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On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 19:42, Marshall Scorcio <scorcm43@uwosh.edu> wrote:

> I am attaching a patch for rhythmbox in response to the feature request
> here:
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2008-June/msg00017.html


This should be attached on an appropriate bug in Bugzilla so it doesn't get
lost in the shuffle.

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On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 19:42, Marshall Scorcio &lt;<a href="mailto:scorcm43@uwosh.edu">scorcm43@uwosh.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I am attaching a patch for rhythmbox&nbsp;in response to the feature request here:<br>
<a href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2008-June/msg00017.html" target="_blank">http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2008-June/msg00017.html</a></blockquote><div><br>This should be attached on an appropriate bug in Bugzilla so it doesn&#39;t get lost in the shuffle. <br>
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See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D318629

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I did not realize that this was such a controversial issue.

After reading the bug comments it looks like the devs are pretty much against adding an option for changing the window close behavior.

Since the bug is a "WONTFIX" is there any reason for me to add my patch to the comments? 

I do not want to irritate any developers and if the project doesn't want my patch I totally understand.

My patch does differs from the other patches available in that it adds a check box to the preferences dialogs and I think it fits better with the rhythmbox coding style.



Marshall



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> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318629
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On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 17:59 -0500, Marshall Scorcio wrote:
> I did not realize that this was such a controversial issue.
>=20
> After reading the bug comments it looks like the devs are pretty much
> against adding an option for changing the window close behavior.
>=20
> Since the bug is a "WONTFIX" is there any reason for me to add my
> patch to the comments?=20
>=20
> I do not want to irritate any developers and if the project doesn't
> want my patch I totally understand.
>=20
> My patch does differs from the other patches available in that it adds
> a check box to the preferences dialogs and I think it fits better with
> the rhythmbox coding style.

Given that your patch makes the behaviour optional for those that want
it and "status quo" for those that don't, I would be greatly
disheartened to see the continued resistance to the feature.

Certainly I can understand resistance to a change in SOP, but given that
this change is selectable, why not?

b.


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Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> Given that your patch makes the behaviour optional for those that want
> it and "status quo" for those that don't, I would be greatly
> disheartened to see the continued resistance to the feature.
>
> Certainly I can understand resistance to a change in SOP, but given that
> this change is selectable, why not?
>   

I probably shouldn't get involved with something so controversial, 
but... what's wrong with clicking the tray icon when you want to 
minimize to tray?
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On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 17:10, Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> wrote:

> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318629


In case anyone missed it: Looks like the existing plugin was committed, and
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On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 17:10, Sven Arvidsson &lt;<a href="mailto:sa@whiz.se">sa@whiz.se</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
See <a href="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318629" target="_blank">http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318629</a></blockquote><div><br>In case anyone missed it: Looks like the existing plugin was committed, and that bug is now fixed.<br>
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Jonathan Matthew
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> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:29:06AM -0400, Charlotte Curtis wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Jonathan Matthew
>> <notverysmart@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Both the child watch and the timeout will only work when the GLib main
>> > loop is running.
>> Okay, that's what I (eventually) figured out.  Does it present a
>> problem for my plugin to have its own main loop (as in the email I
>> sent a few minutes before yours)?
>
> Recursive/nested mainloops make me very nervous.  They bring up a
> variety of horrible locking concerns and make it harder to understand
> what's going on.  I think it'd be best to avoid doing this, but
> obviously if nothing else works, then I guess you'll have to.

That's basically what my (Summer of Code) mentor said.  There's got to
be another way of doing it, and I don't want to make anyone nervous.

> Yeah, unfortunately this stuff does get complicated.  I'd much rather
> deal with the complexity up front (and I'm happy to help you get this
> working), though, than track down an occasional deadlock next year.

I'll get cracking on it, thanks for the offer of help.  I would also
rather do things right the first time.

Charlotte
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Ive been thinking about the lack of a internet radio guide and realized
shoutcast probably is NOT a good idea, instead it would be better to
give users their local stations as in this brainstorm idea:

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10591/

Make the radio part of Rhythmbox work a bit moore like a real radio and
pickup local stations. In addition to the standard ones.

Apart from that one would avoid the having to search through a gazzilion
crappy stations that also float arround on those kinds of guides.

/Patrick

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On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 01:07:19PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote:
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> After checking fedora's src.rpm seems that rhythmbox has a lot of bug
> fixed since 0.11.5 release, Is a 0.11.6 release planned soon?

I'm planning to release rhythmbox 0.11.6 early next week.
There's a prerelease tarball here:
http://methlab42.itee.uq.edu.au/~jonathan/rhythmbox-0.11.5.90.tar.bz2

Unless a serious problem comes up, the only differences between that and
the released version will be some translation updates (hopefully).

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I am new to ubuntu and was afraid of how my iPod would interact with it.
I've heard bad things. But rhythmbox has been beautiful to me.

Two small things that I think should be added (and, I would think, would be
easy (but I'm not a programmer so don't ask me)) is the ability to rearrange
the columns and the ability to create and edit playlists on an iPod. I
believe programs exist to do the latter already, but I'd rather not install
another program. The fact that other free software has already done it means
it ought to be even easier to add this functionality to rhythmbox.

Thank you!

ps- ideally, I think rhythmbox should be merged with the videoplayer. movies
and music should be arranged in the same list with icons to differentiate
and both should be draggable onto an external device. Maybe photos too?

pps- I will never buy an iPod again, unless magically Apple decides they
don't want to control my every move after I buy their products.

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I am new to ubuntu and was afraid of how my iPod would interact with it. I&#39;ve heard bad things. But rhythmbox has been beautiful to me.<br><br>Two small things that I think should be added (and, I would think, would be easy (but I&#39;m not a programmer so don&#39;t ask me)) is the ability to rearrange the columns and the ability to create and edit playlists on an iPod. I believe programs exist to do the latter already, but I&#39;d rather not install another program. The fact that other free software has already done it means it ought to be even easier to add this functionality to rhythmbox.<br>
<br>Thank you!<br><br>ps- ideally, I think rhythmbox should be merged with the videoplayer. movies and music should be arranged in the same list with icons to differentiate and both should be draggable onto an external device. Maybe photos too? <br>
<br>pps- I will never buy an iPod again, unless magically Apple decides they don&#39;t want to control my every move after I buy their products.<br>

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I recently jumped from KDE to Gnome (KDE4 is not to my liking), so I
try using rhythmbox instead of amarok. I mostly miss two functions of
amarok, so I'd like to ask whether they are available somehow (maybe
by some plugins?):

- easy access to songs related to the currently playing song (other
  songs from the same album, other songs by the same singer). My usage
  scenario is: I mostly listen to random songs (in rhythmbox this
  means shuffle mode on on whole collection), but often I decide I'd
  like to listen to more songs of the current artist. In amarok I see
  his albums on the left, I can right-click some album and enqueue it
  to the playlist.  Is rhythmbox able to do sth similar?

- automatical scoring (songs are automatically scored according to my
  listening habits, if I listen the song to the end, its score
  increases, if I jump to the next song or stop after few seconds its
  score lowers, ratios are accumulated (multiplied?) when I get the
  same song multiple times. That's fantastic feature, after some time
  I have my songs nicely scored without any effort.  
  Again: does anything similar exists for rhythmbox?


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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:54:24 +0200, Marcin Kasperski wrote
> - easy access to songs related to the currently playing song (other
>   songs from the same album, other songs by the same singer). My 
> usage  scenario is: I mostly listen to random songs (in rhythmbox 
> this  means shuffle mode on on whole collection), but often I decide 
> I'd  like to listen to more songs of the current artist. In amarok I 
> see  his albums on the left, I can right-click some album and 
> enqueue it  to the playlist.  Is rhythmbox able to do sth similar?

Ctl-j will make sure the browser is on the song you're listening to and then
right click on it and you'll see menu options for Browse This
{Genre,Artists,Album}.

--
Jason Bodnar
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Jason Bodnar wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:54:24 +0200, Marcin Kasperski wrote
>   
>> - easy access to songs related to the currently playing song (other
>>   songs from the same album, other songs by the same singer). My 
>> usage  scenario is: I mostly listen to random songs (in rhythmbox 
>> this  means shuffle mode on on whole collection), but often I decide 
>> I'd  like to listen to more songs of the current artist. In amarok I 
>> see  his albums on the left, I can right-click some album and 
>> enqueue it  to the playlist.  Is rhythmbox able to do sth similar?
>>     
>
> Ctl-j will make sure the browser is on the song you're listening to and then
> right click on it and you'll see menu options for Browse This
> {Genre,Artists,Album}.
>
>   
Yes, that's true, but it then it will only play from that album until 
you browse the whole collection once more. You'll find that there is no 
equivalent in Rhythmbox to a "Now Playing" playlist.  You either play 
the Music directly in the browser, or create a playlist and play that.  
Just mess with it and you'll see what I mean.  To my knowledge, there's 
not a good gnome player that works like Amarok does in that regard.


So if you want to keep in "Shuffle mode", right click the song, "Browse 
this Album", Select all the songs, and then right click and select "Add 
to Play Queue".  That ensures that they will be played next.  And then 
clear out of the album filter so that all songs are visible again.  Hope 
that makes sense.
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Marcin Kasperski wrote:
> I recently jumped from KDE to Gnome (KDE4 is not to my liking), so I
> try using rhythmbox instead of amarok. I mostly miss two functions of
> amarok, so I'd like to ask whether they are available somehow (maybe
> by some plugins?):
>
> - automatical scoring (songs are automatically scored according to my
>   listening habits, if I listen the song to the end, its score
>   increases, if I jump to the next song or stop after few seconds its
>   score lowers, ratios are accumulated (multiplied?) when I get the
>   same song multiple times. That's fantastic feature, after some time
>   I have my songs nicely scored without any effort.  
>   Again: does anything similar exists for rhythmbox?
>
>   
That's actually a clever idea.  But then, what happens if you're away 
from your computer and it's left playing?  I'd think you'd end up 
skewing the results.  Oh well it's still interesting.  And I don't know 
of anything in rhythmbox that works that way.  You can use a gnome 
applet however so you easily rate stuff while keeping your player in the 
background.  I think it's just called "Music Applet" or something.
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Hi,

I'm happy to announce the release of Rhythmbox 0.11.6. This release includes
much improved last.fm streaming, amazon cover art search that actually works,
and a variety of minor features, improvements, and bug fixes.

What is Rhythmbox?
------------------

Rhythmbox is an integrated music management application, originally
inspired by Apple's iTunes. It is free software, designed to work well
under the GNOME Desktop, and based on the powerful GStreamer media
framework.


Summary of changes
==================

* Relicensed with GPL exception for GStreamer plugins
* Improvements to the cross-fading playback backend
* Use Amazon ECS 4.0 web service for cover art searches
* Remember browser state for (some) removable devices
* Automatically remove podcast episodes that are no longer available
* Only display error dialogs for manually triggered podcast updates
* Allow playlists from DAAP shares to be sorted
* Fix transcoding when transferring to MTP devices
* Start moving cached data to XDG_CACHE_HOME
* More inclusive local cover art search
* Lots of improvements to the iPod plugin
* Switch to the new last.fm streaming system
* Much improved API documentation coverage


Contributors to the release:
----------------------------
- Thomas Andersen
- Sebastien Bacher
- Niels Vorgaard Christensen
- Jay Cornwall
- Paul Drain
- Christophe Fergeau
- Luca Ferretti
- Marcin Galazka
- Alexander Gitter
- Maximilian Grothusmann
- Andreas Henriksson
- Jeremy Katz
- Colin Leroy
- James Livingston
- Edgar Luna
- Nikolai Luthman
- Jonathan Matthew
- John Millikin
- Mirco Müller
- Bastien Nocera
- Alfredo Pironti
- Frank Scholz
- Shogun
- Sjoerd Simons
- F. Steinel
- Mats Taraldsvik
- Philippe Troin
- David Turner
- Mika Wahlroos
- Colin Walters
- Thomas Zander
- Adam Zimmerman


Updated translations
--------------------

Petr Kovar, Kamil Páral (cs)
Jochen Skulj (de)
Simos Xenitellis (el)
Jorge Gonzalez (es)
Claude Paroz (fr)
Ignacio Casal Quinteiro (gl)
Mark Krapivner (he)
Luca Ferretti (it)
Žygimantas Beručka (lt)
Arangel Angov (mk)
Kjartan Maraas (nb)
Tino Meinen (nl)
Yannig Marchegay (Kokoyaya) (oc)
Tomasz Dominikowski (pl)
Vladimir Melo, Fábio Nogueira (pt_BR)
Peter Tuhársky (sk)
Daniel Nylander (sv)
甘露(Lu Gan) (zh_CN)


Where can I get it?
-------------------

Source code:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/0.11/rhythmbox-0.11.6.tar.bz2
[MD5 sum: b827e047d13954ba956c3c4ea940935e]
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/0.11/rhythmbox-0.11.6.tar.gz
[MD5 sum: a51ca597f248af1243c6cceb8ee068e7]


Home Page:
http://www.rhythmbox.org/



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>> - automatical scoring (songs are automatically scored according to my
>>   listening habits, if I listen the song to the end, its score
>>   increases, if I jump to the next song or stop after few seconds its
>>   score lowers, ratios are accumulated (multiplied?) when I get the
>>   same song multiple times. That's fantastic feature, after some time
>>   I have my songs nicely scored without any effort.    Again: does
>> anything similar exists for rhythmbox?
>>
> That's actually a clever idea.  But then, what happens if you're away
> from your computer and it's left playing?  

Some songs will get high score from this run. If they are poor, I will
skip them on other runs.

> I'd think you'd end up skewing the results.

Nobody claims those results are to be perfect. But having used amarok
for quite a long time, I can say that ratings which resulted are
fairly reasonable.

BTW, the default algorithm seems to be an easy one:
http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/FAQ#How_are_track_scores_determined.3F

> And I don't know of anything in rhythmbox that works that way.

:-(

Is such a thing implementable as plugin?

> You can use a gnome applet however so you easily rate stuff while
> keeping your player in the background.

Tried a few times. No, I won't work on rating my songs, if I do not
like one, pressing (>>|) multimedia key is just enough work, and if I
like one, I won't bother locating something to click ;-)

-- 
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| Marcin Kasperski   | A process that is too complex will fail.
| http://mekk.waw.pl |                  (Booch)
|                    |
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> BTW, the default algorithm seems to be an easy one:
> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/FAQ#How_are_track_scores_determined.3F

I double checked, and my amarok has something different installed.
Here it is (one can easily see that the score is just average
of percentages):


#!/usr/bin/env ruby
#
# Amarok Script for custom scoring
#
# (c) 2006 Gábor Lehel <illissius@gmail.com>
#
# License: GNU General Public License V2

require 'uri'

loop do
    args = gets.chomp.split(" ")

    case args[0]
        when "configure"
            msg  = 'This script does not require any configuration.'
            `dcop amarok playlist popupMessage "#{msg}"`

        when "requestNewScore"
            url = args[1]
            prevscore = args[2].to_f
            playcount = args[3].to_i
            length = args[4].to_i
            percentage = args[5].to_i
            reason = args[6]

            if( playcount <= 0 ) # not supposed to be less, but what the hell.
                newscore = ( prevscore + percentage ) / 2
            else
                newscore = ( ( prevscore * playcount ) + percentage ) / ( playcount + 1 )
            end

            system( "dcop", "amarok", "player", "setScoreByPath", URI::decode( url ), newscore.to_s )
    end
end



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| http://mekk.waw.pl |    the courage to put our faith in people as
|                    |  opposed to a process. (Booch,Martin,Newkirk)
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> Yes, that's true, but it then it will only play from that album until you
> browse the whole collection once more. You'll find that there is no
> equivalent in Rhythmbox to a "Now Playing" playlist.

What about the Play queue special playlist ? I think when it's empty,
it resumes playing back whatever it was playing before.

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2008/7/8 Marcin Kasperski <Marcin.Kasperski@softax.com.pl>:

>
>
> - automatical scoring (songs are automatically scored according to my
>  listening habits, if I listen the song to the end, its score
>  increases, if I jump to the next song or stop after few seconds its
>  score lowers, ratios are accumulated (multiplied?) when I get the
>  same song multiple times. That's fantastic feature, after some time
>  I have my songs nicely scored without any effort.
>  Again: does anything similar exists for rhythmbox?
>


This looks like what IMMS does. I think this is a brilliant idea and I've
been wanting this functionality since I switched from xmms to Rhythmbox
(back in 2004 I think). I'm sure it could be implemented as a plugin, either
independently of, or as part of the IMMS backend. Unfortunately I don't have
the programming skills to attempt this myself :(

For reference: http://www.luminal.org/wiki/index.php/IMMS/IMMS

-- 
Regards,
Derek

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/7/8 Marcin Kasperski &lt;<a href="mailto:Marcin.Kasperski@softax.com.pl">Marcin.Kasperski@softax.com.pl</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
- automatical scoring (songs are automatically scored according to my<br>
 &nbsp;listening habits, if I listen the song to the end, its score<br>
 &nbsp;increases, if I jump to the next song or stop after few seconds its<br>
 &nbsp;score lowers, ratios are accumulated (multiplied?) when I get the<br>
 &nbsp;same song multiple times. That&#39;s fantastic feature, after some time<br>
 &nbsp;I have my songs nicely scored without any effort.<br>
 &nbsp;Again: does anything similar exists for rhythmbox?<br></blockquote></div><br><br>This looks like what IMMS does. I think this is a brilliant idea and I&#39;ve been wanting this functionality since I switched from xmms to Rhythmbox (back in 2004 I think). I&#39;m sure it could be implemented as a plugin, either independently of, or as part of the IMMS backend. Unfortunately I don&#39;t have the programming skills to attempt this myself :(<br>
<br>For reference: <a href="http://www.luminal.org/wiki/index.php/IMMS/IMMS">http://www.luminal.org/wiki/index.php/IMMS/IMMS</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Regards,<br>Derek

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Hello

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 12:07 +0400, Ivan Plotnikov wrote:
> Hello! =)
> 
> Thank you for Rtmbx player =) Gooood player =) Tak derzhat'! =)
This might be a theme related issue. Is this reproducible when using a
different theme ?

> 
> RU > Привет всем россиянам и русскоговорящим в вашей команде! =) 
> Отличный плеер! Намного лучше всемивоспетого Амарока. Во вложении - 
> картинка с описанием небольшой доработки дизайна. Ещё было бы очень 
> здорово, если бы вы настроили плеер чтобы по клику на кнопке закрыть он 
> бы не закрывался, а сворачивался в трей. Или добавили настройку чтобы 
> можно было указать куда ему сворачиваться - в трей или в таскбар. 
> Спасибо =)
> 
> Успехов!
> Bye!
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* ritz <khadgaray@gmail.com> [Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:38:32 +0530]:
> Hello
>
> On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 12:07 +0400, Ivan Plotnikov wrote:
> > Hello! =)
> >
> > Thank you for Rtmbx player =) Gooood player =) Tak derzhat'! =)
> This might be a theme related issue. Is this reproducible when using a
> different theme ?
>
> >
> > RU > ������ ���� ��������� � ��������������� � ����� �������! =)
> > �������� �����! ������� ����� �������������� �������. �� �������� -
> > �������� � ��������� ��������� ��������� �������. ��� ���� �� �����
> > �������, ���� �� �� ��������� ����� ����� �� ����� �� ������ �������
> ��
> > �� �� ����������, � ������������ � ����. ��� �������� ��������� 
�����
> > ����� ���� ������� ���� ��� ������������� - � ���� ��� � �������.
> > ������� =)
> >
> > �������!
> > Bye!
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Hello again!

You were right. Bug in timeline is a theme (Human) problem. Thanks for 
advice! =)

Whatever... Can I hope, that i see small grey dots (in active row only), 
not small black stars in some next build? =)

And one alse. If you cant reed russian text in my first letter... There 
i wright one small request(please) - can you add one config, choice to 
collapse player to tray or to taskbar.

Thanks! I wish you successes!

And sorry for my bad english =)

Bye!
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2008/7/9 Ivan Plotnikov <mechmaniak@rambler.ru>:

> And one alse. If you cant reed russian text in my first letter... There i
> wright one small request(please) - can you add one config, choice to
> collapse player to tray or to taskbar.


You can minimize the player to the taskbar or click the tray icon to
collapse it to the tray. Does that do what you want, or are you looking for
different behavior?


> And sorry for my bad english =)


It's better than my Russian. ;)

Cheers,
Andrew

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2008/7/9 Ivan Plotnikov &lt;<a href="mailto:mechmaniak@rambler.ru">mechmaniak@rambler.ru</a>&gt;:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
And one alse. If you cant reed russian text in my first letter... There i wright one small request(please) - can you add one config, choice to collapse player to tray or to taskbar.</blockquote><div><br>You can minimize the player to the taskbar or click the tray icon to collapse it to the tray. Does that do what you want, or are you looking for different behavior?<br>
&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">And sorry for my bad english =)</blockquote><div><br>It&#39;s better than my Russian. ;)<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Andrew <br></div></div>

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Christophe Fergeau wrote:
>> Yes, that's true, but it then it will only play from that album until you
>> browse the whole collection once more. You'll find that there is no
>> equivalent in Rhythmbox to a "Now Playing" playlist.
>>     
>
> What about the Play queue special playlist ? I think when it's empty,
> it resumes playing back whatever it was playing before.
>
> Christophe
>   

That's how it works alright.  But the Play Queue is not equivalent to a 
"Now Playing" playlist, which was what I trying to say.  The play queue 
is more a like a "play this next but then forget you played it" queue.

This is very different from Amarok where you have basically a playlist 
which Amarok will always play from.  You can search music all day and it 
won't affect what is played next until you tell it to play it.  
Rhythmbox on the other hand will play from a playlist, or from the music 
browser or from the play queue.
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Hi all!

I'm glad to see a new rhythmbox release, let's see if those cover
finally work! Great work people!

Nevertheless I have a problem. When I try to configure my source tree
enabling the browser plugin I get an error of "No Gecko found". I have
firefox 3 there with the development package and all. I sniffed into de
script and it appears like it's looking for some "firefox-plugin"
package in pkg-config, but no such package exists (here on Ubuntu Hardy
8.04.1). I have even tried to put the path to firefox libs or even
xulrunner's ones, but it complains with "Gecko "firefox" not found" or
"Gecko "/usr/lib/firefox-3.0" not found".

What should I do?


Thanks in advance!

Sirio.

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SBP wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> I'm glad to see a new rhythmbox release, let's see if those cover
> finally work! Great work people!
>
> Nevertheless I have a problem. When I try to configure my source tree
> enabling the browser plugin I get an error of "No Gecko found". I have
> firefox 3 there with the development package and all. I sniffed into de
> script and it appears like it's looking for some "firefox-plugin"
> package in pkg-config, but no such package exists (here on Ubuntu Hardy
> 8.04.1). I have even tried to put the path to firefox libs or even
> xulrunner's ones, but it complains with "Gecko "firefox" not found" or
> "Gecko "/usr/lib/firefox-3.0" not found".
>
> What should I do?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Sirio.
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhythmbox-devel mailing list
> rhythmbox-devel@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/rhythmbox-devel
>
>   
Looks like RB is not setup for Firefox 3 or Hardy's Firefox 3 packages 
are incomplete). xulrunner-1.9-dev includes mozilla-plugin.pc but no 
firefox-plugin.pc which is only included in firefox-2-dev.

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Hello

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 21:20 +0400, Ivan Plotnikov wrote:
> * ritz <khadgaray@gmail.com> [Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:38:32 +0530]:
> > Hello
> >
> > On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 12:07 +0400, Ivan Plotnikov wrote:
> > > Hello! =)
> > >
> > > Thank you for Rtmbx player =) Gooood player =) Tak derzhat'! =)
> > This might be a theme related issue. Is this reproducible when using a
> > different theme ?
> >
> > >
> > > RU > Привет всем россиянам и русскоговорящим в вашей команде! =)
> > > Отличный плеер! Намного лучше всемивоспетого Амарока. Во вложении -
> > > картинка с описанием небольшой доработки дизайна. Ещё было бы очень
> > > здорово, если бы вы настроили плеер чтобы по клику на кнопке закрыть
> > он
> > > бы не закрывался, а сворачивался в трей. Или добавили настройку 
> чтобы
> > > можно было указать куда ему сворачиваться - в трей или в таскбар.
> > > Спасибо =)
> > >
> > > Успехов!
> > > Bye!
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > rhythmbox-devel mailing list
> > > rhythmbox-devel@gnome.org
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/rhythmbox-devel
> > --
> > Ritesh Khadgaray
> > &#65279;Ph: +919970164885
> > &#65279;Desktop LinuX N Stuff, RHCE
> > Software Maintenance Engineer, Pune, Red Hat
> > ?? ?????? ?????????? ??????
> > Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway.
> 
> ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
> 
> Hello again!
> 
> You were right. Bug in timeline is a theme (Human) problem. Thanks for 
> advice! =)
> 
> Whatever... Can I hope, that i see small grey dots (in active row only), 
> not small black stars in some next build? =)
Try filling a bug report against ubuntu launchpad for theme ?

> 
> And one alse. If you cant reed russian text in my first letter... There 
> i wright one small request(please) - can you add one config, choice to 
> collapse player to tray or to taskbar.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318629


> 
> Thanks! I wish you successes!
> 
> And sorry for my bad english =)
> 
> Bye!
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ॐ मणि पद्मे हूँ
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Hello,

> What should I do?

sudo apt-get build-dep rhythmbox should get all that is needed to
build rhythmbox. It seems that includes the dependencies for the
browser plugin.

Christophe
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Hi again!

Thank you very much for your answers. I installed xulrunner-1.9-dev and
now it indeed detects the "mozilla" Gecko and compiles without hassle
(as always!). 

See ya!

Sirio

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Hello List,
the FAQ says that ID3 tag editing support is experimental. Is this still true?

I realized that:

1. Ubuntu delivers Rhythmbox with metadate editing support
2. Meta data editing with Rhythmbox corrupts your ID3v2 tags (e. g. wipes 
out album art and other tags, produces tags that are not readable with eyeD3**)

Should fill a Bug against Rhythmbox or Ubuntus Rhythmbox package?

With best regards,

Simon Hengel.


** This second problem may be a bug in eyeD3, not sure yet. I have tracked 
it down to some degree. As far as I understand it eyeD3 assumes that each 
tag has a value assigned, which is supposedly not true for some tags 
(musicbrainz*) that are produced by Rhythmbox. Further more eyeD3 fails on 
some duplicated entries (that supposedly are not allowed to appear twice). 
Not sure what the specification says.
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The sorting possibilities of Rhythmbox are not very much apt for 
classical music or audiobooks. Usually both come in multi CD-Volumes
and should be played just in the order as stored. None of the sorting 
possibilities of Rhythmbox gives any satisfactory results unless one 
renames the title redundantly with something like 
Bookname-CD01-01-Chaptername.mpg. This is ugly and on top of that 
renders unreadable results on the mp3-player afterwards.

It would be very good if Rhythmbox would allow for a "natural" display 
in a Author-Album-CD-track fashion.

Thanks very much!
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> The sorting possibilities of Rhythmbox are not very much apt for 
> classical music or audiobooks. Usually both come in multi CD-Volumes
> and should be played just in the order as stored. None of the sorting 
> possibilities of Rhythmbox gives any satisfactory results unless one 
> renames the title redundantly with something like 
> Bookname-CD01-01-Chaptername.mpg. This is ugly and on top of that 
> renders unreadable results on the mp3-player afterwards.

As far as I can tell the implicit order of tracks depends on "track number" 
and "disc number". Are you aware of the "disc number" meta data field? A 
prerequisite is that all Discs of your multi-cd-box share the same "album" 
name. This should give you exactly what you asked for (at least it works for 
me;).

Cheers.

P.S.: Please think twice before editing meta data with Rhythmbox, your ID3v2 
tags will get updated to rev. 4 (which are not readable by most hardware 
players), ID3v1 tags will get striped away, and some other unrequested 
things may happen to the meta data of your collection (see my previous post).
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At 2:33p -0400 on Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Sol wrote:
> As far as I can tell the implicit order of tracks depends on "track
> number" and "disc number". Are you aware of the "disc number" meta data
> field? A prerequisite is that all Discs of your multi-cd-box share the
> same "album" name. This should give you exactly what you asked for (at
> least it works for me;).

On this note, something that has bugged me (but not enough to file a
feature request) is that I can only order by one explicit attribute at a
time.  That is, if I click on Artist, Rhythmbox orders the entire
viewable collection by the artists' names.

If I then click on Genre, it orders the entire viewable collection by
genre.  This is *sometimes* what I want, but other times I want to order
by the Artist, and then within each artist, order by the genre.

Since I note there is development talk about perhaps using SQLite
(rhythmdb/DESIGN), I'll point out that this is very easy to do in SQL:

SELECT title, artist, genre FROM songs ORDER BY artist, genre;

As far as user interface, I think a single click would update the
current result set (i.e. Click on Artist to order by artist, then click
on Genre to sub-order by <Artist, Genre>)

Kevin
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On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 16:04 -0400, Kevin Hunter wrote:
> At 2:33p -0400 on Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Sol wrote:
> > As far as I can tell the implicit order of tracks depends on "track
> > number" and "disc number". Are you aware of the "disc number" meta data
> > field? A prerequisite is that all Discs of your multi-cd-box share the
> > same "album" name. This should give you exactly what you asked for (at
> > least it works for me;).
> 
> On this note, something that has bugged me (but not enough to file a
> feature request) is that I can only order by one explicit attribute at a
> time.  That is, if I click on Artist, Rhythmbox orders the entire
> viewable collection by the artists' names.
> 
> If I then click on Genre, it orders the entire viewable collection by
> genre.  This is *sometimes* what I want, but other times I want to order
> by the Artist, and then within each artist, order by the genre.
> 
> Since I note there is development talk about perhaps using SQLite
> (rhythmdb/DESIGN), I'll point out that this is very easy to do in SQL:
> 
> SELECT title, artist, genre FROM songs ORDER BY artist, genre;
> 
> As far as user interface, I think a single click would update the
> current result set (i.e. Click on Artist to order by artist, then click
> on Genre to sub-order by <Artist, Genre>)
> 
> Kevin

Shouldn't a good 'ol playlist cover everything that is not already
covered by the browser view? I mean, there will always be some type of
view that cannot be displayed by the browser, but you can lay out your
songs anyway you want with a playlist
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> As far as user interface, I think a single click would update the
> current result set (i.e. Click on Artist to order by artist, then click
> on Genre to sub-order by <Artist, Genre>)

So when I first decide to order by Artist and then change my mind and want 
to order (not sub-order) by Genre, how would that still work?

S.
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At 4:22p -0400 on Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Sol wrote:
>> As far as user interface, I think a single click would update the
>> current result set (i.e. Click on Artist to order by artist, then click
>> on Genre to sub-order by <Artist, Genre>)
> 
> So when I first decide to order by Artist and then change my mind and
> want to order (not sub-order) by Genre, how would that still work?

Sorry, I didn't finish that thought, did I?  (distracting neighbor!)

Single-click -> If already sorted by some criteria, suborder results.
click-twice -> reverse suborder the results

click-thrice -> Column becomes new total-viewable-list ordering

Kevin
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At 4:12p -0400 on Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Viktor Kojouharov wrote:
> Shouldn't a good 'ol playlist cover everything that is not already 
> covered by the browser view?

Eh, perhaps.  But this particular behavior is something I pretty much
expect from a spreadsheet format of data.  Call me crazy, but I'm used
to the Excel/Calc feature that lets me order and sub-order result sets.
 I'm also in the DB field, and this style of organization (and many
others) is a "freebie" with SQL.

> I mean, there will always be some type of view that cannot be 
> displayed by the browser, but you can lay out your songs anyway 
> you want with a playlist

At some point, you are of course correct; there will always be something
that can't be displayed, but I do not think this is it.  I usually want
this feature when the song is not in my instant recall, when I can't
think of the title or artist.  I do know that I can narrow it down via
the genre (or something), but that's all I've got.

Currently, I either end up remembering the song title, or am able to
narrow it down via a combination of the Search: and some other criteria.

Kevin
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Kevin Hunter wrote:
> At 4:22p -0400 on Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Sol wrote:
>>> As far as user interface, I think a single click would update the
>>> current result set (i.e. Click on Artist to order by artist, then click
>>> on Genre to sub-order by <Artist, Genre>)
>> So when I first decide to order by Artist and then change my mind and
>> want to order (not sub-order) by Genre, how would that still work?
> 
> Sorry, I didn't finish that thought, did I?  (distracting neighbor!)
> 
> Single-click -> If already sorted by some criteria, suborder results.
> click-twice -> reverse suborder the results
> 
> click-thrice -> Column becomes new total-viewable-list ordering

So sometimes (depending on the state of a big state machine) I need up to 3 
clicks to order by a particular criteria, right? Is there a concise way of 
communicate that state back to the user?

One more point. What exactly would be the result of clicking, in this 
particular order, one after another, <Genre>, <Artist>, <Album>, <Artist>?
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> Eh, perhaps.  But this particular behavior is something I pretty much
> expect from a spreadsheet format of data.  Call me crazy, but I'm used
> to the Excel/Calc feature that lets me order and sub-order result sets.
>  I'm also in the DB field, and this style of organization (and many
> others) is a "freebie" with SQL.
I'd opt for making the search field more powerful, giving it, in one way or 
another, the full power off SQL-queries. This would not clutter the user 
interface (indeed i doubt there is a sensible way to map this to a WIMP 
interface, see my previous post). More over it covers all use cases and is 
more accessible.

Just my two cents.
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At 4:49p -0400 on Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Sol wrote:
> So sometimes (depending on the state of a big state machine) I need up
> to 3 clicks to order by a particular criteria, right?

Yeah, that sounds right.

But now that you've "voiced" it, I can see that being a concern.  Heh,
an option would be needed for "Multi-column sorting" in the preferences,
or something.

> Is there a concise way of communicate that state back to the user?

Honestly, I hadn't thought that far.  Maybe a slight shading of the
column header?  After a couple of clicks, the first-order column would
be the darkest?  Or perhaps a number gets added to the column headers
(Title - 1, Artist - 2).

> One more point. What exactly would be the result of clicking, in this
> particular order, one after another, <Genre>, <Artist>, <Album>, <Artist>?

In SQL think, nothing.  The final <Artist> is superfluous since you've
already sorted by <Artist>.

The question is what would happen from a user interface perspective.  I
don't know?  Nothing?  Or perhaps that resets <Artist> to the
first-ordering column?  Both could make sense to me, especially if the
state is communicated to the user somehow.

What do you think?

Kevin
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>> One more point. What exactly would be the result of clicking, in this
>> particular order, one after another, <Genre>, <Artist>, <Album>, <Artist>?
> 
> In SQL think, nothing.  The final <Artist> is superfluous since you've
> already sorted by <Artist>.
> 
> The question is what would happen from a user interface perspective.  I
> don't know?  Nothing?  Or perhaps that resets <Artist> to the
> first-ordering column?  Both could make sense to me, especially if the
> state is communicated to the user somehow.
> 
> What do you think?

I do not see any consistent behavior. It could mean one of the following:

order by:

<Genre> than <Artist> (in reverse order) than <Album>
<Genre> than <Album> than <Artist>
<Genre> than <Album> than <Artist> (in reverse order)

or as you suggested:

<Genre> than <Artist> than <Album>
<Artist> than <Genre> than <Album>

Any more ideas?
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 16:59, Sol <solistic@gmx.net> wrote:

> Eh, perhaps.  But this particular behavior is something I pretty much
>> expect from a spreadsheet format of data.  Call me crazy, but I'm used
>> to the Excel/Calc feature that lets me order and sub-order result sets.
>>  I'm also in the DB field, and this style of organization (and many
>> others) is a "freebie" with SQL.
>>
> I'd opt for making the search field more powerful, giving it, in one way or
> another, the full power off SQL-queries. This would not clutter the user
> interface (indeed i doubt there is a sensible way to map this to a WIMP
> interface, see my previous post). More over it covers all use cases and is
> more accessible.


Banshee recently implemented search exactly like that. More details here:
http://gburt.blogspot.com/2008/01/howling-queries.html (and there are
further links at the bottom).

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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 16:59, Sol &lt;<a href="mailto:solistic@gmx.net">solistic@gmx.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Eh, perhaps. &nbsp;But this particular behavior is something I pretty much<br>
expect from a spreadsheet format of data. &nbsp;Call me crazy, but I&#39;m used<br>
to the Excel/Calc feature that lets me order and sub-order result sets.<br>
&nbsp;I&#39;m also in the DB field, and this style of organization (and many<br>
others) is a &quot;freebie&quot; with SQL.<br>
</blockquote></div>
I&#39;d opt for making the search field more powerful, giving it, in one way or another, the full power off SQL-queries. This would not clutter the user interface (indeed i doubt there is a sensible way to map this to a WIMP interface, see my previous post). More over it covers all use cases and is more accessible.</blockquote>
<div><br>Banshee recently implemented search exactly like that. More details here: <a href="http://gburt.blogspot.com/2008/01/howling-queries.html">http://gburt.blogspot.com/2008/01/howling-queries.html</a> (and there are further links at the bottom).<br>
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Kevin Hunter wrote:
> At 4:49p -0400 on Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Sol wrote:
>> So sometimes (depending on the state of a big state machine) I need up
>> to 3 clicks to order by a particular criteria, right?
> 
> Yeah, that sounds right.
> 
> But now that you've "voiced" it, I can see that being a concern.  Heh,
> an option would be needed for "Multi-column sorting" in the preferences,
> or something.

I'd consider it unintuitive to have each new click produce a new
sub-ordering. I'd probably go with an alternative click for
sub-ordering, i.e. right-clicking or modifier key (ctrl, alt, shift,
younameit) + click for sub-order. My idea is that if I want to
sub-order, I *know* I want to sub-order, but if I want to order
(first-level) I don't want to think about it...

my 2c,
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At 5:56p -0400 on Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Sol wrote:
> I do not see any consistent behavior. It could mean one of the following:
> 
> order by:
> 
> <Genre> than <Artist> (in reverse order) than <Album>
> <Genre> than <Album> than <Artist>
> <Genre> than <Album> than <Artist> (in reverse order)

I think *something* should happen for the user if the user clicks.  I
just don't know what ...

[... head scratching ...]

Let me return to CS1: the behavior for which I'm hankering is basically
a stable sort.  That is, if, on any given key there is a duplicate
entry, then, when sorting them, preserve the original order in which
they were found.

For our example, this then means that when the user clicks

<Genre>, <Artist>, <Album>

<Album> is the final click, so the entire viewable set is organized by
<Album>, <Artist>, <Genre>.

Going from this, what would happen in the 4-click example you suggested:

<Genre>, <Artist>, <Album>, <Artist>

Now, the *first* <Artist> is effectively superfluous, but since the
result of a click is a sort, the user interface is the same: click once
on a column, sort it ascending.  Click twice in a row and sort it
descending.  Clicking three times is the same as sorting once.  When I
sort by the next column, I don't sort with the previous column
specifically in mind.  However, the sort is stable so the sub-ordering
behavior that I initially suggested is there.

I believe this would effectively side-step the user-communication issue
that you rightly brought-up since the list organization happens
per-click, and you're only showing the most significant ordering.

I still suggest that Rhythmbox use SQLite, though, so how to reconcile
this with SQL?  I don't know yet.

Kevin
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On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 18:48 -0700, LONNIE TOOT wrote:
> will there be a way to import a OPML file into the podcasts part of
> rythmbox? I'm trying to quit using windows and would like to use the
> export portion of windows for all of my podcasts then import them into
> rythmbox.

Import already works since we switched the Podcast parsing to Totem (eg.
0.11.4). Export doesn't work yet though.

File a bug if it can't actually parse your OPML file.

Cheers

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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 04:04:42PM -0400, Kevin Hunter wrote:
> At 2:33p -0400 on Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Sol wrote:
> > As far as I can tell the implicit order of tracks depends on "track
> > number" and "disc number". Are you aware of the "disc number" meta data
> > field? A prerequisite is that all Discs of your multi-cd-box share the
> > same "album" name. This should give you exactly what you asked for (at
> > least it works for me;).
> 
> On this note, something that has bugged me (but not enough to file a
> feature request) is that I can only order by one explicit attribute at a
> time.  That is, if I click on Artist, Rhythmbox orders the entire
> viewable collection by the artists' names.
> 
> If I then click on Genre, it orders the entire viewable collection by
> genre.  This is *sometimes* what I want, but other times I want to order
> by the Artist, and then within each artist, order by the genre.

On what basis do you make this determination?  Is there some information
you get out of the artist->genre sort ordering that isn't available
otherwise?  It seems like the real problem here isn't "I need to be able to
produce every possible sort order", but that's what you're trying to
solve.

> Since I note there is development talk about perhaps using SQLite
> (rhythmdb/DESIGN), I'll point out that this is very easy to do in SQL:

Those vague mentions of SQLite are over 4 years old, and like much else
in that file, irrelevant now.

Rhythmbox will not be SQL-based any time soon.  It'll take a hell of a
lot of work, and a tiny bit more justification than apparent ease of
sorting query results.

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At 8:19a -0400 on Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Jonathan Matthew wrote:
>> If I then click on Genre, it orders the entire viewable collection by
>> genre.  This is *sometimes* what I want, but other times I want to order
>> by the Artist, and then within each artist, order by the genre.
> 
> On what basis do you make this determination?  Is there some information
> you get out of the artist->genre sort ordering that isn't available
> otherwise?

Thought the example is slightly contrived, the problem that the feature
would solve for me is one of "too much data".  I have lotsa music.  When
I have a tune in mind and can only think of the genre, and the rough
place in the alphabet, I'm currently screwed with Rhythmbox.  All that
sub-ordering does for me is allow me to put both of those pieces of
information together.

[Reorder for discussion sake]
> Rhythmbox will not be SQL-based any time soon.  It'll take a hell of a
> lot of work, and a tiny bit more justification than apparent ease of
> sorting query results.

Heh, I can't give you that justification either, but since I'm a big fan
of SQL in general, I'll try!  ;-)

I remember reading somewhere (on Rhythmbox FAQ, maybe?) an argument that
a list of songs is not relational, so it's silly to outsource to a
database.  I can argue that a couple of ways:

1. Each song maintains it's own data (id3/ogg tags), and exists
independent of a collection.  Therefore, it's best to load each song's
data fresh from the disk and create a collection in memory.

2. On the other hand, once you're already saving Rhythmbox-specific
information across sessions and about an entire collection for quick
loading and other collection-specific tasks (rhythmdb.xml), the question
is who should do the work?  Should Rhythmbox devs maintain code that to
a large extent is just string and record manipulation?  I would argue not.

From a data modeling perspective, I would argue that the media-file data
that Rhythmbox stores could be normalized, and could take advantage of
SQL-isms.  What is the genre of a song, or other media file, than a
number lookup in another single-point-of-authority table?  What is an
artist to a song but a number lookup in another,
single-point-of-authority, table?  Attributes, almost by definition, are
relational.  If the current behaviors can be easily implemented via SQL,
take advantage of the simplicity, and the fact that that is a large body
of code that no longer needs to be maintained by Rhythmbox devs.

I would argue that Rhythmbox is about user-interaction and playing sound
from sound files (on-disk files, streaming, etc.).  It is not about text
manipulation or other low-level stuffs.

In doing something like this as well, you further API-ify Rhythmbox.
This *could* lead to other programs being able to update, query, or
step-in for a datastore for Rhythmbox.  (But that's a big *could*.)

That all said, I'll not argue with devs about a minor detail for a
project to which I do not contribute.  I very much appreciate the work
you all do.  'Nuff said.

> Those vague mentions of SQLite are over 4 years old, and like much else
> in that file, irrelevant now.

That's fair.  As I'm not a developer of the project, I did not know that
it was so old or out-of-date.  If that's the case, then that's the case,
and if the dev team is against it, I'm not about to swim upstream.

Kevin
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On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 14:33 +0200, J=C3=B6rn Sesterhenn wrote:
> The sorting possibilities of Rhythmbox are not very much apt for=20
> classical music or audiobooks.


There's at least two relevant bugs on this in bugzilla:
318579 =E2=80=93 Intelligent handling of Compilations/Various Artists/Mix-a=
lbums.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D318579

412842 =E2=80=93 Audiobook support
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D412842

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Hi,

The current default selection is quite poor.

I made a nice diverse list of stations that stream in Ogg Vorbis, and
even provided a rhythmdb.xml file.

Heres the link to the thread:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=850290

/Patrick







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Hi!
I was just wondering when you were planning to change the look of the
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 16:21, Patrick <citizen024@gmail.com> wrote:

> I made a nice diverse list of stations that stream in Ogg Vorbis, and
> even provided a rhythmdb.xml file.
>
> Heres the link to the thread:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=850290


Cool. Can you post this to bugzilla (and attach the rhythmdb.xml file) so
it's easier for the developers to track?

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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 16:21, Patrick &lt;<a href="mailto:citizen024@gmail.com">citizen024@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I made a nice diverse list of stations that stream in Ogg Vorbis, and<br>
even provided a rhythmdb.xml file.<br>
<br>
Heres the link to the thread:<br>
<a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=850290" target="_blank">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=850290</a></blockquote><div><br>Cool. Can you post this to bugzilla (and attach the rhythmdb.xml file) so it&#39;s easier for the developers to track?</div>
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I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add. 
I was unsure what the best way to do that is.

1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
2. Equalizer - I like increasing the bass
3. Multiple Libraries - I do a good job organizing my music but think 
having another library might help out.
4. Sync - Automatically sync with mp3 players, and ipods.
5. reorganize playlists - clicking the artist or rating header at the 
top reorganizes the playlist in that order.

If I knew how to program I would contribute by trying to program those 
features.

Thank you,
Tom

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On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
> I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add. 
> I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
> 
> 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this

Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.

> 2. Equalizer - I like increasing the bass
> 3. Multiple Libraries - I do a good job organizing my music but think 
> having another library might help out.

I think there is some sort of partial support for it, cause you can add
more paths in gconf.

> 4. Sync - Automatically sync with mp3 players, and ipods.

Syncing playlists, then? What about podcasts?

> 5. reorganize playlists - clicking the artist or rating header at the 
> top reorganizes the playlist in that order.
> 
> If I knew how to program I would contribute by trying to program those 
> features.

You don't need to be a programmer to contribute.

> 
> Thank you,
> Tom
> 
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> On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
>> I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add.
>> I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
>>
>> 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
>
> Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.
>
Totem, VLC, and Mplayer don't have the awesome organization that
Rhythmbox has. For someone with alot of videos he helps to be able to
see all the videos lined up in that window.

>> 2. Equalizer - I like increasing the bass
>> 3. Multiple Libraries - I do a good job organizing my music but think
>> having another library might help out.
>
> I think there is some sort of partial support for it, cause you can add
> more paths in gconf.
>
Yea, I did find that, I'll give that a try thanks for pointing it out.

>> 4. Sync - Automatically sync with mp3 players, and ipods.
>
> Syncing playlists, then? What about podcasts?
>
>> 5. reorganize playlists - clicking the artist or rating header at the
>> top reorganizes the playlist in that order.
>>
>> If I knew how to program I would contribute by trying to program those
>> features.
>
> You don't need to be a programmer to contribute.
>
Is what I just did by suggesting features considered contributing?


>>
>> Thank you,
>> Tom
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/rhythmbox-devel
>
>



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On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 13:11 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Mats Taraldsvik
> <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
> >> I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add.
> >> I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
> >>
> >> 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
> >
> > Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.
> >
> Totem, VLC, and Mplayer don't have the awesome organization that
> Rhythmbox has. For someone with alot of videos he helps to be able to
> see all the videos lined up in that window.

Then this should, in my opinion, be a feature request in one of those
video players (preferably Totem, as it would benefit Gnome). Rhythmbox
is a music player (not a media player).

You wouldn't want F-spot to have video support either, and it also has
organization capabilities. ( I know music and video files are more
closely related than images, but do you see my point? )

> >> 2. Equalizer - I like increasing the bass
> >> 3. Multiple Libraries - I do a good job organizing my music but think
> >> having another library might help out.
> >
> > I think there is some sort of partial support for it, cause you can add
> > more paths in gconf.
> >
> Yea, I did find that, I'll give that a try thanks for pointing it out.
> 
> >> 4. Sync - Automatically sync with mp3 players, and ipods.
> >
> > Syncing playlists, then? What about podcasts?
> >
> >> 5. reorganize playlists - clicking the artist or rating header at the
> >> top reorganizes the playlist in that order.
> >>
> >> If I knew how to program I would contribute by trying to program those
> >> features.
> >
> > You don't need to be a programmer to contribute.
> >
> Is what I just did by suggesting features considered contributing?

Yes, you did. I read you as "I can not program and therefore can not
contribute.", and that's not true at all. Documentation, translation
etc. is very much needed. Especially documentation.

> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Tom
> >>
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> >> rhythmbox-devel@gnome.org
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> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

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Hi Rhythmbox folks,

After spending half the summer working on a plugin for predictive
playback ("In the Mood"), I've finally got something that seems ready
for a preliminary release.  However, I'm not sure of the best way to
set up the installation configuration (especially since I'm just
learning how to use autotools etc).

My plugin is written in Python, but it uses a couple of C++
executables.  Should all of this be installed in
~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/plugins, or /usr/local/lib/rhythmbox/plugins, or
should the executables go into /usr/local/bin and the Python stuff
elsewhere?  I'm leaning towards option number one (defining
AC_PREFIX_DEFAULT as ${HOME}/.gnome2/rhythmbox/plugins/inthemood), but
I thought I'd see what you recommend.  Thanks,

Charlotte
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
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> On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
>> I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add.
>> I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
>>
>> 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
>
> Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.
>

Because of music video clips, video podcasts, etc. And Totem, VLC,
Mplayer already play music, so why do we need Rhythmbox?

>> 2. Equalizer - I like increasing the bass
>> 3. Multiple Libraries - I do a good job organizing my music but think
>> having another library might help out.
>
> I think there is some sort of partial support for it, cause you can add
> more paths in gconf.

I don't see the reason behind multiple libraries. A better solution
would be better filtering of [automatic] playlists.

>
>> 4. Sync - Automatically sync with mp3 players, and ipods.
>
> Syncing playlists, then? What about podcasts?
>

Adding to that, a generic vfs plugin for syncing would be a good idea.
Add a path to a directory you want to add songs (or sync). That
directory can be on a harddrive, mass storage, obex, etc ... Good
solution for all those phones out there, with massive storage
capacity.

>> 5. reorganize playlists - clicking the artist or rating header at the
>> top reorganizes the playlist in that order.
>>
>> If I knew how to program I would contribute by trying to program those
>> features.
>
> You don't need to be a programmer to contribute.
>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Tom
>>
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Hello

> After spending half the summer working on a plugin for predictive
> playback ("In the Mood"), I've finally got something that seems ready
> for a preliminary release.

Good, any blog/source repository where your progress can be followed ?

>  However, I'm not sure of the best way to
> set up the installation configuration (especially since I'm just
> learning how to use autotools etc).

Don't hesitate to ask on #rhythmbox if you need help with the
autotools, I should be online most of the (european) day.

>
> My plugin is written in Python, but it uses a couple of C++
> executables.  Should all of this be installed in
> ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/plugins, or /usr/local/lib/rhythmbox/plugins

I'd put everything in /usr/local/lib/rhythmbox/plugins by default. Are
you integrating this plugin as a patch to rhythmbox sources or are you
planning to ship it in a separate tarball ?

Great to see your project is progressing nicely :)

Christophe
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This is just an email to gather some input on whether people would
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If your against or for the idea here is the place to get your voice heard.
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I've hacked together a quick-and-dirty plugin for RB that outputs the
current song to the Logitech G15 LCD display. You can see what I'm
talking about at
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=us,en

Anyways, the plugin requires g15daemon and g15compose, which handle the
communication with the LCD. g15compose should be running and getting
input from a pipe at ~/.g15fifo-<username>. It then pipes out the song
info to that pipe, which g15compose then sends to the LCD. It's very
rough around the edges, but I thought I'd post something on it since I'm
sick of Amarok having a cool plugin when RB doesn't.

A tarball is attached with the current version. Installation is just
like any other plugin, put it in one of the RB plugin directories and it
should work just fine. No configuration options (yet). Any suggestions
would be welcome.

-Eli Ribble


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Hi guys,

I'm not sure this is the right place to post, but it's the only one I've
found so far.
I'm going to suggest a little (I think, I hope) change to the way rhythmbox
counts how many times you have listened a song.

At the moment (version 0.11.5 on Ubuntu 8.04) the counter is updated exactly
when the song ends.
IMHO this is really annoying... I just noticed that a lot of my favourites
songs have the counter at 0 or few more because often when the song it's
almost finished I switch to another one and the counter is not trigged.
Consider for example that a lot of songs have a long ending, like a speech
or several seconds of silence.

My suggest is to move the trigger from the end to about 3/4.
Someone could think this is a stupid think, but I'd really appreciate it
because I always keep my playlist ordered by counter (so I can always listen
my favourite songs just removing the shuffle function) and at the moment I'm
missing a lot of them due to the actual behaviour.


Thanks all, just also for the time you spent reading my bad english.
And keep working as you are doing, I love rhythmbox.

Bye, Giacomo

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<div dir="ltr">Hi guys,<br><br>I&#39;m not sure this is the right place to post, but it&#39;s the only one I&#39;ve found so far.<br>I&#39;m going to suggest a little (I think, I hope) change to the way rhythmbox counts how many times you have listened a song.<br>
<br>At the moment (version 0.11.5 on Ubuntu 8.04) the counter is updated exactly when the song ends.<br>IMHO this is really annoying... I just noticed that a lot of my favourites songs have the counter at 0 or few more because often when the song it&#39;s almost finished I switch to another one and the counter is not trigged. Consider for example that a lot of songs have a long ending, like a speech or several seconds of silence. <br>
<br>My suggest is to move the trigger from the end to about 3/4.<br>Someone could think this is a stupid think, but I&#39;d really appreciate it because I always keep my playlist ordered by counter (so I can always listen my favourite songs just removing the shuffle function) and at the moment I&#39;m missing a lot of them due to the actual behaviour.<br>
<br><br>Thanks all, just also for the time you spent reading my bad english.<br>And keep working as you are doing, I love rhythmbox.<br><br>Bye, Giacomo<br></div>

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2008/7/22 Ender <ender27182818@gmail.com>:
> I've hacked together a quick-and-dirty plugin for RB that outputs the
> current song to the Logitech G15 LCD display. You can see what I'm
> talking about at
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=us,en


Seems great! (even though I don't own such a keyboard ;)

> A tarball is attached with the current version. Installation is just
> like any other plugin, put it in one of the RB plugin directories and it
> should work just fine. No configuration options (yet). Any suggestions
> would be welcome.

Feel free to list your plugin on
http://live.gnome.org/RhythmboxPlugins/ThirdParty
Do you have some webspace where you can host your plugin or do you
need someone to host it for you ?

Cheers,

Christophe
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Arthens wrote:
> I'm going to suggest a little (I think, I hope) change to the way rhythmbox
> counts how many times you have listened a song.
>
> At the moment (version 0.11.5 on Ubuntu 8.04) the counter is updated exactly
> when the song ends.
> IMHO this is really annoying... I just noticed that a lot of my favourites
> songs have the counter at 0 or few more because often when the song it's
> almost finished I switch to another one and the counter is not trigged.
> Consider for example that a lot of songs have a long ending, like a speech
> or several seconds of silence.
>
> My suggest is to move the trigger from the end to about 3/4.

I like this idea, but I would suggest maybe at the 90% or 95% point
rather than at 75% through the song.

Peter
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Christophe Fergeau <teuf@gnome.org> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> > After spending half the summer working on a plugin for predictive
> > playback ("In the Mood"), I've finally got something that seems ready
> > for a preliminary release.
>
> Good, any blog/source repository where your progress can be followed ?

For sure - I've got some stuff blogged at
http://undamped.blogspot.com/search/label/gsoc, and my source code is
hosted at http://code.google.com/p/rhythmbox-predictive-playback/.

> > My plugin is written in Python, but it uses a couple of C++
> > executables.  Should all of this be installed in
> > ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/plugins, or /usr/local/lib/rhythmbox/plugins
>
> I'd put everything in /usr/local/lib/rhythmbox/plugins by default. Are
> you integrating this plugin as a patch to rhythmbox sources or are you
> planning to ship it in a separate tarball ?
I was thinking it'd be more appropriate as a separate tarball, as it
is dependent on a third-party library that is rather large (Marsyas),
but I suppose it could just be another configuration option.  I can
put it into /usr/local/lib/rhythmbox/plugins, but I'll admit that I'm
having trouble making a Makefile.am that will work with a separate
tarball, as all the examples (other plugsin) that I can find seem to
be intended to be built at the same time as Rhythmbox itself.

> Great to see your project is progressing nicely :)
>
> Christophe

Thanks, it seems to be going pretty well, although I'm sure there's
all kinds of strange things that I've done that could be done much
better.  Thanks for the help,

Charlotte
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Hi,

2008/7/21 John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com>:
> This is just an email to gather some input on whether people would
> like to see a planet for Rhythmbox to gather Rhythmbox related Blog
> posts when the new site goes online?
> If your against or for the idea here is the place to get your voice heard.

As said on IRC, communicating more about the cool stuff happening in
rhythmbox land would be really great. However, I'm not sure there are
many blog writers writing mainly about rhythmbox (are there any ?) so
I'm not sure a planet rhythmbox is the best way to achieve that goal.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Peter wrote:
> Arthens wrote:
>   
>> I'm going to suggest a little (I think, I hope) change to the way rhythmbox
>> counts how many times you have listened a song.
>>
>> At the moment (version 0.11.5 on Ubuntu 8.04) the counter is updated exactly
>> when the song ends.
>> IMHO this is really annoying... I just noticed that a lot of my favourites
>> songs have the counter at 0 or few more because often when the song it's
>> almost finished I switch to another one and the counter is not trigged.
>> Consider for example that a lot of songs have a long ending, like a speech
>> or several seconds of silence.
>>
>> My suggest is to move the trigger from the end to about 3/4.
>>     
>
> I like this idea, but I would suggest maybe at the 90% or 95% point
> rather than at 75% through the song.
>
> Peter
Having used Rhythmbox for quite some time (over 3 years now, I think), I 
would *definitely* support this change.  It is frustrating to see very 
popular songs with unfairly lower playcounts.

As a tangent to this idea, maybe the playcount could be stored as a 
double/float?  If you played a song 50%-75% of the way through, then the 
playcount could be incremented by .5  If you played a song over 75%, 
then the playcount could be incremented by 1.0.

Storing playcount as a double could be a lot of code, though... so this 
particular tangent could prove unfeasable.

John
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Hi all,

Thanks to a variety of helpful people, my GSoC plugin has reached some
semblance of functionality.  If anyone is interested in testing it
out, the package can be downloaded from
http://code.google.com/p/rhythmbox-predictive-playback/downloads/list.
 It also requires the installation of the most recent Marsyas version,
which can be acquired from
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=84982&package_id=96585&release_id=612499.
 In order to have ogg and mp3 support, Marsyas must be configured with
--with-mad and --with-vorbis.

On first run, In the Mood will prompt you (with an oh-so-naughty
popup) that the feature analysis database is incomplete.  This is an
unfortunately time-consuming process, taking anywhere from 0.5 to 3
seconds per song, depending on the speed of your computer.  However,
Rhythmbox *should* be functional during this time.  After this
one-time analysis step, you simply drag a song onto the 'In The Mood'
playlist source, and it will add another song that it believes is the
best match.  Once the second starts playing, a third is appended and
so on.

There aren't many options in the configuration panel, but basically,
you can start the analysis from there (if you don't want to do it the
first time it prompts you), and you can choose whether or not new
songs added to the library get analyzed right away.  Also, you can
choose 'evolution' mode (songs appended to the playlist are chosen
based on the LAST song) or 'in the mood' mode (songs are chosen based
on the FIRST song).

I'd love to hear any feedback you might have, thanks!

Charlotte
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I like the double float idea...  Then you could just accumulate the
percentage of a song played.  Play through half a song, add 0.5 to the
playcount.  Play through 10%, add 0.1.  90%?  0.9.

0.5 + 0.1 + 0.9 = 1.5 -> rounds to 2 times.

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:25 AM, John Daiker <daikerjohn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter wrote:
>
>> Arthens wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm going to suggest a little (I think, I hope) change to the way
>>> rhythmbox
>>> counts how many times you have listened a song.
>>>
>>> At the moment (version 0.11.5 on Ubuntu 8.04) the counter is updated
>>> exactly
>>> when the song ends.
>>> IMHO this is really annoying... I just noticed that a lot of my
>>> favourites
>>> songs have the counter at 0 or few more because often when the song it's
>>> almost finished I switch to another one and the counter is not trigged.
>>> Consider for example that a lot of songs have a long ending, like a
>>> speech
>>> or several seconds of silence.
>>>
>>> My suggest is to move the trigger from the end to about 3/4.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I like this idea, but I would suggest maybe at the 90% or 95% point
>> rather than at 75% through the song.
>>
>> Peter
>>
> Having used Rhythmbox for quite some time (over 3 years now, I think), I
> would *definitely* support this change.  It is frustrating to see very
> popular songs with unfairly lower playcounts.
>
> As a tangent to this idea, maybe the playcount could be stored as a
> double/float?  If you played a song 50%-75% of the way through, then the
> playcount could be incremented by .5  If you played a song over 75%, then
> the playcount could be incremented by 1.0.
>
> Storing playcount as a double could be a lot of code, though... so this
> particular tangent could prove unfeasable.
>
> John
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<div dir="ltr">I like the double float idea...&nbsp; Then you could just accumulate the percentage of a song played.&nbsp; Play through half a song, add 0.5 to the playcount.&nbsp; Play through 10%, add 0.1.&nbsp; 90%?&nbsp; 0.9.<br><br>0.5 + 0.1 + 0.9 = 1.5 -&gt; rounds to 2 times.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:25 AM, John Daiker &lt;<a href="mailto:daikerjohn@gmail.com">daikerjohn@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Peter wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Arthens wrote:<br>
 &nbsp;<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I&#39;m going to suggest a little (I think, I hope) change to the way rhythmbox<br>
counts how many times you have listened a song.<br>
<br>
At the moment (version 0.11.5 on Ubuntu 8.04) the counter is updated exactly<br>
when the song ends.<br>
IMHO this is really annoying... I just noticed that a lot of my favourites<br>
songs have the counter at 0 or few more because often when the song it&#39;s<br>
almost finished I switch to another one and the counter is not trigged.<br>
Consider for example that a lot of songs have a long ending, like a speech<br>
or several seconds of silence.<br>
<br>
My suggest is to move the trigger from the end to about 3/4.<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I like this idea, but I would suggest maybe at the 90% or 95% point<br>
rather than at 75% through the song.<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
</blockquote></div>
Having used Rhythmbox for quite some time (over 3 years now, I think), I would *definitely* support this change. &nbsp;It is frustrating to see very popular songs with unfairly lower playcounts.<br>
<br>
As a tangent to this idea, maybe the playcount could be stored as a double/float? &nbsp;If you played a song 50%-75% of the way through, then the playcount could be incremented by .5 &nbsp;If you played a song over 75%, then the playcount could be incremented by 1.0.<br>

<br>
Storing playcount as a double could be a lot of code, though... so this particular tangent could prove unfeasable.<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
John</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
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At 7:14a -0400 on Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Mats Taraldsvik wrote:
>> Totem, VLC, and Mplayer don't have the awesome organization that
>> Rhythmbox has. For someone with alot of videos he helps to be able to
>> see all the videos lined up in that window.
> 
> Then this should, in my opinion, be a feature request in one of those
> video players (preferably Totem, as it would benefit Gnome). Rhythmbox
> is a music player (not a media player).

Boy, not to hijack a conversation, but that screams to me of "don't
reinvent the wheel."  In this case, Rhythmbox has done a wonderful job
of presenting a clean interface for finding music.  Why not modularize
it/librarify it so that other projects don't have to recreate [your] wheel?

It's tied to the library, but with a generic model for a library ... Is
there much talking/sharing between developers of the aforementioned
projects?

Kevin
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On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 18:19 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 2008/7/21 John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com>:
> > This is just an email to gather some input on whether people would
> > like to see a planet for Rhythmbox to gather Rhythmbox related Blog
> > posts when the new site goes online?
> > If your against or for the idea here is the place to get your voice heard.
> 
> As said on IRC, communicating more about the cool stuff happening in
> rhythmbox land would be really great. However, I'm not sure there are
> many blog writers writing mainly about rhythmbox (are there any ?) so
> I'm not sure a planet rhythmbox is the best way to achieve that goal.

Perhaps a digest from the mailing lists would be enough?

Anyway, as said in the rhythmbox-thread on the ubuntu forums, I'll
probably be busy until august, when the holidays are over. Oh, the irony
(in me thinking holidays = more free time ). :)

> Cheers,
> 
> Christophe
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Regards,
Mats

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On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 09:25 -0700, John Daiker wrote:
> Peter wrote:
> > Arthens wrote:
> >   
> >> I'm going to suggest a little (I think, I hope) change to the way rhythmbox
> >> counts how many times you have listened a song.
> >>
> >> At the moment (version 0.11.5 on Ubuntu 8.04) the counter is updated exactly
> >> when the song ends.
> >> IMHO this is really annoying... I just noticed that a lot of my favourites
> >> songs have the counter at 0 or few more because often when the song it's
> >> almost finished I switch to another one and the counter is not trigged.
> >> Consider for example that a lot of songs have a long ending, like a speech
> >> or several seconds of silence.
> >>
> >> My suggest is to move the trigger from the end to about 3/4.
> >>     
> >
> > I like this idea, but I would suggest maybe at the 90% or 95% point
> > rather than at 75% through the song.
> >
> > Peter
> Having used Rhythmbox for quite some time (over 3 years now, I think), I 
> would *definitely* support this change.  It is frustrating to see very 
> popular songs with unfairly lower playcounts.
> 
> As a tangent to this idea, maybe the playcount could be stored as a 
> double/float?  If you played a song 50%-75% of the way through, then the 
> playcount could be incremented by .5  If you played a song over 75%, 
> then the playcount could be incremented by 1.0.
> 
> Storing playcount as a double could be a lot of code, though... so this 
> particular tangent could prove unfeasable.

Another point against this would perhaps be when to upload playcounts to
last.fm?

> 
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Regards,
Mats

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Mats Taraldsvik ha scritto:
> Another point against this would perhaps be when to upload playcounts to
> last.fm?

The problem is that not everyone actually uses Last.fm

I think that - to make thing easier (or even easiest) - we can say that
when you play 90% of a song it should be marked as fully listened.

Other ways are cool, but I think a bit more complicated.

enjoy,  ;)
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On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:22 -0400, Kevin Hunter wrote:
> At 7:14a -0400 on Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Mats Taraldsvik wrote:
> >> Totem, VLC, and Mplayer don't have the awesome organization that
> >> Rhythmbox has. For someone with alot of videos he helps to be able to
> >> see all the videos lined up in that window.
> > 
> > Then this should, in my opinion, be a feature request in one of those
> > video players (preferably Totem, as it would benefit Gnome). Rhythmbox
> > is a music player (not a media player).
> 
> Boy, not to hijack a conversation, but that screams to me of "don't
> reinvent the wheel." In this case, Rhythmbox has done a wonderful job
> of presenting a clean interface for finding music.  Why not modularize
> it/librarify it so that other projects don't have to recreate [your] wheel?
> 

Sure, I'm always against reinventing the wheel, but you agree that this
approach should be copied by a video player / media player, and not
Rhythmbox adding video support? That's what I meant, anyway. 

By filing the bug/feature request in Totem/VLC/MPlayer, nothing stops
you from pointing to Rhythmbox (music organization library) as an
inspiration source.


> It's tied to the library, but with a generic model for a library ... Is
> there much talking/sharing between developers of the aforementioned
> projects?

I have given this a bit of thought, the sharing of code between GNOME
projects, and preventing reinvention all the time.

If developers of every (basic) application made some sort of API for
using their application from other applications, I'm imagining Rhythmbox
benefiting from this:

- Using Sound Juicer directly from Rhythmbox to rip a CD.
- Using gpodder (or another podcast aggregator) to retrieve podcasts,
reducing "Podcasts" in rhythmbox to a(n advanced) playlist/library
- (common) libraries/software to manage ipods/mtp/etc.
- Beagle/Tracker/Xesam for searching

Well, that's all I could think of now. Not that this would be easy to do
at all, but we'd have more reuse of our code, instead of reinventing or
duplicating it in every application.

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Charlotte Curtis ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks to a variety of helpful people, my GSoC plugin has reached some
> semblance of functionality.  If anyone is interested in testing it
> out, the package can be downloaded from
> http://code.google.com/p/rhythmbox-predictive-playback/downloads/list.

This is a fantastic news: I was waiting for it!

>  It also requires the installation of the most recent Marsyas version,
> which can be acquired from
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=84982&package_id=96585&release_id=612499.
>  In order to have ogg and mp3 support, Marsyas must be configured with
> --with-mad and --with-vorbis.

I've just started to compile, but I receive the following error:

> In member function ‘virtual bool RtApiAlsa::probeDeviceOpen(int, RtApi::StreamMode, int, int, RtAudio3Format, int*, int)’:
> ../../otherlibs/RtAudio/RtAudio3.cpp:3997: error: ‘INT_MAX’ was not declared in this scope
> make[2]: *** [RtAudio3.o] Error 1

I'm running Debian SID, so I've tried to look for something like RtAudio
(aptitude search rt |grep audio) and I've installed libarts1-audiofile
libportaudio-dev, but it still doesn't work. How can I figure out the
problem?


> On first run, In the Mood will prompt you (with an oh-so-naughty
> popup) that the feature analysis database is incomplete.  This is an
> unfortunately time-consuming process, taking anywhere from 0.5 to 3
> seconds per song, depending on the speed of your computer.

I think that with my 140 Gb music library it will take the all night! :D

> After this one-time analysis step, you simply drag a song onto the 'In The Mood'
> playlist source, and it will add another song that it believes is the
> best match.  Once the second starts playing, a third is appended and
> so on.

I'm curious to see how it works!

> There aren't many options in the configuration panel, but basically,
> you can start the analysis from there (if you don't want to do it the
> first time it prompts you), and you can choose whether or not new
> songs added to the library get analyzed right away.  Also, you can
> choose 'evolution' mode (songs appended to the playlist are chosen
> based on the LAST song) or 'in the mood' mode (songs are chosen based
> on the FIRST song).

Cool!

> I'd love to hear any feedback you might have, thanks!

Just the time to make it work and I'll send you a feedback!

enjoy, ;)
giopas


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On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 19:16 +0300, Viktor Kojouharov wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
> <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
> >> I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add.
> >> I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
> >>
> >> 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
> >
> > Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.
> >
> 
> Because of music video clips, video podcasts, etc. And Totem, VLC,
> Mplayer already play music, so why do we need Rhythmbox?

Again, I think Totem/VLC/Mplayer has done exactly what the OP requested
here in their application. That is, adding audio support to a video
player. Do you often use one of these applications to play audio?

I think the pattern for listening to music is different from watching
video. You seldom watch more than one, perhaps two movies in a row, and
therefore, the demand for a video library is not that high ( you find
your video file with Beagle/Tracker/Xesam or manually, and therefore
don't need another library to manage ).

Music players, however, are completely different. It's not uncommon to
listen to a lot of tracks in a row, and the need for a library to manage
this music is obvious.

> 
> >> 2. Equalizer - I like increasing the bass
> >> 3. Multiple Libraries - I do a good job organizing my music but think
> >> having another library might help out.
> >
> > I think there is some sort of partial support for it, cause you can add
> > more paths in gconf.
> 
> I don't see the reason behind multiple libraries. A better solution
> would be better filtering of [automatic] playlists.
> 

Consider the following scenario:

I have a large music collection, and a large audiobook collection. I'd
like to keep these separate for the following reasons:

- When I listen to music I don't want track 5 of A Study in Scarlet to
suddenly start playing.
- I don't want to scrobble (last.fm) my audiobooks.
- My dynamic playlists (most popular etc. ) shouldn't include the
audiobook collection.

Perhaps you could do this with playlists, but I don't really see it
being easier.

> >
> >> 4. Sync - Automatically sync with mp3 players, and ipods.
> >
> > Syncing playlists, then? What about podcasts?
> >
> 
> Adding to that, a generic vfs plugin for syncing would be a good idea.
> Add a path to a directory you want to add songs (or sync). That
> directory can be on a harddrive, mass storage, obex, etc ... Good
> solution for all those phones out there, with massive storage
> capacity.

Great! This would (perhaps) be perfect to do with Conduit, which is a
syncing app for GNOME.

> 
> >> 5. reorganize playlists - clicking the artist or rating header at the
> >> top reorganizes the playlist in that order.
> >>
> >> If I knew how to program I would contribute by trying to program those
> >> features.
> >
> > You don't need to be a programmer to contribute.
> >
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Tom
> >>
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I don't think using a float is intuitive. To play half a song twice
doesn't mean that the song was played one time.

But I liked the idea of using a threshold (which could be configured via gc=
onf).

Regards,

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 13:56, Steven Brown <steven.w.j.brown@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> I like the double float idea...  Then you could just accumulate the
> percentage of a song played.  Play through half a song, add 0.5 to the
> playcount.  Play through 10%, add 0.1.  90%?  0.9.
>
> 0.5 + 0.1 + 0.9 =3D 1.5 -> rounds to 2 times.
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:25 AM, John Daiker <daikerjohn@gmail.com> wrote=
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>>
>> Peter wrote:
>>>
>>> Arthens wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to suggest a little (I think, I hope) change to the way
>>>> rhythmbox
>>>> counts how many times you have listened a song.
>>>>
>>>> At the moment (version 0.11.5 on Ubuntu 8.04) the counter is updated
>>>> exactly
>>>> when the song ends.
>>>> IMHO this is really annoying... I just noticed that a lot of my
>>>> favourites
>>>> songs have the counter at 0 or few more because often when the song it=
's
>>>> almost finished I switch to another one and the counter is not trigged=
.
>>>> Consider for example that a lot of songs have a long ending, like a
>>>> speech
>>>> or several seconds of silence.
>>>>
>>>> My suggest is to move the trigger from the end to about 3/4.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I like this idea, but I would suggest maybe at the 90% or 95% point
>>> rather than at 75% through the song.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>> Having used Rhythmbox for quite some time (over 3 years now, I think), I
>> would *definitely* support this change.  It is frustrating to see very
>> popular songs with unfairly lower playcounts.
>>
>> As a tangent to this idea, maybe the playcount could be stored as a
>> double/float?  If you played a song 50%-75% of the way through, then the
>> playcount could be incremented by .5  If you played a song over 75%, the=
n
>> the playcount could be incremented by 1.0.
>>
>> Storing playcount as a double could be a lot of code, though... so this
>> particular tangent could prove unfeasable.
>>
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At 1:55p -0400 on Tue, 22 Jul 2008, giopas wrote:
> I think that - to make thing easier (or even easiest) - we can say that
> when you play 90% of a song it should be marked as fully listened.

Or perhaps, keep a tally?  I listen to it 90%, add .9.  I listen to it
later for 75% of its length, and so add .75.  It's score then, would be
1.65.  Why does it need to stick to an integer count?

Just a thought,

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On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:55 PM, giopas wrote:
> Mats Taraldsvik ha scritto:
>> Another point against this would perhaps be when to upload playcounts to
>> last.fm?
>
> The problem is that not everyone actually uses Last.fm
>

But for those of us that do use Last.fm, it would be nice if the same
threshold was used.  Not essential, but nice.

Looking at the code for the last.fm scrobbler, I think it counts the
track when more than half, or at least two minutes (240s) has been
played (with at most 20s skipped).
http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/rhythmbox/trunk/plugins/audioscrobbler/rb-audioscrobbler.c?revision=5734&view=markup

Does the main RB counter currently look at if the user fast-forwarded
through a song before incrementing the played count?

Peter
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On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 19:55 +0200, giopas wrote:
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> Mats Taraldsvik ha scritto:
> > Another point against this would perhaps be when to upload playcounts to
> > last.fm?
> 
> The problem is that not everyone actually uses Last.fm
> 

Nevertheless, you should consider this for compability reasons, and code
simplicity, I think. 

> I think that - to make thing easier (or even easiest) - we can say that
> when you play 90% of a song it should be marked as fully listened.
> 
> Other ways are cool, but I think a bit more complicated.

Yes, by not storing play count as float, there is no problem.

> 
> enjoy,  ;)
> giopas
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You could make it so that all blog posts tagged with Rhythmbox show up
on the planet.

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
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> On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 18:19 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2008/7/21 John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com>:
>> > This is just an email to gather some input on whether people would
>> > like to see a planet for Rhythmbox to gather Rhythmbox related Blog
>> > posts when the new site goes online?
>> > If your against or for the idea here is the place to get your voice heard.
>>
>> As said on IRC, communicating more about the cool stuff happening in
>> rhythmbox land would be really great. However, I'm not sure there are
>> many blog writers writing mainly about rhythmbox (are there any ?) so
>> I'm not sure a planet rhythmbox is the best way to achieve that goal.
>
> Perhaps a digest from the mailing lists would be enough?
>
> Anyway, as said in the rhythmbox-thread on the ubuntu forums, I'll
> probably be busy until august, when the holidays are over. Oh, the irony
> (in me thinking holidays = more free time ). :)
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks to a variety of helpful people, my GSoC plugin has reached some
>> semblance of functionality.  If anyone is interested in testing it
>> out, the package can be downloaded from
>> http://code.google.com/p/rhythmbox-predictive-playback/downloads/list.
>
> This is a fantastic news: I was waiting for it!
Thanks, I'm glad to hear people are interested!

>>  It also requires the installation of the most recent Marsyas version,
>> which can be acquired from
>> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=84982&package_id=96585&release_id=612499.
>>  In order to have ogg and mp3 support, Marsyas must be configured with
>> --with-mad and --with-vorbis.
>
> I've just started to compile, but I receive the following error:
>
>> In member function 'virtual bool RtApiAlsa::probeDeviceOpen(int, RtApi::StreamMode, int, int, RtAudio3Format, int*, int)':
>> ../../otherlibs/RtAudio/RtAudio3.cpp:3997: error: 'INT_MAX' was not declared in this scope
>> make[2]: *** [RtAudio3.o] Error 1
>
> I'm running Debian SID, so I've tried to look for something like RtAudio
> (aptitude search rt |grep audio) and I've installed libarts1-audiofile
> libportaudio-dev, but it still doesn't work. How can I figure out the
> problem?

Someone mentioned the same problem on the Marsyas mailing lists
(http://tinyurl.com/6pnakm), but it was supposed to have been fixed
prior to the release on July 10th.  Very weird.  You could try
checking out the svn version maybe (their repo page seems to be down
at the moment, but it's just svn co
https://marsyas.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/marsyas/trunk marsyas), or
the fix suggested in the discussion (changing #include <limits.h> to
#include <climits> in a bunch of headers), but that seems like a huge
pain.

>> On first run, In the Mood will prompt you (with an oh-so-naughty
>> popup) that the feature analysis database is incomplete.  This is an
>> unfortunately time-consuming process, taking anywhere from 0.5 to 3
>> seconds per song, depending on the speed of your computer.
>
> I think that with my 140 Gb music library it will take the all night! :D
Yikes!  If you just want to test it out, you can let it analyze some
of the database (probably alphabetical order), then shut down
Rhythmbox and tell the popup not to restart analysis.  Then you can
pick one of the files that did get analyzed and start the playlist
from that, and it will choose from the ones that are finished.  I
should mention though, Marsyas doesn't support FLAC, so if your
library is huge because it's uncompressed, it probably won't work.  On
my to-do list is adding gstreamer support to Marsyas, as well as
re-writing the thing in C++ (the current python/C++ system is pretty
clumsy).

Good luck,

Charlotte
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
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> On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 19:16 +0300, Viktor Kojouharov wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
>> <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
>> >> I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add.
>> >> I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
>> >>
>> >> 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
>> >
>> > Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.
>> >
>>
>> Because of music video clips, video podcasts, etc. And Totem, VLC,
>> Mplayer already play music, so why do we need Rhythmbox?
>
> Again, I think Totem/VLC/Mplayer has done exactly what the OP requested
> here in their application. That is, adding audio support to a video
> player. Do you often use one of these applications to play audio?
>
> I think the pattern for listening to music is different from watching
> video. You seldom watch more than one, perhaps two movies in a row, and
> therefore, the demand for a video library is not that high ( you find
> your video file with Beagle/Tracker/Xesam or manually, and therefore
> don't need another library to manage ).
>
> Music players, however, are completely different. It's not uncommon to
> listen to a lot of tracks in a row, and the need for a library to manage
> this music is obvious.

You seem to think that 'video' stops at full-length videos. There are
other types of videos, some of them directly related to music. And
people do want to watch more than one of those videos in succession.
Videos don't/shouldn't even appear in the main library. A 'videos'
source would be enough. An example of videos: music videos, podcast
videos, episodes, small video clips. Just by adding support for music
videos (and why shouldn't rhythmbox not support them, your logic is
that it should only specialize in music, which is exactly what they
are), one can play any kind of videos. And the underlying
infrastructure is all there, you just have to ask gstreamer. The only
problem is the UI itself, but even a popup video window will be a
start.

>
>>
>> >> 2. Equalizer - I like increasing the bass
>> >> 3. Multiple Libraries - I do a good job organizing my music but think
>> >> having another library might help out.
>> >
>> > I think there is some sort of partial support for it, cause you can add
>> > more paths in gconf.
>>
>> I don't see the reason behind multiple libraries. A better solution
>> would be better filtering of [automatic] playlists.
>>
>
> Consider the following scenario:
>
> I have a large music collection, and a large audiobook collection. I'd
> like to keep these separate for the following reasons:
>
> - When I listen to music I don't want track 5 of A Study in Scarlet to
> suddenly start playing.
> - I don't want to scrobble (last.fm) my audiobooks.
> - My dynamic playlists (most popular etc. ) shouldn't include the
> audiobook collection.
>
> Perhaps you could do this with playlists, but I don't really see it
> being easier.

Just to refute some logic here, if rhythmbox is strictly for music,
you shouldn't be using it to listen to audiobooks.

>
>> >
>> >> 4. Sync - Automatically sync with mp3 players, and ipods.
>> >
>> > Syncing playlists, then? What about podcasts?
>> >
>>
>> Adding to that, a generic vfs plugin for syncing would be a good idea.
>> Add a path to a directory you want to add songs (or sync). That
>> directory can be on a harddrive, mass storage, obex, etc ... Good
>> solution for all those phones out there, with massive storage
>> capacity.
>
> Great! This would (perhaps) be perfect to do with Conduit, which is a
> syncing app for GNOME.
>
I'm not familiar with conduit, but I was thinking more along the line
of more in-rhythmbox syncing. I currently just drag the songs I want
from rhythmbox to nautilus. So unless conduit's features can be
integrated into rhythmbox itself, there won't be that much of an
improvement (at least for me).
>>
>> >> 5. reorganize playlists - clicking the artist or rating header at the
>> >> top reorganizes the playlist in that order.
>> >>
>> >> If I knew how to program I would contribute by trying to program those
>> >> features.
>> >
>> > You don't need to be a programmer to contribute.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Thank you,
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> rhythmbox-devel mailing list
>> >> rhythmbox-devel@gnome.org
>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/rhythmbox-devel
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > rhythmbox-devel mailing list
>> > rhythmbox-devel@gnome.org
>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/rhythmbox-devel
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> rhythmbox-devel@gnome.org
>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/rhythmbox-devel
>
> regards,
> Mats
>
>
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:30 PM, John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com> wrote:

> You could make it so that all blog posts tagged with Rhythmbox show up
> on the planet.


Planet:
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch_feeds?hl=en&q=rhythmbox&ie=utf-8&num=10&output=rss

Cheers,
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:30 PM, John McHugh &lt;<a href="mailto:tretle@gmail.com">tretle@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
You could make it so that all blog posts tagged with Rhythmbox show up<br>
on the planet.</blockquote><div><br>Planet: <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch_feeds?hl=en&amp;q=rhythmbox&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;num=10&amp;output=rss">http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch_feeds?hl=en&amp;q=rhythmbox&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;num=10&amp;output=rss</a><br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Andrew <br></div></div></div>

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El mar, 22-07-2008 a las 12:49 -0400, Charlotte Curtis escribió:
> 
> I'd love to hear any feedback you might have, thanks!

As you are not shipping a file to generate inthemood.rb-plugin, you
shouldn't add it to CLEANFILES nor DISTCLEANFILES (in src/Makefile.am).
Otherwise, the .rb-plugin file will be deleted on 'make clean' and 'make
distclean'. You should only do that if you are shipping a
inthemood.rb-plugin.in file from which you generate inthemood.rb-plugin
(useful to get the plugin name and description translated).

I was able to build the dependencies and install the plugin properly,
but I think that once I click on 'begin analysis' from the configuration
dialog, nothing really happens. Restarting rhythmbox showed me the "Do
you want to start analyzing now?" dialog, and then analysis started.


Off to bed, can't wait to wake up and test the results of the
analysis :-)

Claudio

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I have a few tracks that have a song, then 5 or 10 mins of silence, and 
then a bonus song. so i can see why this would be useful. however in 
these cases i would skip after 20 to 30% of the song.

Another solution would be to add 'end' (and possibly 'start') tags to 
the songs. so for my long track with silence and bonus song, i just open 
up its properties, and set the end to be 3 mins and 20 sec (or whatever).

now it will automatically skip when the song finishes (no more of me 
pushing buttons), and because it has 'finished' it increments the counter.

according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3 ID3v1 extended tags have 
start-time and end-time tags.

Sam
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Mats Taraldsvik <
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> On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
> > I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add.
> > I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
> >
> > 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
>
> Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.


Not to pick on you (more a commentary on the subsequent thread), but Banshee
recently added video support (
http://banshee-project.org/download/archives/1.0.0/) and I haven't seen any
but one person (who was rather trollish) complain about it. Obviously at
least some people want a consolidated media player, and of course you're
still free to continue using separate apps for the job.

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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Mats Taraldsvik &lt;<a href="mailto:mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no">mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:<br>
&gt; I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add.<br>
&gt; I was unsure what the best way to do that is.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this<br>
<br>
</div>Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.</blockquote><div><br>Not to pick on you (more a commentary on the subsequent thread), but Banshee recently added video support (<a href="http://banshee-project.org/download/archives/1.0.0/">http://banshee-project.org/download/archives/1.0.0/</a>) and I haven&#39;t seen any but one person (who was rather trollish) complain about it. Obviously at least some people want a consolidated media player, and of course you&#39;re still free to continue using separate apps for the job.<br>
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2008/7/22 Charlotte Curtis <c.f.curtis@gmail.com>:

>
> I'd love to hear any feedback you might have, thanks!
>

Hi Charlotte. I'm looking forward to trying this plugin, but unfortunately I
can't until it supports FLAC. Any idea of a timescale for this?

-- 
Regards,
Derek

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<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/7/22 Charlotte Curtis &lt;<a href="mailto:c.f.curtis@gmail.com">c.f.curtis@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
I&#39;d love to hear any feedback you might have, thanks!<br>
</blockquote></div><br>Hi Charlotte. I&#39;m looking forward to trying this plugin, but unfortunately I can&#39;t until it supports FLAC. Any idea of a timescale for this? <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Regards,<br>Derek
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:56 AM, John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Banshee still needs some work with video metadata in my honest
> opinion. I cant use it for sorting out my video collection anyway.


Fixable. And isn't that beside the point?

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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:56 AM, John McHugh &lt;<a href="mailto:tretle@gmail.com">tretle@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Banshee still needs some work with video metadata in my honest<br>
opinion. I cant use it for sorting out my video collection anyway.</blockquote><div><br>Fixable. And isn&#39;t that beside the point?</div></div><br></div>

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It seems as though there are people who would like video support, and
some who would not.  Wouldn't it be possible to implement it as an
optional plugin so that people can decide whether or not to install
it?  Of course, this assumes that there is a developer willing to
create it.  I just don't see why it would need to be part of the main
installation.

My $0.02...

Charlotte
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On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 07:40 -0400, Andrew Conkling wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Mats Taraldsvik
> <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
>         On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
>         > I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of
>         features to add.
>         > I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
>         >
>         > 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
>         
>         
>         Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer
>         does this.
> 
> Not to pick on you (more a commentary on the subsequent thread), but
> Banshee recently added video support
> (http://banshee-project.org/download/archives/1.0.0/) and I haven't
> seen any but one person (who was rather trollish) complain about it.
> Obviously at least some people want a consolidated media player, and
> of course you're still free to continue using separate apps for the
> job.
> 

I know that Banshee added this, and frankly, I hate it. That's another
player when right-clicking a video file -> play with.

If Rhythmbox adds this, I should be able to disable it, something I
haven't figured out how to do in Banshee. (Is it possible?).

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:48 AM, John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Its not really beside the point because I am just trying to say that
> if video support were to be added I think that metadata would be
> prioritized. If you just show all the video files in one widget then
> its going to reduce the speed of rhythmbox, thats something the
> developers would not take kindly to.
> They do pride Rhythmbox on speed after all.


I'm fairly sure those issues could be overcome; the Rhythmbox developers are
clever people. There are already plenty of plugins that extend Rhythmbox's
functionality beyond basic music management and I haven't noticed any
noticeable speed issues.

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<div dir="ltr">Please be sure to send all replies to the mailing list. (Depending on your mail client, Reply to All or Reply to List will work.)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:48 AM, John McHugh &lt;<a href="mailto:tretle@gmail.com">tretle@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Its not really beside the point because I am just trying to say that<br>
if video support were to be added I think that metadata would be<br>
prioritized. If you just show all the video files in one widget then<br>
its going to reduce the speed of rhythmbox, thats something the<br>
developers would not take kindly to.<br>
They do pride Rhythmbox on speed after all.</blockquote><div><br>I&#39;m fairly sure those issues could be overcome; the Rhythmbox developers are clever people. There are already plenty of plugins that extend Rhythmbox&#39;s functionality beyond basic music management and I haven&#39;t noticed any noticeable speed issues.<br>
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Copying the Banshee list for input. Please continue any Banshee-related
discussion there.

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Mats Taraldsvik <
mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 07:40 -0400, Andrew Conkling wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Mats Taraldsvik
> > <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
> >         On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
> >         > I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of
> >         features to add.
> >         > I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
> >         >
> >         > 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
> >
> >         Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer
> >         does this.
> >
> > Not to pick on you (more a commentary on the subsequent thread), but
> > Banshee recently added video support
> > (http://banshee-project.org/download/archives/1.0.0/) and I haven't
> > seen any but one person (who was rather trollish) complain about it.
> > Obviously at least some people want a consolidated media player, and
> > of course you're still free to continue using separate apps for the
> > job.
>
> I know that Banshee added this, and frankly, I hate it. That's another
> player when right-clicking a video file -> play with.


Uninstall Mplayer, VLC, gxine, and others. I have only two (Totem and
Banshee). And even if you have more, I wouldn't really call that a major
problem. :)


> If Rhythmbox adds this, I should be able to disable it, something I
> haven't figured out how to do in Banshee. (Is it possible?).


I'm not sure. It might be an extension you can disable in Edit |
Preferences, on the Extensions tab? (Anyone else able to test this?) I
haven't thought about this since I'm rather enamored by the idea, but this
is certainly a valid use case that should be covered, IMO.

Cheers,
Andrew

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<div dir="ltr">Copying the Banshee list for input. Please continue any Banshee-related discussion there.<br><br>On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Mats Taraldsvik &lt;<a href="mailto:mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no">mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 07:40 -0400, Andrew Conkling wrote:<br>

&gt; On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Mats Taraldsvik<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no">mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; features to add.<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; I was unsure what the best way to do that is.<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; does this.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Not to pick on you (more a commentary on the subsequent thread), but<br>
&gt; Banshee recently added video support<br>
&gt; (<a href="http://banshee-project.org/download/archives/1.0.0/" target="_blank">http://banshee-project.org/download/archives/1.0.0/</a>) and I haven&#39;t<br>
&gt; seen any but one person (who was rather trollish) complain about it.<br>
&gt; Obviously at least some people want a consolidated media player, and<br>
&gt; of course you&#39;re still free to continue using separate apps for the<br>
&gt; job.<br>
<br>
</div></div>I know that Banshee added this, and frankly, I hate it. That&#39;s another<br>
player when right-clicking a video file -&gt; play with.</blockquote><div><br>Uninstall Mplayer, VLC, gxine, and others. I have only two (Totem and Banshee). And even if you have more, I wouldn&#39;t really call that a major problem. :)<br>
&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">If Rhythmbox adds this, I should be able to disable it, something I<br>
haven&#39;t figured out how to do in Banshee. (Is it possible?).</blockquote><div><br>I&#39;m not sure. It might be an extension you can disable in Edit | Preferences, on the Extensions tab? (Anyone else able to test this?) I haven&#39;t thought about this since I&#39;m rather enamored by the idea, but this is certainly a valid use case that should be covered, IMO.<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Andrew<br></div></div></div>

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On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 01:24 +0300, Viktor Kojouharov wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
> <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 19:16 +0300, Viktor Kojouharov wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
> >> <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 03:44 -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:
> >> >> I really like Rhythmbox. I have a couple suggestions of features to add.
> >> >> I was unsure what the best way to do that is.
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this
> >> >
> >> > Why would Rhythmbox need video support? Totem, VLC, MPlayer does this.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Because of music video clips, video podcasts, etc. And Totem, VLC,
> >> Mplayer already play music, so why do we need Rhythmbox?
> >
> > Again, I think Totem/VLC/Mplayer has done exactly what the OP requested
> > here in their application. That is, adding audio support to a video
> > player. Do you often use one of these applications to play audio?
> >
> > I think the pattern for listening to music is different from watching
> > video. You seldom watch more than one, perhaps two movies in a row, and
> > therefore, the demand for a video library is not that high ( you find
> > your video file with Beagle/Tracker/Xesam or manually, and therefore
> > don't need another library to manage ).
> >
> > Music players, however, are completely different. It's not uncommon to
> > listen to a lot of tracks in a row, and the need for a library to manage
> > this music is obvious.
> 
> You seem to think that 'video' stops at full-length videos. There are
> other types of videos, some of them directly related to music. And
> people do want to watch more than one of those videos in succession.
> Videos don't/shouldn't even appear in the main library. A 'videos'
> source would be enough. An example of videos: music videos, podcast
> videos, episodes, small video clips. Just by adding support for music
> videos (and why shouldn't rhythmbox not support them, your logic is
> that it should only specialize in music, which is exactly what they
> are), one can play any kind of videos. And the underlying
> infrastructure is all there, you just have to ask gstreamer. The only
> problem is the UI itself, but even a popup video window will be a
> start.
> 

I see your point about smaller video files. But if Rhythmbox adds video
support, it should do it properly, not like VLC/Totem/MPlayer has with
audio files (and not just a popup window).

That said, if you can disable this support, I won't mind. 

> >
> >>
> >> >> 2. Equalizer - I like increasing the bass
> >> >> 3. Multiple Libraries - I do a good job organizing my music but think
> >> >> having another library might help out.
> >> >
> >> > I think there is some sort of partial support for it, cause you can add
> >> > more paths in gconf.
> >>
> >> I don't see the reason behind multiple libraries. A better solution
> >> would be better filtering of [automatic] playlists.
> >>
> >
> > Consider the following scenario:
> >
> > I have a large music collection, and a large audiobook collection. I'd
> > like to keep these separate for the following reasons:
> >
> > - When I listen to music I don't want track 5 of A Study in Scarlet to
> > suddenly start playing.
> > - I don't want to scrobble (last.fm) my audiobooks.
> > - My dynamic playlists (most popular etc. ) shouldn't include the
> > audiobook collection.
> >
> > Perhaps you could do this with playlists, but I don't really see it
> > being easier.
> 
> Just to refute some logic here, if rhythmbox is strictly for music,
> you shouldn't be using it to listen to audiobooks.
> 

Ok, you got me. :p I meant audio player, not music player. Or did you
think I wanted to remove the current podcast and radio support?

> >
> >> >
> >> >> 4. Sync - Automatically sync with mp3 players, and ipods.
> >> >
> >> > Syncing playlists, then? What about podcasts?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Adding to that, a generic vfs plugin for syncing would be a good idea.
> >> Add a path to a directory you want to add songs (or sync). That
> >> directory can be on a harddrive, mass storage, obex, etc ... Good
> >> solution for all those phones out there, with massive storage
> >> capacity.
> >
> > Great! This would (perhaps) be perfect to do with Conduit, which is a
> > syncing app for GNOME.
> >
> I'm not familiar with conduit, but I was thinking more along the line
> of more in-rhythmbox syncing. I currently just drag the songs I want
> from rhythmbox to nautilus. So unless conduit's features can be
> integrated into rhythmbox itself, there won't be that much of an
> improvement (at least for me).

I don't know if you can sync from an external application, but Conduit
will be the official sync-tool for Gnome, so it should be used.

> >>
> >> >> 5. reorganize playlists - clicking the artist or rating header at the
> >> >> top reorganizes the playlist in that order.
> >> >>
> >> >> If I knew how to program I would contribute by trying to program those
> >> >> features.
> >> >
> >> > You don't need to be a programmer to contribute.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you,
> >> >> Tom
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >
> > regards,
> > Mats
> >
> >
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Hi *,

Thanks to Charlotte help and a little bit of time, I've succeeded
compiling inthemood plugin. I've just started to populate inthemood db,
so I will keep an user feedback for... hopefully, next days (it depends
on inthemood population speed)! :D

However, I would like to post a quick Debian SID guide to make inthemood
and marsyas compile:

> #### 0. install dependecies [1]
> 
> ~# aptitude install libarts1-audiofile libportaudio-dev libmad0-dev libvorbis-dev
> ~# ldconfig
> 
> #### 0.1. download inthemood tarballs from
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/rhythmbox-predictive-playback/downloads/list
> 
> #### 0.2. download marsyas tarballs
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=84982&package_id=96585&release_id=612499
> 
> 
> ### because of a little bug, I used last available SVN source revision (2913):
> 
> ~$ cd SVN
> ~/SVN$ svn co https://marsyas.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/marsyas/trunk marsyas
>
> 
> ### 1. install marsyas:
> 
> ~$ cd SVN/marsyas-0.2.16
> ~/SVN/marsyas-0.2.16$ ./configure --with-mad --with-vorbis
> ~/SVN/marsyas-0.2.16$ make
> ~/SVN/marsyas-0.2.16# checkinstall
> 
> 
> ### 2. install inthemood
>
>
> ~$ cd SVN/inthemood
> ~/SVN/inthemood$ ./configure
> ~/SVN/inthemood$ make
> ~/SVN/inthemood# checkinstall

That's it!

Now I cross my fingers, hoping that my laptop will not burn! :D

Anyway, thanks for your work Charlotte.

enjoy, ;)
giopas


[1] maybe libarts1-audiofile is not really necessary, just try without
it, and if it fails, install it :D

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giopas ha scritto:
>  
> Now I cross my fingers, hoping that my laptop will not burn! :D

I've just discovered that .vec files are stored on my home (~) and not
in a specific folder! O_O

Charlotte, I've read that your are thinking about creating a .vec
database in order to make inthemood work faster, but you still didn't
choose how to implement it. Is it true? Maybe you can ask here for some
suggestion.

enjoy, ;)
giopas


ps: at the end of .vec creation, can I move all 32567 .vec files
somewhere (like ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood-db)?


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El mié, 23-07-2008 a las 20:54 +0200, giopas escribió:
> ps: at the end of .vec creation, can I move all 32567 .vec files
> somewhere (like ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood-db)?

Move them to ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood, that will make the plugin
work.

/me testing...

Claudio
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Claudio Saavedra ha scritto:
> El mi�, 23-07-2008 a las 20:54 +0200, giopas escribi�:
>> ps: at the end of .vec creation, can I move all 32567 .vec files
>> somewhere (like ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood-db)?
> 
> Move them to ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood, that will make the plugin
> work.
> 
> /me testing...
> 
> Claudio

Thanks Claudio, as soon as I will do as soon as I'll finish (I'm still
at D letter :D )

Charlotte, can you fix it in nex rev? Maybe, because of the folder size,
it would be pretty to ask where should it be stored in GUI interface...
(just an idea)

enjoy, ;)
giopas

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> Claudio Saavedra ha scritto:
>> El mi=E9, 23-07-2008 a las 20:54 +0200, giopas escribi=F3:
>>> ps: at the end of .vec creation, can I move all 32567 .vec files
>>> somewhere (like ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood-db)?
>>
>> Move them to ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood, that will make the plugin
>> work

Oops!  That is a serious oversight on my part - it is an unwieldy
number of files, and they are supposed to be in
~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood.  Line 246 of __init__.py should read
"vecfile =3D os.path.join(self.vecfolder,
self.escape_vecfile_name(entry))" instead of simply "vecfile =3D
self.escape_vecfile_name(entry)".  I'll change it, along with a few
other things that have very kindly been brought to my attention, and
hopefully all those files don't bring your system to a grinding halt.

Charlotte
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Hello

I use Rhythmbox now for a while. Great app :)
I thought it might be nice if I could sort a huge list by default. Say,
first sort by album, then by track, then by title, or so. Is it possible
to create such preferences? Others could prefer other ways of sorting. 

Jaap (nl)


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Hi,

On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 20:19 +0200, Jaap Cramer wrote:
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> I thought it might be nice if I could sort a huge list by default. Say,
> first sort by album, then by track, then by title, or so. Is it possible
> to create such preferences? Others could prefer other ways of sorting. 
> 
> Jaap (nl)

If I remember correctly, this was requested not long ago. The most
obvious problem would be how to make this sorting intuitive in the UI.

Search in the list archive.

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Charlotte Curtis ha scritto:
> Oops!  That is a serious oversight on my part - it is an unwieldy
> number of files, and they are supposed to be in
> ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/inthemood.  Line 246 of __init__.py should read
> "vecfile = os.path.join(self.vecfolder,
> self.escape_vecfile_name(entry))" instead of simply "vecfile =
> self.escape_vecfile_name(entry)".  I'll change it, along with a few
> other things that have very kindly been brought to my attention, and
> hopefully all those files don't bring your system to a grinding halt.
> 
> Charlotte

Ok, after the entire night of populating inthemood database and some
short tests, here my firsts commentaries:

1. with a huge music collection (> 150Gb), inthemood takes about 2.5
minutes after playing each songs, in order to find the next one (not in
predictive mode).

2. after the begin of each song Rhythmbox GUI freezes for (at least)
5-10 seconds (all plugins are disabled except for Last-fm, that usually
does not make Rhythmbox freeze, but I will try to test inthemood without
it), I think in order to find next song

3. I started from an HipHop song, and after 9 songs I listened Loosing
My Religion! I know that it is not a "genre basis" similarities, but
this result made me a bit surprised.

Here the list of songs (anyway, if Charlotte needs it, I can send him
all .vec files in order to have a look at them):

	Group				Title	
a.	3�me Oeil			La vie de reve grand tourism
b.	Blankass			Celui que j'aimefrancais
c.	John Scofield			Offspring
d.	Michael Jackson feat. Wu-Tang Clan and Mobb Deep	Smooth 									
Criminal
e.	Guns'N'Roses			Hair of the dog
f.	Michael Jackson feat. Wu-Tang Clan and Mobb Deep	Smooth 									
Criminal
g.	Lord Kossity						Vanity
h.	Sting & The Police					If you 							love somebody let them free
i.	REM				Losing my religion


I've just done another test and here the results:

a.	The Chemical Brothers		09. Hey Boys, Hey Girl
b.	Chemical Brothers		hey boys, hey girl
c.	The Chemical Brothers		Hey Boys Hey Girl
d.	David Bowie			Here comes the night	
e.	Real Life			Send me an angel
f.	Sum41				Motivation
g.	Patty Pravo			A modo mio


What I can see from this preliminary test is that:

4. control based on id3 tags in order to avoid to play the same song,
does not work as expected (see first sequence with Michael Jackson), or
is not so smart to understand that there is an id3 issue (see second
sequence with The Chemical Brothers).

5. as anticipated before, inthemood results surprised me a lot because
it finds similarities between songs I'd really never suppose. :)

However, this is just a 0.1 release... so I'm already waiting for next
releases!


enjoy, ;)
giopas


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On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Mats Taraldsvik
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> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 20:19 +0200, Jaap Cramer wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> I use Rhythmbox now for a while. Great app :)
>> I thought it might be nice if I could sort a huge list by default. Say,
>> first sort by album, then by track, then by title, or so. Is it possible
>> to create such preferences? Others could prefer other ways of sorting.
>>
>> Jaap (nl)
>
> If I remember correctly, this was requested not long ago. The most
> obvious problem would be how to make this sorting intuitive in the UI.
>
> Search in the list archive.
>

BeOS's Tracker file manager had a simple method for sorting on
secondary columns. Clicking on one column header would sort files by
that column. Shift+clicking on another column would then perform a
secondary sort on that column. I don't remember if it supported
further nesting, but combined with its ability to display file
attributes as columns, it made organizing collections of files such as
mp3s and emails, very nice. The primary sort column was visually
indicated by a solid line under the column name, and the secondary
sort column had a dashed underline.


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Got bored, remembered discussion about the progress bar so created a
mockup of what rhythmbox would look like if the progress bar was
relocated.

Other changes included a full frame around the album art(The frame
currently doesn't cover the top), and the categories integrate better
with the theme(right now they stay grey regardless of the theme).

As for the progress bar debate, I don't really know where I stand
because I can see problems with both ui's. The current one increases
screen real estate for the playback which increases precision at the
cost of loosing screen real estate for the library itself.

Moving the progress bar into the toolbar would increase the screen
real estate for the music library at the cost of loosing precision.

In the mockup I have completely removed the currently playing artist
info (song-artist-album). The reason I removed this was because I felt
it was wasting screen real estate when 2 out of 3 are already
displayed in the window decoration.
Currently the artist and song are displayed in the window decoration
but if the album was also displayed you could gain a considerable
amount of space in rhythmbox itself regardless of whether the progress
bar is moved or not.


The mockup can be viewed here -
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On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:34 PM, giopas <linux@giopas.eu> wrote:
> Ok, after the entire night of populating inthemood database and some
> short tests, here my firsts commentaries:
>
> 1. with a huge music collection (> 150Gb), inthemood takes about 2.5
> minutes after playing each songs, in order to find the next one (not in
> predictive mode).
That seems *very* excessive.  I hadn't realized the matching program
was so inefficient!  With my database (~2500 analyzed songs) I can't
even measure the amount of time it takes with gprof, so I thought it
would be okay.  At least I know what needs to happen now.

> 2. after the begin of each song Rhythmbox GUI freezes for (at least)
> 5-10 seconds (all plugins are disabled except for Last-fm, that usually
> does not make Rhythmbox freeze, but I will try to test inthemood without
> it), I think in order to find next song

Again, this is one of those "should not happen" things.  I put in a
line to wait for the subprocess to finish because I was getting the
occasional zombie, but perhaps this is what's causing it to hang.
Perhaps try  commenting out the line 'fcompare.wait()' right at the
end of __init__.py?

> 3. I started from an HipHop song, and after 9 songs I listened Loosing
> My Religion! I know that it is not a "genre basis" similarities, but
> this result made me a bit surprised.

The similarity vector is mainly based on timbre (52/68 dimensions), so
it is mostly looking at the quality of the sound of the song rather
than the beat or anything else.  However, I have thought of the idea
of possibly modifying the weighting of the distance computation, so
perhaps this might be something I should consider more seriously.

> Here the list of songs (anyway, if Charlotte needs it, I can send him
> all .vec files in order to have a look at them):
>
>        Group                           Title
> a.      3=E8me Oeil                       La vie de reve grand tourism
> b.      Blankass                        Celui que j'aimefrancais
> c.      John Scofield                   Offspring
> d.      Michael Jackson feat. Wu-Tang Clan and Mobb Deep        Smooth
> Criminal
> e.      Guns'N'Roses                    Hair of the dog
> f.      Michael Jackson feat. Wu-Tang Clan and Mobb Deep        Smooth
> Criminal
> g.      Lord Kossity                                            Vanity
> h.      Sting & The Police                                      If you   =
                                               love somebody let them free
> i.      REM                             Losing my religion

The fact that you are getting duplicate results is not good!  Do you
actually have multiple copies of these repeated songs with slightly
different names, or is the same song being found twice?  If it is the
former, then I'm not sure what can be done - perhaps a more
intelligent exclusion filter.

> I've just done another test and here the results:
>
> a.      The Chemical Brothers           09. Hey Boys, Hey Girl
> b.      Chemical Brothers               hey boys, hey girl
> c.      The Chemical Brothers           Hey Boys Hey Girl
> d.      David Bowie                     Here comes the night
> e.      Real Life                       Send me an angel
> f.      Sum41                           Motivation
> g.      Patty Pravo                     A modo mio
>
>
> What I can see from this preliminary test is that:
>
> 4. control based on id3 tags in order to avoid to play the same song,
> does not work as expected (see first sequence with Michael Jackson), or
> is not so smart to understand that there is an id3 issue (see second
> sequence with The Chemical Brothers).

Again, with songs that are the same, but named slightly differently,
this will happen.  Maybe if I remove common modifiers like "The" and
such it will be a more robust filtering scheme.

> 5. as anticipated before, inthemood results surprised me a lot because
> it finds similarities between songs I'd really never suppose. :)

Another thing I should mention is that it only analyzes the middle 30
seconds of the song.  This was done to reduce the amount of time
required for analysis, but it is possible that it could pick up on a
segment that is actually quite distinct from the rest of the song.
I'm not sure how this could be improved while maintaining a tolerable
analysis time.

> However, this is just a 0.1 release... so I'm already waiting for next
> releases!

Thank you so much for your very detailed feedback!  I will continue to
work on this plugin (full-time for the rest of the summer even) and I
hope I can solve some of the issues that are appearing.

Charlotte
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 03:44:57AM -0400, Tommy Ryan wrote:

> 1. Video support - I know alot have suggested this

I don't think that adding video playback to rhythmbox is necessarily a bad
idea, but I think it's not likely to be a good way to make a video library 
app.  I haven't really thought about what a good video library app would look
like, but approaching the problem starting with the structure and limitations
of rhythmbox as it stands today probably wouldn't help.

Other things aside, the crossfading player backend can't do video playback,
and I suspect that adding video output would complicate it a bit too much.

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John McHugh wrote:
> In the mockup I have completely removed the currently playing artist
> info (song-artist-album). The reason I removed this was because I felt
> it was wasting screen real estate when 2 out of 3 are already
> displayed in the window decoration.
> Currently the artist and song are displayed in the window decoration
> but if the album was also displayed you could gain a considerable
> amount of space in rhythmbox itself regardless of whether the progress
> bar is moved or not.
>
> The mockup can be viewed here -
> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhythmboxmockup4ln0.png

Personally I like having the current artist and song in the main
window display, so I wouldn't support your proposed mock-up.  Also, in
full screen mode might some window managers omit the window
decoration?

(Am I right in assuming you are not suggesting removing the current
artist and song when in full screen party mode? Here there is
definitely no window title bar to show this information)

Peter
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Hi,

Great!

Here are my two cents:

On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 00:24 +0100, John McHugh wrote:
> Got bored, remembered discussion about the progress bar so created a
> mockup of what rhythmbox would look like if the progress bar was
> relocated.
> 

Looks good. I would perhaps have rounded corners. Perhaps (plugin / ui /
additional ) buttons not related to play/pause/next etc. could be placed
after or before the volume?

Make another "module" below the progress bar(/module) with search/
(all/artists/albums/titles)/toggle browser.

Align "Library |>" and the "treeview"/browser/track listing.

> Other changes included a full frame around the album art(The frame
> currently doesn't cover the top), and the categories integrate better
> with the theme(right now they stay grey regardless of the theme).

I like it :)

> 
> As for the progress bar debate, I don't really know where I stand
> because I can see problems with both ui's. The current one increases
> screen real estate for the playback which increases precision at the
> cost of loosing screen real estate for the library itself.
> 
> Moving the progress bar into the toolbar would increase the screen
> real estate for the music library at the cost of loosing precision.
> 
> In the mockup I have completely removed the currently playing artist
> info (song-artist-album). The reason I removed this was because I felt
> it was wasting screen real estate when 2 out of 3 are already
> displayed in the window decoration.
> Currently the artist and song are displayed in the window decoration
> but if the album was also displayed you could gain a considerable
> amount of space in rhythmbox itself regardless of whether the progress
> bar is moved or not.

With my "module" / toolbar(s) solution, a button to toggle
artist/album/etc could be added before or after "volume"-button.

> 
> The mockup can be viewed here -
> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhythmboxmockup4ln0.png


( Despite being rubbish in GIMP, I could try to mock this idea, if that
is necessary/ my explanation causes confution. )

Regards,
Mats

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Hello,

I think it would be a nice little feature if a middle-click (i.e. scroll 
wheel click) on a track immediately queued that track.


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I just noticed another problem with the mockup, when you press
visualization button in said mockup the brows and visualization
buttons are hidden by the visualization.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
<mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Great!
>
> Here are my two cents:
>
> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 00:24 +0100, John McHugh wrote:
>> Got bored, remembered discussion about the progress bar so created a
>> mockup of what rhythmbox would look like if the progress bar was
>> relocated.
>>
>
> Looks good. I would perhaps have rounded corners. Perhaps (plugin / ui /
> additional ) buttons not related to play/pause/next etc. could be placed
> after or before the volume?
>
> Make another "module" below the progress bar(/module) with search/
> (all/artists/albums/titles)/toggle browser.
>
> Align "Library |>" and the "treeview"/browser/track listing.
>
>> Other changes included a full frame around the album art(The frame
>> currently doesn't cover the top), and the categories integrate better
>> with the theme(right now they stay grey regardless of the theme).
>
> I like it :)
>
>>
>> As for the progress bar debate, I don't really know where I stand
>> because I can see problems with both ui's. The current one increases
>> screen real estate for the playback which increases precision at the
>> cost of loosing screen real estate for the library itself.
>>
>> Moving the progress bar into the toolbar would increase the screen
>> real estate for the music library at the cost of loosing precision.
>>
>> In the mockup I have completely removed the currently playing artist
>> info (song-artist-album). The reason I removed this was because I felt
>> it was wasting screen real estate when 2 out of 3 are already
>> displayed in the window decoration.
>> Currently the artist and song are displayed in the window decoration
>> but if the album was also displayed you could gain a considerable
>> amount of space in rhythmbox itself regardless of whether the progress
>> bar is moved or not.
>
> With my "module" / toolbar(s) solution, a button to toggle
> artist/album/etc could be added before or after "volume"-button.
>
>>
>> The mockup can be viewed here -
>> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhythmboxmockup4ln0.png
>
>
> ( Despite being rubbish in GIMP, I could try to mock this idea, if that
> is necessary/ my explanation causes confution. )
>
> Regards,
> Mats
>
>
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Is there any chance of loading up cover art?

Greetings from Cologne (Germany)

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Jens Kolepka <jens@kolepka.de> wrote:
> Is there any chance of loading up cover art?
>
> Greetings from Cologne (Germany)

There is a plugin for cover art - check it is installed and turned on.

Peter
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First of all I want to say thank you to the development team. Great
effort.

No to my questions: 
1. I have recently bought sansa e280 and installed rockbox version
r18085-080717. I ripped quite several CDs to ogg format  - the music
files on my disk have ogg extension. I copied these ogg files using
rhythmbox to the player. I was really surprised to discover that all the
files have mp3 extensions on my sansa player!  I suspect (after reading
several posts here) that rhythmbox is doing the conversion. Is there any
way to stop it (since I am using rockbox on my player I can play oggs
directly).

2. Second question: When ripping cds, is there any way to force
rhythmbox to avoid creating files with special characters in their
names?

Thanks,

Piotr


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First of all I want to say thank you to the development team. Great<BR>
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I added the curves and moved the buttons to a new location... still
not sure about the button location though

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:47 PM, John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just noticed another problem with the mockup, when you press
> visualization button in said mockup the brows and visualization
> buttons are hidden by the visualization.
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
> <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Great!
>>
>> Here are my two cents:
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 00:24 +0100, John McHugh wrote:
>>> Got bored, remembered discussion about the progress bar so created a
>>> mockup of what rhythmbox would look like if the progress bar was
>>> relocated.
>>>
>>
>> Looks good. I would perhaps have rounded corners. Perhaps (plugin / ui /
>> additional ) buttons not related to play/pause/next etc. could be placed
>> after or before the volume?
>>
>> Make another "module" below the progress bar(/module) with search/
>> (all/artists/albums/titles)/toggle browser.
>>
>> Align "Library |>" and the "treeview"/browser/track listing.
>>
>>> Other changes included a full frame around the album art(The frame
>>> currently doesn't cover the top), and the categories integrate better
>>> with the theme(right now they stay grey regardless of the theme).
>>
>> I like it :)
>>
>>>
>>> As for the progress bar debate, I don't really know where I stand
>>> because I can see problems with both ui's. The current one increases
>>> screen real estate for the playback which increases precision at the
>>> cost of loosing screen real estate for the library itself.
>>>
>>> Moving the progress bar into the toolbar would increase the screen
>>> real estate for the music library at the cost of loosing precision.
>>>
>>> In the mockup I have completely removed the currently playing artist
>>> info (song-artist-album). The reason I removed this was because I felt
>>> it was wasting screen real estate when 2 out of 3 are already
>>> displayed in the window decoration.
>>> Currently the artist and song are displayed in the window decoration
>>> but if the album was also displayed you could gain a considerable
>>> amount of space in rhythmbox itself regardless of whether the progress
>>> bar is moved or not.
>>
>> With my "module" / toolbar(s) solution, a button to toggle
>> artist/album/etc could be added before or after "volume"-button.
>>
>>>
>>> The mockup can be viewed here -
>>> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhythmboxmockup4ln0.png
>>
>>
>> ( Despite being rubbish in GIMP, I could try to mock this idea, if that
>> is necessary/ my explanation causes confution. )
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mats
>>
>>
>
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forgot to add the link to the new mockup :D silly me

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhythmboxmockup5qx4.png

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:41 PM, John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com> wrote:
> I added the curves and moved the buttons to a new location... still
> not sure about the button location though
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:47 PM, John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just noticed another problem with the mockup, when you press
>> visualization button in said mockup the brows and visualization
>> buttons are hidden by the visualization.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Mats Taraldsvik
>> <mats.taraldsvik@broadpark.no> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>> Here are my two cents:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 00:24 +0100, John McHugh wrote:
>>>> Got bored, remembered discussion about the progress bar so created a
>>>> mockup of what rhythmbox would look like if the progress bar was
>>>> relocated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Looks good. I would perhaps have rounded corners. Perhaps (plugin / ui /
>>> additional ) buttons not related to play/pause/next etc. could be placed
>>> after or before the volume?
>>>
>>> Make another "module" below the progress bar(/module) with search/
>>> (all/artists/albums/titles)/toggle browser.
>>>
>>> Align "Library |>" and the "treeview"/browser/track listing.
>>>
>>>> Other changes included a full frame around the album art(The frame
>>>> currently doesn't cover the top), and the categories integrate better
>>>> with the theme(right now they stay grey regardless of the theme).
>>>
>>> I like it :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As for the progress bar debate, I don't really know where I stand
>>>> because I can see problems with both ui's. The current one increases
>>>> screen real estate for the playback which increases precision at the
>>>> cost of loosing screen real estate for the library itself.
>>>>
>>>> Moving the progress bar into the toolbar would increase the screen
>>>> real estate for the music library at the cost of loosing precision.
>>>>
>>>> In the mockup I have completely removed the currently playing artist
>>>> info (song-artist-album). The reason I removed this was because I felt
>>>> it was wasting screen real estate when 2 out of 3 are already
>>>> displayed in the window decoration.
>>>> Currently the artist and song are displayed in the window decoration
>>>> but if the album was also displayed you could gain a considerable
>>>> amount of space in rhythmbox itself regardless of whether the progress
>>>> bar is moved or not.
>>>
>>> With my "module" / toolbar(s) solution, a button to toggle
>>> artist/album/etc could be added before or after "volume"-button.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The mockup can be viewed here -
>>>> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhythmboxmockup4ln0.png
>>>
>>>
>>> ( Despite being rubbish in GIMP, I could try to mock this idea, if that
>>> is necessary/ my explanation causes confution. )
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mats
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 12:03 -0400, Piotr Romanus wrote:
> First of all I want to say thank you to the development team. Great
> effort.
> 
> No to my questions: 
> 1. I have recently bought sansa e280 and installed rockbox version
> r18085-080717. I ripped quite several CDs to ogg format  - the music
> files on my disk have ogg extension. I copied these ogg files using
> rhythmbox to the player. I was really surprised to discover that all
> the
> files have mp3 extensions on my sansa player!  I suspect (after
> reading
> several posts here) that rhythmbox is doing the conversion. Is there
> any
> way to stop it (since I am using rockbox on my player I can play oggs
> directly).

Hi,

I guess you need to use .is_audio_player, see
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352956#c7 for details.


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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 06:42:01PM +0100, John McHugh wrote:
> forgot to add the link to the new mockup :D silly me
> 
> http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rhythmboxmockup5qx4.png
> 
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:41 PM, John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I added the curves and moved the buttons to a new location... still
> > not sure about the button location though

The curves you've added here would be entirely up to the gtk theme, if
anything.  Rhythmbox won't do them itself.


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> Other changes included a full frame around the album art(The frame
> currently doesn't cover the top)

The attached patch adds this frame to the album art, dunno which look
is better though :)

Christophe

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Jens Kolepka <jens@kolepka.de> wrote:
> The plugin to show the cover art is installed and works. But only one of
> my CD's downloads a picture. I'd like to know how i can add pictures to
> the internet server where the cover art is stored.
>
> Thanks Jens

The cover art is downloaded from Amazon - I think there is a setting
for which country (in your case, amazon.de should work better), and
should technically only be stored for 30 days (I think).  You can't
upload images to Amazon.
See also http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346852 (open)

What you can do, if you have the cover images, is copy them on your
hard drive to the folders where the music tracks are, and call them
cover.jpg or album.jpg (or something based on the album/track name).
This has got a lot more flexible recently:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414609 (fixed)

Peter
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Hello,

	How can I get Rhythmbox to play to a USB headset?

I'm running version 0.11.6 on fedora 9. I can configure gsteamer via the 
"Multimedia Systems Selector" to set the default output to "ALSA", 
device "USB Audio" and the "test" tone is heard in the headset. However, 
Rhythmbox always plays through the speakers.

I tried the PulseAudio Sound Server as well, but even the test tone on 
that plays through the speakers.

Any clues on how make this work?

Thanks,

	Andy


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In this latest mockup I experimented with finding a new location for
the search bar as to free up screen real estate. As a result the
progress bar is where it usually is.

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup6nz9.png
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El mar, 22-07-2008 a las 12:49 -0400, Charlotte Curtis escribió:
> 
> I'd love to hear any feedback you might have, thanks!

There seems to be some clashing between the ITM generated playlists and
songs in the RB queue. How I reproduced it:

- Put a song in the queue, 
- Grab a song to the ITM playlist item,
- The ITM song plays fine, and a second song is predicted and added to  
  the ITM playlist.
- The next ITM song starts playing and the song in the queue too, 
  simultaneously.

I only reproduced it once and unfortunately don't have time right now to
double check if it's reproducible always, but there you have it..

Regards,

Claudio

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beoba requested that I move the volume left of the slider so this is
the fixed mockup

http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup6al2.png

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:09 PM, John McHugh <tretle@gmail.com> wrote:
> In this latest mockup I experimented with finding a new location for
> the search bar as to free up screen real estate. As a result the
> progress bar is where it usually is.
>
> http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup6nz9.png
>
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I was wondering if anyone would be up to the task of creating a new widget.
GTK_Bottom doesn't seem to be the best way of displaying plugins like the
last rhythm.

There is a mockup of the widget created
here<http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup6yd7.png>

Maybe it could be called gtk_bottom_right. This would come in handy for
plugin writers to create a ui to interact with the currently playing track.
Another thing it would be handy for is playlists and mp3 players. Currently
in rhythmbox if you are dragging a music file over to the sources widget and
keep it hovered over a selection for a few seconds it opens up the
selection.
If this new widget were created the music on the mp3 player could be loaded
in it instead allowing you to see the tracks on the mp3 player while
flicking through your library to figure out what to put on it.
The same goes for playlists.

So you could use this widgets to preview content and interact with currently
playing tracks(lastrhythm).

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<div dir="ltr">I was wondering if anyone would be up to the task of creating a new widget. GTK_Bottom doesn&#39;t seem to be the best way of displaying plugins like the last rhythm.<br><br>There is a mockup of the widget created <a href="http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup6yd7.png">here</a><br>
<br>Maybe it could be called gtk_bottom_right. This would come in handy for plugin writers to create a ui to interact with the currently playing track. Another thing it would be handy for is playlists and mp3 players. Currently in rhythmbox if you are dragging a music file over to the sources widget and keep it hovered over a selection for a few seconds it opens up the selection.<br>
If this new widget were created the music on the mp3 player could be loaded in it instead allowing you to see the tracks on the mp3 player while flicking through your library to figure out what to put on it.<br>The same goes for playlists.<br>
<br>So you could use this widgets to preview content and interact with currently playing tracks(lastrhythm).<br> </div>

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I was wondering for awhile what will happen if Rhythmbox gains more views to
its functionality,  genre tag cloud, album art view(macslow's
sparkle<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardySparkle>)
etc. Will the tool bar become crowded with all the new buttons?
Then I thought why not future proof it. Right now visualizations could be
counted as a view right? So we have 3 views right now. No browser, Browser
and Visualizations. Why not use a drop box button so that when you click on
it you can choose between the three instead of the possibility of crowding
up the toolbar in the future.

The dropbox can be seen in this
mockup<http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup9nk6.png>.

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<div dir="ltr">I was wondering for awhile what will happen if Rhythmbox gains more views to its functionality,&nbsp; genre tag cloud, album art view(<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardySparkle">macslow&#39;s sparkle</a>) etc. Will the tool bar become crowded with all the new buttons? <br>
Then I thought why not future proof it. Right now visualizations could be counted as a view right? So we have 3 views right now. No browser, Browser and Visualizations. Why not use a drop box button so that when you click on it you can choose between the three instead of the possibility of crowding up the toolbar in the future.<br>
<br>The dropbox can be seen in this <a href="http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup9nk6.png">mockup</a> .<br></div>

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On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 12:48 -0500, Andy Howell wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 	How can I get Rhythmbox to play to a USB headset?
> 
> I'm running version 0.11.6 on fedora 9. I can configure gsteamer via the 
> "Multimedia Systems Selector" to set the default output to "ALSA", 
> device "USB Audio" and the "test" tone is heard in the headset. However, 
> Rhythmbox always plays through the speakers.

Reset the defaults in gstreamer-properties, and select the output in the
sound preferences (gnome-sound-properties).

> I tried the PulseAudio Sound Server as well, but even the test tone on 
> that plays through the speakers.

When using pulse, just launch pavucontrol (the PulseAudio Volume
Control, in Sound & Video), right-click on the Rhythmbox stream in the
second tab, and select which device you want it to output to.

> Any clues on how make this work?

Cheers

From AndyHowell@austin.rr.com  Sun Jul 27 00:52:12 2008
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Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 12:48 -0500, Andy Howell wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> 	How can I get Rhythmbox to play to a USB headset?
>>
>> I'm running version 0.11.6 on fedora 9. I can configure gsteamer via the 
>> "Multimedia Systems Selector" to set the default output to "ALSA", 
>> device "USB Audio" and the "test" tone is heard in the headset. However, 
>> Rhythmbox always plays through the speakers.
> 
> Reset the defaults in gstreamer-properties, and select the output in the
> sound preferences (gnome-sound-properties).

Bastien,

	I'm not sure what to set the defaults to in gstreamer-properties. I set
"Default Output: Plugin:" to PulseAudio Sound Server"

When I run gnome-sound-properties and on the "Devices" tab, set the
"Music and Movies" sound playback: USB Audio and hit the test button, I get:

sound-properties-Message: Error running pipeline 'audiotestsrc wave=sine
freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=music':
Could not open audio device for playback. [gstalsasink.c(697):
gst_alsasink_open (): /bin0/halaudiosink0/bin1/alsasink0:
Playback open error on device 'default:1': Invalid argument]


If I select the PulseAudio Sound Server for the "Music and Movies", then
I get a test tone to the speakers, even though the pavucontrol has "ALSA
PCM on front: 1 (USB Audio) via DMA" as the default output.

>> I tried the PulseAudio Sound Server as well, but even the test tone on 
>> that plays through the speakers.
> 
> When using pulse, just launch pavucontrol (the PulseAudio Volume
> Control, in Sound & Video), right-click on the Rhythmbox stream in the
> second tab, and select which device you want it to output to.

When I do that with the USB device, I get a Rhymthbox dialogue saying it
failed to open the device.

>> Any clues on how make this work?
> 
> Cheers
> 

Thanks for your help,

	Andy

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Greetings Everyone,

I've modified the Play Queue GUI to display the total play list time.
When there are no tracks queued, the default is displayed as it was
previously:

Play Queue

When there are tracks queued, rather than displaying something like
this...

Play Queue (8)

...it now displays...

Play Queue (8): 39 minutes, 28 seconds

I am receptive to criticism and I'd appreciate it if one of the
maintainers could look over my patch for consideration to apply against
svn head in trunk.

Thanks.

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:41:48PM -0700, Kip Warner wrote:
> Greetings Everyone,
> 
> I've modified the Play Queue GUI to display the total play list time.
> When there are no tracks queued, the default is displayed as it was
> previously:
> 
> Play Queue
> 
> When there are tracks queued, rather than displaying something like
> this...
> 
> Play Queue (8)
> 
> ...it now displays...
> 
> Play Queue (8): 39 minutes, 28 seconds
> 
> I am receptive to criticism and I'd appreciate it if one of the
> maintainers could look over my patch for consideration to apply against
> svn head in trunk.

Please attach patches to bugs in bugzilla.gnome.org; otherwise, they
tend to be forgotten.

While I'm here, a few comments:

> Index: sources/rb-play-queue-source.c
> ===================================================================
> --- sources/rb-play-queue-source.c	(revision 5821)
> +++ sources/rb-play-queue-source.c	(working copy)
> @@ -457,28 +457,89 @@
>  				   GtkTreeModel *model,
>  				   gint offset)
>  {
> -	gint count = gtk_tree_model_iter_n_children (model, NULL) + offset;
> -	RBPlayQueueSourcePrivate *priv = RB_PLAY_QUEUE_SOURCE_GET_PRIVATE (source);
> -	char *name = _("Play Queue");
> -	GtkAction *action;
>  
> -	/* update source name */
> -	if (count > 0)
> -		name = g_strdup_printf ("%s (%d)", name, count);
> +        gint count = gtk_tree_model_iter_n_children (model, NULL) + offset;
> +        RBPlayQueueSourcePrivate *priv = RB_PLAY_QUEUE_SOURCE_GET_PRIVATE (source);
> +        char *name = _("Play Queue");
> +        char *pszTemp = NULL;

We don't use hungarian notation..

> +        GtkAction *action;
>  
> -	g_object_set (G_OBJECT (source), "name", name, NULL);
> -	gtk_tree_view_column_set_title (priv->sidebar_column, name);
> +        // There are items available, update name to reflect this...

.. or c++-style comments.

> +        if (count > 0) {
>  
> -	if (count > 0)
> -		g_free (name);
> +            // Compute and format components of total duration needed later...
>  
> +                // Total duration...
> +                glong const lTotalDuration = 
> +                rhythmdb_query_model_get_duration(RHYTHMDB_QUERY_MODEL(model));

Most of the rest of the code from here on was more or less identical to
that in rhythmdb_compute_status_normal.  Rather than adding another
mostly-identical copy, it should be extracted out into a utility
function somewhere.

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On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Jens Kolepka <jens@kolepka.de> wrote:
> I couldn't configure the cover art plugin.

According to the FAQ, Rhythmbox uses a different version of Amazon
automatically depending on your locale (en_US, en_GB, de and jp).  So
I was wrong, there is no setting for this.

> copy the picture to the music-folder works fine.
> Thanks Jens

Good :)

Peter
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I try to build rhythmbox 0.11.6 from source and install it in my home-directory on a Ubuntu 8.04
machine.

After running the autogen-script with:


./autogen.sh --prefix=$HOME/gnome-svn/rhythmbox --disable-scrollkeeper --disable-fm-radio


the following 'make' completes successfully. But trying to install with 'make install' gives the
following error:


 /bin/bash ../../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  'libiradio.la'
'/home/alexander/gnome-svn/rhythmbox/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/iradio/libiradio.la'
libtool: install: error: cannot install `libiradio.la' to a directory not ending in
/usr/local/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/iradio


I tried to disable internet radio with the '--disable-fm-radio' option given to autogen.sh, but
obviously without success. Are there other possibilities to avoid the need for the specific file? Or
how else to work around this problem?

Thanks in advance

Alex

P.S. 'configure' invoked by 'autogen.sh' doesn't check for 'soup.h', so I ran into an error during
compilation saying that this header is missing. Is this worth a bug-report? Or should I forget about it?
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Hello,

2008/7/27 Alexander Senger <neutronenspalter@freenet.de>:
> I try to build rhythmbox 0.11.6 from source and install it in my home-directory on a Ubuntu 8.04
> machine.
>
> After running the autogen-script with:
>
>
> ./autogen.sh --prefix=$HOME/gnome-svn/rhythmbox --disable-scrollkeeper --disable-fm-radio


If you are using the source tarball, running configure should be
enough, autogen.sh is only needed when using svn. Is it working if you
don't pass the --disable-fm-radio flag ?

Christophe
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Christophe Fergeau schrieb:
> Hello,
> 
> 2008/7/27 Alexander Senger <neutronenspalter@freenet.de>:
>> I try to build rhythmbox 0.11.6 from source and install it in my home-directory on a Ubuntu 8.04
>> machine.
>>
>> After running the autogen-script with:
>>
>>
>> ./autogen.sh --prefix=$HOME/gnome-svn/rhythmbox --disable-scrollkeeper --disable-fm-radio
> 
> 
> If you are using the source tarball, running configure should be
> enough, autogen.sh is only needed when using svn. Is it working if you
> don't pass the --disable-fm-radio flag ?
> 
> Christophe
> 
> 

You are right, I got the source from the svn repository as advised on the Rhythmbox site on
live.gnome.org. Unfortunately I don't know where to get it else.

The --disable-fm-radio flag was only a quick try to avoid the iradio-library (I thought it might be
connected in one way or the other.). The installation fails also with this flag omitted.

As far as I figured it out by myself the whole business seems to be an issue with libtool having to
 install the libraries in a different directory than they were build (or so). I stumbled upon this
thread:

http://www.mail-archive.com/libtool@gnu.org/msg09027.html

Bad luck that gnu.org seems to be down at the moment as there are some related threads stored there
which could provide more insight.

To make a long story short: If you could point me where to get the source tarball, I would happily
live with doing it the old fashioned way.


Thanks

Alex
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> You are right, I got the source from the svn repository as advised on the Rhythmbox site on
> live.gnome.org. Unfortunately I don't know where to get it else.

It can be found here : http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/0.11/

Hope that helps,

Christophe
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Christophe Fergeau schrieb:
>> You are right, I got the source from the svn repository as advised on the Rhythmbox site on
>> live.gnome.org. Unfortunately I don't know where to get it else.
> 
> It can be found here : http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/0.11/
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> Hope that helps,
> 
> Christophe
> 
> 

Ok, that builds and plays nicely. Thank you very much.

Alex
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On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 12:00 +0000, Jonathan Matthew
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> Please attach patches to bugs in bugzilla.gnome.org; otherwise, they
> tend to be forgotten.

Understood. Posted to...
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D545039

> We don't use hungarian notation..

Fixed. Old habits die hard.

> .. or c++-style comments.

Fixed. Thanks.

> Most of the rest of the code from here on was more or less identical
> to
> that in rhythmdb_compute_status_normal.  Rather than adding another
> mostly-identical copy, it should be extracted out into a utility
> function somewhere.

Sort of. There are some subtle differences in the generated string since
it needs to be slightly more compact, given where it is displayed. It
also needed some different hints for gettext. Nevertheless, I figured
the code may be re-used again so I put it in its own routine as you
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote:

> I've modified the Play Queue GUI to display the total play list time.
> When there are no tracks queued, the default is displayed as it was
> previously:
>
> Play Queue
>
> When there are tracks queued, rather than displaying something like
> this...
>
> Play Queue (8)
>
> ...it now displays...
>
> Play Queue (8): 39 minutes, 28 seconds


Maybe Jonathan agrees with the nature of this patch by replying, but I don't
really see the point. No playlists show the time in the sidebar, and the
Statusbar already shows "8 songs, 39 minutes, XX MB". Making the Play Queue
text wider wouldn't be worthwhile in my opinion, but I could see use in
making it two lines, e.g.
Play Queue
8 songs, 39 minutes

But I suspect that's a bigger deal than just this patch.

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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Kip Warner <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kip@thevertigo.com">kip@thevertigo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I&#39;ve modified the Play Queue GUI to display the total play list time.<br>
When there are no tracks queued, the default is displayed as it was<br>
previously:<br>
<br>
Play Queue<br>
<br>
When there are tracks queued, rather than displaying something like<br>
this...<br>
<br>
Play Queue (8)<br>
<br>
...it now displays...<br>
<br>
Play Queue (8): 39 minutes, 28 seconds</blockquote><div><br>Maybe Jonathan agrees with the nature of this patch by replying, but I don&#39;t really see the point. No playlists show the time in the sidebar, and the Statusbar already shows &quot;8 songs, 39 minutes, XX MB&quot;. Making the Play Queue text wider wouldn&#39;t be worthwhile in my opinion, but I could see use in making it two lines, e.g.<br>
<font size="2">Play Queue</font><br><font style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" size="1">8 songs, 39 minutes</font><br><br>But I suspect that&#39;s a bigger deal than just this patch.<br></div></div></div>

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Or maybe a mouse gesture?  Adding the middle button shouldn't be too
hard to do.  Could be done as a plugin I imagine.

sri

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> Hello,
> 
> I think it would be a nice little feature if a middle-click (i.e. scroll 
> wheel click) on a track immediately queued that track.
> 
> 
> Regards,
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I'd be keen to give it a go.  I am a noob to coding but i'd like to learn. 
I've looked at the plugin writing guide and a few python plugins and 
used dir() a fair bit, but i dont really understand how i would connect 
to click events in the library view.

Here's my guess at how the plugin would look(?):

import rb

class EasyQueuePlugin (rb.Plugin):
    def __init__(self):
        rb.Plugin.__init__(self)

    def activate(self, shell):
        self.shell = shell
       #shell.props.library_source.connect("some signal" onclick)

    def deactivate(self, shell):
        del self.shell

    def onclick(self, *args):
       #if is middle-click event,
           #get middle clicked entry uri
            #shell.add_to_queue("entry uri")
      

Anyways, I'll keep trawling the net.  Thanks in advance for any advice 
or directions to look.

Regards,
Matthew


Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> Or maybe a mouse gesture?  Adding the middle button shouldn't be too
> hard to do.  Could be done as a plugin I imagine.
>
> sri
>
> On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 00:14 +1200, Matthew McGowan wrote:
>   
>> Hello,
>>
>> I think it would be a nice little feature if a middle-click (i.e. scroll 
>> wheel click) on a track immediately queued that track.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matt
>> _______________________________________________
>> rhythmbox-devel mailing list
>> rhythmbox-devel@gnome.org
>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/rhythmbox-devel
>>     

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On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 23:33 +0000, rhythmbox-devel-request@gnome.org
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> Maybe Jonathan agrees with the nature of this patch by replying, but I
> don't
> really see the point. No playlists show the time in the sidebar, and
> the
> Statusbar already shows "8 songs, 39 minutes, XX MB".=20

Only if the Play Queue is unset as the side pane.

> Making the Play Queue
> text wider wouldn't be worthwhile in my opinion, but I could see use
> in
> making it two lines, e.g.
> Play Queue
> 8 songs, 39 minutes
>=20
> But I suspect that's a bigger deal than just this patch.

Definitely bigger. I don't really know enough GTK+ to do that yet. glib
and GObject stuff are not for the faint of heart like me =3D)

Thanks for your feedback though.

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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 23:33 +0000, rhythmbox-devel-request@gnome.org
> wrote:
> > Maybe Jonathan agrees with the nature of this patch by replying, but I
> > don't
> > really see the point. No playlists show the time in the sidebar, and
> > the
> > Statusbar already shows "8 songs, 39 minutes, XX MB".
>
> Only if the Play Queue is unset as the side pane.


Ah, of course, sorry for misunderstanding. :)

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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Kip Warner <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kip@thevertigo.com">kip@thevertigo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 23:33 +0000, <a href="mailto:rhythmbox-devel-request@gnome.org">rhythmbox-devel-request@gnome.org</a><br>
wrote:<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">&gt; Maybe Jonathan agrees with the nature of this patch by replying, but I<br>
&gt; don&#39;t<br>
&gt; really see the point. No playlists show the time in the sidebar, and<br>
&gt; the<br>
&gt; Statusbar already shows &quot;8 songs, 39 minutes, XX MB&quot;.<br>
<br>
</div>Only if the Play Queue is unset as the side pane.</blockquote><div><br>Ah, of course, sorry for misunderstanding. :)<br></div></div></div>

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On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 20:18 +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote:

> 
> I guess you need to use .is_audio_player, see
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352956#c7 for details.
> 

I have finally get some time over the weekend to try it and it works as
expected. Thanks.

There is still my second question though:
2. Second question: When ripping cds, is there any way to force
rhythmbox to avoid creating files with special characters in their
names?

Anybody?

Piotr


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Hi,

Piotr Romanus wrote:
> There is still my second question though:
> 2. Second question: When ripping cds, is there any way to force
> rhythmbox to avoid creating files with special characters in their
> names?

I'm not quite sure whether the setting takes place when ripping and
which special characters it replaces, but you could have a look at the
gconf key /apps/rhythmbox/library_strip_chars.

Regards,
Mika
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On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 17:03 +0300, Mika P Wahlroos wrote:
> I'm not quite sure whether the setting takes place when ripping and
> which special characters it replaces, but you could have a look at the
> gconf key /apps/rhythmbox/library_strip_chars.

I don't have this key in my gconf (used gconf-editor to find it) - I
must be running a different version of rhythmbox. My version is 0.11.5.
Are you running something newer?

Piotr


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On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:09 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> 2008/7/22 Ender <ender27182818@gmail.com>:
> > I've hacked together a quick-and-dirty plugin for RB that outputs the
> > current song to the Logitech G15 LCD display. You can see what I'm
> > talking about at
> > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=us,en
> 
> 
> Seems great! (even though I don't own such a keyboard ;)

I have an MX5000 keyboard with a similar (but crappier) LCD display. It
would be nice if it used D-Bus and supported more than just one type of
keyboard (see the mx5000tools on the bluez mailing-list).

> > A tarball is attached with the current version. Installation is just
> > like any other plugin, put it in one of the RB plugin directories and it
> > should work just fine. No configuration options (yet). Any suggestions
> > would be welcome.
> 
> Feel free to list your plugin on
> http://live.gnome.org/RhythmboxPlugins/ThirdParty
> Do you have some webspace where you can host your plugin or do you
> need someone to host it for you ?

It's so small, you could even attach it to the Wiki directly.

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On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 11:50 -0400, Piotr Romanus wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 17:03 +0300, Mika P Wahlroos wrote:
> > I'm not quite sure whether the setting takes place when ripping and
> > which special characters it replaces, but you could have a look at the
> > gconf key /apps/rhythmbox/library_strip_chars.
>=20
> I don't have this key in my gconf (used gconf-editor to find it) - I
> must be running a different version of rhythmbox. My version is 0.11.5.
> Are you running something newer?

Hi again,

If my understanding of this bug report is correct, the functionality
should be available, but it wasn't added to the schemas file until
0.11.6
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D535313

In other words, you should be able to create the key manually in
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It WOULD be nice if it used DBus - however, to my knowledge there isn't
any utilities written for the G15 keyboard that use anything but a fifo
pipe to write to the display. Writing such a thing is way beyond the
scope of what I can do. If you know of such a utility, I could look into
it though.

Also, yes, it is very small. And very, very imperfect. Mine currently
prevents RB from starting if my pipe isn't set up correctly.

-Ender

On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:44 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:09 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> > 2008/7/22 Ender <ender27182818@gmail.com>:
> > > I've hacked together a quick-and-dirty plugin for RB that outputs the
> > > current song to the Logitech G15 LCD display. You can see what I'm
> > > talking about at
> > > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=us,en
> > 
> > 
> > Seems great! (even though I don't own such a keyboard ;)
> 
> I have an MX5000 keyboard with a similar (but crappier) LCD display. It
> would be nice if it used D-Bus and supported more than just one type of
> keyboard (see the mx5000tools on the bluez mailing-list).
> 
> > > A tarball is attached with the current version. Installation is just
> > > like any other plugin, put it in one of the RB plugin directories and it
> > > should work just fine. No configuration options (yet). Any suggestions
> > > would be welcome.
> > 
> > Feel free to list your plugin on
> > http://live.gnome.org/RhythmboxPlugins/ThirdParty
> > Do you have some webspace where you can host your plugin or do you
> > need someone to host it for you ?
> 
> It's so small, you could even attach it to the Wiki directly.
> 

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On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 13:26 -0600, Ender wrote:
> It WOULD be nice if it used DBus - however, to my knowledge there isn't
> any utilities written for the G15 keyboard that use anything but a fifo
> pipe to write to the display. Writing such a thing is way beyond the
> scope of what I can do. If you know of such a utility, I could look into
> it though.

Actually, it was more supposed to be a nudge for you to push upstream to
do that...

> Also, yes, it is very small. And very, very imperfect. Mine currently
> prevents RB from starting if my pipe isn't set up correctly.

FIFOs sucks if there's nothing to read. D-Bus would indeed fix that
problem.

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Hi all, few days ago i found an usefull script for rhythmbox which aim
is to try to sync your library with the ratings, playcounts and other
things done with the ipod.
Well i tryied it and nothing seems to happen; so i opened again
rhythmbox in debug mode, and i get an error from the plugin: cannot
find ipod device.
Well i would like to know if is there a way to check wheter rhythmbox
looks at my ipod as a removable media, or as an ipod itself; in that
way i can discover the error origin. Is there something for thge
python console to discover if the ipod is well recognised or something
similar?
Thanks in advance
M@

ps. the integration of this plugin inside rhythmbox should be fine anyway!
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Our team at  Simplify Media (www.simplifymedia.com<http://www.simplifymedia=
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To make Rhythmbox working for us we needed to change the DAAP plugin.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Our team at &nbsp;Simplify Media (<a
href=3D"http://www.simplifymedia.com">www.simplifymedia.com</a>) has been w=
orking
on Linux port recently.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>To make Rhythmbox working for us we needed to change t=
he
DAAP plugin.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I'm sending the resulting patch. Some of the changes a=
re specific
to us, but there are generic pieces too.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>--Yavor<o:p></o:p></p>

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Hi,

I've just committed a moderately sized patch that replaces gnome-vfs
with GIO in Rhythmbox: 

112 files changed, 3392 insertions(+), 7435 deletions(-)

This drops support for various old versions of various dependencies
(libsoup 2.2, howl, ..) and means we require glib 2.16 and gstreamer
0.10.12; if you want to build rhythmbox from svn on a distribution more
than six months old, you're sadly out of luck.

Now the good news: lots of code is a bit more sensible, file and volume
monitoring works better, podcast downloads can be resumed now, and with
my confirmation bias goggles firmly in place, things seem to be a bit
faster too.

Not everything has been thoroughly tested, though.  There's some
preliminary support for mounting drives and network shares as required.
I haven't really tested network shares (sftp or smb) at all.  The basics
all work, as far as I can tell.

If you're going to test this and help us track down the bugs that have
no doubt been introduced, please take a backup of your database
(~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmdb.xml) first - older versions will not read
database files written by gio-enabled rhythmboxes.

enjoy,
-jonathan
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Hi,

Great to see this land ;)

2008/7/29 Jonathan Matthew <notverysmart@gmail.com>:
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> If you're going to test this and help us track down the bugs that have
> no doubt been introduced, please take a backup of your database
> (~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmdb.xml) first - older versions will not read
> database files written by gio-enabled rhythmboxes.

Compilation fails if libsoup 2.4 headers aren't installed in
lib/rb-proxy-config.c (which uses SoupURI). Do we want to make libsoup
mandatory ? Or should that file be fixed to compile when libsoup isn't
present ?

Christophe
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Are there any *obvious* differences that we should be seeing after 
applying this patch?  Should we run in --debug mode just for fun and see 
what turns up?

John Daiker


Jonathan Matthew wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just committed a moderately sized patch that replaces gnome-vfs
> with GIO in Rhythmbox: 
>
> 112 files changed, 3392 insertions(+), 7435 deletions(-)
>
> This drops support for various old versions of various dependencies
> (libsoup 2.2, howl, ..) and means we require glib 2.16 and gstreamer
> 0.10.12; if you want to build rhythmbox from svn on a distribution more
> than six months old, you're sadly out of luck.
>
> Now the good news: lots of code is a bit more sensible, file and volume
> monitoring works better, podcast downloads can be resumed now, and with
> my confirmation bias goggles firmly in place, things seem to be a bit
> faster too.
>
> Not everything has been thoroughly tested, though.  There's some
> preliminary support for mounting drives and network shares as required.
> I haven't really tested network shares (sftp or smb) at all.  The basics
> all work, as far as I can tell.
>
> If you're going to test this and help us track down the bugs that have
> no doubt been introduced, please take a backup of your database
> (~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmdb.xml) first - older versions will not read
> database files written by gio-enabled rhythmboxes.
>
> enjoy,
> -jonathan
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Hi,


> To make Rhythmbox working for us we needed to change the DAAP plugin.

Thanks for the patch! :) It would be much better if you could open a
bug on bugzilla.gnome.org with that patch attached so that it doesn't
get lost. Explaining what the patch does would be really helpful as
well.
And cleaning it to remove the simplifymedia specific bits would be
even better :)

Cheers, thanks again,

Christophe
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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 04:31:36PM +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Great to see this land ;)
> 
> 2008/7/29 Jonathan Matthew <notverysmart@gmail.com>:
> >
> > If you're going to test this and help us track down the bugs that have
> > no doubt been introduced, please take a backup of your database
> > (~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmdb.xml) first - older versions will not read
> > database files written by gio-enabled rhythmboxes.
> 
> Compilation fails if libsoup 2.4 headers aren't installed in
> lib/rb-proxy-config.c (which uses SoupURI). Do we want to make libsoup
> mandatory ? Or should that file be fixed to compile when libsoup isn't
> present ?

I've fixed the compile error now.  There isn't much effort involved in
keeping it optional, so I'm happy for it to stay that way, but maybe
./configure should fail if libsoup is not found unless
'--without-libsoup' is specified?

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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:53:24AM -0700, John Daiker wrote:
> Are there any *obvious* differences that we should be seeing after  
> applying this patch?  Should we run in --debug mode just for fun and see  
> what turns up?

There shouldn't be any visible differences.  Running with --debug is
probably overkill; just keep your eyes open.  Trying out things you
don't normally use is also helpful.

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Subject: [Rhythmbox-devel]  Ipod Sync plugin
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Hi all, few days ago i found an usefull script for rhythmbox which aim
is to try to sync your library with the ratings, playcounts and other
things done with the ipod.
Well i tryied it and nothing seems to happen; so i opened again
rhythmbox in debug mode, and i get an error from the plugin: cannot
find ipod device.
Well i would like to know if is there a way to check wheter rhythmbox
looks at my ipod as a removable media, or as an ipod itself; in that
way i can discover the error origin. Is there something for thge
python console to discover if the ipod is well recognised or something
similar?
Thanks in advance
M@

ps. the integration of this plugin inside rhythmbox should be fine anyway!
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Hello,

2008/7/30 Matteo Landi <landimatte@gmail.com>:
> Well i tryied it and nothing seems to happen; so i opened again
> rhythmbox in debug mode, and i get an error from the plugin: cannot
> find ipod device.
> Well i would like to know if is there a way to check wheter rhythmbox
> looks at my ipod as a removable media, or as an ipod itself; in that
> way i can discover the error origin.

I don't think that plugin uses rhythmbox to find about the iPod, it
probably implements its own ipod detection mechanism and there's
probably a problem with that code in the plugin

Cheers,

Christophe
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Christophe Fergeau <cfergeau@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> 2008/7/30 Matteo Landi <landimatte@gmail.com>:
>> Well i tryied it and nothing seems to happen; so i opened again
>> rhythmbox in debug mode, and i get an error from the plugin: cannot
>> find ipod device.
>> Well i would like to know if is there a way to check wheter rhythmbox
>> looks at my ipod as a removable media, or as an ipod itself; in that
>> way i can discover the error origin.
>
> I don't think that plugin uses rhythmbox to find about the iPod, it
> probably implements its own ipod detection mechanism and there's
> probably a problem with that code in the plugin

Well, and what about a way for check wheter rhythmbox recognize my
ipod in the right way or not?
Thanks for the answer
M@

> Cheers,
>
> Christophe
>
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> Well, and what about a way for check wheter rhythmbox recognize my
> ipod in the right way or not?

You can disable the ipod plugin and restart rhyhmbox and watch the
ipod name/icon in the source pane.I think it's different when it's set
by the ipod plugin and by the generic media player plugin

Christophe
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At 8:15p -0400 on Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 12:48 -0500, Andy Howell wrote:
>> I tried the PulseAudio Sound Server as well, but even the test tone on 
>> that plays through the speakers.
> 
> When using pulse, just launch pavucontrol (the PulseAudio Volume
> Control, in Sound & Video), right-click on the Rhythmbox stream in the
> second tab, and select which device you want it to output to.

The only hiccup to this that I have found is that the PulseAudio server
will occasionally die (in Ubuntu Hardy).  It's okay though, just run
'pulseaudio' (the PulseAudio sound server) and it'll fix itself.

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At 8:23p -0400 on Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Charlotte Curtis wrote:
> Another thing I should mention is that it only analyzes the middle 30
> seconds of the song.  This was done to reduce the amount of time
> required for analysis, but it is possible that it could pick up on a
> segment that is actually quite distinct from the rest of the song.
> I'm not sure how this could be improved while maintaining a tolerable
> analysis time.

Is analysis something that you could put in a thread?  Then you could
make it low-priority, do it in chunks (so you could start again if it
was stopped), put it in the background, analyze the whole song, and
generally have it be something that didn't freeze the UI while allowing
the user do other things while computation is ongoing.

Take with salt, please, as I know not of what I speak; I don't know the
RB internals at all (yet).

Kevin
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From: Sriram Ramkrishna <sri@aracnet.com>
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Yavor,

It's great to see vendors using Rhythmbox.  Thank you. :-)

sri

On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 20:20 -0400, Yavor Goulishev wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Our team at  Simplify Media (www.simplifymedia.com) has been working
> on Linux port recently.
> 
> To make Rhythmbox working for us we needed to change the DAAP plugin.
> 
> I'm sending the resulting patch. Some of the changes are specific to
> us, but there are generic pieces too.
> 
>  
> 
> --Yavor
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