> applies to skype.
they are both electron so based on chromium, so their accessibility is
related to the above point about chrome.
>
>
> What languages ​​do you intend to use to develop on linux?
>
>
> I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer demand and
> have managed to survive!
>
> Eventually I also write something in python.
>
> I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my machine for
> a long time.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote:
>> Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does not show
>> me any feedback, Skype will not.
>> Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. Eclipse,
>> on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been developed
>> with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge.
>>
>> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 10:53, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>> <vilmar@informal.com.br <mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br>> escreveu:
>>
>>     Hi Rui.
>>
>>     What kind of problems are you facing?
>>
>>     Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for
>>     accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over
>>     wayland.
>>
>>
>>     On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote:
>>>     Hello!
>>>
>>>     Please help me.
>>>     I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm
>>>     a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in
>>>     some applications.
>>>     I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work.
>>>     Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2.
>>>     I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export
>>>     QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like:
>>>     gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type
>>>     bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set
>>>     desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false,
>>>     also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it said, does
>>>     not speak anything yet.
>>>     I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34
>>>     Thank you!
>>>
>>>     RUI Kelson
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     orca-list mailing list
>>>     orca-list@gnome.org <mailto:orca-list@gnome.org>
>>>     https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>     Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
>>>     Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
>>>     GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> 


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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:19:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------85B2D274F96D8AE323D11662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To develop in java eclipse is champion, at least in my opinion. To develop in other languages ​​I find emacspeak quite interesting, although the learning curve is long. There is also geany which seems to be very interesting. On 11/14/19 12:09 PM, Rui Kelson wrote: > Thank you all! > I think I'll test the Evince, and in the end, I'll end up preferring > to use the pdftotext feature to convert documents into text. > I quite like to develop in C, Java and Python. Eventually, I want to > do some testing with NodJS, React and some other javascript > frameworks. I noticed that the Bluefish seems to have good > accessibility. What environments (IDES) you use to develop? > > Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 11:42, Michał Zegan > > escreveu: > > > > W dniu 14.11.2019 o 15:30, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza pisze: > > Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I > think this > > goes for windows too. > > > > > > to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince.   > After the > > pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on. > > > > Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf. > or, convert pdf to text with pdftotext and read it, i prefer that > option > usually. > > > > > > Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but > support is on > > the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages. > > > > > > Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not > supported on > > Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The same > > applies to skype. > they are both electron so based on chromium, so their accessibility is > related to the above point about chrome. > > > > > > What languages ​​do you intend to use to develop on linux? > > > > > > I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer > demand and > > have managed to survive! > > > > Eventually I also write something in python. > > > > I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my > machine for > > a long time. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote: > >> Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does > not show > >> me any feedback, Skype will not. > >> Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. > Eclipse, > >> on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been > developed > >> with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge. > >> > >> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 10:53, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza > >> > >> > escreveu: > >> > >>     Hi Rui. > >> > >>     What kind of problems are you facing? > >> > >>     Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for > >>     accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg > session over > >>     wayland. > >> > >> > >>     On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote: > >>>     Hello! > >>> > >>>     Please help me. > >>>     I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to > Linux). I'm > >>>     a developer and I'm having serious problems with > accessibility in > >>>     some applications. > >>>     I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not > work. > >>>     Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2. > >>>     I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export > >>>     QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like: > >>>     gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type > >>>     bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set > >>>     desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false, > >>>     also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it > said, does > >>>     not speak anything yet. > >>>     I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34 > >>>     Thank you! > >>> > >>>     RUI Kelson > >>> > >>>  _______________________________________________ > >>>     orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >>>     Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > >>>     Orca documentation: > https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > >>>     GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > --------------85B2D274F96D8AE323D11662 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

To develop in java eclipse is champion, at least in my opinion.

To develop in other languages ​​I find emacspeak quite interesting, although the learning curve is long.

There is also geany which seems to be very interesting.

On 11/14/19 12:09 PM, Rui Kelson wrote:
Thank you all!
I think I'll test the Evince, and in the end, I'll end up preferring to use the pdftotext feature to convert documents into text.
I quite like to develop in C, Java and Python. Eventually, I want to do some testing with NodJS, React and some other javascript frameworks. I noticed that the Bluefish seems to have good accessibility. What environments (IDES) you use to develop?

Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 11:42, Michał Zegan <webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl> escreveu:


W dniu 14.11.2019 o 15:30, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza pisze:
> Unfortunately not all applications are accessible on linux, I think this
> goes for windows too.
>
>
> to read pdf documents you can use a program called evince.   After the
> pdf file loads in evince yu need to press f7 to turn caret mode on.
>
> Another alternative is use firefox to read pdf.
or, convert pdf to text with pdftotext and read it, i prefer that option
usually.
>
>
> Google Chrome is not officially supported on Orca yet but support is on
> the way. For now you can use firefox to access web pages.
>
>
> Except for mistakes on my part, Visual Studio code is not supported on
> Orca either, at least it wasn't the last time I tested it. The same
> applies to skype.
they are both electron so based on chromium, so their accessibility is
related to the above point about chrome.
>
>
> What languages ​​do you intend to use to develop on linux?
>
>
> I currently use java or dotnet core, depending on customer demand and
> have managed to survive!
>
> Eventually I also write something in python.
>
> I always use linux to develop and I don't have windows on my machine for
> a long time.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> On 11/14/19 11:06 AM, Rui Kelson wrote:
>> Well, I'm not able to read PDF documents, Google Chrome does not show
>> me any feedback, Skype will not.
>> Visual Studio code either, not yet tested the Android Studio. Eclipse,
>> on the other hand, worked well, perhaps because it has been developed
>> with the SWT instead of Swing, which need the atk-bridge.
>>
>> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 10:53, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>> <vilmar@informal.com.br <mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br>> escreveu:
>>
>>     Hi Rui.
>>
>>     What kind of problems are you facing?
>>
>>     Theoretically you would not need to change any settings for
>>     accessibility in fedora, other than choosing the xorg session over
>>     wayland.
>>
>>
>>     On 11/14/19 10:39 AM, Rui Kelson via orca-list wrote:
>>>     Hello!
>>>
>>>     Please help me.
>>>     I'm using Linux, (definitely migrated from Windows to Linux). I'm
>>>     a developer and I'm having serious problems with accessibility in
>>>     some applications.
>>>     I have done the procedures in multiple sites, and does not work.
>>>     Installed qt-at-spi, and the at-spi2.
>>>     I've done export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 and export
>>>     QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1, and also something like:
>>>     gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type
>>>     bool true, too: gconftool-2 --set
>>>     desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false,
>>>     also did: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk, and none of it said, does
>>>     not speak anything yet.
>>>     I am running fedora 31 with gnome 3.34
>>>     Thank you!
>>>
>>>     RUI Kelson
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     orca-list mailing list
>>>     orca-list@gnome.org <mailto:orca-list@gnome.org>
>>>     https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>     Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
>>>     Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
>>>     GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
>

--------------85B2D274F96D8AE323D11662-- From envrin.group@gmail.com Thu Nov 14 20:06:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A227610A for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 20:06:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EDqX6qKuy-oa for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 20:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr1-f51.google.com (mail-wr1-f51.google.com [209.85.221.51]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB9F8760FD for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 20:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-f51.google.com with SMTP id r10so8114620wrx.3 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:06:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UKh50Ya3/h5anAiS3RKnhfzGfWVO6zvytTSKkI4hRxI=; b=oUO9JfjbYy56QYxEeiOKzpffWfLVFEPPyR5T+0tpTPKwDOkE5olJoaKbD5bS15JVkr EHRsOIxvuctR2DNEriptWAudMSkcDw5m89lxMemLM2FvdfCirQkEj8V1Ds1YV5BkSMYy 1IRTVmg4y3qo/fIR+U9EQTO7qy/eWc5zobYu0xy0GcWIKvJlynFC+rLYTHvsmA61IXcZ 9DfyqEy/3pyf01QC/EQ6l5xK18yc/9r9SS+WL3xaMa5zgkH0cPjYMmRIS4k1r/Pj1OPK Ke8l4kkFz0FtFlwjjcm4x1APZELY/OQg+b1qCXl5hB3qYPyfdcT8CAODD3mGg1iZ1BwH /i3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UKh50Ya3/h5anAiS3RKnhfzGfWVO6zvytTSKkI4hRxI=; b=j4QorLEF7R1aXQI66ynvabAkrYzt9lhvKCChh1YWMgGlYjFQ5bcdc+3PP9DCYh2D0Z rm1puNROCmYFrSQ4np4ZitzS5NqHLHIknsir9tMpPXrQrfcm9YwxdEN7NYAsogWZheSo 201XB1evAXcl7IasX9ukk+XHm+Xb27z8tQgH6pkddSlJqiI28LNu76X37Pzr4fJCKv30 bihJD+43ufT+474Vtcjpz+vwf0McuETY6WVhnB7QKB/ciPJnBa41T4JH68htbQ5mB3Uq hQWwM08ueu440DD+bTzUsIxWdxlUG/rCs5XqvG4IkZIAHEP0PyLb2i/wXV/Fnu7sAG9i zG+w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAViDxaj0Kvn9ntc5b6frDFgU/fWodAUa/G6K2h1camva8G7s/kY Q/LlZx62oxiZVLIkV9nQTTzxvM1lXOCWmv1QBfY2Xg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxJFPSikEve65uGoiihHw2y5FxYhC8lS9NtOEwCzqptgdxsNVNZW93HzsVeBe4xZEYTJAheGCKhFYEZbjSUW/w= X-Received: by 2002:adf:b1cb:: with SMTP id r11mr555135wra.246.1573762012538; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:06:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a1c:9e0a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: Matt - Envrin Group Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:06:52 -0800 Message-ID: To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: [orca-list] Get cursor position in pixels in Firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 20:06:48 -0000 Hi folks, Just curious, any way to get the current screen position of the curso in X,Y pixels when viewing a page in Firefox? Thanks, Matt From aarnaud@hypra.fr Fri Nov 15 10:00:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C07760FC for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:00:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qe0UAaE-TBD8 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A95A760F1 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (217.220.12.109.rev.sfr.net [109.12.220.217]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 149DF583280 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:00:11 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1573812011; bh=QJav+VAmlAkG+1tLiWATEVeIJu5FbJJefL/ZWexA3Ug=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=bIXqHqBDgl5CHwEJn8w9PoIoc8cYsiIpD4coDZ040vB/dVzr5d9KI3NZQZFiI5tsE AjzghSVY+s3hnLwQLPV2bfaM4znoKWSGcWYNWu5SLGSou1q4GV5W0iHvHh04qXpuOE NuHvWA08J2NOV/13YMGUxoFViL4/zJ14LJMekArk= To: Orca List From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:00:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9936BD0C1B667884D4B6B110" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: [orca-list] When checking "only speak displayed text" Orca doesn't announce the new window with alt + tab X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:00:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9936BD0C1B667884D4B6B110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Environment: - Orca 3.32, 3.34 and master - Debian 9, 10 and testing - Marco and Compiz windows managers Steps to reproduce: 1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences 2) Open two windows 3) Hold alt and press tab multiple time Result: Orca stays silent. Expected result: Orca should announce the new window when pressing tab to let the user choose on what window he wants to focus. Best regards. --------------9936BD0C1B667884D4B6B110 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

Environment:
- Orca 3.32, 3.34 and master
- Debian 9, 10 and testing
- Marco and Compiz windows managers

Steps to reproduce:
1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences
2) Open two windows
3) Hold alt and press tab multiple time

Result:
Orca stays silent.

Expected result:
Orca should announce the new window when pressing tab to let the user choose on what window he wants to focus.

Best regards.
--------------9936BD0C1B667884D4B6B110-- From nolan@thewordnerd.info Fri Nov 15 12:47:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5355B76116 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 12:47:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cTSI98wQOukT for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 12:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.21]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4753E76115 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 12:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8194C0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 07:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 15 Nov 2019 07:47:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=BXIxoP W4dYyMsMPYMe9N7pybbh5IcMA+4sCGI85eJEI=; b=MGrZu0D12Xs61835gi+Y06 fAqH5n+dYF4EMxBJP0ooMYg06C6l4Rl9mMNVIKw3/9o51M66Qv13woCoknnUOik/ 05ilSY4HkWTKXqCtedFqI4A8nyZrZjTYSAoh+LTA5qSPXQDAfwmjkdmORthQubBA aKVCkIU+UOqrmlRwr53w0+kLa2b1JMxUCLOGw+MpPfQtaqa+pb+x4caR8IauaL51 9CXBUfPxMfsIzK676TaxdqdbA0YSUJtgAD3JUjqG5pR273y2MPdx1NwCc1xDkdIX kP1KC9e3ITtjqc81Hh50HqUGabD0FcT+MBOS3oWmH0snhSOdjFPVJGgTa6drQAQQ == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefhedggeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefvhffukffffgggtgfgsehtjeertd dtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefpohhlrghnucffrghrihhlvghkuceonhholhgrnhesthhhvgif ohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhoqeenucffohhmrghinhepiihoohhmrdhushenucfkphepje dtrdduudehrdduheefrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnohhlrghn sehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A7949306005F for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 07:47:12 -0500 (EST) To: Orca From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 06:47:08 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] Simulated mouse clicks seem to be at incorrect coordinates in Firefox nightly and master X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 12:47:09 -0000 1. Visit https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/master-account-apis/meeting-apis. 2. Press Ctrl-f and type "webhook", then enter. 3. Arrow down twice to App Events and simulate a left-click. For me, this seems to open the Account Events event list from the line above. Saw this elsewhere recently too, but was prepared to blame that app until I found it on Zoom's site. I suppose they *both* could be doing something wrong as well. :) Thanks. From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 15 14:49:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E707C76102 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:49:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ph43UnwdLAZ for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D500760F9 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:49:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=kBwd3jW0tC+fKt/Sdkanq25sAAX/IFYNZlNfgzy/lvY=; b=IKJaZvPSUClNJzTFtnh3wNO6WQs9tnI3rKFXPOv4lvT42YS8kU9uzCiQ4cMDNeP36255as7OJHoFl3AyoZ1azhxEy5zWshEJChLpCbLQW405DA8bnMQoknbw2lj/pi8fxUBeqh/zlQPuZ6NYcOO6aH17reccL2EWxYE5TYxu30h2xWq6HRN/ZAWFGMJFBQRULHvGpAfcTX5Zlgwub0Xgs6kOQwC5BadsR4whev3MCazvAJcH/s6VNywWiaSDxd/GxE8HohdPjCgP33LL9foSlKenO2Z9IJuIe8VLPuMRh+DreMuFq8uHvVHUiQORrRJQjjACiXe+4bMe/fRrTJUWhw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVcuj-0003Zv-Ls; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:49:33 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , Orca References: From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <1202602d-399d-6594-af71-2b3a39b17b37@igalia.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:49:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Simulated mouse clicks seem to be at incorrect coordinates in Firefox nightly and master X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:49:33 -0000 Hey Nolan. I just tried this with Firefox Nightly and Orca master, and the simulated left click expanded App Events, revealing "App Deauthorized" below it. Could you please send me a full debug.out so I can see if there's anything which jumps out at me? Thanks! --joanie On 11/15/19 7:47 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > 1. Visit > https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/master-account-apis/meeting-apis. > > > 2. Press Ctrl-f and type "webhook", then enter. > > 3. Arrow down twice to App Events and simulate a left-click. > > > For me, this seems to open the Account Events event list from the line > above. > > > Saw this elsewhere recently too, but was prepared to blame that app > until I found it on Zoom's site. I suppose they *both* could be doing > something wrong as well. :) > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From nolan@thewordnerd.info Fri Nov 15 14:53:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8AB760F9 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:53:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MQ62pPtV9nrx for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.20]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49FBB760EE for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49D8581; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:53:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=MDFVj8GUKHV1FCSLdnU548p/hMuN3ndoFnsZapS2j PY=; b=rQYOCGetp7S+8GxyzGMckzgmgXzEnG91PA5nNTVe9fIA/uGW1rbH3jWv0 cCpi6di33O/djlrlUcRUwAnTjAf7fYRszWWRXDmKD3uMAABDMpCGvgRwQ2zfJdYy SND0WfeG9vOqTWNnmyy4gmlmI8H17DOcZkxw1bC5jimyNFn4hfsETSQmAts6zF2B z8wNAjSMuDE6Z171nfrOp12uKmkxWLL7sqGW7w2gxzh9In+mDQwqiR04IHAkHZ3x cPycCr8AMDJ1FvF/IauDcP25uodle1tyacjYCxCOWAurgwJoGiXjGTGBY2Xkfs1h 8O5nHtOGtCSk5Fmd6NRWtROG9QrTw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefhedgjedtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffuvfhfkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgr nhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqne cuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhomhgvrdhorhhgpdhrihhothdrihhmpdhrihhothhsrdhimhdp mhgrthhrihigrdhorhhgnecukfhppeejtddrudduhedrudehfedrudekvdenucfrrghrrg hmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepnhholhgrnhesthhhvgifohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhonecu vehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 942F580059; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: Nolan Darilek To: Joanmarie Diggs , Orca References: <14bfbc73-c466-3d21-8f38-9775d99894dc@thewordnerd.info> <020c4b15-49a9-d705-7ae3-c607f09a24b0@igalia.com> <1bcbc0c8-52a0-ea82-26db-1f7f3900ff14@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <5372570b-76f4-a970-bd11-511e5e1bfe82@thewordnerd.info> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:53:52 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1bcbc0c8-52a0-ea82-26db-1f7f3900ff14@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Odd issue with the Riot web client X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:53:50 -0000 OK, was mistaken. The failure case is a bit different, but when I type into the field under Chromium, I can't arrow up past the previous message. This is under Chromium 78, which I was just upgraded to. And yes yes, before you yell at me, I'm interested in this more as what now appears to be a cross-browser bug with slightly different behaviors, not as a Chromium issue. :) I just want this to work somewhere--I don't much care where. Thanks. On 11/13/19 5:52 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > FWIW, I finally installed Chromium, and this doesn't happen with > Chromium 77.0.3865.120 Fedora Project and Orca master. So seems > specific to Firefox. > > > On 11/5/19 3:05 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> I can reproduce this. It looks like an Orca bug. I'm still debugging >> it, but will hopefully have it fixed before too long. I don't think >> it's a regression though. Or if it is, it's super old. I went back to >> Orca 3.30 and the problem happens there.... >> >> On 11/1/19 11:29 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> Hey folks, >>> >>> >>> The Riot developers have been pouring lots of effort recently into >>> making their web-based Matrix client accessible. But I'm >>> experiencing a pretty significant issue with their new text entry >>> system for messages that they can't duplicate under NVDA. I'm >>> wondering if any Orca users are seeing the same, and if this can be >>> diagnosed as either a Firefox/Orca issue under Linux, or as >>> something they aren't doing correctly on their end. To test, you'll >>> need a Matrix account. Once you have one and are logged in, visit >>> this instance with accessibility improvements: >>> >>> >>> https://riots.im/adhoc/a11y >>> >>> >>> Join a room or chat. You'll probably be automatically focused into >>> the message input field and put in focus mode. Once there, enter >>> browse mode and try arrowing up. >>> >>> >>> Apparently, NVDA handles this use case fine both in the >>> accessibility build and the development build at riot.im/develop. >>> Orca, on the other hand, won't let me arrow up. I hear "Newline," >>> followed by some buttons, and focus lands back in the message entry >>> field. The only way to escape this field is to enter browse mode and >>> use b/B/h/some other quick navigation key, then hope you don't land >>> back in the mud. Happens under Orca master as of a few minutes ago >>> and Firefox nightly as of a few days ago, but it's happened for a >>> bit now so I don't think it's a bleeding-edge regression. Apologies >>> for not reporting it--been a bit busy and it hasn't been high enough >>> priority for me. >>> >>> >>> Is there any actionable feedback I can give the Riot folks to fix >>> this? They're pretty actively looking for feedback in the >>> #a11y:matrix.org room, so if you're Matrix-inclined and want to give >>> it then there is the best place, or I'll happily relay it otherwise. >>> >>> >>> Thanks a bunch. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 15 15:07:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2461C760F9 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:07:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t6hyhhfeqAqa for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CF7B760EE for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:07:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=re+XiTBc1BRfYB8CtqLC9mVqRDWBPFAYKxT427gw/Yc=; b=RW2/uHbAqQORvZQ0y8TEeoHScTU0nKYY0e9y+z2JDTiKcS0d8yGSCONOfh9CmzCH99l93Teu3Xz9/oz3hQz4x00ieaXvVW5TlHciSGwHvwIjHB2vu8Ft27gVyQ02YY7ijvyoPEBV62rqsPLs52DuNUbXS4yzJmzga1Zo2S9lHaAG53BsgrdR/VlpU9q8sd31ffdv27pEjG13rt73t1SLsPl3zxSoUQXrC6rKYaz1yx1m/nJsmdatmUssb7VZ+aq1beqXaosqbV7rVoO7FtapyJg5yxshaSAVaRoKpJvK5IeWVVYJmJrvN3GJLc6P+ireX4rStCaNt5BovHJCdcHMjA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVdCO-0005VR-SN; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:07:49 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:07:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] When checking "only speak displayed text" Orca doesn't announce the new window with alt + tab X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:07:44 -0000 Should now be fixed. Thanks! --joanie On 11/15/19 5:00 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Hello, > > Environment: > - Orca 3.32, 3.34 and master > - Debian 9, 10 and testing > - Marco and Compiz windows managers > > Steps to reproduce: > 1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences > 2) Open two windows > 3) Hold alt and press tab multiple time > > Result: > Orca stays silent. > > Expected result: > Orca should announce the new window when pressing tab to let the user > choose on what window he wants to focus. > > Best regards. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From nolan@thewordnerd.info Fri Nov 15 15:16:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC7E760F9 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:16:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ozvEOcwu1Ygx for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.20]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A33E760EE for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EAF62C for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:16:28 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=hMaLAk Mp3E3LVxLGzLUJoKDAfIDWbccrwLmYR913O58=; b=JJUrApfcOvN0VwKRayBEbi HrdonGFfyrNuuvWTJOAjXfRoqgfEgLAOYyk+UiM273SFDCC7tf1ElHickk6H+iHk CGjDsLSMQfrON38CJDvBHrtNtV+fFcZDCw6LggyHwpAjWNjtGAGlcCEdWqi3CXyR 6cE3UkUhchytIFCQjy6/lBHgXT5wSRKymd/5Qvpkor81NY4aDvx8vIfxHjBKut5s nZlkEXgJJxqr7ki1hqq/kDwKRd2MhE/oxKTpESvBpw+/GExma3Er5wMbEZgqXDql E+HOi6GzpXSS8dZcKGaxEwMdnu1+sZYf9gWA+YCCEbi3/CZ1YR6WLkcuMuvaurhw == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefhedgjeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefvhffukffffgggtgfgsehtjeertd dtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefpohhlrghnucffrghrihhlvghkuceonhholhgrnhesthhhvgif ohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhoqeenucffohhmrghinhepfhhirhgvfhhogidrtghomhenuc fkphepjedtrdduudehrdduheefrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehn ohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfohenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpe dt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3D02880063 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:16:27 -0500 (EST) To: Orca From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <3b177bc2-62f7-86ac-7bf0-7a0499ccd52d@thewordnerd.info> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:16:26 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] Any idea what's happening here? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:16:22 -0000 Not sure if Orca can do anything about this, and I'm not immediately sure what triggers it, but this time I captured a debug.out. Sometimes I'll have an app open that sends desktop notifications, and will close it with Alt-F4. I imagine some of these apps continue running in the background--the Riot desktop IM client, in this instance. But whereas previous notifications spoke nicely, any future notifications (presumably from the closed app but I can't be sure) yank focus from wherever it is, throw it in a panel somewhere for a second or so, then return it to the app. I don't know if there is a different notification style for apps without an open window, but the only solution I've found is a reboot. Kind of hard to debug a thing if focus keeps bouncing out of the terminal, browser, etc. you're using for a second or so several times a minute. :) This morning when I discovered the new details I reported on the Riot issue, I closed its desktop app and immediately noticed this behavior. While typing the previous message, I relaunched Orca with debug logging, sat around for a few seconds, and caught a log of this. Maybe nothing can be done about it, but I thought I'd ask. :) Thanks. https://send.firefox.com/download/1ff29a25e5b127cf/#dzSFAaRwo2Mic464CQ8gQg From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 15 16:18:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFEE760FF for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:18:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2CBHJjywZnBb for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97AC9760D0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:18:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=A3f20Vi/1Co75T51t9JLzBBgRGsG8ckkVgVVnlKDxe0=; b=IexQIx1DWhL3XbfkHNYJlZSamA7a647RjfICCJ3QGLyZ13gI7/AEKeXfAu0/fgHLeuvx6EfJUUa3kkgkUPtL4SDgMOOalX+7BwjmsdW1KtaqppKUrLddESWcWeuhip1d0F07LNuRFRVPW8LZwUWOBpNVmf0LeuEJc1F1apv9n1L1JDyEEfii+mhTz8psUezAQIpmmgWGBikUjlaKwiZvmQWAqINiJtuJNuZ1/ahKGik0WHsaRMX3aoS0ZrT0YwlHd06HNgrWklpWJs3fpr7b7r9dNA5G82gVtULEQHSKlIJnYd4akUfm8Pge0Q6JiolB+/r8o4HGpjn44oR3iyfLzw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVeJE-0003BA-7c; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:18:56 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek , Orca References: <3b177bc2-62f7-86ac-7bf0-7a0499ccd52d@thewordnerd.info> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <74f68fef-c2a2-447c-ac62-78b97a8776dd@igalia.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:18:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3b177bc2-62f7-86ac-7bf0-7a0499ccd52d@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Any idea what's happening here? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:18:56 -0000 Not sure. But here's what I see in your debug.out: You're in Thunderbird in a message. A notification comes in ("it'll eventually replace riot-android") and Orca presents it. Thunderbird then emits a window:deactivate event. This tells Orca you're not in that Thunderbird window any more. I'm guessing this is happening because gnome-shell is emitting a window:activate event which tells Orca that you're in gnome-shell. gnome-shell then tells orca a bush button whose name is "settings" is focused. That looks like the window switcher. I don't see any keyboard events though. Did you get into the window switcher yourself? Then in gnome-shell an object with role window claims to be focused. After that, Thunderbird claims to be focused again and you're back in a message composition window. If that reflects your experience, then I guess it would be nice if windows were not getting activated and deactivated each time a notification came in. That said, rebooting seems a little extreme. Presumably there is a process hanging around in the background that you could kill without having to do that. On 11/15/19 10:16 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Not sure if Orca can do anything about this, and I'm not immediately > sure what triggers it, but this time I captured a debug.out. Sometimes > I'll have an app open that sends desktop notifications, and will close > it with Alt-F4. I imagine some of these apps continue running in the > background--the Riot desktop IM client, in this instance. But whereas > previous notifications spoke nicely, any future notifications > (presumably from the closed app but I can't be sure) yank focus from > wherever it is, throw it in a panel somewhere for a second or so, then > return it to the app. I don't know if there is a different notification > style for apps without an open window, but the only solution I've found > is a reboot. Kind of hard to debug a thing if focus keeps bouncing out > of the terminal, browser, etc. you're using for a second or so several > times a minute. :) > > > This morning when I discovered the new details I reported on the Riot > issue, I closed its desktop app and immediately noticed this behavior. > While typing the previous message, I relaunched Orca with debug logging, > sat around for a few seconds, and caught a log of this. Maybe nothing > can be done about it, but I thought I'd ask. :) > > > Thanks. > > > https://send.firefox.com/download/1ff29a25e5b127cf/#dzSFAaRwo2Mic464CQ8gQg > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From nolan@thewordnerd.info Fri Nov 15 16:24:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2E9760FF for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:24:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KuFyk8PI-wJL for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04221760D0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263A765D; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:24:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=EYMIF2yadDBGNGJAc8AG8xRgKwvrW5ZZlwkI+D/5v XY=; b=Vf+p+ILOKSpEiRuOIzqK+5vqS23RgJxSZfoomkOecwsCxoQeSyiURv8lT iLzuyu9tYB2IEb+jrR/B6vtGipu+WcYOqgu9S4Tfabi2JgdxWRTm9FyQLKqy81bK nWKfx4YiOOv98Hg+qrTxp7kJ9bDis1LmxVD6I1JAZDdri1WIiHbUFr3OOzf5m2NU VjIeKsLT7ddUKVgGSAOm7Z7YX6HL9nTRUWX0tlQe98pb5CK1rPs+bZLYaPsexcoo 8W629dQvWfpCFVfCe12J4kCxRiIyW/Z0FQCFBC7i/hJjWtThASfPKRdE5rK+W+Wr IeBkf3LesIb9i5uJv37lUU0TpUNWw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudefhedgkeekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgr nhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgvfihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqne cuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhomhgvrdhorhhgpdhfihhrvghfohigrdgtohhmnecukfhppeej tddrudduhedrudehfedrudekvdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepnhholhgrnh esthhhvgifohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhonecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 049A1306005C; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:24:38 -0500 (EST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Orca References: <3b177bc2-62f7-86ac-7bf0-7a0499ccd52d@thewordnerd.info> <74f68fef-c2a2-447c-ac62-78b97a8776dd@igalia.com> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:24:38 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <74f68fef-c2a2-447c-ac62-78b97a8776dd@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Any idea what's happening here? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:24:37 -0000 Yeah, that was just me restarting Orca in debug mode, sitting idly until a notification appeared, then restarting. I thought I might be in the window switcher somehow, but I certainly didn't press any keys other than to restart Orca. Ah well, sounds like a gnome-shell issue. Maybe I'll file it upstream once I figure out how to provide them with more debugging info. Thanks for parsing that debug log. It's quite a bit, and the focus changes happened so quickly that I couldn't really investigate. On 11/15/19 10:18 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Not sure. But here's what I see in your debug.out: > > You're in Thunderbird in a message. A notification comes in ("it'll > eventually replace riot-android") and Orca presents it. > > Thunderbird then emits a window:deactivate event. This tells Orca > you're not in that Thunderbird window any more. I'm guessing this is > happening because gnome-shell is emitting a window:activate event > which tells Orca that you're in gnome-shell. gnome-shell then tells > orca a bush button whose name is "settings" is focused. That looks > like the window switcher. I don't see any keyboard events though. Did > you get into the window switcher yourself? > > Then in gnome-shell an object with role window claims to be focused. > > After that, Thunderbird claims to be focused again and you're back in > a message composition window. > > If that reflects your experience, then I guess it would be nice if > windows were not getting activated and deactivated each time a > notification came in. > > That said, rebooting seems a little extreme. Presumably there is a > process hanging around in the background that you could kill without > having to do that. > > On 11/15/19 10:16 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> Not sure if Orca can do anything about this, and I'm not immediately >> sure what triggers it, but this time I captured a debug.out. >> Sometimes I'll have an app open that sends desktop notifications, and >> will close it with Alt-F4. I imagine some of these apps continue >> running in the background--the Riot desktop IM client, in this >> instance. But whereas previous notifications spoke nicely, any future >> notifications (presumably from the closed app but I can't be sure) >> yank focus from wherever it is, throw it in a panel somewhere for a >> second or so, then return it to the app. I don't know if there is a >> different notification style for apps without an open window, but the >> only solution I've found is a reboot. Kind of hard to debug a thing >> if focus keeps bouncing out of the terminal, browser, etc. you're >> using for a second or so several times a minute. :) >> >> >> This morning when I discovered the new details I reported on the Riot >> issue, I closed its desktop app and immediately noticed this >> behavior. While typing the previous message, I relaunched Orca with >> debug logging, sat around for a few seconds, and caught a log of >> this. Maybe nothing can be done about it, but I thought I'd ask. :) >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> https://send.firefox.com/download/1ff29a25e5b127cf/#dzSFAaRwo2Mic464CQ8gQg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Fri Nov 15 16:34:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1152760FC for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:34:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zSuSGemn2f16 for ; 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <74f68fef-c2a2-447c-ac62-78b97a8776dd@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ONET_PL-MDA-SEGREGATION: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Any idea what's happening here? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:34:59 -0000 Pro tip. It was documented when gnome-shell was in late development I believe, not sure if it still is, but it works. Pressing alt+f2, and in the run bar typing the command "restart" will cause gnome-shell to restart itself. This helps with the mentioned problem I believe, I had it present a few times already here. W dniu 15.11.2019 o 17:18, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: > Not sure. But here's what I see in your debug.out: > > You're in Thunderbird in a message. A notification comes in ("it'll > eventually replace riot-android") and Orca presents it. > > Thunderbird then emits a window:deactivate event. This tells Orca you're > not in that Thunderbird window any more. I'm guessing this is happening > because gnome-shell is emitting a window:activate event which tells Orca > that you're in gnome-shell. gnome-shell then tells orca a bush button > whose name is "settings" is focused. That looks like the window > switcher. I don't see any keyboard events though. Did you get into the > window switcher yourself? > > Then in gnome-shell an object with role window claims to be focused. > > After that, Thunderbird claims to be focused again and you're back in a > message composition window. > > If that reflects your experience, then I guess it would be nice if > windows were not getting activated and deactivated each time a > notification came in. > > That said, rebooting seems a little extreme. Presumably there is a > process hanging around in the background that you could kill without > having to do that. > > On 11/15/19 10:16 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> Not sure if Orca can do anything about this, and I'm not immediately >> sure what triggers it, but this time I captured a debug.out. Sometimes >> I'll have an app open that sends desktop notifications, and will close >> it with Alt-F4. I imagine some of these apps continue running in the >> background--the Riot desktop IM client, in this instance. But whereas >> previous notifications spoke nicely, any future notifications >> (presumably from the closed app but I can't be sure) yank focus from >> wherever it is, throw it in a panel somewhere for a second or so, then >> return it to the app. I don't know if there is a different >> notification style for apps without an open window, but the only >> solution I've found is a reboot. Kind of hard to debug a thing if >> focus keeps bouncing out of the terminal, browser, etc. you're using >> for a second or so several times a minute. :) >> >> >> This morning when I discovered the new details I reported on the Riot >> issue, I closed its desktop app and immediately noticed this behavior. >> While typing the previous message, I relaunched Orca with debug >> logging, sat around for a few seconds, and caught a log of this. Maybe >> nothing can be done about it, but I thought I'd ask. :) >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> https://send.firefox.com/download/1ff29a25e5b127cf/#dzSFAaRwo2Mic464CQ8gQg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 15 16:51:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A00B760D0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:51:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s7uOPwQ64K1f for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4AF276107 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:51:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=21hdfajKV3AsP+rA2pBKbO/QwcMnGZqgNTUYZ9L3lZg=; b=hly/fzoxCE0fq/zsyOnDyJGODhlfcI9wQ0zlGnHlKo6riRzjJ/4qLWHIObmXRwrYeXjyiJSlB1vyzjcq8trBZQBdavfnj4+s+D6X4fYqhOB7e+Ced+iMvjBFZwc/sSKpK6oNTj+CpH81dpHnb1EZu9WiNaaJ9afYzRVWa2WxLrFbFnK1vdjjRHQcK5m8sFG4vp3g9dqzP0Fv+yFfw4A3Fi/ttVS/q5VgwaX0Cc+zv551eoJoRnA46fzHOX6fiYxs3THdqqrlQKgBN2sfnfeiLksuvagMSj2gyJsQ0r6VLxzj/FOi2JL+9ImMKIWEMOPe0QxycrV/uDB32KhAePlh8Q==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVeoU-0005pL-84; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:51:14 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , Nolan Darilek , Orca References: <3b177bc2-62f7-86ac-7bf0-7a0499ccd52d@thewordnerd.info> <74f68fef-c2a2-447c-ac62-78b97a8776dd@igalia.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:51:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Any idea what's happening here? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:51:13 -0000 This is actually a good protip. Though you don't even have to type out "restart". "r" should suffice. I have found it also comes in handy when your systems seems to become less responsive with Orca. While I've never been able to make it happen deliberately, gnome-shell sometimes creates accessible objects which it never destroys. So they just keep building up like plaque on teeth which never get brushed. When Orca goes looking for things in gnome-shell, it has to wade through all of them. :-/ --joanie On 11/15/19 11:34 AM, Michał Zegan wrote: > Pro tip. It was documented when gnome-shell was in late development I > believe, not sure if it still is, but it works. > Pressing alt+f2, and in the run bar typing the command "restart" will > cause gnome-shell to restart itself. > This helps with the mentioned problem I believe, I had it present a few > times already here. > > W dniu 15.11.2019 o 17:18, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >> Not sure. But here's what I see in your debug.out: >> >> You're in Thunderbird in a message. A notification comes in ("it'll >> eventually replace riot-android") and Orca presents it. >> >> Thunderbird then emits a window:deactivate event. This tells Orca you're >> not in that Thunderbird window any more. I'm guessing this is happening >> because gnome-shell is emitting a window:activate event which tells Orca >> that you're in gnome-shell. gnome-shell then tells orca a bush button >> whose name is "settings" is focused. That looks like the window >> switcher. I don't see any keyboard events though. Did you get into the >> window switcher yourself? >> >> Then in gnome-shell an object with role window claims to be focused. >> >> After that, Thunderbird claims to be focused again and you're back in a >> message composition window. >> >> If that reflects your experience, then I guess it would be nice if >> windows were not getting activated and deactivated each time a >> notification came in. >> >> That said, rebooting seems a little extreme. Presumably there is a >> process hanging around in the background that you could kill without >> having to do that. >> >> On 11/15/19 10:16 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> Not sure if Orca can do anything about this, and I'm not immediately >>> sure what triggers it, but this time I captured a debug.out. Sometimes >>> I'll have an app open that sends desktop notifications, and will close >>> it with Alt-F4. I imagine some of these apps continue running in the >>> background--the Riot desktop IM client, in this instance. But whereas >>> previous notifications spoke nicely, any future notifications >>> (presumably from the closed app but I can't be sure) yank focus from >>> wherever it is, throw it in a panel somewhere for a second or so, then >>> return it to the app. I don't know if there is a different >>> notification style for apps without an open window, but the only >>> solution I've found is a reboot. Kind of hard to debug a thing if >>> focus keeps bouncing out of the terminal, browser, etc. you're using >>> for a second or so several times a minute. :) >>> >>> >>> This morning when I discovered the new details I reported on the Riot >>> issue, I closed its desktop app and immediately noticed this behavior. >>> While typing the previous message, I relaunched Orca with debug >>> logging, sat around for a few seconds, and caught a log of this. Maybe >>> nothing can be done about it, but I thought I'd ask. :) >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> https://send.firefox.com/download/1ff29a25e5b127cf/#dzSFAaRwo2Mic464CQ8gQg >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From aarnaud@hypra.fr Fri Nov 15 17:35:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86995760FC for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:35:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qodGgELSGYqu for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0787B760D0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (217.220.12.109.rev.sfr.net [109.12.220.217]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E62F583280 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:35:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1573839344; bh=2vcyikhZJYVDLT/HJijrXBczCuWld7sdwVxIvLwPUkA=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=aDRuKWCuWWycZApgrimLMKJoZHULzlzlK0QQWd4XnBueyuGJgQOmKjXY/zq2ACBoc 62TwCNxC0yg0aHldLoyrm5QfHs+ofYHFzEEy5WyM0Hy8TZLorHBv8UPU28LR0YBURi 8q6rTDv26i6AJTIN7IQ+zdweUoohZBCkOQxbt4m4= To: Orca List References: From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <9d609235-e78d-230b-856a-fafbe17b7c98@hypra.fr> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:35:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9A0A7E43BB4AA303963D4171" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] When checking "only speak displayed text" Orca doesn't announce the new window with alt + tab X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:35:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9A0A7E43BB4AA303963D4171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I confirm that it works, many thanks! Best regards. Le 15/11/2019 à 16:07, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > Should now be fixed. Thanks! > --joanie > > On 11/15/19 5:00 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Environment: >> - Orca 3.32, 3.34 and master >> - Debian 9, 10 and testing >> - Marco and Compiz windows managers >> >> Steps to reproduce: >> 1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences >> 2) Open two windows >> 3) Hold alt and press tab multiple time >> >> Result: >> Orca stays silent. >> >> Expected result: >> Orca should announce the new window when pressing tab to let the user >> choose on what window he wants to focus. >> >> Best regards. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > --------------9A0A7E43BB4AA303963D4171 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I confirm that it works, many thanks!

Best regards.

Le 15/11/2019 à 16:07, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
Should now be fixed. Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/15/19 5:00 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
Hello,

Environment:
- Orca 3.32, 3.34 and master
- Debian 9, 10 and testing
- Marco and Compiz windows managers

Steps to reproduce:
1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences
2) Open two windows
3) Hold alt and press tab multiple time

Result:
Orca stays silent.

Expected result:
Orca should announce the new window when pressing tab to let the user choose on what window he wants to focus.

Best regards.

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html



--------------9A0A7E43BB4AA303963D4171-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Fri Nov 15 18:03:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1D376123 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:03:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MaEfPFJSLJXG for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 923CB760D0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (217.220.12.109.rev.sfr.net [109.12.220.217]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 453D5583280 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:03:13 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1573840993; bh=PgsSUM88d8igtRZ2LRHKsNKbHf5aXZlmFeuS2mpFJQY=; h=From:Subject:To:Date:From; b=e6EcAU3KbF+hO08BnzH/axVXMv7//N4aXH7qkcMJ3RyjkgqYeoEk0z8eQNnPkoel+ hQGSf4bGmqCu7p2Esw3Ai7va1CyEdaEqwLh/Pg3j1o34uEBQXNcz0mqncXn01o8/JS 1J2Dztv4jbfcqRd6K4lJAtBvTTfHgDPCOs45I8YI= From: Alex ARNAUD To: Orca List Message-ID: <53472e8c-656d-a845-8907-83271f2d703d@hypra.fr> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:03:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C1CD1D50A7B61204D23EB38F" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: [orca-list] With Google Chrome, pressing control doesn't stop orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:03:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C1CD1D50A7B61204D23EB38F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Environment: - Orca master - Google Chrome Unstable 80.0.3964.0-1 - Google Chrome launched like this "google-chrome-unstable --force-renderer-accessibility --enable-caret-browsing" Steps to reproduce: 1) Open this page: https://www.nextinpact.com/lebrief/edition-464.htm 2) Go on the first header with 2 and then to the first paragraph with p 3) Launch "say all" 4) Press control Result: Orca repeats the end of the sentence or line. Expected result: Orca should stop speaking as in Firefox. Best regards. --------------C1CD1D50A7B61204D23EB38F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

Environment:
- Orca master
- Google Chrome Unstable 80.0.3964.0-1
- Google Chrome launched like this "google-chrome-unstable --force-renderer-accessibility --enable-caret-browsing"

Steps to reproduce:
1) Open this page: https://www.nextinpact.com/lebrief/edition-464.htm
2) Go on the first header with 2 and then to the first paragraph with p
3) Launch "say all"
4) Press control

Result:
Orca repeats the end of the sentence or line.

Expected result:
Orca should stop speaking as in Firefox.

Best regards.
--------------C1CD1D50A7B61204D23EB38F-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 15 18:24:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20CC76107 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:24:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IKrIptZQ20Zs for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23B27760D0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:24:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=dckJFRFfq4xYSolP/POHi+3pBm6ZQpgIcYVC1sO83cQ=; b=Uayq6hKRzGKzZtV8y/S/5sY6gYdSB/J1UKcYM1IsgD0M5QTLgXErDAZgUzfhCGTEBP3dEtksrT9W8Qi20rrZo/4vILNGIm0FcIPGPYwRCPlfjDr5Qmat6C9eRRhDWdlRAkDTj/VS0yQ5JiKnVVvwUKgn0TiCyW17Nh1NGXMkKw1Pw2sewtKC0sOh7TDVnx7JlUP8KmXysSOlDiqnqNqhagk5lS8SouzFJr+WyUn/HXlBMY57fBPAMVqp+Ymh23MN1UYY1uBwzWurY5Jqv6AkBUGPEYnV1x5O6DwfHpwL3UMmFH6D/5D1f7++Y4Gawk0q9PkhtWWf00uR3Lm8tsYBJw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVgGP-0005De-NU; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:24:09 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <53472e8c-656d-a845-8907-83271f2d703d@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <37ced91a-c7af-91f0-c617-f614e61d2fa5@igalia.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:23:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <53472e8c-656d-a845-8907-83271f2d703d@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] With Google Chrome, pressing control doesn't stop orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:24:05 -0000 I cannot reproduce this. For me, Orca shut up immediately. I'm using 80.0.3968.0. I'm not sure if that's the difference however. If you can reliably reproduce the problem, please send me a full debug.out. Thanks! --joanie On 11/15/19 1:03 PM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Hello, > > Environment: > - Orca master > - Google Chrome Unstable 80.0.3964.0-1 > - Google Chrome launched like this "google-chrome-unstable > --force-renderer-accessibility --enable-caret-browsing" > > Steps to reproduce: > 1) Open this page: https://www.nextinpact.com/lebrief/edition-464.htm > > 2) Go on the first header with 2 and then to the first paragraph with p > 3) Launch "say all" > 4) Press control > > Result: > Orca repeats the end of the sentence or line. > > Expected result: > Orca should stop speaking as in Firefox. > > Best regards. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 15 19:01:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BF6760FC for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:01:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8IUzlEAqwFWE for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45CC9760D0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:01:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject; bh=DANJM6C+thD7d68q332OfZRuDcYC3LN18FSAlUn5BAE=; b=mhTP7khfOI81EXTRKiZ5efWV2y/nz2UFvBpQ/ejJTV9grhuuueabvODmuZrZqYBlYlbr4ELNHQIJaRvUrcoMYGFcIu0vBI23XJTi0NMo7AhuBIT1tJlwPyvcHcPO0CnxXL6t5ue5Z169+HT0/vPx2gE59d34+Oozka+7c2ODzM4poDIjVEKe9uLcq5OlgG/denjvIoyQQEN4e4cS7rF72oHdCM19DSvGokKJ3+P8hcItpo3zOO55hM+0o6ykkTDao3enQHEb54nXe+RWlzXVC02bdEByZTJt4oywZjJj63KeAPmb47inJjV1VHVeJsxsaUSgnAjt+vr9KWWbVPCzGA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVgqw-0008Gh-LW; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 20:01:54 +0100 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <53472e8c-656d-a845-8907-83271f2d703d@hypra.fr> <37ced91a-c7af-91f0-c617-f614e61d2fa5@igalia.com> Message-ID: <4d746ec9-7859-6547-e463-e7e63de4a513@igalia.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:01:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37ced91a-c7af-91f0-c617-f614e61d2fa5@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] With Google Chrome, pressing control doesn't stop orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:01:53 -0000 You know, now that I think about it, bad things were happening in SayAll due to a regression in Chrome/Chromium. My colleague fixed that regression late last week or early this week. That fix got included by revision 3967. (That's why the wiki states that is the minimum version you should be using before reporting bugs.) Therefore, let's wait until you have that version before you and I spend time trying to get to the bottom of something which may already be fixed. Make sense? --joanie On 11/15/19 1:23 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > I cannot reproduce this. For me, Orca shut up immediately. I'm using > 80.0.3968.0. I'm not sure if that's the difference however. > > If you can reliably reproduce the problem, please send me a full > debug.out. Thanks! > > --joanie > > On 11/15/19 1:03 PM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Environment: >> - Orca master >> - Google Chrome Unstable 80.0.3964.0-1 >> - Google Chrome launched like this "google-chrome-unstable >> --force-renderer-accessibility --enable-caret-browsing" >> >> Steps to reproduce: >> 1) Open this page: https://www.nextinpact.com/lebrief/edition-464.htm >> >> 2) Go on the first header with 2 and then to the first paragraph with p >> 3) Launch "say all" >> 4) Press control >> >> Result: >> Orca repeats the end of the sentence or line. >> >> Expected result: >> Orca should stop speaking as in Firefox. >> >> Best regards. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 15 19:07:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EE27610F for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:07:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LoXwbVqQgrA0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5662D760FC for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:07:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=n/KGOzzJCD2uqaC6Hw3i+TQiFyAZhVmYs/DKlHcGibc=; b=QtqGMb+wYpsnU98Wp9G8Qz0BNF0Gal/VeaVZ1+LWzTbicKb0RbOKBCyXIwuacpdIUNxmeqAYbc0Lxyqbw2ppGtTLQ9utT93+jzqv9m+R1EACj+f+6LxCcTSreiBuD1fgX4bvUnDgydPOeFI6/8V6EBQu5OCK7c6/2Rf5l2PFWpZyYiZYRuwGFjr7ihyaQamGx+2B5BDpVWpsbzdSixqrRuBYW9JqRn4Ws7R26qXHienIGBhOT5WHsSaK1fB4afLcbsadlzY6SMytOadLwSy08dRCRD/VzkvAswCzcdMfT9L9L4FoszvyIESP/1MIb5AI5OsuJaz3YaK3F87EtWrFcw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVgwj-0000ab-9O; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 20:07:53 +0100 To: Matt - Envrin Group References: Cc: orca-list From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:07:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Get cursor position in pixels in Firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:07:49 -0000 The exact caret location: No. The object you're currently in (e.g. paragraph, link, button, etc.): Yes. There's an unbound command to report position and size. You can bind it. On 11/14/19 3:06 PM, Matt - Envrin Group via orca-list wrote: > Hi folks, > > Just curious, any way to get the current screen position of the curso > in X,Y pixels when viewing a page in Firefox? > > Thanks, > Matt > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From halim.sahin@t-online.de Sat Nov 16 08:18:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5B17616D for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:18:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 1.499 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.499 tagged_above=-999 required=1 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPOOFED_FREEMAIL=1.999] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vc_dXVzfCw0H for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout01.t-online.de (mailout01.t-online.de [194.25.134.80]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA6FB7610A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de (fwd31.aul.t-online.de [172.20.26.136]) by mailout01.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 114D64242BF3 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:18:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from hp.fritz.box (VmUNsMZTZhTyNJ8mQI40MUUDpu8jGBq95KWOKimlDmzGbvrHUoUIDtvlZkHcOvHZFf@[46.81.100.12]) by fwd31.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1iVtHg-2fIamG0; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:18:20 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:18:18 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191116081818.GA3388@hp.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-ID: VmUNsMZTZhTyNJ8mQI40MUUDpu8jGBq95KWOKimlDmzGbvrHUoUIDtvlZkHcOvHZFf X-TOI-MSGID: f810f156-2b7f-4854-8b04-379cf27d7759 Subject: [orca-list] spotify client and orca masterfrom git X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:18:18 -0000 Hi, Has some one tried spotify with orca? It seems spotify uses chromium engine. spotify --force-renderer-accessibility makes some parts of it accessible but it has some problems. One of the issue is that speech can not be interupted with the ctrl key. I've tested with spotify-client 1:1.1.10.546.ge08ef575-19a. Regards Halim From jpmengual@hypra.fr Sat Nov 16 10:44:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A29A76173 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:44:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KgXmTFV1sp1V for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C9E07610A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.109.223.132] (unknown [37.165.128.52]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61AEE58339A; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:44:47 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1573901098; bh=/u1j+zWrfo67GmkrqvKtXJUlh+j/ESXMpuOACzUE+Aw=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:From; b=bgCjprWw/oE7mjUOewvuwAXZE1DjCKB3D8PRMtchF/2BJEmJnHfrSR3+ShAkhmFkj NOfp7vtIsWKPzD9VHocDc+r6h8f/d8mPOhjahGUdq8kqRLRM56VvsT6PihaBSrUMPo bzUM+RLoxMwIwh6CymYStQDDLUXGe/w2F1ymfQQ8= Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:44:18 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL To: Halim , orca-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: Re: [orca-list] spotify client and orca masterfrom git X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:44:53 -0000 SGkuIAoKdGhlIHNwb3RpZnkgY2xpZW50IGlzIGp1c3QgaW5hY2Nlc3NpYmxlLiBCdXQgdGhlIHdl YiBjbGllbnQgd29ya3MgYW5kIGlzIGdyZWF0LgoKcmVnYXJkcwoKCgoKCkplYW4tUGhpbGlwcGUg TUVNR1VBTExlIDE2IG5vdi4gMjAxOSA5OjE4IEFNLCBIYWxpbSBTYWhpbiA8aGFsaW0uc2FoaW5A dC1vbmxpbmUuZGU+IGEgw6ljcml0IDoKPgo+IEhpLCAKPiBIYXMgc29tZSBvbmUgdHJpZWQgc3Bv dGlmeSB3aXRoIG9yY2E/IAo+Cj4gSXQgc2VlbXMgc3BvdGlmeSB1c2VzIGNocm9taXVtIGVuZ2lu ZS4gCj4KPiBzcG90aWZ5IC0tZm9yY2UtcmVuZGVyZXItYWNjZXNzaWJpbGl0eSBtYWtlcyBzb21l IHBhcnRzIG9mIGl0IGFjY2Vzc2libGUgCj4gYnV0IGl0IGhhcyBzb21lIHByb2JsZW1zLiAKPgo+ IE9uZSBvZiB0aGUgaXNzdWUgaXMgdGhhdCBzcGVlY2ggY2FuIG5vdCBiZSBpbnRlcnVwdGVkIHdp dGggdGhlwqAgY3RybCAKPiBrZXkuIAo+Cj4gSSd2ZSB0ZXN0ZWQgd2l0aCAKPiBzcG90aWZ5LWNs aWVudMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgMToxLjEu MTAuNTQ2LmdlMDhlZjU3NS0xOWEuIAo+Cj4gUmVnYXJkcyAKPiBIYWxpbSAKPgo+IF9fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fIAo+IG9yY2EtbGlzdCBtYWls aW5nIGxpc3QgCj4gb3JjYS1saXN0QGdub21lLm9yZyAKPiBodHRwczovL21haWwuZ25vbWUub3Jn L21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vb3JjYS1saXN0IAo+IE9yY2Egd2lraTogaHR0cHM6Ly93aWtpLmdu b21lLm9yZy9Qcm9qZWN0cy9PcmNhIAo+IE9yY2EgZG9jdW1lbnRhdGlvbjogaHR0cHM6Ly9oZWxw Lmdub21lLm9yZy91c2Vycy9vcmNhL3N0YWJsZS8gCj4gR05PTUUgVW5pdmVyc2FsIEFjY2VzcyBn dWlkZTogaHR0cHM6Ly9oZWxwLmdub21lLm9yZy91c2Vycy9nbm9tZS1oZWxwL3N0YWJsZS9hMTF5 Lmh0bWwgCg== From zywek-mailing@nvps.pl Sat Nov 16 10:54:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2C87610A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:54:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RDNS_DYNAMIC=1.6, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TAqN0GpP5sgd for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nvps.pl (52.ip-145-239-89.eu [145.239.89.52]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AFCA76171 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.31.252.111] (ip-88-220-45-102.kampinostelco.pl [88.220.45.102]) by nvps.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01DD35DEB0 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:54:46 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:54:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL Subject: Re: [orca-list] spotify client and orca masterfrom git X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:54:44 -0000 I'm using spotify client and I'm happy. W dniu 16.11.2019 o 11:44, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL via orca-list pisze: > Hi. > > the spotify client is just inaccessible. But the web client works and is great. > > regards > > > > > > Jean-Philippe MEMGUALLe 16 nov. 2019 9:18 AM, Halim Sahin a écrit : >> Hi, >> Has some one tried spotify with orca? >> >> It seems spotify uses chromium engine. >> >> spotify --force-renderer-accessibility makes some parts of it accessible >> but it has some problems. >> >> One of the issue is that speech can not be interupted with the  ctrl >> key. >> >> I've tested with >> spotify-client                        1:1.1.10.546.ge08ef575-19a. >> >> Regards >> Halim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From zywek-mailing@nvps.pl Sat Nov 16 13:19:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96E27610A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:19:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RDNS_DYNAMIC=1.6, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9uQOaayEmnBd for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nvps.pl (52.ip-145-239-89.eu [145.239.89.52]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E28CA760F1 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (apn-5-60-69-88.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl [5.60.69.88]) by nvps.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D8C05DEB0 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:19:07 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20191116114915.sdh7qxp3v4kc4kr6@raspberrypi> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arkadiusz_Kozio=c5=82?= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:19:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191116114915.sdh7qxp3v4kc4kr6@raspberrypi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL Subject: Re: [orca-list] spotify client and orca masterfrom git X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:19:05 -0000 I mean spotify client. It's not work great, but it's usable. W dniu 16.11.2019 o 12:49, Halim Sahin pisze: > Hi, > You mean spotify client or the web player? > i am talking about the spotify client. > If that works for you great, let us know how do made it work :-). > ! > BR. > > halim > From pvagner@pvagner.tk Sat Nov 16 14:00:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5297276173 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:00:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n0CsfM32M-_U for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vps.pvagner.tk (vps.pvagner.tk [185.8.166.140]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 169947610A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (Haraka outbound); Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:00:40 +0100 Authentication-Results: vps.pvagner.tk; auth=pass (plain) Received: from [192.168.1.27] (static-bband-35.87-197-173.telecom.sk [87.197.173.35]) by vps.pvagner.tk (Haraka/2.8.25) with ESMTPSA id 1613E5B0-085B-4618-8593-8CCA107A9120.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0) (cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256); Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:00:40 +0100 To: Joanmarie Diggs , Nolan Darilek , orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <5ccb8be1-979a-c212-54a6-7bb677e10a84@igalia.com> <05653e5e-6c06-141b-bb8a-4062bd4a5eb8@thewordnerd.info> <2a65c4d6-e896-7062-d5e9-2fa696266558@thewordnerd.info> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <551c01ef-33d4-e420-1a99-f2714511ce82@pvagner.tk> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:00:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: sk DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pvagner.tk; s=default; t=1573912840; h=from:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references; bh=iymEBLGgQ8J1kVwFCkvg0wo9XO6fG0toN+yNPTZobSU=; b=QcF85uzNZLfK/5gzhwdh5iJtxbCCo9slrtNKQywDOKVkAfeQNhna+h+SRxbWLrDLQ/rzCC bsJNbaAvsX+qNa0CZ0yWW5Oe6xKF6h/QUeoVhYuEkerZvhrWVNDCr9Mw6IkMaENlvg2C8Z oscp4RqXCuTbraO8gOVheXy8uwv6QiKE18q/5rWfuWSFrm75CI1TSGDkru6ZRvDdKnYEhm hblQPLxVsEXhfOS+tUyD8KEsSdkzrsTPLygWNWs/NUMNuSjOQiybm8xT+sdZrjM/e34chw T2o/c2NcaO7M5jzXt/JhW63yLtH5RfJp8Nsib/d8a118gKjGNkOKvh9ElndcNQ== X-Rspamd-Bar: / X-Rspamd-Report: MIME_GOOD(-0.1) X-Rspamd-Score: -0.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:00:39 -0000 Hello all, I am testing all this just now after a little delay and I have to say=20 it's impressive. It's really working great over here. Minor anojance I have found and needs more testing is that when using=20 right and left arrow keys to expand / collapse an aria tree view arrow=20 keys are not passed through to the app. I have experienced this with web.skype.com and with riot.im . In Firefox this is working as expected. So in the mean time I'll try to find a generic aria tree example we can=20 use to demonstrate this behaviour and try to find out if this is a=20 chromium issue or how to improve it. Also I have put down a few simple steps on how to get the latest=20 chromium running on Arch linux and other similar distros. https://pvagner.tk/2019/chromium-is-getting-accessibility-support-on-linu= x Greetings Peter D=C5=88a 14. 11. 2019 o 16:01 Joanmarie Diggs nap=C3=ADsal(a): > See also: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1544973 > > On 11/14/19 9:57 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> No worries, as a former screen reader developer, I was curious about=20 >> how it worked under the hood. I don't recall explicitly toggling=20 >> caret navigation with Firefox, so wasn't sure if it defaulted to on=20 >> when a need for accessibility was detected, or if AT-SPI handled text = >> selection at a lower level. Figured the former was more likely. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On 11/14/19 8:50 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> Note that Orca also relies upon native caret navigation in Firefox=20 >>> for text selection. The difference is that in Firefox if you set the = >>> caret position (e.g. with the mouse, or via accessibility support),=20 >>> you can then hold down shift and use Firefox's native caret=20 >>> navigation even if there is not a visible caret showing. >>> >>> So perhaps one day we'll be able to modify Chromium's text selection = >>> support to do something similar. But you still would be using the=20 >>> browser's native caret -- and not Orca -- to select text. >>> >>> A fully Orca-driven text selection would require new API added to=20 >>> ATK and AT-SPI2 and then implemented in Firefox and Chromium and=20 >>> Orca. That seems like a lot of work. It will also be less performant = >>> than using the native text selection functionality already in the=20 >>> browser. >>> >>> So if we're being realistic, my statement in the wiki stands. For=20 >>> the foreseeable future, I believe that text selection will require=20 >>> native caret navigation to be enabled. But if it's a preference that = >>> remains set (which is the case in Firefox), I personally don't see=20 >>> this as a problem. >>> >>> Having said that, I need to focus on Chrome/Chromium bugs (in the=20 >>> browser and in Orca). That's my number one goal. >>> >>> On 11/14/19 9:02 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>>> I wonder if what was intended by this question was: will it=20 >>>> eventually be possible to select text without the extra caret=20 >>>> command line option? >>>> >>>> >>>> Curious about this as well. Can the existing accessibility support=20 >>>> be fleshed out to support text selection sans native caret mode?=20 >>>> Or, like with the accessibility renderer, will caret support=20 >>>> eventually be automatically toggled on when it is needed? >>>> >>>> >>>> No hurries, just curious. My experience under 77 is already pretty=20 >>>> nice, except for a few dialogs which the wiki points out aren't=20 >>>> expected to work in earlier versions anyway. Still though, I've=20 >>>> waited years to use some of the many highly-maligned Electron apps=20 >>>> being published, so I can be patient. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/14/19 7:29 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>>> No. Please see item 5 on the wiki page I cited in my message. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/14/19 8:20 AM, Arkadiusz Kozio=C5=82 wrote: >>>>>> Will be possible to select the text without chromium native caret?= >>>>>> >>>>>> W dniu 14.11.2019 o=C2=A003:07, Joanmarie Diggs pisze: >>>>>>> Hey all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in = >>>>>>> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about=20 >>>>>>> testing, so I wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to=20 >>>>>>> test even though I keep saying we're not quite ready. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master=20 >>>>>>> and a super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some=20 >>>>>>> command line switches too. I've also summarized some key known=20 >>>>>>> issues at the bottom of that page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly*=20 >>>>>>> encouraged to double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you=20 >>>>>>> are about to report to me is not an issue in Firefox. If it's an = >>>>>>> issue in both, I should address it, but we want to get=20 >>>>>>> Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca users to try, and that means=20 >>>>>>> focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> --joanie >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 >>>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 >>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Sat Nov 16 14:34:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CB57610A for ; 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Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iVz9K-00020s-VX; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:34:07 +0100 To: Halim Sahin , orca-list@gnome.org References: <20191116081818.GA3388@hp.fritz.box> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <0051d6c5-cbb3-497c-8d8d-c3365b9ef6a0@igalia.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:33:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191116081818.GA3388@hp.fritz.box> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] spotify client and orca masterfrom git X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:34:06 -0000 My guess, based on what you said about ctrl not interrupting speech, is that your client is based on a much older version of chromium than you need. Sorry about that! With time I think those issues should go away. On 11/16/19 3:18 AM, Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi, > Has some one tried spotify with orca? > > It seems spotify uses chromium engine. > > spotify --force-renderer-accessibility makes some parts of it accessible > but it has some problems. > > One of the issue is that speech can not be interupted with the ctrl > key. > > I've tested with > spotify-client 1:1.1.10.546.ge08ef575-19a. > > Regards > Halim > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From envrin.group@gmail.com Sat Nov 16 14:48:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0C97610A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:48:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.899 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SORBS_SPAM_NEW=2.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g7UlFy_FQ9Pt for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr1-f48.google.com (mail-wr1-f48.google.com [209.85.221.48]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AA5D760F1 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-f48.google.com with SMTP id e6so14118517wrw.1 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:49:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qx57Rz2bnR/j3/uPe1tSTAYh63Ts0nMJkk2QC84iBbo=; b=FnfZEQM8ttOjavVtg0evvb/Hoi8a8ujhDF4AFuUN/HievxitmTJxWm+kJCnuPW8gnA r//a+DYTcDF49HpB0IJs1bvA7FvFd4e9Lv6+ucSA303eAGwZBbvDTw1JLtDs+euunfu9 R5+1E8IbR+6Tu3zIEY1WhJGGCcxUYNrIFN0R1iTHZZEOVB05vOEvs8cV2w7SQapOm2SO xGCfkk4i6qF/9V4imgC6jr5feNaYntXF4sNX+vEGc/McwNNITp0Xk0GWeDLFspahv3yp gtYZB9RNCykcYe3tuCunswe5brhFdYIZUNBwNhz/Y/CqZXmNMI2D9KOxP+s4/mlAOIVP GHgw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qx57Rz2bnR/j3/uPe1tSTAYh63Ts0nMJkk2QC84iBbo=; b=JZYIs0Y6HC+UIbF66mRysppCFOptW85fCH4y+YWhan3yWwzULFVGLW+H+PVmPCyY/J gIyEnNJUBbvMYC/xSiZkLvKCVLAzwQs7D+wwvW0ztEjR2bTmrTeLMfktObZw9ETHlJgX 4e0vKwxcxx6bLjHwZm1tfxuSCBKHffrDeERp6c2OQ1xuhKzjFbYiGax9O1YFN/V7ULJ3 RJA/GUCWGgycDyzhKUzjRrlzrtogJFTao1OmnlNvLlt6xPlW7gCCY+VNtp1obOCBpYwp TiZQX7Hbn01mth2IAsDIYdG1GqPgpCIwvvgbZ17Q/CP2QdWHmCOv4LIfT+rmEn09dh9g r9aw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVrpdDH5MkazjmSDGDs8sv2xMVO43Vf2E2TF+MzSnUp+iExQV/c zOZmUjsNlr5OA2u6a/FfM6MbnZ5CUPZp8aW1RbEAjg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx3asuC2aJsJSA0Ggba+PHUjhMX3eJpJ3O/+nWEc//zL3vmshobiKrOcKGIIrcK5rIXqsRZ5TFC524YPCJ4cq8= X-Received: by 2002:adf:fe8d:: with SMTP id l13mr12240929wrr.287.1573915743304; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:49:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a1c:9e0a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:49:02 -0800 (PST) From: Matt - Envrin Group Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:49:02 -0800 Message-ID: To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: [orca-list] Slack clinet with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:48:59 -0000 Hi folks, Has anyone here had any success in running the Slack desktop client with Orca? I'm running Linux Mint / Ubunut, and it installs fine, but when I open it screen reader doesn't pick up anything. It's the same as trying Skype -- open the client, and screen reader goes silent. Is there anything I can do to get the Slack client working? I really need to start getting out there, and networking with others. Matt From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Nov 17 17:06:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DB1760EF for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:06:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VzBVASzhaMfS for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 110BC760EE for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jpw.jasonjgw.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c380:11f6::5fd]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13506322F7 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:06:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1574010417; bh=MfGOMQVHcshxfDqX3VP7RfvDKjyjQTm686zfSr21W3M=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=UOsYgLijH5q15fs4ZNjGDaVgpWvJnxJY7OR9SODkNyTdvrR3fFJ6rIydQ1nfI80jN KxQkQ39U3u/uPKYCa5/tXO6x+Nus+VN5BKyc32qdr5dK2BXAfST367L6yTFKNAL90u mUEqCa/1URSeIUsMQlkH1avEoM+b8sh4MTMWqskaIxMf0ok6dosHBf5lgFIXlYoc5v 48YNbQA37MhpxUPhe6E9BuBcPnAx+qGMnVOnmYVFK9ZNOWhzgchJboBc1ZWtiXSfZ6 gH8LK2Py5FFWtccBQ1ZludYc8GwsLxPcVX3pVzTn1+BSiC5XDN26yXUrgXM++5aaCk cI5PoPq69cLwA== Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 12:06:56 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191117170656.jxkhpsnjl4aytj2f@jpw.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Authentication-Results: svr.jasonjgw.net; auth=pass smtp.auth=jason smtp.mailfrom=jason@jasonjgw.net Subject: Re: [orca-list] Slack clinet with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:06:52 -0000 Matt - Envrin Group via orca-list wrote: > Has anyone here had any success in running the Slack desktop client > with Orca? I'm running Linux Mint / Ubunut, and it installs fine, but > when I open it screen reader doesn't pick up anything. It's the same > as trying Skype -- open the client, and screen reader goes silent. I suspect they're both Electron applications, based on Chromium. Once Chromium accessibility is working with Orca and the applications are updated, you may have more success. From aarnaud@hypra.fr Mon Nov 18 13:03:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87159760FA for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:03:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z1SqDh31IQnv for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8336F760EF for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AFB1583280 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:03:09 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574082189; bh=BIs+4mg2s+og5gvRwXsbQlbLOXHlcK97gOpB7vOcoSI=; h=From:Subject:To:Date:From; b=P0z0F57CXXpfJ4QXv42dGQfIZDZXG1WJnLx/x+Gy9o0cw1Nhcylme5bsI9SC2J9Bm GxJPah4ZXQzCrXy7X4Na72V4RNxfoO/il6djLcDB5Sc269bZJd3YV2nBZm7V1CyteD ygGsECTyO/TYSvLgM/5BQvA/rb47exkHBT4RocCo= From: Alex ARNAUD To: Orca List Message-ID: <6ff53be3-b3db-2c7d-654e-a3a68d78ef1a@hypra.fr> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:03:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] When checking "only speak displayed text" Orca speaks element context like "heading" and "link" on Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:03:04 -0000 Hello, Environment: - Orca 3.34 and master - Debian 9 and 10 Steps to reproduce: 1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences 2) Open Firefox and make a search on Firefox 3) Go over headings and links with the keyboard Result: Orca announces "X heading" or "X link". Expected result: I assume Orca shouldn't announce "heading" and "link" with "only speak displayed text" is selected. Best regards, Alex. From jdiggs@igalia.com Mon Nov 18 14:07:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE89C760FA for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:07:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JmUQFKBnh8Bh for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E641760EF for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:07:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=kyyWkHa+HzEk2FX1PCedSRRukr7EPFMVfQW9s+v/gC0=; b=LyJwZfTmAMmMRqsmgIkONVnBssEyUXFteeJAqhcLWt0yk3nVkjxfco/L+7Dc5Ba5CMfDQG9rfBQOQdQEATsL8clIRpPhB+0G0N2ZJall5F7o1V1r4BEgqHTsor/EI114aRjDP+cXaZ/Z6PtdJ2DY3wNrc5AK4Zg0HOcf4TEtSnMNROSSQhUtT1LVBIhW9ZN0z0yVkn4586pI1IenIYOdBAk51uJn1YaKRikOakUNFZ824MrfRd/4861y1ugG6JUYhSd4+gOKuA7G1DOzC2xs9XHu81O1tbEJoWpUeAwEf8JiLJ+kxSVNRLmsWc+sYp7PKW8cwAr7ENTe0t8aCdizdQ==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iWhgp-0006Pb-Hr; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:07:39 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <6ff53be3-b3db-2c7d-654e-a3a68d78ef1a@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:07:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6ff53be3-b3db-2c7d-654e-a3a68d78ef1a@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] When checking "only speak displayed text" Orca speaks element context like "heading" and "link" on Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:07:36 -0000 Agreed will fix it later today. Thanks! --joanie On 11/18/19 8:03 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Hello, > > Environment: > - Orca 3.34 and master > - Debian 9 and 10 > > Steps to reproduce: > 1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences > 2) Open Firefox and make a search on Firefox > 3) Go over headings and links with the keyboard > > Result: > Orca announces "X heading" or "X link". > > Expected result: > I assume Orca shouldn't announce "heading" and "link" with "only speak > displayed text" is selected. > > Best regards, > Alex. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Mon Nov 18 15:02:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:02:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --E2E5PZzdAYFmRFO2nVmCWp8Rh6hTeRwA8 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="zi6qOX1z7zBG15l1n3z4sIvaZxHuoGZ2G" --zi6qOX1z7zBG15l1n3z4sIvaZxHuoGZ2G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I believe vscode now allows --force-renderer-accessibility. Anyone knows how to install with electron that does support this? Or maybe you cannot?= Tried building vscode but force-renderer-accessibility didn't seem to wor= k. --zi6qOX1z7zBG15l1n3z4sIvaZxHuoGZ2G-- --E2E5PZzdAYFmRFO2nVmCWp8Rh6hTeRwA8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAl3Sso4ACgkQmRxoPZnI FPmR6Af/S60FzSB6TB3sW5XCRbU5VS5YPsgXytsa5aPcmBtKRfEW063KlxhX6J3H hioyaLJn7Bgla0GzvWidrKKZoG1EKEiGZVFcymMzQ2F6qmuMhoPKZfi83i7MSwGF vNIgsX5jRH7DM3Fd9qXAjlSLsKCzDa+IMUYlMIh8J2zCXWbD7ulzjLA/DJqb9xIs PrGLjBxtgMsgKboiOs4pZ8xC2CG7q0TRqL/O94RPX8Q20zFM0Xl8rcqHKHQ3oLUe aHPquWH96SZ1e63fUwfMJ2RHfA1muYDpiQ9TbNQA2OfpxqYyeEDC3RquNJKIDVu8 LK2+HIGjWXL43cu/1ft7j42qIjmOUQ== =N3un -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E2E5PZzdAYFmRFO2nVmCWp8Rh6hTeRwA8-- From nolan@thewordnerd.info Mon Nov 18 15:13:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409937610F for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:13:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4_5beGLrulhp for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A3F476107 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6CF223D0 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:13:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=wn3bgj UXx81f+loW/MgyP6W8BrYBFUyF/KKJ9DANo/k=; b=RGDcffQ4sVbsXhP6tIgwev 9hzrhnXNQ2ISrQGAQjRXSu0Kb2SOehx5E5pwUukCdjpuFseU8Aw3VRSa2F6asyfr SvSu1Q6WB0ap0u8vzOligK6uQF5wW4mjZqMDSxmbYmDdTXLrb0ZCiZdkeNc/K0Rm wzwoWqWY9eoQ71LwjCfg12PZpK3g0X13QoZ20d4PUtlZVrS9OXmjjZNZrSvh3ps4 5px3yUDkIx0GDpkbFRXcHbOjouCikwQ/WAGBV/TW46TcMoL0e/ZkMpOzNsH3zPL9 qPpif4EMMLKQJab8aDRTBjV3ieUOQVH7PO+bx3gE8AWwasKJQ0vr/Z4o68r+BsXg == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudegiedgheduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgesrgdtre ertdefjeenucfhrhhomheppfholhgrnhcuffgrrhhilhgvkhcuoehnohhlrghnsehthhgv fihorhgunhgvrhgurdhinhhfoheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhomhgvrdhorhhgnecukf hppeejtddrudduhedrudehfedrudekvdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepnhho lhgrnhesthhhvgifohhrughnvghrugdrihhnfhhonecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.0.167] (cpe-70-115-153-182.austin.res.rr.com [70.115.153.182]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0BB86306005C for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:13:10 -0500 (EST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <0a30e9e2-0000-1dad-e7d0-88ea2d45e164@poczta.onet.pl> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:13:09 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0a30e9e2-0000-1dad-e7d0-88ea2d45e164@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------532CF6D3EB1C0D0B160EF8F3" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] vscode and electron X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:13:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------532CF6D3EB1C0D0B160EF8F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Building from source is the only way I'm aware of for now. You may also have to bump the Electron version to 7. I ran into that with Patchwork (SSB client) where Electron 6.1 didn't work. I haven't tried that because in the end what you're left with is a clunky version of VSCode that can't install addons, and I've waited years for Chromium accessibility, so a few more months or so for a binary I can run with `code --force-renderer-accessibility` is fine by me. :) On 11/18/19 9:02 AM, Michał Zegan wrote: > Hello, > I believe vscode now allows --force-renderer-accessibility. Anyone knows > how to install with electron that does support this? Or maybe you cannot? > Tried building vscode but force-renderer-accessibility didn't seem to work. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------532CF6D3EB1C0D0B160EF8F3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Building from source is the only way I'm aware of for now. You may also have to bump the Electron version to 7. I ran into that with Patchwork (SSB client) where Electron 6.1 didn't work. I haven't tried that because in the end what you're left with is a clunky version of VSCode that can't install addons, and I've waited years for Chromium accessibility, so a few more months or so for a binary I can run with `code --force-renderer-accessibility` is fine by me. :)


On 11/18/19 9:02 AM, Michał Zegan wrote:
Hello,
I believe vscode now allows --force-renderer-accessibility. Anyone knows
how to install with electron that does support this? Or maybe you cannot?
Tried building vscode but force-renderer-accessibility didn't seem to work.



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--------------532CF6D3EB1C0D0B160EF8F3-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Mon Nov 18 15:15:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A6876107 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:15:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UpLOyMc_h7k8 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD083760EF for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:15:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject; bh=oJAZ4B/h/VFkIx4qnJwd5G+FRolbbiOdxC5ZjCpOFhw=; b=Pm2ENGmU9xg//2h2okiaM7DOY8veGKHT3rzDga5wkCDQ7XmDmAEqPBVI17mpCDpii1bYAyYRMUWsVEXCTY8iXbbcIpWooNAmJO8SNXH/LEJUmPajQYsk4kd6mNpO+h3sSKlL9/zlYFILxe1gTRUmwV0FZFTF+IxtrSLoXydeg2o2zL0v/Npy793VrpgMiSIQnHdnlvww0BYGTXrQ0wogm8lS8EEpRY1Qt9TL1myNdlbvByNDUUQwWB9yGr/KpBLcWGJ/unAkTabzyUtGBl1Xh0NrKUTp1EmtQlsmSifcXkkCeBWL6VCdxQwt6LABsXN4pPYiQo6R2O1B0SD8RM56xg==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iWikF-0003Uf-QG; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:15:15 +0100 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <6ff53be3-b3db-2c7d-654e-a3a68d78ef1a@hypra.fr> Message-ID: <442047d5-cac1-e47c-b72e-5f3cedf169c6@igalia.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:15:04 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] When checking "only speak displayed text" Orca speaks element context like "heading" and "link" on Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:15:13 -0000 Ok, I hopefully fixed that along with other instances of Orca speaking stuff it shouldn't when "only speak displayed text" is enabled. I just did this in Orca master for now so as not to accidentally break anything in stable. Note that at the present time, Orca does not do work to determine if the onscreen text and the accessible name are different. And in some cases Orca won't be able to make that distinction even if you wanted it to. Similarly, Orca might not be able to identify reliably if the name is truly displayed in text versus shown as an image or icon. And even if it could, it's not trying to do so. With these issues in mind, I hope that always speaking the accessible label/name is ok. --joanie On 11/18/19 9:07 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Agreed will fix it later today. Thanks! > --joanie > > On 11/18/19 8:03 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Environment: >> - Orca 3.34 and master >> - Debian 9 and 10 >> >> Steps to reproduce: >> 1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences >> 2) Open Firefox and make a search on Firefox >> 3) Go over headings and links with the keyboard >> >> Result: >> Orca announces "X heading" or "X link". >> >> Expected result: >> I assume Orca shouldn't announce "heading" and "link" with "only speak >> displayed text" is selected. >> >> Best regards, >> Alex. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > 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Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VhakH6ieLF3MeLpuD5qBNOX1x0FtWBYDv" X-ONET_PL-MDA-SEGREGATION: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] vscode and electron X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:16:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --VhakH6ieLF3MeLpuD5qBNOX1x0FtWBYDv Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="I1SfXVzNRyjIu8nMF1M0C84GgfCuuywRA" --I1SfXVzNRyjIu8nMF1M0C84GgfCuuywRA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you sure you cannot install addons? W dniu 18.11.2019 o=C2=A016:13, Nolan Darilek pisze: > Building from source is the only way I'm aware of for now. You may also= > have to bump the Electron version to 7. I ran into that with Patchwork > (SSB client) where Electron 6.1 didn't work. I haven't tried that > because in the end what you're left with is a clunky version of VSCode > that can't install addons, and I've waited years for Chromium > accessibility, so a few more months or so for a binary I can run with > `code --force-renderer-accessibility` is fine by me. :) >=20 >=20 > On 11/18/19 9:02 AM, Micha=C5=82 Zegan wrote: >> Hello, >> I believe vscode now allows --force-renderer-accessibility. Anyone kno= ws >> how to install with electron that does support this? 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Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:56:19 -0500 (EST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: <0a30e9e2-0000-1dad-e7d0-88ea2d45e164@poczta.onet.pl> <359c6d1d-f289-e025-2062-802b7c0db5ba@poczta.onet.pl> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <313ddbdf-4ca2-7b10-0506-987d859b97fd@thewordnerd.info> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:56:19 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <359c6d1d-f289-e025-2062-802b7c0db5ba@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] vscode and electron X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:56:15 -0000 No, but I thought I'd read that open source builds can't access the addon store by default. Feel free to try on your own and report back if I'm wrong. At the end of the day, though, I need to get work done, so I'll just wait for a mostly or fully accessible VSCode before really diving in. You can probably install addons if you guild each from source, but again, gotta do my job and not spend too much time setting up my environment. :) On 11/18/19 9:16 AM, Michał Zegan wrote: > Are you sure you cannot install addons? > > W dniu 18.11.2019 o 16:13, Nolan Darilek pisze: >> Building from source is the only way I'm aware of for now. You may also >> have to bump the Electron version to 7. I ran into that with Patchwork >> (SSB client) where Electron 6.1 didn't work. I haven't tried that >> because in the end what you're left with is a clunky version of VSCode >> that can't install addons, and I've waited years for Chromium >> accessibility, so a few more months or so for a binary I can run with >> `code --force-renderer-accessibility` is fine by me. :) >> >> >> On 11/18/19 9:02 AM, Michał Zegan wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I believe vscode now allows --force-renderer-accessibility. Anyone knows >>> how to install with electron that does support this? Or maybe you cannot? >>> Tried building vscode but force-renderer-accessibility didn't seem to work. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Mon Nov 18 16:15:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost 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orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:15:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --sLKxU9rvUNIk9jgpTvQa5o4bcy9kbkQHS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="mRnDD3fD0Ff1o6E3CFdHv2H9XagcjuKYk" --mRnDD3fD0Ff1o6E3CFdHv2H9XagcjuKYk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I would like to do it because I have no ide for c#, and no editor for c#, so better to have something than nothing in my case. Just not quite sure how to do build. W dniu 18.11.2019 o=C2=A016:56, Nolan Darilek pisze: > No, but I thought I'd read that open source builds can't access the > addon store by default. Feel free to try on your own and report back if= > I'm wrong. At the end of the day, though, I need to get work done, so > I'll just wait for a mostly or fully accessible VSCode before really > diving in. You can probably install addons if you guild each from > source, but again, gotta do my job and not spend too much time setting > up my environment. :) >=20 >=20 > On 11/18/19 9:16 AM, Micha=C5=82 Zegan wrote: >> Are you sure you cannot install addons? >> >> W dniu 18.11.2019 o=C2=A016:13, Nolan Darilek pisze: >>> Building from source is the only way I'm aware of for now. You may al= so >>> have to bump the Electron version to 7. I ran into that with Patchwor= k >>> (SSB client) where Electron 6.1 didn't work. I haven't tried that >>> because in the end what you're left with is a clunky version of VSCod= e >>> that can't install addons, and I've waited years for Chromium >>> accessibility, so a few more months or so for a binary I can run with= >>> `code --force-renderer-accessibility` is fine by me. :) >>> >>> >>> On 11/18/19 9:02 AM, Micha=C5=82 Zegan wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I believe vscode now allows --force-renderer-accessibility. Anyone >>>> knows >>>> how to install with electron that does support this? Or maybe you >>>> cannot? >>>> Tried building vscode but force-renderer-accessibility didn't seem >>>> to work. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> --mRnDD3fD0Ff1o6E3CFdHv2H9XagcjuKYk-- --sLKxU9rvUNIk9jgpTvQa5o4bcy9kbkQHS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAl3Sw5IACgkQmRxoPZnI FPkzEQgAkJ2uQvxJ3i5QsWCYbHfSf0tWpXZkMTu7mbrw4hLHnPZyphbUY4zUtDGi drmeM4EF8TBbh/yUuEW9DR3W6UH8X66IdoC8VhLE+69KypJcAXG4KURGigyMLMIL zYDt79bqYFsragh2HWZIJV4YSsdiobHWqqo+mviiwpBVL2TVN9zb1Vprb16q5Ydg KJy4orTvUHLgSJQ8ybgijrjZyMBnvlBYVkMKKQ2jlhWpzrfihtE7JgxtiBM0ZPvv B92IGh9+xAHVnK4TOU4QZQLA1uSS1oOJYj7ZyW34gMRtRR5euyki0M7N7q6Plhes F2GiFVk31u/1ZvqUgCVpnIx3wgYH9w== =gyEh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sLKxU9rvUNIk9jgpTvQa5o4bcy9kbkQHS-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Mon Nov 18 16:18:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DD37610F for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:18:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nL4Qgw9GSF5J for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5662B76107 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5D77583280 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:18:14 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574093894; bh=p16IdaWuhvvE5kjN7h59VDIsWd1Bpklk3CxgXoZsUMQ=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=N7LXoWd3YPEOWp8hHowPj/4vqiHV6HwCLmaYtw+ASnPMo2ewn4oeUKkdpGPgNUJV2 SD4AJHc3CNZ/22vQbn6tbX+LKV3yT2o0+7Taj6pxdi78Zs8xx4WfFjXmkI0CwZOeCb hLWuc5ZanSMdMb3JkKrtLE8yxnbq+hcgaXQYNb9w= To: Orca List References: <6ff53be3-b3db-2c7d-654e-a3a68d78ef1a@hypra.fr> <442047d5-cac1-e47c-b72e-5f3cedf169c6@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:18:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <442047d5-cac1-e47c-b72e-5f3cedf169c6@igalia.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EFA09B4C8BC1DF8996ED40FB" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] When checking "only speak displayed text" Orca speaks element context like "heading" and "link" on Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:18:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EFA09B4C8BC1DF8996ED40FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I confirm that it works. Thanks a lot Joanie. Le 18/11/2019 à 16:15, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > Ok, I hopefully fixed that along with other instances of Orca speaking > stuff it shouldn't when "only speak displayed text" is enabled. I just > did this in Orca master for now so as not to accidentally break > anything in stable. > > Note that at the present time, Orca does not do work to determine if > the onscreen text and the accessible name are different. And in some > cases Orca won't be able to make that distinction even if you wanted > it to. Similarly, Orca might not be able to identify reliably if the > name is truly displayed in text versus shown as an image or icon. And > even if it could, it's not trying to do so. With these issues in mind, > I hope that always speaking the accessible label/name is ok. > > --joanie > > On 11/18/19 9:07 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Agreed will fix it later today. Thanks! >> --joanie >> >> On 11/18/19 8:03 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Environment: >>> - Orca 3.34 and master >>> - Debian 9 and 10 >>> >>> Steps to reproduce: >>> 1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences >>> 2) Open Firefox and make a search on Firefox >>> 3) Go over headings and links with the keyboard >>> >>> Result: >>> Orca announces "X heading" or "X link". >>> >>> Expected result: >>> I assume Orca shouldn't announce "heading" and "link" with "only >>> speak displayed text" is selected. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Alex. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > --------------EFA09B4C8BC1DF8996ED40FB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I confirm that it works. Thanks a lot Joanie.

Le 18/11/2019 à 16:15, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
Ok, I hopefully fixed that along with other instances of Orca speaking stuff it shouldn't when "only speak displayed text" is enabled. I just did this in Orca master for now so as not to accidentally break anything in stable.

Note that at the present time, Orca does not do work to determine if the onscreen text and the accessible name are different. And in some cases Orca won't be able to make that distinction even if you wanted it to. Similarly, Orca might not be able to identify reliably if the name is truly displayed in text versus shown as an image or icon. And even if it could, it's not trying to do so. With these issues in mind, I hope that always speaking the accessible label/name is ok.

--joanie

On 11/18/19 9:07 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
Agreed will fix it later today. Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/18/19 8:03 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
Hello,

Environment:
- Orca 3.34 and master
- Debian 9 and 10

Steps to reproduce:
1) Check "only speak displayed text" in Orca preferences
2) Open Firefox and make a search on Firefox
3) Go over headings and links with the keyboard

Result:
Orca announces "X heading" or "X link".

Expected result:
I assume Orca shouldn't announce "heading" and "link" with "only speak displayed text" is selected.

Best regards,
Alex.
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--------------EFA09B4C8BC1DF8996ED40FB-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 19 16:11:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A389760DB for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:11:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3T4TrcPa6dr3 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 081F876103 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8393B5833AC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:11:51 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574179911; bh=8YGl2rDExVNBkjzGJVy7BlCcXO6c9p59Ut1hHdGa1P0=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=SBIsHkZFHViQChBD2Jc/1iLNeeHtoxgR3F64reXgZjtb/Knvh9XEeccsLi9Wv4MBB SWlpwADnSLbdd6WmKugzB8E+/OZ51RGMM6M1dR8upRoyxBPHnWcdh7ULDFtUq2aU3p ly7w8XJEqR7Si3LYz8HV8/t+BINCiyxP2slSJqcI= To: Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:11:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C3BE84F9F84AD2B58F4D3847" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:11:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C3BE84F9F84AD2B58F4D3847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It seems it still remain a corner case of this one: 1) Launch Caja 2) Typing the first letter of a folder and press return without waiting Result: Orca says "list view tree table" Expected result: I assume Orca should say the same as without doing search or at least announce the folder we're into. Best regards. Le 28/10/2019 à 11:28, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list a écrit : > Le 25/10/2019 à 17:50, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >> Ok, I have hopefully fixed this, but I'm only doing the change in >> master until we have much more testing. The reason why is one change >> was to remove an old hack we had in place to eliminate some >> chattiness. Hopefully it doesn't make things way too chatty now. The >> other change was to stop presenting the "frame" role when the active >> frame hasn't changed. I don't know if that will have any side effects >> we don't want. > Thank you very much Joanie. It works great. At this time I don't see > regressions with this. > > Best regards, > Alex. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------C3BE84F9F84AD2B58F4D3847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It seems it still remain a corner case of this one:
1) Launch Caja
2) Typing the first letter of a folder and press return without waiting

Result:
Orca says "list view tree table"

Expected result:
I assume Orca should say the same as without doing search or at least announce the folder we're into.

Best regards.


Le 28/10/2019 à 11:28, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list a écrit :
Le 25/10/2019 à 17:50, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
Ok, I have hopefully fixed this, but I'm only doing the change in master until we have much more testing. The reason why is one change was to remove an old hack we had in place to eliminate some chattiness. Hopefully it doesn't make things way too chatty now. The other change was to stop presenting the "frame" role when the active frame hasn't changed. I don't know if that will have any side effects we don't want.
Thank you very much Joanie. It works great. At this time I don't see regressions with this.

Best regards,
Alex.

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--------------C3BE84F9F84AD2B58F4D3847-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 19 16:30:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F7A76103 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:30:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kWCCg6OPuchp for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75BEF760DB for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:30:24 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=0YAhbSe4lr3jaUidaIicsczb228NIW0zs2Ig9H+NIZ8=; b=Ri/YczmxdYd+XZLfAOzXqA4AFSUtzc39fIBe2Hh8aMI1Ra9OrwulODSQ4PHCWSr8ztP2SqqGsCI4BFNnzWISR5BObVZfkn3kvNY39lta9hdW6fY0T4sPclYQknlO1hBG0Jif4my8qGcR13T9KaPiEXhCuNhMdUKDW6SUfdoVgZ+EYJGZK3iGJpVZbg+0ARRpLOPH8L8v/6l3C/KH+2PSJOC+wthiIjxd00oLwqHa5PbXqLD+eDxA6BQZb1lMdvSBuoFAXa9TyDPB43Sxo6BCu3n/SznB86PXjq1G0GGlcikg0M56ykItl2bSqXU/M03sx1sziasxEhz2ONWWnsIDNA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iX6Ob-0007Af-Nx; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:30:29 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:30:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:30:28 -0000 For me, when I enable only speak displayed text, Orca says "List View" not "List View tree table". This is with Orca master. The reason Orca still says "List View" is because "List view" is the name of the object which claims focus. When something claims focus, I assume Orca should announce the new location so you know where you are, right? In addition, as I mentioned earlier, Orca cannot know for certain if the accessible name is actually displayed somewhere as visible text or not. Thus as long as Caja keeps "List View" as the name of that tree table, I'm afraid Orca is going to speak it. If the Caja developers were to be convinced that things like roles shouldn't be used as accessible names in the first place, that might help.... Sorry! --joanie On 11/19/19 11:11 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > It seems it still remain a corner case of this one: > 1) Launch Caja > 2) Typing the first letter of a folder and press return without waiting > > Result: > Orca says "list view tree table" > > Expected result: > I assume Orca should say the same as without doing search or at least > announce the folder we're into. > > Best regards. > > > Le 28/10/2019 à 11:28, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list a écrit : >> Le 25/10/2019 à 17:50, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >>> Ok, I have hopefully fixed this, but I'm only doing the change in >>> master until we have much more testing. The reason why is one change >>> was to remove an old hack we had in place to eliminate some >>> chattiness. Hopefully it doesn't make things way too chatty now. The >>> other change was to stop presenting the "frame" role when the active >>> frame hasn't changed. I don't know if that will have any side effects >>> we don't want. >> Thank you very much Joanie. It works great. At this time I don't see >> regressions with this. >> >> Best regards, >> Alex. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From aarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 19 16:36:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFE9760FC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:36:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id szPjK86X9Lmq for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19721760DB for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 675D55833AC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:36:53 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574181413; bh=k958bVPAEXMyIidjdxF7+csVopE78on/p1jl0sO9ByU=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=MGYIlY2xCEtTDi3/j+/1yicrU4HPCgXIZrD2r23TvRJcDGO5GvPClEoXo3fiNbt0U KgYL6daEwkucpyxTnwcVPdEAyAcxacpuf/pSxbpf/r/JPxaDlLDrAouxOumcYKUVfR GiuXww3Xh/pZ9wQqXQNLhypNqDVD1IlcLFOvo3Mw= To: Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:36:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1136C555068DAE223C867343" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:36:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1136C555068DAE223C867343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 19/11/2019 à 17:30, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >  For me, when I enable only speak displayed text, Orca says "List > View" not "List View tree table". This is with Orca master. But does Orca speak the folder we're going on? (I was probably not clear but it's the main issue here) Best regards. --------------1136C555068DAE223C867343 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 19/11/2019 à 17:30, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
 For me, when I enable only speak displayed text, Orca says "List View" not "List View tree table". This is with Orca master.
But does Orca speak the folder we're going on?
(I was probably not clear but it's the main issue here)

Best regards.
--------------1136C555068DAE223C867343-- From vsmiro@seznam.cz Tue Nov 19 16:38:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2501B760FC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:38:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bfrBzuVxbeMO for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxa2.seznam.cz (mxa2.seznam.cz [77.75.76.90]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44C8B760DB for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc7a.ng.seznam.cz (email-smtpc7a.ng.seznam.cz [10.23.10.195]) id 339a6be4260238be32709af8; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:38:57 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1574181537; bh=7P2y7vlu7IFWc/z8AGZyvA6pP8aNRa3hayeutTl4Oxk=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language; b=RHJo5bYrw9iN9PRdQO7NeS1b58J53Ve/jX7QhwBZQGSuy/O+4uwOM4C2ogaSR1uD3 G4wBpPb2NBSQbS4Rdj+uqdor7fcVx/ixcUwktv88to+dQA1ompnd5wLigHF4JRL6EH KwFLia/PgKwKgdPCu4yTR01s3rdTFX6C5oQfjPMk= Received: from [192.168.1.118] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay8.ng.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.108) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:38:54 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= Message-ID: <023fb018-b933-0e6b-cf9a-dbb9c7111403@seznam.cz> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:38:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C83F91E43BB1244F892ADF6A" Content-Language: cs Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:38:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C83F91E43BB1244F892ADF6A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello. Debian 10 does it too, but if I open caja, find some folder by typing, press escape and then enter, it says in which folder I am. Best regards Vojta. Dne 19. 11. 19 v 17:11 Alex ARNAUD via orca-list napsal(a): > It seems it still remain a corner case of this one: > 1) Launch Caja > 2) Typing the first letter of a folder and press return without waiting > > Result: > Orca says "list view tree table" > > Expected result: > I assume Orca should say the same as without doing search or at least > announce the folder we're into. > > Best regards. > > > Le 28/10/2019 à 11:28, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list a écrit : >> Le 25/10/2019 à 17:50, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >>> Ok, I have hopefully fixed this, but I'm only doing the change in >>> master until we have much more testing. The reason why is one change >>> was to remove an old hack we had in place to eliminate some >>> chattiness. Hopefully it doesn't make things way too chatty now. The >>> other change was to stop presenting the "frame" role when the active >>> frame hasn't changed. I don't know if that will have any side >>> effects we don't want. >> Thank you very much Joanie. It works great. At this time I don't see >> regressions with this. >> >> Best regards, >> Alex. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------C83F91E43BB1244F892ADF6A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello.


Debian 10 does it too, but if I open caja, find some folder by typing, press escape and then enter, it says in which folder I am.


Best regards


Vojta.

Dne 19. 11. 19 v 17:11 Alex ARNAUD via orca-list napsal(a):
It seems it still remain a corner case of this one:
1) Launch Caja
2) Typing the first letter of a folder and press return without waiting

Result:
Orca says "list view tree table"

Expected result:
I assume Orca should say the same as without doing search or at least announce the folder we're into.

Best regards.


Le 28/10/2019 à 11:28, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list a écrit :
Le 25/10/2019 à 17:50, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
Ok, I have hopefully fixed this, but I'm only doing the change in master until we have much more testing. The reason why is one change was to remove an old hack we had in place to eliminate some chattiness. Hopefully it doesn't make things way too chatty now. The other change was to stop presenting the "frame" role when the active frame hasn't changed. I don't know if that will have any side effects we don't want.
Thank you very much Joanie. It works great. At this time I don't see regressions with this.

Best regards,
Alex.

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Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
--------------C83F91E43BB1244F892ADF6A-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 19 20:04:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F1576116 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:04:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fzY28m52YndK for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EFCB760FA for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:04:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=v3/YverSqXub1J5je6ZJ3ZRzKqpc1jesE3a1NC2wy/U=; b=kjcibqogTfBG4ShUlwva3TJ8M+Jbg5XLS2ZLwpIgRKSFvwP1Ih1a764HKr+odFCFABl9uuQppYkCLvS2cqN8UZPZvcomskYJmS9mid1tl+1WUcirSXIUOafp3j0zqQ+J08LKtJQOmXB6L3JvJlA6ST1xMhlofxO3L+vpp6ODGzshCUjZbvjR0GNdSuowXoaoC46Vd11jwEPZPn1tMXJkcQRiVsednm2vF5dXRND7uwDEXLziceonQYepuaBBKBMR3VODFkdATp37XrwYaM81t6oPMRGP7e4BUD7LK48KS7TJY9Nz+yPoJiZxEev2XWB38GaPZEtuc+osIo/5F6mQVQ==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iX9ja-0007bJ-S0; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:04:23 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:04:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:04:21 -0000 Hey Alex. When I do your steps to reproduce the problem, Orca speaks the newly-selected folder for me. --joanie On 11/19/19 11:36 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Le 19/11/2019 à 17:30, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >>  For me, when I enable only speak displayed text, Orca says "List >> View" not "List View tree table". This is with Orca master. > But does Orca speak the folder we're going on? > (I was probably not clear but it's the main issue here) > > Best regards. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From aarnaud@hypra.fr Wed Nov 20 10:34:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0297616C for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:34:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MuCWcMrL9w8Q for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8684B76093 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (217.220.12.109.rev.sfr.net [109.12.220.217]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8B53583280 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:33:14 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574245994; bh=1b0ZTQJxX74fnuBRgLoYuAcyMxJ9B2YAkWT7811lR9g=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=P0KiYJNENvn5zAXcwIk1y7KbBUTMk8KTnCsjTZAB+Rz3A0NpFoJGuSgmOU75HDhIr gjCC9pl3SZ+rl0GhfgpcBS76UhTCGD3wZ71qGfei30qrKo0f5rd+V2fGwOXNAddRPp 6rHVvvMU5wa6BdqTC4BgryBsHD8aqO9yMOwYbO+s= To: Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:33:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1872BE66CBF4EB39BD372E11" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:34:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1872BE66CBF4EB39BD372E11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 19/11/2019 à 21:04, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > Hey Alex. > > When I do your steps to reproduce the problem, Orca speaks the > newly-selected folder for me. I should have been more precise. Steps to reproduce: 1) Launch Caja on the folder OLDFOLDER 2) Typing the first letter of a folder What's happen: The selected folder is "NEWFOLDER" and Orca begins to announce it (you're still on the folder OLDFOLDER) 3) Press return without waiting What's happen: You're moving from "OLDFOLDER" to "NEWFOLDER" Result: Orca doesn't announce "NEWFOLDER" after pressing the return key. Expected result: Orca should have the same behaviour as if we've not make any search. I hope it's clear now :). Best regards. --------------1872BE66CBF4EB39BD372E11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 19/11/2019 à 21:04, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
Hey Alex.

When I do your steps to reproduce the problem, Orca speaks the newly-selected folder for me.
I should have been more precise.

Steps to reproduce:
1) Launch Caja on the folder OLDFOLDER
2) Typing the first letter of a folder

What's happen:
The selected folder is "NEWFOLDER" and Orca begins to announce it (you're still on the folder OLDFOLDER)

3) Press return without waiting

What's happen:
You're moving from "OLDFOLDER" to "NEWFOLDER"

Result:
Orca doesn't announce "NEWFOLDER" after pressing the return key.

Expected result:
Orca should have the same behaviour as if we've not make any search.

I hope it's clear now :).

Best regards.
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Hi all.


To reproduce try the following steps using orca compiled from master or orca 3.34.1.


1. Using firefox go to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Maven+Properties+Guide.


2. After the page loads press the h key until you find the following:

'

Maven Properties Guide'


3. Press down arrow at least ten times.


In my machine orca is stuck in the following text:

'

${project.basedir}'

The good news is that it doesn't happen when I use chromium.
Thanks.
--------------B52522A5AEBCF2AE44CD29ED-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Wed Nov 20 23:47:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECF3760BE for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:47:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QS9cKtL81XBc for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 458AB760FC for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:46:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=V9CeMWXMPqfq2MH4W30EN7Kc9C+rJZnHZLMxP2UT7QY=; b=fcbNI1cZliCZDz4ZVbtjFR81y63sPqaw4hJ9rmZj/373rwpVJj3NzeEBtcKsqN2ObzcTfZK799mmtzOJXCgdUSLnhwRfuxGk/pIUNCIJlAFLq6q19dzqNHUXX04iQFE2P8zLMGQil2WzvhVHpdtP4X8KqTfyQdkNRZKkGm06vtxS4qewLENWJQ7sdlYFq5uvZ+4kY0D2j7zq0CZ2HifX1SRjWGNMf+ooNkzSRvUxDSg1WjsrSLGLkQFunfTzfaC7HKQBNH48XqrEXvTBMzB0AtsVio6N+oJiK/TdzZne+kp2K5Aj4oURizw4oVQXi9jjCBg4yhQbrmGJGyxe3jl8oQ==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXZgN-0005P7-N4; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:46:47 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , orca References: <88d20108-8ba3-cc68-b5f6-ce489f524042@informal.com.br> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <393981cb-9810-5e5d-627f-3962f63993fa@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:46:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <88d20108-8ba3-cc68-b5f6-ce489f524042@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca sticks to a certain page X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:47:23 -0000 Hey José. I cannot reproduce this in Firefox nightly using Orca master. Can you reliably reproduce it? --joanie On 11/20/19 7:02 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > > > To reproduce try the following steps using orca compiled from master or > orca 3.34.1. > > > 1. Using firefox go to > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Maven+Properties+Guide. > > > 2. After the page loads press the h key until you find the following: > > ' > > > Maven Properties Guide' > > > > 3. Press down arrow at least ten times. > > > In my machine orca is stuck in the following text: > > ' > > ${project.basedir}' > > The good news is that it doesn't happen when I use chromium. > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Wed Nov 20 23:52:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675E7760BE for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:52:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jFMz6VyeJ98m for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF6E2760FC for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:52:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=X855gehIGtdSJHRqO9eILBfKV9N9jd/4ba1HE3lvasU=; b=MRVDKsCOZQk30Mg9b1+KXjoB1zy6jJZkzWtJDiLXtaZR430bXESvSQkVezxHpqzKTW38Wws/tmoFNVlz410ybtjQvoQH6z/CxpluLLbfrA8QG6jSkaPQvFtjrOxk3PUJoq5iv2GpG+Qd+Oz4pFjLsXcfk89SJkBiOr68fvo5xwn0USy+joJMUGqEFtUDdiKh2wDg57cKdWdO3HUVRwnCCJCqmfK6qOvz19nwvPF4YVqgAEbwgq4EqtxpZ/KrA/OiQee5ht5X9DpvpurBxcp+bD2AvaD8GGwjys1aghmwa95gEMFnZxQB06Jgx38JwNtCerCL/R58We1GG2S9UvAmEg==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXZlm-0005pE-KM; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:52:22 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:52:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:52:56 -0000 Hi Alex. I believe I understood you before. Or, rather, what you wrote down didn't change my mind. So let me try instead. Steps to reproduce: 1. Launch Caja. Focus starts out on the left side, just under "Computer". A folder with my username ("jd") is selected. It corresponds to my home directory, the contents of which are shown on the right. 2. Type "tra" followed by return quickly. Expected and actual results: Orca announces "Trash", the newly selected folder on the left side panel. So.... Are you doing the same thing I'm doing, but getting different results? Or are you doing something totally different? Sorry for being dense! --joanie On 11/20/19 5:33 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Le 19/11/2019 à 21:04, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >> Hey Alex. >> >> When I do your steps to reproduce the problem, Orca speaks the >> newly-selected folder for me. > I should have been more precise. > > Steps to reproduce: > 1) Launch Caja on the folder OLDFOLDER > 2) Typing the first letter of a folder > > What's happen: > The selected folder is "NEWFOLDER" and Orca begins to announce it > (you're still on the folder OLDFOLDER) > > 3) Press return without waiting > > What's happen: > You're moving from "OLDFOLDER" to "NEWFOLDER" > > Result: > Orca doesn't announce "NEWFOLDER" after pressing the return key. > > Expected result: > Orca should have the same behaviour as if we've not make any search. > > I hope it's clear now :). > > Best regards. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From vilmar@informal.com.br Thu Nov 21 00:18:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B26776102 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:18:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LZOyQhTHigSb for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt1-f194.google.com (mail-qt1-f194.google.com [209.85.160.194]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB0FD760FC for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-f194.google.com with SMTP id 14so1665309qtf.5 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 16:17:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=k3PCxb1rezlC6epz7+uvE6mpOw06KevOchPZQeWH4OQ=; b=0/UuvX7DoRN7Df6kEWjLP7i+nL5qSC72h2UG0UZgH+3pc8406ccGlHb/DhnTyOhNB/ VzoftD6CbY8KfjGFUEJsT+/t9m54HXyBO5l1+Ac5uJtlbJhddWQDRO69zDEc96w87kTX ZJws4u499y8qOdOQsupP4b4QcKjuSuvtQZIfwCamiOivR0YTt21GIbzEqYTDMY/Pg/Ox aItSjswfZJd7rBbt05o3RqGjPZJpFsfa9XHu2M4RUKmzL8+yXkKuROzCRun74xxjgFC2 VN0A4tXZ0yVL239M0nfXcVQAI8C3dsuCCAQsvamv2GhM6koElItFfhF9udG+CfE084RX Atjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=k3PCxb1rezlC6epz7+uvE6mpOw06KevOchPZQeWH4OQ=; b=Nvf6129RJujMg/IoXstBIiDK9sccVnbeZnc17iHsB3PJgzJfe7bLq94mvNcYj7HV/6 iHBFvkqjGhtV2yHGHBT1t1DiQOtcvbqN/rDxRFFIHCAhodPSjPVXqlVg5iOkSTEx6SSj DqrZf2rIFLLjaNfL73ov4QOiR/4Ean/eQ/XW+MfuKEVuXRcstCH6lMd6p4NieP2XHzcT brbUeBNNOFjVdoAAg1pJ+gDMnCFqoe0IdsW7Adi55sQ8QmQv1cy1nGvMSMN/sPBKdU2H +Wgoptm/W9kKp4YN9ucBugqbucnLukUTfzk8ScwJSW/Tg/SjADPKAsi64vEy9DW5rW4/ PNsw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXblJZC9gwozVbPJxnDhF1qm5YG7op1/OE3Vz7m20/wwxA+xNyO HL6ZCSVquylLMemiQJVU52+ZuD2Ny1pP+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwA0k0cDKhdmdQ/bQd9hRAr2MHLpchNRQLsyHeCXTKYAimqzT8MF+LZMSSAa11GnfxXgoc69A== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1604:: with SMTP id p4mr5803398qtj.276.1574295452077; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 16:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2804:14d:5c51:a21e::1002? ([2804:14d:5c51:a21e::1002]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i41sm451791qti.42.2019.11.20.16.17.30 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Nov 2019 16:17:31 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , orca References: <88d20108-8ba3-cc68-b5f6-ce489f524042@informal.com.br> <393981cb-9810-5e5d-627f-3962f63993fa@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: <1c12d3eb-dac9-f530-13ba-f53d770a354a@informal.com.br> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:17:29 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <393981cb-9810-5e5d-627f-3962f63993fa@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca sticks to a certain page X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:18:05 -0000 Hi Joanie. Using FF nightly I can not reproduce. But I can reproduce the problem using FF 70.0.1. Thanks. On 11/20/19 8:46 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey José. > > I cannot reproduce this in Firefox nightly using Orca master. Can you > reliably reproduce it? > > --joanie > > On 11/20/19 7:02 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> >> To reproduce try the following steps using orca compiled from master >> or orca 3.34.1. >> >> >> 1. Using firefox go to >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Maven+Properties+Guide. >> >> >> 2. After the page loads press the h key until you find the following: >> >> ' >> >> >>   Maven Properties Guide' >> >> >> >> 3. Press down arrow at least ten times. >> >> >> In my machine orca is stuck in the following text: >> >> ' >> >> ${project.basedir}' >> >> The good news is that it doesn't happen when I use chromium. >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 21 00:30:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B677610B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:30:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9BzSOGZzFL7 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70C5876102 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:30:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=o6RxDqVuGvsA3lFSYER6srP7UWQXaY7T1lpXKob4nmE=; b=a0R2AH/paRBVkMIsMcTrCX4mdfoae06ppMUMoCxX1aCP9c5pnjGzP1oG60rEbUDu02bW0uRfotF79NcRUCmgk5DC8VmyZ8tMfYAkIJh1ZzMv3twTWcE67sRCVJf/EUO2bYlWlOC4Doiabrr61XpgpDFYoBY/bH7zlp4Gx+VMNwFqyQfVgwPoJ9ZjKKuLMjvQfY5py1i/srmnmNqVLiWC4DVB0AiRhmGgCyCFl9S96zrtnngMk/uUHbMaus6qLXUUBSXbBnXOPFAsZvC3Si8AyAy4ew3PqH2sUmh+rVzAaZ/tgHrs/Vlo5BrJhiUn8b8YOg/9IJt0VQxnSq3bR8SQew==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXaMR-0000Qr-5n; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 01:30:15 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= , orca References: <88d20108-8ba3-cc68-b5f6-ce489f524042@informal.com.br> <393981cb-9810-5e5d-627f-3962f63993fa@igalia.com> <1c12d3eb-dac9-f530-13ba-f53d770a354a@informal.com.br> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <87e10831-0503-9470-a1da-9e62c9e7c57b@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:30:04 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1c12d3eb-dac9-f530-13ba-f53d770a354a@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca sticks to a certain page X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:30:40 -0000 Ok. then let's wait until the Firefox fix works its way from Nightly to stable. Thanks for the update! --joanie On 11/20/19 7:17 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Joanie. > > > Using FF nightly I can not reproduce. But I can reproduce the problem > using FF 70.0.1. > > Thanks. > > On 11/20/19 8:46 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Hey José. >> >> I cannot reproduce this in Firefox nightly using Orca master. Can you >> reliably reproduce it? >> >> --joanie >> >> On 11/20/19 7:02 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >>> Hi all. >>> >>> >>> To reproduce try the following steps using orca compiled from master >>> or orca 3.34.1. >>> >>> >>> 1. Using firefox go to >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Maven+Properties+Guide. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. After the page loads press the h key until you find the following: >>> >>> ' >>> >>> >>>   Maven Properties Guide' >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. Press down arrow at least ten times. >>> >>> >>> In my machine orca is stuck in the following text: >>> >>> ' >>> >>> ${project.basedir}' >>> >>> The good news is that it doesn't happen when I use chromium. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> >> > From misha354@gmail.com Thu Nov 21 00:45:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484BC76102 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:45:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.752 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.752 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KAwQFhGhnXgT for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vs1-f42.google.com (mail-vs1-f42.google.com [209.85.217.42]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A4DE760FC for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vs1-f42.google.com with SMTP id x21so1066050vsp.6 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 16:45:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=iNtR+n8+JfeqxhTWy1Oh3fQhTJfFoGmshvlNDJXz48U=; b=aiOLkeQJ3lieH7egt7mGq2Go0mdiXqyFoqVcapVM8DXCVUHp5Onf+ON18hLmGPH7Xv t0nSz/qnPMntQhysGqEL4QKJHNukUMoJZxGlm5YhS5zTq/n7Go6/wL2jx/YxWdX/Aw4J uut9LWX8mkajou+vwGYRv07i78OlaGF0KAC8m64M+DxHShEP1XZ8V2OMxXfVrD8BIBIp /k3PL3SG+Y0mXXW5aJfsOakeIcX1IRzPXj7XI9E7l6w6Gz4FNNFgR3bnr7v4qRV4lf4e zikfDaSalhQehTjWqgFXAOaAcsmT+uFQr1c8kOFP9qqEnOhl/8BHCW1rFQST+ecpDkTE 9oCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=iNtR+n8+JfeqxhTWy1Oh3fQhTJfFoGmshvlNDJXz48U=; b=qGsoci68vla6NYqNWmIavVDFPk3F4uyPE48C46CBjVjOSP13wj+bx/+3AHVP8dPrpR nGT7GlfWm35IAfy0G6vuqIu99lJyEsK057gv90gOC6vPgW6JXVEXznAPU/Z7oZRsyDHc CK24w2pH2MG/KKAKmJyWqTqcmyi5BaK8tkZJnbdnaCrfrapoMkO3Y2uCOTyKzbnRAc0x T0biD0dr5OlJayW2/8fAtkYB/rVRdR985VFIzOQaq5ZUNaTxZM+nyU21eQt7B8257mUO 8r21PBIcoTjoYCfuEbgXOeAF0er65i5vn4RBcfGpCGbJrKzA162mf5MaBNXlnfumIvoL BfnA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXtxUmiKIfxRrKhffG681ATWGcLFq2ffiwwdFtlzEty3eyXJpqy qFqEBPeSazslG/EcPuNXMAm18RrZ0XmiStj6CgvO31IIEdQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwxM7T03EVpvnSr3hBnFbsaxXsmTY2dydAZfR8L4exp9qFpUKQljcrDdYMn7lpsu4CI5Jje/Hk/jsvxISQUHBE= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e152:: with SMTP id o18mr4115223vsl.152.1574297123695; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 16:45:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Zhukovskiy Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:45:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: orca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d430fe0597d09c77" Subject: [orca-list] problem running orca from master branch X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:45:37 -0000 --000000000000d430fe0597d09c77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled. The symptoms are: 1) The orca proces is running, 2) Hitting -space brings up the Orca setings menu, and the screen reader works in that menu. 3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu 4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, spits out errors like the following. (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_u (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Atspi.Event (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_u (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application()).host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application()) Is there anything I can do to debug? Thank you, Mike --000000000000d430fe0597d09c77 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I am trying to run O= rca built from master and it seems..crippled.

The = symptoms are:

1) The orca proces is running, =
2) Hitting <orca-modifier>-space brings up the Orca se= tings menu, and the screen reader works in that menu.
3) No scree= n reading goes on outside that menu
4) Periodically, the orca= process that I have running in a shell, spits out errors like the followin= g.
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_= get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' failed
/usr/lib/pyth= on3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_u
(or= ca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assert= ion 'list !=3D NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pya= tspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJ= ECT (object)' failed
=C2=A0 Atspi.Event
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICA= L **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NU= LL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py= :184: Warning: g_object_u
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: g= tk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' failed
/= usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_obje= ct_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
=C2=A0 Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x:=20 x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' f= ailed
=C2=A0 Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: = x.source.get_application()).host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: = x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' f= ailed
=C2=A0 Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: = x.source.get_application())
Is there anything I can do to debug?<= /div>

Thank you,
Mike

--000000000000d430fe0597d09c77-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Thu Nov 21 08:42:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285927610F for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:42:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g4fU0AGDsUue for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0FDA760F9 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E2EB583280 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:41:59 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574325719; bh=3H3AXHl/NBPEty02EdQROvWnn5/4wLUUP9Rq8ukY49s=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lgQfuOQp7Qr+Kphgpwr87Qw1bn7dAqp4WUCgzBTm+Ld01w37KUrSlebUeGIFaOBLW h4pTXsgTppf0Go7uHFhiMsglrd5touGwWFHQ5a8fXAoeVUiDlRZqUm1KtBc4U4FuKJ OotfH6X531VFIRIAbGoJw34Rv6tOEuZxkn7oiy50= To: orca References: From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <80aa4557-ed76-891f-c885-b3624ec7f3a6@hypra.fr> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:41:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2B0DEAA6CA3C3CF749BFB57D" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem running orca from master branch X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:42:34 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2B0DEAA6CA3C3CF749BFB57D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What you could do is to find which commit has introcued this regression. Le 21/11/2019 à 01:45, Mike Zhukovskiy via orca-list a écrit : > Hi, > > I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled. > > The symptoms are: > > 1) The orca proces is running, > 2) Hitting -space brings up the Orca setings menu, and > the screen reader works in that menu. > 3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu > 4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, > spits out errors like the following. > (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > g_object_u > (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >   Atspi.Event > (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > g_object_u > (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: > x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: > x.source.get_application()).host_application = property(fget=lambda x: > x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: > x.source.get_application()) > Is there anything I can do to debug? > > Thank you, > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------2B0DEAA6CA3C3CF749BFB57D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What you could do is to find which commit has introcued this regression.

Le 21/11/2019 à 01:45, Mike Zhukovskiy via orca-list a écrit :
Hi,

I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled.

The symptoms are:

1) The orca proces is running,
2) Hitting <orca-modifier>-space brings up the Orca setings menu, and the screen reader works in that menu.
3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu
4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, spits out errors like the following.
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_u
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  Atspi.Event
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_u
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application()).host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application())
Is there anything I can do to debug?

Thank you,
Mike


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Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html

--------------2B0DEAA6CA3C3CF749BFB57D-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Thu Nov 21 09:14:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A2976176 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:14:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vKzpbpAau3UZ for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3144C760F9 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5CD48583280 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:13:48 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574327628; bh=5rHTtPBf67JLJTl4flPDRzkYrtDuZP0k5g11VJ9Mflo=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=qztIvJlrOBri3si7A/Cf4xDAc7MobodM21lo+pcbhUNy/kMK8itg4Yn1wrftBs3of iC7ajIrOyE3uR5Cgh7QSe/Izx12bkLWkCvYehtVeKFPJG9Tqe1D32eT8JWdEckoe6y v42jLdugm9/MGqPmzqSNBQC1jOxRexbuUF1gnUk8= To: orca References: From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <10660c6f-3865-6b2a-fb77-7b1c73910499@hypra.fr> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:13:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------16266EA1FC0585E259437169" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem running orca from master branch X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:14:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------16266EA1FC0585E259437169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm not sure but I assume I've found the culprit commit, see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues/70#note_652267 Best regards. Le 21/11/2019 à 01:45, Mike Zhukovskiy via orca-list a écrit : > Hi, > > I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled. > > The symptoms are: > > 1) The orca proces is running, > 2) Hitting -space brings up the Orca setings menu, and > the screen reader works in that menu. > 3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu > 4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, > spits out errors like the following. > (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > g_object_u > (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >   Atspi.Event > (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > g_object_u > (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: > x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: > x.source.get_application()).host_application = property(fget=lambda x: > x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: > x.source.get_application()) > Is there anything I can do to debug? > > Thank you, > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------16266EA1FC0585E259437169 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm not sure but I assume I've found the culprit commit, see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues/70#note_652267

Best regards.

Le 21/11/2019 à 01:45, Mike Zhukovskiy via orca-list a écrit :
Hi,

I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled.

The symptoms are:

1) The orca proces is running,
2) Hitting <orca-modifier>-space brings up the Orca setings menu, and the screen reader works in that menu.
3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu
4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, spits out errors like the following.
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_u
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  Atspi.Event
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_u
(orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application()).host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application())
Is there anything I can do to debug?

Thank you,
Mike


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html

--------------16266EA1FC0585E259437169-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Thu Nov 21 09:20:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8499B7612C for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:20:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UgLDTT9rDe4d for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A8AA760F9 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0320583280; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:19:47 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574327987; bh=dyKAUffKbsZQlD+z6F+mqnKCMN7fLY1fp6BcmyIswkk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=LfxksWs9JLwfGawFMau4HyewNH/lGOoX183jdojYvAEbEB7YJOtmeAh37BefvUVXV /ZGZ8EZ2J6NrmKpX3AhmJrnbRgAA3NLm3bEjYy/R2x/DjBuxR9q83toRPLJToZn+yC MuEdf6Ab27zLgv+lerNCjhvlyMq9H8cYZ+sCV/Y0= To: Joanmarie Diggs , Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:19:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------78C612C41DA2668ECB5C9736" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:20:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------78C612C41DA2668ECB5C9736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 00:52, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > Expected and actual results: Orca announces "Trash", the newly > selected folder on the left side panel. Yes, right. What's happening if you do not let Orca having the time to announce it and directly press return? For me in this case Orca doesn't announce the folder we have switch into. Best regards. --------------78C612C41DA2668ECB5C9736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 00:52, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
Expected and actual results: Orca announces "Trash", the newly selected folder on the left side panel.
Yes, right. What's happening if you do not let Orca having the time to announce it and directly press return? For me in this case Orca doesn't announce the folder we have switch into.

Best regards.
--------------78C612C41DA2668ECB5C9736-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 21 13:12:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573367615D for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:12:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JQAFc-wiDt3S for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02A57615B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:11:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=4vLdApxUsjKRZCno84iYfZpZn+wz1E5bMOjFg8gU6IE=; b=MPvyWoiCxyOEK7jWUYZWu8aWgsRc5SgfpQkhF/P0O1i1wW5N3Bca1FR9oqSu3C/gDeBQs6fmy9iKQdtWMVYoNLb/l3M+KJ9aGcjQ85/FdzzHGo3xp5S5/I94dYuoo9P9ZIrMx8RYmJqSZYKaI0uJKNF8nEyugfvs/qqBfPlzM6K6j23W/JgVQ65a4Ci1316Nz4UCfsofDZF9cPHo9TgdPQ5eka515lrBXmZd/ONQzv0FmqaxK+Kc5CJEBgYWU+i6vQf5azbkFcwkFAnbFCsIZpGSUGanBxjZyj5oo4KHUjzkfDrSlSnItdrhVspdIcezYR8gVN+xmsA6o+hFvgevyw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXmFD-00081j-CB; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:11:35 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:11:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:12:09 -0000 I wonder if it's saying it but you're interrupting the speech from being heard? On 11/21/19 4:19 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Le 21/11/2019 à 00:52, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >> Expected and actual results: Orca announces "Trash", the newly >> selected folder on the left side panel. > Yes, right. What's happening if you do not let Orca having the time to > announce it and directly press return? For me in this case Orca doesn't > announce the folder we have switch into. > > Best regards. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 21 13:29:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E267615B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:29:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r-77vcRByGYG for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1592476103 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:29:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=KCZRE2TISX8Ob7cXpu+aeVAPTqESJ+lHElXORjZeSIs=; b=chq4OGkfvPUolM+xuBEZx2DvG+w+Q/n0gS9Z6X5uuFwv+3PpqnMVIysZ6pDMN39EGHEP0b8hQz+bakXNP3e/KCS01D/8QEByFF6WRyMaxPE/PaLrOtEjyah/Z80MNHwsq2T7wM/cgf/86v76W7D4hMvHTub8fwDKEYI+IbvPRuNd7quKU/B6rlCoERatWyWINAmtj8BqIznETSq77A14qDfXVjLg7tX8uxMqJYR+07Vwj0nRHieamccxKoYT0bcdFTojyd3PNp5XOzFFeQhQqOQP5caXilEvRxsU4tEGBcGdWcTPg/rWcv3QZHIpEYWtIZmhXk4hp/YJ82Lcag3e5Q==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXmWC-0000rq-Of; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:29:09 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , orca References: <10660c6f-3865-6b2a-fb77-7b1c73910499@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:28:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <10660c6f-3865-6b2a-fb77-7b1c73910499@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem running orca from master branch X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:29:43 -0000 I'm afraid I don't see how this commit would cause Gtk+ errors or anything else to speak. The change in the commit in question only works if you have mouse review enabled (it's not be default) and are hovering the mouse pointer over Gecko content or Chromium content. --joanie On 11/21/19 4:13 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > I'm not sure but I assume I've found the culprit commit, see > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues/70#note_652267 > > > Best regards. > > Le 21/11/2019 à 01:45, Mike Zhukovskiy via orca-list a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled. >> >> The symptoms are: >> >> 1) The orca proces is running, >> 2) Hitting -space brings up the Orca setings menu, and >> the screen reader works in that menu. >> 3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu >> 4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, >> spits out errors like the following. >> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: >> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed >> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: >> g_object_u >> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: >> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed >> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: >> g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >>   Atspi.Event >> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: >> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed >> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: >> g_object_u >> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: >> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed >> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: >> g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >>   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: >> x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >>   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: >> x.source.get_application()).host_application = property(fget=lambda x: >> x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >>   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: >> x.source.get_application()) >> Is there anything I can do to debug? >> >> Thank you, >> Mike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 21 13:43:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A43760F1 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:43:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BOFG-pKj4u55 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4560176183 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:43:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject; bh=tg1DbaL6rLyO9cEo1/vnHE6zF6+kJbO+xDkp1Om42GM=; b=X9QaebcSLOqZbwNjh695AooxNHF9Grb2buWMCtniJ305xN3lSBuwASrziV3eFOWDTRII+c2+Eu/Wl2TOGNzo2HclIPXYnmApPCrKiyqIg0XY0rfqEpY06ds8QmjUnWMcWyHVQmoo4aiyqm0ZvF/MkvKD0YR0WerfrMeRRanU3kRAQBeo4nHg/X9Lh45GFzm13fYYFaoZ3loYFC0yIqoFvqwP073qP/1OpJPR13ae1HBj3hGcXVnfHmZsu3pTmrcxDZrxmITYSZkg8fSr/vxfjlo6WmsLWxRn8ES5s56XmL0yGywQg1l+s6UCao2RG7Ydeo9CrimGLeQte85w1SPo0A==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXmjv-0001vA-DV; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:43:19 +0100 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Alex ARNAUD , orca References: <10660c6f-3865-6b2a-fb77-7b1c73910499@hypra.fr> Message-ID: <34d3db3b-b418-b331-7932-c5e2ee7d0432@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:43:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem running orca from master branch X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:43:53 -0000 Due to other issues (the ones you report seeing with Mouse Review), that change has now been reverted. On 11/21/19 8:28 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > I'm afraid I don't see how this commit would cause Gtk+ errors or > anything else to speak. > > The change in the commit in question only works if you have mouse review > enabled (it's not be default) and are hovering the mouse pointer over > Gecko content or Chromium content. > > --joanie > > On 11/21/19 4:13 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >> I'm not sure but I assume I've found the culprit commit, see >> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues/70#note_652267 >> >> >> Best regards. >> >> Le 21/11/2019 à 01:45, Mike Zhukovskiy via orca-list a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled. >>> >>> The symptoms are: >>> >>> 1) The orca proces is running, >>> 2) Hitting -space brings up the Orca setings menu, and >>> the screen reader works in that menu. >>> 3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu >>> 4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, >>> spits out errors like the following. >>> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: >>> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed >>> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: >>> g_object_u >>> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: >>> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed >>> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: >>> g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >>>   Atspi.Event >>> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: >>> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed >>> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: >>> g_object_u >>> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: >>> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed >>> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: >>> g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >>>   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: >>> x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >>>   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: >>> x.source.get_application()).host_application = property(fget=lambda >>> x: x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' >>> failed >>>   Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: >>> x.source.get_application()) >>> Is there anything I can do to debug? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access >>> guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From misha354@gmail.com Thu Nov 21 13:56:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55677612C for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:56:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.751 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.751 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i7uKskhorCJ0 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vk1-f171.google.com (mail-vk1-f171.google.com [209.85.221.171]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 847BA76103 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk1-f171.google.com with SMTP id o2so734823vkc.13 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 05:56:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kN4uBlZiN9Io228l+4gkOCLct2RKxUw3VA/Psd0tZjk=; b=q6cB4FSwK5iqC5JVIg0wF9sx83styxwPZfxXGHFm4r66/2cx7mPbBL9iFcZpMMhhqt B5EivnzT24w/xn4HRK6E50gdgxkJ03RwrxLdoZRWN3CIINNBEb5TW9rtFxgsfrcAdmu1 FcGZAz6X/x0xIbuyGRLoZOprMs3tcxACb6hriwQ7omkQalWcGX2COxXjnS8pY5UviMx8 ahfav2btCOMOhLpJcdfu9uQvyS+GnQE5rg6k1SMQ7q4hEHKwmFExhiVVhWz5AdAGR4S4 7pEEeQqeajCbbLN9dNSGfG17xIWYtgPQBHZCuTb1h43hXWZp+VEBnfGIQhbGnvt7NhGN o0mA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kN4uBlZiN9Io228l+4gkOCLct2RKxUw3VA/Psd0tZjk=; b=LdO+jGeB3f/RTzSpYV+P063aGIKEotLK2bQ4MPNERo3IftvVPWVEhNQFHk7gjkwo9I /QGB/NaO52R22uN7+lmiOvAdkEE+xofNzNhM3opmuV0g8XhC+8sFIZt4LZ3GB+x8h1f3 iGaMYUgx/aNdy/vdIMD0gHjzV5rDo8zaPYSthPjT3aKqbu9eGZa1t0H8TXjsH6NfCM7c SO+0N+HU/X+s4SuQC5XP+XiB4vUtmfZy2LQ5T2ahFuabldEUa3o7JnfxDgANQ/K/c47/ 0vIhRmCFgqyP5EIJtpxT2npNaGC4rADki1DOKIR9EW3DnB5wLM/+Zcz7nUaZgBiJriDE a3bQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX7BAganUl1m+i5g1FauzbRl0Flh2o4E0QBaFLeA0pUvIFh3oke km0sBFzHngQY94an/Alz6HmwSLrKBT9uKv5b2JqhqKAh X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyFtAFp2Kfycb+OgNPALhbLQe0bnMnZoZSwRBuDpEn7XxdcHcn3VCY/viM1u7CVoTtxBpJ1zsT5tkuQbJwKVaY= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:3d47:: with SMTP id k68mr5688184vka.38.1574344587073; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 05:56:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10660c6f-3865-6b2a-fb77-7b1c73910499@hypra.fr> In-Reply-To: From: Mike Zhukovskiy Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:56:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: Alex ARNAUD , orca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dde1810597dba916" Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem running orca from master branch X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:56:40 -0000 --000000000000dde1810597dba916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I probably did something wrong building or running Orca, I'm just not sure how to find out. Is there an IRC or Slack channel for this sort of debugging? On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 8:53 AM Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > I'm afraid I don't see how this commit would cause Gtk+ errors or > anything else to speak. > > The change in the commit in question only works if you have mouse review > enabled (it's not be default) and are hovering the mouse pointer over > Gecko content or Chromium content. > > --joanie > > On 11/21/19 4:13 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > > I'm not sure but I assume I've found the culprit commit, see > > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/issues/70#note_652267 > > > > > > Best regards. > > > > Le 21/11/2019 =C3=A0 01:45, Mike Zhukovskiy via orca-list a =C3=A9crit = : > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled. > >> > >> The symptoms are: > >> > >> 1) The orca proces is running, > >> 2) Hitting -space brings up the Orca setings menu, and > >> the screen reader works in that menu. > >> 3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu > >> 4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, > >> spits out errors like the following. > >> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > >> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' failed > >> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > >> g_object_u > >> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > >> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' failed > >> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > >> g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > >> Atspi.Event > >> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > >> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' failed > >> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > >> g_object_u > >> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974: > >> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' failed > >> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warning: > >> g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > >> Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: > >> x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' fail= ed > >> Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: > >> x.source.get_application()).host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambd= a x: > >> x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' fail= ed > >> Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: > >> x.source.get_application()) > >> Is there anything I can do to debug? > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > --000000000000dde1810597dba916 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I probably did something wrong building or running Orca, I= 'm just not sure how to find out.=C2=A0 Is there an IRC or Slack channe= l for this sort of debugging?

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 8:53 AM Joanmarie Dig= gs <jdiggs@igalia.com> wrote= :
I'm afraid= I don't see how this commit would cause Gtk+ errors or
anything else to speak.

The change in the commit in question only works if you have mouse review enabled (it's not be default) and are hovering the mouse pointer over <= br> Gecko content or Chromium content.

--joanie

On 11/21/19 4:13 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
> I'm not sure but I assume I've found the culprit commit, see <= br> > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/is= sues/70#note_652267
> <https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orc= a/issues/70#note_652267>
>
> Best regards.
>
> Le 21/11/2019 =C3=A0 01:45, Mike Zhukovskiy via orca-list a =C3=A9crit= =C2=A0:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to run Orca built from master and it seems..crippled.<= br> >>
>> The symptoms are:
>>
>> 1) The orca proces is running,
>> 2) Hitting <orca-modifier>-space brings up the Orca setings = menu, and
>> the screen reader works in that menu.
>> 3) No screen reading goes on outside that menu
>> 4) Periodically, the orca process that I have running in a shell, =
>> spits out errors like the following.
>> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974:
>> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' fai= led
>> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warni= ng:
>> g_object_u
>> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974:
>> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' fai= led
>> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warni= ng:
>> g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >> =C2=A0 Atspi.Event
>> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974:
>> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' fai= led
>> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warni= ng:
>> g_object_u
>> (orca:2385): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 19:16:05.974:
>> gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list !=3D NULL' fai= led
>> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py:184: Warni= ng:
>> g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >> =C2=A0 Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: =
>> x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (objec= t)' failed
>> =C2=A0 Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: =
>> x.source.get_application()).host_application =3D property(fget=3Dl= ambda x:
>> x.source.get_application())nref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (objec= t)' failed
>> =C2=A0 Atspi.Event.host_application =3D property(fget=3Dlambda x: =
>> x.source.get_application())
>> Is there anything I can do to debug?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list= @gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/o= rca-list
>> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
>> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/or= ca/stable/
>> GNOME Universal Access guide:https:= //help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gno= me.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://h= elp.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
>

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stabl= e/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
--000000000000dde1810597dba916-- From brandt.steenkamp@gmail.com Thu Nov 21 14:29:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F295760DB for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:29:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.501 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.501 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yyRGB6x0JvEk for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt1-f176.google.com (mail-qt1-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD6E57616A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-f176.google.com with SMTP id o11so3832910qtr.11 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 06:29:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dolbTuCXI3C+WRazYzkwGxcNyYTpX6P5TiSKQiw/lKI=; b=rgQTbyBxO4YBfLyMt6pxGT7mQn0iONFGrA+/2pZoEVslrJQwaEWtlF9k2Ig53dBvzx SyDWB9sUqclFrmxxBYbscB4duIGvXiqptlpjZxgSftn7BjYaYLNmt38QYVB+sI1wugPU ds8M967Z6Nf71ImeVmITLp7rJXC3M0JZU7CVuQzHwGG2lT4Kqo1lz4AvaTuku77gH+4i V507DdrWH8sZ2rgXXL0G5FRIPFOkYPIbfjTHaEveyYvGfDbo/TT3CaN/x0PEiYk5zNZn JH/8n8uymFl3vJBy6dJZ9uW1kPcL5CfT/tYT++lfIni1OYqb8w8wGtfS0WnWDBL6DgqO VJ9g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dolbTuCXI3C+WRazYzkwGxcNyYTpX6P5TiSKQiw/lKI=; b=ZmxTQo4CAjMr32DLQ8i55d8RAc1Ck743tjb9+pYVvblKZtVAVNwuahhcsZ4gMsyWmp QtUluxzAjjSC7n+rGQ1LUpj+UfJYB9xX6Fsi6KnJPNLN973+UASl1NqZMrCtVhLUBtt3 7P6vRWKx2i0e01kLv6y5xcfDaeX5rsVPRp5UuHU4olJUo3yrRl1dEKFtC523CKH5De6x LgMrLEs3UQDhS4otoxHr8nFobOAkHQhUICCdJuYfdX6guQnkssKP4Cx4qxI5U4Mhg47I nLlGEj0Rekbu9ZOzSZ0RBp933Fgv25KfFtBQyZdPsuc9ORLSDNCUumoeTUnR+z7v0clF J0ow== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVo5dYDB4mnHnVqO7L7E/W38OFyH2lj34xrP2CJ69+yjHU3Hdz8 /7MZy0I6zY+/Hbo7w2lk8jQVWnwG3pvCONqfHMp8mw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzROeHMfoyFtbKgnuOaU+8AqBmfTUSKJcTwmMjWnrcLtLaKfREZEw3329Rf1DiSyP5qRHzlOFf2nmr1hgDX7qI= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5317:: with SMTP id t23mr8877582qtn.228.1574346573942; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 06:29:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brandt Steenkamp Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:29:22 +0200 Message-ID: To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004b15260597dc2091" Subject: [orca-list] Problem with braille contraction tables disappearing in Ubuntu 19.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:29:38 -0000 --0000000000004b15260597dc2091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi everybody, After installing Ubuntu 19.10, I updated to the latest orca master. Right after doing the update, I found that my previously working contracted braille was no longer. I thought, oh well, just settings disappearing. That was in fact not the case, for when I opened the screen reader preferences and switched to the Braille tab, I found to my utter dismay that my contracted braille tables were completely missing. I know for a fact they were working right before the update. I tried repairing this by removing orca and reinstalling from the Ubuntu repos, but no luck. Please help! I hate reading uncontracted braille, And I'm not very good at it. warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp sent from my Samsung Galaxy a70. --0000000000004b15260597dc2091 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everybody,

After installing Ubuntu 19.10, I updated to the latest orca = master. Right after doing the update, I found that my previously working co= ntracted braille was no longer. I thought, oh well, just settings disappear= ing. That was in fact not the case, for when I opened the screen reader pre= ferences and switched to the Braille tab, I found to my utter dismay that m= y contracted braille tables were completely missing. I know for a fact they= were working right before the update.

I tried repairing this by removing orca and reinstalling fro= m the Ubuntu repos, but no luck.

Please help! I hate reading uncontracted braille,
And I'm not very good at it.
warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

sent from my Samsung Galaxy a70.

--0000000000004b15260597dc2091-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Thu Nov 21 15:39:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E036F760F1 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:39:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SIDWOo75nBk2 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DDFA76177 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19174583280; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:38:42 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574350722; bh=wUTNb9np4tD8vfIGmA6Ktn6GVOM5KoANpY3jzyUlFbQ=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=mlmXXie40nC6ib9H3IJJ2VQ+2XEIeiCB/dU7DLL2o4TDTw6XQBBRgETk9bFIQctgj ug1TbF/68ftXSumdlbjhCScgFewZWzb+YOibRrMtckEF0vAaHlYbYBD7AOyHmeFTFf vEbYeiwtfekjzuj8Fy1k4p4ZYQHEvpd4lJpgTgYg= To: Mike Zhukovskiy , Joanmarie Diggs Cc: orca References: <10660c6f-3865-6b2a-fb77-7b1c73910499@hypra.fr> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <0f5361d0-3acc-4bf3-9240-47c21c200993@hypra.fr> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:38:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8421C4892BD14F8789B3773D" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem running orca from master branch X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:39:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8421C4892BD14F8789B3773D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 14:56, Mike Zhukovskiy a écrit : > I probably did something wrong building or running Orca, I'm just not > sure how to find out.  Is there an IRC or Slack channel for this sort > of debugging? We're mostly using Gitlab for discussing technical issue or this mailing list. Also there is the chan #gnome-a11y on irc.gnome.org for discussing Orca and other general accessibility subject. Best regards. --------------8421C4892BD14F8789B3773D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 14:56, Mike Zhukovskiy a écrit :
I probably did something wrong building or running Orca, I'm just not sure how to find out.  Is there an IRC or Slack channel for this sort of debugging?
We're mostly using Gitlab for discussing technical issue or this mailing list.

Also there is the chan #gnome-a11y on irc.gnome.org for discussing Orca and other general accessibility subject.

Best regards.
--------------8421C4892BD14F8789B3773D-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Thu Nov 21 16:18:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D6D760F1 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:18:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oH4_2np-rHMa for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AC3B76107 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D8EF583280 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:17:52 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574353072; bh=18Lk1lw8pE46Iq7gO0AUNXIJ439EcCRSjIrZZbjBASY=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=TXiSEn291RYB0LtgwZ/J0y4giQILCBi7GNI5y3JyNmHm8Dz+w3ICFnmQ7wpvwKghO WUsVVqigVlZt+8kJSU+dawaAT/I3eqiF3onXkpNyjFTZ1SpCLZXz86RrGAokuy9zuf w8fgFkAJeNgTADfbb6pU2/KTeK6CSUkM1d65n7Ss= To: Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <51ed4fcb-52a8-3850-1569-6a8976e1fb0e@hypra.fr> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:17:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E082526A5FC19CDEF3C70A1A" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:18:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E082526A5FC19CDEF3C70A1A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 14:11, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > I wonder if it's saying it but you're interrupting the speech from > being heard? Are you in list view in all the folders? If I'm on icon view I don't reproduce the issue. As icon view is mostly a "spatial view" we're using list view by default. --------------E082526A5FC19CDEF3C70A1A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 14:11, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
I wonder if it's saying it but you're interrupting the speech from being heard?
Are you in list view in all the folders? If I'm on icon view I don't reproduce the issue. As icon view is mostly a "spatial view" we're using list view by default.
--------------E082526A5FC19CDEF3C70A1A-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 21 16:40:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D719B760F1 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:40:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vhTok8LaNegs for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B47F57610A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:39:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=8Wd/FcI9pqNOlDZDerOOg4w7qpCvTJecOWtn4gzbl5w=; b=MbF8ZkWEeQFOqx1BqNTofVnXTtHliMOtj7usuXdfp39cvfvjGw0m5IkPWicK2Q5T4BTUHcOhehcLSWysmpCNbUsN85ixpD26Zx/n3bmdEMyuFgpsGmvhok64UCtFXWEmYZzUyLX20e1Nj59a4axn3StxQXMUB4pLrcVvJHiUdA2dUa6GhkX2u59dZruPIGT8ZiOCIriiXYlECnzuwwKf4FGQ1hp9m77rxQgEPJwGZ+Wo0c02cWh7SajZ5vjN4yEtkFG1ibd1mS2i38VMNnrA73/81oVWpOMQOl4IX4317tIk3udT7LpjcmtZ8n0RSCZh7iwjD2bDtiBaaQ2rBHmZKg==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXpUl-0007St-LI; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:39:51 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> <51ed4fcb-52a8-3850-1569-6a8976e1fb0e@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:39:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51ed4fcb-52a8-3850-1569-6a8976e1fb0e@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:40:26 -0000 Yes, I'm in list view in all the folders. But that is not where focus is. Should I be doing the search on the right-hand pane or the left-hand pane? I'm doing it in the left-hand pane. On 11/21/19 11:17 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Le 21/11/2019 à 14:11, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >> I wonder if it's saying it but you're interrupting the speech from >> being heard? > Are you in list view in all the folders? If I'm on icon view I don't > reproduce the issue. As icon view is mostly a "spatial view" we're using > list view by default. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 21 16:45:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC319760F1 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:45:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVsT2wNU6O19 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 043547610A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:44:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject; bh=L6gTxMM40t+tlMFFGSPNMsUkoRHs1FyV8dzT1nmsns8=; b=grVr6TYIIld0Q1XNlgPWzvbLN55OiSlQcO1NonMLmPdA7pURmQ1XMVmk6tGAVbyWnCPBlp1BViftQYZTklaF/W3LCC7QUGcTuljnSd/NMbSvw2S+kLw0j58TuAybKVaUoi5P1h1RvU6Had97elIw+P3XIaNfx3lPon1MN77XsusALxPk9KmJUov//eiv1zfuPl5bbILEJm83gJtPzpzos3/hjLSBzM1FZXm4+XR7vz7U+ygA6STgPcbJkwQM39u6LcpaXcjFae0ZVTRwkKDaB7O2zf5eEShgfDCGxq/cBcs0VeBbrioS2DOUp7zD/KcgNGHbUwH/rtwoFe7St6smdg==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXpZo-0007q9-E7; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:45:04 +0100 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> <51ed4fcb-52a8-3850-1569-6a8976e1fb0e@hypra.fr> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:44:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:45:37 -0000 BTW, I just worked around a missing Gtk event for tables -- totally different issue. But I wonder if that fix will improve the situation you describe. So could you please pull master and try again? --joanie On 11/21/19 11:39 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Yes, I'm in list view in all the folders. But that is not where focus > is. Should I be doing the search on the right-hand pane or the left-hand > pane? I'm doing it in the left-hand pane. > > On 11/21/19 11:17 AM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >> Le 21/11/2019 à 14:11, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >>> I wonder if it's saying it but you're interrupting the speech from >>> being heard? >> Are you in list view in all the folders? If I'm on icon view I don't >> reproduce the issue. As icon view is mostly a "spatial view" we're >> using list view by default. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From aarnaud@hypra.fr Thu Nov 21 17:13:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797557615B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:13:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w9U9pJkdcSQ5 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3483760F1 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFB69583280 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:13:11 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574356391; bh=6pu/nTBqTpXzyH7UxiCAx5mypCzcTJ1eoGUxsY7qbrE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=pSAqeSx+7xvN0/NgggvjaGblWdx/f8q8NrpsmqPtPuw/u5OuYXAM248PB9IMQZOky j3YUrLsQjxPNxrK6Px6WOmOfZLyNF1okSegC4lh9f56M2xlPu42pO/kYQSkvjuxc4E eXkBY3O/+Icm6h9x6LxKX/aI2yuXa43HVjG3ZNrw= To: Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> <51ed4fcb-52a8-3850-1569-6a8976e1fb0e@hypra.fr> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:13:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------016F15FE9EB6EA206299DB4B" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:13:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------016F15FE9EB6EA206299DB4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 17:39, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > Yes, I'm in list view in all the folders. But that is not where focus > is. Should I be doing the search on the right-hand pane or the > left-hand pane? I'm doing it in the left-hand pane. Yes, you should be in right-hand pane to reproduce this. --------------016F15FE9EB6EA206299DB4B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 17:39, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
Yes, I'm in list view in all the folders. But that is not where focus is. Should I be doing the search on the right-hand pane or the left-hand pane? I'm doing it in the left-hand pane.
Yes, you should be in right-hand pane to reproduce this.
--------------016F15FE9EB6EA206299DB4B-- From aarnaud@hypra.fr Thu Nov 21 17:15:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1065A7615B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:15:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15Xhn0tXYnWH for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5943D760F1 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 17C4A583280 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:14:39 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574356479; bh=jWff8z+2GplacqXFvJnBXRgt8qZfSWkpC0KLxCXDq5Q=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=bBK5upQuo7fxGBYB11jDANZtdyMqAXF8q0rXjDyxEucB45ZdIlO7AjBKrqgXmo8r7 qT4Ix70uW3sJ0yVgeh7gX6hClfQN4b/f2wgtFkt9PJMNoEKJNf7xMQyR/1NwXNpOw1 g7Da4FIThybjp9Me5s6B4W34rqd3eLHMNVLKc2jY= To: Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> <51ed4fcb-52a8-3850-1569-6a8976e1fb0e@hypra.fr> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:14:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A8145DE38C1505815A7B3154" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:15:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A8145DE38C1505815A7B3154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 17:44, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > BTW, I just worked around a missing Gtk event for tables -- totally > different issue. But I wonder if that fix will improve the situation > you describe. So could you please pull master and try again? Unfortunately, your fix doesn't seem to impact this particular behaviour. Best regards. --------------A8145DE38C1505815A7B3154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 21/11/2019 à 17:44, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
BTW, I just worked around a missing Gtk event for tables -- totally different issue. But I wonder if that fix will improve the situation you describe. So could you please pull master and try again?
Unfortunately, your fix doesn't seem to impact this particular behaviour.

Best regards.
--------------A8145DE38C1505815A7B3154-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 21 17:39:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14B876159 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:39:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_INVALID=1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dl7FpvN9-B4L for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 009427610A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:38:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=mZeu5ct1KraGMl5mKRTJtlcoo0ISmUmQzSTVPgueC3w=; b=Gc7wMG4RzyMz9NQqg9es5hzRwPJkIuAQ8tnjLJK7t0Bz5ASCMlGz9/b8QFtZnRr5IYnTKHCusX4thtuqkUJd68tCdxssT03AE8k2sS232cZOzuNiKPNCglgszvGHRPKMJ4EzNN5X3Cx+S316Q4owq6KZNBnYhgbWo7z/Xy9Ooxu7nwOW7FAwLH3fE/MpLXr11IlmkXh812Nb+l7EqpkiYstN0zKRle+ZMRvTeDzipfncEG1gkzb6/Mi/peqAX1EnkLpGOV1e6QzUEy7w+hC0WXrhDMdNP8xZbtQDDRhwrfexnmjBGOP5BW2tcoHIVtIiwVKabjnCQO12R8x1zeYjiQ==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iXqQ4-00047K-FG; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:39:04 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <227fc8a1-9cf2-494a-1833-3b67aee3a3dc@hypra.fr> <49b1e66f-b76e-5ca9-2e9d-664f6d1729ae@hypra.fr> <1468169f-4444-ac7d-fcf3-f904ce8f05fb@igalia.com> <597c564b-f614-cded-c5f1-0f010991250d@hypra.fr> <550e3e31-1fc1-86ad-bcf8-cddd23736695@igalia.com> <51ed4fcb-52a8-3850-1569-6a8976e1fb0e@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:38:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer announce the new folder we're into X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:39:39 -0000 Ok, that wasn't clear to me. Yes, I see what you're talking about now. Here's what you want to report against Caja: 1. The name of the tree table should NOT be "list view". The fact that it's a tree table -- and not an icon pane -- tells you you're in a list view. Thus naming it "list view" is redundant information. 2. What you want to know is the name of what's being listed. Is it the "Desktop" list or the "Templates" list? Therefore, replace the "list view" with the name of the directory whose contents are being listed. As a sighted user, one can look up above an see that you're in the "Templates" list from surrounding info like the window title and the push buttons immediately above the list. The problem is, there's no non-visual, obvious connection that Orca could use to reliably detect the following: 1. The tree table has a bad name (names are supposed to be localized) 2. A nearby push button or the window title is the name it should have And even if Orca could do something like that, the solution would be extremely fragile. For example, if the Caja authors were to decide the title of the Window should say "Caja", Orca would then always report that you were in the "Caja" tree table. Or what if it tries to guess based on the buttons, but those buttons get hidden? Hope this makes sense. And thanks in advance for reporting this Caja issue to the MATE developers. --joanie On 11/21/19 12:13 PM, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Le 21/11/2019 à 17:39, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : >> Yes, I'm in list view in all the folders. But that is not where focus >> is. Should I be doing the search on the right-hand pane or the >> left-hand pane? I'm doing it in the left-hand pane. > Yes, you should be in right-hand pane to reproduce this. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From jdiggs@igalia.com Sat Nov 23 19:07:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BAF7610B for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:07:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OR6_ybKEoVmg for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35CE3760F9 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:07:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject; bh=IBMcP8Mdouf4uPbVq8i5ySw/pEQYHZRpkjEvh3Bbzgg=; b=qMaI21ylnR3em8LOeeHOmA/n4uVE6UvrSHWWwcw2aKKpmEDzYJMHVzwQjWQs7gZalxPEysdg7DiDWNjEQrP4P6j1BO5QCQvbhq/cW1gZ4UYlEV5ACAG58+s3ZQBPjlCMZwJ4AE8urlQAxbnyWfmrvKT5gKvDLWqBCMmZY396eoE/tZh1f+LKGlbBZ8QmzQqtlTdwKSpUyD9rA/gf2cGuH3rWpt+B2aCetZfqF2HEap5YezWRkGrVoocoY04FFr7he+KYP72lHK+MeYoLsN9tb3TDYo+RS9HQ4bUInsIzxHcW086YzInOrw9M524NCiuAy8N0TdNBclvarTVSCVC7Dw==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iYal8-0002EB-WB; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:07:55 +0100 To: Janina Sajka Cc: orca References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:07:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:07:53 -0000 Thanks Janina! Your message made my day -- and quite possibly my year. :) --joanie On 11/23/19 1:50 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > Joanie: > > I've played with it for 5 minutes and I'm blown away. I just booked my > paratransit ride for tomorrow, logged into my Google Calendar, that's > about it so far. > > It's so fast! > > I'd swear it's faster than any browser on any OS, and I've got a few OS > hanging around here, all pretty current stuff. > > If truth be told, My Linux machine is my oldest computer, 2012 vintage. > But Chromium plus Orca is faster than anything on Mac or Windows, and > those are newer machines. > > Just my two cents (American). Thank you for this awesome gift. > > Janina > > Joanmarie Diggs writes: >> Hey all. >> >> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, so I >> wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though I keep >> saying we're not quite ready. >> >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >> >> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a >> super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command line >> switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the bottom of >> that page. >> >> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to >> double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report to me is >> not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should address it, but >> we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca users to try, and that >> means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. >> >> Thanks! >> --joanie >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From halim.sahin@t-online.de Sat Nov 23 19:20:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797BA7610A for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:20:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nZqvbGBcvuR2 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout10.t-online.de (mailout10.t-online.de [194.25.134.21]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83084760F9 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd24.aul.t-online.de (fwd24.aul.t-online.de [172.20.26.129]) by mailout10.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 990BF417DF63 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:20:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from hp.fritz.box (VUDBBTZSQhV+Lm0EgbqQQnKk6hlozzTMtiUmmzdoiG5Mu9cqJxhAkEOcOoC6CABZN7@[46.81.100.12]) by fwd24.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1iYax7-0oqOfo0; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:20:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:20:14 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191123192014.GA31614@hp.fritz.box> References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-ID: VUDBBTZSQhV+Lm0EgbqQQnKk6hlozzTMtiUmmzdoiG5Mu9cqJxhAkEOcOoC6CABZN7 X-TOI-MSGID: 2da17691-4ea8-4e26-bccd-5e53ebfdb4e5 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:20:15 -0000 Hi, I agree with Janina. Great work. Thx!!!! Regards Halim On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 02:07:44PM -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Thanks Janina! > > Your message made my day -- and quite possibly my year. :) > > --joanie > > On 11/23/19 1:50 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Joanie: > > > > I've played with it for 5 minutes and I'm blown away. I just booked my > > paratransit ride for tomorrow, logged into my Google Calendar, that's > > about it so far. > > > > It's so fast! > > > > I'd swear it's faster than any browser on any OS, and I've got a few OS > > hanging around here, all pretty current stuff. > > > > If truth be told, My Linux machine is my oldest computer, 2012 vintage. > > But Chromium plus Orca is faster than anything on Mac or Windows, and > > those are newer machines. > > > > Just my two cents (American). Thank you for this awesome gift. > > > > Janina > > > > Joanmarie Diggs writes: > > > Hey all. > > > > > > There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in > > > Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, so I > > > wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though I keep > > > saying we're not quite ready. > > > > > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium > > > > > > As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a > > > super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command line > > > switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the bottom of > > > that page. > > > > > > Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to > > > double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report to me is > > > not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should address it, but > > > we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca users to try, and that > > > means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > --joanie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From janina@rednote.net Sat Nov 23 19:31:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D39D7610B for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:31:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1X26QP5l78p4 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:31:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 2478 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:31:56 UTC Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3FAF760F9 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xANIoiOH024803 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:50:45 GMT DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 opera.rednote.net xANIoiOH024803 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1574535045; bh=klAydjA15+aCB8C1ARAbAG8B2GCBmL2y/6pdmUUTzKc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=jQbHUfrnhm425gNgFeKizDb1xojeribsK5UUZXpCzuoeAInydOIPEUP2eeBCfQIZh brT5Vn/l90djxhkz8DMzfvOlpy07IBg5fzbwsiHItvXS3SDbTAQaf83Rreuq7aLv3m G4SMaNgH4wQpGRQQQlYkz5IfmOdFTh8hlb6d7q+U= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id xANIoiqM024802; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 13:50:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 13:50:44 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: orca Message-ID: <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 5.0.17-300.fc30.x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:31:59 -0000 Joanie: I've played with it for 5 minutes and I'm blown away. I just booked my paratransit ride for tomorrow, logged into my Google Calendar, that's about it so far. It's so fast! I'd swear it's faster than any browser on any OS, and I've got a few OS hanging around here, all pretty current stuff. If truth be told, My Linux machine is my oldest computer, 2012 vintage. But Chromium plus Orca is faster than anything on Mac or Windows, and those are newer machines. Just my two cents (American). Thank you for this awesome gift. Janina Joanmarie Diggs writes: > Hey all. > > There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in > Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, so I > wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though I keep > saying we're not quite ready. > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium > > As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a > super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command line > switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the bottom of > that page. > > Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to > double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report to me is > not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should address it, but > we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca users to try, and that > means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. > > Thanks! > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa From janina@rednote.net Sat Nov 23 20:12:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1657610A for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:12:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rAVe9DtMY0Sn for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 681F0760F9 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xANKCBGT027485 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:12:11 GMT DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 opera.rednote.net xANKCBGT027485 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1574539931; bh=GNHZm91T+aijTwKC5Inv4IIZYcQCCAD1fQ10etfO++4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=DYknjrRGd+3tlFtHITlWgj663S4bv6JUMoUHnTWk6ynX+Uo0h8j47Zxju+gYTfcgk Gg/0aVsLaFL7xRmGdIGWLCjH5XGOfW91G/dsesxj9ozuZ64uRayKGlaPnoaUkGVU6w Z8ljwIqYqe3X9smgHij1+uHfd4RGwbIPkLgUpTm4= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id xANKC9lN027484; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:12:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:12:09 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: orca Message-ID: <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 5.0.17-300.fc30.x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:12:04 -0000 Oh my. A whole year? Well why not. This is seriously impressive stuff. You deserve it! Janina Joanmarie Diggs writes: > Thanks Janina! > > Your message made my day -- and quite possibly my year. :) > > --joanie > > On 11/23/19 1:50 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Joanie: > > > > I've played with it for 5 minutes and I'm blown away. I just booked my > > paratransit ride for tomorrow, logged into my Google Calendar, that's > > about it so far. > > > > It's so fast! > > > > I'd swear it's faster than any browser on any OS, and I've got a few OS > > hanging around here, all pretty current stuff. > > > > If truth be told, My Linux machine is my oldest computer, 2012 vintage. > > But Chromium plus Orca is faster than anything on Mac or Windows, and > > those are newer machines. > > > > Just my two cents (American). Thank you for this awesome gift. > > > > Janina > > > > Joanmarie Diggs writes: > > > Hey all. > > > > > > There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in > > > Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, so I > > > wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though I keep > > > saying we're not quite ready. > > > > > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium > > > > > > As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a > > > super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command line > > > switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the bottom of > > > that page. > > > > > > Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to > > > double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report to me is > > > not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should address it, but > > > we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca users to try, and that > > > means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > --joanie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa From jason@jasonjgw.net Sat Nov 23 20:57:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026FC7610A for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:57:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p2oMjnd0C3Eg for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B357760F9 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:85:c380:11f6::b17] (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c380:11f6::b17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DB28323F9; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:57:06 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1574542626; bh=6wWHdoAnZgFiB+JDjURZUF4po3+NxN2S6KmaQ4e0NoQ=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KyROmzzCOf5zEr8Po3rP5z4yuZOm2VFSZxOANVMK0cFR4qHm7uB4EvBAbY86ygFvW lAkE/88396NWd9JludFdURDt52RX4JaIfEB++ZkeSiYi8GH9/l6nuZQaOb3o+z/Ux3 lSP4SbWzvIRDrRvdVG1XqQ/S2TpHQt7B/3KVA2FMWR4fl62c26Q/1ilyek9jxYL8QH wz4Eh6uYmVj243zctapEPa6rAummZ3jr7Is/WJwXWRNejCW84HHx3fupVBz+oJrhDc oUWlcA2YXqAbXwJbHp31mDlxODaUxMvSSqTPmkj7BLMq07vdDpH59LRqtS228xNODk CxcCj0y8Hi1YQ== To: Janina Sajka , Joanmarie Diggs Cc: orca References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> From: Jason White Message-ID: <1ac4597c-955a-4b46-fa9d-cea2528d340c@jasonjgw.net> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:57:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Authentication-Results: svr.jasonjgw.net; auth=pass smtp.auth=jason smtp.mailfrom=jason@jasonjgw.net Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:57:01 -0000 I would like to echo Janina's comments. I just installed it, and it worked as soon as I set the ACCESSIBILITY_ENABLED=1 environment variable, which was not set by default. Performance is excellent. However, it's a fast machine, so I wouldn't notice as much as Janina does. On 11/23/19 3:12 PM, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote: > Oh my. A whole year? Well why not. This is seriously impressive stuff. > You deserve it! > > Janina > > Joanmarie Diggs writes: >> Thanks Janina! >> >> Your message made my day -- and quite possibly my year. :) >> >> --joanie >> >> On 11/23/19 1:50 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: >>> Joanie: >>> >>> I've played with it for 5 minutes and I'm blown away. I just booked my >>> paratransit ride for tomorrow, logged into my Google Calendar, that's >>> about it so far. >>> >>> It's so fast! >>> >>> I'd swear it's faster than any browser on any OS, and I've got a few OS >>> hanging around here, all pretty current stuff. >>> >>> If truth be told, My Linux machine is my oldest computer, 2012 vintage. >>> But Chromium plus Orca is faster than anything on Mac or Windows, and >>> those are newer machines. >>> >>> Just my two cents (American). Thank you for this awesome gift. >>> >>> Janina >>> >>> Joanmarie Diggs writes: >>>> Hey all. >>>> >>>> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >>>> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about testing, so I >>>> wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though I keep >>>> saying we're not quite ready. >>>> >>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >>>> >>>> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a >>>> super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command line >>>> switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the bottom of >>>> that page. >>>> >>>> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to >>>> double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to report to me is >>>> not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should address it, but >>>> we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca users to try, and that >>>> means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> --joanie >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From glennervin@cableone.net Sun Nov 24 18:40:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6CB760FC for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:40:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.15 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=1.25, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z7e8ivU8kwZS for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:40:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1202 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:40:26 UTC Received: from mail.cableone.net (mail2.cableone.syn-alias.com [69.168.106.66]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3D6E760A6 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:40:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=cableone.net; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@cableone.net; t=1574619631; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=89zweYu4TcdArwrNra3OrjAG5qY=; b=ELg/w/cu6nBW3w/zzjbRbGmxjAZflhs5zjyGpRW0MJqzN/1Z0ufCDeUJgzHWeH2Z HObuNflTFeORM0Yt5XIj7sPex5DdKI7Uo+t2qJDVVvTBb+dUMWeVRBr07md9SeMG FCkxiYSrdUhq/qZ222zkvE2CNdwzPwCzDgacZ2scR+qlgETWkqJoxEhxGt11KOlb bB2gmKA6X8N7W0iCN0pAlf2YM+ivOupOoe843AzNYVVKedfo0BvPdkVt0Yme3Ays aUO3Z5P8wRLa+kYGkIMe34vWHchhj+adJ+nWsp2rZdXwhOltZgssUr6wqFYLuOhs wUIT9zYi3YsN6ce/J0skuQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RJrN4Lq+ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=83sKN6Zl7IuxNZWA8nrnjA==:117 a=83sKN6Zl7IuxNZWA8nrnjA==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=MeAgGD-zjQ4A:10 a=P7xTaY_ng_sA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=DjmawdlsAAAA:8 a=zMjvC_HS6O67kqtadD0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=a17Yps4rhQQA:10 a=rUvehrzOoiGVOUoO9q0A:9 a=-NKBMBxa8YvAhhXG:21 a=4D3iHrkJrtfEIdIv:21 a=0CPTi5TLpEzpekBD:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=9WNRskb1zeeanTosM84Z:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=xoEH_sTeL_Rfw54TyV31:22 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: Z2xlbm5lcnZpbkBjYWJsZW9uZS5uZXQ= Authentication-Results: smtp01.lapis.bos.sync.lan smtp.user=glennervin; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [160.3.126.27] ([160.3.126.27:57114] helo=NUCPPYH) by mail.cableone.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) id 63/25-22628-FE9CADD5; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:20:31 -0500 Message-ID: <006a01d5a2f3$e167b340$0400a8c0@NUCPPYH> Reply-To: "Glenn N0YJV :\)" From: "Glenn N0YJV :\)" To: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:20:26 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01D5A2C1.8DC2A830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: [orca-list] ReactOS X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:40:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01D5A2C1.8DC2A830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Has anyone here ever tried React OS? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/05/reactos_hits_0411/ I'm wondering if it ships with Orca, and if Jaws or NVDA can run on it. 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Hi,
Has anyone here ever tried React = OS?
http= s://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/05/reactos_hits_0411/
I'm wondering if it ships with Orca, = and if Jaws or=20 NVDA can run on it.
Glenn
 
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X-ONET_PL-MDA-SEGREGATION: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:48:45 -0000 note that reactos is a try to make something like opensource windows, if I remember right. Ofc if jaws/nvda can run on it is not known to me. W dniu 24.11.2019 o19:20, Glenn N0YJV :) pisze: > Hi, > Has anyone here ever tried React OS? > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/05/reactos_hits_0411/ > I'm wondering if it ships with Orca, and if Jaws or NVDA can run on it. > Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Sun Nov 24 21:16:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8261F760FC for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 21:16:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mNYcWTo9r_qi for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 21:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ed1-f48.google.com (mail-ed1-f48.google.com [209.85.208.48]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 451E4760A6 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 21:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f48.google.com with SMTP id s10so10709320edi.5 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:16:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=f0F0uH1AUAVn1fD5CH+l89pC6oKPJtydftwEPxdr+pw=; b=s2mPPOFJ+gBXHYYgu5mz52JSzwsIZEznisAb/eQypFrnjuYKum4gYMgIXURtha60m4 vSE6a+MLAQo1DcFIdWZg298sRhmxtmcnVe1maB+e4zTWXhLDYtXr4c9ziYHpTMc02U5P VHd6+LaCNsGRqL/3uQTR9Ylwktd2k4Mwr51fCRT07pBMwUii+ny4GWAl+/BolakZGBFv pRgVMvgkxOsTvC1t+/Tlwtlvps0xF8rukjDd6eHT9NcKyN5bW8vp7e38cBaKG7U/nggK g9YrgvEdDslQVcpw2DXjB+VPobGHgnWIPMCbtAjC6dHhtNu6aVHCNk2b4Bx9wvwfEGWA Jp7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=f0F0uH1AUAVn1fD5CH+l89pC6oKPJtydftwEPxdr+pw=; b=SC7uRERQAibnV40sZIDI+NPXmQN+imeROHmCXdOnmCx+LQmxZUeX7SFLClCHd9RM+s u21XNF7Vy3zamDmHDbGpjifYcDa04R8t4XOOEmEjWtC+qMv4lAo2fcx3vsOCjSTYLGxH kERDC4/mLQBnzhdos9oY49G1eawSgvOU7ufquAn5o3a9+QOu0xueEIzYd0JkQ6TijpTq MZO7SJLnZFObhSGoDFJO2/qsw+f4LPALPcn91K1xegl/1wn1gatU4DzMGZwq9IDXUBDO pepFZ0qcHRPIQPx3FU+gMdUl5Y2N84J8PeMxIMssiAuZvnCROJ3JAMwMWOg7MD/q/wKE Qpdg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXVDb8/SvQgf2XXHxHZCjxxynJaspyudQnE+DIznaqu9GteB6Hu yiAcXeDouHgXWakzR22Y9hQtE71V X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxxwX4U4UvYQTvB96Ir/JE+hC0owAGUq5uXz8Gt8KFdntmv/e2VlO6W/YxOv1nEf0VmelUbZQ== X-Received: by 2002:a50:c30a:: with SMTP id a10mr14846217edb.281.1574630216517; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from xu4.kyle.tk (2606-a000-111a-8d0a-0000-0000-0000-0f17.inf6.spectrum.com. [2606:a000:111a:8d0a::f17]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e13sm176558edv.42.2019.11.24.13.16.55 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:16:56 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <006a01d5a2f3$e167b340$0400a8c0@NUCPPYH> From: Kyle Message-ID: <789ea07b-6117-57d5-6213-a0114b5e4bf6@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:16:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux armv7l; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <006a01d5a2f3$e167b340$0400a8c0@NUCPPYH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 21:16:50 -0000 I did try ReactOS some time back. I do know that it won't ship with Orca, as it's not Linux/Unix, so at-spi and other API's Orca relies on won't be present on the system. As for NVDA, it was some years ago when I tried it, and NVDA at that time was unusable. I couldn't even get a startup sound. That said, it may work now, though I don't think I have the necessary hardware to try it, since it relies on x86 hardware and I have all ARM machines at this point. ReactOS does seem to experience periods of heavy development and periods of slow development, so there's no telling really how well it will work with NVDA now. Jaws is a whole nother kettle of fish, so I can't even begin to speculate whether or not it works on ReactOS. My recommendation would be to try NVDA again and hope they have been able to duplicate the API's necessary to make it work at least partially. Imetumwa kutoka nyumbani From aarnaud@hypra.fr Mon Nov 25 16:31:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492657612D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:31:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zeM8mGZgMHfD for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 162147610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D1F65833C9 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:31:16 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574699476; bh=BqkTja8GXbq45KD1kz+JYrXEIO55y7ZmBVVKMOu1XGo=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=gBm0J9advqD4lYDSpxC2j9hyQAkizQM0LMtsYe9lVxPZGxkeBsEbpd8+wZtt8Hyfy Wp/yX7NGrpgY0E6kjx42m0YhX1AEp5jlv1IW9sbL7sgaRunq5q8aXm0D0cHX1golGj zKlthvdiohFOzaEWolrQ+5HZxxtHfEZMBqsfEqPI= To: Orca List From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <92a77247-f62b-3dd6-e2b5-7f6d9b2f15e4@hypra.fr> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:31:15 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7B1C2D59DA9A548543F5784E" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: [orca-list] Orca doesn't read label associated with some links whereas ChromeVox does X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:31:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7B1C2D59DA9A548543F5784E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Environment: - Debian 9 "Stretch" - Orca master - Firefox Nightly Steps to reproduce: 1) Open this page: https://www.nextinpact.com/news/108441-assange-espionne-jusque-dans-toilettes-pour-femmes.htm 2) Read the line with the link to share on Twitter Facebook etc Result: Orca says "10 minutes link link link" Result with ChromeVox: ChromeVox says the label associated with each links. I'm not sure if you're aware but you can install ChromeVox on top of Google Chrome with an extension , you don't need to have ChromeOS. Best regards. --------------7B1C2D59DA9A548543F5784E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

Environment:
- Debian 9 "Stretch"
- Orca master
- Firefox Nightly

Steps to reproduce:
1) Open this page: https://www.nextinpact.com/news/108441-assange-espionne-jusque-dans-toilettes-pour-femmes.htm
2) Read the line with the link to share on Twitter Facebook etc

Result:
Orca says "10 minutes link link link"

Result with ChromeVox:
ChromeVox says the label associated with each links.

I'm not sure if you're aware but you can install ChromeVox on top of Google Chrome with an extension, you don't need to have ChromeOS.

Best regards.
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([2a04:b2c2:1815:d800:e9ca:f129:729c:6cf6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x8sm8781747wmi.10.2019.11.25.08.32.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jace Kattalakis X-Google-Original-From: Jace Kattalakis To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> <1ac4597c-955a-4b46-fa9d-cea2528d340c@jasonjgw.net> Message-ID: <506d57ab-d212-0435-219d-052cdbf26b27@GMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:32:27 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1ac4597c-955a-4b46-fa9d-cea2528d340c@jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:32:23 -0000 Also echoing Janina's comments, it's awesome. Can't wait for it to work with Chrome/Chromium out the box so a simple sudo apt install and start is all that's needed So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive vs FF personally. On 23/11/2019 20:57, Jason White via orca-list wrote: > I would like to echo Janina's comments. I just installed it, and it > worked as soon as I set the ACCESSIBILITY_ENABLED=1 environment > variable, which was not set by default. > > > Performance is excellent. However, it's a fast machine, so I wouldn't > notice as much as Janina does. > > > On 11/23/19 3:12 PM, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote: >> Oh my. A whole year? Well why not. This is seriously impressive stuff. >> You deserve it! >> >> Janina >> >> Joanmarie Diggs writes: >>> Thanks Janina! >>> >>> Your message made my day -- and quite possibly my year. :) >>> >>> --joanie >>> >>> On 11/23/19 1:50 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: >>>> Joanie: >>>> >>>> I've played with it for 5 minutes and I'm blown away. I just booked my >>>> paratransit ride for tomorrow, logged into my Google Calendar, that's >>>> about it so far. >>>> >>>> It's so fast! >>>> >>>> I'd swear it's faster than any browser on any OS, and I've got a >>>> few OS >>>> hanging around here, all pretty current stuff. >>>> >>>> If truth be told, My Linux machine is my oldest computer, 2012 >>>> vintage. >>>> But Chromium plus Orca is faster than anything on Mac or Windows, and >>>> those are newer machines. >>>> >>>> Just my two cents (American). Thank you for this awesome gift. >>>> >>>> Janina >>>> >>>> Joanmarie Diggs writes: >>>>> Hey all. >>>>> >>>>> There are still some significant issues that need to be fixed in >>>>> Chromium/Chrome. But enough people have been asking me about >>>>> testing, so I >>>>> wrote up a wiki page for people who are going to test even though >>>>> I keep >>>>> saying we're not quite ready. >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >>>>> >>>>> As you'll see there, you need the very latest Orca from master and a >>>>> super-recent version of Chrome/Chromium. You'll need some command >>>>> line >>>>> switches too. I've also summarized some key known issues at the >>>>> bottom of >>>>> that page. >>>>> >>>>> Lastly, as you'll see on that page, you are *strongly* encouraged to >>>>> double-check that the Chrome/Chromium issue you are about to >>>>> report to me is >>>>> not an issue in Firefox. If it's an issue in both, I should >>>>> address it, but >>>>> we want to get Chrome/Chromium ready for all Orca users to try, >>>>> and that >>>>> means focusing the time I have on Chrome/Chromium. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> --joanie >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From aarnaud@hypra.fr Mon Nov 25 16:42:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34D77612C for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uuaYHLPoqWgH for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28E2A7610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A2115833C9 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:42:24 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574700144; bh=gP7J9pPvguaOfyw2f7g9dKjWZiLDI5sJNpM8ibt2NLk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=SmjQraMipluFRFRQ3t7TG3I87G+P8FHJ96nkZlneWtj0/Lzey42wjjwR3RrUVYPhz Pux204mi/aI38OR4WtTc8BrMetmx/ENFAdq6NcWeERnANOmaGx68N2WKmo+b9y6yG5 ZO9MA4S/ZQ4uG0EcvzDYunvdZ0UP44GcYHRy3R3s= To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> <1ac4597c-955a-4b46-fa9d-cea2528d340c@jasonjgw.net> <506d57ab-d212-0435-219d-052cdbf26b27@GMAIL.COM> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:42:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <506d57ab-d212-0435-219d-052cdbf26b27@GMAIL.COM> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2D56475703FD004CEFC5EB92" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:42:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2D56475703FD004CEFC5EB92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit : > So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very > latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it > seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive vs > FF personally. It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I assume every week. Best regards. --------------2D56475703FD004CEFC5EB92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit :
So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive vs FF personally.
It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I assume every week.

Best regards.
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Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chrome-unstable It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if this is me using the Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest and not doing a git pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I seem to be unable to get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut. Is that fixed and I merely need to update things, or? On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit : >> So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very >> latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it >> seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive >> vs FF personally. > It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I > assume every week. > > Best regards. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------B30973CA53152E3C532E8F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

That's the one I used, since I got the .deb and it said install via a channel. Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chrome-unstable

It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if this is me using the Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest and not doing a git pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I seem to be unable to get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut.

Is that fixed and I merely need to update things, or?

On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit :
So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive vs FF personally.
It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I assume every week.

Best regards.

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--------------B30973CA53152E3C532E8F90-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Mon Nov 25 17:15:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387257613D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IewptO3d9Vvl for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A71A07610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:13 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=92JC8HeiWvh0NPI8p3gDj95MkttLNGZy+QjceAgUddA=; b=Q494dh6eRDgwLaRMklMAbU15EprpS6pFOV/yE9LINaRgNYh9ZmYIJkLOjkrFKx+hHpCNwWTXOFxm761tiUoVtU2WL4760vuRvbvyze/3K6zGPtcN72PtC9zWeFYfwqRy86+AQjKrcpBG2rdAkQJXJGNlkCVzoJO0bf1vu45cctXyIyqgSswy7orOwjJG/j69qNVIphWpw5dVatrsBTDUwN1Dyj9cQVV0Cv+nqtH7/bfWYMUhOU9Hs6YkxjiAOtIyZ/QQ2iWyT0AwVLaS+9tmMAz9IPsb0gZzVffxFKp5pxyF+qAPD8asyG1PtPnhEEe4yB5ejJZAhejvRXQF5OmxbA==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iZHxI-0002ym-Ns for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:15:20 +0100 To: orca From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:15:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:16 -0000 Hey all. Igalia gives its employees a rather generous number of vacation days, and expects us to take them. In fact, failure to take them is a no-no because we take our "equal work for equal pay" policy quite seriously. I've been a bad American. As a result, I have to take quite a bit of time off between now and the end of the year. I will still be checking email, and if anything is on fire, then I'll work on it ASAP. Lower-priority, not-on-fire issues may need to wait until mid December or early January. Hopefully you will all be enjoying your own holidays and therefore not notice my absence. Sending this just in case. Take care. --joanie From aarnaud@hypra.fr Mon Nov 25 17:18:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1763A7613D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:18:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aqSwNYAqmT6E for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2035A7610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.47] (82-64-135-145.subs.proxad.net [82.64.135.145]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A7965833C9 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:18:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574702305; bh=q9l9K5Ze+4MQCmZ39TLbz1HUA5Pv4kQfEDbHnKwv04o=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=HA9FNPuQzGpYZEiCZn+3KYXyoVQ+DxQIQs2jXlu9pgrBft/TwsU1qMHcDBiQzG5/M TOSmoKV0wbuEBcrOchPNCmfay9G9bL4TiMzipYdmpvrTlvLEjVYCMMNAluFBRfVfuh wRMa30ywFmdNAbYFda1e6g9wtSJuHZdkbvDL/Wh8= To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> <1ac4597c-955a-4b46-fa9d-cea2528d340c@jasonjgw.net> <506d57ab-d212-0435-219d-052cdbf26b27@GMAIL.COM> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <78e1586d-11d8-e3b2-6ab6-f207af88e5fc@hypra.fr> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:18:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CC773056FF7E80668CCF29DA" Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:18:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CC773056FF7E80668CCF29DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just to clarify Jace, when you've installed the deb from the Google Chrome website it has added the Google Debian repository on your system. Best regards. Le 25/11/2019 à 18:08, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit : > > That's the one I used, since I got the .deb and it said install via a > channel. Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chrome-unstable > > It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if this is me > using the Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest and > not doing a git pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I > seem to be unable to get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut. > > Is that fixed and I merely need to update things, or? > > On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >> Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit : >>> So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the >>> very latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but >>> it seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and >>> responsive vs FF personally. >> It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I >> assume every week. >> >> Best regards. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --------------CC773056FF7E80668CCF29DA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just to clarify Jace, when you've installed the deb from the Google Chrome website it has added the Google Debian repository on your system.

Best regards.

Le 25/11/2019 à 18:08, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit :

That's the one I used, since I got the .deb and it said install via a channel. Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chrome-unstable

It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if this is me using the Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest and not doing a git pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I seem to be unable to get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut.

Is that fixed and I merely need to update things, or?

On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:
Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit :
So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive vs FF personally.
It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I assume every week.

Best regards.

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--------------CC773056FF7E80668CCF29DA-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Mon Nov 25 17:24:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636F76170 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3RrLzOhXcRjz for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B0F67612D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:24:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=agwjhD/49eLaXEURJI3sbYEPb0GI1JUUlHsRDF9pqEY=; b=OFZ3k4bb96Zmero9u6kYKfa09y5e5/MQfS32ctVvzuw8xC/6CHp6sXDGERrzANcEenokEIQ+NXAJKoGySKe4A1Jw6jA2r9xOEAC5yvrPtxhKjb73GOUYegxiA9/SmgABgJ4C9ppBgKshdKttC4gv1gUQjudtb7W/+ZTJ3PEb7JiEKvY6AgrRBiN7kT0Bx/uTzl/2ngK41y7z9HrMcvh36ifZmOgQh6XYkJd46Bw0lBWvgT31tpDveQu6NMXkKvWgHRcJV9phCmJpXHhGShA3K94g3nVBIM3812h65Gj83gtJXI4ugml078UoMoDGq53msRSPmslGdQ4tiS6iS/WOxg==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iZI6b-0003i6-EO; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:24:57 +0100 To: Jace Kattalakis , orca-list@gnome.org References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> <1ac4597c-955a-4b46-fa9d-cea2528d340c@jasonjgw.net> <506d57ab-d212-0435-219d-052cdbf26b27@GMAIL.COM> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:24:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:24:51 -0000 If you mean the menu that pops up when you do Alt+F, yes, that works as expected for me. --joanie On 11/25/19 12:08 PM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote: > That's the one I used, since I got the .deb and it said install via a > channel. Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chrome-unstable > > It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if this is me using > the Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest and not > doing a git pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I seem > to be unable to get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut. > > Is that fixed and I merely need to update things, or? > > On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: >> Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit : >>> So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very >>> latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it >>> seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive >>> vs FF personally. >> It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I >> assume every week. >> >> Best regards. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From sthibault@hypra.fr Mon Nov 25 17:25:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD4F76170 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:25:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.602 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0yFQOXWQeUx9 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81EE07612D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from function (unknown [193.50.111.121]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DAC45833C9; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:25:21 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1574702721; bh=JLBp68eEBySPGKmkZ20ey2b/L9ickEHNkf3R5BkYVYA=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=a727mmCAI5RWr2jfCUEr7xZ9xlPdovdyN1/Fm5VO0gvIliYBbnjfy7msjA9wSaThA UvkNMTquxoqg433TGWbFiycfCOJTnsr4ngWipZad+ZKnJ81UMPAe+lX21eppRFkDNf ckvi0HNZYqYc5eW/0xFv0Ke0YPLo3ugD3ePJi10Y= Received: from samy by function with local (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1iZI6s-002lov-P4; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:25:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:25:14 +0100 From: Samuel Thibault To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: orca Message-ID: <20191125172514.q6mvkc6lysdipq33@function> References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> Organization: I am not organized User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170609 (1.8.3) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:25:15 -0000 Heya, Have a good rest, you deserve it! :) Samuel From janusz.chmiel@volny.cz Mon Nov 25 17:27:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FDB7615A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:27:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.149 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.149 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=1.25, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bi4lXUgeXdw3 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:27:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 424 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:27:53 UTC Received: from gmmr2.centrum.cz (gmmr2.centrum.cz [46.255.227.252]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AAEC76159 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gm-as1.cent (unknown [10.255.254.34]) by gmmr2.centrum.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC156000201 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:20:55 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=volny.cz; s=mail; t=1574702455; bh=d4E9X3/X6Powq9nD/DZvKnltG9Svgfk9evqxlb5RGf0=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From; b=E4Zw1OJ820siiRlQ5Jh17h6CQeljMP9+Foe+KVMkJHe+f8ZnJqOP1S2j8O1dVa2YS zwRvQtsOJIGZFxb/VzSHXGO2D7eR/AVyQb9CxNBs957b/BWcGsyI4WCRT/Jt/pQR5U 7Q5HltYT1r2rJ9thVzBZYNdoRwE//LHUXdPdCJzE= Received: by gm-as1.cent (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6ABF14800083; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:20:55 +0100 (CET) X-Original-From: janusz.chmiel@volny.cz X-Envelope-To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Original-IP: 85.70.144.247 Received: from DESKTOPN6LG1HQ (unknown [85.70.144.247]) by gm-smtp5.centrum.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPX id A9FA28405BE3; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:20:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <9AEB001B77B240A7A8A75761064AD524@DESKTOPN6LG1HQ> From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "orca" , "Joanmarie Diggs" References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> In-Reply-To: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:20:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:27:54 -0000 Dear Joanie, I wish you nice wacation. You have made many many new functions on Orca, including Google Chrome support. Orca can be evn used on Rasberry devices and also on ARM architectures, which uses Android shared with Linux by using Proot and other techniques. In fact, Orca becomes almost universal screen reader for several platforms. So good wacation. From milton@duurzaamdigitaal.org Mon Nov 25 18:24:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2822E76158 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:24:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GsQ9JbwqC1Yo for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web0112.zxcs.nl (web0112.zxcs.nl [185.104.29.68]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F18C7610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:24:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=duurzaamdigitaal.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AXexPgZ9geO5N/jlDsuLi14cmjJfkUbS4JmEym+ZMXk=; b=gHAvyQ0hzAg8SZ0u+ffy+gdZlg I8VwnUpV/plVFmNWEDDOAvKZiOwUk3Z3DMV1Dvs2lBId3yJlKPGn9Rh4dQFLIZyK768HUTTvmyCEZ hl8beCxW4gY2anOAisOTala6T7zRS/fOCOrMznBZjc1fCtEeVuNfxRJjjOc8iS6W/nHJZy58dL9/0 QgHnNLOU9MZwWJ5pfS9QWLPVb0Krc1Fhr8JdpivN20c9k+sPRM+xn51YYXoKlM8B9VtCB7F/0Yjlo +mWwSsmYEgdjixMele8czCyiQ1PmvZPoH4EPGhzescAr9VMdNoI+G0lJM/7TthJDPb7z0xuFZFgfk 26dkzthg==; Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl ([87.209.80.208]:50804 helo=[192.168.1.6]) by web0112.zxcs.nl with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1iZJ2J-004HV3-AI; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:24:35 +0100 To: Joanmarie Diggs , orca References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> From: Milton Message-ID: <4a8571d1-1386-7039-44d8-33181b9bac10@duurzaamdigitaal.org> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:24:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: nl-BE X-Authenticated-Id: milton@kleinbedrijf.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:24:29 -0000 Have a good time and enjoy what's left of the year! Milton Op 25-11-19 om 18:15 schreef Joanmarie Diggs: > Hey all. > > Igalia gives its employees a rather generous number of vacation days, > and expects us to take them. In fact, failure to take them is a no-no > because we take our "equal work for equal pay" policy quite seriously. > I've been a bad American. As a result, I have to take quite a bit of > time off between now and the end of the year. > > I will still be checking email, and if anything is on fire, then I'll > work on it ASAP. Lower-priority, not-on-fire issues may need to wait > until mid December or early January. > > Hopefully you will all be enjoying your own holidays and therefore not > notice my absence. Sending this just in case. > > Take care. > --joanie > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Nov 25 18:26:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15B37610B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:26:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kaRY2sNUw7BH for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qv1-f46.google.com (mail-qv1-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6E8D7610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qv1-f46.google.com with SMTP id q19so6146828qvs.5 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:26:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=cf3r0ZBOo9fRc5VZvS4yRqpIK3ufOm0ye/3uOCkIYoY=; b=YTes052FX/VZspnUoG1Syi6I76D+tdagR84ok/OOhlyr9SnjLLGoIls3fWbRfDavhB GKuH3LDHOLdYBxLwA8jwQgES5rheYaWV4tJkeYnDner64Utq/Cs6UqoYTINFFhr7jgMC uoJpDgnY2BgnnXF6tCCjTG2I+yVoNdFlGx2ptNI9UWwyM63XUDidPCv3ONB1A7J95cGY RtHzI6JHxNLfGCU9ZrU0VIdhmMN9K4lkSjurlUHg/R2pcEchSdZuWe7Yc+0yFyh2ltu0 JPYSgJti7Guq8Pat6oC5m8gNnlbz73Y9UkReWd6H10TjTM/3tH4LHThTh62pdGGzl0OO +ilw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=cf3r0ZBOo9fRc5VZvS4yRqpIK3ufOm0ye/3uOCkIYoY=; b=pSq92acuTc/BPP93KgNJOGYYUlnsXtZA8lrlYWH3e2Quvsbxp3XM9Xv6ygN3Nwemjb KR3Qj1+M89mThqBqiN6KMxnTCMly0l0wagb1SB4WDOTKXNso2xOsDrsCjJtwBHf9AjgN 2ZgHS4QfxFaYodFnkjcLi6LhkrldVjJE9G7NeGNVKRBft1dhaGT4F7eUxS59cBzRVu0a mp34oUQMm0vv0GSCGBl20LnYb1H8gl1JIJIfdZ9MN5t7RQWca1Ry02fPfgbVSV5FJdgh QGvglsVc5tYQUpX8PUTSkJDQWJUpikUwEueZErKRnoTjOjPfrBfr4pCUc8QTcvVolAjE BFmw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX2lHZU/zwPEpeQueM7J0SjaRvhUZP9rRDyZv4yf2H3l99fIOdE oZFCT4bS2RNljHyLyhGYUTVVpTrwb71Xeg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw4wpvfXqrdLppKmYqVZdsEbqYrriCXalUycr2s58rPR0sdwp2+pjli6Pe6RnuIGK0XbYJX7g== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:c125:: with SMTP id f34mr17126864qvh.22.1574706394032; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.64] ([189.60.3.200]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f5sm3706435qkl.85.2019.11.25.10.26.32 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:26:33 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , orca References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Message-ID: <605df2e2-bf44-f295-fc27-feaa208efdf1@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:26:30 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:26:28 -0000 Hi Joanie. Wish you have a great vacation. I would like to say that you probably do not imagine how much your work has facilitated my work. Thank you so much. On 11/25/19 2:15 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey all. > > Igalia gives its employees a rather generous number of vacation days, > and expects us to take them. In fact, failure to take them is a no-no > because we take our "equal work for equal pay" policy quite seriously. > I've been a bad American. As a result, I have to take quite a bit of > time off between now and the end of the year. > > I will still be checking email, and if anything is on fire, then I'll > work on it ASAP. Lower-priority, not-on-fire issues may need to wait > until mid December or early January. > > Hopefully you will all be enjoying your own holidays and therefore not > notice my absence. Sending this just in case. > > Take care. > --joanie > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 25 18:47:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB457610B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:47:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SU6ChUfIMduj for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5484F7610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448477803A9; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:48:03 +0100 (CET) To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> Cc: orca From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <639a603e-5fe1-c3dc-51ab-95764d73e06d@slint.fr> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:48:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:47:58 -0000 Bonnes vacances, bien méritées! Le 25/11/19 à 18:15, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > Hey all. > > Igalia gives its employees a rather generous number of vacation days, and expects us to take them. In fact, failure to take them is a no-no because we take our "equal work for equal pay" policy quite seriously. I've been a bad American. As a result, I have to take quite a bit of time off between now and the end of the year. > > I will still be checking email, and if anything is on fire, then I'll work on it ASAP. Lower-priority, not-on-fire issues may need to wait until mid December or early January. > > Hopefully you will all be enjoying your own holidays and therefore not notice my absence. Sending this just in case. > > Take care. > --joanie From mhussaincov93@gmail.com Mon Nov 25 19:07:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A637610B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:07:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j8Szg5njMGZD for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com (mail-ed1-f42.google.com [209.85.208.42]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BD077610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id w6so13739620edx.10 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:07:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HN1gt69CODmxxapIf79HEZheSRJNsBC38TOXHtefRhg=; b=vESG+ZAizkrZICQIX6onpq1WgP8xBClUVtqvIeR68V28GDVUAFQ/8o8VZHL/TCxaLv B3OZl9EMJq2qwbMPgv5d+8FC9+hOK/XudhNYNSPLiJipfpTPQML5NX/ambYhn7mAMta0 ovatM7YEwHb0T8KUlqKTUGMChzZphwbkY9+2TRLc76WkMQylDY46KEuzShMDUuNA+Zh+ UB7ANK5KjCfeiFAKTJOjKJnks0pDHNO8dc7NNEr/gxJAAus6PLGvjIvVNnD8LCle+Zve Q/vAxdqC2+6qiLGVJeA3/QoyrAlbmT9JP2CTpIwCCkGW7eUYVS0EKUOZefYpuX40kZMs n2aQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HN1gt69CODmxxapIf79HEZheSRJNsBC38TOXHtefRhg=; b=hR/bLYC7rcOIpHtBSevMOhEJog4MPIKGyI8FvZdNJhcYIXpI+0+b3nPrVJzzcH6MYW rjoFtV+eaS+K78lzsgJv7YNI2w4RJfPhXz02lHKpDa6eHjOBX2SZECuXCC0Q0SnlJago T9G2FWSWOFOPy3pXyra36xEa+YFioJYsU1gpJjurrDFos+kN42u0qonxRIiBilABKP+r IcXN9tfqBD7G8MExlZl/BFhwDHRfkNMp2f1GahAzvkabMP/tr7VAh4oAvBhk73x3af2H tkxVHCMLMfj7TWXjf+mfO5c4XawonZ69bjdFVfMGWMHwk2b8OVBNRne6s8rM1o73GBSh K/PA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU80rXZ8Xsx0sys8uJYFKLVE7jVQ7di7mEqokmCt6RKBsE1doMz 4aQilsvT97RhBxt+VPfSN3cFLLYwBeMyHhwrHgR8Cjc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqySjCcF3y592bgsSV96FSzpDmZhiq00eSM9kYWpF67Lini259M0RnqVR0fHsFz5Hb060Apa0o55UBY4nA9fWMQ= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:c694:: with SMTP id n20mr20552530edq.87.1574708846464; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:07:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a17:906:34da:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:07:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9AEB001B77B240A7A8A75761064AD524@DESKTOPN6LG1HQ> References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> <9AEB001B77B240A7A8A75761064AD524@DESKTOPN6LG1HQ> From: Majid Hussain Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:07:26 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Cc: orca , Joanmarie Diggs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:07:20 -0000 I hope you enjoy your time off, and let me be the first to wish you and yours a merry christmas! I hope you have a safe time with your holidays. a question, what would be classed as on fire issues, and ones that you will get back to on your return? it's good to know, enjoy your well deserved holiday! Majid On 25/11/2019, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel via orca-list wrote: > Dear Joanie, > I wish you nice wacation. You have made many many new functions on Orca, > > including Google Chrome support. Orca can be evn used on Rasberry devices > and also on ARM architectures, which uses Android shared with Linux by using > > Proot and other techniques. In fact, Orca becomes almost universal screen > reader for several platforms. > So good wacation. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > -- kind regards, Majid Hussain From victorelawrence@gmail.com Mon Nov 25 19:08:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7627610B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:08:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=1.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mZJijSxB4R_f for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf1-f174.google.com (mail-pf1-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B65437610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf1-f174.google.com with SMTP id x28so7826149pfo.6 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:09:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=7ugTFR/s3TQ6gR9ruQ+a9iZct7BlqnITLDcy2FCFLfY=; b=nkESiD3ncaqCHeHa5+5UpJduEkGhWQtB6cLnrSAcFP8ZCNqIluD7SnX+S66q36HJlI wV8/eovx/puUO+SMcteSzWoetVRHxCdwEmhinqoAIHOVher8obX+eOBIyBp3WPp4/zkQ TpGU6PMO/8Z1eURoGEj+TU6lhakqLU/TeNtELkR+JdOaFgTpu4Cm/LTDHOs8wmiLZdS7 NFf1MgNI3758N20+jMhs1V0lWvicCdoXLbJ39dt0ZM/45JSZSjX5yhOs+L4QWLOlcw42 Rd/PAS52AxXrKc5Dboe7jTmjjgKqghXWSFv8OUzUkc5FhOpgwGHduf0bsp/mS537Uk/a /AAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=7ugTFR/s3TQ6gR9ruQ+a9iZct7BlqnITLDcy2FCFLfY=; b=SldjusDJW4o7rMKObVyknPFGZXeHfYql67a7EDgASTTcuSWX3tMXBZfTQTngTI3Zkn iHEWCHfbBClsL1eUxSorTE2fil3gEtTQg3ZKJehmds0xJGchzYpe82tnM1+gvwrQtpSr Hz2WQLXBhwaKAUqON+oIsD/1r43MyipTa69NVISDwxjSaWC+5Jj8R/9qZl3orD/U/MDn c6vJtLGxWxurCrnbE7umAq4gwtZw7kA2PmRarvoHhm4HXgm66bLRZpBLC1sUvOpZiH61 LAA7fxvKFtZ69ZGwLnbjNsr1+06OJ5n4JnrfjgmAGvcb1TNpGLFPRZV7v5HCdgIoh6Yn Qd8A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVuUS8gPZStKq2KGsYGawjpaPDyVqu3TAx4r1mT9jlNNsANC1Ux MmAhBVRuXtDYv0xHH8vDLJc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqydwv9wnN9ig5PDwjAof6PlgoxpN8Z7zNqch9NBMVjaKzApizFUt6hEiCrCE3fhy/mf+bZCvg== X-Received: by 2002:a62:1951:: with SMTP id 78mr36360228pfz.257.1574708941089; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (47-33-62-147.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com. [47.33.62.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l18sm9196693pff.79.2019.11.25.11.09.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:09:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Victor Lawrence In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:08:59 -0800 Cc: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" , Joanmarie Diggs , orca Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7D827C04-0A88-4785-B44B-653DA0AA9C1C@gmail.com> References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> <9AEB001B77B240A7A8A75761064AD524@DESKTOPN6LG1HQ> To: Majid Hussain X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:08:54 -0000 Enjoy your time off. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas! Victor > On Nov 25, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Majid Hussain via orca-list = wrote: >=20 > I hope you enjoy your time off, and let me be the first to wish you > and yours a merry christmas! > I hope you have a safe time with your holidays. > a question, what would be classed as on fire issues, and ones that you > will get back to on your return? > it's good to know, > enjoy your well deserved holiday! > Majid >=20 > On 25/11/2019, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel via orca-list = wrote: >> Dear Joanie, >> I wish you nice wacation. You have made many many new functions on = Orca, >>=20 >> including Google Chrome support. Orca can be evn used on Rasberry = devices >> and also on ARM architectures, which uses Android shared with Linux = by using >>=20 >> Proot and other techniques. In fact, Orca becomes almost universal = screen >> reader for several platforms. >> So good wacation. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > kind regards, > Majid Hussain > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Mon Nov 25 19:33:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E7E7610A for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:33:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HiH2tQKNn_sa for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 552FC76107 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:33:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=y/a0V4fG6zcZB7LBi6CEEKuCZ0xX6t6x1iOb3NEhCmg=; b=YJcgGS9SJ0P8sXVO1ofHchTWOk5GAZtgBVil9xMwMgAw+rMVxAauEY/+mzxIq22SL6iIV6K1vd7kR5fYeK5QtK4n6F10pu0NF7F9hnGoWxiGAgJmgMVwqMX07JYxjWCQuI+mTelxC/p1I4YC3x1LO9TZH9Ymi4lI3EcGFPjJAuC4PvyhKn+k1v3v9r1rEALKs1c5Z0OgQfPPctsiptzcCp1WY+82ImHURDPakaSo5/4VNqS9v3k7uaiUwZ+a/Pc53XqnIqCTm1FCovfXCN1D1KgFQeBteikg5uWtxSACPNzE7U6OCjhl35VID8bzJfsalA295EVSVA7DhA2quhHj7A==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.103]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iZK6f-0005Qj-AE; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:33:09 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <92a77247-f62b-3dd6-e2b5-7f6d9b2f15e4@hypra.fr> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <7afbfa9a-2503-20b5-5bab-2546f2896610@igalia.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:33:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <92a77247-f62b-3dd6-e2b5-7f6d9b2f15e4@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca doesn't read label associated with some links whereas ChromeVox does X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:33:06 -0000 Confirmed. Will take care of it. Thanks! --joanie On 11/25/19 11:31, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > Hello, > > Environment: > - Debian 9 "Stretch" > - Orca master > - Firefox Nightly > > Steps to reproduce: > 1) Open this page: > https://www.nextinpact.com/news/108441-assange-espionne-jusque-dans-toilettes-pour-femmes.htm > > 2) Read the line with the link to share on Twitter Facebook etc > > Result: > Orca says "10 minutes link link link" > > Result with ChromeVox: > ChromeVox says the label associated with each links. > > I'm not sure if you're aware but you can install ChromeVox on top of > Google Chrome with an extension > , > you don't need to have ChromeOS. > > Best regards. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > From covici@ccs.covici.com Mon Nov 25 22:16:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4C37610B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:16:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NCK1XaWraLcm for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from covici.com (debian-2.covici.com [172.104.21.222]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6132276107 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (ccs.covici.com [70.109.53.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id xAPMFN2b007288 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:44 -0500 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xAPMFBcO1992196 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:11 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id xAPMF8BN1992194; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Vilmar =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Est=E1cio?= de Souza Cc: Joanmarie Diggs , orca In-Reply-To: <605df2e2-bf44-f295-fc27-feaa208efdf1@informal.com.br> References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> <605df2e2-bf44-f295-fc27-feaa208efdf1@informal.com.br> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:16:19 -0000 Absolutely! You do great work. On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 13:26:30 -0500, Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza wrote: >=20 > Hi Joanie. >=20 >=20 > Wish you have a great vacation. I would like to say that you > probably do not imagine how much your work has facilitated my > work. Thank you so much. >=20 >=20 > On 11/25/19 2:15 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > Hey all. > >=20 > > Igalia gives its employees a rather generous number of vacation > > days, and expects us to take them. In fact, failure to take > > them is a no-no because we take our "equal work for equal pay" > > policy quite seriously. I've been a bad American. As a result, > > I have to take quite a bit of time off between now and the end > > of the year. > >=20 > > I will still be checking email, and if anything is on fire, > > then I'll work on it ASAP. Lower-priority, not-on-fire issues > > may need to wait until mid December or early January. > >=20 > > Hopefully you will all be enjoying your own holidays and > > therefore not notice my absence. Sending this just in case. > >=20 > > Take care. > > --joanie > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html >=20 --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Nov 26 00:36:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7175C76113 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:36:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.099 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Iw4BHLd_X2Z for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F34017610F for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.243] (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c380:11f6:81b7:9cc7:72a:357e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFBEB32039; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:36:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1574728584; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=aFPW3KSc3+Zjeeq7e06vipwmX4smzQeQTB1paRFB1hw=; b=PjUG0q9FcdjKJWEcSkY38oWvLqI6fECeUGpl7in/bAKJ+87l0rkyCuiPReB2X4ggktJCqq Pz/4iFAzm7QkbFSpzoep24qgGyL/mS3RuT+DI3J59LFHlDddlt2jLO0G+a/jU9Na8eiQyc bH6fNKr2wMoALbN4geGijhrzybkNIvo= User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.1f.0.191110 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:36:22 -0500 From: Jason White To: Jace Kattalakis , Message-ID: <69A74B3D-1167-4EE6-A652-4D8E8F87A522@jasonjgw.net> Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> <1ac4597c-955a-4b46-fa9d-cea2528d340c@jasonjgw.net> <506d57ab-d212-0435-219d-052cdbf26b27@GMAIL.COM> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3657555383_551957281" Authentication-Results: svr.jasonjgw.net; auth=pass smtp.auth=jason smtp.mailfrom=jason@jasonjgw.net Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:36:18 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3657555383_551957281 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable F10 invoked the Chromium menu for me, but alt alone didn=E2=80=99t. =20 From: orca-list on behalf of Jace Kattalakis = via orca-list Reply-To: Jace Kattalakis Date: Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:09 To: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome =20 That's the one I used, since I got the .deb and it said install via a chann= el. Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chrome-unstable It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if this is me using the= Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest and not doing a git= pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I seem to be unable to= get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut. Is that fixed and I merely need to update things, or? On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: Le 25/11/2019 =C3=A0 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a =C3=A9crit : So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very lates= t one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it seems to work f= ine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive vs FF personally.=20 It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I assume eve= ry week. Best regards. _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stabl= e/a11y.html _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca= -list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki:= https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome= .org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org= /users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html=20 --B_3657555383_551957281 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

F10 invoked the Chromium menu for me, but alt alon= e didn=E2=80=99t.

 

From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces= @gnome.org> on behalf of Jace Kattalakis via orca-list <orca-list@gnom= e.org>
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Date: Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:09
To: <orca-l= ist@gnome.org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca wit= h Chromium/Chrome

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That's the one I used, since I got the .deb and it sa= id install via a channel. Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chro= me-unstable

It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if th= is is me using the Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest a= nd not doing a git pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I se= em to be unable to get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut.

Is = that fixed and I merely need to update things, or?

On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:

Le 25/11/2019 =C3=A0 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a =C3=A9crit&nb= sp;:

So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstabl= e in Ubuntu the very latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different thin= gs, but it seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsi= ve vs FF personally.

It's not= the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I assume every week.<= br>
Best regards.


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--B_3657555383_551957281-- From javier@tiflolinux.org Tue Nov 26 05:40:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5303760FF for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 05:40:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.85 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.25] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NsSmd14diNRd for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 05:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.javierdorado.es (mail.javierdorado.es [185.166.214.135]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F4F6760E7 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 05:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.javierdorado.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6546881EAD for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:40:41 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: mail.javierdorado.es (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=tiflolinux.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tiflolinux.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-language:content-type :content-type:in-reply-to:mime-version:user-agent:date:date :message-id:from:from:references:to:subject:subject; s=dkim; t= 1574746841; x=1575610842; bh=IfmzwHmOr8uRNc4aBPnX4hxbr2DJ/RIQZgA CxNVY8Lk=; b=GXNXs5qpw8G1dGtaU2VzliSXkgtBOU6Hma8YGesVaMU8aMBa2X0 tF644KDhbcc0AYH+UfA1AqJEh2hMpPQxB1SFq93TYRGDk0e6XROKMhL6ag3D9ooZ hmr/N1urzqBaBYUedn75bYh6Wqk2mEUjZ0IT0wR9KDvGPgg+9D2FLCJ8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.javierdorado.es Received: from mail.javierdorado.es ([127.0.0.1]) by mail (mail.javierdorado.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ACsk-cBOYOc1 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:40:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.17.0.156] (unknown [188.127.168.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: javier@tiflolinux.org) by mail.javierdorado.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EDF4802BE for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:40:41 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Francisco_Javier_Dorado_Mart=c3=adnez?= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:40:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:71.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/71.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: es-ES Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? 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I do know that it won't ship with > Orca, as it's not Linux/Unix, so at-spi and other API's Orca relies on > won't be present on the system. As for NVDA, it was some years ago > when I tried it, and NVDA at that time was unusable. I couldn't even > get a startup sound. That said, it may work now, though I don't think > I have the necessary hardware to try it, since it relies on x86 > hardware and I have all ARM machines at this point. ReactOS does seem > to experience periods of heavy development and periods of slow > development, so there's no telling really how well it will work with > NVDA now. Jaws is a whole nother kettle of fish, so I can't even begin > to speculate whether or not it works on ReactOS. My recommendation > would be to try NVDA again and hope they have been able to duplicate > the API's necessary to make it work at least partially. > Imetumwa kutoka nyumbani > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From kkmane@riseup.net Tue Nov 26 07:50:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAB5760FF for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:50:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VosFcsfR9VEb for ; 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boundary="------------F5E62B1C49F64B9B591F38D7" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:50:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F5E62B1C49F64B9B591F38D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Joanie, I certainly feel and understand how it must be feeling. Although you are relaxing, your mind still seems to be on radar watch for any "issues on fire ". But you perfectly deserve this break and it is wonderful that you are enjoying it. On 25/11/19 10:45 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey all. > > Igalia gives its employees a rather generous number of vacation days, > and expects us to take them. In fact, failure to take them is a no-no > because we take our "equal work for equal pay" policy quite seriously. > I've been a bad American. As a result, I have to take quite a bit of > time off between now and the end of the year. > > I will still be checking email, and if anything is on fire, then I'll > work on it ASAP. Lower-priority, not-on-fire issues may need to wait > until mid December or early January. > > Hopefully you will all be enjoying your own holidays and therefore not > notice my absence. 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Hi Joanie,

I certainly feel and understand how it must be feeling.

Although you are relaxing, your mind still seems to be on radar watch for any "issues on fire ".

But you perfectly deserve this break and it is wonderful that you are enjoying it.


On 25/11/19 10:45 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
Hey all.

Igalia gives its employees a rather generous number of vacation days, and expects us to take them. In fact, failure to take them is a no-no because we take our "equal work for equal pay" policy quite seriously. I've been a bad American. As a result, I have to take quite a bit of time off between now and the end of the year.

I will still be checking email, and if anything is on fire, then I'll work on it ASAP. Lower-priority, not-on-fire issues may need to wait until mid December or early January.

Hopefully you will all be enjoying your own holidays and therefore not notice my absence. Sending this just in case.

Take care.
--joanie

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Regards,
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([2a04:b2c2:1815:d800:4c90:6d46:eec6:bde0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b186sm2554840wmb.21.2019.11.26.03.01.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2019 03:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jace Kattalakis X-Google-Original-From: Jace Kattalakis References: <4291a626-f28d-fb1a-d9e4-728f542c9c56@igalia.com> <20191123185044.GA2970@rednote.net> <1f66cb28-0b97-b0d1-4b73-b5830463171a@igalia.com> <20191123201209.GC2964@rednote.net> <1ac4597c-955a-4b46-fa9d-cea2528d340c@jasonjgw.net> <506d57ab-d212-0435-219d-052cdbf26b27@GMAIL.COM> <69A74B3D-1167-4EE6-A652-4D8E8F87A522@jasonjgw.net> To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:01:56 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <69A74B3D-1167-4EE6-A652-4D8E8F87A522@jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C53F748A72B18D33A1ECEBD3" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:01:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C53F748A72B18D33A1ECEBD3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ack, I completely forgot about F10. Erg, okay....so is there an easy way to get Chromium for testing aside from github? On 26/11/2019 00:36, Jason White wrote: > > F10 invoked the Chromium menu for me, but alt alone didn’t. > > *From: *orca-list on behalf of Jace > Kattalakis via orca-list > *Reply-To: *Jace Kattalakis > *Date: *Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:09 > *To: * > *Subject: *Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome > > That's the one I used, since I got the .deb and it said install via a > channel. Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chrome-unstable > > It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if this is me > using the Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest and > not doing a git pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I > seem to be unable to get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut. > > Is that fixed and I merely need to update things, or? > > On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote: > > Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit : > > So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu > the very latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different > things, but it seems to work fine for me either way. It's so > speedy and responsive vs FF personally. > > It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. 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Ack, I completely forgot about F10. Erg, okay....so is there an easy way to get Chromium for testing aside from github?



On 26/11/2019 00:36, Jason White wrote:

F10 invoked the Chromium menu for me, but alt alone didn’t.

 

From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces@gnome.org> on behalf of Jace Kattalakis via orca-list <orca-list@gnome.org>
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Date: Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:09
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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome

 

That's the one I used, since I got the .deb and it said install via a channel. Which I took to mean sudo apt instqall google-chrome-unstable

It works great here. Only issue is, for me, and IDK if this is me using the Ubuntu repository version, vs the very very very latest and not doing a git pull on Orca master today before writing this....but I seem to be unable to get the menu to work via the alt key shortcut.

Is that fixed and I merely need to update things, or?

On 25/11/2019 16:42, Alex ARNAUD via orca-list wrote:

Le 25/11/2019 à 17:32, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit :

So, is the sudo apt install google-chrome-unstable in Ubuntu the very latest one? I'm unsure as I've been told different things, but it seems to work fine for me either way. It's so speedy and responsive vs FF personally.

It's not the very latest but it seems to be updated regularly. I assume every week.

Best regards.


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Although I seem to recall getting the infamous blue screen instead of an error related to sound drivers when I tried to run NVDA. Still, that could explain why I didn't even hear the startup chime chord, although I didn't recall it even getting that far. 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[2606:a000:111a:8d0a::f17]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t134sm3247421wmt.24.2019.11.26.05.44.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2019 05:44:21 -0800 (PST) To: Krishnakant Mane , Joanmarie Diggs , orca References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> <237afa51-bb1c-9a0f-02d0-28bc8c505c95@riseup.net> From: Kyle Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:44:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux armv7l; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <237afa51-bb1c-9a0f-02d0-28bc8c505c95@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:44:15 -0000 Kuwa na likizo nzuri. This is the Swahili translation of "Have a nice vacation," also "Have a nice holiday." ~Kyle From jdashiel@panix.com Tue Nov 26 13:57:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF75D76112 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:57:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.301 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ka0zs1wcG0Z8 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE7E576102 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47Mlp61qrWz1LgM; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 47Mlp607sYzcbX; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47Mlp56tYMzcbW; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:57:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:57:17 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Kyle , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <006a01d5a2f3$e167b340$0400a8c0@NUCPPYH> <789ea07b-6117-57d5-6213-a0114b5e4bf6@gmail.com> <53787695-ffd8-334d-2424-fb7ea37dbdaa@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:57:13 -0000 react os and kde are both broken. With kde you have to have a properly configured speech-dispatcher before any of the screen readers will run and speak. Perhaps making allowance for a hardware speech synthesizer on a port in both of those systems might give them a bridge to set up further accessibility. On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Kyle via orca-list wrote: > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:28:30 > From: Kyle via orca-list > Reply-To: Kyle > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS > > mattias ALIANDIKA: > > you must install sound drivers manualy > > Ah maybe that was part of my problem. Although I seem to recall getting the > infamous blue screen instead of an error related to sound drivers when I tried > to run NVDA. Still, that could explain why I didn't even hear the startup > chime chord, although I didn't recall it even getting that far. > Imetumwa kutoka kazi yangu > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > -- From mhussaincov93@gmail.com Tue Nov 26 14:05:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5105876115 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:05:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.149 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.149 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=1.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lggkDFj_jXwv for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ed1-f65.google.com (mail-ed1-f65.google.com [209.85.208.65]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 810C476102 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f65.google.com with SMTP id t11so16419808eds.13 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:05:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Uf3H8smDOSg86MbtuvSUZ5eEmcVO37Z5YuO+te9qrYk=; b=Q8AFic5nxJl+tCLJjmjl5K7iBmIYfgduUaQH2fFRe+UOXVS0ZEEAKLyQ59kU6MH0zT qE6mSkrMVCFeN2j/XaKeET9fuLeCHFGyUCwCyndJkzT8VEBYVHeKa4BiTiZeHtv+3EPf rfxpDhyHrc7X4CWJ1JjI10kwxnXotYgG7HDKKYbTbvv+iWBxPQ8wwoiIoa92eNuYaRCM MVjFENwcvV0E0zOgxFgvxGnMB0x2/NQcC3RW52CkmoTLVy9oBzTeqwyURpM8zRq5SUEU AYkeZ1PRu0fxkVN+2xlgjxOY+oFUJW0KcEXUEhMjMRcF9f62SXwGGQe2YzgZWSmGujde LBIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Uf3H8smDOSg86MbtuvSUZ5eEmcVO37Z5YuO+te9qrYk=; b=Et1HEQA43B4Ov5XrfBsgtBKS+ahXlodXqKvfWdqeDwFcnIN9UzaUmQ5yflggPYdcyc HEu6mg24l8dRAALftzBU2Xv/9VMov9a4RXCRX1SHmIXMYENv/d0N8hslRz4cYFkhuMwi zEM6UtlptniTgopQxhqsjM6hjnnTen5Al9PDmFqld9MosfNcPPFEtlV9BlawsokHA8xs 9LfXJUmFnCpwJeUFnXa8J8NZmLGLMjcSfwKQgTmuYU2X2Z8KuTkntHxU6nqRacH73uP1 KXd1H5kMV+mSfsFv8APPpWCMAgeEJyYfSd4HA46pPyMDgTtpQTTfl/b2dn/haebIQFW3 vGdw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWICMfpTO+fhLc81NpBnJLMF9BwidMeCZaT3UrRJsRdIeWe/pvG UM7Do5GQCGYs7oTQk48HdQHA+nfw2bhtT3F/IQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqynj+tQh5QjxXw20IWcd8Nt+PPxSzEXsKGSz3mw97N8/OEoP0eaGDYYs/ZGU0C3MHpqulL3J7JzaH27nCIQw/w= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4e94:: with SMTP id v20mr44143635eju.34.1574777107014; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:05:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a17:906:34da:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:05:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <006a01d5a2f3$e167b340$0400a8c0@NUCPPYH> <789ea07b-6117-57d5-6213-a0114b5e4bf6@gmail.com> <53787695-ffd8-334d-2424-fb7ea37dbdaa@gmail.com> From: Majid Hussain Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:05:06 +0000 Message-ID: To: Kyle Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:05:01 -0000 hi there, react os, would an plug and play sound card be of any use? what is react os based on? On 26/11/2019, Kyle via orca-list wrote: > mattias ALIANDIKA: >> you must install sound drivers manualy > > Ah maybe that was part of my problem. Although I seem to recall getting the > > infamous blue screen instead of an error related to sound drivers when I > tried > to run NVDA. Still, that could explain why I didn't even hear the startup > chime > chord, although I didn't recall it even getting that far. > Imetumwa kutoka kazi yangu > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > -- kind regards, Majid Hussain From vsmiro@seznam.cz Tue Nov 26 18:50:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDB676115 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:50:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.301 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TNhb2ymapPyT for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxa1.seznam.cz (mxa1.seznam.cz [77.75.78.90]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5FD176102 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc15b.ko.seznam.cz (email-smtpc15b.ko.seznam.cz [10.53.14.195]) id 4b37cf9e5eaf9cc44add3e82; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:50:54 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1574794254; bh=l1iz5dPZvntRVx7MX5Qi6vRxZHhUGY+NMtspzHJ1tdU=; h=Received:Subject:From:To:References:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Language; b=TEYWaT0B3I7zFa4zSP0bJk/kbXvaT3AWrjU+Llm1NcLJ6iFSvEJAMeXs516+gpRB1 ohYWliwF599vI6zekp6+CZXwm310Sl12ITsZqYCJM+Rxt4sEgjB+SN3MKQlkknjKvU yvScOzFrVD8KTbPK4BSGF/xLUBnj90rZUqISal+k= Received: from [192.168.1.118] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay23.ko.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.108) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:50:20 +0100 (CET) From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <755030ae-25b5-052b-b41f-aa29153e7b6f@igalia.com> <7dd4ed37-53fb-0220-0f1b-1510cefb993d@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <5413e66b-6f10-efad-7be8-36bef3a8e7a8@seznam.cz> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:50:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7dd4ed37-53fb-0220-0f1b-1510cefb993d@seznam.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: cs Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where's Joanie? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:50:54 -0000 Dne 26. 11. 19 v 17:43 Vojtch miro napsal(a): > Hello. > > > Your work is great. I wish you super vacation and mary Christmas. You > deserve this pause. > > > Thanks for your hard work. > > > Best regards > > > Vojta. > > Dne 25. 11. 19 v 18:15 Joanmarie Diggs napsal(a): >> Hey all. >> >> Igalia gives its employees a rather generous number of vacation days, >> and expects us to take them. In fact, failure to take them is a no-no >> because we take our "equal work for equal pay" policy quite >> seriously. I've been a bad American. As a result, I have to take >> quite a bit of time off between now and the end of the year. >> >> I will still be checking email, and if anything is on fire, then I'll >> work on it ASAP. Lower-priority, not-on-fire issues may need to wait >> until mid December or early January. >> >> Hopefully you will all be enjoying your own holidays and therefore >> not notice my absence. Sending this just in case. >> >> Take care. >> --joanie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From mjonsson1986@gmail.com Wed Nov 27 05:59:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03BC7610F for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.149 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.149 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=1.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lYuTbNmI5Bvw for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-f194.google.com (mail-lj1-f194.google.com [209.85.208.194]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 200B376101 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-f194.google.com with SMTP id g3so22966386ljl.11 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:59:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=Dz32J50qhVzfbmfd6xQKQ5NtdTz9CEIoRW2B4Z7wXms=; b=UfmxcGstYausBwQ8QXA8X0weNu30BpoVLSfrKCdMkJ+re25oaBgO6r6/m1HEOE+s6J CkVPw8VrIcrZmpeqS5ydEsLCY78GhncwYFlSQNmVzr3kcv+PQQJtaWc8udocK6spdfMh E9c9GK5eufUvzUCdM7bkOLhFdF45rzDYx0juvzxax9u4ITeE0KPyKBeb1cXPhxXIBzGa awM3FoA984Fy9YoBOWHfxdB6Nc4UxwqTZWGgI6gnQkZxv1IsA1N6U3Trq58R8RRKBlk1 oepEjai4LPj87+rglUy/j1kbbxKc+YhOYpoGbvP2ecv5q9KwQ21/L/kPCr7u1pGCq9eC 8i+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=Dz32J50qhVzfbmfd6xQKQ5NtdTz9CEIoRW2B4Z7wXms=; b=heXUsphUxWKs2wQUuFL1xR90gizT7r0p3LyLZh6CNKjuz+zwc/V3b/9+Kix2Gg//3Z et04liNmY2VVoDmnJjjbyeStKAc4qDNdMqZ+7yZODmrpwEpPQasLcGK/vG5WY0Ly7wJb BaiiRJn0gk2sMwZ9jauE0C+YzYxDqJW6pkWbV8RvQ0h+6kvmXlncNarbBDiBuc7uDbam LX5E7YcEA+oGPauDCzl/ScJh13ccyzcOdtkggPhrgdtBaCY+ZEEfCbi9SSSe1CBUrdpi afXYForiGpj+hc0ZglsLj7e54rVnjleD4tdMIM/eM9735RarvqNjOhhAZqqaqF9gSZUy TnAg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXngJFYrtjp6tdnMAHLOuyUC93LckUGIOMueR+u/8imiv6IIANK gcbQ82Q6g16KCEhg1xibN2ApsJXO/LE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyuWyk2DuP5zJKsjoLAT2P7KhlYlvAs1pJTc9HatV+euDfKGihxfox9LZa7QVJYw21V7tMsmg== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:300d:: with SMTP id w13mr29909229ljw.117.1574834394472; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.189] (81-228-143-85-no527.tbcn.telia.com. [81.228.143.85]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t12sm6235547lfc.73.2019.11.26.21.59.53 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:59:53 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <006a01d5a2f3$e167b340$0400a8c0@NUCPPYH> <789ea07b-6117-57d5-6213-a0114b5e4bf6@gmail.com> <53787695-ffd8-334d-2424-fb7ea37dbdaa@gmail.com> From: mattias Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 06:59:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: sv Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:50 -0000 a windows clone Den 2019-11-26 kl. 15:05, skrev Majid Hussain via orca-list: > hi there, > react os, would an plug and play sound card be of any use? > what is react os based on? > > On 26/11/2019, Kyle via orca-list wrote: >> mattias ALIANDIKA: >>> you must install sound drivers manualy >> Ah maybe that was part of my problem. Although I seem to recall getting the >> >> infamous blue screen instead of an error related to sound drivers when I >> tried >> to run NVDA. Still, that could explain why I didn't even hear the startup >> chime >> chord, although I didn't recall it even getting that far. >> Imetumwa kutoka kazi yangu >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> > From orca4sanchit@gmail.com Wed Nov 27 07:39:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3334476115 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:39:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=1.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QME4vqPFnAvx for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm1-f53.google.com (mail-wm1-f53.google.com [209.85.128.53]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BFAA76101 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm1-f53.google.com with SMTP id g206so5927406wme.1 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 23:39:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dOUy03uRb9/eLI5dR5ogMs4HPcJw5HxX1/VDFsK+8PM=; b=kQdOKOBfD7pxGNBghr3Uv0tT5Tn0qtATgQCFHbqoTyL292zlI76c1CWGHg9bWDVzIi MgSsDgfvEl+B2igDB8x4Fi9fquUx8+AgZSynBuKlv3RV0wH78/q5qz9aKw3am62V+Plp RfQiQBznlaEDNxPeSzbKjSfy038iDhF45i8fm8qtcwq6dK8ESkG1TWaX1f9Xq/lvxwkK wcs3Dn/oj2ikxm9KRWJphe4bUzRN7XyNvimMCFTEYfCr1BRNhIsC25MUX8wwGha0aSe/ YMzthtS6qmLvgfQjAZB/+kJAOKNX+a1j1Difijv6KySFspu/NoeIfvSXEvZSZvwC+JLR ujTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dOUy03uRb9/eLI5dR5ogMs4HPcJw5HxX1/VDFsK+8PM=; b=EC4o614IVO+h+wpx2KEpJZ/+6K6qCEuahLeiDKhPsK0K9mdQWkGpp+I6ZpxI35MdQ/ 5KCqkR8c3FkwJTuVdXyVvg09LhuYEgdRwrQ30noODDNZAdV+z62BtShLZfkovo8l96Jd 1dKbA0AAR8kSrMV22f6q+oDTWrEK+SF0fExlEhAX8ijl/cp0iamOAG7AUha4fSBBYfoM t550TiE2o+KaGarhqHudPlaXyDlATYzeUxO9RDI+utBmSiqtVuArqzUvmAzRIBKQhjPl K9oy02cj7JMmu2+0pydh4Usi9SZbbRcSR9uftcttvLQgurACO3h0+6N+3pmJx318/wNn typw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVO9ZF+kjWLBqS01cU4Gv4CQg6nzT2eUxd1I/onBll62itG1osT NsUyA26QKTwkbaXltGfHAXAmk+SBt7beIDydOC2eyKMZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzvLbK+RsHZwyxo7vo5DzSnVQ54ozDpqR2syDFSmN4SCMNCT+ww8Wey53T1pnxPmVwHuOqzhW3+Gfiq22dxdo8= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:cc01:: with SMTP id h1mr2784503wmb.172.1574840365096; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 23:39:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sanchit orca Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:09:13 +0530 Message-ID: To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008a22b305984f18d7" Subject: [orca-list] Omilo installation error X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:39:20 -0000 --0000000000008a22b305984f18d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear friends, I was installing omilo -a gui for festival using .deb package and I got error dependency is not satisfiable ... So, how do I install required dependencies. Thanking you. Sincerely, Sanchit. --0000000000008a22b305984f18d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"

Dear friends,
I was installing omilo -a gui for festival using .deb package and I got error dependency is not satisfiable ...
So, how do I install required dependencies.
Thanking you.
Sincerely,
Sanchit.

--0000000000008a22b305984f18d7-- From jdashiel@panix.com Wed Nov 27 07:44:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BD17610F for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:44:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.301 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eq9pHheq1dKN for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE32376101 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47NCV16hFWz1fsM; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 02:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 47NCV14qvzzcbX; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 02:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47NCV14N4qzcbW; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 02:44:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 02:44:57 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: mattias , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <006a01d5a2f3$e167b340$0400a8c0@NUCPPYH> <789ea07b-6117-57d5-6213-a0114b5e4bf6@gmail.com> <53787695-ffd8-334d-2424-fb7ea37dbdaa@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:44:52 -0000 https://zorinos/ has another one aimed at all those people with under-resourced windows 7 machines that won't be able to run windows 10. It though is based lots more on ubuntu. On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, mattias via orca-list wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 00:59:53 > From: mattias via orca-list > Reply-To: mattias > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS > > a windows clone > > Den 2019-11-26 kl. 15:05, skrev Majid Hussain via orca-list: > > hi there, > > react os, would an plug and play sound card be of any use? > > what is react os based on? > > > > On 26/11/2019, Kyle via orca-list wrote: > >> mattias ALIANDIKA: > >>> you must install sound drivers manualy > >> Ah maybe that was part of my problem. Although I seem to recall getting the > >> > >> infamous blue screen instead of an error related to sound drivers when I > >> tried > >> to run NVDA. Still, that could explain why I didn't even hear the startup > >> chime > >> chord, although I didn't recall it even getting that far. > >> Imetumwa kutoka kazi yangu > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: > >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > -- From janusz.chmiel@volny.cz Wed Nov 27 08:08:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA05676101 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:08:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.149 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.149 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=1.25, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59e6o6KXRXaQ for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gmmr2.centrum.cz (gmmr2.centrum.cz [46.255.227.252]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EC8B7612C for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gm-as1.cent (unknown [10.255.254.17]) by gmmr2.centrum.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA83C60001F6 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:09:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=volny.cz; s=mail; t=1574842140; bh=sCgEoQvFCF7KXea3kLJONavsDIB0HhkY8r/Zthcq5qg=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From; b=iUedmEFjKN/Dd0yUneOWSYkZfVzzZPCzIORrdL+YeJNvhqTng5pjlomJDmbcGt6Vc rKQNoKRRzqjrmYNQ1hTcyTnzvZgNH0Qac3Hh2wzO0cOr14Tv4P+1sRzVz8e1bpbY7n PFOIiNbaaY6/eOLPKOc/Uy2LI+p2RafbyrmUBSS4= Received: by gm-as1.cent (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C846D4800083; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:09:00 +0100 (CET) X-Original-From: janusz.chmiel@volny.cz X-Envelope-To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Original-IP: 85.70.144.247 Received: from DESKTOPN6LG1HQ (unknown [85.70.144.247]) by gm-smtp6.centrum.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPX id 9994B9C000EA; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:08:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <14D2B5BDAF2C4E0DA248105A18DAA301@DESKTOPN6LG1HQ> From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "mattias" , References: <006a01d5a2f3$e167b340$0400a8c0@NUCPPYH><789ea07b-6117-57d5-6213-a0114b5e4bf6@gmail.com><53787695-ffd8-334d-2424-fb7ea37dbdaa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:08:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 Subject: Re: [orca-list] ReactOS X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:08:55 -0000 Reactos is really opensource Windows alternative OS. Keep in mind, that MSAA, Oleacc.dll and other libraryes have not been made to be compatible with Windows based screen readers. You can also have problems with sound drivers. It is not real, that Reactos community will implement MSAA ccccompatible mmmmethods and functions. I have debated with Cross over ddeveloper and he told Me, that it is too complex to implement it. May be, that it would be possible to develop screen reader by calling some classic API functions, but you will return to The 90S, when screen readers have randomly crashed, and many apps have not been compatible with screen readers. So if Wine will not support some app, Reactos will very probably also not support this app. Rather mix Linux with Wine, but not use Winetricks to download Windows components, you will brak The license of Microsoft Wiiiindows and it is gate to prison. 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and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:21:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --1X9RSlUAwnZQxN09Eq2bVS7A8hYpRXOxH Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="YDpofWSC0sSuK0NDcOa9UpD4tksqCQKRI" --YDpofWSC0sSuK0NDcOa9UpD4tksqCQKRI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Just tried again to test vscode and orca. Had to patch vscode to electron7 and manually install extensions, however... yes, that works! It is a bit buggy but not very much and I am aware of the facts that some of these bugs are already fixed in newer chromium/orca, so I do not have the latest and greatest experience, but that doesn't change my impressions. I believe that in some respect it is more accessible than eclipse. And definitely faster, although I miss some features, but that is vscode related thing. Thanks for the good work! Finally i have some linux editor for dotnet... --YDpofWSC0sSuK0NDcOa9UpD4tksqCQKRI-- --1X9RSlUAwnZQxN09Eq2bVS7A8hYpRXOxH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAl3fEv4ACgkQmRxoPZnI FPlYcQf/Ztota+yvPl7T0mmO4AuCcP/WBTpIYj2ZlCUfyJQmgFahsURspQMjyw86 rHD7eL7ghEHYJvRWb5P0fEwQti1YO8njNhg0EVvkjXlPTLrob7ql6WOWnLx3JsnV 3nRXcf45uqJ5UdlZ6RDvkXgH9lEMWQyYysh8VBpdz/d2Gd7UBcqD7+w1pSBAGp1V /sIPWz/Jl5F7BBpWuW/HouaAQV7IialmMK4oURP8psYc4/jblDllDLy86opd7NiK wHSoNLxPfBreSLrHv6x+DHdZrvXMcBaqBky7UuiGf1TwippyfuNc+t4X4yoCkFM2 a7I9FfsxWWsp6VnWtvLO9qQJHUNYQg== =SCyx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1X9RSlUAwnZQxN09Eq2bVS7A8hYpRXOxH-- From covici@ccs.covici.com Thu Nov 28 07:06:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D577611D for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:06:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MTfmT9TyyKDJ for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from covici.com (debian-2.covici.com [172.104.21.222]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C54827610B for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (ccs.covici.com [70.109.53.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id xAS75tB0008814 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:06:17 -0500 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xAS75hGv1733623 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:05:43 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id xAS75gXe1733537; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:05:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:05:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan Cc: orca-list In-Reply-To: <612b8bb4-b3d6-6146-c7ae-f83e5afc41fc@poczta.onet.pl> References: <612b8bb4-b3d6-6146-c7ae-f83e5afc41fc@poczta.onet.pl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] vscode and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:06:41 -0000 This would be nice, what versions of what software do I need for this and what additional patches do I need after that? I am using gentoo distribution, so I may have some versions already that may work. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:21:18 -0500, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: >=20 > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > [1.1.1 ] > Hello, > Just tried again to test vscode and orca. > Had to patch vscode to electron7 and manually install extensions, > however... yes, that works! > It is a bit buggy but not very much and I am aware of the facts that > some of these bugs are already fixed in newer chromium/orca, so I do not > have the latest and greatest experience, but that doesn't change my > impressions. > I believe that in some respect it is more accessible than eclipse. And > definitely faster, although I miss some features, but that is vscode > related thing. > Thanks for the good work! Finally i have some linux editor for dotnet... >=20 > [1.2 OpenPGP digital signature ] > No public key for 991C683D99C814F9 created at 2019-11-27T19:21:18-0500 us= ing RSA > [2 ] > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Thu Nov 28 09:34:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D984576176 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:34:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jxtueC0ad6sG for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo80.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo80.poczta.onet.pl [141.105.16.30]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE17076124 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:33:58 +0000 (UTC) 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X-ONET_PL-MDA-SEGREGATION: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] vscode and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:34:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --r9ACHz8QFBVp7WkL4UzG6OqUy6v9VWqpL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="5Z7nUgZz8FqlMRQ3y56FOwX1mzXhRaEqk" --5Z7nUgZz8FqlMRQ3y56FOwX1mzXhRaEqk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used current vscode master from git: http://github.com/microsoft/vscode.git Electron version is 7.0.0, it still has the bug that causes control not to silent speech in dialogs like save dialog... annoying, but... Also it is not connected to extensions gallery so that you will have problems installing c# extension, like will not be easy. I also do not know how to package vscode instead of running from source. I will most likely find some way shortly to do both. W dniu 28.11.2019 o=A008:05, John Covici pisze: > This would be nice, what versions of what software do I need for this > and what additional patches do I need after that? I am using gentoo > distribution, so I may have some versions already that may work. >=20 > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. >=20 > On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:21:18 -0500, > Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: >> >> [1 ] >> [1.1 ] >> [1.1.1 ] >> Hello, >> Just tried again to test vscode and orca. >> Had to patch vscode to electron7 and manually install extensions, >> however... yes, that works! >> It is a bit buggy but not very much and I am aware of the facts that >> some of these bugs are already fixed in newer chromium/orca, so I do n= ot >> have the latest and greatest experience, but that doesn't change my >> impressions. >> I believe that in some respect it is more accessible than eclipse. And= >> definitely faster, although I miss some features, but that is vscode >> related thing. >> Thanks for the good work! Finally i have some linux editor for dotnet.= =2E. >> >> [1.2 OpenPGP digital signature ] >> No public key for 991C683D99C814F9 created at 2019-11-27T19:21:18-0500= using RSA >> [2 ] >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/= stable/a11y.html >=20 --5Z7nUgZz8FqlMRQ3y56FOwX1mzXhRaEqk-- --r9ACHz8QFBVp7WkL4UzG6OqUy6v9VWqpL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAl3flIcACgkQmRxoPZnI FPkxDggA0zAaNaDQnSlf1KoL8wWOXHJ5EaKGLwtwbqfohULKmT2qKVBgWwxVgdzw 3JJNdhwOuHDJUEyliDQRWN4B9+p9mL7Erl4AMV2Gsq8B8vLTMKveqAfKUVYdsvOB KVgpE0wtmnuXJfFOcvV/c8vetlAn3XDg1b9nhW/D0AbSodbcGmZhdapt3d/RmDLm HqQPK+sAz0VLl/W35+b9byN5cKptCjUgNWyNd4tIbPuqrlMTO1iiu9dfoC6pmdNc kqAxDrVqepnaJgfMZy3gnivN0Q5fh0+6wMagGe6xruFTJH+aqTD1yzWPeoR3zot9 GhfIbXjzZioP6nDIYx4AbSrVD/A/9w== =pNdN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r9ACHz8QFBVp7WkL4UzG6OqUy6v9VWqpL-- From vsmiro@seznam.cz Thu Nov 28 13:25:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C776124 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:25:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.301 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wAZ1mFIh4vhh for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxa1.seznam.cz (mxa1.seznam.cz [77.75.78.90]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE055760DB for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc5a.ko.seznam.cz (email-smtpc5a.ko.seznam.cz [10.53.10.135]) id 520bc86c47939b3653e13970; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:25:40 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1574947540; bh=u4w/LvhW93MPnWfYpKwL6udrlrFaDqKmPqhyEh18IBw=; h=Received:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language; b=EFRYG4iSk4qqL7bZ5qbBKoE7+fNPGWd8j07gCUCPqgmqt6AMJ/kFNJ37cqXzDzc7g PhHG3TAgX5hISrM1irqiy2LcYFmmraBcmeQNNG58W+TLfJArGTh4g/bZa9AmOpoKLZ 4xd09vRA/fVWbFTvvwRWD90Nv7NYawt7jZwvVO0E= Received: from [192.168.1.118] (unknown [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay17.ko.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.108) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:25:37 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= Message-ID: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:25:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: cs Subject: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:25:37 -0000 Hello. How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. Thanks a lot. Best regards Vojta. 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[77.13.83.214]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z2sm8204632wmf.47.2019.11.28.05.29.46 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 05:29:46 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> From: Werwoelfchen Message-ID: <9f1a6b03-6c53-d507-c42c-e48ddd965a5e@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:29:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:29:41 -0000 Hi, the right option is: --force-renderer-accessibility after the path to the chrome starter. 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9f1a6b03-6c53-d507-c42c-e48ddd965a5e@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ONET_PL-MDA-SEGREGATION: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:31:08 -0000 Also the ACCESSIBILITY_ENABLED env var must be set to 1, i believe. W dniu 28.11.2019 o 14:29, Werwoelfchen via orca-list pisze: > Hi, > the right option is: > --force-renderer-accessibility > after the path to the chrome starter. You can also use this option in > the command of a desktop entry. > Greetings, > Wolfram > > Vojtěch Šmiro via orca-list schrieb: >> Hello. >> >> >> How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it >> must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. >> >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> >> Best regards >> >> >> Vojta. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 28 13:31:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF5B76124 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:31:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=1.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S5m5mhDrA3dN for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3755760DB for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slint.slint.fr (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C9A780374 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:31:37 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <522a53ff-9f35-8136-abec-3e9f763a4911@slint.fr> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:31:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:31:33 -0000 Hello, Joanie wrote it here: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium Best regards, Didier Le 28/11/19 à 14:25, Vojtěch Šmiro via orca-list a écrit : > Hello. > > How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. > > Thanks a lot. > > Best regards > > Vojta. 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([2a04:b2c2:1815:d800:4c92:c95d:e72e:b650]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z6sm10522832wrw.36.2019.11.28.06.39.57 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 06:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jace Kattalakis X-Google-Original-From: Jace Kattalakis To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> <522a53ff-9f35-8136-abec-3e9f763a4911@slint.fr> Message-ID: <9b464525-ecfa-1c6c-108d-a8904122f8bb@GMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:39:56 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <522a53ff-9f35-8136-abec-3e9f763a4911@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:39:52 -0000 Adding to this, for me exporting the variable worked in Ubuntu LTS then adding the flags to the launcher. So, Joany's on vacation so this isn't aimed at her (but enjoy your vacation Joany and a happy turkey day), but once it's in the stable version, theoretically would I not need those flags and variable set or...? Also, should I get in touch with other Chromium-based browsers to see about adding the Orca support in them or...? On 28/11/2019 13:31, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hello, > > Joanie wrote it here: > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium > > Best regards, > > Didier > > Le 28/11/19 à 14:25, Vojtěch Šmiro via orca-list a écrit : >> Hello. >> >> How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it >> must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> Best regards >> >> Vojta. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Thu Nov 28 14:46:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C1876166 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:46:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uC1g6jSsJxMY for ; 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9b464525-ecfa-1c6c-108d-a8904122f8bb@GMAIL.COM> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oIIvqKxpH6hdyUknz2vMGx6UWWx1JONS0" X-ONET_PL-MDA-SEGREGATION: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:46:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --oIIvqKxpH6hdyUknz2vMGx6UWWx1JONS0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="WUDzGkMyI6LxV5YbVBrH0dc9qfIxdKHFK" --WUDzGkMyI6LxV5YbVBrH0dc9qfIxdKHFK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl-PL Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If they allow --force-renderer-accessibility, or if it won't be required, then the only thing that suffices is probably the fact that chromium engine used would be new enough... That is why it works for electron apps/etc if electron is new enough, for example. vscode, probably other things W dniu 28.11.2019 o=C2=A015:39, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list pisze: > Adding to this, for me exporting the variable worked in Ubuntu LTS then= > adding the flags to the launcher. >=20 > So, Joany's on vacation so this isn't aimed at her (but enjoy your > vacation Joany and a happy turkey day), but once it's in the stable > version, theoretically would I not need those flags and variable set or= =2E..? >=20 > Also, should I get in touch with other Chromium-based browsers to see > about adding the Orca support in them or...? >=20 > On 28/11/2019 13:31, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Joanie wrote it here: >> >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >> >> Best regards, >> >> Didier >> >> Le 28/11/19 =C3=A0 14:25, Vojt=C4=9Bch =C5=A0miro via orca-list a =C3=A9= crit=C2=A0: >>> Hello. >>> >>> How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it >>> must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Vojta. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html --WUDzGkMyI6LxV5YbVBrH0dc9qfIxdKHFK-- --oIIvqKxpH6hdyUknz2vMGx6UWWx1JONS0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAl3f3cYACgkQmRxoPZnI FPku/wgAxA/iFOhju/8qtoaVIwVBK5Dr1EAtauB/xmye5iINdCAHsKGO+pIm2VHn zII5YcT7WIv45A9Ry5MxSpCEoAqgGIKUIfQ1OBHB5hb6A5VIow3aRrEjJLyNJr6e EO47rB97KR9ptji6dAr4Xua5nbp+XpCPxER5G4ENJ94gF30dvjaewWR+XDYDfF+Q Ny/3gqq5raplHCpiqY48718bURqc8OMaDSNr1+jS9Bew0YyWtD4cfJnDvYGyyE3B JVEAgghXJvrcQG4OHfiGtFi1aqfKlty89Sva82PYyLEtLCUWRKFWF6dsPr2pew+P EOn9aa9eFPRcUZfC4GwkQ6MwFfq5XA== =iUR2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oIIvqKxpH6hdyUknz2vMGx6UWWx1JONS0-- From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 28 14:55:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A211F76112 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:55:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=1.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yXmCrFK8Ib3F for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1124C760DB for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mac.slint.net (unknown [78.192.176.99]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582C578038E for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:56:05 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> <522a53ff-9f35-8136-abec-3e9f763a4911@slint.fr> <9b464525-ecfa-1c6c-108d-a8904122f8bb@GMAIL.COM> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <9723d73c-0146-2536-3ba4-ce48938ce4e2@slint.fr> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:56:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9b464525-ecfa-1c6c-108d-a8904122f8bb@GMAIL.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:56:00 -0000 Hi Jace, answering inline Le 28/11/2019 à 15:39, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list a écrit : > Adding to this, for me exporting the variable worked in Ubuntu LTS then adding the flags to the launcher. > > So, Joany's on vacation so this isn't aimed at her (but enjoy your vacation Joany and a happy turkey day), but once it's in the stable version, theoretically would I not need those flags and variable set or...? I think its to be decided by the packager rather than by upstream. FYI I just provided a testing package for Slint that makes the settings during installation, cf.: slint.fr/blog > Also, should I get in touch with other Chromium-based browsers to see about adding the Orca support in them or... I don't know which ones are in concern, but I assume that it would be good to wait until a a stable Chromium release with the Orca integration be released, not to duplicate efforts. > On 28/11/2019 13:31, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Joanie wrote it here: >> >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >> >> Best regards, >> >> Didier >> >> Le 28/11/19 à 14:25, Vojtěch Šmiro via orca-list a écrit : >>> Hello. >>> >>> How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Vojta. Best, Didier From vsmiro@seznam.cz Thu Nov 28 15:16:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F603760DB for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:16:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.301 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82nt7DGq60W0 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxa1.seznam.cz (mxa1.seznam.cz [77.75.78.90]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C8D376112 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc5b.ko.seznam.cz (email-smtpc5b.ko.seznam.cz [10.53.13.135]) id 11b3fa80042ba9da10590b9c; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:16:18 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1574954178; bh=TJCXb5uQ5LEmg8rJhvTb2GqOAQNKiOoYrOW7+Y27zRc=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Language; b=Q4gdyiXpcSx4bNAJmU1fDvK1qQ6aEpvBqafYyCoxa5LVPYCJg/ZS9UrOg2iFtu0r3 sml6/1R6VRlnGgyL1/kHof7egsNxbWPjTWeQEgHdiQYR1omXIdqqTfi4DbNs5KzWM7 Kde9GEoVt2TLYtAFM8Y1cS6KjO8O+bvvzYFd3fpU= Received: from [192.168.1.118] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay8.ko.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.108) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:16:15 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> <9f1a6b03-6c53-d507-c42c-e48ddd965a5e@googlemail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= Message-ID: <4cddedbf-db3b-ef64-53d2-6b0be5985993@seznam.cz> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:16:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9f1a6b03-6c53-d507-c42c-e48ddd965a5e@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: cs Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:16:14 -0000 Hello. OK, but how? Please write it step by step. Thanks. Best regards Vojta. Dne 28. 11. 19 v 14:29 Werwoelfchen via orca-list napsal(a): > Hi, > the right option is: > --force-renderer-accessibility > after the path to the chrome starter. You can also use this option in > the command of a desktop entry. > Greetings, > Wolfram > > Vojtěch Šmiro via orca-list schrieb: >> Hello. >> >> >> How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it >> must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. >> >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> >> Best regards >> >> >> Vojta. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From vsmiro@seznam.cz Thu Nov 28 15:20:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B4476112 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:20:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.301 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HbViw27XXOBc for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxa2.seznam.cz (mxa2.seznam.cz [77.75.76.90]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E045F760DB for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc1a.ng.seznam.cz (email-smtpc1a.ng.seznam.cz [10.23.10.15]) id 10bdfcb40525afee11570da8; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:20:22 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1574954422; bh=wQMudgBREDpxTz0yAKkHqvSSYA8noDDM9Bmgldc9l2o=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Language; b=LBRHjjelrkJP57mQZVF0hrgkxD7tYO6a5A5/v3N+WO44qmm1/zgLi5ZH40oAMFg1J dEXqV3mgcVJmGwXA0s9iQJPnJKytBuX9E+Q4yrPKpaGw6UQ68TGw/u8zMuSj5zb1WX h+x6ASeZz9krC3lIKWh/znM02rTikdBYf0pv2l9E= Received: from [192.168.1.118] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay22.ng.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.108) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:20:20 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> <9f1a6b03-6c53-d507-c42c-e48ddd965a5e@googlemail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= Message-ID: <1ac30439-afee-8e02-8595-c5180f2db6e7@seznam.cz> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:20:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9f1a6b03-6c53-d507-c42c-e48ddd965a5e@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: cs Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:20:17 -0000 Hello. It works, that's great. My friend Libor helped me. Thanks a lot. Best regards Vojta. Dne 28. 11. 19 v 14:29 Werwoelfchen via orca-list napsal(a): > Hi, > the right option is: > --force-renderer-accessibility > after the path to the chrome starter. You can also use this option in > the command of a desktop entry. > Greetings, > Wolfram > > Vojtěch Šmiro via orca-list schrieb: >> Hello. >> >> >> How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it >> must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. >> >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> >> Best regards >> >> >> Vojta. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From covici@ccs.covici.com Thu Nov 28 16:15:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B7B76178 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:15:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kBnsY-QsCvhB for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from covici.com (debian-2.covici.com [172.104.21.222]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90D0E76173 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (ccs.covici.com [70.109.53.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id xASGEOSh014173 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:14:56 -0500 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xASGECYa3050197 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:14:12 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id xASGEBjY3050196; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:14:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan Cc: orca-list In-Reply-To: <83e8a7af-7456-21b0-35d5-9f90023dea86@poczta.onet.pl> References: <612b8bb4-b3d6-6146-c7ae-f83e5afc41fc@poczta.onet.pl> <83e8a7af-7456-21b0-35d5-9f90023dea86@poczta.onet.pl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] vscode and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:15:20 -0000 I guess I am out of luck, I either have to compile from source or something, my version is 2.0.17. On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 04:33:59 -0500, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: >=20 > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > I used current vscode master from git: > http://github.com/microsoft/vscode.git > Electron version is 7.0.0, it still has the bug that causes control not > to silent speech in dialogs like save dialog... annoying, but... > Also it is not connected to extensions gallery so that you will have > problems installing c# extension, like will not be easy. > I also do not know how to package vscode instead of running from source. > I will most likely find some way shortly to do both. >=20 > W dniu 28.11.2019 o=A008:05, John Covici pisze: > > This would be nice, what versions of what software do I need for this > > and what additional patches do I need after that? I am using gentoo > > distribution, so I may have some versions already that may work. > >=20 > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > >=20 > > On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:21:18 -0500, > > Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > >> > >> [1 ] > >> [1.1 ] > >> [1.1.1 ] > >> Hello, > >> Just tried again to test vscode and orca. > >> Had to patch vscode to electron7 and manually install extensions, > >> however... yes, that works! > >> It is a bit buggy but not very much and I am aware of the facts that > >> some of these bugs are already fixed in newer chromium/orca, so I do n= ot > >> have the latest and greatest experience, but that doesn't change my > >> impressions. > >> I believe that in some respect it is more accessible than eclipse. And > >> definitely faster, although I miss some features, but that is vscode > >> related thing. > >> Thanks for the good work! Finally i have some linux editor for dotnet.= .. > >> > >> [1.2 OpenPGP digital signature ] > >> No public key for 991C683D99C814F9 created at 2019-11-27T19:21:18-0500= using RSA > >> [2 ] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/= stable/a11y.html > >=20 >=20 > [2 OpenPGP digital signature ] > No public key for 991C683D99C814F9 created at 2019-11-28T04:33:59-0500 us= ing RSA --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? 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So far, so good. --0000000000003e52f905986b239c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Hi,

I am only checking to make sure GMail works in Chrome with Orca and Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. So far, so good.

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[77.13.83.214]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h124sm11671722wme.30.2019.11.28.10.54.24 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:54:25 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> <522a53ff-9f35-8136-abec-3e9f763a4911@slint.fr> <9b464525-ecfa-1c6c-108d-a8904122f8bb@GMAIL.COM> From: Werwoelfchen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 19:54:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9b464525-ecfa-1c6c-108d-a8904122f8bb@GMAIL.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 18:54:20 -0000 yes. it worked for me. Jace Kattalakis via orca-list schrieb: > Adding to this, for me exporting the variable worked in Ubuntu LTS > then adding the flags to the launcher. > > So, Joany's on vacation so this isn't aimed at her (but enjoy your > vacation Joany and a happy turkey day), but once it's in the stable > version, theoretically would I not need those flags and variable set > or...? > > Also, should I get in touch with other Chromium-based browsers to see > about adding the Orca support in them or...? > > On 28/11/2019 13:31, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Joanie wrote it here: >> >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >> >> Best regards, >> >> Didier >> >> Le 28/11/19 à 14:25, Vojtěch Šmiro via orca-list a écrit : >>> Hello. >>> >>> How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it >>> must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Vojta. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 29 14:47:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8B876115 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W89MM36EKrJO for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [178.60.130.6]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5906F76114 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:47:19 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=mMqw47S0ZCu7WMtGTUheGGnlxZox97qqEsBhfVVUB/c=; b=Jp1eopan/lMGHhS1TedryMp6wUY9lKCEhHRuMMPaCC2vfAyb4tA+2pCO9Kmd8SM4S31++hTGCC/+TIv7NSJBxXm98lWbyV6UbcdhpQhlez9sae0wfHLPe+YfCY/ZXb+OXwHR6RYkOHc3liRPeLlxC8K8dkvSxWTRKyEJSy8ydHuzB2YoDU7zmtnF7xDurjROZcG38XmmkQwm0w6Hl3WfV+TsSmWdvY5MMEVU+GNVSuPd9K2zdlk2Ktqeqm6g1jc95huK5JY7Ty7Z+GXI0IgLsCKsTPjx2RrM6tYO+1DUhcqwnR2YITEkP4cerUvOe602SBLxcM8HDJZ4W0K4RGSRfg==; Received: from c-73-47-238-112.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.47.238.112] helo=[192.168.35.103]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1iahYN-0003o2-AJ; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 15:47:27 +0100 To: Jace Kattalakis , orca-list@gnome.org References: <959b3f6c-d489-7c65-a0b7-817c7ae4fef8@seznam.cz> <522a53ff-9f35-8136-abec-3e9f763a4911@slint.fr> <9b464525-ecfa-1c6c-108d-a8904122f8bb@GMAIL.COM> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:48:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/72.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9b464525-ecfa-1c6c-108d-a8904122f8bb@GMAIL.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to turn on Google chrome accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:47:24 -0000 The accessibility support that's in Chromium should automatically work in all Chromium-based browsers. It's just a matter of waiting for those browsers to update to a version of Chromium with accessibility support. --joanie On 11/28/19 09:39, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote: > Adding to this, for me exporting the variable worked in Ubuntu LTS then > adding the flags to the launcher. > > So, Joany's on vacation so this isn't aimed at her (but enjoy your > vacation Joany and a happy turkey day), but once it's in the stable > version, theoretically would I not need those flags and variable set or...? > > Also, should I get in touch with other Chromium-based browsers to see > about adding the Orca support in them or...? > > On 28/11/2019 13:31, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Joanie wrote it here: >> >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Chromium >> >> Best regards, >> >> Didier >> >> Le 28/11/19 à 14:25, Vojtěch Šmiro via orca-list a écrit : >>> Hello. >>> >>> How to set Google chrome accessibility to 1? Someone wrote here, it >>> must be set from 0 to 1 in some file. >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Vojta. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html From janina@rednote.net Sat Nov 30 12:14:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1026276113 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:14:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4_yHpbtBiU9j for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 225E47610A for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xAUCEG8r012075 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:14:16 GMT DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 opera.rednote.net xAUCEG8r012075 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1575116056; bh=BYC30x6I8dUYdgZ83Xp9aQlUK7fv925PVIMvsVkp3C0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=YDC3HWeXVd6KOvcPoQQ/IHNZ2JuMF3T+Bqr75z4CBX1Ihjp/G2x8TFvc4IwekZjDy fq7zAYoDmsAwQI9KwF6q4QR1twRYVaGHtW61+qgOh0xLaT8s4swLcxFwghXuyANU0I IJE3kgHqb9WgkX94j//lS6IJyoxrzv1lbhU/M/ag= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id xAUCEG6v012074 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 07:14:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 07:14:16 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20191130121416.GB2970@rednote.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 5.0.17-300.fc30.x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Subject: [orca-list] Possible Bug: Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:14:10 -0000 Hi, Joanie: I may have found a flaw whilst using Amazon shopping the past few days. Amazon uses a "More Details" label for some kind of pop up help that drives Orca plus Chromium batty. * Speech becomes very unresponsive * That makes all the sense in the world, because when I go to a * root console and do: ps -t tty1 |grep -i chrome |wc -l I get like 15 or 17 instances. I do not see this problem using Firefox. Let me know how to provide better info if interested. I should note that the Orca plus Chromium I'm using are as of last Saturday 23 November. I have not updated since, but am about to do so. Best, Janina -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa From kd7cyu@gmail.com Sat Nov 30 19:27:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FC576114 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, RBL_SORBS_SPAM_NEW=1.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sXLG0VfxVLyc for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg1-f195.google.com (mail-pg1-f195.google.com [209.85.215.195]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4BB876112 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg1-f195.google.com with SMTP id l24so7606459pgk.2 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 11:27:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:reply-to:to:subject:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=15nW5sbkgL8FZSZnGha0db2ZqUBvyqFF+l7EZZwW0oE=; b=rZXmnEMiLD4sfS3NG5Nya3qc2KfYrrba0dHWpypp58fv30itp9cmg8muAoOCqboOhu hTzFwt0wHEVucyzkhrQBJ8QJ9X6CdyCq2Gqm8CGUNc3gfo47Pn0hfwatTLE4NlzQaAZ8 PCnPzx2ZgxKf+B+NRjPhwGhwvKHczZnMEkHRDhXJjO0dWz9d7IF0vIKw0vRWk+aq+A2N 6XZ4XRTZdq1/mvDHiqDmQq39mrAQl4OVolShtP0+dT9bblDtiN6fn2yHt8B6N5oou9iV /g4XwRrfDW7H/YajdawCQN9LjH4wgDXuCNU+lW0YD1ch6IrlrNSlS3+bhNS2GPrVPMcr 3N7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=15nW5sbkgL8FZSZnGha0db2ZqUBvyqFF+l7EZZwW0oE=; b=TmeZJtsrMAIrzT2v+Zg7XwzaXhHyZ/YGIiEWgq+/MLrE/oHmdorKWWZfCby3WXrzRj +icZHMPTHpo4butzvfBj812AudRl7ALOg7DbKwuQQoZ0JYkySIz7RAmnCXO10yNPiYNy ABvQS6iTjUwU0oTU3w0sc4YyJEY+WRdguvIYnDf42SaIbjcAfmm0eknDxwzl7jnWZGSn A/dyyBP972VYrSMwdvOuzXsW6GnP+IvT+78kCYEV4eTRIa0DSHF0lm++EqvyJm9EtB2s xlRrR0XnldTK/Pa6lwQ+Tt0ocp1+ee4iL+CL/890wTpjNDfgVp9pYLkNCty5/kkQyxe7 aH7w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWAW2vADS9kzDI6YmQqIGRnHVxGl+laojk4LcYE6tT7HGHq5sdt zXbcsqKNvc7DtVaaF83MQHGt3BnC X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwFuhbxHfW+Zaxwje6TyxAzXMqxpuowD9+9MEmZEDJfgdBTSWJFiZ6VZmvvZgIvoxq8tnhHsg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:3089:: with SMTP id w131mr2262457pgw.453.1575142027370; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 11:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom-M2800 (72-160-86-209.dyn.centurytel.net. [72.160.86.209]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i127sm15134876pfe.54.2019.11.30.11.27.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 30 Nov 2019 11:27:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 11:26:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@tom-M2800 Reply-To: kd7cyu@gmail.com To: orca-list@gnome.org, Blinux list Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (DEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [orca-list] OT: Braille graphics display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:27:01 -0000 Since it is off topic please reply off list. I am looking for any information on any functioning display capable of showing tactile graphics. I have found several articles on groups working on this but nothing definite that has made it to a point of even being out for testing. Thanks tom