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------=SPLITOR00A_001_116823343D-- From newren@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 01:48:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560D03B02C0 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28781-07 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6393B0175 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1264214uge for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.6 with SMTP id v6mr578630ugl; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:45:37 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.082 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.457, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.082 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:48:43 -0000 On 7/10/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on > what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I > missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? Also, we need to set up a time to meet so we can decide on the new modules and perhaps re-divide up tasks. Unfortunately, I'll be at a conference next week Monday-Friday and have no idea if/when I'll be in contact with the outside world. I won't know until about this time next week at the earliest. So, we can wait a week to try to set up the meeting, or just set it up now and if I miss it then I'm sure you guys can handle it. Thoughts? From newren@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 03:32:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252F03B0333 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30936-04 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FE63B0313 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1288130uge for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr572930ugg; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607102235h5108f95fq9ca63d808f7bfa18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:35:11 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Time to heat up the new modules discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.389 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.143, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.389 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:32:03 -0000 So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? Thanks, Elijah ************************************************* Hi everyone, As per the release schedule (http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen), it's time to heat up the module inclusion discussion. So, time to flame, argue, etc., etc. this week and see if we can reach consensus. The release team will try to meet next week about new module decisions with community input up to then so that the new modules can be announced in time for module freeze. We're actually optimistic enough (deluded enough?) to think we can make that deadline this time. :) So, to start of the discussion, the proposed modules AFAIR are: * orca (as a replacement to gnopernicus) * alacarte * gnome-power-manager * Tomboy * Gtk# There's one additional issue to address as well: * Okay to have desktop modules depend on gtk# bindings? Here's my biased guess (feel free to dispute) at where things stand: orca appears to be an uncontroversial choice with strong support, and which even the gnopernicus team is supporting. (There have been a number of threads and lots of comments; http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-June/msg00009.html seems like the best overview) There have not been many comments on alacarte; just a couple notes that looked like preliminary reviews in the thread where it was proposed (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00305.html). So we definitely need thoughts and comments from the community. gnome-power-manager seems to have lots of support and it appears it's getting picked up by all the major distributors (or already has been for some time now). Didn't find a clear overview email and there's been lots of threads. I guess http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00366.html works. Tomboy was proposed here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00253.html. Comments were very positive for the most part, but there are gtk# dependency issues that need to be resolved first (see e.g. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00332.html). gtk# was proposed here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00457.html. There was one big (IMO) issue, mentioned in the thread (namely, wrapping API which had no stability guarantee) And the big question: We currently allow desktop modules to depend on the pygtk bindings, but no others. Should we extend that to include the gtk# ones? From vincent@vuntz.net Tue Jul 11 12:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E687F3B01D8 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26630-02 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA843B0180 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7B4B911269D; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:55:49 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Some notes about 2.15.4 Message-ID: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.365 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_GT=0.077, TW_IB=0.077, TW_JH=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.365 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:20:48 -0000 Hey there, In case somebody else wants to hit his head against a wall^W^W^W^W^W smoketest 2.15.4, here are some quick notes from this afternoon (with the modulesets from http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.4/ ) + I didn't build ekiga, but it should be possible. We have to whitelist opal in the smoketest script, I guess + I still have a compiling issue in iso-codes, but I fix this by changing the lines causing an error to: p = make_parser(["drv_libxml2"]) + we need a new pygtk release or to use GTK+ < 2.10.0: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347185 + we need a patch for gnopernicus or ship with 1.0.4: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 + I had difficulties for system-tools-backend because I don't have the perl dbus bindings installed (and there's no package for dapper???). It will be fixed in the next tarball, but it doesn't block us from using the current one. + jhbuild doesn't seem to know that liboobs is required for gnome-system-tools + gnome-session requires a new gnome-control-center. New gnome-control-center means that we should use libxklavier 2.91. Which means that we need a new gnome-applets release. Yay for API changes :-) (AFAIK, maintainers are rolling tarballs for gnome-control-center and gnome-applets now) + looks like we'll need a new gnome-mag release since LT_VERSION is wrong (Frederic knows more about this) There are many tarballs that have been released after the deadline. I can't give a figure since the archives are broken... http://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2006-July/thread.html There are some changes (like the gnome-vfs ones) that would benefit from testing, so I'd like to use some of the late tarballs (if not all). What do you think? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. 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We have to whitelist > opal in the smoketest script, I guess > > + I still have a compiling issue in iso-codes, but I fix this by > changing the lines causing an error to: > p = make_parser(["drv_libxml2"]) > > + we need a new pygtk release or to use GTK+ < 2.10.0: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347185 > > + we need a patch for gnopernicus or ship with 1.0.4: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > > + I had difficulties for system-tools-backend because I don't have the > perl dbus bindings installed (and there's no package for dapper???). > It will be fixed in the next tarball, but it doesn't block us from > using the current one. > > + jhbuild doesn't seem to know that liboobs is required for > gnome-system-tools > > + gnome-session requires a new gnome-control-center. New > gnome-control-center means that we should use libxklavier 2.91. Which > means that we need a new gnome-applets release. Yay for API changes > :-) > (AFAIK, maintainers are rolling tarballs for gnome-control-center > and gnome-applets now) > > + looks like we'll need a new gnome-mag release since LT_VERSION is > wrong (Frederic knows more about this) We also need a libbonobo release, otherwise, we will break API/ABI because of the move of the gnome_vfs_mime* api from gnome-vfs to libbonobo. -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From vincent@vuntz.net Tue Jul 11 15:56:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CE73B044E; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03121-03; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62C33B021A; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 09074112698; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:17:38 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: gnome-menus branched for 2.14 Message-ID: <20060711121738.GA11677@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.144 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.371, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.827, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.144 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:25 -0000 Hi, I branched gnome-menus for GNOME 2.14. Branch name is gnome-2-14, as usual. I had to branch from a past version in CVS since the latest commits were not for GNOME 2.14, but for 2.15. This means that translations that have been committed to HEAD after 2005-04-26 for gnome-menus should be committed again on the gnome-2-14 branch. AFAICT, only gn, bn_IN and mr are affected. I don't know of any plans for gnome-menus: I'm just branching to release a 2.15.x release for alacarte ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From newren@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 01:32:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D293B008C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23131-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728913B0071 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so166111ugf for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr1445535ugl; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607111325g4c0be1ccj5953119983794de8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:25:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Frederic Crozat" Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 In-Reply-To: <1152635555.10477.38.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <1152635555.10477.38.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.383 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.137, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.383 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:32:14 -0000 On 7/11/06, Frederic Crozat wrote: > Le mardi 11 juillet 2006 =E0 17:55 +0200, Vincent Untz a =E9crit : > > Hey there, > > > > In case somebody else wants to hit his head against a wall^W^W^W^W^W > > smoketest 2.15.4, here are some quick notes from this afternoon (with > > the modulesets from http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.4/ ) Thanks for making this list, Vincent. I forwarded it on to d-d-l so we can hopefully get more eyes on the problems. > > > > + I didn't build ekiga, but it should be possible. We have to whitelis= t > > opal in the smoketest script, I guess Yeah, this was a moduleset issue. I updated the moduleset to include this, and partially updated the download script. Unfortunately, sourceforge sucks and automation is next to impossible currently with their problems, so opal and pwlib may have to be added by hand for the forseeable future. The same thing is true of libxklavier as well. Sucks, but... > We also need a libbonobo release, otherwise, we will break API/ABI > because of the move of the gnome_vfs_mime* api from gnome-vfs to > libbonobo. Can you add this to the d-d-l list I sent out, Frederic? From besfahbo@redhat.com Wed Jul 12 03:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE063B006F for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26533-08 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34783B0127 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6AN8QaF011243 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:08:26 -0400 Received: from pobox.toronto.redhat.com (pobox.toronto.redhat.com [172.16.14.4]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6AN8QVG003230 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:08:26 -0400 Received: from to-dhcp14.toronto.redhat.com (to-dhcp14.toronto.redhat.com [172.16.14.114]) by pobox.toronto.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6AN8Qve026035 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:08:26 -0400 Subject: Extension request for vte From: Behdad Esfahbod To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-zX95Oiti9igVy7lFpr0h" Organization: Red Hat, Inc. Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:08:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1152572906.18788.3.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.564 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.564 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:06:23 -0000 --=-zX95Oiti9igVy7lFpr0h Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi release teamers, I'd like to request a couple hours extension to release vte and gnome-terminal. I started cleaning up various selection issues in vte this afternoon and I'm about there, just wrapping up. It really helps to get this work in the release. gnome-terminal is ready for release, but depends on the to-be-released version of vte. So I'll release that right after releasing vte. Let me know, --=20 behdad http://behdad.org/ --=-zX95Oiti9igVy7lFpr0h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEst3pn+4E5dNTERURAsDfAJ9keXPt64+BnGPKBU6cPk+d4NSkZQCfbb9h rdA8IkT3831tdVm3ZFRNo1s= =eSW/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-zX95Oiti9igVy7lFpr0h-- From fcrozat@mandriva.com Wed Jul 12 06:38:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD183B0291 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02001-08 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from office.mandriva.com (ezoffice.mandriva.com [84.14.106.134]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BC53B026B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinidad.mandrakesoft.com (trinidad.mandrakesoft.com [192.168.100.216]) by office.mandriva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AE1481 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:49:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: Frederic Crozat To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607111325g4c0be1ccj5953119983794de8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <1152635555.10477.38.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> <51419b2c0607111325g4c0be1ccj5953119983794de8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Mandriva Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:49:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1152690559.22295.0.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3-10mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:38:33 -0000 Le mardi 11 juillet 2006 à 14:25 -0600, Elijah Newren a écrit : > On 7/11/06, Frederic Crozat wrote: > > We also need a libbonobo release, otherwise, we will break API/ABI > > because of the move of the gnome_vfs_mime* api from gnome-vfs to > > libbonobo. > > Can you add this to the d-d-l list I sent out, Frederic? No need for that anymore, kjartan did a release this night. -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jul 12 10:12:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D363B048C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11254-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779B33B04A6 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CCfVoR016449; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:41:31 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CCfVTR000824; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:41:31 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.175] (vpn83-175.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.175]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6CCfVX5011354; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:41:31 -0400 Subject: More po/LINGUAS fallout From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org, billh@sun.com Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:44:27 -0400 Message-Id: <1152708267.3048.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:12:55 -0000 at-spi 1.7.8 shipped without translations. Will it ever end ? Matthias From newren@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0513B01AF for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30707-03 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1463B0605 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so269611ugf for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.10 with SMTP id r10mr525469ugh; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607120904h78280937s67b44a52ebaedbe8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:04:26 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Matthias Clasen" Subject: Re: More po/LINGUAS fallout In-Reply-To: <1152708267.3048.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1152708267.3048.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.461 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.461 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, billh@sun.com X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:07:53 -0000 On 7/12/06, Matthias Clasen wrote: > at-spi 1.7.8 shipped without translations. > > Will it ever end ? Just took a new measure on d-d-l so that hopefully it will be. :) From vincent@vuntz.net Wed Jul 12 13:34:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522A13B01DF; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06023-05; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2D33B0493; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 77AB8112698; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:34:00 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 Message-ID: <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:34:08 -0000 Let's cc d-d-l. Please, everyone, let's make our lifes easier for the next release... I don't have any real figures, but a bunch of modules was released late, which is not helping for smoketesting. Le mardi 11 juillet 2006, à 17:55, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Hey there, > > In case somebody else wants to hit his head against a wall^W^W^W^W^W > smoketest 2.15.4, here are some quick notes from this afternoon (with > the modulesets from http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.4/ ) (I need to update the modulesets) Ah, this is probably one of the funniest release I made... Still ongoing, AFAIK: + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 + gnome-python will have a new release soon so that it compiles with latest gnome-vfs tarball. + gnome-settings-daemon crash at launch :-) (libxklavier bug) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346980 We can either disable the critical crashers for this release or find another funny solution. What's worrying me here is that it can mean nearly nobody is running CVS HEAD... + new at-spi release for po/LINGUAS fix? + should we include gnome-vfs-monikers in the release? I guess yes, but nobody added it to jhbuild, so we don't know if/where it's needed. + what about liboobs? gnome-system-tools depends on it. Is this being included in the desktop or is it a blessed dependency? I'd go with adding it to the desktop... 2.15.4 will not be released before tomorrow. Since the ftp-release-list archives don't work (or maybe the mails don't reach the list, I don't know), if you're releasing a tarball that we're waiting for for 2.15.4 (ie, gnopernicus, gnome-python, at-spi), please ping me so it can be used. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Wed Jul 12 15:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CB53B0354 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13018-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294F93B01A8 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 36825]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <27873-29978>; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:04 -0400 Message-ID: <44B54AE5.3040300@utoronto.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:17:57 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME 2 release team Subject: gok 1.1.1 released Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:18:13 -0000 I've just uploaded a gok-1.1.1.tar.gz intended from gnome 2.15.4 but I realize I am probably too late. Please ignore this release if it is troublesome. (just a bug fix release... no new strings) (Note I used intltool 0.35.0) cheers, David From vuntz@gnome.org Thu Jul 13 12:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902983B035F for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25187-02 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27693B04A1 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id A2F64112698; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50950.129.88.38.77.1152793944.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <44B54AE5.3040300@utoronto.ca> References: <44B54AE5.3040300@utoronto.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: gok 1.1.1 released From: "Vincent Untz" To: "David Bolter" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME 2 release team X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:28 -0000 Hi David, On Wed, July 12, 2006 21:17, David Bolter wrote: > I've just uploaded a gok-1.1.1.tar.gz intended from gnome 2.15.4 but I > realize I am probably too late. Please ignore this release if it is > troublesome. Thanks for this information. It's indeed too late for 2.15.4, but it's good to know about it :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From rd@baum.ro Thu Jul 13 12:53:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6514E3B039C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26193-02; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from main.baum.ro (dnt-gw-baum.dnttm.ro [83.103.190.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEC93B029F; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([82.77.32.51]) by main.baum.ro (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6DCDDGL001332; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:13:13 +0300 Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: remus draica To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:54:12 +0300 Message-Id: <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:53:55 -0000 On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:34 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > Last gnopernicus versions are 1.0.6 for gnome-2-14 branch and 1.1.0 for head. Regards, Remus From vincent@vuntz.net Thu Jul 13 12:56:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82A83B0468; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26063-08; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6849B3B0322; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A4CC112698; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:56:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:56:51 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: remus draica Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 Message-ID: <20060713125651.GC28420@vuntz.net> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:54 -0000 Hi Remus, Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 15:54, remus draica a écrit : > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:34 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > > > Last gnopernicus versions are 1.0.6 for gnome-2-14 branch and 1.1.0 for > head. Unfortunately, gnopernicus 1.1.0 doesn't build -- see the bug. So GNOME 2.15.4 will use 1.0.6. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From joseph_sacco@comcast.net Thu Jul 13 13:23:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CC43B056D; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27737-06; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.225.93]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25953B04E3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plantain.jesacco.com (c-24-218-44-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.44.63]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060713132322b1300h1ic9e>; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." To: remus draica In-Reply-To: <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-ZBm4/iB3EX7LlvDug4Wb" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:23:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1152797002.8757.20.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.625 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.393, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_KB=0.077, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -0.625 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, Vincent Untz , desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:26 -0000 --=-ZBm4/iB3EX7LlvDug4Wb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I patched gnopernicus-1.1.0 in GARNOME CVS-HEAD. See attachment. -Joseph ============================================================================= On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 15:54 +0300, remus draica wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:34 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > > > Last gnopernicus versions are 1.0.6 for gnome-2-14 branch and 1.1.0 for > head. > > Regards, > Remus > > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net --=-ZBm4/iB3EX7LlvDug4Wb Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=configure.in-bug-344695.patch Content-Type: text/x-patch; name=configure.in-bug-344695.patch; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- gnopernicus-1.1.0/configure.in- 2006-07-13 08:37:01.000000000 -0400 +++ gnopernicus-1.1.0/configure.in 2006-07-13 08:37:30.000000000 -0400 @@ -565,6 +565,7 @@ dnl | kbd_mouse | dnl +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBKE, \ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ) --- gnopernicus-1.1.0/configure- 2006-07-13 08:35:56.000000000 -0400 +++ gnopernicus-1.1.0/configure 2006-07-13 08:35:28.000000000 -0400 @@ -24136,10 +24136,12 @@ if test -n "$PKG_CONFIG"; then if test -n "$PKG_CONFIG" && \ { (echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors \"\\ + gtk+-2.0 >= \$GTK_REQUIRED \\ cspi-1.0 >= \$CSPI_REQUIRED \\ gconf-2.0 >= \$GCONF_REQUIRED \\ glib-2.0 >= \$GLIB_REQUIRED \"") >&5 ($PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ") 2>&5 @@ -24147,6 +24149,7 @@ echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$? = $ac_status" >&5 (exit $ac_status); }; then pkg_cv_LIBKE_CFLAGS=`$PKG_CONFIG --cflags "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED " 2>/dev/null` @@ -24159,10 +24162,12 @@ if test -n "$PKG_CONFIG"; then if test -n "$PKG_CONFIG" && \ { (echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors \"\\ + gtk+-2.0 >= \$GTK_REQUIRED \\ cspi-1.0 >= \$CSPI_REQUIRED \\ gconf-2.0 >= \$GCONF_REQUIRED \\ glib-2.0 >= \$GLIB_REQUIRED \"") >&5 ($PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ") 2>&5 @@ -24170,6 +24175,7 @@ echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$? = $ac_status" >&5 (exit $ac_status); }; then pkg_cv_LIBKE_LIBS=`$PKG_CONFIG --libs "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED " 2>/dev/null` @@ -24182,6 +24188,7 @@ if test $pkg_failed = yes; then LIBKE_PKG_ERRORS=`$PKG_CONFIG --errors-to-stdout --print-errors "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED "` @@ -24189,6 +24196,7 @@ echo "$LIBKE_PKG_ERRORS" 1>&5 { { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: Package requirements (\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ) were not met. @@ -24199,6 +24207,7 @@ to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details." >&5 echo "$as_me: error: Package requirements (\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ) were not met. --=-ZBm4/iB3EX7LlvDug4Wb-- From murrayc@murrayc.com Thu Jul 13 17:24:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9953B0185; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06897-07; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011BF3B00BB; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from noname (p5497CDCF.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.205.207]) by swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F39129A83; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm From: Murray Cumming To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:24:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.48 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.48 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:54 -0000 Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. Any objections? Here is the ChangeLog entry: 2006-07-13 Murray Cumming * libgnomevfs/libgnomevfsmm/mime-handlers.cc: * libgnomevfs/libgnomevfsmm/mime-handlers.h: Removed get_default_component(), get_short_list_components(), get_all_components(), id_in_component_list(), and id_list_from_component_list() because the underlying functions have been removed from gnome-vfs. This _is_ an ABI break, but we are taking this extraordinary step because it is very unlikely that anyone is using these methods, and in order to remove the dependency on Bonobo. get_default_component() was actually never implemented so it cannot have been used. If you really need to use these methods, you should use the underlying C functions, which have been moved to libbonobo. 1. Well, moved them into libbonobo with the dodgy excuse that anybody who uses it would already be using libbonobo, so they wouldn't notice anything. We noticed, however. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From newren@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:42:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743A13B03DA for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10496-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB5A3B01AE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so426551uge for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.17 with SMTP id s17mr374874ugg; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607131142s702ce166p1728ed0f059b7e79@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:42:50 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Murray Cumming" Subject: Re: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm In-Reply-To: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.459 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.459 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:53 -0000 On 7/13/06, Murray Cumming wrote: > Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much > forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break > ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, > and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. > > But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. > Any objections? None here; 1 of 2. Thanks, Elijah From rd@baum.ro Fri Jul 14 09:10:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD823B0596; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08621-09; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from main.baum.ro (dnt-gw-baum.dnttm.ro [83.103.190.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7AC3B0573; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([82.77.32.51]) by main.baum.ro (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6E8U4tr005025; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:30:04 +0300 Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: remus draica To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060713125651.GC28420@vuntz.net> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> <20060713125651.GC28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:11:03 +0300 Message-Id: <1152868264.9755.10.camel@gnopernicus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:42 -0000 On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 14:56 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > > > > > Last gnopernicus versions are 1.0.6 for gnome-2-14 branch and 1.1.0 for > > head. > > Unfortunately, gnopernicus 1.1.0 doesn't build -- see the bug. So GNOME > 2.15.4 will use 1.0.6. > When I checked, I saw that on head same issue is fixed. I didn't realize it was after 1.1.0 tarball release. Regards, Remus From vincent@vuntz.net Fri Jul 14 16:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850D53B0248; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29179-06; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC513B0103; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 744F2112698; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:45:21 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Murray Cumming Subject: Re: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm Message-ID: <20060714164521.GG28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:25 -0000 Hi Murray, Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 19:24, Murray Cumming a écrit : > Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much > forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break > ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, > and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. > > But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. > Any objections? I'm wondering about three things: + "This means that you may break API/ABI in the next schedule only if you create a new version of the API which is parallel-installable with the older version." http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleRequirements/PlaformBindings Is it possible to do this? + Forgetting about ABI, is it possible to keep the API (with some #define, maybe)? + If someone complains about this breaking an app, what will you do? Also, I'm still wondering if what the gnome-vfs maintainers did is okay with our API/ABI compatibility rules. It did break stuff (bindings :-)), so... Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From murrayc@murrayc.com Fri Jul 14 17:17:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91D33B03A6; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32068-04; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from swarthymail-a5.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156F3B0316; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from noname (p5497E22F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.226.47]) by swarthymail-a5.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD55109EA9; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm From: Murray Cumming To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060714164521.GG28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060714164521.GG28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:17:35 +0200 Message-Id: <1152897455.5737.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.48 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.48 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:43 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 18:45 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > Hi Murray, > > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 19:24, Murray Cumming a écrit : > > Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much > > forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break > > ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, > > and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. > > > > But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. > > Any objections? > > I'm wondering about three things: > > + "This means that you may break API/ABI in the next schedule only if > you create a new version of the API which is parallel-installable > with the older version." > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleRequirements/PlaformBindings > Is it possible to do this? That would make life difficult for a lot of people, because they'd have to port overt to the new ABI, waiting for packages to be deployed, etc, whereas I think the current small ABI break will actually affect nobody in the real world. > + Forgetting about ABI, is it possible to keep the API (with some > #define, maybe)? I could keep the functions, with empty implementations. > + If someone complains about this breaking an app, what will you do? Investigate and revert it necessary. > Also, I'm still wondering if what the gnome-vfs maintainers did is okay > with our API/ABI compatibility rules. It did break stuff (bindings :-)), > so... I think they should have asked you. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From vuntz@gnome.org Sun Jul 16 15:32:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032893B03B5; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19087-01; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7C3B035E; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECC2112698; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:32:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: New pessulus co-maintainer From: Vincent Untz To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:33:02 +0200 Message-Id: <1153063982.3680.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: robster@debian.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:32:53 -0000 Hi, At GUADEC, Rob Bradford proposed to help maintaining pessulus and I'm happy to give him this burden^Wopportunity. Please welcome him, hug him, etc. He will try to fix all my bugs and add some cool features. I'll continue to introduce bugs in the code to keep him active for some time. Rob, in case I forgot to send you this link: http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vuntz@gnome.org Tue Jul 18 14:19:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80953B00CF for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24159-04 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444EF3B008E for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 11BB8112693; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! From: "Vincent Untz" To: release-team@gnome.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.167 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.343, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775] X-Spam-Score: -2.167 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:19:17 -0000 On Tue, July 11, 2006 07:45, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 7/10/06, Elijah Newren wrote: >> So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on >> what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I >> missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? > > Also, we need to set up a time to meet so we can decide on the new > modules and perhaps re-divide up tasks. Unfortunately, I'll be at a > conference next week Monday-Friday and have no idea if/when I'll be in > contact with the outside world. I won't know until about this time > next week at the earliest. So, we can wait a week to try to set up > the meeting, or just set it up now and if I miss it then I'm sure you > guys can handle it. Thoughts? Hrm. I didn't notice this mail until today... So, now, we have waited a week. Elijah, are you still in contact with the outside world? :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vincent@vuntz.net Wed Jul 19 15:04:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629AC3B009A for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27674-07 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D04B3B0079 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0EF33112693; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:04:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:04:38 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! Message-ID: <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.167 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.342, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.167 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:04:43 -0000 Le mardi 18 juillet 2006, à 16:19, Vincent Untz a écrit : > On Tue, July 11, 2006 07:45, Elijah Newren wrote: > > On 7/10/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > >> So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on > >> what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I > >> missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? > > > > Also, we need to set up a time to meet so we can decide on the new > > modules and perhaps re-divide up tasks. Unfortunately, I'll be at a > > conference next week Monday-Friday and have no idea if/when I'll be in > > contact with the outside world. I won't know until about this time > > next week at the earliest. So, we can wait a week to try to set up > > the meeting, or just set it up now and if I miss it then I'm sure you > > guys can handle it. Thoughts? > > Hrm. I didn't notice this mail until today... So, now, we have waited a > week. Elijah, are you still in contact with the outside world? :-) No answer for now. Let's plan a meeting. Does Friday work for most people? I'd love to do it at 3PM UTC since it would make my life easier. What about you? :-) Agenda: + new modules decision + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) => remember to think about someone you'd recommend to replace you if you want to leave Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vincent@vuntz.net Wed Jul 19 15:07:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CFB3B00DA; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27972-01; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9983E3B009A; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C11A112693; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:07:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:07:23 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Murray Cumming Subject: Re: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm Message-ID: <20060719150723.GX28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060714164521.GG28420@vuntz.net> <1152897455.5737.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152897455.5737.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:28 -0000 Oops. I forgot the thread. Sorry about that. Le vendredi 14 juillet 2006, à 19:17, Murray Cumming a écrit : > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 18:45 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Hi Murray, > > > > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 19:24, Murray Cumming a écrit : > > > Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much > > > forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break > > > ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, > > > and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. > > > > > > But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. > > > Any objections? > > > > I'm wondering about three things: > > > > + "This means that you may break API/ABI in the next schedule only if > > you create a new version of the API which is parallel-installable > > with the older version." > > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleRequirements/PlaformBindings > > Is it possible to do this? > > That would make life difficult for a lot of people, because they'd have > to port overt to the new ABI, waiting for packages to be deployed, etc, > whereas I think the current small ABI break will actually affect nobody > in the real world. Ok. > > + Forgetting about ABI, is it possible to keep the API (with some > > #define, maybe)? > > I could keep the functions, with empty implementations. I don't know if this is useful, so I'll let this decision to you. But being API-stable sounds better than "we broke ABI and API" ;-) > > + If someone complains about this breaking an app, what will you do? > > Investigate and revert it necessary. Great. So 2/2 for this change. Thanks Murray, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From fcrozat@mandriva.com Wed Jul 19 15:18:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1652D3B013B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28324-10 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from office.mandriva.com (ezoffice.mandriva.com [84.14.106.134]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668A73B0086 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from trinidad.mandrakesoft.com (trinidad.mandrakesoft.com [192.168.100.216]) by office.mandriva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE4437C for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:18:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! From: Frederic Crozat To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Mandriva Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:18:02 +0200 Message-Id: <1153322282.3766.13.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3-10mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.361, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775] X-Spam-Score: -2.185 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:18:10 -0000 Le mercredi 19 juillet 2006 à 17:04 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Le mardi 18 juillet 2006, à 16:19, Vincent Untz a écrit : > > On Tue, July 11, 2006 07:45, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > On 7/10/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > > >> So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on > > >> what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I > > >> missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? > > > > > > Also, we need to set up a time to meet so we can decide on the new > > > modules and perhaps re-divide up tasks. Unfortunately, I'll be at a > > > conference next week Monday-Friday and have no idea if/when I'll be in > > > contact with the outside world. I won't know until about this time > > > next week at the earliest. So, we can wait a week to try to set up > > > the meeting, or just set it up now and if I miss it then I'm sure you > > > guys can handle it. Thoughts? > > > > Hrm. I didn't notice this mail until today... So, now, we have waited a > > week. Elijah, are you still in contact with the outside world? :-) > > No answer for now. Let's plan a meeting. Does Friday work for most > people? I'd love to do it at 3PM UTC since it would make my life easier. > What about you? :-) Fine with me (reminder, 3PM UTC == 1700 Paris time) ;) -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From newren@gmail.com Wed Jul 19 16:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857923B009A for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31762-09 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CEC3B008F for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so382510ugf for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr925996ugh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607190926k5e41cac2x6b0ead76d3cba89c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:26:43 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! In-Reply-To: <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.268 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.201, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.268 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:26:47 -0000 On 7/19/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le mardi 18 juillet 2006, =E0 16:19, Vincent Untz a =E9crit : > > Hrm. I didn't notice this mail until today... So, now, we have waited a > > week. Elijah, are you still in contact with the outside world? :-) Barely. I was able to kind of catch up with reading email on Monday, and responding to just a few of those. I've gotten buried further since then. > No answer for now. Let's plan a meeting. Does Friday work for most > people? I'd love to do it at 3PM UTC since it would make my life easier. > What about you? :-) Well, if I'm reading clocks right, 3PM UTC is 8AM pacific time, and that time looks as good as any. I currently think I should be able to make it to at least part of the meeting, but scheduling is so crazy that I don't know for sure. > Agenda: > + new modules decision > + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) > + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) > =3D> remember to think about someone you'd recommend to replace you if > you want to leave Looks good. May also want to cover: - Will the subversion migration (if it goes forward before 2.16) mess up the release schedule? - Do we have anyone on the line for writing release notes? - http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks is out of date at least as far as people to task matching. Do we want to try to re-divide things up? From vuntz@gnome.org Sat Jul 22 14:48:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEB53B017E for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24829-02 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BAF3B01A5 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876C011267D for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:48:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:48:54 +0200 Message-Id: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:48:34 -0000 Here are the minutes from yesterday's meeting. Feel free to slap me for errors :-) Attendance: =========== Frédéric Crozat Jeff Waugh Federico Mena-Quintero John Palmieri Elijah Newren Vincent Untz Missing: ======== Kjartan Maraas Luis Villa Agenda: ======= + new modules decision + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) + will the subversion migration (if it goes forward before 2.16) mess up the release schedule? + do we have anyone on the line for writing release notes? + http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks is out of date at least as far as people to task matching. Do we want to try to re-divide things up? New modules decision: ===================== + orca => full support from the community, even from the gnopernicus maintainers => we have to encourage orca people to make the migration as smooth as possible (and they're willing to do so) => IN => it probably means we dump gnopernicus + alacarte => users like it => some distributions (will) ship it => gsimple-menu-editor is far too simple => no issue with this module => we need to patch the apps to make use of it (gnome-panel patch available) => IN + gnome-power-manager => positive consensus => IN + gtk# (for the bindings suite) => positive consensus => need to split API/ABI (stable vs unstable) (think gnome-python, gnome-python-desktop) => IN if it can be splitted (or without splitting if there are solid concerns about doing so) + tomboy => we don't consider the use of gtk# in desktop for now => positive consensus => some issue wrt duplication with and/or import from sticky notes => Jeff proposes something else: don't accept it because it's cool and we want to encourage an outside ecosystem => Vincent disagrees about taking such a decision without knowing what the community thinks about it => decision: let Jeff send a mail about it, look what Alex thinks about it and see if there's a new consensus Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: =================================== Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. Subversion migration: ===================== It might be an issue if it takes a long time (blocking releases, eg). Jeff wants to push for postponing the migration to after 2.16, so this would not be an issue. Getting new people: =================== Luis will probably want to leave the team. We need to ping him so he finds a new member. Anybody else wanting to leave? Writing release notes: ====================== We'll find someone by mail. http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks ============================================ Feeling that it will never be uptodate. But we can try updating it :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vuntz@gnome.org Sat Jul 22 14:58:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84023B00EB for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25359-06 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0730B3B00F0 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354AC11267D for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:58:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:59:09 +0200 Message-Id: <1153594749.1244.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:58:47 -0000 (Luis: there's a ping for you in there :-)) On sam, 2006-07-22 at 20:48 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > New modules decision: > ===================== We probably want to send a mail to devel-announce-list about this. Any volunteer? (I'll do it later if nobody has done it) [...] > + gtk# (for the bindings suite) > => positive consensus > => need to split API/ABI (stable vs unstable) (think gnome-python, > gnome-python-desktop) > => IN if it can be splitted (or without splitting if there are solid > concerns about doing so) Looks like Mike is not fond of splitting. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-July/msg00529.html We need to reply here. > + tomboy > => we don't consider the use of gtk# in desktop for now > => positive consensus > => some issue wrt duplication with and/or import from sticky notes > => Jeff proposes something else: don't accept it because it's cool > and we want to encourage an outside ecosystem > => Vincent disagrees about taking such a decision without knowing > what the community thinks about it > => decision: let Jeff send a mail about it, look what Alex thinks > about it and see if there's a new consensus My current feeling is that people don't agree with Jeff right now. A lot of people probably didn't have time to reply, though. > Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: > =================================== > Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. So, we might have to take a decision soon. I do not see any consensus in the community here :/ My personal opinion is that I'd like to see one release with gtk# in the bindings before doing so (to see if everything works fine). [...] > Getting new people: > =================== > Luis will probably want to leave the team. We need to ping him so he > finds a new member. Luis: ping :-) > Anybody else wanting to leave? > > Writing release notes: > ====================== > We'll find someone by mail. Any volunteer to ping marketing-list, or someone in particular? > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks > ============================================ > Feeling that it will never be uptodate. But we can try updating it :-) Any volunteer? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From luis.villa@gmail.com Sat Jul 22 15:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5512F3B00F0 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25616-01 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6684B3B01A5 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1816969ugf for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.22.2 with SMTP id z2mr1932295ugi; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.3 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:02:28 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) In-Reply-To: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:02:32 -0000 I thought I left r-t for all except 'I'll skim the mailing list' purposes, like, ages ago? :) On 7/22/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > Here are the minutes from yesterday's meeting. > > Feel free to slap me for errors :-) > > Attendance: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Fr=E9d=E9ric Crozat > Jeff Waugh > Federico Mena-Quintero > John Palmieri > Elijah Newren > Vincent Untz > > Missing: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Kjartan Maraas > Luis Villa > > Agenda: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > + new modules decision > + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) > + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) > + will the subversion migration (if it goes forward before 2.16) > mess up the release schedule? > + do we have anyone on the line for writing release notes? > + http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks is out of date at > least as far as people to task matching. Do we want to try to > re-divide things up? > > New modules decision: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > + orca > =3D> full support from the community, even from the gnopernicus > maintainers > =3D> we have to encourage orca people to make the migration as smooth > as possible (and they're willing to do so) > =3D> IN > =3D> it probably means we dump gnopernicus > > + alacarte > =3D> users like it > =3D> some distributions (will) ship it > =3D> gsimple-menu-editor is far too simple > =3D> no issue with this module > =3D> we need to patch the apps to make use of it (gnome-panel patch > available) > =3D> IN > > + gnome-power-manager > =3D> positive consensus > =3D> IN > > + gtk# (for the bindings suite) > =3D> positive consensus > =3D> need to split API/ABI (stable vs unstable) (think gnome-python, > gnome-python-desktop) > =3D> IN if it can be splitted (or without splitting if there are soli= d > concerns about doing so) > > + tomboy > =3D> we don't consider the use of gtk# in desktop for now > =3D> positive consensus > =3D> some issue wrt duplication with and/or import from sticky notes > =3D> Jeff proposes something else: don't accept it because it's cool > and we want to encourage an outside ecosystem > =3D> Vincent disagrees about taking such a decision without knowing > what the community thinks about it > =3D> decision: let Jeff send a mail about it, look what Alex thinks > about it and see if there's a new consensus > > Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. > > Subversion migration: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > It might be an issue if it takes a long time (blocking releases, eg). > Jeff wants to push for postponing the migration to after 2.16, so this > would not be an issue. > > Getting new people: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Luis will probably want to leave the team. We need to ping him so he > finds a new member. > Anybody else wanting to leave? > > Writing release notes: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > We'll find someone by mail. > > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Feeling that it will never be uptodate. But we can try updating it :-) > > Vincent > > -- > Les gens heureux ne sont pas press=E9s. > > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From luis.villa@gmail.com Sat Jul 22 15:04:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F363B031E for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25616-04 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE963B0268 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1817368ugf for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr1933191ugl; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.3 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440607221204m1d9a1672ya900734eaf6f00e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:25 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) In-Reply-To: <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:04:28 -0000 November 7th of '05, to be specific, I said I was nothing but a lurker :) Luis On 7/22/06, Luis Villa wrote: > I thought I left r-t for all except 'I'll skim the mailing list' > purposes, like, ages ago? :) > > On 7/22/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Here are the minutes from yesterday's meeting. > > > > Feel free to slap me for errors :-) > > > > Attendance: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Fr=E9d=E9ric Crozat > > Jeff Waugh > > Federico Mena-Quintero > > John Palmieri > > Elijah Newren > > Vincent Untz > > > > Missing: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Kjartan Maraas > > Luis Villa > > > > Agenda: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > + new modules decision > > + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) > > + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) > > + will the subversion migration (if it goes forward before 2.16) > > mess up the release schedule? > > + do we have anyone on the line for writing release notes? > > + http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks is out of date at > > least as far as people to task matching. Do we want to try to > > re-divide things up? > > > > New modules decision: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > + orca > > =3D> full support from the community, even from the gnopernicus > > maintainers > > =3D> we have to encourage orca people to make the migration as smoo= th > > as possible (and they're willing to do so) > > =3D> IN > > =3D> it probably means we dump gnopernicus > > > > + alacarte > > =3D> users like it > > =3D> some distributions (will) ship it > > =3D> gsimple-menu-editor is far too simple > > =3D> no issue with this module > > =3D> we need to patch the apps to make use of it (gnome-panel patch > > available) > > =3D> IN > > > > + gnome-power-manager > > =3D> positive consensus > > =3D> IN > > > > + gtk# (for the bindings suite) > > =3D> positive consensus > > =3D> need to split API/ABI (stable vs unstable) (think gnome-python= , > > gnome-python-desktop) > > =3D> IN if it can be splitted (or without splitting if there are so= lid > > concerns about doing so) > > > > + tomboy > > =3D> we don't consider the use of gtk# in desktop for now > > =3D> positive consensus > > =3D> some issue wrt duplication with and/or import from sticky note= s > > =3D> Jeff proposes something else: don't accept it because it's coo= l > > and we want to encourage an outside ecosystem > > =3D> Vincent disagrees about taking such a decision without knowing > > what the community thinks about it > > =3D> decision: let Jeff send a mail about it, look what Alex thinks > > about it and see if there's a new consensus > > > > Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. > > > > Subversion migration: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > It might be an issue if it takes a long time (blocking releases, eg). > > Jeff wants to push for postponing the migration to after 2.16, so this > > would not be an issue. > > > > Getting new people: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Luis will probably want to leave the team. We need to ping him so he > > finds a new member. > > Anybody else wanting to leave? > > > > Writing release notes: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > We'll find someone by mail. > > > > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Feeling that it will never be uptodate. But we can try updating it :-) > > > > Vincent > > > > -- > > Les gens heureux ne sont pas press=E9s. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > release-team mailing list > > release-team@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > > > From vuntz@gnome.org Sat Jul 22 15:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7AC3B0093 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25805-04 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7E03B017E for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDEA11267D for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:10:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:10:27 +0200 Message-Id: <1153595427.1244.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:10:05 -0000 On sam, 2006-07-22 at 15:02 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > I thought I left r-t for all except 'I'll skim the mailing list' > purposes, like, ages ago? :) So, who's replacing you? :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From jdub@waugh.id.au Sat Jul 22 19:28:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A973B0266 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03585-03 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976DD3B01C7 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E4E3D996 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:28:23 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 17D114235; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:28:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:28:11 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) Message-ID: <20060722232811.GQ1705@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: release-team@gnome.org References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1153594749.1244.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1153594749.1244.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 Reply-By: Wed Jul 26 09:27:14 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 09:27:14 up 18 days, 2:44, 7 users, load average: 1.01, 1.03, 1.03 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:28:25 -0000 > > Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: > > =================================== > > Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. > > So, we might have to take a decision soon. I do not see any consensus in > the community here :/ This is a much bigger issue than release team - I don't think we can, or should, make a decision about this. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Perl: Making thick Windows admins redundant since 1987. From kaffeetisch@gmx.de Sun Jul 23 06:56:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5043B0010 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31119-02 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D42E3B000E for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Jul 2006 10:56:11 -0000 Received: from port-212-202-210-236.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) [212.202.210.236] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 12:56:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #2092818 Subject: Gtk2-Perl 2.15.90 From: Torsten Schoenfeld To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:56:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1153652171.7232.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:56:14 -0000 Aloha, the tarballs that make up Gtk2-Perl 2.15.90 can be found at /home/users/tsch/gtk2-perl/2.15.90 on master.gnome.org. -- Bye, -Torsten From vuntz@gnome.org Sun Jul 23 11:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FB13B00F6; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09783-05; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACF13B00B0; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5F111267D; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:07:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-panel (finally) branched for 2.14 From: Vincent Untz To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:08:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1153667291.1244.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:07:53 -0000 Hi all, gnome-panel has been branched for 2.14. The 2.14 branch is gnome-2-14. HEAD is for 2.15/2.16. There's no known plans. Yet :-) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From dsandras@seconix.com Mon Jul 24 06:04:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDDC3B008A for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20236-07 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net (ekiga.net [213.186.62.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD643B0091 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B767183C21; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:59:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns20085.ovh.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14793-06; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.123.100] (124.116-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.116.124]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B38283C1E; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 From: Damien Sandras To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:08:42 +0200 Message-Id: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at gnomemeeting.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: Cc: jpuydt@free.fr X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:04:38 -0000 Hello, I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). Thank you, -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone: http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ FOSDEM 2006 : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras@ekiga.net sip:600000@ekiga.net From vincent@vuntz.net Mon Jul 24 06:46:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8663B0007 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22187-06 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D153B0091 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B6176112685; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:46:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:46:13 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Damien Sandras Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 Message-ID: <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, jpuydt@free.fr X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:46:17 -0000 Hi Damien, Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:08, Damien Sandras a écrit : > Hello, > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? This gives you more time for a rocking 2.2.0 release :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From dsandras@seconix.com Mon Jul 24 06:52:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930963B00A6; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22636-02; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net (ekiga.net [213.186.62.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87EA3B0007; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2AC83C25; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:48:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns20085.ovh.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02667-09; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:47:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.123.100] (unknown [80.201.116.124]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497B283C1E; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:47:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 From: Damien Sandras To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:56:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at gnomemeeting.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, jpuydt@free.fr X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:52:40 -0000 Hi Vincent, Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 12:46 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Hi Damien, > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:08, Damien Sandras a écrit : > > Hello, > > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are > > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. > > > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). > > Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the > gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? > Yes :) > This gives you more time for a rocking 2.2.0 release :-) > Indeed, be prepared for some huge changes ;-) > Vincent > -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone: http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ FOSDEM 2006 : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras@ekiga.net sip:600000@ekiga.net From vincent@vuntz.net Mon Jul 24 06:56:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D30E3B0133; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22859-02; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB403B012F; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C75F0112685; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:56:19 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Damien Sandras Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 Message-ID: <20060724105619.GJ9665@vuntz.net> References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, jpuydt@free.fr, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:56:22 -0000 Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:56, Damien Sandras a écrit : > Hi Vincent, > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 12:46 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > > Hi Damien, > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:08, Damien Sandras a écrit : > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are > > > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. > > > > > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). > > > > Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the > > gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? > > > > Yes :) I updated the moduleset. I guess translators (and doc people?) will also be interested to learn about this :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From rosechr@gmail.com Mon Jul 24 08:10:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D089A3B00D8 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27099-09 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A912C3B022E for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y38so1392535nfb for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.170.17 with SMTP id s17mr1452633hue; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.125.15 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0607240510r35251811k1ecd923ea2941662@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:10:00 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Vincent Untz" , "Damien Sandras" Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 In-Reply-To: <20060724105619.GJ9665@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> <20060724105619.GJ9665@vuntz.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 43d48803a482aba3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, jpuydt@free.fr, gnome-doc-list , gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:10:03 -0000 On 7/24/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, =E0 12:56, Damien Sandras a =E9crit : > > Hi Vincent, > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 =E0 12:46 +0200, Vincent Untz a =E9crit : > > > Hi Damien, > > > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, =E0 12:08, Damien Sandras a =E9crit : > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we a= re > > > > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNO= ME. > > > > > > > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). > > > > > > Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the > > > gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? > > > > > > > Yes :) > > I updated the moduleset. I guess translators (and doc people?) will also > be interested to learn about this :-) Oh yes, very much indeed. I guess I should interpret this as in "translators should translate the gnome-2-14 branch of ekiga also for GNOME 2.16, instead of HEAD"? That's at least how I changed the translation status pages now. Christian From dsandras@seconix.com Mon Jul 24 08:30:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFB13B0105; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28543-09; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net (ekiga.net [213.186.62.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1633B008C; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9015183C21; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:26:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns20085.ovh.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21638-08; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.123.100] (124.116-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.116.124]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A231C83C22; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 From: Damien Sandras To: Christian Rose In-Reply-To: <97da516f0607240510r35251811k1ecd923ea2941662@mail.gmail.com> References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> <20060724105619.GJ9665@vuntz.net> <97da516f0607240510r35251811k1ecd923ea2941662@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:34:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1153744492.9842.2.camel@golgoth01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at gnomemeeting.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.459 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.459 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, Vincent Untz , jpuydt@free.fr, gnome-doc-list , gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:30:38 -0000 Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 14:10 +0200, Christian Rose a écrit : > On 7/24/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:56, Damien Sandras a écrit : > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 12:46 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > > > > Hi Damien, > > > > > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:08, Damien Sandras a écrit : > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are > > > > > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. > > > > > > > > > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). > > > > > > > > Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the > > > > gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? > > > > > > > > > > Yes :) > > > > I updated the moduleset. I guess translators (and doc people?) will also > > be interested to learn about this :-) > > Oh yes, very much indeed. I guess I should interpret this as in > "translators should translate the gnome-2-14 branch of ekiga also for > GNOME 2.16, instead of HEAD"? > > That's at least how I changed the translation status pages now. Exactly :) Thanks, -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone: http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ FOSDEM 2006 : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras@ekiga.net sip:600000@ekiga.net From pborelli@katamail.com Mon Jul 24 11:31:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB10B3B00B6; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06341-01; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-7a.inet.it (fe-7a.inet.it [213.92.5.113]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABF93B0017; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host232-46.pool8258.interbusiness.it ([::ffff:82.58.46.232]) by fe-7a.inet.it via I-SMTP-5.4.3-545 id ::ffff:82.58.46.232+D1vwsJRFT381; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:31:10 +0200 Subject: gtksourceview branched From: Paolo Borelli To: release-team@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:31:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1153755066.5489.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20060724153111.201980@host232-46.pool8258.interbusiness.it> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.276 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.521, BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.276 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:31:15 -0000 Hi, gtksourceview has been finally branched for gnome 2.14. No new features are planned, the branch has been done just to add some new .lang files which add some translatable strings. In case someone is wondering if there are exciting new features planned on the longer term, yes: a brand new gtksourceview with more powerful highlighing capabilities is beeing worked on as part of Google SoC... hopefully ready for gnome 2.18. ciao paolo From luis.villa@gmail.com Mon Jul 24 14:38:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707973B0081 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14755-04 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D43D3B006F for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so2552847ugf for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr3869522ugg; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.3 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440607241138j5b12e763wbc881c2b2a374ab9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:38:50 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" Sender: luis.villa@gmail.com To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) In-Reply-To: <1153595427.1244.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> <1153595427.1244.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37644c31f8b81602 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:38:52 -0000 On 7/22/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > On sam, 2006-07-22 at 15:02 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > > I thought I left r-t for all except 'I'll skim the mailing list' > > purposes, like, ages ago? :) > > So, who's replacing you? :-) At the time Federico was suggested as a replacement. Honestly, I don't have any better suggestions at the moment- maybe Andre Klapper? Luis From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Mon Jul 24 19:19:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF553B0133 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27745-01 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29113B022D for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i5so735238wra for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.128.1 with SMTP id a1mr4360249wrd; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.3? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 44sm4909406wri.2006.07.24.16.19.42; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pango release slipping From: Behdad Esfahbod To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:41 -0400 Message-Id: <1153783181.30174.25.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:19:47 -0000 Hi, It's that message again... :( Been away to conferences last week, and generally busy with other work. Released vte and gnome-terminal already, releasing gucharmap intime, but Pango takes a bit late. We are updating to Unicode 5.0. Glib and gucharmap are done, but Pango needs more work. I'm in the middle of it. Given that as requested by the release team I'm going to release Pango 1.14.0 on August 7, I think having the Unicode 5.0 data in the release this week is helpful. Cheers, -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From newren@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 01:42:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8394C3B0074 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09897-09 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C773B0090 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so2760239ugf for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr4357178ugg; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:42:11 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Gnome Release Team" Subject: 2.15.90, new module decisions... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.432 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.432 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:42:13 -0000 Hi everyone, I put a 2.15.90 moduleset up at http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.90, if anyone wants to help out with this release or even take it over, I definitely wouldn't stand in your way. In fact, you'd be my hero. :) I've got it to work up through dbus-glib, but it fails at dbus-python (i.e. relatively early in the set) since I can't figure out how to get jhbuild's distutils support to work with tarballs (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308328#c12; this is also needed to get pyrex installed as well, which has long been an issue). And it's time for me to sleep right now. Also, we should probably meet to discuss what to do with the remaining modules we don't have a decision on. What works best for everyone? Finally, anyone want to volunteer to send out an announcement about orca, gnome-power-manager, and alacarte, and explain why the other three issues are still pending -- or should we wait until we've decided on those as well? Thanks for all your awesome work everyone, Elijah From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jul 26 02:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D193B007E for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11314-07 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB2C3B0096 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE24511267D for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:55:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:55:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:55:10 -0000 Hi Elijah, On lun, 2006-07-24 at 23:42 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I put a 2.15.90 moduleset up at > http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.90, if anyone wants to > help out with this release or even take it over, I definitely wouldn't > stand in your way. In fact, you'd be my hero. :) I've got it to > work up through dbus-glib, but it fails at dbus-python (i.e. > relatively early in the set) since I can't figure out how to get > jhbuild's distutils support to work with tarballs > (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308328#c12; this is also > needed to get pyrex installed as well, which has long been an issue). > And it's time for me to sleep right now. Thanks for working on the release. I'm sorry I can't help this time... > Also, we should probably meet to discuss what to do with the remaining > modules we don't have a decision on. What works best for everyone? European times for me :-) (7am-16pm UTC, and 19pm-21pm UTC can also work) I'm afraid it looks like Gtk# maintainers don't want to split the module, which is a "no way" for me. > Finally, anyone want to volunteer to send out an announcement about > orca, gnome-power-manager, and alacarte, and explain why the other > three issues are still pending -- or should we wait until we've > decided on those as well? I'll try to send a mail about this today. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From olav@bkor.dhs.org Wed Jul 26 12:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3243B00EC for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08731-03 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsfep20-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DD03B012C for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep20-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20060726165648.CLNB1297.amsfep20-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:56:48 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7499D606A3C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:56:47 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Deprecating Bug-Buddy versions before 2.16.0 Message-ID: <20060726165647.GE29153@bkor.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.334 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.334 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:56:58 -0000 With the release of Bug-Buddy 2.16 I want to deprecate the email interface used by the older Bug-Buddy versions. It will still be supported for at least a year after bug-buddy has been released. After that the official support will be over. In practice this means that I will not add the email interface Bug-Buddy support to the first bugzilla.gnome.org after around Sep 2007. So it could be that the support goes on until 2010. Or that it ends on 10 Sep 2007. I can probably guess people will complain about this. Already know one non-Bug-Buddy app using the email interface. I only learned about this afterwards and IMO it is not my problem. Never ever considered the email interface as something stable. Of course, if there is a person really wanting to have the interface staying alive, then I'll gladly make them maintainer of the existing interface when 2.16.0 is out. As Bug-Buddy is the cause of many filed crasher bugs, I need some sort of agreement from release team that it is ok not to receive from GNOME 2.14.x versions (and before) when 2.20.0 is released. After release-team I want to announce this to d-d-l. And include it in the release notes. -- Regards, Olav From newren@gmail.com Wed Jul 26 13:10:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0EB3B009F for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09482-04 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD893B00E0 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so3495912ugf for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr6201475ugh; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607261010i4c0bf3cbmc1404b2b50787fda@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:10:55 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Olav Vitters" Subject: Re: Deprecating Bug-Buddy versions before 2.16.0 In-Reply-To: <20060726165647.GE29153@bkor.dhs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060726165647.GE29153@bkor.dhs.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:10:57 -0000 On 7/26/06, Olav Vitters wrote: > With the release of Bug-Buddy 2.16 I want to deprecate the email > interface used by the older Bug-Buddy versions. It will still be > supported for at least a year after bug-buddy has been released. After > that the official support will be over. > In practice this means that I will not add the email interface Bug-Buddy > support to the first bugzilla.gnome.org after around Sep 2007. So it > could be that the support goes on until 2010. Or that it ends on 10 Sep > 2007. > > I can probably guess people will complain about this. Already know one > non-Bug-Buddy app using the email interface. I only learned about this > afterwards and IMO it is not my problem. Never ever considered the email > interface as something stable. Not only was it unstable, it also didn't work, though you made a marvellous effort to make it not suck nearly so bad. Given that it's been an unending source of headaches and people's bug reports getting rejected (for no reason other than 'our parser sucks' or perhaps 'your email client sucks for sending html'), I'm in favor. Bugs from versions of software over a year old tend to not be so useful anyway. > Of course, if there is a person really wanting to have the interface > staying alive, then I'll gladly make them maintainer of the existing > interface when 2.16.0 is out. > > As Bug-Buddy is the cause of many filed crasher bugs, I need some sort > of agreement from release team that it is ok not to receive from GNOME > 2.14.x versions (and before) when 2.20.0 is released. Personally, I'd really like to see some kind of more general mechanism for automatically rejecting bug reports against versions of software over a year old; which is only a one-time side effect of this change. I guess you're asking though because other people might be using that email interface besides bug-buddy, which I agree shouldn't have been considered a stable interface. So... +2. (since 1 is equal to 2 for large values of 1) > After release-team I want to announce this to d-d-l. And include it in > the release notes. Sounds good to me. :) From thos@gnome.org Wed Jul 26 16:25:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9363B00A0 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18161-06 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.thos.me.uk (88-96-30-66.dsl.zen.co.uk [88.96.30.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7A53B0086 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88-96-30-67.dsl.zen.co.uk ([88.96.30.67]) by orion.thos.me.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1G5pvc-0005Ew-KK for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:24:24 +0100 Message-ID: <44C7CFB6.50003@gnome.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:25:26 +0100 From: Thomas Wood User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Feature Freeze Break Request for gnome-theme-manager Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.326 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.908, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -1.326 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:25:09 -0000 I'd like to commit the patch attached to bug 346041[1], but I think it may break the feature freeze. This feature is not actually evident in the UI, but it is useful to sysadmins, and will be used in future releases of Pessulus. -Thomas [1] From vincent@vuntz.net Thu Jul 27 02:42:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A04B3B0010 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07612-08 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA973B00B0 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0A2A112685; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:42:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:42:46 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Elijah Newren Subject: Re: Deprecating Bug-Buddy versions before 2.16.0 Message-ID: <20060727064246.GB11389@vuntz.net> References: <20060726165647.GE29153@bkor.dhs.org> <51419b2c0607261010i4c0bf3cbmc1404b2b50787fda@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607261010i4c0bf3cbmc1404b2b50787fda@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, Olav Vitters X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:42:50 -0000 Le mercredi 26 juillet 2006, à 11:10, Elijah Newren a écrit : > On 7/26/06, Olav Vitters wrote: > > With the release of Bug-Buddy 2.16 I want to deprecate the email > > interface used by the older Bug-Buddy versions. It will still be > > supported for at least a year after bug-buddy has been released. After > > that the official support will be over. > > In practice this means that I will not add the email interface Bug-Buddy > > support to the first bugzilla.gnome.org after around Sep 2007. So it > > could be that the support goes on until 2010. Or that it ends on 10 Sep > > 2007. > > > > I can probably guess people will complain about this. Already know one > > non-Bug-Buddy app using the email interface. I only learned about this > > afterwards and IMO it is not my problem. Never ever considered the email > > interface as something stable. > > Not only was it unstable, it also didn't work, though you made a > marvellous effort to make it not suck nearly so bad. Given that it's > been an unending source of headaches and people's bug reports getting > rejected (for no reason other than 'our parser sucks' or perhaps 'your > email client sucks for sending html'), I'm in favor. Bugs from > versions of software over a year old tend to not be so useful anyway. > > > Of course, if there is a person really wanting to have the interface > > staying alive, then I'll gladly make them maintainer of the existing > > interface when 2.16.0 is out. > > > > As Bug-Buddy is the cause of many filed crasher bugs, I need some sort > > of agreement from release team that it is ok not to receive from GNOME > > 2.14.x versions (and before) when 2.20.0 is released. > > Personally, I'd really like to see some kind of more general mechanism > for automatically rejecting bug reports against versions of software > over a year old; which is only a one-time side effect of this change. > I guess you're asking though because other people might be using that > email interface besides bug-buddy, which I agree shouldn't have been > considered a stable interface. So... > > +2. (since 1 is equal to 2 for large values of 1) Looks okay to me too. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From fcrozat@mandriva.com Thu Jul 27 04:22:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AED3B02EB; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12259-09; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from office.mandriva.com (ezoffice.mandriva.com [84.14.106.134]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA3B3B00B0; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinidad.mandrakesoft.com (trinidad.mandrakesoft.com [192.168.100.216]) by office.mandriva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059A52; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Feature Freeze Break Request for gnome-theme-manager From: Frederic Crozat To: Thomas Wood In-Reply-To: <44C7CFB6.50003@gnome.org> References: <44C7CFB6.50003@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Mandriva Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1153988550.4355.3.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3-10.1.20060mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:22:34 -0000 Le mercredi 26 juillet 2006 à 21:25 +0100, Thomas Wood a écrit : > I'd like to commit the patch attached to bug 346041[1], but I think it > may break the feature freeze. > > This feature is not actually evident in the UI, but it is useful to > sysadmins, and will be used in future releases of Pessulus. > > -Thomas > > > [1] Approval one of two. Don't forget to ping i18n team if feature is approved ;) -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From pjc51@srcf.ucam.org Thu Jul 27 04:50:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB133B011E; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13944-03; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.130]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C4B3B0139; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:50:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from student.cusu.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.179.82]:42570 helo=kern.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) by ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.130]:25) with esmtp id 1G61Z2-0000Dt-0q (Exim 4.54) (return-path ); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:49:52 +0100 Received: from pjc51 by kern.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1G61Yz-0002Bm-00; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:49:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:49:49 +0100 From: Phil Cowans To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org, dasherteam@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dasher CVS Branch Message-ID: <20060727084947.GA4496@srcf.ucam.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: Phil Cowans X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:50:11 -0000 Hi All, Just to let you know that I've just branched Dasher CVS for the GNOME 2.16 release (Dasher 4.2). HEAD will now be used for development of new features which will not appear in a stable version until GNOME 2.18, whereas the gnome-2-16 branch will be used for all further GNOME 2.15 and 2.16 releases. Thanks, Phil From mccann@jhu.edu Thu Jul 27 10:48:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876853B0096 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01558-08 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipex2.johnshopkins.edu (ipex2.johnshopkins.edu [162.129.8.151]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303653B007E for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adcam-2.pha.jhu.edu (HELO adcam.pha.jhu.edu) ([128.220.146.77]) by ipex2.johnshopkins.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 27 Jul 2006 10:47:59 -0400 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,188,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="176973052:sNHT19668536" Received: from [128.220.146.22] (acs7 [128.220.146.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by adcam.pha.jhu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RElxAg005802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:47:59 -0400 From: William Jon McCann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8-1.4.1 (X11/20060420) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:01 -0000 Hi, I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all keyboardless touch screen systems. Ok to land this? Thanks, Jon From vuntz@gnome.org Fri Jul 28 06:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A933A3B0085; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25889-06; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE87F3B000E; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 1476A112685; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <34523.129.88.38.77.1154083397.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1153988550.4355.3.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> References: <44C7CFB6.50003@gnome.org> <1153988550.4355.3.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Feature Freeze Break Request for gnome-theme-manager From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Frederic Crozat" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Thomas Wood , release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:43:21 -0000 On Thu, July 27, 2006 10:22, Frederic Crozat wrote: > Le mercredi 26 juillet 2006 à 21:25 +0100, Thomas Wood a écrit : >> I'd like to commit the patch attached to bug 346041[1], but I think it >> may break the feature freeze. >> >> This feature is not actually evident in the UI, but it is useful to >> sysadmins, and will be used in future releases of Pessulus. >> >> -Thomas >> >> >> [1] > > Approval one of two. 2/2. It'd probably be nice to also watch the gconf key and update the dialog if it changes ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vuntz@gnome.org Fri Jul 28 06:50:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5B23B0084 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26035-10 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06EF3B0085 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 0A3D6112685; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:50:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:50:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> References: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:50:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver From: "Vincent Untz" To: "William Jon McCann" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:50:57 -0000 Hi, On Thu, July 27, 2006 16:47, William Jon McCann wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 > > This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all > keyboardless touch screen systems. > > Ok to land this? Looks nice. I would prefer to wait for the next cycle, but if it can help with a11y, then you might get one approval from me. Or is this something that you think is urgently needed? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From mccann@jhu.edu Fri Jul 28 11:52:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112953B0080; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-07; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipex4.johnshopkins.edu (ipex4.johnshopkins.edu [128.220.2.151]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDAE3B000E; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adcam-2.pha.jhu.edu (HELO adcam.pha.jhu.edu) ([128.220.146.77]) by ipex4.johnshopkins.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 28 Jul 2006 11:52:36 -0400 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,193,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="174404585:sNHT23129432" Received: from [128.220.146.22] (acs7 [128.220.146.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by adcam.pha.jhu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SFqbRk017557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44CA32C5.4080404@jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:37 -0400 From: William Jon McCann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8-1.4.1 (X11/20060420) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Untz Subject: Re: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver References: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.552 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.552 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:52:45 -0000 Hey, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Thu, July 27, 2006 16:47, William Jon McCann wrote: >>I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: >>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 >> >>This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all >>keyboardless touch screen systems. >> >>Ok to land this? > > Looks nice. I would prefer to wait for the next cycle, but if it can > help with a11y, then you might get one approval from me. Or is this > something that you think is urgently needed? This feature is basically nothing more than adding another GtkSocket interface to the window. The keyboard part you see in the screenshot is an example of something that can plug into it but it isn't part of gnome-screensaver itself. Also this feature is disabled by default. Right now anyone who can't use the keyboard has to disable the screensaver altogether. * There is very little complexity involved. * It should be able the use of a11y features. * It is really necessary for any system that doesn't have a keyboard. - kiosk - tablet PC - handheld device I want to get this framework in now. For the next cycle I want to add logic that will automatically detect if you require a11y features and turn this feature on. And similarly look at gtk touchscreen-mode setting to see if the feature should be on. Can I get approval? Thanks, Jon From newren@gmail.com Sat Jul 29 10:05:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F71E3B0083 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24281-02 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E723B008C for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y38so78547nfb for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.156.6 with SMTP id d6mr108762hue; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.178.11 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:05:40 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... In-Reply-To: <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:05:47 -0000 On 7/26/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Also, we should probably meet to discuss what to do with the remaining > > modules we don't have a decision on. What works best for everyone? > > European times for me :-) (7am-16pm UTC, and 19pm-21pm UTC can also > work) Oops, let things slip through the cracks with the utterly crazy week I've had. Okay, does 20:00 UTC today work or is that too short notice? If so, does 20:00 UTC Monday work for everyone? Thanks, Elijah From kmaraas@broadpark.no Sun Jul 30 18:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC2E3B00B5; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12235-07; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890103B0376; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J3800CVCN0T7UC0@osl1smout1.broadpark.no>; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.76] ([80.202.165.212]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J38000ORN0TFBC0@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:39 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver In-reply-to: <44CA32C5.4080404@jhu.edu> To: William Jon McCann Message-id: <1154299299.2762.0.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 (2.7.4-3) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> <44CA32C5.4080404@jhu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.434 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.434 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, Vincent Untz X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:41:24 -0000 fre, 28,.07.2006 kl. 11.52 -0400, skrev William Jon McCann: > Hey, > > Vincent Untz wrote: > > On Thu, July 27, 2006 16:47, William Jon McCann wrote: > >>I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: > >>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 > >> > >>This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all > >>keyboardless touch screen systems. > >> > >>Ok to land this? > > > > Looks nice. I would prefer to wait for the next cycle, but if it can > > help with a11y, then you might get one approval from me. Or is this > > something that you think is urgently needed? > > This feature is basically nothing more than adding another GtkSocket > interface to the window. The keyboard part you see in the screenshot is > an example of something that can plug into it but it isn't part of > gnome-screensaver itself. Also this feature is disabled by default. > > Right now anyone who can't use the keyboard has to disable the > screensaver altogether. > > * There is very little complexity involved. > * It should be able the use of a11y features. > * It is really necessary for any system that doesn't have a keyboard. > - kiosk > - tablet PC > - handheld device > > I want to get this framework in now. For the next cycle I want to add > logic that will automatically detect if you require a11y features and > turn this feature on. And similarly look at gtk touchscreen-mode > setting to see if the feature should be on. > > Can I get approval? > In light of the above description I'm going to give it my approval. 1/2 Cheers Kjartan From newren@gmail.com Sun Jul 30 21:39:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0393B01D7 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18315-06 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289173B038E for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y38so328678nfb for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr379973hue; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.178.11 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607301839ibeb3fa6r6478c434cade8dfe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:39:49 -0000 On 7/29/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Oops, let things slip through the cracks with the utterly crazy week > I've had. Okay, does 20:00 UTC today work or is that too short > notice? If so, does 20:00 UTC Monday work for everyone? Obviously yesterday was too short notice, as was not too surprising. :-) Oddly, I haven't heard back from anyone about Monday. Is 20:00 UTC on Monday actually ok for everyone? If not, please suggest a time or times that will work for you. From fcrozat@mandriva.com Mon Jul 31 03:34:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CDC3B0013 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29998-04 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from office.mandriva.com (ezoffice.mandriva.com [84.14.106.134]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2276F3B0018 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinidad.mandrakesoft.com (trinidad.mandrakesoft.com [192.168.100.216]) by office.mandriva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114B019F for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... From: Frederic Crozat To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Mandriva Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:33:58 +0200 Message-Id: <1154331238.4359.4.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3-10.1.20060mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:34:14 -0000 Le samedi 29 juillet 2006 à 08:05 -0600, Elijah Newren a écrit : > On 7/26/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > Also, we should probably meet to discuss what to do with the remaining > > > modules we don't have a decision on. What works best for everyone? > > > > European times for me :-) (7am-16pm UTC, and 19pm-21pm UTC can also > > work) > > Oops, let things slip through the cracks with the utterly crazy week > I've had. Okay, does 20:00 UTC today work or is that too short > notice? If so, does 20:00 UTC Monday work for everyone? Way to short for me, since I don't read my mandriva mail when not at work. Monday 20:00 UTC is a little late (22:00 Paris time) but I can deal with it if we don't finish too late.. -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From vuntz@gnome.org Mon Jul 31 12:42:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4FC3B0008 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23925-05 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3733B006D for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CDF11267D; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver From: Vincent Untz To: Kjartan Maraas In-Reply-To: <1154299299.2762.0.camel@rivendell> References: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> <44CA32C5.4080404@jhu.edu> <1154299299.2762.0.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:42:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1154364170.5056.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.516 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.516 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, William Jon McCann X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:42:34 -0000 On lun, 2006-07-31 at 00:41 +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > fre, 28,.07.2006 kl. 11.52 -0400, skrev William Jon McCann: > > Hey, > > > > Vincent Untz wrote: > > > On Thu, July 27, 2006 16:47, William Jon McCann wrote: > > >>I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: > > >>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 > > >> > > >>This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all > > >>keyboardless touch screen systems. > > >> > > >>Ok to land this? > > > > > > Looks nice. I would prefer to wait for the next cycle, but if it can > > > help with a11y, then you might get one approval from me. Or is this > > > something that you think is urgently needed? > > > > This feature is basically nothing more than adding another GtkSocket > > interface to the window. The keyboard part you see in the screenshot is > > an example of something that can plug into it but it isn't part of > > gnome-screensaver itself. Also this feature is disabled by default. > > > > Right now anyone who can't use the keyboard has to disable the > > screensaver altogether. > > > > * There is very little complexity involved. > > * It should be able the use of a11y features. > > * It is really necessary for any system that doesn't have a keyboard. > > - kiosk > > - tablet PC > > - handheld device > > > > I want to get this framework in now. For the next cycle I want to add > > logic that will automatically detect if you require a11y features and > > turn this feature on. And similarly look at gtk touchscreen-mode > > setting to see if the feature should be on. > > > > Can I get approval? > > > In light of the above description I'm going to give it my approval. > > 1/2 2/2 Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vuntz@gnome.org Mon Jul 31 12:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402B93B0008 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23946-03 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAA73B0061 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F20F11267D for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607301839ibeb3fa6r6478c434cade8dfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0607301839ibeb3fa6r6478c434cade8dfe@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:43:23 +0200 Message-Id: <1154364203.5056.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:42:43 -0000 On dim, 2006-07-30 at 19:39 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 7/29/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > > Oops, let things slip through the cracks with the utterly crazy week > > I've had. Okay, does 20:00 UTC today work or is that too short > > notice? If so, does 20:00 UTC Monday work for everyone? > > Obviously yesterday was too short notice, as was not too surprising. > :-) Oddly, I haven't heard back from anyone about Monday. Is 20:00 > UTC on Monday actually ok for everyone? If not, please suggest a time > or times that will work for you. I'll try to be there :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. 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------=SPLITOR00A_001_116823343D-- From newren@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 01:48:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560D03B02C0 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28781-07 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6393B0175 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1264214uge for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.6 with SMTP id v6mr578630ugl; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:45:37 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.082 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.457, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.082 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:48:43 -0000 On 7/10/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on > what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I > missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? Also, we need to set up a time to meet so we can decide on the new modules and perhaps re-divide up tasks. Unfortunately, I'll be at a conference next week Monday-Friday and have no idea if/when I'll be in contact with the outside world. I won't know until about this time next week at the earliest. So, we can wait a week to try to set up the meeting, or just set it up now and if I miss it then I'm sure you guys can handle it. Thoughts? From newren@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 03:32:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252F03B0333 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30936-04 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FE63B0313 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1288130uge for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr572930ugg; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607102235h5108f95fq9ca63d808f7bfa18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:35:11 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Time to heat up the new modules discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.389 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.143, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.389 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:32:03 -0000 So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? Thanks, Elijah ************************************************* Hi everyone, As per the release schedule (http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen), it's time to heat up the module inclusion discussion. So, time to flame, argue, etc., etc. this week and see if we can reach consensus. The release team will try to meet next week about new module decisions with community input up to then so that the new modules can be announced in time for module freeze. We're actually optimistic enough (deluded enough?) to think we can make that deadline this time. :) So, to start of the discussion, the proposed modules AFAIR are: * orca (as a replacement to gnopernicus) * alacarte * gnome-power-manager * Tomboy * Gtk# There's one additional issue to address as well: * Okay to have desktop modules depend on gtk# bindings? Here's my biased guess (feel free to dispute) at where things stand: orca appears to be an uncontroversial choice with strong support, and which even the gnopernicus team is supporting. (There have been a number of threads and lots of comments; http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-June/msg00009.html seems like the best overview) There have not been many comments on alacarte; just a couple notes that looked like preliminary reviews in the thread where it was proposed (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00305.html). So we definitely need thoughts and comments from the community. gnome-power-manager seems to have lots of support and it appears it's getting picked up by all the major distributors (or already has been for some time now). Didn't find a clear overview email and there's been lots of threads. I guess http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00366.html works. Tomboy was proposed here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00253.html. Comments were very positive for the most part, but there are gtk# dependency issues that need to be resolved first (see e.g. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00332.html). gtk# was proposed here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00457.html. There was one big (IMO) issue, mentioned in the thread (namely, wrapping API which had no stability guarantee) And the big question: We currently allow desktop modules to depend on the pygtk bindings, but no others. Should we extend that to include the gtk# ones? From vincent@vuntz.net Tue Jul 11 12:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E687F3B01D8 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26630-02 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA843B0180 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7B4B911269D; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:55:49 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Some notes about 2.15.4 Message-ID: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.365 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_GT=0.077, TW_IB=0.077, TW_JH=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.365 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:20:48 -0000 Hey there, In case somebody else wants to hit his head against a wall^W^W^W^W^W smoketest 2.15.4, here are some quick notes from this afternoon (with the modulesets from http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.4/ ) + I didn't build ekiga, but it should be possible. We have to whitelist opal in the smoketest script, I guess + I still have a compiling issue in iso-codes, but I fix this by changing the lines causing an error to: p = make_parser(["drv_libxml2"]) + we need a new pygtk release or to use GTK+ < 2.10.0: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347185 + we need a patch for gnopernicus or ship with 1.0.4: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 + I had difficulties for system-tools-backend because I don't have the perl dbus bindings installed (and there's no package for dapper???). It will be fixed in the next tarball, but it doesn't block us from using the current one. + jhbuild doesn't seem to know that liboobs is required for gnome-system-tools + gnome-session requires a new gnome-control-center. New gnome-control-center means that we should use libxklavier 2.91. Which means that we need a new gnome-applets release. Yay for API changes :-) (AFAIK, maintainers are rolling tarballs for gnome-control-center and gnome-applets now) + looks like we'll need a new gnome-mag release since LT_VERSION is wrong (Frederic knows more about this) There are many tarballs that have been released after the deadline. I can't give a figure since the archives are broken... http://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2006-July/thread.html There are some changes (like the gnome-vfs ones) that would benefit from testing, so I'd like to use some of the late tarballs (if not all). What do you think? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From fcrozat@mandriva.com Tue Jul 11 15:24:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE1C3B0175 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01644-08 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from office.mandriva.com (ezoffice.mandriva.com [84.14.106.134]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B242B3B034F for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinidad.mandrakesoft.com (trinidad.mandrakesoft.com [192.168.100.216]) by office.mandriva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC24054724 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: Frederic Crozat To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Mandriva Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:32:35 +0200 Message-Id: <1152635555.10477.38.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3-10mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.38 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.166, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BX=0.077, TW_GT=0.077, TW_IB=0.077, TW_JH=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.38 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:24:07 -0000 Le mardi 11 juillet 2006 à 17:55 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Hey there, > > In case somebody else wants to hit his head against a wall^W^W^W^W^W > smoketest 2.15.4, here are some quick notes from this afternoon (with > the modulesets from http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.4/ ) > > + I didn't build ekiga, but it should be possible. We have to whitelist > opal in the smoketest script, I guess > > + I still have a compiling issue in iso-codes, but I fix this by > changing the lines causing an error to: > p = make_parser(["drv_libxml2"]) > > + we need a new pygtk release or to use GTK+ < 2.10.0: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347185 > > + we need a patch for gnopernicus or ship with 1.0.4: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > > + I had difficulties for system-tools-backend because I don't have the > perl dbus bindings installed (and there's no package for dapper???). > It will be fixed in the next tarball, but it doesn't block us from > using the current one. > > + jhbuild doesn't seem to know that liboobs is required for > gnome-system-tools > > + gnome-session requires a new gnome-control-center. New > gnome-control-center means that we should use libxklavier 2.91. Which > means that we need a new gnome-applets release. Yay for API changes > :-) > (AFAIK, maintainers are rolling tarballs for gnome-control-center > and gnome-applets now) > > + looks like we'll need a new gnome-mag release since LT_VERSION is > wrong (Frederic knows more about this) We also need a libbonobo release, otherwise, we will break API/ABI because of the move of the gnome_vfs_mime* api from gnome-vfs to libbonobo. -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From vincent@vuntz.net Tue Jul 11 15:56:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CE73B044E; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03121-03; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62C33B021A; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 09074112698; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:17:38 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: gnome-menus branched for 2.14 Message-ID: <20060711121738.GA11677@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.144 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.371, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.827, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.144 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:25 -0000 Hi, I branched gnome-menus for GNOME 2.14. Branch name is gnome-2-14, as usual. I had to branch from a past version in CVS since the latest commits were not for GNOME 2.14, but for 2.15. This means that translations that have been committed to HEAD after 2005-04-26 for gnome-menus should be committed again on the gnome-2-14 branch. AFAICT, only gn, bn_IN and mr are affected. I don't know of any plans for gnome-menus: I'm just branching to release a 2.15.x release for alacarte ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From newren@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 01:32:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D293B008C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23131-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728913B0071 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so166111ugf for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr1445535ugl; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607111325g4c0be1ccj5953119983794de8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:25:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Frederic Crozat" Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 In-Reply-To: <1152635555.10477.38.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <1152635555.10477.38.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.383 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.137, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BX=0.077, TW_IB=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.383 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:32:14 -0000 On 7/11/06, Frederic Crozat wrote: > Le mardi 11 juillet 2006 =E0 17:55 +0200, Vincent Untz a =E9crit : > > Hey there, > > > > In case somebody else wants to hit his head against a wall^W^W^W^W^W > > smoketest 2.15.4, here are some quick notes from this afternoon (with > > the modulesets from http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.4/ ) Thanks for making this list, Vincent. I forwarded it on to d-d-l so we can hopefully get more eyes on the problems. > > > > + I didn't build ekiga, but it should be possible. We have to whitelis= t > > opal in the smoketest script, I guess Yeah, this was a moduleset issue. I updated the moduleset to include this, and partially updated the download script. Unfortunately, sourceforge sucks and automation is next to impossible currently with their problems, so opal and pwlib may have to be added by hand for the forseeable future. The same thing is true of libxklavier as well. Sucks, but... > We also need a libbonobo release, otherwise, we will break API/ABI > because of the move of the gnome_vfs_mime* api from gnome-vfs to > libbonobo. Can you add this to the d-d-l list I sent out, Frederic? From besfahbo@redhat.com Wed Jul 12 03:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE063B006F for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26533-08 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34783B0127 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6AN8QaF011243 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:08:26 -0400 Received: from pobox.toronto.redhat.com (pobox.toronto.redhat.com [172.16.14.4]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6AN8QVG003230 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:08:26 -0400 Received: from to-dhcp14.toronto.redhat.com (to-dhcp14.toronto.redhat.com [172.16.14.114]) by pobox.toronto.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6AN8Qve026035 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:08:26 -0400 Subject: Extension request for vte From: Behdad Esfahbod To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-zX95Oiti9igVy7lFpr0h" Organization: Red Hat, Inc. Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:08:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1152572906.18788.3.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.564 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.564 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:06:23 -0000 --=-zX95Oiti9igVy7lFpr0h Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi release teamers, I'd like to request a couple hours extension to release vte and gnome-terminal. I started cleaning up various selection issues in vte this afternoon and I'm about there, just wrapping up. It really helps to get this work in the release. gnome-terminal is ready for release, but depends on the to-be-released version of vte. So I'll release that right after releasing vte. Let me know, --=20 behdad http://behdad.org/ --=-zX95Oiti9igVy7lFpr0h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEst3pn+4E5dNTERURAsDfAJ9keXPt64+BnGPKBU6cPk+d4NSkZQCfbb9h rdA8IkT3831tdVm3ZFRNo1s= =eSW/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-zX95Oiti9igVy7lFpr0h-- From fcrozat@mandriva.com Wed Jul 12 06:38:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD183B0291 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02001-08 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from office.mandriva.com (ezoffice.mandriva.com [84.14.106.134]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BC53B026B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinidad.mandrakesoft.com (trinidad.mandrakesoft.com [192.168.100.216]) by office.mandriva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AE1481 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:49:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: Frederic Crozat To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607111325g4c0be1ccj5953119983794de8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <1152635555.10477.38.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> <51419b2c0607111325g4c0be1ccj5953119983794de8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Mandriva Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:49:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1152690559.22295.0.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3-10mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:38:33 -0000 Le mardi 11 juillet 2006 à 14:25 -0600, Elijah Newren a écrit : > On 7/11/06, Frederic Crozat wrote: > > We also need a libbonobo release, otherwise, we will break API/ABI > > because of the move of the gnome_vfs_mime* api from gnome-vfs to > > libbonobo. > > Can you add this to the d-d-l list I sent out, Frederic? No need for that anymore, kjartan did a release this night. -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jul 12 10:12:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D363B048C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11254-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779B33B04A6 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CCfVoR016449; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:41:31 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CCfVTR000824; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:41:31 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.175] (vpn83-175.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.175]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6CCfVX5011354; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:41:31 -0400 Subject: More po/LINGUAS fallout From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org, billh@sun.com Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:44:27 -0400 Message-Id: <1152708267.3048.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:12:55 -0000 at-spi 1.7.8 shipped without translations. Will it ever end ? Matthias From newren@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0513B01AF for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30707-03 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1463B0605 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so269611ugf for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.10 with SMTP id r10mr525469ugh; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607120904h78280937s67b44a52ebaedbe8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:04:26 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Matthias Clasen" Subject: Re: More po/LINGUAS fallout In-Reply-To: <1152708267.3048.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1152708267.3048.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.461 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.461 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, billh@sun.com X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:07:53 -0000 On 7/12/06, Matthias Clasen wrote: > at-spi 1.7.8 shipped without translations. > > Will it ever end ? Just took a new measure on d-d-l so that hopefully it will be. :) From vincent@vuntz.net Wed Jul 12 13:34:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522A13B01DF; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06023-05; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2D33B0493; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 77AB8112698; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:34:00 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 Message-ID: <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:34:08 -0000 Let's cc d-d-l. Please, everyone, let's make our lifes easier for the next release... I don't have any real figures, but a bunch of modules was released late, which is not helping for smoketesting. Le mardi 11 juillet 2006, à 17:55, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Hey there, > > In case somebody else wants to hit his head against a wall^W^W^W^W^W > smoketest 2.15.4, here are some quick notes from this afternoon (with > the modulesets from http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.4/ ) (I need to update the modulesets) Ah, this is probably one of the funniest release I made... Still ongoing, AFAIK: + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 + gnome-python will have a new release soon so that it compiles with latest gnome-vfs tarball. + gnome-settings-daemon crash at launch :-) (libxklavier bug) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346980 We can either disable the critical crashers for this release or find another funny solution. What's worrying me here is that it can mean nearly nobody is running CVS HEAD... + new at-spi release for po/LINGUAS fix? + should we include gnome-vfs-monikers in the release? I guess yes, but nobody added it to jhbuild, so we don't know if/where it's needed. + what about liboobs? gnome-system-tools depends on it. Is this being included in the desktop or is it a blessed dependency? I'd go with adding it to the desktop... 2.15.4 will not be released before tomorrow. Since the ftp-release-list archives don't work (or maybe the mails don't reach the list, I don't know), if you're releasing a tarball that we're waiting for for 2.15.4 (ie, gnopernicus, gnome-python, at-spi), please ping me so it can be used. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Wed Jul 12 15:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CB53B0354 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13018-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294F93B01A8 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 36825]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <27873-29978>; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:04 -0400 Message-ID: <44B54AE5.3040300@utoronto.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:17:57 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME 2 release team Subject: gok 1.1.1 released Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:18:13 -0000 I've just uploaded a gok-1.1.1.tar.gz intended from gnome 2.15.4 but I realize I am probably too late. Please ignore this release if it is troublesome. (just a bug fix release... no new strings) (Note I used intltool 0.35.0) cheers, David From vuntz@gnome.org Thu Jul 13 12:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902983B035F for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25187-02 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27693B04A1 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id A2F64112698; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50950.129.88.38.77.1152793944.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <44B54AE5.3040300@utoronto.ca> References: <44B54AE5.3040300@utoronto.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: gok 1.1.1 released From: "Vincent Untz" To: "David Bolter" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME 2 release team X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:28 -0000 Hi David, On Wed, July 12, 2006 21:17, David Bolter wrote: > I've just uploaded a gok-1.1.1.tar.gz intended from gnome 2.15.4 but I > realize I am probably too late. Please ignore this release if it is > troublesome. Thanks for this information. It's indeed too late for 2.15.4, but it's good to know about it :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From rd@baum.ro Thu Jul 13 12:53:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6514E3B039C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26193-02; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from main.baum.ro (dnt-gw-baum.dnttm.ro [83.103.190.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEC93B029F; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([82.77.32.51]) by main.baum.ro (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6DCDDGL001332; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:13:13 +0300 Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: remus draica To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:54:12 +0300 Message-Id: <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:53:55 -0000 On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:34 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > Last gnopernicus versions are 1.0.6 for gnome-2-14 branch and 1.1.0 for head. Regards, Remus From vincent@vuntz.net Thu Jul 13 12:56:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82A83B0468; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26063-08; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6849B3B0322; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A4CC112698; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:56:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:56:51 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: remus draica Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 Message-ID: <20060713125651.GC28420@vuntz.net> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:56:54 -0000 Hi Remus, Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 15:54, remus draica a écrit : > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:34 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > > > Last gnopernicus versions are 1.0.6 for gnome-2-14 branch and 1.1.0 for > head. Unfortunately, gnopernicus 1.1.0 doesn't build -- see the bug. So GNOME 2.15.4 will use 1.0.6. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From joseph_sacco@comcast.net Thu Jul 13 13:23:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CC43B056D; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27737-06; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.225.93]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25953B04E3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plantain.jesacco.com (c-24-218-44-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.44.63]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060713132322b1300h1ic9e>; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." To: remus draica In-Reply-To: <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-ZBm4/iB3EX7LlvDug4Wb" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:23:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1152797002.8757.20.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.625 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.393, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_KB=0.077, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -0.625 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, Vincent Untz , desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:23:26 -0000 --=-ZBm4/iB3EX7LlvDug4Wb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I patched gnopernicus-1.1.0 in GARNOME CVS-HEAD. See attachment. -Joseph ============================================================================= On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 15:54 +0300, remus draica wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:34 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > > > Last gnopernicus versions are 1.0.6 for gnome-2-14 branch and 1.1.0 for > head. > > Regards, > Remus > > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net --=-ZBm4/iB3EX7LlvDug4Wb Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=configure.in-bug-344695.patch Content-Type: text/x-patch; name=configure.in-bug-344695.patch; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- gnopernicus-1.1.0/configure.in- 2006-07-13 08:37:01.000000000 -0400 +++ gnopernicus-1.1.0/configure.in 2006-07-13 08:37:30.000000000 -0400 @@ -565,6 +565,7 @@ dnl | kbd_mouse | dnl +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBKE, \ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ) --- gnopernicus-1.1.0/configure- 2006-07-13 08:35:56.000000000 -0400 +++ gnopernicus-1.1.0/configure 2006-07-13 08:35:28.000000000 -0400 @@ -24136,10 +24136,12 @@ if test -n "$PKG_CONFIG"; then if test -n "$PKG_CONFIG" && \ { (echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors \"\\ + gtk+-2.0 >= \$GTK_REQUIRED \\ cspi-1.0 >= \$CSPI_REQUIRED \\ gconf-2.0 >= \$GCONF_REQUIRED \\ glib-2.0 >= \$GLIB_REQUIRED \"") >&5 ($PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ") 2>&5 @@ -24147,6 +24149,7 @@ echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$? = $ac_status" >&5 (exit $ac_status); }; then pkg_cv_LIBKE_CFLAGS=`$PKG_CONFIG --cflags "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED " 2>/dev/null` @@ -24159,10 +24162,12 @@ if test -n "$PKG_CONFIG"; then if test -n "$PKG_CONFIG" && \ { (echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors \"\\ + gtk+-2.0 >= \$GTK_REQUIRED \\ cspi-1.0 >= \$CSPI_REQUIRED \\ gconf-2.0 >= \$GCONF_REQUIRED \\ glib-2.0 >= \$GLIB_REQUIRED \"") >&5 ($PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ") 2>&5 @@ -24170,6 +24175,7 @@ echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$? = $ac_status" >&5 (exit $ac_status); }; then pkg_cv_LIBKE_LIBS=`$PKG_CONFIG --libs "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED " 2>/dev/null` @@ -24182,6 +24188,7 @@ if test $pkg_failed = yes; then LIBKE_PKG_ERRORS=`$PKG_CONFIG --errors-to-stdout --print-errors "\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED "` @@ -24189,6 +24196,7 @@ echo "$LIBKE_PKG_ERRORS" 1>&5 { { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: Package requirements (\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ) were not met. @@ -24199,6 +24207,7 @@ to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details." >&5 echo "$as_me: error: Package requirements (\ + gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED \ cspi-1.0 >= $CSPI_REQUIRED \ gconf-2.0 >= $GCONF_REQUIRED \ glib-2.0 >= $GLIB_REQUIRED ) were not met. --=-ZBm4/iB3EX7LlvDug4Wb-- From murrayc@murrayc.com Thu Jul 13 17:24:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9953B0185; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06897-07; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011BF3B00BB; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from noname (p5497CDCF.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.205.207]) by swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F39129A83; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm From: Murray Cumming To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:24:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.48 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.48 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:54 -0000 Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. Any objections? Here is the ChangeLog entry: 2006-07-13 Murray Cumming * libgnomevfs/libgnomevfsmm/mime-handlers.cc: * libgnomevfs/libgnomevfsmm/mime-handlers.h: Removed get_default_component(), get_short_list_components(), get_all_components(), id_in_component_list(), and id_list_from_component_list() because the underlying functions have been removed from gnome-vfs. This _is_ an ABI break, but we are taking this extraordinary step because it is very unlikely that anyone is using these methods, and in order to remove the dependency on Bonobo. get_default_component() was actually never implemented so it cannot have been used. If you really need to use these methods, you should use the underlying C functions, which have been moved to libbonobo. 1. Well, moved them into libbonobo with the dodgy excuse that anybody who uses it would already be using libbonobo, so they wouldn't notice anything. We noticed, however. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From newren@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:42:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743A13B03DA for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10496-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB5A3B01AE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so426551uge for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.17 with SMTP id s17mr374874ugg; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607131142s702ce166p1728ed0f059b7e79@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:42:50 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Murray Cumming" Subject: Re: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm In-Reply-To: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.459 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.459 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:53 -0000 On 7/13/06, Murray Cumming wrote: > Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much > forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break > ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, > and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. > > But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. > Any objections? None here; 1 of 2. Thanks, Elijah From rd@baum.ro Fri Jul 14 09:10:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD823B0596; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08621-09; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from main.baum.ro (dnt-gw-baum.dnttm.ro [83.103.190.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7AC3B0573; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([82.77.32.51]) by main.baum.ro (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6E8U4tr005025; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:30:04 +0300 Subject: Re: Some notes about 2.15.4 From: remus draica To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060713125651.GC28420@vuntz.net> References: <20060711155549.GA16704@vuntz.net> <20060712173400.GD16704@vuntz.net> <1152795158.4796.1.camel@gnopernicus> <1152795252.4796.4.camel@gnopernicus> <20060713125651.GC28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:11:03 +0300 Message-Id: <1152868264.9755.10.camel@gnopernicus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:42 -0000 On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 14:56 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > + gnopernicus needs a new release. Or we'll release with 1.0.4. > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341942 > > > > > Last gnopernicus versions are 1.0.6 for gnome-2-14 branch and 1.1.0 for > > head. > > Unfortunately, gnopernicus 1.1.0 doesn't build -- see the bug. So GNOME > 2.15.4 will use 1.0.6. > When I checked, I saw that on head same issue is fixed. I didn't realize it was after 1.1.0 tarball release. Regards, Remus From vincent@vuntz.net Fri Jul 14 16:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850D53B0248; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29179-06; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC513B0103; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 744F2112698; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:45:21 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Murray Cumming Subject: Re: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm Message-ID: <20060714164521.GG28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:45:25 -0000 Hi Murray, Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 19:24, Murray Cumming a écrit : > Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much > forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break > ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, > and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. > > But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. > Any objections? I'm wondering about three things: + "This means that you may break API/ABI in the next schedule only if you create a new version of the API which is parallel-installable with the older version." http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleRequirements/PlaformBindings Is it possible to do this? + Forgetting about ABI, is it possible to keep the API (with some #define, maybe)? + If someone complains about this breaking an app, what will you do? Also, I'm still wondering if what the gnome-vfs maintainers did is okay with our API/ABI compatibility rules. It did break stuff (bindings :-)), so... Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From murrayc@murrayc.com Fri Jul 14 17:17:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91D33B03A6; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32068-04; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from swarthymail-a5.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156F3B0316; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from noname (p5497E22F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.226.47]) by swarthymail-a5.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD55109EA9; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm From: Murray Cumming To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060714164521.GG28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060714164521.GG28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:17:35 +0200 Message-Id: <1152897455.5737.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.48 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.48 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:43 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 18:45 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > Hi Murray, > > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 19:24, Murray Cumming a écrit : > > Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much > > forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break > > ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, > > and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. > > > > But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. > > Any objections? > > I'm wondering about three things: > > + "This means that you may break API/ABI in the next schedule only if > you create a new version of the API which is parallel-installable > with the older version." > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleRequirements/PlaformBindings > Is it possible to do this? That would make life difficult for a lot of people, because they'd have to port overt to the new ABI, waiting for packages to be deployed, etc, whereas I think the current small ABI break will actually affect nobody in the real world. > + Forgetting about ABI, is it possible to keep the API (with some > #define, maybe)? I could keep the functions, with empty implementations. > + If someone complains about this breaking an app, what will you do? Investigate and revert it necessary. > Also, I'm still wondering if what the gnome-vfs maintainers did is okay > with our API/ABI compatibility rules. It did break stuff (bindings :-)), > so... I think they should have asked you. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From vuntz@gnome.org Sun Jul 16 15:32:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032893B03B5; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19087-01; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7C3B035E; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECC2112698; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:32:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: New pessulus co-maintainer From: Vincent Untz To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:33:02 +0200 Message-Id: <1153063982.3680.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: robster@debian.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:32:53 -0000 Hi, At GUADEC, Rob Bradford proposed to help maintaining pessulus and I'm happy to give him this burden^Wopportunity. Please welcome him, hug him, etc. He will try to fix all my bugs and add some cool features. I'll continue to introduce bugs in the code to keep him active for some time. Rob, in case I forgot to send you this link: http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vuntz@gnome.org Tue Jul 18 14:19:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80953B00CF for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24159-04 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444EF3B008E for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 11BB8112693; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! From: "Vincent Untz" To: release-team@gnome.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.167 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.343, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775] X-Spam-Score: -2.167 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:19:17 -0000 On Tue, July 11, 2006 07:45, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 7/10/06, Elijah Newren wrote: >> So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on >> what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I >> missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? > > Also, we need to set up a time to meet so we can decide on the new > modules and perhaps re-divide up tasks. Unfortunately, I'll be at a > conference next week Monday-Friday and have no idea if/when I'll be in > contact with the outside world. I won't know until about this time > next week at the earliest. So, we can wait a week to try to set up > the meeting, or just set it up now and if I miss it then I'm sure you > guys can handle it. Thoughts? Hrm. I didn't notice this mail until today... So, now, we have waited a week. Elijah, are you still in contact with the outside world? :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vincent@vuntz.net Wed Jul 19 15:04:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629AC3B009A for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27674-07 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D04B3B0079 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0EF33112693; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:04:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:04:38 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! Message-ID: <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.167 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.342, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.167 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:04:43 -0000 Le mardi 18 juillet 2006, à 16:19, Vincent Untz a écrit : > On Tue, July 11, 2006 07:45, Elijah Newren wrote: > > On 7/10/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > >> So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on > >> what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I > >> missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? > > > > Also, we need to set up a time to meet so we can decide on the new > > modules and perhaps re-divide up tasks. Unfortunately, I'll be at a > > conference next week Monday-Friday and have no idea if/when I'll be in > > contact with the outside world. I won't know until about this time > > next week at the earliest. So, we can wait a week to try to set up > > the meeting, or just set it up now and if I miss it then I'm sure you > > guys can handle it. Thoughts? > > Hrm. I didn't notice this mail until today... So, now, we have waited a > week. Elijah, are you still in contact with the outside world? :-) No answer for now. Let's plan a meeting. Does Friday work for most people? I'd love to do it at 3PM UTC since it would make my life easier. What about you? :-) Agenda: + new modules decision + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) => remember to think about someone you'd recommend to replace you if you want to leave Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vincent@vuntz.net Wed Jul 19 15:07:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CFB3B00DA; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27972-01; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9983E3B009A; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C11A112693; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:07:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:07:23 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Murray Cumming Subject: Re: Removing (yes) unloved API/ABI from gnome-vfsmm Message-ID: <20060719150723.GX28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152811486.5755.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060714164521.GG28420@vuntz.net> <1152897455.5737.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152897455.5737.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, gtkmm-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:28 -0000 Oops. I forgot the thread. Sorry about that. Le vendredi 14 juillet 2006, à 19:17, Murray Cumming a écrit : > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 18:45 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Hi Murray, > > > > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 19:24, Murray Cumming a écrit : > > > Since gnome-vfs removed some functions [1], gnome-vfsmm is pretty much > > > forced to remove the API that wraps these functions. I hate to break > > > ABI, but I really doubt that anybody is using this part of gnome-vfsmm, > > > and I think people will thank us for not depending on bonobo. > > > > > > But this is me asking for GNOME release-team permission retrospectively. > > > Any objections? > > > > I'm wondering about three things: > > > > + "This means that you may break API/ABI in the next schedule only if > > you create a new version of the API which is parallel-installable > > with the older version." > > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleRequirements/PlaformBindings > > Is it possible to do this? > > That would make life difficult for a lot of people, because they'd have > to port overt to the new ABI, waiting for packages to be deployed, etc, > whereas I think the current small ABI break will actually affect nobody > in the real world. Ok. > > + Forgetting about ABI, is it possible to keep the API (with some > > #define, maybe)? > > I could keep the functions, with empty implementations. I don't know if this is useful, so I'll let this decision to you. But being API-stable sounds better than "we broke ABI and API" ;-) > > + If someone complains about this breaking an app, what will you do? > > Investigate and revert it necessary. Great. So 2/2 for this change. Thanks Murray, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From fcrozat@mandriva.com Wed Jul 19 15:18:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1652D3B013B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28324-10 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from office.mandriva.com (ezoffice.mandriva.com [84.14.106.134]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668A73B0086 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from trinidad.mandrakesoft.com (trinidad.mandrakesoft.com [192.168.100.216]) by office.mandriva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE4437C for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:18:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! From: Frederic Crozat To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Mandriva Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:18:02 +0200 Message-Id: <1153322282.3766.13.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3-10mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.361, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775] X-Spam-Score: -2.185 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:18:10 -0000 Le mercredi 19 juillet 2006 à 17:04 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Le mardi 18 juillet 2006, à 16:19, Vincent Untz a écrit : > > On Tue, July 11, 2006 07:45, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > On 7/10/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > > >> So, we need to get the module discussion rolling. I've read up on > > >> what I can and have written up a summary. Anyone see anything I > > >> missed or should change before sending on to d-d-l? > > > > > > Also, we need to set up a time to meet so we can decide on the new > > > modules and perhaps re-divide up tasks. Unfortunately, I'll be at a > > > conference next week Monday-Friday and have no idea if/when I'll be in > > > contact with the outside world. I won't know until about this time > > > next week at the earliest. So, we can wait a week to try to set up > > > the meeting, or just set it up now and if I miss it then I'm sure you > > > guys can handle it. Thoughts? > > > > Hrm. I didn't notice this mail until today... So, now, we have waited a > > week. Elijah, are you still in contact with the outside world? :-) > > No answer for now. Let's plan a meeting. Does Friday work for most > people? I'd love to do it at 3PM UTC since it would make my life easier. > What about you? :-) Fine with me (reminder, 3PM UTC == 1700 Paris time) ;) -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From newren@gmail.com Wed Jul 19 16:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857923B009A for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31762-09 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CEC3B008F for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so382510ugf for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr925996ugh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607190926k5e41cac2x6b0ead76d3cba89c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:26:43 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: Time to heat up the new modules discussion -- meeting! next! week! In-Reply-To: <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0607102245y6220d50frb7603573d6961a06@mail.gmail.com> <43875.129.88.38.77.1153232346.squirrel@vuntz.net> <20060719150438.GW28420@vuntz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.268 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.201, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS=0.775, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.268 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:26:47 -0000 On 7/19/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le mardi 18 juillet 2006, =E0 16:19, Vincent Untz a =E9crit : > > Hrm. I didn't notice this mail until today... So, now, we have waited a > > week. Elijah, are you still in contact with the outside world? :-) Barely. I was able to kind of catch up with reading email on Monday, and responding to just a few of those. I've gotten buried further since then. > No answer for now. Let's plan a meeting. Does Friday work for most > people? I'd love to do it at 3PM UTC since it would make my life easier. > What about you? :-) Well, if I'm reading clocks right, 3PM UTC is 8AM pacific time, and that time looks as good as any. I currently think I should be able to make it to at least part of the meeting, but scheduling is so crazy that I don't know for sure. > Agenda: > + new modules decision > + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) > + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) > =3D> remember to think about someone you'd recommend to replace you if > you want to leave Looks good. May also want to cover: - Will the subversion migration (if it goes forward before 2.16) mess up the release schedule? - Do we have anyone on the line for writing release notes? - http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks is out of date at least as far as people to task matching. Do we want to try to re-divide things up? From vuntz@gnome.org Sat Jul 22 14:48:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEB53B017E for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24829-02 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BAF3B01A5 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876C011267D for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:48:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:48:54 +0200 Message-Id: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:48:34 -0000 Here are the minutes from yesterday's meeting. Feel free to slap me for errors :-) Attendance: =========== Frédéric Crozat Jeff Waugh Federico Mena-Quintero John Palmieri Elijah Newren Vincent Untz Missing: ======== Kjartan Maraas Luis Villa Agenda: ======= + new modules decision + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) + will the subversion migration (if it goes forward before 2.16) mess up the release schedule? + do we have anyone on the line for writing release notes? + http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks is out of date at least as far as people to task matching. Do we want to try to re-divide things up? New modules decision: ===================== + orca => full support from the community, even from the gnopernicus maintainers => we have to encourage orca people to make the migration as smooth as possible (and they're willing to do so) => IN => it probably means we dump gnopernicus + alacarte => users like it => some distributions (will) ship it => gsimple-menu-editor is far too simple => no issue with this module => we need to patch the apps to make use of it (gnome-panel patch available) => IN + gnome-power-manager => positive consensus => IN + gtk# (for the bindings suite) => positive consensus => need to split API/ABI (stable vs unstable) (think gnome-python, gnome-python-desktop) => IN if it can be splitted (or without splitting if there are solid concerns about doing so) + tomboy => we don't consider the use of gtk# in desktop for now => positive consensus => some issue wrt duplication with and/or import from sticky notes => Jeff proposes something else: don't accept it because it's cool and we want to encourage an outside ecosystem => Vincent disagrees about taking such a decision without knowing what the community thinks about it => decision: let Jeff send a mail about it, look what Alex thinks about it and see if there's a new consensus Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: =================================== Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. Subversion migration: ===================== It might be an issue if it takes a long time (blocking releases, eg). Jeff wants to push for postponing the migration to after 2.16, so this would not be an issue. Getting new people: =================== Luis will probably want to leave the team. We need to ping him so he finds a new member. Anybody else wanting to leave? Writing release notes: ====================== We'll find someone by mail. http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks ============================================ Feeling that it will never be uptodate. But we can try updating it :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vuntz@gnome.org Sat Jul 22 14:58:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84023B00EB for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25359-06 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0730B3B00F0 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354AC11267D for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:58:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:59:09 +0200 Message-Id: <1153594749.1244.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:58:47 -0000 (Luis: there's a ping for you in there :-)) On sam, 2006-07-22 at 20:48 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > New modules decision: > ===================== We probably want to send a mail to devel-announce-list about this. Any volunteer? (I'll do it later if nobody has done it) [...] > + gtk# (for the bindings suite) > => positive consensus > => need to split API/ABI (stable vs unstable) (think gnome-python, > gnome-python-desktop) > => IN if it can be splitted (or without splitting if there are solid > concerns about doing so) Looks like Mike is not fond of splitting. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-July/msg00529.html We need to reply here. > + tomboy > => we don't consider the use of gtk# in desktop for now > => positive consensus > => some issue wrt duplication with and/or import from sticky notes > => Jeff proposes something else: don't accept it because it's cool > and we want to encourage an outside ecosystem > => Vincent disagrees about taking such a decision without knowing > what the community thinks about it > => decision: let Jeff send a mail about it, look what Alex thinks > about it and see if there's a new consensus My current feeling is that people don't agree with Jeff right now. A lot of people probably didn't have time to reply, though. > Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: > =================================== > Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. So, we might have to take a decision soon. I do not see any consensus in the community here :/ My personal opinion is that I'd like to see one release with gtk# in the bindings before doing so (to see if everything works fine). [...] > Getting new people: > =================== > Luis will probably want to leave the team. We need to ping him so he > finds a new member. Luis: ping :-) > Anybody else wanting to leave? > > Writing release notes: > ====================== > We'll find someone by mail. Any volunteer to ping marketing-list, or someone in particular? > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks > ============================================ > Feeling that it will never be uptodate. But we can try updating it :-) Any volunteer? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From luis.villa@gmail.com Sat Jul 22 15:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5512F3B00F0 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25616-01 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6684B3B01A5 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1816969ugf for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.22.2 with SMTP id z2mr1932295ugi; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.3 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:02:28 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) In-Reply-To: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:02:32 -0000 I thought I left r-t for all except 'I'll skim the mailing list' purposes, like, ages ago? :) On 7/22/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > Here are the minutes from yesterday's meeting. > > Feel free to slap me for errors :-) > > Attendance: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Fr=E9d=E9ric Crozat > Jeff Waugh > Federico Mena-Quintero > John Palmieri > Elijah Newren > Vincent Untz > > Missing: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Kjartan Maraas > Luis Villa > > Agenda: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > + new modules decision > + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) > + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) > + will the subversion migration (if it goes forward before 2.16) > mess up the release schedule? > + do we have anyone on the line for writing release notes? > + http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks is out of date at > least as far as people to task matching. Do we want to try to > re-divide things up? > > New modules decision: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > + orca > =3D> full support from the community, even from the gnopernicus > maintainers > =3D> we have to encourage orca people to make the migration as smooth > as possible (and they're willing to do so) > =3D> IN > =3D> it probably means we dump gnopernicus > > + alacarte > =3D> users like it > =3D> some distributions (will) ship it > =3D> gsimple-menu-editor is far too simple > =3D> no issue with this module > =3D> we need to patch the apps to make use of it (gnome-panel patch > available) > =3D> IN > > + gnome-power-manager > =3D> positive consensus > =3D> IN > > + gtk# (for the bindings suite) > =3D> positive consensus > =3D> need to split API/ABI (stable vs unstable) (think gnome-python, > gnome-python-desktop) > =3D> IN if it can be splitted (or without splitting if there are soli= d > concerns about doing so) > > + tomboy > =3D> we don't consider the use of gtk# in desktop for now > =3D> positive consensus > =3D> some issue wrt duplication with and/or import from sticky notes > =3D> Jeff proposes something else: don't accept it because it's cool > and we want to encourage an outside ecosystem > =3D> Vincent disagrees about taking such a decision without knowing > what the community thinks about it > =3D> decision: let Jeff send a mail about it, look what Alex thinks > about it and see if there's a new consensus > > Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. > > Subversion migration: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > It might be an issue if it takes a long time (blocking releases, eg). > Jeff wants to push for postponing the migration to after 2.16, so this > would not be an issue. > > Getting new people: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Luis will probably want to leave the team. We need to ping him so he > finds a new member. > Anybody else wanting to leave? > > Writing release notes: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > We'll find someone by mail. > > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Feeling that it will never be uptodate. But we can try updating it :-) > > Vincent > > -- > Les gens heureux ne sont pas press=E9s. > > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From luis.villa@gmail.com Sat Jul 22 15:04:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F363B031E for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25616-04 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE963B0268 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1817368ugf for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr1933191ugl; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.3 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440607221204m1d9a1672ya900734eaf6f00e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:04:25 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) In-Reply-To: <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:04:28 -0000 November 7th of '05, to be specific, I said I was nothing but a lurker :) Luis On 7/22/06, Luis Villa wrote: > I thought I left r-t for all except 'I'll skim the mailing list' > purposes, like, ages ago? :) > > On 7/22/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Here are the minutes from yesterday's meeting. > > > > Feel free to slap me for errors :-) > > > > Attendance: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Fr=E9d=E9ric Crozat > > Jeff Waugh > > Federico Mena-Quintero > > John Palmieri > > Elijah Newren > > Vincent Untz > > > > Missing: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Kjartan Maraas > > Luis Villa > > > > Agenda: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > + new modules decision > > + accepting gtk# apps in the desktop (related to first item) > > + getting new people in the team? (if some of us want to leave) > > + will the subversion migration (if it goes forward before 2.16) > > mess up the release schedule? > > + do we have anyone on the line for writing release notes? > > + http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks is out of date at > > least as far as people to task matching. Do we want to try to > > re-divide things up? > > > > New modules decision: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > + orca > > =3D> full support from the community, even from the gnopernicus > > maintainers > > =3D> we have to encourage orca people to make the migration as smoo= th > > as possible (and they're willing to do so) > > =3D> IN > > =3D> it probably means we dump gnopernicus > > > > + alacarte > > =3D> users like it > > =3D> some distributions (will) ship it > > =3D> gsimple-menu-editor is far too simple > > =3D> no issue with this module > > =3D> we need to patch the apps to make use of it (gnome-panel patch > > available) > > =3D> IN > > > > + gnome-power-manager > > =3D> positive consensus > > =3D> IN > > > > + gtk# (for the bindings suite) > > =3D> positive consensus > > =3D> need to split API/ABI (stable vs unstable) (think gnome-python= , > > gnome-python-desktop) > > =3D> IN if it can be splitted (or without splitting if there are so= lid > > concerns about doing so) > > > > + tomboy > > =3D> we don't consider the use of gtk# in desktop for now > > =3D> positive consensus > > =3D> some issue wrt duplication with and/or import from sticky note= s > > =3D> Jeff proposes something else: don't accept it because it's coo= l > > and we want to encourage an outside ecosystem > > =3D> Vincent disagrees about taking such a decision without knowing > > what the community thinks about it > > =3D> decision: let Jeff send a mail about it, look what Alex thinks > > about it and see if there's a new consensus > > > > Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. > > > > Subversion migration: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > It might be an issue if it takes a long time (blocking releases, eg). > > Jeff wants to push for postponing the migration to after 2.16, so this > > would not be an issue. > > > > Getting new people: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Luis will probably want to leave the team. We need to ping him so he > > finds a new member. > > Anybody else wanting to leave? > > > > Writing release notes: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > We'll find someone by mail. > > > > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/Tasks > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Feeling that it will never be uptodate. But we can try updating it :-) > > > > Vincent > > > > -- > > Les gens heureux ne sont pas press=E9s. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > release-team mailing list > > release-team@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > > > From vuntz@gnome.org Sat Jul 22 15:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7AC3B0093 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25805-04 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7E03B017E for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDEA11267D for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:10:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:10:27 +0200 Message-Id: <1153595427.1244.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:10:05 -0000 On sam, 2006-07-22 at 15:02 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > I thought I left r-t for all except 'I'll skim the mailing list' > purposes, like, ages ago? :) So, who's replacing you? :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From jdub@waugh.id.au Sat Jul 22 19:28:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A973B0266 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03585-03 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976DD3B01C7 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E4E3D996 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:28:23 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 17D114235; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:28:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:28:11 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) Message-ID: <20060722232811.GQ1705@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: release-team@gnome.org References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1153594749.1244.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1153594749.1244.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 Reply-By: Wed Jul 26 09:27:14 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 09:27:14 up 18 days, 2:44, 7 users, load average: 1.01, 1.03, 1.03 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:28:25 -0000 > > Accepting gtk# apps in the desktop: > > =================================== > > Was not debated because of the tomboy decision and lack of time. > > So, we might have to take a decision soon. I do not see any consensus in > the community here :/ This is a much bigger issue than release team - I don't think we can, or should, make a decision about this. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Perl: Making thick Windows admins redundant since 1987. From kaffeetisch@gmx.de Sun Jul 23 06:56:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5043B0010 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31119-02 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D42E3B000E for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Jul 2006 10:56:11 -0000 Received: from port-212-202-210-236.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) [212.202.210.236] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 12:56:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #2092818 Subject: Gtk2-Perl 2.15.90 From: Torsten Schoenfeld To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:56:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1153652171.7232.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:56:14 -0000 Aloha, the tarballs that make up Gtk2-Perl 2.15.90 can be found at /home/users/tsch/gtk2-perl/2.15.90 on master.gnome.org. -- Bye, -Torsten From vuntz@gnome.org Sun Jul 23 11:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FB13B00F6; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09783-05; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACF13B00B0; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5F111267D; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:07:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-panel (finally) branched for 2.14 From: Vincent Untz To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:08:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1153667291.1244.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:07:53 -0000 Hi all, gnome-panel has been branched for 2.14. The 2.14 branch is gnome-2-14. HEAD is for 2.15/2.16. There's no known plans. Yet :-) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From dsandras@seconix.com Mon Jul 24 06:04:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDDC3B008A for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20236-07 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net (ekiga.net [213.186.62.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD643B0091 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B767183C21; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:59:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns20085.ovh.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14793-06; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.123.100] (124.116-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.116.124]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B38283C1E; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 From: Damien Sandras To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:08:42 +0200 Message-Id: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at gnomemeeting.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: Cc: jpuydt@free.fr X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:04:38 -0000 Hello, I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). Thank you, -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone: http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ FOSDEM 2006 : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras@ekiga.net sip:600000@ekiga.net From vincent@vuntz.net Mon Jul 24 06:46:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8663B0007 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22187-06 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D153B0091 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B6176112685; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:46:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:46:13 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Damien Sandras Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 Message-ID: <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, jpuydt@free.fr X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:46:17 -0000 Hi Damien, Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:08, Damien Sandras a écrit : > Hello, > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? This gives you more time for a rocking 2.2.0 release :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From dsandras@seconix.com Mon Jul 24 06:52:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930963B00A6; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22636-02; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net (ekiga.net [213.186.62.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87EA3B0007; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2AC83C25; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:48:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns20085.ovh.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02667-09; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:47:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.123.100] (unknown [80.201.116.124]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497B283C1E; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:47:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 From: Damien Sandras To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:56:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at gnomemeeting.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, jpuydt@free.fr X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:52:40 -0000 Hi Vincent, Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 12:46 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Hi Damien, > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:08, Damien Sandras a écrit : > > Hello, > > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are > > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. > > > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). > > Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the > gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? > Yes :) > This gives you more time for a rocking 2.2.0 release :-) > Indeed, be prepared for some huge changes ;-) > Vincent > -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone: http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ FOSDEM 2006 : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras@ekiga.net sip:600000@ekiga.net From vincent@vuntz.net Mon Jul 24 06:56:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D30E3B0133; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22859-02; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB403B012F; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C75F0112685; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:56:19 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Damien Sandras Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 Message-ID: <20060724105619.GJ9665@vuntz.net> References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, jpuydt@free.fr, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:56:22 -0000 Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:56, Damien Sandras a écrit : > Hi Vincent, > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 12:46 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > > Hi Damien, > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:08, Damien Sandras a écrit : > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are > > > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. > > > > > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). > > > > Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the > > gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? > > > > Yes :) I updated the moduleset. I guess translators (and doc people?) will also be interested to learn about this :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From rosechr@gmail.com Mon Jul 24 08:10:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D089A3B00D8 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27099-09 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A912C3B022E for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y38so1392535nfb for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.170.17 with SMTP id s17mr1452633hue; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.125.15 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0607240510r35251811k1ecd923ea2941662@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:10:00 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Vincent Untz" , "Damien Sandras" Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 In-Reply-To: <20060724105619.GJ9665@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> <20060724105619.GJ9665@vuntz.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 43d48803a482aba3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, jpuydt@free.fr, gnome-doc-list , gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:10:03 -0000 On 7/24/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, =E0 12:56, Damien Sandras a =E9crit : > > Hi Vincent, > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 =E0 12:46 +0200, Vincent Untz a =E9crit : > > > Hi Damien, > > > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, =E0 12:08, Damien Sandras a =E9crit : > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we a= re > > > > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNO= ME. > > > > > > > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). > > > > > > Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the > > > gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? > > > > > > > Yes :) > > I updated the moduleset. I guess translators (and doc people?) will also > be interested to learn about this :-) Oh yes, very much indeed. I guess I should interpret this as in "translators should translate the gnome-2-14 branch of ekiga also for GNOME 2.16, instead of HEAD"? That's at least how I changed the translation status pages now. Christian From dsandras@seconix.com Mon Jul 24 08:30:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFB13B0105; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28543-09; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net (ekiga.net [213.186.62.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1633B008C; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9015183C21; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:26:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ns20085.ovh.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns20085.ovh.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21638-08; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.123.100] (124.116-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.116.124]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ns20085.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A231C83C22; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Ekiga and GNOME 2.16 From: Damien Sandras To: Christian Rose In-Reply-To: <97da516f0607240510r35251811k1ecd923ea2941662@mail.gmail.com> References: <1153735722.3603.13.camel@golgoth01> <20060724104613.GI9665@vuntz.net> <1153738598.3603.72.camel@golgoth01> <20060724105619.GJ9665@vuntz.net> <97da516f0607240510r35251811k1ecd923ea2941662@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:34:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1153744492.9842.2.camel@golgoth01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at gnomemeeting.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.459 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.459 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, Vincent Untz , jpuydt@free.fr, gnome-doc-list , gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:30:38 -0000 Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 14:10 +0200, Christian Rose a écrit : > On 7/24/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:56, Damien Sandras a écrit : > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 12:46 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > > > > Hi Damien, > > > > > > > > Le lundi 24 juillet 2006, à 12:08, Damien Sandras a écrit : > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that it is extremely unlikely that we are > > > > > able to do a new major release of Ekiga for the next release of GNOME. > > > > > > > > > > We will however do a minor release (2.0.3 or 2.0.4). > > > > > > > > Thanks for letting us know! I guess it means we should use the > > > > gnome-2-14 branch for jhbuild, am I right? > > > > > > > > > > Yes :) > > > > I updated the moduleset. I guess translators (and doc people?) will also > > be interested to learn about this :-) > > Oh yes, very much indeed. I guess I should interpret this as in > "translators should translate the gnome-2-14 branch of ekiga also for > GNOME 2.16, instead of HEAD"? > > That's at least how I changed the translation status pages now. Exactly :) Thanks, -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone: http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ FOSDEM 2006 : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras@ekiga.net sip:600000@ekiga.net From pborelli@katamail.com Mon Jul 24 11:31:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB10B3B00B6; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06341-01; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-7a.inet.it (fe-7a.inet.it [213.92.5.113]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABF93B0017; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host232-46.pool8258.interbusiness.it ([::ffff:82.58.46.232]) by fe-7a.inet.it via I-SMTP-5.4.3-545 id ::ffff:82.58.46.232+D1vwsJRFT381; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:31:10 +0200 Subject: gtksourceview branched From: Paolo Borelli To: release-team@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:31:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1153755066.5489.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20060724153111.201980@host232-46.pool8258.interbusiness.it> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.276 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.521, BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.276 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:31:15 -0000 Hi, gtksourceview has been finally branched for gnome 2.14. No new features are planned, the branch has been done just to add some new .lang files which add some translatable strings. In case someone is wondering if there are exciting new features planned on the longer term, yes: a brand new gtksourceview with more powerful highlighing capabilities is beeing worked on as part of Google SoC... hopefully ready for gnome 2.18. ciao paolo From luis.villa@gmail.com Mon Jul 24 14:38:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707973B0081 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14755-04 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D43D3B006F for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so2552847ugf for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr3869522ugg; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.3 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440607241138j5b12e763wbc881c2b2a374ab9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:38:50 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" Sender: luis.villa@gmail.com To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: Minutes of the meeting (2006-07-21) In-Reply-To: <1153595427.1244.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1153594134.1244.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2cb10c440607221202vcb8c191i68dfb9246fffe46f@mail.gmail.com> <1153595427.1244.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37644c31f8b81602 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:38:52 -0000 On 7/22/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > On sam, 2006-07-22 at 15:02 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > > I thought I left r-t for all except 'I'll skim the mailing list' > > purposes, like, ages ago? :) > > So, who's replacing you? :-) At the time Federico was suggested as a replacement. Honestly, I don't have any better suggestions at the moment- maybe Andre Klapper? Luis From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Mon Jul 24 19:19:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF553B0133 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27745-01 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29113B022D for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i5so735238wra for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.128.1 with SMTP id a1mr4360249wrd; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.3? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 44sm4909406wri.2006.07.24.16.19.42; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pango release slipping From: Behdad Esfahbod To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:41 -0400 Message-Id: <1153783181.30174.25.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:19:47 -0000 Hi, It's that message again... :( Been away to conferences last week, and generally busy with other work. Released vte and gnome-terminal already, releasing gucharmap intime, but Pango takes a bit late. We are updating to Unicode 5.0. Glib and gucharmap are done, but Pango needs more work. I'm in the middle of it. Given that as requested by the release team I'm going to release Pango 1.14.0 on August 7, I think having the Unicode 5.0 data in the release this week is helpful. Cheers, -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From newren@gmail.com Tue Jul 25 01:42:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8394C3B0074 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09897-09 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C773B0090 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so2760239ugf for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr4357178ugg; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:42:11 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Gnome Release Team" Subject: 2.15.90, new module decisions... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.432 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.432 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:42:13 -0000 Hi everyone, I put a 2.15.90 moduleset up at http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.90, if anyone wants to help out with this release or even take it over, I definitely wouldn't stand in your way. In fact, you'd be my hero. :) I've got it to work up through dbus-glib, but it fails at dbus-python (i.e. relatively early in the set) since I can't figure out how to get jhbuild's distutils support to work with tarballs (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308328#c12; this is also needed to get pyrex installed as well, which has long been an issue). And it's time for me to sleep right now. Also, we should probably meet to discuss what to do with the remaining modules we don't have a decision on. What works best for everyone? Finally, anyone want to volunteer to send out an announcement about orca, gnome-power-manager, and alacarte, and explain why the other three issues are still pending -- or should we wait until we've decided on those as well? Thanks for all your awesome work everyone, Elijah From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jul 26 02:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D193B007E for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11314-07 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB2C3B0096 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE24511267D for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:55:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:55:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:55:10 -0000 Hi Elijah, On lun, 2006-07-24 at 23:42 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I put a 2.15.90 moduleset up at > http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.15.90, if anyone wants to > help out with this release or even take it over, I definitely wouldn't > stand in your way. In fact, you'd be my hero. :) I've got it to > work up through dbus-glib, but it fails at dbus-python (i.e. > relatively early in the set) since I can't figure out how to get > jhbuild's distutils support to work with tarballs > (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308328#c12; this is also > needed to get pyrex installed as well, which has long been an issue). > And it's time for me to sleep right now. Thanks for working on the release. I'm sorry I can't help this time... > Also, we should probably meet to discuss what to do with the remaining > modules we don't have a decision on. What works best for everyone? European times for me :-) (7am-16pm UTC, and 19pm-21pm UTC can also work) I'm afraid it looks like Gtk# maintainers don't want to split the module, which is a "no way" for me. > Finally, anyone want to volunteer to send out an announcement about > orca, gnome-power-manager, and alacarte, and explain why the other > three issues are still pending -- or should we wait until we've > decided on those as well? I'll try to send a mail about this today. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From olav@bkor.dhs.org Wed Jul 26 12:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3243B00EC for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08731-03 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsfep20-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DD03B012C for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep20-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20060726165648.CLNB1297.amsfep20-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:56:48 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7499D606A3C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:56:47 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Deprecating Bug-Buddy versions before 2.16.0 Message-ID: <20060726165647.GE29153@bkor.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.334 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.334 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:56:58 -0000 With the release of Bug-Buddy 2.16 I want to deprecate the email interface used by the older Bug-Buddy versions. It will still be supported for at least a year after bug-buddy has been released. After that the official support will be over. In practice this means that I will not add the email interface Bug-Buddy support to the first bugzilla.gnome.org after around Sep 2007. So it could be that the support goes on until 2010. Or that it ends on 10 Sep 2007. I can probably guess people will complain about this. Already know one non-Bug-Buddy app using the email interface. I only learned about this afterwards and IMO it is not my problem. Never ever considered the email interface as something stable. Of course, if there is a person really wanting to have the interface staying alive, then I'll gladly make them maintainer of the existing interface when 2.16.0 is out. As Bug-Buddy is the cause of many filed crasher bugs, I need some sort of agreement from release team that it is ok not to receive from GNOME 2.14.x versions (and before) when 2.20.0 is released. After release-team I want to announce this to d-d-l. And include it in the release notes. -- Regards, Olav From newren@gmail.com Wed Jul 26 13:10:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0EB3B009F for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09482-04 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD893B00E0 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so3495912ugf for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr6201475ugh; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.6 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607261010i4c0bf3cbmc1404b2b50787fda@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:10:55 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Olav Vitters" Subject: Re: Deprecating Bug-Buddy versions before 2.16.0 In-Reply-To: <20060726165647.GE29153@bkor.dhs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060726165647.GE29153@bkor.dhs.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:10:57 -0000 On 7/26/06, Olav Vitters wrote: > With the release of Bug-Buddy 2.16 I want to deprecate the email > interface used by the older Bug-Buddy versions. It will still be > supported for at least a year after bug-buddy has been released. After > that the official support will be over. > In practice this means that I will not add the email interface Bug-Buddy > support to the first bugzilla.gnome.org after around Sep 2007. So it > could be that the support goes on until 2010. Or that it ends on 10 Sep > 2007. > > I can probably guess people will complain about this. Already know one > non-Bug-Buddy app using the email interface. I only learned about this > afterwards and IMO it is not my problem. Never ever considered the email > interface as something stable. Not only was it unstable, it also didn't work, though you made a marvellous effort to make it not suck nearly so bad. Given that it's been an unending source of headaches and people's bug reports getting rejected (for no reason other than 'our parser sucks' or perhaps 'your email client sucks for sending html'), I'm in favor. Bugs from versions of software over a year old tend to not be so useful anyway. > Of course, if there is a person really wanting to have the interface > staying alive, then I'll gladly make them maintainer of the existing > interface when 2.16.0 is out. > > As Bug-Buddy is the cause of many filed crasher bugs, I need some sort > of agreement from release team that it is ok not to receive from GNOME > 2.14.x versions (and before) when 2.20.0 is released. Personally, I'd really like to see some kind of more general mechanism for automatically rejecting bug reports against versions of software over a year old; which is only a one-time side effect of this change. I guess you're asking though because other people might be using that email interface besides bug-buddy, which I agree shouldn't have been considered a stable interface. So... +2. (since 1 is equal to 2 for large values of 1) > After release-team I want to announce this to d-d-l. And include it in > the release notes. Sounds good to me. :) From thos@gnome.org Wed Jul 26 16:25:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9363B00A0 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18161-06 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.thos.me.uk (88-96-30-66.dsl.zen.co.uk [88.96.30.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7A53B0086 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88-96-30-67.dsl.zen.co.uk ([88.96.30.67]) by orion.thos.me.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1G5pvc-0005Ew-KK for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:24:24 +0100 Message-ID: <44C7CFB6.50003@gnome.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:25:26 +0100 From: Thomas Wood User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Feature Freeze Break Request for gnome-theme-manager Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.326 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.908, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -1.326 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:25:09 -0000 I'd like to commit the patch attached to bug 346041[1], but I think it may break the feature freeze. This feature is not actually evident in the UI, but it is useful to sysadmins, and will be used in future releases of Pessulus. -Thomas [1] From vincent@vuntz.net Thu Jul 27 02:42:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A04B3B0010 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07612-08 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA973B00B0 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0A2A112685; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:42:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:42:46 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Elijah Newren Subject: Re: Deprecating Bug-Buddy versions before 2.16.0 Message-ID: <20060727064246.GB11389@vuntz.net> References: <20060726165647.GE29153@bkor.dhs.org> <51419b2c0607261010i4c0bf3cbmc1404b2b50787fda@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607261010i4c0bf3cbmc1404b2b50787fda@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, Olav Vitters X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:42:50 -0000 Le mercredi 26 juillet 2006, à 11:10, Elijah Newren a écrit : > On 7/26/06, Olav Vitters wrote: > > With the release of Bug-Buddy 2.16 I want to deprecate the email > > interface used by the older Bug-Buddy versions. It will still be > > supported for at least a year after bug-buddy has been released. After > > that the official support will be over. > > In practice this means that I will not add the email interface Bug-Buddy > > support to the first bugzilla.gnome.org after around Sep 2007. So it > > could be that the support goes on until 2010. Or that it ends on 10 Sep > > 2007. > > > > I can probably guess people will complain about this. Already know one > > non-Bug-Buddy app using the email interface. I only learned about this > > afterwards and IMO it is not my problem. Never ever considered the email > > interface as something stable. > > Not only was it unstable, it also didn't work, though you made a > marvellous effort to make it not suck nearly so bad. Given that it's > been an unending source of headaches and people's bug reports getting > rejected (for no reason other than 'our parser sucks' or perhaps 'your > email client sucks for sending html'), I'm in favor. Bugs from > versions of software over a year old tend to not be so useful anyway. > > > Of course, if there is a person really wanting to have the interface > > staying alive, then I'll gladly make them maintainer of the existing > > interface when 2.16.0 is out. > > > > As Bug-Buddy is the cause of many filed crasher bugs, I need some sort > > of agreement from release team that it is ok not to receive from GNOME > > 2.14.x versions (and before) when 2.20.0 is released. > > Personally, I'd really like to see some kind of more general mechanism > for automatically rejecting bug reports against versions of software > over a year old; which is only a one-time side effect of this change. > I guess you're asking though because other people might be using that > email interface besides bug-buddy, which I agree shouldn't have been > considered a stable interface. So... > > +2. (since 1 is equal to 2 for large values of 1) Looks okay to me too. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From fcrozat@mandriva.com Thu Jul 27 04:22:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AED3B02EB; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12259-09; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from office.mandriva.com (ezoffice.mandriva.com [84.14.106.134]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA3B3B00B0; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinidad.mandrakesoft.com (trinidad.mandrakesoft.com [192.168.100.216]) by office.mandriva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059A52; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Feature Freeze Break Request for gnome-theme-manager From: Frederic Crozat To: Thomas Wood In-Reply-To: <44C7CFB6.50003@gnome.org> References: <44C7CFB6.50003@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Mandriva Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1153988550.4355.3.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3-10.1.20060mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:22:34 -0000 Le mercredi 26 juillet 2006 à 21:25 +0100, Thomas Wood a écrit : > I'd like to commit the patch attached to bug 346041[1], but I think it > may break the feature freeze. > > This feature is not actually evident in the UI, but it is useful to > sysadmins, and will be used in future releases of Pessulus. > > -Thomas > > > [1] Approval one of two. Don't forget to ping i18n team if feature is approved ;) -- Frederic Crozat Mandriva From pjc51@srcf.ucam.org Thu Jul 27 04:50:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB133B011E; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13944-03; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.130]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C4B3B0139; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:50:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from student.cusu.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.179.82]:42570 helo=kern.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) by ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.130]:25) with esmtp id 1G61Z2-0000Dt-0q (Exim 4.54) (return-path ); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:49:52 +0100 Received: from pjc51 by kern.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1G61Yz-0002Bm-00; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:49:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:49:49 +0100 From: Phil Cowans To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org, dasherteam@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dasher CVS Branch Message-ID: <20060727084947.GA4496@srcf.ucam.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: Phil Cowans X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:50:11 -0000 Hi All, Just to let you know that I've just branched Dasher CVS for the GNOME 2.16 release (Dasher 4.2). HEAD will now be used for development of new features which will not appear in a stable version until GNOME 2.18, whereas the gnome-2-16 branch will be used for all further GNOME 2.15 and 2.16 releases. Thanks, Phil From mccann@jhu.edu Thu Jul 27 10:48:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876853B0096 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01558-08 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipex2.johnshopkins.edu (ipex2.johnshopkins.edu [162.129.8.151]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303653B007E for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adcam-2.pha.jhu.edu (HELO adcam.pha.jhu.edu) ([128.220.146.77]) by ipex2.johnshopkins.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 27 Jul 2006 10:47:59 -0400 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,188,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="176973052:sNHT19668536" Received: from [128.220.146.22] (acs7 [128.220.146.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by adcam.pha.jhu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RElxAg005802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:47:59 -0400 From: William Jon McCann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8-1.4.1 (X11/20060420) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:01 -0000 Hi, I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all keyboardless touch screen systems. Ok to land this? Thanks, Jon From vuntz@gnome.org Fri Jul 28 06:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A933A3B0085; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25889-06; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE87F3B000E; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 1476A112685; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <34523.129.88.38.77.1154083397.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1153988550.4355.3.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> References: <44C7CFB6.50003@gnome.org> <1153988550.4355.3.camel@trinidad.mandrakesoft.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Feature Freeze Break Request for gnome-theme-manager From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Frederic Crozat" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Thomas Wood , release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:43:21 -0000 On Thu, July 27, 2006 10:22, Frederic Crozat wrote: > Le mercredi 26 juillet 2006 à 21:25 +0100, Thomas Wood a écrit : >> I'd like to commit the patch attached to bug 346041[1], but I think it >> may break the feature freeze. >> >> This feature is not actually evident in the UI, but it is useful to >> sysadmins, and will be used in future releases of Pessulus. >> >> -Thomas >> >> >> [1] > > Approval one of two. 2/2. It'd probably be nice to also watch the gconf key and update the dialog if it changes ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vuntz@gnome.org Fri Jul 28 06:50:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5B23B0084 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26035-10 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06EF3B0085 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 0A3D6112685; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:50:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:50:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> References: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:50:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver From: "Vincent Untz" To: "William Jon McCann" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:50:57 -0000 Hi, On Thu, July 27, 2006 16:47, William Jon McCann wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 > > This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all > keyboardless touch screen systems. > > Ok to land this? Looks nice. I would prefer to wait for the next cycle, but if it can help with a11y, then you might get one approval from me. Or is this something that you think is urgently needed? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From mccann@jhu.edu Fri Jul 28 11:52:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112953B0080; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-07; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipex4.johnshopkins.edu (ipex4.johnshopkins.edu [128.220.2.151]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDAE3B000E; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adcam-2.pha.jhu.edu (HELO adcam.pha.jhu.edu) ([128.220.146.77]) by ipex4.johnshopkins.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 28 Jul 2006 11:52:36 -0400 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,193,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="174404585:sNHT23129432" Received: from [128.220.146.22] (acs7 [128.220.146.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by adcam.pha.jhu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SFqbRk017557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44CA32C5.4080404@jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:52:37 -0400 From: William Jon McCann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8-1.4.1 (X11/20060420) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Untz Subject: Re: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver References: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.552 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.552 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:52:45 -0000 Hey, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Thu, July 27, 2006 16:47, William Jon McCann wrote: >>I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: >>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 >> >>This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all >>keyboardless touch screen systems. >> >>Ok to land this? > > Looks nice. I would prefer to wait for the next cycle, but if it can > help with a11y, then you might get one approval from me. Or is this > something that you think is urgently needed? This feature is basically nothing more than adding another GtkSocket interface to the window. The keyboard part you see in the screenshot is an example of something that can plug into it but it isn't part of gnome-screensaver itself. Also this feature is disabled by default. Right now anyone who can't use the keyboard has to disable the screensaver altogether. * There is very little complexity involved. * It should be able the use of a11y features. * It is really necessary for any system that doesn't have a keyboard. - kiosk - tablet PC - handheld device I want to get this framework in now. For the next cycle I want to add logic that will automatically detect if you require a11y features and turn this feature on. And similarly look at gtk touchscreen-mode setting to see if the feature should be on. Can I get approval? Thanks, Jon From newren@gmail.com Sat Jul 29 10:05:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F71E3B0083 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24281-02 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E723B008C for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y38so78547nfb for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.156.6 with SMTP id d6mr108762hue; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.178.11 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:05:40 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... In-Reply-To: <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:05:47 -0000 On 7/26/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Also, we should probably meet to discuss what to do with the remaining > > modules we don't have a decision on. What works best for everyone? > > European times for me :-) (7am-16pm UTC, and 19pm-21pm UTC can also > work) Oops, let things slip through the cracks with the utterly crazy week I've had. Okay, does 20:00 UTC today work or is that too short notice? If so, does 20:00 UTC Monday work for everyone? Thanks, Elijah From kmaraas@broadpark.no Sun Jul 30 18:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC2E3B00B5; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12235-07; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890103B0376; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J3800CVCN0T7UC0@osl1smout1.broadpark.no>; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.76] ([80.202.165.212]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J38000ORN0TFBC0@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:39 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver In-reply-to: <44CA32C5.4080404@jhu.edu> To: William Jon McCann Message-id: <1154299299.2762.0.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 (2.7.4-3) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> <44CA32C5.4080404@jhu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.434 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.434 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, Vincent Untz X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:41:24 -0000 fre, 28,.07.2006 kl. 11.52 -0400, skrev William Jon McCann: > Hey, > > Vincent Untz wrote: > > On Thu, July 27, 2006 16:47, William Jon McCann wrote: > >>I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: > >>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 > >> > >>This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all > >>keyboardless touch screen systems. > >> > >>Ok to land this? > > > > Looks nice. I would prefer to wait for the next cycle, but if it can > > help with a11y, then you might get one approval from me. Or is this > > something that you think is urgently needed? > > This feature is basically nothing more than adding another GtkSocket > interface to the window. The keyboard part you see in the screenshot is > an example of something that can plug into it but it isn't part of > gnome-screensaver itself. Also this feature is disabled by default. > > Right now anyone who can't use the keyboard has to disable the > screensaver altogether. > > * There is very little complexity involved. > * It should be able the use of a11y features. > * It is really necessary for any system that doesn't have a keyboard. > - kiosk > - tablet PC > - handheld device > > I want to get this framework in now. For the next cycle I want to add > logic that will automatically detect if you require a11y features and > turn this feature on. And similarly look at gtk touchscreen-mode > setting to see if the feature should be on. > > Can I get approval? > In light of the above description I'm going to give it my approval. 1/2 Cheers Kjartan From newren@gmail.com Sun Jul 30 21:39:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0393B01D7 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18315-06 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289173B038E for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y38so328678nfb for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr379973hue; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.178.11 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0607301839ibeb3fa6r6478c434cade8dfe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:39:49 -0000 On 7/29/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Oops, let things slip through the cracks with the utterly crazy week > I've had. Okay, does 20:00 UTC today work or is that too short > notice? If so, does 20:00 UTC Monday work for everyone? Obviously yesterday was too short notice, as was not too surprising. :-) Oddly, I haven't heard back from anyone about Monday. Is 20:00 UTC on Monday actually ok for everyone? If not, please suggest a time or times that will work for you. From vuntz@gnome.org Mon Jul 31 12:42:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4FC3B0008 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23925-05 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3733B006D for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CDF11267D; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: feature/ui addition request for gnome-screensaver From: Vincent Untz To: Kjartan Maraas In-Reply-To: <1154299299.2762.0.camel@rivendell> References: <44C8D21F.5030006@jhu.edu> <39819.129.88.38.77.1154083854.squirrel@vuntz.net> <44CA32C5.4080404@jhu.edu> <1154299299.2762.0.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:42:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1154364170.5056.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.516 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.516 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, William Jon McCann X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:42:34 -0000 On lun, 2006-07-31 at 00:41 +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > fre, 28,.07.2006 kl. 11.52 -0400, skrev William Jon McCann: > > Hey, > > > > Vincent Untz wrote: > > > On Thu, July 27, 2006 16:47, William Jon McCann wrote: > > >>I'd like to add the following feature and bit of UI: > > >>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347721 > > >> > > >>This feature is off by default. But it is really essential for all > > >>keyboardless touch screen systems. > > >> > > >>Ok to land this? > > > > > > Looks nice. I would prefer to wait for the next cycle, but if it can > > > help with a11y, then you might get one approval from me. Or is this > > > something that you think is urgently needed? > > > > This feature is basically nothing more than adding another GtkSocket > > interface to the window. The keyboard part you see in the screenshot is > > an example of something that can plug into it but it isn't part of > > gnome-screensaver itself. Also this feature is disabled by default. > > > > Right now anyone who can't use the keyboard has to disable the > > screensaver altogether. > > > > * There is very little complexity involved. > > * It should be able the use of a11y features. > > * It is really necessary for any system that doesn't have a keyboard. > > - kiosk > > - tablet PC > > - handheld device > > > > I want to get this framework in now. For the next cycle I want to add > > logic that will automatically detect if you require a11y features and > > turn this feature on. And similarly look at gtk touchscreen-mode > > setting to see if the feature should be on. > > > > Can I get approval? > > > In light of the above description I'm going to give it my approval. > > 1/2 2/2 Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From vuntz@gnome.org Mon Jul 31 12:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402B93B0008 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23946-03 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAA73B0061 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (latronche.vuntz.net [10.0.0.7]) by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F20F11267D for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: 2.15.90, new module decisions... From: Vincent Untz To: release-team@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0607301839ibeb3fa6r6478c434cade8dfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0607242242k2a1f4731u876c0b6aa5273d6b@mail.gmail.com> <1153896939.6971.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <51419b2c0607290705j7236bfd6v7b287a3b8319b548@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0607301839ibeb3fa6r6478c434cade8dfe@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:43:23 +0200 Message-Id: <1154364203.5056.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:42:43 -0000 On dim, 2006-07-30 at 19:39 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 7/29/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > > Oops, let things slip through the cracks with the utterly crazy week > > I've had. Okay, does 20:00 UTC today work or is that too short > > notice? If so, does 20:00 UTC Monday work for everyone? > > Obviously yesterday was too short notice, as was not too surprising. > :-) Oddly, I haven't heard back from anyone about Monday. Is 20:00 > UTC on Monday actually ok for everyone? If not, please suggest a time > or times that will work for you. I'll try to be there :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés.