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Clean G-rated and FUN! http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Eomerset3009f=2Ehome=2Ero=2Fcert=2Ejpg From emkamau@afrocenter.com Mon Apr 1 12:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EEF9180DE for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16392 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 17:15:19 -0000 Received: from uranus.hosting4u.net (HELO afrocenter.com) (209.15.2.18) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 17:15:19 -0000 Received: from 168-215-119-7.gen.twtelecom.net ([168.215.119.7]) by afrocenter.com ; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:15:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Database creator for .po and .pot files From: Edward Mbugua Kamau To: Filipe Maia Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020330004132.350a55f6.fmaia@gmx.net> References: <20020329000956.18411e9a.fmaia@gmx.net> <20020329011341.30863166.fmaia@gmx.net> <20020330004132.350a55f6.fmaia@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-JzZ32dFuW28p3V9e6tQ7" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Apr 2002 11:15:55 -0600 Message-Id: <1017681358.2157.4.camel@mythinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-JzZ32dFuW28p3V9e6tQ7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Filipe, Let me check it out now. 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Cheers, GÖrkem From dxn1972@hotmail.com Wed Apr 3 15:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f203.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.203]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3205718CE3 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:40:52 -0800 Received: from 205.173.58.12 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 20:40:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.173.58.12] From: "Dinesh Nadarajah" To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Gnome 2 and font settings Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:40:51 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 20:40:52.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8556920:01C1DB4F] Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi: After much struggle, I've finally been able to setup a Gnome 2 (Beta 3 system). Is there any info/doc on how to setup fonts for Gnome2? I setup the usual way (using xfs), but Gnome2 does not pickitup. I am using GDK_USE_XFT=1 setting. So I ran xftcache, and this time the fonts got listed on the font selection dialog box, but when I select the font, it does not use it. But if I change to any og the other fonts on the list, the font changes systemwide. Also, are there any GUI tools (part of configuration) to install fonts in the Gnome2 environment? Thanks. -D _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From simos74@gmx.net Thu Apr 4 08:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from rhbnc.lmn.net.uk (unknown [194.83.101.194]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C55E718A13 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from no.name.available by rhbnc.lmn.net.uk via smtpd (for moniker.gnome.org [209.116.70.73]) with SMTP; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:14:29 -0800 Received: (from user@localhost) by pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g34D7vq18613; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:07:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk: user set sender to simos74@gmx.net using -f Subject: Foreigndesk, Open-Source(d) Computer Aided Translation From: Simos Xenitellis To: GNOME I18n Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3.99 Date: 04 Apr 2002 14:07:57 +0100 Message-Id: <1017925677.18407.46.camel@pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dear All, (I am not affiliated with the company, I just summarise to the list. I also add personal comments.) Lionbridge is one of the companies that makes Computer Aided Translation (CAT) products. There are many such companies and the market of CAT is supposed to be a big one. In November ForeignDesk, one of the products of LionBridge was made open-source and moved to SourceForge for further development. The URL is: http://foreigndesk.sourceforge.net This week there has been an updated press release since the program got 10000 downloads from SourceForge. It was mentioned in LWN as well. http://lwn.net/bigpage.php3 (search for "ForeignDesk", before Thursday) http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-02-2002/0001698150&EDATE= http://www.lionbridge.com/technology/p/782/l/1/content.html What is included in ForeignDesk are (check press release for full description): a) An integrated translation environment (translation memory, terminology management, context viewing and translation support) b) "DDL Workshop", which "allows users to add native support for new file formats". I assume it can be used to translate SGML/XML documentation files? c) A terminology management application. d) A project assistant. e) An application to package a translation project in order to send to someone else. There is one glitch for the moment. It only runs on Win32. I am not sure if someone can use Wine or easily port to wxWindows. Assuming it works ok, perhaps a GTK+ port might be good. I do not have experience yet with such CAT and I found it rather difficult to use. Perhaps someone more exprerienced can give a more thorough analysis? Simos From karunakar@freedomink.org Thu Apr 4 11:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from birch.phpwebhosting.com (birch.phpwebhosting.com [64.29.16.110]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 413581818B for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10142 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 16:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO comp10) (202.56.237.115) by birch.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 16:49:15 -0000 Message-ID: <004801bfa30d$c6932e60$1d00a8c0@bsnl.com> From: "Karunakar" To: "Dinesh Nadarajah" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Gnome 2 and font settings Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:17:55 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ----- Original Message ----- From: Dinesh Nadarajah To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:10 AM Subject: Gnome 2 and font settings > Hi: > > After much struggle, I've finally been able to setup a Gnome 2 (Beta 3 > system). Is there any info/doc on how to setup fonts for Gnome2? I setup the > usual way (using xfs), but Gnome2 does not pickitup. I am using > GDK_USE_XFT=1 setting. So I ran xftcache, and this time the fonts got listed > on the font selection dialog box, but when I select the font, it does not > use it. But if I change to any og the other fonts on the list, the font > changes systemwide. > > Also, are there any GUI tools (part of configuration) to install fonts in > the Gnome2 environment? Have you added the font path in /etc/X11/XftConfig ? Xft backend uses this config file. This thread on gtk-i18n list answers ur query http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-i18n-list/2001-February/msg00017.html Regards, Karunakar From jmas@softcatala.org Thu Apr 4 13:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from www.piulats.com (piulats.com [64.45.60.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F173C180D7 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from softcatala.org (193-BAR2-X50.libre.retevision.es [62.82.146.193]) (authenticated) by rebost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g34J5J214290 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:05:29 +0200 Message-ID: <3CACA1E8.876D5892@softcatala.org> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 20:56:40 +0200 From: Jordi Mas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [ca] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ca,es,de,en,ga MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: New files translated, we should I upload them? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi guys, We have translated some files into Catalan that we not translated until now. Should I get written access to the CVS tree to upload them or should I send them to someone? Thanks a lot, Jordi, From bayazidi@arabeyes.org Thu Apr 4 14:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from accessme.com.jo (unknown [217.23.32.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEDB18570 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([217.23.33.62]) by accessme.com.jo (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14031; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:22:28 GMT Message-Id: <200204041922.TAA14031@accessme.com.jo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: Isam Bayazidi To: Szabolcs Ban Subject: Arabic Keyboard in Gnome2 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:19:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, doc@arabeyes.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi there .. I am working with the Arabeyes team ( www.arabeyes.org) in the translation of Gnome2 to Arabic language... and one of the things I have to insure is the existence of the Arabic keyboard in Gnome 2 .. Today I compiled my first Gnome2 ever .. and it seems that the Arabic keyboard is missing from it .. it is present in the xkb as the symbol "ar" .. can you please tell me what is the needed steps to get Gnome2 have the Arabic keyboard layout defined ? Note that the written Arabic is the same ( 100% the same) in 24+ countries .. so adding a layout for every country will be more or less like aliasing .. and I got the flags and locale for all the Arab countries as well . I will be waiting for a reply from you .. hoping to be able to get the Arabic keyboard layout with Gnome2, and I hope that it is not too late ( as the i18n will not have a real meaning for the Arabs if there is no Arabic keyboard) .. Thank you .. -- Yours, Isam Bayazidi Amman - Jordan ==================================================== Think Linux + Think Arabic = Think www.arabeyes.org ==================================================== From kmaraas@online.no Fri Apr 5 07:35:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no (unknown [193.147.162.124]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA75182DB for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kmaraas@localhost) by hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g35IVs401594 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:31:54 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no: kmaraas set sender to kmaraas@online.no using -f Subject: Re: New files translated, we should I upload them? From: Kjartan Maraas To: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <3CACA1E8.876D5892@softcatala.org> References: <3CACA1E8.876D5892@softcatala.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1018017237.1455.1.camel@hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Apr 2002 20:31:53 +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: tor, 2002-04-04 kl. 20:56 skrev Jordi Mas: > Hi guys, > > We have translated some files into Catalan that we not translated until now. > Should I get written access to the CVS tree to upload them or should > I send them to someone? > You can send the files to me and I'll commit them to CVS. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1DCCF.6F7F4FC0-- From pablo@mandrakesoft.com Sat Apr 6 08:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from chanae.alphanet.ch (212-100-178-141.adsl.easynet.be [212.100.178.141]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AB2180DA for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from srtxg@localhost) by chanae.alphanet.ch (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA09639 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:13:01 +0200 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:13:01 +0200 From: Pablo Saratxaga To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: Arabic Keyboard in Gnome2 Message-ID: <20020406151301.B8805@chanae.alphanet.ch> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org References: <200204041922.TAA14031@accessme.com.jo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0us In-Reply-To: <200204041922.TAA14031@accessme.com.jo>; from bayazidi@arabeyes.org on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 10:19:00PM -0500 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Kaixo! On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 10:19:00PM -0500, Isam Bayazidi wrote: > Today I compiled my first Gnome2 ever .. and it seems that the Arabic > keyboard is missing from it .. it is present in the xkb as the symbol "ar" .. > can you please tell me what is the needed steps to get Gnome2 have the Arabic > keyboard layout defined ? Just load it. ("setxkbmap ar" in the command line); or make it the default keyboard by enabling it in the X11 config file. There is no need for Gnome to handle it, leaving the keyboard handling to XFree86 is easier, and works fine. Maybe you would need to set the locale to an UTF-8 one before (I don't know if Gnome 2 (or, more exactly, GTk2) uses the new locale independent Xutf8LookupString() function or not) -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.srtxg.easynet.be/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975 From bayazidi@arabeyes.org Sat Apr 6 08:24:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from accessme.com.jo (unknown [217.23.32.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6343B184F9 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([217.23.33.109]) by accessme.com.jo (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04187; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:25:50 GMT Message-Id: <200204061325.NAA04187@accessme.com.jo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: Isam Bayazidi To: Pablo Saratxaga , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: Arabic Keyboard in Gnome2 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:22:53 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200204041922.TAA14031@accessme.com.jo> <20020406151301.B8805@chanae.alphanet.ch> In-Reply-To: <20020406151301.B8805@chanae.alphanet.ch> Cc: Szabolcs Ban MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Saturday 06 April 2002 08:13 am, Pablo Saratxaga wrote: > Just load it. ("setxkbmap ar" in the command line); or make it the default > keyboard by enabling it in the X11 config file. > > There is no need for Gnome to handle it, leaving the keyboard handling to > XFree86 is easier, and works fine. > > Maybe you would need to set the locale to an UTF-8 one before (I don't know > if Gnome 2 (or, more exactly, GTk2) uses the new locale independent > Xutf8LookupString() function or not) Well I know there is the gkb applet that handles the Keyboard switching .. and what I am seeking here is not a solution for me :-) I am working in the Arabization project .. and I want using the arabic keyboard to be as easy as use the frensh Keyboard :-) see what I am after ? So I hope that the gkb applet maintainer would help me in making it possible to switch keyboard layout to Arabic .. I guess that Using the kxkb for that is not something that anyone would like .. including me .. -- Yours, Isam Bayazidi Amman - Jordan ==================================================== Think Linux + Think Arabic = Think www.arabeyes.org ==================================================== From kmaraas@online.no Sat Apr 6 10:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no (unknown [193.147.162.124]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4207181E0 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kmaraas@localhost) by hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g36FPFG10542 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:25:15 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no: kmaraas set sender to kmaraas@online.no using -f Subject: New release of control-center From: Kjartan Maraas To: GNOME i18n list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 06 Apr 2002 17:25:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1018106715.1359.7.camel@hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm about to do a new release of control-center from the -1-0 branch. The interesting thing about this release is that it removes the screensaver capplet and introduces a new capplet called default-applications that replaces the gnome-editor capplet. This of course introduces new strings and those will need to be translated. Please do this as quickly as possible. Cheers Kjartan From kmaraas@online.no Sat Apr 6 10:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no (unknown [193.147.162.124]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197A2181E0 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kmaraas@localhost) by hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g36FPOi10546 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:25:24 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no: kmaraas set sender to kmaraas@online.no using -f Subject: New release of control-center From: Kjartan Maraas To: GNOME i18n list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1018109846.1361.5.camel@hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 06 Apr 2002 17:25:24 +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm about to do a new release of control-center from the -1-0 branch. The interesting thing about this release is that it removes the screensaver capplet and introduces a new capplet called default-applications that replaces the gnome-editor capplet. This of course introduces new strings and those will need to be translated. Please do this as quickly as possible. Cheers Kjartan From cyba@ender.gnome.pl Sat Apr 6 11:55:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from ender.gnome.pl (ip242.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl [156.17.237.242]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD663180FD for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cyba by ender.gnome.pl with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16ttZH-0005ic-00; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 19:01:35 +0200 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:01:35 +0200 From: Zbigniew Chyla To: Kjartan Maraas Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: New release of control-center Message-ID: <20020406170135.GA21854@ender.gnome.pl> References: <1018109846.1361.5.camel@hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1018109846.1361.5.camel@hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:25:24, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > (...) > Please do this as quickly as possible. What does "as quickly as possible" mean? I hope that you haven't joined the bad guys who send emails to gnome-i18n few hours before making a release (or just ignore us completely) :-) Zbigniew From menthos@menthos.com Sun Apr 7 17:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from piraten (piraten.student.lu.se [130.235.208.46]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DAC180DF for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by piraten.student.lu.se (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 1 (built Nov 13 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GU700CJSWLS1X@piraten.student.lu.se> for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 23:49:04 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 23:49:04 +0200 From: Christian Rose Subject: [Fwd: Gimp-print translation] To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Message-id: <1018216144.10422.5.camel@daim.menthos.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1f7CfFu7BEzube+6X4OtNg)" Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --Boundary_(ID_1f7CfFu7BEzube+6X4OtNg) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The gimp-print maintainer would appreciate updated translations. :) Christian (back from Guadec) --Boundary_(ID_1f7CfFu7BEzube+6X4OtNg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Vidarebefordrat meddelande - Gimp-print translation Return-path: Received: from mail-relay.df.lth.se (mail-relay.df.lth.se [194.47.250.14]) by menthos.menthos.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g36KJ9232442 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 22:19:09 +0200 Received: from mail17.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by mail-relay.df.lth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32411 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 22:19:08 +0200 Received: (qmail 13883 invoked from network); Sat, 06 Apr 2002 20:19:05 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) ([66.92.65.9]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 20:19:05 +0000 Received: (from rlk@localhost) by dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g36KLxH22743; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 15:21:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 15:21:59 -0500 From: Robert L Krawitz Subject: Gimp-print translation To: menthos@menthos.com Message-id: <200204062021.g36KLxH22743@dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-SpamBouncer: 1.4 (10/07/01) X-SBPass: No Freemail Filtering X-SBClass: OK X-Folder: Bulk Status: Here are the current statistics. Can you push on the maintainers to update the translations? file=./`echo en_GB | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 573 translated messages. file=./`echo sv | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 573 translated messages. file=./`echo no | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 386 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 186 untranslated messages. file=./`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 414 translated messages, 26 fuzzy translations, 133 untranslated messages. file=./`echo da | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 142 translated messages, 5 fuzzy translations, 426 untranslated messages. file=./`echo pl | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 273 translated messages, 3 fuzzy translations, 297 untranslated messages. file=./`echo sk | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 536 translated messages, 7 fuzzy translations, 30 untranslated messages. file=./`echo el | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 204 translated messages, 168 fuzzy translations, 201 untranslated messages. file=./`echo nl | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ 475 translated messages, 2 fuzzy translations, 96 untranslated messages. --Boundary_(ID_1f7CfFu7BEzube+6X4OtNg)-- From menthos@menthos.com Mon Apr 8 07:53:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from igloo.df.lth.se (igloo.df.lth.se [194.47.250.47]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259E11877D for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (menthos@localhost) by igloo.df.lth.se (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g38BrBr10511; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:53:11 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: igloo.df.lth.se: menthos owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:53:11 +0200 (MEST) From: Christian Rose To: Kjartan Maraas Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: New release of control-center In-Reply-To: <1018106715.1359.7.camel@hoth.sre.oslo.kommune.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 6 Apr 2002, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > I'm about to do a new release of control-center from the -1-0 branch. > The interesting thing about this release is that it removes the > screensaver capplet and introduces a new capplet called > default-applications that replaces the gnome-editor capplet. This of > course introduces new strings and those will need to be translated. > > Please do this as quickly as possible. This was really short notice! Also, "intltool-update -M" on control-center-1-0 reports tons of capplet files missing from POTFILES.[in|skip]. Anyway, there's an updated Swedish translation there now. Christian From maddog@linuxhall.org Mon Apr 8 08:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BAD188D4 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cm203-168-221-108.hkcable.com.hk ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 16uXnJ-0001MT-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:58:45 +0800 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:58:35 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Christian Rose Cc: Kjartan Maraas , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: New release of control-center In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6 Apr 2002, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > > I'm about to do a new release of control-center from the -1-0 branch. > > The interesting thing about this release is that it removes the > > screensaver capplet and introduces a new capplet called > > default-applications that replaces the gnome-editor capplet. This of > > course introduces new strings and those will need to be translated. > > > > Please do this as quickly as possible. > > This was really short notice! Also, "intltool-update -M" on ^^^^^^^^^^^^ True, this "short" means less than 1 hour within announcement. I was sleeping at that moment. :( Abel > control-center-1-0 reports tons of capplet files missing from > POTFILES.[in|skip]. Anyway, there's an updated Swedish translation there > now. > > Christian -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From carlos@gnome-db.org Mon Apr 8 10:28:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7251824C for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3418B78A66; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:28:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: New files translated, we should I upload them? From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Jordi Mas Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3CACA1E8.876D5892@softcatala.org> References: <3CACA1E8.876D5892@softcatala.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-5D3uyiDLw42AU9WOXM8l" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 08 Apr 2002 16:29:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1018276160.387.13.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-5D3uyiDLw42AU9WOXM8l Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 20:56, Jordi Mas wrote: > Hi guys, >=20 Hi Jordi. > We have translated some files into Catalan that we not translated until n= ow. > Should I get written access to the CVS tree to upload them or should > I send them to someone? Who's your language coordinator?. All teams should have (almost) one CVS account to upload the translations. If you want, send me the translations, but please ask for an account if your team does not have one. >=20 > Thanks a lot, Cheers. >=20 > Jordi, > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 --=-5D3uyiDLw42AU9WOXM8l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8salAEuPMamD5V9cRAmOAAJ0dp4ysWWXhUSaJWAtiy5CcIDk/jQCggnkL +HLQw2IaSa3pqOCMU9HOHEo= =uXxY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-5D3uyiDLw42AU9WOXM8l-- From ke@gnu.franken.de Mon Apr 8 14:45:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68EF18333 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16ue9D-0002W1-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:45:47 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id D59C8A4453; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:34:27 +0000 (UTC) To: "R.I.P. Deaddog" Cc: Christian Rose , Kjartan Maraas , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: New release of control-center References: In-Reply-To: ("R.I.P. Deaddog"'s message of "Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:58:35 +0800 (HKT)") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:34:27 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: "R.I.P. Deaddog" writes: > True, this "short" means less than 1 hour within announcement. > I was sleeping at that moment. :( Your fault ;) Anyway, I'm quite sure Kjartan will release it again when translations are available :-) -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From dermot.kinsella@sun.com Tue Apr 9 11:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D4A18610 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20965 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sun.com (sr-edub03-04 [129.156.220.75]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g39FJQT26132 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:19:27 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3CB30704.17CD0BD9@sun.com> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:21:40 +0100 From: Dermot Kinsella Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Locale Benchmarking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am trying to track down any performance benchmarking tools to test the GUI within Gnome. I would like to be able to run tests in different locales and compare the results to determine if there any performance issues which are unique to a particular locale. If anyone knows of any such tools or can point me in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it. Dermot Kinsella From simos74@gmx.net Tue Apr 9 13:49:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk (unknown [134.219.20.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D07180E6 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from user@localhost) by pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g39Hqnt01811; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:52:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk: user set sender to simos74@gmx.net using -f Subject: Re: Locale Benchmarking From: Simos Xenitellis To: Dermot Kinsella Cc: GNOME I18n In-Reply-To: <3CB30704.17CD0BD9@sun.com> References: <3CB30704.17CD0BD9@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3.99 Date: 09 Apr 2002 18:52:48 +0100 Message-Id: <1018374768.1721.12.camel@pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: =D4=E7=ED =D4=F1=E9, 09-04-2002 =F3=F4=E9=F2 16:21, =EF/=E7 Dermot Kinsella= =DD=E3=F1=E1=F8=E5: > Hi, >=20 > I am trying to track down any performance benchmarking tools to test the = GUI within Gnome. I would like to be able to run tests in different locale= s and compare the results to determine if there any performance issues whic= h are unique to a particular locale. >=20 > If anyone knows of any such tools or can point me in the right direction,= I would greatly appreciate it. Are you looking for an application that can record the events sent to the GNOME programs and latter replay them based on the new locale setting? If so, by searching at freshmeat.net, =20 1) xscript (http://freshmeat.net/projects/xscript/) 2) xbindkeys (http://freshmeat.net/projects/xbindkeys/) 3) xevact (http://freshmeat.net/projects/xevact/) 4) XMacro (http://freshmeat.net/projects/xmacro/) The most suitable seems to be XMacro. From the description: "The XMacro package contains two simple, C++ programs (xmacrorec and xmacroplay) for recording and replaying keyboard and mouse events on an X server. This functionality is achieved through the XTest extension. (BTW it would be better to use the XTrap extension but it's not widespread in precompiled X servers...) The programs are heavily based on the xremote utility of Jan Ekholm (chakie at infa.abo.fi)." simos From shooby@gnome.hu Wed Apr 10 08:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from mail.gnome.hu (www.gnome.hu [213.16.96.198]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0BE18465 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.gnome.hu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4E57B2ACE8; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:10:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.gnome.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2962ACE7; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:10:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Shooby Ban To: Isam Bayazidi Cc: Pablo Saratxaga , Subject: Re: Arabic Keyboard in Gnome2 In-Reply-To: <200204061325.NAA04187@accessme.com.jo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ]Well I know there is the gkb applet that handles the Keyboard switching .. ]and what I am seeking here is not a solution for me :-) I am working in the ]Arabization project .. and I want using the arabic keyboard to be as easy as ]use the frensh Keyboard :-) see what I am after ? Sorry for the late answer, my laptop was broken in the past days. So. I would like to provide a keyprop file to make it possible to switch to "ar" layout. I will send you an email to ask you for the details after this. Regards, Shooby -- Sho 1024D/4B73DB9D From tmthanh@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 11:02:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from ISP-GO.FPT.VN (isp-go.fpt.vn [203.162.7.153]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D3618C2C for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isp-mail.FPT.VN ([203.162.7.147]) by ISP-GO.FPT.VN with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:02:00 +0700 Received: from smtp.fpt.vn (isp-mta.fpt.vn [203.162.7.151]) by isp-mail.FPT.VN with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 213P2D0P; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:01:59 +0700 Received: from [203.162.61.137] by smtp.fpt.vn [203.162.7.151] Message-ID: <3CB45010.3070806@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:45:36 +0700 From: "T.M.Thanh" Organization: My Sweet Home User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020313 X-Accept-Language: vi, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome-i18n Subject: vietnamse new team of translators Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 15:02:00.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[AADC2D70:01C1E0A0] Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi folks, We 've just created a new vietnamese team for GNOME-i18n. We are now on the way to complete pot files. My question is: who do we have to contact to send translated files ? Should you remove inactive vietnamese team from the list of team ? Cheers, -- Trinh Minh Thanh, M.D. Hanoi - Vietnam From se@bestanime.com Thu Apr 11 02:48:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [218.50.7.119]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A1218118 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer (mailer [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3B6sWY18197 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:54:33 +0900 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:54:33 +0900 Message-ID: <4366642.1018501877778.JavaMail.root@mailer> From: =?EUC-KR?B?uqO9usauv6G0z7je?= To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: =?EUC-KR?B?WyCxpCCw7SBdIEJBIL+hvK20wiA=?= =?EUC-KR?B?uLjIrb+1yK0gvPa9ysbtwMwgsPjCpbehv+Qu?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_0_856191.1018501877357" X-Mailer: NMK Mailer 0.5 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ------=_Part_0_856191.1018501877357 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline BA_mail

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I just wanted to let you know that I changed a couple of links in Yelp. The current status of translations is currently. I plan on doing a release on Monday for the GNOME 2 release candidate. * Current translation support in yelp az: 2 translated messages, 3 fuzzy translations, 53 untranslated messages. bg: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. da: 55 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 2 untranslated messages. de: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. el: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. es: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. et: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. fi: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. fr: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. hu: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. lv: 31 translated messages, 3 fuzzy translations, 24 untranslated messages. ms: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. nl: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. nn: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. no: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. pl: 55 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 2 untranslated messages. pt: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. pt_BR: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. ru: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. sk: 55 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 2 untranslated messages. sl: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. sv: 55 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 2 untranslated messages. tr: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. uk: 53 translated messages, 2 fuzzy translations, 3 untranslated messages. wa: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. zh_CN: 54 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 3 untranslated messages. Regards, Mikael Hallendal -- Mikael Hallendal micke@codefactory.se CodeFactory AB http://www.codefactory.se/ Office: +46 (0)8 587 583 05 Cell: +46 (0)709 718 918 From charles@rebelbase.com Thu Apr 11 14:00:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from code.rebelbase.com (code.rebelbase.com [209.209.9.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF26C18372 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32147 invoked by uid 539); 11 Apr 2002 18:00:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:00:02 -0700 From: Charles Kerr To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Cc: pan@rebelbase.com Subject: Pan 0.11.3 String Freeze Message-ID: <20020411110002.A32027@code.rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Pan is in a string freeze for a stable release, 0.11.3, early next week. This will probably be the last gtk1 release, so translatons are welcomed gratefully. fi.po, ja.po, ko.po, sl.po. tr.po, and zh_CN.po use positional parameters, which can crash g_printf_string_upper_bound() in glib <= 1.2.10. Pan 0.11.2 is unrunnable in Japanese (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78244) because of this, so I'm going to drop any lines still using positional parameters next week. Pan 0.11.3 is in the "pan-fix" branch of Pan on cvs.gnome.org: "cvs co -r pan-0-11-fix -d pan-fix pan" will check out this branch. Here are 0.11.3's current translation stats: TRANSLATION STATISTICS Total messages: 1005 Translation status given in percentage. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Po file | Translated | Fuzzy | Untranslated | +-------------------------------------------------------+ | ca.po:| 77.61 | 0.30 | 22.09 | | da.po:| 94.13 | 0.00 | 5.87 | | de.po:| 98.61 | 0.00 | 1.39 | | el.po:| 10.45 | 59.80 | 29.75 | | en_GB.po:| 0.90 | 0.00 | 99.10 | | es.po:| 94.13 | 0.00 | 5.87 | | et.po:| 90.95 | 0.00 | 9.05 | | fi.po:| 93.13 | 0.00 | 6.87 | | fr.po:| 88.16 | 2.99 | 8.86 | | ga.po:| 5.07 | 6.27 | 88.66 | | gl.po:| 80.40 | 0.00 | 19.60 | | hu.po:| 68.36 | 10.55 | 21.09 | | it.po:| 94.13 | 0.00 | 5.87 | | ja.po:| 98.61 | 0.00 | 1.39 | | ko.po:| 89.15 | 0.00 | 10.85 | | lt.po:| 84.98 | 0.00 | 15.02 | | nl.po:| 83.88 | 0.00 | 16.12 | | no.po:| 54.13 | 31.84 | 14.03 | | pl.po:| 97.31 | 0.00 | 2.69 | | pt.po:| 98.61 | 0.00 | 1.39 | | pt_BR.po:| 98.61 | 0.00 | 1.39 | | ru.po:| 76.92 | 7.76 | 15.32 | | sk.po:| 98.61 | 0.00 | 1.39 | | sl.po:| 91.14 | 0.00 | 8.86 | | sp.po:| 8.16 | 33.93 | 57.91 | | sr.po:| 8.96 | 33.73 | 57.31 | | sv.po:| 98.61 | 0.00 | 1.39 | | tr.po:| 88.46 | 5.27 | 6.27 | | uk.po:| 72.94 | 4.18 | 22.89 | | zh_CN.po:| 88.46 | 3.68 | 7.86 | +-------------------------------------------------------+ cheers, Charles From sven@gimp.org Fri Apr 12 13:57:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from bender.convergence.de (buserror-extern.convergence.de [212.84.236.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A160184E1 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neo by bender.convergence.de with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16w5IR-0007Go-00 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:57:15 +0200 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: GIMP stable (1.2) release ahead From: Sven Neumann Date: 12 Apr 2002 19:57:14 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, we are planning to do a GIMP bugfix release in the 1.2 series in about a week. Please note that the stable branch is in the gimp-1-2 branch in module gimp in gnomecvs. You can check the current translation status here: http://sven.gimp.org/1.2/i18n.html This page also has a link to the file README.i18n that has important information about translating the GIMP. Chapters 6 and 8 should be of special interest to you. Only very few strings have changed since the 1.2.3 release but some translations are still incomplete and I'd welcome if we could ship 1.2.4 with the best localization ever ;-) Salut, Sven From tmthanh@yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 23:23:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from ISP-GO.FPT.VN (isp-go.fpt.vn [203.162.7.153]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E968918130 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isp-mail.FPT.VN ([203.162.7.147]) by ISP-GO.FPT.VN with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:23:47 +0700 Received: from smtp.fpt.vn (isp-mta.fpt.vn [203.162.7.151]) by isp-mail.FPT.VN with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2WJ7F7QX; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:23:47 +0700 Received: from [203.162.64.141] by smtp.fpt.vn [203.162.7.151] Message-ID: <3CB7A482.D37CD4C6@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:22:42 +0700 From: Trinh Minh Thanh Organization: My Sweet Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME I18N List Subject: New team for Vietnamese (vi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2002 03:23:47.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FCA97E0:01C1E29A] Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, We are happy to create a new vietnamese translator team for gnome. The new coordinators for our team will be : T.M.Thanh < tmthanh@fpt.vn ; tmthanh@yahoo.com> pclouds Our webpage will be located at : http://vietlug.sourceforge.net/gnome-vi We have to make a new team because there are already 2 teams registered but they seem not to work any more. I did contact with them some weeks ago but still have no reply from them. Any help for our team would be very appreciated. Regards, -- Trinh Minh Thanh, M.D. Hanoi - Vietnam From dan_erat@pobox.com Sat Apr 13 13:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5385718DB6 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bok.har ([63.206.168.182]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUI007HAO0976@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daniel by bok.har with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16wR8o-0003FU-00; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:16:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:16:46 -0700 From: Daniel Erat Subject: Galeon 1.2.1 string freeze To: galeon-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Mail-Followup-To: galeon-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, gnome-i18n@gnome.org Message-id: <20020413171646.GA12477@bok.har> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The 1.2 branch of Galeon (revision "galeon-1-2" in CVS) is now in a string freeze for the 1.2.1 release. Please update your translations accordingly. :) Thanks, Daniel From yaneti@declera.com Mon Apr 15 02:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from indigo.declera.com (indigo.declera.com [212.116.131.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F0801825C for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29148 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Apr 2002 06:13:44 -0000 Subject: [Fwd: Translators for GpsDrive wanted] From: Yanko Kaneti To: "gnome-i18n@gnome.org" Cc: Fritz Ganter Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-NaUGM/dhh7OS7HwHyOQK" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 15 Apr 2002 09:13:44 +0300 Message-Id: <1018851224.28002.9.camel@indigo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-NaUGM/dhh7OS7HwHyOQK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi This might be of interest to gnome-i18n Cheers Yanko --=-NaUGM/dhh7OS7HwHyOQK Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Forwarded message - Translators for GpsDrive wanted Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: (qmail 20295 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 16:58:45 -0000 Received: from moniker.gnome.org (HELO mail.gnome.org) (209.116.70.73) by indigo.declera.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 16:58:45 -0000 Received: from moniker.gnome.org (moniker.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F5B18675; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: gtk-i18n-list@gnome.org Received: from imap.quant-x.com (mail.quant-x.at [194.48.188.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDFF1825E for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by imap.quant-x.com (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386), from userid 10) id 97B4DE93; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:56:23 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain From: Fritz Ganter Message-Id: <1018803328.13834.38.camel@wuffi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.4.9] (gateganter [192.168.4.9]) by imap.quant-x.com (AvMailGate-6.13.0.2) id 15365-6787A1DB; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:55:28 +0200 Subject: Translators for GpsDrive wanted To: Gtk-Translations X-AntiVirus: OK! AvMailGate Version 6.13.0.9 at mail.quant-x.at has not found any known virus in this email. X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Sender: gtk-i18n-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gtk-i18n-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gtk-i18n-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gtk-i18n-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization and GTK+ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 14 Apr 2002 18:55:28 +0200 Hello! I'm the author of the navigation system "GpsDrive" and would like to have more translations, i.e russian. There are less to 200 sentences to translate, more info about the project you can find at: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gpsdrive/ The latest tarball is http://www.kraftvoll.at/software/gpsdrive-1.17pre3.tar.gz Thanks for any help. -- Fritz "der mit dem Linux tanzt" Ganter http://www.kraftvoll.at _______________________________________________ gtk-i18n-list mailing list gtk-i18n-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-i18n-list --=-NaUGM/dhh7OS7HwHyOQK-- From ganter@ganter.at Mon Apr 15 09:56:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from imap.quant-x.com (mail.quant-x.at [194.48.188.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0E4180F1 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by imap.quant-x.com (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386), from userid 10) id 0960BEAF; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:56:16 +0200 (CEST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Date: 15 Apr 2002 15:56:05 +0200 From: Fritz Ganter In-Reply-To: <1018851224.28002.9.camel@indigo> Message-Id: <1018878970.13834.170.camel@wuffi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.4.9] (gateganter [192.168.4.9]) by imap.quant-x.com (AvMailGate-6.13.0.2) id 22034-28631F45; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:56:10 +0200 References: <1018851224.28002.9.camel@indigo> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Translators for GpsDrive wanted] To: Gnome translations X-AntiVirus: OK! AvMailGate Version 6.13.0.9 at mail.quant-x.at has not found any known virus in this email. X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! I forgot to mention that I have already translators for german, dansk, dutsch, french and spanish. Fritz Am Mon, 2002-04-15 um 08.13 schrieb Yanko Kaneti: > From: Fritz Ganter > To: Gtk-Translations > Subject: Translators for GpsDrive wanted > Date: 14 Apr 2002 18:55:28 +0200 > > Hello! > I'm the author of the navigation system "GpsDrive" and would like to > have more translations, i.e russian. > There are less to 200 sentences to translate, more info about the > project you can find at: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gpsdrive/ > The latest tarball is > http://www.kraftvoll.at/software/gpsdrive-1.17pre3.tar.gz > > Thanks for any help. > -- > Fritz "der mit dem Linux tanzt" Ganter http://www.kraftvoll.at > > > _______________________________________________ > gtk-i18n-list mailing list > gtk-i18n-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-i18n-list -- Fritz "der mit dem Linux tanzt" Ganter http://www.kraftvoll.at From maddog@deaddog.org Mon Apr 15 18:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [203.168.221.108]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896F6180EE for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E79E1B9A; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:52:07 +0800 (HKT) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:52:07 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Gnome I18N List Cc: Subject: Additions to translation-status.xml Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I have added several modules to translation-status.xml, namely balsa, gnomoku, radioactive and ximian-setup-tools. They are ported/porting to Gnome 2, but don't appear in Gnome 2 package list yet. Is it ok to add them to translatable module list? If anybody thinks this addition is inappropriate, please tell me, so that I can back off. -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From carlos@gnome-db.org Mon Apr 15 19:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (unknown [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B257181B4 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F62788A2; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:05:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Additions to translation-status.xml From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: "R.I.P. Deaddog" Cc: Gnome I18N List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-RoBla6Uqw7WowxeGZ49W" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 16 Apr 2002 01:05:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1018911948.450.52.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-RoBla6Uqw7WowxeGZ49W Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mar, 16-04-2002 a las 00:52, R.I.P. Deaddog escribi=F3: > Hi, >=20 > I have added several modules to translation-status.xml, > namely balsa, gnomoku, radioactive and ximian-setup-tools. >=20 > They are ported/porting to Gnome 2, but don't appear in > Gnome 2 package list yet. Is it ok to add them to > translatable module list? >=20 > If anybody thinks this addition is inappropriate, please > tell me, so that I can back off. It's ok for me. Could you change also the gtk/glib/pango branch? Thanks. >=20 > --=20 > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-RoBla6Uqw7WowxeGZ49W Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8u1zLEuPMamD5V9cRAnbkAJ9Frh/ZkW0OzuHNdriC3OXF268NdwCbBWx9 0VHzV4IWXrRFNdkW5jPRrS4= =maiJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-RoBla6Uqw7WowxeGZ49W-- From maddog@deaddog.org Mon Apr 15 20:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [203.168.221.108]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EE61812E for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48326E1B8A; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:19:53 +0800 (HKT) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:19:53 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: Gnome I18N List Subject: Re: Additions to translation-status.xml In-Reply-To: <1018911948.450.52.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 16 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perelló Marín wrote: > > I have added several modules to translation-status.xml, > > namely balsa, gnomoku, radioactive and ximian-setup-tools. > > > > They are ported/porting to Gnome 2, but don't appear in > > Gnome 2 package list yet. Is it ok to add them to > > translatable module list? > > > > If anybody thinks this addition is inappropriate, please > > tell me, so that I can back off. > > > It's ok for me. > Could you change also the gtk/glib/pango branch? > Thanks. Yes, already done for gtk/glib. OK, adding some more modules: - gok - gperfmeter - gnomemeeting - gnome-spell rhythmbox-new, gnome-build and gegl are ported to Gnome 2, but they don't call textdomain/bindtextdomain at all; so I guess translation don't have any effect for them yet, and hence don't add them for now. Is this applicable to GConf1/2 too? Abel -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From ke@gnu.franken.de Tue Apr 16 01:32:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (unknown [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B59180EB for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16xLaF-000331-00; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:32:51 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 0829EA43E4; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:06:05 +0200 (CEST) To: Fritz Ganter Cc: Gnome translations , translation@iro.umontreal.ca Subject: Re: [Fwd: Translators for GpsDrive wanted] References: <1018851224.28002.9.camel@indigo> <1018878970.13834.170.camel@wuffi> In-Reply-To: <1018878970.13834.170.camel@wuffi> (Fritz Ganter's message of "15 Apr 2002 15:56:05 +0200") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:06:02 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Fritz Ganter writes: > I forgot to mention that I have already translators for german, dansk, > dutsch, french and spanish. Hello Fritz, and what about a de_AT translation? ;) Maybe, the Free Translation Project can help you (cf. my signature). We have the possiblity to mark translation as "external" -- thus you are not force to process already available translations (de, da, nl, fr, es) through the robot. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From menthos@menthos.com Tue Apr 16 04:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from piraten (unknown [130.235.208.46]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069D8180E4 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by piraten.student.lu.se (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 1 (built Nov 13 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GUN00ILRKJ9GC@piraten.student.lu.se> for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:49:57 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:49:56 +0200 From: Christian Rose Subject: Status? To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Message-id: <1018946997.11819.430.camel@daim.menthos.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: What happened to the status pages? On the other side, the entire d.g.o looks pretty non-functional, that could have something to do with it... (My e-mail was also non-functional for at least two days, so I hope I'm still subscribed) Christian From tmthanh@yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 10:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from ISP-GO.FPT.VN (unknown [203.162.7.153]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68C2181E7 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isp-mail.FPT.VN ([203.162.7.147]) by ISP-GO.FPT.VN with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:44:27 +0700 Received: from smtp.fpt.vn (isp-mta.fpt.vn [203.162.7.151]) by isp-mail.FPT.VN with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 25THFH4N; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:44:27 +0700 Received: from [203.162.60.227] by smtp.fpt.vn [203.162.7.151] Message-ID: <3CBC3928.7070809@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:46:00 +0700 From: "T.M.Thanh" Organization: My Sweet Home User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020313 X-Accept-Language: vi, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME I18N List Subject: [second time declare] New team for Vietnamese (vi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2002 14:44:27.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[35BF12A0:01C1E555] Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, We are happy to create a new vietnamese translator team for gnome. The new coordinators for our team will be : T.M.Thanh < tmthanh@fpt.vn ; tmthanh@yahoo.com> pclouds Our webpage will be located at : http://vietlug.sourceforge.net/gnome-vi We have to make a new team because there are already 2 teams registered but they seem not to work any more. I did contact with them some weeks ago but still have no reply from them. Any help for our team would be very appreciated. Regards, -- Trinh Minh Thanh, M.D. Hanoi - Vietnam _______________________________________________ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n From ke@gnu.franken.de Tue Apr 16 12:21:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B892518203 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16xVi0-00011m-00 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:21:32 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id E1E1EA43E4; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Sender: ke@gnu.franken.de Resent-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Resent-From: Karl Eichwalder Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:17:13 +0200 X-From-Line: nobody Tue Apr 16 07:06:03 2002 To: Fritz Ganter Cc: Gnome translations , translation@iro.umontreal.ca Subject: Re: [Fwd: Translators for GpsDrive wanted] References: <1018851224.28002.9.camel@indigo> <1018878970.13834.170.camel@wuffi> In-Reply-To: <1018878970.13834.170.camel@wuffi> (Fritz Ganter's message of "15 Apr 2002 15:56:05 +0200") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:06:02 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 19 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Fritz Ganter writes: > I forgot to mention that I have already translators for german, dansk, > dutsch, french and spanish. Hello Fritz, and what about a de_AT translation? ;) Maybe, the Free Translation Project can help you (cf. my signature). We have the possiblity to mark translation as "external" -- thus you are not force to process already available translations (de, da, nl, fr, es) through the robot. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From kmaraas@online.no Tue Apr 16 17:22:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from sevilla.gnome.no (213-145-191-71.dd.nextgentel.com [213.145.191.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5090C1810A for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kmaraas@localhost) by sevilla.gnome.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3GLNjF02621 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:23:45 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: sevilla.gnome.no: kmaraas set sender to kmaraas@online.no using -f Subject: Re: New release of control-center From: Kjartan Maraas To: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 Apr 2002 23:23:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1018992224.2581.4.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: man, 2002-04-08 kl. 13:53 skrev Christian Rose: > On 6 Apr 2002, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > > I'm about to do a new release of control-center from the -1-0 branch. > > The interesting thing about this release is that it removes the > > screensaver capplet and introduces a new capplet called > > default-applications that replaces the gnome-editor capplet. This of > > course introduces new strings and those will need to be translated. > > > > Please do this as quickly as possible. > > This was really short notice! Also, "intltool-update -M" on > control-center-1-0 reports tons of capplet files missing from > POTFILES.[in|skip]. Anyway, there's an updated Swedish translation there > now. > Sorry about that. The point was to get translations in there for the next release which will probably be the last one before 1.4.1. Still time for that... I'd also like to wait for a release of xscreensaver with support for i18n since we basically don't have a translated screensaver capplet as of now... :( Cheers Kjartan From maddog@deaddog.org Tue Apr 16 20:21:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2286C180F3 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cm203-168-221-108.hkcable.com.hk ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 16xdC5-0005d8-00; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:21:05 +0800 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:21:02 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Gnome translations Cc: "translation@iro.umontreal.ca" Subject: GpsDrive is in Translation Project now [Was: Translators for GpsDrive wanted] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Maybe, the Free Translation Project can help you (cf. my signature). We > have the possiblity to mark translation as "external" -- thus you are > not force to process already available translations (de, da, nl, fr, > es) through the robot. I just received email about the fact that gpsdrive has been imported under Translation Project. If Karl were not to do this, I'd recommend gpsdrive be imported to gnome-i18n/. But since it has already been incorporated into TP, we can treat it as experiment, to see if gnome/gtk software and TP can play nice with each other :) Abel -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From jorONaWUa@yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 21:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from yahoo.com (unknown [210.178.230.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D01231843F for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparc.isl.net ([86.193.190.200]) by asy100.as122.sol.superonline.com with QMQP; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:04:14 -0400 Reply-To: Message-ID: <5062CE18-50F4-11D6-8C66-0040057025D8@vJe1PqRU> From: To: Subject: toner cartridges Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:06:38 -0580 MiME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00K4_35O56Q7S.T3786X08" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: 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Deaddog" Cc: Gnome translations , "translation@iro.umontreal.ca" Subject: Re: GpsDrive is in Translation Project now References: In-Reply-To: ("R.I.P. Deaddog"'s message of "Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:21:02 +0800 (HKT)") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 03:26:17 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: "R.I.P. 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Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bighead@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g3IGdaj01336; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:09:36 +0530 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:09:36 +0530 Message-Id: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bighead set sender to bighead@users.sourceforge.net using -f From: Archit Baweja To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Hindi Translation Team? Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey Just 2 days ago I managed to setup gnome 2.0 and pango and gedit to start showing Devnagari with editing capabilities. Ever since [sander] has been requesting/suggesting/commanding (pick what u like) to start translation of Gnome. So any hindi speakers around ready for "Conquest of the Indian Sub Continent by Gnome" plan? I've got a peliminary HOWTO setup. I'll putting it online today. Or you can just mail me for all questions to setup pango & gedit. Maybe a Hindi team. btw, I remember surfing into a site before (before when I was still having in the process of getting all the things to work) where they had already made some .po files for common gnome programs. Any idea? Cheers! Archit Baweja -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard iD8DBQE8vvbH2rWNPKmGjMcRAlOtAKCD8HapP+3/HwdRtqHj7rk1cQqA6gCbBSY9 11Hbec+OfcivSZIoDKsXeNw= =fdi0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From locales@geez.org Thu Apr 18 12:39:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from geez.org (ethiopic.org [207.96.1.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFE81838F for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from locales by geez.org with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16yF6S-0005M4-00 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:49:48 -0400 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Do Apps Use a "Root" Locales? Message-Id: From: Daniel Yacob Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:49:48 -0400 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Greetings, After convincing gnome ghost view to speak amharic: http://gnome.geez.org/Amharic/ggv.jpg I was surprised by words that remained in English, "File", "Settings", "Help", etc. Looking back thru ggv.po these msgids just weren't there. Do gtk apps use a "root" locale of some sort for common terms? If so what is the name of it? I was also surprised that the spacing between the toolbar buttons expanded quite a bit. Anyone know how to remedy that? And while I'm asking questions... Not that unix is want for more daemons and servers but I got to wondering if a vocabulary server had ever been attempted as a message catalog approach? I'd like to read the findings of such an experiment. I'm thinking along the lines of the role a font server has with respect to apps. thanks, /Daniel From maddog@deaddog.org Thu Apr 18 12:49:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E63C184E3 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cm203-168-221-108.hkcable.com.hk ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 16yF64-0005BJ-00 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:49:24 +0800 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:49:22 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: "gnome-i18n@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Do Apps Use a "Root" Locales? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Daniel Yacob wrote: > After convincing gnome ghost view to speak amharic: > > http://gnome.geez.org/Amharic/ggv.jpg > > I was surprised by words that remained in English, "File", > "Settings", "Help", etc. Looking back thru ggv.po these > msgids just weren't there. Do gtk apps use a "root" > locale of some sort for common terms? If so what is > the name of it? I suppose those menu entries comes from libgnomeui. Anybody can confirm or deny? > I was also surprised that the spacing between the toolbar > buttons expanded quite a bit. Anyone know how to remedy > that? You have to ask this in desktop-devel-list. Abel > And while I'm asking questions... Not that unix is want > for more daemons and servers but I got to wondering if > a vocabulary server had ever been attempted as a message > catalog approach? I'd like to read the findings of such > an experiment. I'm thinking along the lines of the role > a font server has with respect to apps. -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From Sander.Vesik@Sun.COM Thu Apr 18 13:10:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kathmandu.sun.com (kathmandu.sun.com [192.18.98.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2211842C for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by kathmandu.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18335; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blossom (blossom [129.156.238.67]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g3IHAsT00198; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:10:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:10:53 +0100 (BST) From: Sander Vesik X-Sender: sv117949@blossom To: Daniel Yacob Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: Do Apps Use a "Root" Locales? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Daniel Yacob wrote: > > Greetings, > > After convincing gnome ghost view to speak amharic: > > http://gnome.geez.org/Amharic/ggv.jpg > > I was surprised by words that remained in English, "File", > "Settings", "Help", etc. Looking back thru ggv.po these > msgids just weren't there. Do gtk apps use a "root" > locale of some sort for common terms? If so what is > the name of it? > Strings in gnome2 apps can also come from any number of ui libraries these are using - most probably from gtk+, libbonoboui, libgnomeui but AFAIK all/most other libraries in the gnome2 platform and desktop also contain localisable strings. > I was also surprised that the spacing between the toolbar > buttons expanded quite a bit. Anyone know how to remedy > that? > Could also be a simple bug > thanks, > > /Daniel > Sander I see a dark sail on the horizon Set under a dark cloud that hides the sun Bring me my Broadsword and clear understanding From kabalak@gtranslator.org Thu Apr 18 13:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777E918C50 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from port-212-202-184-218.reverse.qdsl-home.de (port-212-202-184-218.reverse.qdsl-home.de [212.202.184.218]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA28177 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:17:32 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Do Apps Use a "Root" Locales? From: Fatih Demir To: GNOME I18N List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: gtranslator's authors' team X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 18 Apr 2002 19:17:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1019150282.391.63.camel@kabalak-debian> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 18:49, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Daniel Yacob wrote: > I was surprised by words that remained in English, "File", > "Settings", "Help", etc. Looking back thru ggv.po these > msgids just weren't there. Do gtk apps use a "root" > locale of some sort for common terms? If so what is > the name of it? I suppose those menu entries comes from libgnomeui. Anybody can confirm or deny? You're right :-) The strings are commonly defined from there and accessed from GnomeUI functions using programs. It could be libgnomeui or it's equivalent successor on the GNOME 2.0 platform. > And while I'm asking questions... Not that unix is want for more daemons > and servers but I got to wondering if a vocabulary server had ever been > attempted as a message catalog approach? > I'd like to read the findings of such an experiment. Ok, in previous, very long ago times, we or morely myself tried to set up a gtranslator daemon which handled the translation memory alike implementation (it was CRAP, but well, it was the beginning of the current UMTF functions in gtranslator); I wanted to do an OAF-back'd server which could be contacted by various clients by the defined OAF query format, but this died as of one year ago (or even more time ago) due to no interest in this and no sources for making a fully server by my side. Nothing successful, but I would say, you should think about how you want to implement this and I didn't really hear much about a catalog/translations supporting server program yet, so it would fit into this point of lack :-) Have a nice day... -- <([ Fatih Demir / kabalak / kabalak@gtranslator.org ])> <([ ICQ 64241161 / fdemir2@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ])> <([ Studying Biology @ the University of Heidelberg ])> From pablo@mandrakesoft.com Thu Apr 18 14:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from chanae.alphanet.ch (212-100-178-141.adsl.easynet.be [212.100.178.141]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518B718D35 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from srtxg@localhost) by chanae.alphanet.ch (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA27217 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:36:10 +0200 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:36:10 +0200 From: Pablo Saratxaga To: "gnome-i18n@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Do Apps Use a "Root" Locales? Message-ID: <20020418203610.X17375@chanae.alphanet.ch> Mail-Followup-To: "gnome-i18n@gnome.org" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0us In-Reply-To: ; from maddog@deaddog.org on Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:49:01AM +0800 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Kaixo! On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:49:01AM +0800, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote: > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Daniel Yacob wrote: > > > After convincing gnome ghost view to speak amharic: > > > > http://gnome.geez.org/Amharic/ggv.jpg > > I was also surprised that the spacing between the toolbar > > buttons expanded quite a bit. Anyone know how to remedy > > that? I learned the hard way that, in order for Gtk to count *characters* and not *bytes* you need to call gtk_set_locale(). So, try editing the file ggv/src/main.c to change: int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { GnomeClient *client; poptContext ctx; gchar **startups; gchar *fname; ggv_window *ggv; bindtextdomain(PACKAGE, GNOMELOCALEDIR); textdomain(PACKAGE); to: int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { GnomeClient *client; poptContext ctx; gchar **startups; gchar *fname; ggv_window *ggv; gtk_set_locale(); bindtextdomain(PACKAGE, GNOMELOCALEDIR); textdomain(PACKAGE); and recompile, and see if that changes something. -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.srtxg.easynet.be/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975 From bighead@users.sourceforge.net Fri Apr 19 02:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [203.94.251.185]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD62518947 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bighead@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g3J6PAq01312; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:55:10 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bighead set sender to bighead@users.sourceforge.net using -f To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hindi Translation Team? References: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> From: Archit Baweja Date: 19 Apr 2002 11:55:09 +0530 In-Reply-To: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Lines: 49 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey I think I forgot the main and important question. Is there A Hinid Translation Team already, and if not, how about setting one up? Archit Baweja Archit Baweja writes: > Hey > > Just 2 days ago I managed to setup gnome 2.0 and pango and gedit to > start showing Devnagari with editing capabilities. Ever since [sander] has > been requesting/suggesting/commanding (pick what u like) to start translation > of Gnome. > > So any hindi speakers around ready for "Conquest of the Indian Sub Continent by > Gnome" plan? I've got a peliminary HOWTO setup. I'll putting it online today. > Or you can just mail me for all questions to setup pango & gedit. Maybe a > Hindi team. > > btw, I remember surfing into a site before (before when I was still having > in the process of getting all the things to work) where they had already > made some .po files for common gnome programs. Any idea? > > Cheers! > Archit Baweja > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > > - -- "Glade2 is bleeding edge rightnow. And I mean it bleeds like a dam of blood of squashed bugs." -- Archit Baweja (glade2 developer) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard iD8DBQE8v7hF2rWNPKmGjMcRAtMwAJ9uOxSLrGFA6yBhZYlaEWwV589eVACfTXGZ iTdabyq21/2zpzgwiCczZZI= =DBt1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From karunakar@freedomink.org Fri Apr 19 05:19:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from birch.phpwebhosting.com (birch.phpwebhosting.com [64.29.16.110]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF64018F9B for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 05:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16646 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 11:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cartoon) (202.144.33.10) by birch.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 11:26:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:57:30 +0530 From: Guntupalli Karunakar To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Cc: anuragseetha@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Hindi Translation Team? Message-Id: <20020419145730.759f326f.karunakar@freedomink.org> In-Reply-To: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> References: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> Reply-To: karunakar@freedomink.org Organization: Netcore Solutions X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:09:36 +0530 Archit Baweja wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey > > Just 2 days ago I managed to setup gnome 2.0 and pango and gedit to > start showing Devnagari with editing capabilities. Ever since > [sander] has been requesting/suggesting/commanding (pick what u > like) to start translation of Gnome. > There have been debates here on what is suitable terminology to be used in translations, whether pure sanskritized forms', hinglish, or just english written in devangari. I suggest you start from the Gnome glossary, as it has all the commonly occuring words that need to be translated. I have done a incomplete translation for Gtk20.pot, will update it and send it. > So any hindi speakers around ready for "Conquest of the Indian Sub > Continent by Gnome" plan? I've got a peliminary HOWTO setup. I'll > putting it online today. Or you can just mail me for all questions > to setup pango & gedit. Maybe a Hindi team. > Teams listed or known to this list have not done any work. But there are teams not known to the list who have done some work. One of it is listed below, and person involved in another team is CCed. He is working straight on Gnome 2.0 pots taken from gtp gnome 2 status page dated 4th April. He recently started it, He is doing it on paper first and then getting the stuff typed by volunteers, to do it quickly. In week or two the developer platform & desktop utils pots should be done. > btw, I remember surfing into a site before (before when I was still > having in the process of getting all the things to work) where they > had already made some .po files for common gnome programs. Any idea? > There were some translations done by a team at NCST for an older version of gnome applications (probably 1.2). They are available from http://rohini.ncst.ernet.in/indix/download/src/gnome-messages.tar.gz These translations have been put up as-is by current gnome hindi coordinator at cl-india.sf.net . I have merged part these translations into latest pots, but a lot needs to be retyped. With language support in place its time translations also are in place. Regards, Karunakar From karunakar@freedomink.org Fri Apr 19 05:24:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from birch.phpwebhosting.com (birch.phpwebhosting.com [64.29.16.110]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DDA318F9B for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 05:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17015 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 11:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cartoon) (202.144.33.10) by birch.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 11:31:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:03:31 +0530 From: Guntupalli Karunakar To: Archit Baweja Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hindi Translation Team? Message-Id: <20020419150331.118af14e.karunakar@freedomink.org> In-Reply-To: References: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> Reply-To: karunakar@freedomink.org Organization: Netcore Solutions X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 19 Apr 2002 11:55:09 +0530 Archit Baweja wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey > > I think I forgot the main and important question. Is there A Hinid > Translation Team already, and if not, how about setting one up? > There are a few. Official and unofficial etc, wanna join which one ;-) there is one at cl-india.sourceforge.net , another team hasnt formed any list or webpage ( a webpage is there, but will announce only when some work is ready ), but hope to release the work as its done an release it. (I am part of second) Regards, Karunakar From bighead@users.sourceforge.net Sun Apr 21 14:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [203.94.252.233]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7D3181FB for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bighead@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g3LILNd17147; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:51:23 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bighead set sender to bighead@users.sourceforge.net using -f To: karunakar@freedomink.org Subject: Re: Hindi Translation Team? Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org References: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> <20020419145245.5cd8a683.karunakar@freedomink.org> <20020419162202.10477b22.karunakar@freedomink.org> From: Archit Baweja Date: 21 Apr 2002 23:51:23 +0530 In-Reply-To: <20020419162202.10477b22.karunakar@freedomink.org> Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey Ok, I hope I don't have to do translate things like GnomeFileEntry.. Because in Glade there are alot of these names marked for translation? btw, if I bump into more of these, should I leave them blank, or same as in English? Cheers! Archit Baweja -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard iD8DBQE8wwMj2rWNPKmGjMcRAnJmAJ4nzC8CpRlnEMAfN6+UCW8kj78VfQCfTU8j Y6mcBb3qhapomhVTs2C8PYI= =VUnX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carlos@gnome-db.org Sun Apr 21 14:36:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DED7181FB for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D6A78A26; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:36:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Hindi Translation Team? From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Archit Baweja Cc: karunakar@freedomink.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org, glade-devel@ximian.com In-Reply-To: References: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> <20020419145245.5cd8a683.karunakar@freedomink.org> <20020419162202.10477b22.karunakar@freedomink.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-eELWykzZqbvyYUrHAXnW" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 21 Apr 2002 20:36:54 +0200 Message-Id: <1019414214.983.2.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-eELWykzZqbvyYUrHAXnW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 21-04-2002 a las 20:21, Archit Baweja escribi=F3: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Hey >=20 > Ok, I hope I don't have to do translate things like=20 > GnomeFileEntry.. > Because in Glade there are alot of these names marked for translation? Those things (in glade) are for the widget name you get in a palette. You can translate it (as I did sometimes), but I think now that perhaps we should not translate it, this way we will had the same name as the functions to manage those widgets... >=20 > btw, if I bump into more of these, should I leave them blank, or same as = in > English? Always same as in english, never leave a string in blank. >=20 > Cheers! > Archit Baweja See you!! >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard >=20 > iD8DBQE8wwMj2rWNPKmGjMcRAnJmAJ4nzC8CpRlnEMAfN6+UCW8kj78VfQCfTU8j > Y6mcBb3qhapomhVTs2C8PYI=3D > =3DVUnX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-eELWykzZqbvyYUrHAXnW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8wwbGEuPMamD5V9cRArG3AJoDG4FwjYpc2rOFeuSY++SX86aotwCfds9v UgG3fh2jW9YHM6eG0DmqXHM= =VCIU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-eELWykzZqbvyYUrHAXnW-- From menthos@menthos.com Sun Apr 21 15:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322BB1823C for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3LJ3m008465; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:03:48 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Hindi Translation Team? From: Christian Rose To: Archit Baweja Cc: karunakar@freedomink.org, gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> <20020419145245.5cd8a683.karunakar@freedomink.org> <20020419162202.10477b22.karunakar@freedomink.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 21 Apr 2002 21:03:48 +0200 Message-Id: <1019415829.6603.92.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: s=F6n 2002-04-21 klockan 20.21 skrev Archit Baweja: > btw, if I bump into more of these, should I leave them blank, or same as = in > English? If you find some message where the translation should be the same as the English original message, then always copy it into the msgstr, don't leave the msgstr blank. The reason is that if you leave msgstr's blank on purpose the translation statistics will be misleading, and people other than you might not know if the message was "untranslated" on purpose or not, and hence don't know if it was a mistake or not. Christian From sf_alpha@samart.co.th Mon Apr 22 00:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [202.29.21.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB261813D for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samart.co.th (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3M46RNf009803 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:06:31 +0700 Message-ID: <3CC38C43.80700@samart.co.th> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:06:27 +0700 From: Phattanon Duangdara User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) Gecko/20020417 X-Accept-Language: th, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Thai Translation Team to Change ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=TIS-620; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The old Thai Translation team not have time for do translation of Gnome. I want to takeover this and I was contact the old team to to this already. The translation will reassign to Thai Linux Working Group. Would anyone can tell me about how I should do after translated .po files of each project ? ... I am new ... I need to know more about the Gnome Translation. Thanks for any advice .. Phattanon. From karunakar@freedomink.org Mon Apr 22 04:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from birch.phpwebhosting.com (birch.phpwebhosting.com [64.29.16.110]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1E451810F for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4204 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 10:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cartoon) (202.144.33.10) by birch.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2002 10:34:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:05:33 +0530 From: Guntupalli Karunakar To: Christian Rose Cc: bighead@users.sourceforge.net, gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hindi Translation Team? Message-Id: <20020422140533.53e276a0.karunakar@freedomink.org> In-Reply-To: <1019415829.6603.92.camel@daim.menthos.com> References: <200204181639.g3IGdaj01336@localhost.localdomain> <20020419145245.5cd8a683.karunakar@freedomink.org> <20020419162202.10477b22.karunakar@freedomink.org> <1019415829.6603.92.camel@daim.menthos.com> Reply-To: karunakar@freedomink.org Organization: Netcore Solutions X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 21 Apr 2002 21:03:48 +0200 Christian Rose wrote: > sön 2002-04-21 klockan 20.21 skrev Archit Baweja: > > btw, if I bump into more of these, should I leave them blank, or > > same as in English? > > If you find some message where the translation should be the same as > the English original message, then always copy it into the msgstr, > don't leave the msgstr blank. > The reason is that if you leave msgstr's blank on purpose the > translation statistics will be misleading, and people other than you > might not know if the message was "untranslated" on purpose or not, > and hence don't know if it was a mistake or not. > I think same to be done with 'debug message strings' (which only go to stderr) also ? Regards, Karunakar From menthos@menthos.com Mon Apr 22 05:09:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from igloo.df.lth.se (igloo.df.lth.se [194.47.250.47]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0580184E6 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 05:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (menthos@localhost) by igloo.df.lth.se (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3M999S16055; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:09:09 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: igloo.df.lth.se: menthos owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:09:09 +0200 (MEST) From: Christian Rose To: Guntupalli Karunakar Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hindi Translation Team? In-Reply-To: <20020422140533.53e276a0.karunakar@freedomink.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Guntupalli Karunakar wrote: > > If you find some message where the translation should be the same as > > the English original message, then always copy it into the msgstr, > > don't leave the msgstr blank. > > The reason is that if you leave msgstr's blank on purpose the > > translation statistics will be misleading, and people other than you > > might not know if the message was "untranslated" on purpose or not, > > and hence don't know if it was a mistake or not. > > I think same to be done with 'debug message strings' (which only go > to stderr) also ? I personally aim to translate everything that's included in the pot file. Debug messages can be useful to translate too. If the debug messages are included in the pot file and hence were explicitly marked for translation, then probably the application author agrees to that too. I personally think that debug messages should be translated because of the following reasons: * It is dangerous to assume that only inexperienced users who wouldn't need the debug messages anyway are the ones who use translations. I know several cases where this isn't true. Instead it can be useful to translate so that experienced users who use translations can more easily help themselves in the first place if they encounter an error. * If untranslated debug messages are needed, for example when it is supposed to go into a bug report or similar situation, then the application can be designed so that it outputs both the original message in English, *and* the translation. Christian From kmaraas@online.no Mon Apr 22 09:58:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from sevilla.gnome.no (213-145-181-201.dd.nextgentel.com [213.145.181.201]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDE71811E for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kmaraas@localhost) by sevilla.gnome.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3MFwxk22659 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:58:59 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: sevilla.gnome.no: kmaraas set sender to kmaraas@online.no using -f Subject: CFT (Call For Translations): 1.4.1 From: Kjartan Maraas To: GNOME i18n list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 22 Apr 2002 17:58:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1019491139.21529.12.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all. This is a call for translations for 1.4.1 :) Please update as much as possible before the release. I'll try to get at least one more release done for gnome-libs, gnome-core, control-center and gnome-applets before 1.4.1 just to catch up on translations (and hopefully fix more bugs). I'll scream on this channel if I add/change any strings in the process. Cheers Kjartan From carlos@gnome-db.org Mon Apr 22 10:22:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45BC18544 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F3E78344; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:22:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: CFT (Call For Translations): 1.4.1 From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Kjartan Maraas Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019491139.21529.12.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> References: <1019491139.21529.12.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-oc/lT5J096WuYr2CDC1e" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 22 Apr 2002 16:22:48 +0200 Message-Id: <1019485368.529.5.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-oc/lT5J096WuYr2CDC1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will try to put online GNOME 1.4 translation status this week. Cheers. El lun, 22-04-2002 a las 17:58, Kjartan Maraas escribi=F3: > Hi all. >=20 > This is a call for translations for 1.4.1 :) >=20 > Please update as much as possible before the release. I'll try to get at > least one more release done for gnome-libs, gnome-core, control-center > and gnome-applets before 1.4.1 just to catch up on translations (and > hopefully fix more bugs). I'll scream on this channel if I add/change > any strings in the process. >=20 > Cheers > Kjartan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-oc/lT5J096WuYr2CDC1e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xBy3EuPMamD5V9cRAmsLAJ4qt+jqhqRSlZMQUiTio5bFvWulKwCfckUI BUVspy/yVHb44OnnRl8nwl4= =Vw6c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-oc/lT5J096WuYr2CDC1e-- From maddog@linuxhall.org Mon Apr 22 10:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E17D1811E for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cm203-168-221-108.hkcable.com.hk ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 16zf2J-0005ew-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:43:24 +0800 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:43:08 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: Kjartan Maraas , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: CFT (Call For Translations): 1.4.1 In-Reply-To: <1019485368.529.5.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 22 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > I will try to put online GNOME 1.4 translation status this week. >=20 > Cheers. Using old scripts or new ones? If time is critical, then probably the old one is preferred IMHO (I have run it in my box and it still works fine). But is the off-by-one error fixed? That's likely related to the setting of the machine used to run script, and I can't find anything wrong within the old scripts themselves. Someone I know has added support on new status.c to generate pages for individual teams. I haven't checked it yet, but seems it is OK to put into production. Comment? > El lun, 22-04-2002 a las 17:58, Kjartan Maraas escribi=F3: > >=20 > > This is a call for translations for 1.4.1 :) > >=20 > > Please update as much as possible before the release. I'll try to get a= t > > least one more release done for gnome-libs, gnome-core, control-center > > and gnome-applets before 1.4.1 just to catch up on translations (and > > hopefully fix more bugs). I'll scream on this channel if I add/change > > any strings in the process. > >=20 > > Cheers > > Kjartan --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From carton@linux.net.cn Mon Apr 22 11:06:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from mx.linux.net.cn (unknown [210.52.24.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B87F19504 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux.net.cn (unknown [218.244.106.10]) by mx.linux.net.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C0C29A3 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:07:52 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <3CC4977C.4060701@linux.net.cn> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:06:36 +0000 From: He Qiangqiang User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9+) Gecko/20020329 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: help me on localizing gnome2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, I used to build gnome2 with vicious-build-scripts, set LC_ALL=zh_CN.GB2312 (I am a Chinese), cd /gnome/head/INSTALL/bin, and run "startx ./gnome-session", and I can see Gnome2 menu text etc. correctly displayed in Chinese, then I can test my translations. But today when I do this on a different machine, those menus and applications still display English. But the date display on the top right corner is in Chinese. I have tested other locales but won't do. I just don't know whether it's a bug so I ask here. anyone knows how to deal this? btw, what's the "offical" way to start gnome2? From chrisime@uni.de Mon Apr 22 13:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from basket.ball.reliam.net (basket.ball.reliam.net [213.91.6.7]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365E2182F3 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (pD9E506A3.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.6.163]) by basket.ball.reliam.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DA03E09; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:40:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: CFT (Call For Translations): 1.4.1 From: Christian Meyer To: Kjartan Maraas Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019491139.21529.12.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> References: <1019491139.21529.12.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1019496205.2680.3.camel@dizzy> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 22 Apr 2002 19:40:27 +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 17:58, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > Hi all. > > This is a call for translations for 1.4.1 :) > > Please update as much as possible before the release. I'll try to get at > least one more release done for gnome-libs, gnome-core, control-center > and gnome-applets before 1.4.1 just to catch up on translations (and > hopefully fix more bugs). I'll scream on this channel if I add/change > any strings in the process. It'd be nice to know when you are going to release new versions of gnome-core/gnome.../... Greetings, Christian From maddog@linux.org.hk Tue Apr 23 01:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F5118325 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cm203-168-221-108.hkcable.com.hk ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 16ztBc-0002sL-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:49:56 +0800 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:49:54 +0800 (HKT) From: Abel Cheung To: GNOME I18N List Cc: =?big5?Q?Carlos_Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Subject: [Gnome-i18n] Inviditual locale status page Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463761151-2044805400-1019540994=:16098" Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1463761151-2044805400-1019540994=:16098 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to Joe Man, my CVS tree has a status generation .c file that can provide invididual status for each locale for Gnome 2.x translation, in addition to the global status page. But this change is a bit big, so I don't want the change to go uninspected before committed/rejected. For sample, you can see http://i18n.deaddog.org/~maddog/gnome-status/unstable/status.shtml, then click on the links to each locale. In particular, it's reported that carlos is working on the status regeneration too, so I don't want to mess up with his work. 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micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-IMn2zBe5ojcfrFm3hdSr" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 23 Apr 2002 09:22:16 +0200 Message-Id: <1019546536.427.9.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-IMn2zBe5ojcfrFm3hdSr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you very much, I have some problems with my implementation. I was splitting the source files to be able to understand better the code. I will do a mix between this patch and all my changes. Thank you very much. Cheers. P.S.: Sorry if I didn't answer your previous mail, yesterday was a really busy day and I think that today will be a really crazy one :-( El mar, 23-04-2002 a las 07:49, Abel Cheung escribi=F3: >=20 > Thanks to Joe Man, my CVS tree has a status generation .c > file that can provide invididual status for each locale > for Gnome 2.x translation, in addition to the global > status page. >=20 > But this change is a bit big, so I don't want the change > to go uninspected before committed/rejected. For sample, > you can see > http://i18n.deaddog.org/~maddog/gnome-status/unstable/status.shtml, > then click on the links to each locale. >=20 > In particular, it's reported that carlos is working on > the status regeneration too, so I don't want to mess up > with his work. >=20 > Abel >=20 > PS Perhaps my previous email was unclear, so I put this > into seperate email. >=20 > --=20 > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc > ---- >=20 > Index: gnome-i18n/status//ChangeLog > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-i18n/status/ChangeLog,v > retrieving revision 1.117 > diff -u -r1.117 ChangeLog > --- gnome-i18n/status//ChangeLog 23 Apr 2002 03:56:43 -0000 1.117 > +++ gnome-i18n/status//ChangeLog 23 Apr 2002 05:39:05 -0000 > @@ -1,5 +1,11 @@ > 2002-04-23 Abel Cheung > =20 > + * src/status.c: Individual locale status page, courtesy of Joe Man > + . Differentiate between "no .po file" > + and "erroneous po file" as well. > + > +2002-04-23 Abel Cheung > + > * src/compile.sh: Fix for debian system. > =20 > 2002-04-23 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn > Index: gnome-i18n/status//src/status.c > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-i18n/status/src/status.c,v > retrieving revision 1.10 > diff -u -r1.10 status.c > --- gnome-i18n/status//src/status.c 17 Apr 2002 20:53:18 -0000 1.10 > +++ gnome-i18n/status//src/status.c 23 Apr 2002 05:39:06 -0000 > @@ -33,6 +33,11 @@ > =20 > #include "status.h" > =20 > +/* DOWNLOAD_MODULES: if you don't want to download from CVS (use local c= opy of > + * CVS tree), set this to 0. > + */ > +#define DOWNLOAD_MODULES 0 > + > /* FIXME: We should let change those values at runtime */ > #define CVS_CO_OPTIONS "cvs -q -d \":pserver:carlos@cvs.gnome.org:/cvs/g= nome\" co -P" > #define CVSROOTDIR "/home/carlos/cvs/" > @@ -104,6 +109,11 @@ > static gint *translated =3D NULL; > static gint *total =3D NULL; > =20 > +static gint *total_trans =3D NULL; > +static gint *total_fuzzy =3D NULL; > +static gint *total_untrans =3D NULL; > + > + > /* Mis funciones */ > gboolean > download_component (component *cmp) > @@ -383,7 +393,9 @@ > } > g_strfreev (tfu); > } else { > - g_warning ("Implement me!! (fill_translation)"); > + trans->translated =3D -1; > + trans->fuzzy =3D -1; > + trans->untranslated =3D -1; > } > } > } > @@ -394,6 +406,7 @@ > { > gchar *dir; > gchar *merge; > + gchar *copy; > DIR *podir; > struct dirent *direntry; > gchar **filesplit; > @@ -421,7 +434,22 @@ > filesplit[0]); > if (system (merge)) { > g_warning ("Unable to update the file %s at %s", > - direntry->d_name, dir); > + direntry->d_name, dir); > + > + /* copy po file even when mesmerge fails, so that broken > + * file is available in webpage for translator to fix. > + */ > + copy =3D g_strdup_printf ("cp -f %s %s/po/%s.%s.%s.po", > + direntry->d_name, HTMLROOTDIR, > + cmp->name, cmp->branch, filesplit[0]); > + if (system (copy)) { > + g_warning ("Unable to copy file %s to %s", > + direntry->d_name, dir); > + } else { > + currtrans =3D (translation *) g_new0 (translation, 1); > + fill_translation (currtrans, cmp, filesplit[0]); > + } > + g_free (copy); > } else { > currtrans =3D (translation *) g_new0 (translation, 1); > fill_translation (currtrans, cmp, filesplit[0]); > @@ -455,6 +483,8 @@ > cmp->translations =3D g_hash_table_new (g_str_hash, g_str_equal); > =20 > /* Download the component */ > +=09 > +#if DOWNLOAD_MODULES > if (cmp->download && !download_component (cmp)) { > if (strcmp (cmp->dir, "gnome-i18n")) { > g_warning ("Downloading: We have problems with %s.%s (module %s), ski= ped...", > @@ -464,7 +494,8 @@ > cmp->dir, cmp->name); > } > } > - > +#endif > +=09 > /* Regenerate the .pot file */ > if (cmp->regenerate && !regenerate_component_pot (cmp)) { > if (strcmp (cmp->dir, "gnome-i18n")) { > @@ -509,8 +540,8 @@ > locale =3D (gchar *) data; > html =3D (gchar **) user_data; > =20 > - //temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("%s", l= ocale, locale); > - temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%s\n", locale);=09 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%s\n", = locale, locale); > + //temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%s\n", locale);=09 > *html =3D g_strconcat (*html, temp, NULL); > g_free (temp); > } > @@ -523,10 +554,12 @@ > translation *ptrns; > gchar **html; > gchar *temp; > + gchar *poname; > gchar *modulelnk; > gchar *comment; > GList *llocale; > - > + struct stat buf; > +=09 > pcmp =3D (component *) data; > prelease =3D pcmp->release; > html =3D (gchar **) user_data; > @@ -542,23 +575,35 @@ > for (; llocale !=3D NULL; llocale =3D g_list_next (llocale)) { > ptrns =3D g_hash_table_lookup (pcmp->translations, llocale->data); > if ( ptrns =3D=3D NULL) { /* We don't have a translation */ > - temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t0\n", > - pcmp->name, pcmp->branch); > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\tN/A\n"); > total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pcmp->nstrin= gs; > + > } else { /* We have a translation for this locale */ > - gfloat stats; > =20 > - stats =3D ((gfloat) ptrns->translated / (gfloat) pcmp->nstrings)*100; > - temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%.2f\n", > - pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale, stats); > - translated[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns->= translated; > - total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns->trans= lated + ptrns->fuzzy + ptrns->untranslated; > + /* But if the translation is faulty... */ > + if ((ptrns->translated =3D=3D -1) && (ptrns->fuzzy =3D=3D -1) && (ptr= ns->untranslated =3D=3D -1)) { > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t"= \ > + "Error\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale); > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pcmp->nstri= ngs; > + > + } else { > + gfloat stats; > + > + stats =3D ((gfloat) ptrns->translated / (gfloat) pcmp->nstrings)*100= ; > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%.2f\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale, stats); > + translated[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns-= >translated; > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D > + ptrns->translated + ptrns->fuzzy + ptrns->untranslated; > + } > } > *html =3D g_strconcat (*html, temp, NULL); > g_free (temp); > } > =20 > *html =3D g_strconcat (*html, modulelnk, "\n", NULL); > + g_free (modulelnk); > } > =09 > /* > @@ -575,7 +620,7 @@ > GList *llocale; > GList *lcomponent; > component *cmp; > -=09 > + > =20 > prelease =3D (release *) value; > =20 > @@ -661,6 +706,195 @@ > =09 > } > =20 > + > + > +/* > + * Create individual HTML pages for every locale > + */ > +void > +generate_locale_html (gpointer key, gpointer value, gpointer user_data) > +{ > + release *prelease; > + gchar *html; > + gchar *temp; > + gchar *pdate; > + time_t date; > + GList *llocale; > +=09 > + GList *lcmp; > + translation *ptrns; > + component *pcmp; > +=09 > + gchar *temp_info; > + gchar *modulelnk; > + gchar *comment; > +=09 > + prelease =3D (release *) value; > + > + date =3D time (NULL); > + pdate =3D g_strdup (asctime (gmtime (&date))); > + /* Remove the '\n' char */ > + pdate[strlen (pdate) - 1] =3D 0; > + > + llocale =3D g_list_first (prelease->locales); > + for (; llocale !=3D NULL; llocale =3D g_list_next (llocale)) > + { > + gfloat stats; > + > + /* First we generate "static" section */ > + html =3D g_strdup_printf ("\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "%s (%s UTC)\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "
    \n"\ > + "

    %s
    %s (%s UTC)

    \n"\ > + "
    \n"\ > + "

    "\ > + "

    "\
> +					"%s"\
> +					"
    \n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\t\n", prelease->maintitle, pdate, prelease->mainti= tle,=20 > + (gchar *)llocale->data, pdate, prelease->mainhead); > + =09 > +=09 > + //g_list_foreach (prelease->locales, generate_release_locales_html, &h= tml); > + =09 > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\t\n", NULL); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\t\n", NULL); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\t\n", NULL); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\t\n\n", NULL); > +=09 > + translated =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + total =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + total_trans =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + total_fuzzy =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + total_untrans =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + =09 > + /*Process each module*/=09 > +=09 > + lcmp =3D g_list_first (prelease->components); > + for (; lcmp !=3D NULL; lcmp =3D g_list_next (lcmp)) > + { > + pcmp =3D (component *)lcmp->data; > + comment =3D g_strdup_printf ("\n\n", pcmp->name, pcmp->= branch); > + > + modulelnk =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", pcmp->name, > + pcmp->branch, pcmp->name); > +=09 > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, comment, "\n", modulelnk, NULL); > + > + g_free (comment); > + g_free (modulelnk); > + > + ptrns =3D g_hash_table_lookup (pcmp->translations, llocale->data); > + if ( ptrns =3D=3D NULL) /* We don't have a translation */ > + {=20 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n"\ > + "\t\n"\ > + "\t\n"); > + > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch); > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pcmp->nstri= ngs; > + }=20 > + else=20 > + { /* We have a translation for this locale */ > + > + /* But if the translation is faulty... */ > + if ((ptrns->translated =3D=3D -1) && (ptrns->fuzzy =3D=3D -1) && (pt= rns->untranslated =3D=3D -1)) { > + > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n"\ > + "\t\n"\ > + "\t\n"); > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale); > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pcmp->nstr= ings; > + > + } else { > + > + gfloat stats; > + > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", ptrns->t= ranslated); > + > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", ptr= ns->fuzzy); > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", ptr= ns->untranslated); > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + > + stats =3D ((gfloat) ptrns->translated / (gfloat) pcmp->nstrings)*10= 0; > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale, stats); > + translated[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns= ->translated; > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns->tra= nslated + ptrns->fuzzy +=20 > + ptrns->untranslated; > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + > + total_trans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrn= s->translated; > + total_fuzzy[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrn= s->fuzzy; > + total_untrans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pt= rns->untranslated; > + > + } > + } > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + g_free (temp); > + g_free (temp_info); > + } > + =09 > +=09 > + /*end process each module */ > +=09 > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "= \n\t\n", NULL); > + =09 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n",=20 > + total_trans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)]); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + =09 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n",=20 > + total_fuzzy[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)]); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + =09 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n",=20 > + total_untrans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)]); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + > + stats =3D ((gfloat) translated[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llo= cale)] / > + (gfloat) total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)])*100; > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", stats); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "
    ModuleTranslatedFuzzyUntranslated%
    %s
    N/AN/AN/AN/A= ErrorErrorErrorError%d%d%d%.2f
    Total%d%d%d%.2f
    \n", NULL); > + > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\n", NULL); > + > + /* TODO: We should made a new function with this code */ > + { > + FILE *htmlpage; > + gchar *locale; > + > + locale =3D (gchar *)llocale->data; > + /*g_print("filename: %s\n", locale);*/ > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf (HTMLROOTDIR "/%s.html", locale); > + htmlpage =3D fopen (temp, "w"); > + if (fwrite (html, strlen (html), 1, htmlpage) !=3D 1) { > + g_warning ("We couldn't write %s.html!!", locale); > + } > + } > + g_free (temp); > + > + } > + g_free (pdate); > +} > + > + > + > void > process_module (gpointer data, gpointer user_data) > { > @@ -709,6 +943,8 @@ > g_list_foreach (modules, process_module, NULL); > =20 > g_hash_table_foreach (releases, generate_release_html, NULL); > + =20 > + g_hash_table_foreach (releases, generate_locale_html, NULL); > =20 > exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); > } /* main */ --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-IMn2zBe5ojcfrFm3hdSr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xQuoEuPMamD5V9cRAuYQAJwJDT1TGm+PxUgVI/QJ5D8jkggnpgCghc+9 ivlFxnGWB00QxEwYEoCoNfw= =nT3P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-IMn2zBe5ojcfrFm3hdSr-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Tue Apr 23 11:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3DB180D8 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A823F78A38; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:49:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [Gnome-i18n] Inviditual locale status page From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Abel Cheung Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-7V40t5yjG1KDChgU17Qj" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 23 Apr 2002 17:49:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1019576946.600.12.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-7V40t5yjG1KDChgU17Qj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really love this patch and I will rebuild today status pages with this patch applied. The only change I think we should do is that the N/A should be a link to the .pot file. We have lots of locales and without it people can not see the module that they have not translated. What do you think? Cheers. El mar, 23-04-2002 a las 07:49, Abel Cheung escribi=F3: >=20 > Thanks to Joe Man, my CVS tree has a status generation .c > file that can provide invididual status for each locale > for Gnome 2.x translation, in addition to the global > status page. >=20 > But this change is a bit big, so I don't want the change > to go uninspected before committed/rejected. For sample, > you can see > http://i18n.deaddog.org/~maddog/gnome-status/unstable/status.shtml, > then click on the links to each locale. >=20 > In particular, it's reported that carlos is working on > the status regeneration too, so I don't want to mess up > with his work. >=20 > Abel >=20 > PS Perhaps my previous email was unclear, so I put this > into seperate email. >=20 > --=20 > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc > ---- >=20 > Index: gnome-i18n/status//ChangeLog > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-i18n/status/ChangeLog,v > retrieving revision 1.117 > diff -u -r1.117 ChangeLog > --- gnome-i18n/status//ChangeLog 23 Apr 2002 03:56:43 -0000 1.117 > +++ gnome-i18n/status//ChangeLog 23 Apr 2002 05:39:05 -0000 > @@ -1,5 +1,11 @@ > 2002-04-23 Abel Cheung > =20 > + * src/status.c: Individual locale status page, courtesy of Joe Man > + . Differentiate between "no .po file" > + and "erroneous po file" as well. > + > +2002-04-23 Abel Cheung > + > * src/compile.sh: Fix for debian system. > =20 > 2002-04-23 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn > Index: gnome-i18n/status//src/status.c > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-i18n/status/src/status.c,v > retrieving revision 1.10 > diff -u -r1.10 status.c > --- gnome-i18n/status//src/status.c 17 Apr 2002 20:53:18 -0000 1.10 > +++ gnome-i18n/status//src/status.c 23 Apr 2002 05:39:06 -0000 > @@ -33,6 +33,11 @@ > =20 > #include "status.h" > =20 > +/* DOWNLOAD_MODULES: if you don't want to download from CVS (use local c= opy of > + * CVS tree), set this to 0. > + */ > +#define DOWNLOAD_MODULES 0 > + > /* FIXME: We should let change those values at runtime */ > #define CVS_CO_OPTIONS "cvs -q -d \":pserver:carlos@cvs.gnome.org:/cvs/g= nome\" co -P" > #define CVSROOTDIR "/home/carlos/cvs/" > @@ -104,6 +109,11 @@ > static gint *translated =3D NULL; > static gint *total =3D NULL; > =20 > +static gint *total_trans =3D NULL; > +static gint *total_fuzzy =3D NULL; > +static gint *total_untrans =3D NULL; > + > + > /* Mis funciones */ > gboolean > download_component (component *cmp) > @@ -383,7 +393,9 @@ > } > g_strfreev (tfu); > } else { > - g_warning ("Implement me!! (fill_translation)"); > + trans->translated =3D -1; > + trans->fuzzy =3D -1; > + trans->untranslated =3D -1; > } > } > } > @@ -394,6 +406,7 @@ > { > gchar *dir; > gchar *merge; > + gchar *copy; > DIR *podir; > struct dirent *direntry; > gchar **filesplit; > @@ -421,7 +434,22 @@ > filesplit[0]); > if (system (merge)) { > g_warning ("Unable to update the file %s at %s", > - direntry->d_name, dir); > + direntry->d_name, dir); > + > + /* copy po file even when mesmerge fails, so that broken > + * file is available in webpage for translator to fix. > + */ > + copy =3D g_strdup_printf ("cp -f %s %s/po/%s.%s.%s.po", > + direntry->d_name, HTMLROOTDIR, > + cmp->name, cmp->branch, filesplit[0]); > + if (system (copy)) { > + g_warning ("Unable to copy file %s to %s", > + direntry->d_name, dir); > + } else { > + currtrans =3D (translation *) g_new0 (translation, 1); > + fill_translation (currtrans, cmp, filesplit[0]); > + } > + g_free (copy); > } else { > currtrans =3D (translation *) g_new0 (translation, 1); > fill_translation (currtrans, cmp, filesplit[0]); > @@ -455,6 +483,8 @@ > cmp->translations =3D g_hash_table_new (g_str_hash, g_str_equal); > =20 > /* Download the component */ > +=09 > +#if DOWNLOAD_MODULES > if (cmp->download && !download_component (cmp)) { > if (strcmp (cmp->dir, "gnome-i18n")) { > g_warning ("Downloading: We have problems with %s.%s (module %s), ski= ped...", > @@ -464,7 +494,8 @@ > cmp->dir, cmp->name); > } > } > - > +#endif > +=09 > /* Regenerate the .pot file */ > if (cmp->regenerate && !regenerate_component_pot (cmp)) { > if (strcmp (cmp->dir, "gnome-i18n")) { > @@ -509,8 +540,8 @@ > locale =3D (gchar *) data; > html =3D (gchar **) user_data; > =20 > - //temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("%s", l= ocale, locale); > - temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%s\n", locale);=09 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%s\n", = locale, locale); > + //temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%s\n", locale);=09 > *html =3D g_strconcat (*html, temp, NULL); > g_free (temp); > } > @@ -523,10 +554,12 @@ > translation *ptrns; > gchar **html; > gchar *temp; > + gchar *poname; > gchar *modulelnk; > gchar *comment; > GList *llocale; > - > + struct stat buf; > +=09 > pcmp =3D (component *) data; > prelease =3D pcmp->release; > html =3D (gchar **) user_data; > @@ -542,23 +575,35 @@ > for (; llocale !=3D NULL; llocale =3D g_list_next (llocale)) { > ptrns =3D g_hash_table_lookup (pcmp->translations, llocale->data); > if ( ptrns =3D=3D NULL) { /* We don't have a translation */ > - temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t0\n", > - pcmp->name, pcmp->branch); > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\tN/A\n"); > total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pcmp->nstrin= gs; > + > } else { /* We have a translation for this locale */ > - gfloat stats; > =20 > - stats =3D ((gfloat) ptrns->translated / (gfloat) pcmp->nstrings)*100; > - temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%.2f\n", > - pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale, stats); > - translated[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns->= translated; > - total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns->trans= lated + ptrns->fuzzy + ptrns->untranslated; > + /* But if the translation is faulty... */ > + if ((ptrns->translated =3D=3D -1) && (ptrns->fuzzy =3D=3D -1) && (ptr= ns->untranslated =3D=3D -1)) { > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t"= \ > + "Error\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale); > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pcmp->nstri= ngs; > + > + } else { > + gfloat stats; > + > + stats =3D ((gfloat) ptrns->translated / (gfloat) pcmp->nstrings)*100= ; > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t%.2f\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale, stats); > + translated[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns-= >translated; > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D > + ptrns->translated + ptrns->fuzzy + ptrns->untranslated; > + } > } > *html =3D g_strconcat (*html, temp, NULL); > g_free (temp); > } > =20 > *html =3D g_strconcat (*html, modulelnk, "\n", NULL); > + g_free (modulelnk); > } > =09 > /* > @@ -575,7 +620,7 @@ > GList *llocale; > GList *lcomponent; > component *cmp; > -=09 > + > =20 > prelease =3D (release *) value; > =20 > @@ -661,6 +706,195 @@ > =09 > } > =20 > + > + > +/* > + * Create individual HTML pages for every locale > + */ > +void > +generate_locale_html (gpointer key, gpointer value, gpointer user_data) > +{ > + release *prelease; > + gchar *html; > + gchar *temp; > + gchar *pdate; > + time_t date; > + GList *llocale; > +=09 > + GList *lcmp; > + translation *ptrns; > + component *pcmp; > +=09 > + gchar *temp_info; > + gchar *modulelnk; > + gchar *comment; > +=09 > + prelease =3D (release *) value; > + > + date =3D time (NULL); > + pdate =3D g_strdup (asctime (gmtime (&date))); > + /* Remove the '\n' char */ > + pdate[strlen (pdate) - 1] =3D 0; > + > + llocale =3D g_list_first (prelease->locales); > + for (; llocale !=3D NULL; llocale =3D g_list_next (llocale)) > + { > + gfloat stats; > + > + /* First we generate "static" section */ > + html =3D g_strdup_printf ("\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "%s (%s UTC)\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "
    \n"\ > + "

    %s
    %s (%s UTC)

    \n"\ > + "
    \n"\ > + "

    "\ > + "

    "\
> +					"%s"\
> +					"
    \n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\n"\ > + "\t\n", prelease->maintitle, pdate, prelease->mainti= tle,=20 > + (gchar *)llocale->data, pdate, prelease->mainhead); > + =09 > +=09 > + //g_list_foreach (prelease->locales, generate_release_locales_html, &h= tml); > + =09 > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\t\n", NULL); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\t\n", NULL); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\t\n", NULL); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\t\n\n", NULL); > +=09 > + translated =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + total =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + total_trans =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + total_fuzzy =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + total_untrans =3D g_new0 (guint, g_list_length (prelease->locales)); > + =09 > + /*Process each module*/=09 > +=09 > + lcmp =3D g_list_first (prelease->components); > + for (; lcmp !=3D NULL; lcmp =3D g_list_next (lcmp)) > + { > + pcmp =3D (component *)lcmp->data; > + comment =3D g_strdup_printf ("\n\n", pcmp->name, pcmp->= branch); > + > + modulelnk =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", pcmp->name, > + pcmp->branch, pcmp->name); > +=09 > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, comment, "\n", modulelnk, NULL); > + > + g_free (comment); > + g_free (modulelnk); > + > + ptrns =3D g_hash_table_lookup (pcmp->translations, llocale->data); > + if ( ptrns =3D=3D NULL) /* We don't have a translation */ > + {=20 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n"\ > + "\t\n"\ > + "\t\n"); > + > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch); > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pcmp->nstri= ngs; > + }=20 > + else=20 > + { /* We have a translation for this locale */ > + > + /* But if the translation is faulty... */ > + if ((ptrns->translated =3D=3D -1) && (ptrns->fuzzy =3D=3D -1) && (pt= rns->untranslated =3D=3D -1)) { > + > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n"\ > + "\t\n"\ > + "\t\n"); > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale); > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pcmp->nstr= ings; > + > + } else { > + > + gfloat stats; > + > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", ptrns->t= ranslated); > + > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", ptr= ns->fuzzy); > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", ptr= ns->untranslated); > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + > + stats =3D ((gfloat) ptrns->translated / (gfloat) pcmp->nstrings)*10= 0; > + temp_info =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", > + pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale, stats); > + translated[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns= ->translated; > + total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrns->tra= nslated + ptrns->fuzzy +=20 > + ptrns->untranslated; > + temp =3D g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); > + > + total_trans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrn= s->translated; > + total_fuzzy[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D ptrn= s->fuzzy; > + total_untrans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] +=3D pt= rns->untranslated; > + > + } > + } > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + g_free (temp); > + g_free (temp_info); > + } > + =09 > +=09 > + /*end process each module */ > +=09 > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "= \n\t\n", NULL); > + =09 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n",=20 > + total_trans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)]); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + =09 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n",=20 > + total_fuzzy[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)]); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + =09 > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n",=20 > + total_untrans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)]); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + > + stats =3D ((gfloat) translated[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llo= cale)] / > + (gfloat) total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)])*100; > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf ("\t\n", stats); > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, temp, NULL); > + > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "
    ModuleTranslatedFuzzyUntranslated%
    %s
    N/AN/AN/AN/A= ErrorErrorErrorError%d%d%d%.2f
    Total%d%d%d%.2f
    \n", NULL); > + > + html =3D g_strconcat (html, "\n", NULL); > + > + /* TODO: We should made a new function with this code */ > + { > + FILE *htmlpage; > + gchar *locale; > + > + locale =3D (gchar *)llocale->data; > + /*g_print("filename: %s\n", locale);*/ > + temp =3D g_strdup_printf (HTMLROOTDIR "/%s.html", locale); > + htmlpage =3D fopen (temp, "w"); > + if (fwrite (html, strlen (html), 1, htmlpage) !=3D 1) { > + g_warning ("We couldn't write %s.html!!", locale); > + } > + } > + g_free (temp); > + > + } > + g_free (pdate); > +} > + > + > + > void > process_module (gpointer data, gpointer user_data) > { > @@ -709,6 +943,8 @@ > g_list_foreach (modules, process_module, NULL); > =20 > g_hash_table_foreach (releases, generate_release_html, NULL); > + =20 > + g_hash_table_foreach (releases, generate_locale_html, NULL); > =20 > exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); > } /* main */ --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-7V40t5yjG1KDChgU17Qj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xYJxEuPMamD5V9cRAhaPAJ935mIy7z+lXjx1+0BrALEPgGo6NQCgihRI 5atPyc/I4dpSrN2B+//cYxc= =4TAS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-7V40t5yjG1KDChgU17Qj-- From happyguy_pt@hotmail.com Tue Apr 23 21:10:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f66.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BE218343 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:10:06 -0700 Received: from 194.65.14.67 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:10:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.65.14.67] From: "Duarte Loreto" To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: About modules for 1.4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:10:06 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2002 01:10:06.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5751E80:01C1EB2C] Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! Kmaraas requested update translations for 1.4.1 release. I would like to do those but... Which modules should I update for the 1.4.1 release? Are the ones on the old status page still valid? Or should I look elsewhere? Could anyone post the module list and/or a link to a place where this list exists? I thank you in advance! Duarte "HappyGuy" Loreto "Don't worry, be happy!" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From maddog@linux.org.hk Wed Apr 24 05:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5807A18E3E for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 170ImI-0006ml-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:09:30 +0800 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:09:27 +0800 (HKT) From: Abel Cheung To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: [Gnome-i18n] Inviditual locale status page In-Reply-To: <1019576946.600.12.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 23 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > I really love this patch and I will rebuild today status pages with this > patch applied. >=20 > The only change I think we should do is that the N/A should be a link to > the .pot file. We have lots of locales and without it people can not see > the module that they have not translated. >=20 > What do you think? Yes, this is perfectly ok. You're correct. OTOH, I start to think that the locale of machine used to generate stat (is it w.g.o?) can affect the outcome. From the build log,=20 tamil (ta) po files failed completely during msgmerge. I have privately generated stat pages; even it is still reported as an error (tamil is non-portable or something like that), msgmerge can at least merge it with latest pot file. Or does the gettext version (I use 0.10.40) has anything to do with this? Abel > Cheers. From carlos@gnome-db.org Wed Apr 24 06:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E64E18791 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F86785D3; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [Gnome-i18n] Inviditual locale status page From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Abel Cheung Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-3pmE/xRX1AHYGjwUeiad" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 24 Apr 2002 12:11:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1019643081.428.8.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-3pmE/xRX1AHYGjwUeiad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mi=E9, 24-04-2002 a las 11:09, Abel Cheung escribi=F3: > On 23 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: >=20 > > I really love this patch and I will rebuild today status pages with thi= s > > patch applied. > >=20 > > The only change I think we should do is that the N/A should be a link t= o > > the .pot file. We have lots of locales and without it people can not se= e > > the module that they have not translated. > >=20 > > What do you think? >=20 > Yes, this is perfectly ok. You're correct. >=20 > OTOH, I start to think that the locale of machine used to generate > stat (is it w.g.o?) can affect the outcome. From the build log,=20 > tamil (ta) po files failed completely during msgmerge. I have privately > generated stat pages; even it is still reported as an error (tamil is > non-portable or something like that), msgmerge can at least merge it > with latest pot file. >=20 > Or does the gettext version (I use 0.10.40) has anything to do with > this? At widget I'm using gettext 0.11. I think that it's a gettext problem. >=20 > Abel >=20 >=20 > > Cheers. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-3pmE/xRX1AHYGjwUeiad Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xoTIEuPMamD5V9cRAsFCAJ4ovjdIEt/N2ZzZ+V6eDiCP7H+RbQCggLMz OmV7hepTUGShltlyAaW/nI4= =thGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-3pmE/xRX1AHYGjwUeiad-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Wed Apr 24 06:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D303918D4B for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B048785D3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:13:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: GNOME i18n list Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Cq5tDio384WJIWAyUGP4" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 24 Apr 2002 12:13:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-Cq5tDio384WJIWAyUGP4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian Potato or RedHat 6.2). What do you think? Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? Cheers. --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-Cq5tDio384WJIWAyUGP4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xoVfEuPMamD5V9cRAlpdAJ9Gs8V7A06jHjHMBYmWHaL1fd3cQwCdH6gn PUK1dQ1uDGuBOxGQ1YJy7io= =PYZ4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Cq5tDio384WJIWAyUGP4-- From simos74@gmx.net Wed Apr 24 09:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk (unknown [134.219.20.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B917618EA2 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from user@localhost) by pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g3ODAeX08912; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:10:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk: user set sender to simos74@gmx.net using -f Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Simos Xenitellis To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.4 Date: 24 Apr 2002 14:10:40 +0100 Message-Id: <1019653840.8872.3.camel@pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: =CE=A4=CE=B7=CE=BD =CE=A4=CE=B5=CF=84, 24-04-2002 =CF=83=CF=84=CE=B9=CF=82 = 11:13, =CE=BF/=CE=B7 Carlos Perell=C3=B3 Mar=C3=ADn =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE= =B1=CF=88=CE=B5: > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian > Potato or RedHat 6.2). >=20 > What do you think? >=20 > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? That would be a good idea. I would suggst however to verify that the encoding for each file goes well. The current scripts (from CVS:gnome-i18n/UTF-8) abort when they find illegal ISO-8859-?, thus corrupting the translation. An appropriate solution would be to empty the translation that does not convert or signal the mistake. simos From carlos@gnome-db.org Wed Apr 24 09:21:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14401827B for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585FA789BF; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:21:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Simos Xenitellis Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019653840.8872.3.camel@pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk> References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <1019653840.8872.3.camel@pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-sD9RnmmjrUZggUvFv8Sn" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 24 Apr 2002 15:21:53 +0200 Message-Id: <1019654513.428.50.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-sD9RnmmjrUZggUvFv8Sn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mi=C3=A9, 24-04-2002 a las 15:10, Simos Xenitellis escribi=C3=B3: > =CE=A4=CE=B7=CE=BD =CE=A4=CE=B5=CF=84, 24-04-2002 =CF=83=CF=84=CE=B9=CF= =82 11:13, =CE=BF/=CE=B7 Carlos Perell=C3=B3 Mar=C3=ADn =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81= =CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5: > > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the > > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian > > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > >=20 > > What do you think? > >=20 > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? >=20 > That would be a good idea. >=20 > I would suggst however to verify that the encoding for each file goes > well. The current scripts (from CVS:gnome-i18n/UTF-8) abort when they > find illegal ISO-8859-?, thus corrupting the translation. > An appropriate solution would be to empty the translation that does not > convert or signal the mistake. It could be a pain, but I will try to do it by hand so I will send an email to language team if I see an error, if they doesn't answer me in about one week I will remove the translation. It's ok for all of you? I will do it this weekend so tell me any problems you have with this before saturday please. Cheers. >=20 > simos > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=C3=B3 Mar=C3=ADn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-sD9RnmmjrUZggUvFv8Sn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xrFxEuPMamD5V9cRAu3HAJ9+x27eX1Z8y2xTYfh0OXddzqjpwQCeMOND 1LcmzdJXf233Nhy51m3CEdE= =n3Kw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-sD9RnmmjrUZggUvFv8Sn-- From keld@rap.rap.dk Wed Apr 24 09:34:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from rap.rap.dk (213.237.47.228.adsl.vbr.worldonline.dk [213.237.47.228]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5545818E8B for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rap.rap.dk (Postfix, from userid 500) id DF6852E2A; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:34:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:34:28 +0200 From: Keld =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files Message-ID: <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > > What do you think? > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? I think it would create some problems. I have experienced quite a lot of problems with utf-8 files, because they are not adhered to. That is, many make modifications to utf-8 files in another charset, eg iso-8859-1. And then one has to remedy these errors. I have lost quite some hours on that account. It has been discussed before and the conclusion was also then to not do it. Best regards keld From carlos@gnome-db.org Wed Apr 24 09:41:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166A818B8F for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BA578489; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Keld =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-5emqglIzwagY35TJzEYk" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 24 Apr 2002 15:41:00 +0200 Message-Id: <1019655660.495.58.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-5emqglIzwagY35TJzEYk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mi=E9, 24-04-2002 a las 15:34, Keld J=F8rn Simonsen escribi=F3: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the > > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian > > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > >=20 > > What do you think? > >=20 > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? >=20 > I think it would create some problems. I have experienced > quite a lot of problems with utf-8 files, because they > are not adhered to. That is, many make modifications > to utf-8 files in another charset, eg iso-8859-1. > And then one has to remedy these errors. I have lost > quite some hours on that account.=20 >=20 > It has been discussed before and the conclusion > was also then to not do it. >=20 But we need it as UTF8 at release time... We can add a script at cvs.gnome.org to check for a valid .po file, if the file is not well enconded the commit can fail. Cheers. > Best regards > keld --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-5emqglIzwagY35TJzEYk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xrXsEuPMamD5V9cRAqlKAJ9Ig4MR6Om4BaFhd+Bgl27xiDhAHACePOVw mf9wYs+WGtP64tK/jNjrDWs= =t7aV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-5emqglIzwagY35TJzEYk-- From kmaraas@online.no Wed Apr 24 09:48:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from sevilla.gnome.no (213-145-181-201.dd.nextgentel.com [213.145.181.201]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8AE188FB for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kmaraas@localhost) by sevilla.gnome.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3OFlh812867; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:47:43 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: sevilla.gnome.no: kmaraas set sender to kmaraas@online.no using -f Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Kjartan Maraas To: Keld =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen Cc: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 24 Apr 2002 17:47:42 +0200 Message-Id: <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ons, 2002-04-24 kl. 15:34 skrev Keld J=F8rn Simonsen: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the > > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian > > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > >=20 > > What do you think? > >=20 > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? >=20 > I think it would create some problems. I have experienced > quite a lot of problems with utf-8 files, because they > are not adhered to. That is, many make modifications > to utf-8 files in another charset, eg iso-8859-1. > And then one has to remedy these errors. I have lost > quite some hours on that account.=20 >=20 I was skeptical to begin with too, but after upgrading to emacs-21 which supports UTF-8 in po-mode I've never looked back. :) The only time I've had problems when editing files with non-UTF8 aware editors is while editing actual 8-bit chars, which makes it loose the encoding. Cheers Kjartan From keld@rap.rap.dk Wed Apr 24 09:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from rap.rap.dk (213.237.47.228.adsl.vbr.worldonline.dk [213.237.47.228]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CC018EB0 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rap.rap.dk (Postfix, from userid 500) id 14CA12E2A; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:56:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:56:48 +0200 From: Keld =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: Keld =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files Message-ID: <20020424135648.GB25628@rap.rap.dk> References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019655660.495.58.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1019655660.495.58.camel@frodo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 03:41:00PM +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > El mié, 24-04-2002 a las 15:34, Keld Jørn Simonsen escribió: > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > > > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the > > > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > > > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian > > > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? > > > > I think it would create some problems. I have experienced > > quite a lot of problems with utf-8 files, because they > > are not adhered to. That is, many make modifications > > to utf-8 files in another charset, eg iso-8859-1. > > And then one has to remedy these errors. I have lost > > quite some hours on that account. > > > > It has been discussed before and the conclusion > > was also then to not do it. > > > > > But we need it as UTF8 at release time... > > We can add a script at cvs.gnome.org to check for a valid .po file, if > the file is not well enconded the commit can fail. Why do we need it as utf8 at release time? gettext can handle all kinds of conversion even utf8 and we said before that there was no need to have everything in utf8 as a source encoding. For me and many others it is just a nuisance to convert back and forth to utf8. And it is a source of errors, an unneccesary source of errors. Keld From keld@rap.rap.dk Wed Apr 24 10:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from rap.rap.dk (213.237.47.228.adsl.vbr.worldonline.dk [213.237.47.228]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E82C18E1F for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rap.rap.dk (Postfix, from userid 500) id 61E542E2A; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:02:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:02:32 +0200 From: Keld =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen To: Kjartan Maraas Cc: Keld =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen , Carlos =?iso-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files Message-ID: <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 05:47:42PM +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > ons, 2002-04-24 kl. 15:34 skrev Keld Jørn Simonsen: > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > > > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the > > > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > > > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian > > > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? > > > > I think it would create some problems. I have experienced > > quite a lot of problems with utf-8 files, because they > > are not adhered to. That is, many make modifications > > to utf-8 files in another charset, eg iso-8859-1. > > And then one has to remedy these errors. I have lost > > quite some hours on that account. > > > > I was skeptical to begin with too, but after upgrading to emacs-21 which > supports UTF-8 in po-mode I've never looked back. :) > > The only time I've had problems when editing files with non-UTF8 aware > editors is while editing actual 8-bit chars, which makes it loose the > encoding. I am not going to change to emacs. And I am not just talking about myself, but we are about 10 people doing translations to danish and some are not so experienced. Shifting from iso-8859-1 will not go on without errors here. And there is no need to shift to utf-8, as gettext can treat all other encodings automatically with conversion to utf-8 if neccessary. Best regards keld From carlos@gnome-db.org Wed Apr 24 10:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D916718EC3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354F978A3B; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Keld =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen Cc: Kjartan Maraas , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-STCtz4KJq3BBZCwn9jvv" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 24 Apr 2002 16:15:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-STCtz4KJq3BBZCwn9jvv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mi=E9, 24-04-2002 a las 16:02, Keld J=F8rn Simonsen escribi=F3: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 05:47:42PM +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > > ons, 2002-04-24 kl. 15:34 skrev Keld J=F8rn Simonsen: > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wr= ote: > > > > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before t= he > > > > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > > > > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debia= n > > > > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > > > >=20 > > > > What do you think? > > > >=20 > > > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? > > >=20 > > > I think it would create some problems. I have experienced > > > quite a lot of problems with utf-8 files, because they > > > are not adhered to. That is, many make modifications > > > to utf-8 files in another charset, eg iso-8859-1. > > > And then one has to remedy these errors. I have lost > > > quite some hours on that account.=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > I was skeptical to begin with too, but after upgrading to emacs-21 whic= h > > supports UTF-8 in po-mode I've never looked back. :) > >=20 > > The only time I've had problems when editing files with non-UTF8 aware > > editors is while editing actual 8-bit chars, which makes it loose the > > encoding. >=20 > I am not going to change to emacs. And I am not just talking about > myself, but we are about 10 people doing translations to > danish and some are not so experienced. Shifting from iso-8859-1 > will not go on without errors here. >=20 > And there is no need to shift to utf-8, as gettext can treat > all other encodings automatically with conversion to utf-8 > if neccessary. As we told some time ago, this only happens with the new glibc versions, all RedHat 6.2, Debian Potato and systems like those ones does NOT handle the gettext catalog this way so you need that they use UTF8 encoded catalogs. I don't know if it happens also with systems without glibc (Solaris, FreeBSD, and others) If you want to do the encoding at compile time, please, show me a clean way to do it and It will be perfect for me, but we should add it to all modules now. Cheers. >=20 > Best regards > keld --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-STCtz4KJq3BBZCwn9jvv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xr4PEuPMamD5V9cRAmQ5AJ0Ur0u4Gnjg0w02EZgtsWrqBt0eYACfaxqp OkPHYzXSlX5xoa0ccY/ErDo= =wiAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-STCtz4KJq3BBZCwn9jvv-- From ke@gnu.franken.de Wed Apr 24 15:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B9518EEA for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 170SX5-0004ov-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:34:27 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 7BBF3A43E4; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:31:33 +0200 (CEST) To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: Keld =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen , Kjartan Maraas , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> In-Reply-To: <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> (Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn's?= message of "24 Apr 2002 16:15:43 +0200") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:31:33 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > If you want to do the encoding at compile time, please, show me a > clean way to do it and It will be perfect for me, but we should add it > to all modules now. I told you how to do it some months ago -- please, check the archive. Now, since gettext 0.11.x is out, it's a snap using 'msgconv'. Kjartan, Emacs 21 has serious issues concerning UTF-8 editing; Emacs from CVS (HEAD) is usable concerning UTF-8 as long as want to edit European like languages. --=20 ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From maddog@maddog.lan Wed Apr 24 15:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [203.168.221.108]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE11D18EEA for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4AB49D1232; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:47:25 +0800 (HKT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:47:25 +0800 From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files Message-ID: <20020424194725.GA13263@deaddog.org> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME i18n list References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2002-04-24(Wed) 21:31:33 +0200, Karl Eichwalder wrote: > Carlos Perell? Mar?n writes: >=20 > > If you want to do the encoding at compile time, please, show me a > > clean way to do it and It will be perfect for me, but we should add it > > to all modules now. >=20 > I told you how to do it some months ago -- please, check the archive. > Now, since gettext 0.11.x is out, it's a snap using 'msgconv'. Problem is, people who installed gettext 0.11.x is minority -- even less than those who have glibc >=3D 2.1. Modify all gnome modules to bundle gettext 0.11.x sounds like too late here. Abel > Kjartan, Emacs 21 has serious issues concerning UTF-8 editing; Emacs > from CVS (HEAD) is usable concerning UTF-8 as long as want to edit > European like languages. --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xwvNQVLh8cZxhv8RArQHAKC+Be5LBa9pCLYK2NiqDuXAh2uXiQCeMlrn oCS8JlnvBGnm8LezVNbLaTs= =nWRy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Wed Apr 24 15:52:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334511842F for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371BD78A3D; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Karl Eichwalder Cc: Keld =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen , Kjartan Maraas , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+jkefEHUfrHuCLMVUDXn" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 24 Apr 2002 21:52:36 +0200 Message-Id: <1019677956.508.73.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-+jkefEHUfrHuCLMVUDXn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mi=E9, 24-04-2002 a las 21:31, Karl Eichwalder escribi=F3: > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: >=20 > > If you want to do the encoding at compile time, please, show me a > > clean way to do it and It will be perfect for me, but we should add it > > to all modules now. >=20 > I told you how to do it some months ago -- please, check the archive. > Now, since gettext 0.11.x is out, it's a snap using 'msgconv'. >=20 Yes, I know the command but my automake/autoconf is really basic. Kenneth is there any chance to integrate it into intltool's .m4 and generate the .mo after encoding the .po as UTF8? > Kjartan, Emacs 21 has serious issues concerning UTF-8 editing; Emacs > from CVS (HEAD) is usable concerning UTF-8 as long as want to edit > European like languages. I don't use emacs so I cannot help here. Sorry. >=20 > --=20 > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-+jkefEHUfrHuCLMVUDXn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8xw0DEuPMamD5V9cRAsclAJ9s4nVvQMUbkYcCOgQiNGco6hKfggCfdfFJ lYheaBi/jeXM+mz0bedZNV4= =48sZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+jkefEHUfrHuCLMVUDXn-- From olau@hardworking.dk Wed Apr 24 17:06:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from fe030.worldonline.dk (fe030.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.197]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DE9B18342 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3702 invoked by uid 0); 24 Apr 2002 21:06:03 -0000 Received: from 103.ppp1-6.hob.worldonline.dk (HELO bach.composers) (212.54.87.231) by fe030.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 21:06:03 -0000 Received: from ole by bach.composers with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 170TrG-00011V-00 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:59:22 +0200 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> From: Ole Laursen Date: 24 Apr 2002 22:59:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87k7qwlsnu.fsf@bach.composers> Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Karl Eichwalder writes: > Kjartan, Emacs 21 has serious issues concerning UTF-8 editing; Emacs > from CVS (HEAD) is usable concerning UTF-8 as long as want to edit > European like languages. Doesn't sound terrible nice - what's supposed to be wrong with it? I have been using it for editing in Danish for quite some time without any troubles? -- Ole Laursen http://sunsite.dk/olau/ From dave@ximian.com Wed Apr 24 20:30:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B51019044 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24736 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 00:30:32 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO drizzt.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 00:30:32 -0000 Subject: mnemonics patch From: Dave Camp To: nautilus-list@eazel.com Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-1FdypjlYJyb5pc+rwtno" Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 24 Apr 2002 20:28:07 -0400 Message-Id: <1019694514.1377.38.camel@drizzt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-1FdypjlYJyb5pc+rwtno Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This adds mnemonics to things in the preferences dialog and the bookmarks dialog. Mixed in there somewhere I added an atk relation between the location entry and its label. --=-1FdypjlYJyb5pc+rwtno Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus-mnemonics.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; name=nautilus-mnemonics.patch; charset=ISO-8859-1 ? nautilus-mnemonics.patch Index: ChangeLog =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.5241 diff -u -r1.5241 ChangeLog --- ChangeLog 24 Apr 2002 14:40:35 -0000 1.5241 +++ ChangeLog 25 Apr 2002 00:15:35 -0000 @@ -1,3 +1,11 @@ +2002-04-24 Dave Camp + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c: + * src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c: (create_bookmarks_window): + * src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c: Added mnemonics. + * src/nautilus-location-bar.c: (nautilus_location_bar_init): Added + a relation between the Location label and entry. + 2002-04-24 Jody Goldberg =20 * src/file-manager/fm-list-model.c Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferenc= es.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -r1.197 nautilus-global-preferences.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c 20 Apr 2002 21:11:26 = -0000 1.197 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c 25 Apr 2002 00:15:40 = -0000 @@ -134,11 +134,11 @@ =20 static EelEnumerationEntry click_policy_enum_entries[] =3D { { "single", - N_("Activate items with a single click"), + N_("Activate items with a _single click"), NAUTILUS_CLICK_POLICY_SINGLE }, { "double", - N_("Activate items with a double click"), + N_("Activate items with a _double click"), NAUTILUS_CLICK_POLICY_DOUBLE }, { NULL } @@ -146,15 +146,15 @@ =20 static EelEnumerationEntry executable_text_activation_enum_entries[] =3D { { "launch", - N_("Execute files when they are clicked"), + N_("E_xecute files when they are clicked"), NAUTILUS_EXECUTABLE_TEXT_LAUNCH }, { "display", - N_("Display files when they are clicked"), + N_("Display _files when they are clicked"), NAUTILUS_EXECUTABLE_TEXT_DISPLAY }, { "ask", - N_("Ask each time"), + N_("_Ask each time"), NAUTILUS_EXECUTABLE_TEXT_ASK }, { NULL } Index: src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.63 diff -u -r1.63 nautilus-bookmarks-window.c --- src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c 7 Mar 2002 19:36:03 -0000 1.63 +++ src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c 25 Apr 2002 00:15:40 -0000 @@ -204,7 +204,7 @@ gtk_widget_show (vbox3); gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (right_side), vbox3, FALSE, FALSE, 0); =20 - name_label =3D gtk_label_new (_("Name")); + name_label =3D gtk_label_new_with_mnemonic (_("_Name")); gtk_widget_show (name_label); gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox3), name_label, FALSE, FALSE, 0); =20 @@ -213,11 +213,13 @@ gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox3), name_field, FALSE, FALSE, 0); nautilus_undo_editable_set_undo_key (GTK_EDITABLE (name_field), TRUE); =09 + gtk_label_set_mnemonic_widget (GTK_LABEL (name_label), name_field); + vbox4 =3D gtk_vbox_new (FALSE, 0); gtk_widget_show (vbox4); gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (right_side), vbox4, FALSE, FALSE, 0); =20 - url_label =3D gtk_label_new (_("Location")); + url_label =3D gtk_label_new_with_mnemonic (_("_Location")); gtk_widget_show (url_label); gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox4), url_label, FALSE, FALSE, 0); =20 @@ -225,6 +227,8 @@ gtk_widget_show (uri_field); gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox4), uri_field, FALSE, FALSE, 0);=09 nautilus_undo_editable_set_undo_key (GTK_EDITABLE (uri_field), TRUE); + + gtk_label_set_mnemonic_widget (GTK_LABEL (url_label), uri_field); =20 hbox2 =3D gtk_hbox_new (FALSE, 0); gtk_widget_show (hbox2); Index: src/nautilus-location-bar.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-location-bar.c,v retrieving revision 1.84 diff -u -r1.84 nautilus-location-bar.c --- src/nautilus-location-bar.c 25 Mar 2002 06:28:40 -0000 1.84 +++ src/nautilus-location-bar.c 25 Apr 2002 00:15:41 -0000 @@ -35,6 +35,7 @@ =20 #include "nautilus-window-private.h" #include "nautilus-window.h" +#include #include #include #include @@ -746,6 +747,8 @@ G_CALLBACK (editable_event_after_callback), bar, 0); =20 gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (hbox), entry, TRUE, TRUE, 0); + + eel_accessibility_set_up_label_widget_relation (label, entry); =20 gtk_container_add (GTK_CONTAINER (bar), hbox); =20 Index: src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c,v retrieving revision 1.31 diff -u -r1.31 nautilus-preferences-dialog.c --- src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c 23 Apr 2002 20:20:23 -0000 1.31 +++ src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c 25 Apr 2002 00:15:41 -0000 @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ static EelPreferencesItemDescription appearance_items[] =3D { { N_("Fonts"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DEFAULT_FONT, - N_("Default font:"), + N_("_Default font:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_FONT, }, { N_("Nautilus Themes"), @@ -71,27 +71,27 @@ static EelPreferencesItemDescription windows_items[] =3D { { N_("Opening New Windows"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_WINDOW_ALWAYS_NEW, - N_("Open each file or folder in a separate window"), + N_("_Open each file or folder in a separate window"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Opening New Windows"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_START_WITH_TOOLBAR, - N_("Display toolbar in new windows"), + N_("Display _toolbar in new windows"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Opening New Windows"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_START_WITH_LOCATION_BAR, - N_("Display location bar in new windows"), + N_("Display _location bar in new windows"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Opening New Windows"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_START_WITH_STATUS_BAR, - N_("Display status bar in new windows"), + N_("Display _status bar in new windows"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Opening New Windows"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_START_WITH_SIDEBAR, - N_("Display sidebar in new windows"), + N_("Display side_bar in new windows"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { NULL } @@ -100,22 +100,22 @@ static EelPreferencesItemDescription desktop_and_trash_items[] =3D { { N_("Desktop"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SHOW_DESKTOP, - N_("Use Nautilus to draw the desktop"), + N_("Use Nautilus to draw the _desktop"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Desktop"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_IS_HOME_DIR, - N_("Use your home folder as the desktop"), + N_("Use your _home folder as the desktop"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Trash Behavior"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_CONFIRM_TRASH, - N_("Ask before emptying the Trash or deleting files"), + N_("_Ask before emptying the Trash or deleting files"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Trash Behavior"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ENABLE_DELETE, - N_("Include a Delete command that bypasses Trash"), + N_("_Include a Delete command that bypasses Trash"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { NULL } @@ -134,22 +134,22 @@ }, { N_("Show/Hide Options"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SHOW_HIDDEN_FILES, - N_("Show hidden files (file names start with \".\")"), + N_("Show _hidden files (file names start with \".\")"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Show/Hide Options"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SHOW_BACKUP_FILES, - N_("Show backup files (file names end with \"~\")"), + N_("Show _backup files (file names end with \"~\")"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Show/Hide Options"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SHOW_SPECIAL_FLAGS, - N_("Show special flags in Properties window"), + N_("Show special flags in _Properties window"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Sorting Order"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SORT_DIRECTORIES_FIRST, - N_("Always list folders before files"), + N_("Always _list folders before files"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { NULL } @@ -173,41 +173,41 @@ static EelPreferencesItemDescription view_preferences_items[] =3D { { N_("Default View"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DEFAULT_FOLDER_VIEWER, - N_("View new folders using:"), + N_("_View new folders using:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU }, =20 /* Icon View Defaults */ { N_("Icon View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_SORT_ORDER_OR_MANUAL_LAYOUT, - N_("Arrange Items:"), + N_("_Arrange Items:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU }, { N_("Icon View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_SORT_IN_REVERSE_ORDER, - N_("Sort in reversed order"), + N_("_Sort in reversed order"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("Icon View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_FONT, - N_("Font:"), + N_("_Font:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_FONT }, { N_("Icon View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL, - N_("Default zoom level:"), + N_("Default _zoom level:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU, NULL, 0, 1 }, { N_("Icon View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_USE_TIGHTER_LAYOUT, - N_("Use tighter layout"), + N_("Use _tighter layout"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN, NULL, 0, 1 }, { N_("Icon View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL_FONT_SIZE, - N_("Font size at default zoom level:"), + N_("Font size at _default zoom level:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU, NULL, 0, 1 }, @@ -215,22 +215,22 @@ /* List View Defaults */ { N_("List View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_DEFAULT_SORT_ORDER, - N_("Arrange Items:"), + N_("Arrange _Items:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU }, { N_("List View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_DEFAULT_SORT_IN_REVERSE_ORDER, - N_("Sort in reversed order"), + N_("Sort in _reversed order"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("List View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_FONT, - N_("Font:"), + N_("Fo_nt:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_FONT }, { N_("List View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL, - N_("Default zoom level:"), + N_("Default zoo_m level:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU, NULL, 0, 1 }, @@ -242,7 +242,7 @@ }, { N_("List View Defaults"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL_FONT_SIZE, - N_("Font size at default zoom level:"), + N_("Font size at default zoom _level:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU, NULL, 0, 1 }, @@ -263,48 +263,48 @@ static EelPreferencesItemDescription navigation_items[] =3D { { N_("Home"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, - N_("Location:"), + N_("_Location:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_STRING }, { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_PROXY, - N_("Use HTTP Proxy"), + N_("Use _HTTP Proxy"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_PROXY_HOST, - N_("Location:"), + N_("L_ocation:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_STRING }, { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_PROXY_PORT, - N_("Port:"), + N_("_Port:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_INTEGER }, { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_PROXY_USE_AUTH, - N_("Proxy requires a username and password:"), + N_("Proxy _requires a username and password:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN, NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_PROXY, EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_SHOW }, { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_PROXY_AUTH_USERNAME, - N_("Username:"), + N_("_Username:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_STRING, NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_PROXY, EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_SHOW }, { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_AUTH_PASSWORD, - N_("Password:"), + N_("Pass_word:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_PASSWORD_STRING, NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_PROXY, EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_SHOW }, { N_("Built-in Bookmarks"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HIDE_BUILT_IN_BOOKMARKS, - N_("Don't include the built-in bookmarks in the Bookmarks menu"), + N_("_Don't include the built-in bookmarks in the Bookmarks menu"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { NULL } @@ -328,7 +328,7 @@ }, { N_("Show Thumbnails for Image Files"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_IMAGE_FILE_THUMBNAIL_LIMIT, - N_("Don't make thumbnails for files larger than:"), + N_("_Don't make thumbnails for files larger than:"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU_INTEGER }, { N_("Preview Sound Files"), @@ -358,7 +358,7 @@ }, { N_("Tree"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_TREE_SHOW_ONLY_DIRECTORIES, - N_("Show only folders (no files) in the tree"), + N_("_Show only folders (no files) in the tree"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN }, { NULL } @@ -367,12 +367,12 @@ static EelPreferencesItemDescription news_panel_items[] =3D { { N_("Maximum items per site"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_NEWS_MAX_ITEMS, - N_("Maximum number of items displayed per site"), + N_("_Maximum number of items displayed per site"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_INTEGER }, { N_("Update Minutes"), NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_NEWS_UPDATE_INTERVAL, - N_("Update frequency in minutes"), + N_("_Update frequency in minutes"), EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_INTEGER =20 }, --=-1FdypjlYJyb5pc+rwtno-- From visnovsky@nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz Wed Apr 24 21:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from alfik.ms.mff.cuni.cz (alfik.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.19.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6626187EE for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.17.137] by alfik.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.9.3/2.1/20011017.1454) with ESMTP id PAA23489; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:21:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (visnovsky@localhost) by nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3ODLjs02491; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:21:45 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:21:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Stanislav Visnovsky To: Simos Xenitellis Cc: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files In-Reply-To: <1019653840.8872.3.camel@pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 24 Apr 2002, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > > > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? > > That would be a good idea. > > I would suggst however to verify that the encoding for each file goes > well. The current scripts (from CVS:gnome-i18n/UTF-8) abort when they > find illegal ISO-8859-?, thus corrupting the translation. > An appropriate solution would be to empty the translation that does not > convert or signal the mistake. Technically, msgconv from GNU gettext 0.11 should be the best tool for encoding change (but never tried it myself). Stanislav From ke@gnu.franken.de Thu Apr 25 00:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909B318208 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 170arl-0006gM-00 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:28:21 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 014ECA43E4; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:37:26 +0200 (CEST) To: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> <20020424194725.GA13263@deaddog.org> In-Reply-To: <20020424194725.GA13263@deaddog.org> ("R.I.P. Deaddog"'s message of "Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:47:25 +0800") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:37:26 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: "R.I.P. Deaddog" writes: > Problem is, people who installed gettext 0.11.x is minority -- even > less than those who have glibc >= 2.1. Only package maintainers will have to install it (those who generate the .mo files distributed with the .tar.gz/.tar.bz2 archives). Sorry for the confusion: you will not have to convert the PO/MO files at installation time but at packaging time. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From ke@gnu.franken.de Thu Apr 25 01:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDCD18492 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 170cIN-0008N6-00; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:59:55 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 5CFD5A43E4; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:54:06 +0200 (CEST) To: Ole Laursen Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> <87k7qwlsnu.fsf@bach.composers> In-Reply-To: <87k7qwlsnu.fsf@bach.composers> (Ole Laursen's message of "24 Apr 2002 22:59:17 +0200") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:54:05 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Ole Laursen writes: > Doesn't sound terrible nice - what's supposed to be wrong with it? I > have been using it for editing in Danish for quite some time without > any troubles? As long as you stay in one locale plus a "sane" encoding. Don't try to paste text from an iso-8859-15 xterm into a UTF-8 Emacs buffer and within Emacs don't kill iso-8859-1 text and yank it into the *po-edit* buffer. The problem is, Emacs 21.{1,2} doesn't "unify" the different encoded texts; Emacs in CVS HEAD knows about those settings: (when (fboundp 'unify-8859-on-encoding-mode) (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1) (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1)) Further I didn't manage to convince Emacs to display Japanese or Chinese texts encoded in UTF-8 (to be honest I didn't try that hard). Otherwise Emacs is great. I use it for all text related jobs (editing, mailing, file manager, CVS front end, Info reader, etc.) :-) -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From simos74@gmx.net Thu Apr 25 02:54:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk (unknown [134.219.20.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6932A18681 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from user@localhost) by pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g3P6vrJ03349; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:57:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk: user set sender to simos74@gmx.net using -f Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Simos Xenitellis To: Stanislav Visnovsky Cc: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.4 Date: 25 Apr 2002 07:57:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1019717873.3301.2.camel@pc96.ma.rhul.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: =D4=E7=ED =D4=E5=F4, 24-04-2002 =F3=F4=E9=F2 14:21, =EF/=E7 Stanislav Visno= vsky =DD=E3=F1=E1=F8=E5: > On 24 Apr 2002, Simos Xenitellis wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? > > > > That would be a good idea. > > > > I would suggst however to verify that the encoding for each file goes > > well. The current scripts (from CVS:gnome-i18n/UTF-8) abort when they > > find illegal ISO-8859-?, thus corrupting the translation. > > An appropriate solution would be to empty the translation that does not > > convert or signal the mistake. >=20 > Technically, msgconv from GNU gettext 0.11 should be the best tool for > encoding change (but never tried it myself). Then someone should edit the CVS:gnome-i18n/UTF-8 scripts so that they print "Deprecated; Use "msgconv" from gettext-0.11.x instead." and announce this to the list (example title: "ANNOUNCE: Use msgconv (gettext 0.11.x) instead of CVS:gnome-i18n/UTF-8/*") simos From menthos@menthos.com Thu Apr 25 04:24:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEBD1833D for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 04:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3P8O9K11486 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:24:09 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: [Fwd: Gimp-print translations] From: Christian Rose To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-IE7aFfi7Lc6ezN3JrOf6" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 25 Apr 2002 10:24:09 +0200 Message-Id: <1019723049.23263.37.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-IE7aFfi7Lc6ezN3JrOf6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --=-IE7aFfi7Lc6ezN3JrOf6 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Vidarebefordrat meddelande - Gimp-print translations Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail-relay.df.lth.se (IDENT:root@mail-relay.df.lth.se [194.47.250.14]) by menthos.menthos.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3P1AaP17787 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:10:36 +0200 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by mail-relay.df.lth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06175 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:10:35 +0200 Received: (qmail 10323 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 01:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) ([66.92.65.9]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Apr 2002 01:10:32 -0000 Received: (from rlk@localhost) by dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g3P1AUH21638; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:10:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:10:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250110.g3P1AUH21638@dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net> From: Robert L Krawitz To: menthos@menthos.com Subject: Gimp-print translations X-SpamBouncer: 1.4 (10/07/01) X-SBPass: No Freemail Filtering X-SBClass: OK X-Folder: Bulk Status: Mime-Version: 1.0 Can you ask the translators to finish anything up with Gimp-print? -- Robert Krawitz http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf@uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton --=-IE7aFfi7Lc6ezN3JrOf6-- From newsletters@the-financial-news.com Thu Apr 25 06:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from wtnserver (80-25-218-178.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.25.218.178]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1554418367 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EI2 by wtnserver with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.1.2.R) for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:57:02 +0200 From: "The Financial News" Subject: Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:55:46 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 8.0.22 X-MDRcpt-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Return-Path: newsletters@the-financial-news.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Reply-To: newsletters@the-financial-news.com Message-ID: Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Financial News, April 2002 Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program =22...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and the necessary support for the production in series of Mini-plants in mobile=20containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring,=20piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production.=22 More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for Construction Framework,=20Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Fa=E7ades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups,=20Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material,=20Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc.=20 Science Network has started a process of Co-investment for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants of portable=20production on the site, region or country where they may be required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be connected to the World=20Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic transactions for world trade. Because of financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the right thing to do is to set up assembly plants in the same countries and regions, using local=20resources (labor, some equipment, etc.) For more information: Mini-plants in mobile containers By Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion =22...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de=20produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de mini-plantas esta dise=F1ado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas=20sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento est=E1n listas=20para producir.=22=20 Mas de 700 sistemas de produccion portatil: Panaderias, Producci=F3n de clavos de acero, Electrodos para soldadura, Recauchutado de neumaticos, Curvado de=20hierro para armaduras de construccion, Lamina perfilada para cubiertas, techos y cerramientos de fachada, Bidones de chapa, Cubos de aluminio, Menaje de=20polipropileno inyectado, Piezas de melamina prensada (vasos, platos, tazas, cafeteras, etc.) Silenciadores para vehiculos, Malla electrosoldada para la=20construccion, Bolsas y envases de plastico, Unidades moviles de asistencia medica, Material sanitario (jeringas hipodermicas, Pinzas hemostaticas, etc.) Science Network ha puesto en marcha un proceso de Co-inversion para la instalacion de peque=F1as Plantas ensambladoras para fabricar en serie las Mini-plantas=20de produccion portatil, en el lugar, region o pais que lo necesite. Una de las caracter=EDsticas relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al=20Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de=20comercio internacional.=20 Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi=20como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.) Para recibir mas infromacion: Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you received this in error or would like to be removed from our list, please return us indicating: remove or un-subscribe in 'subject' field, Thanks. Editor =A9 2002 The Financial News. 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    The Financial News, April 2002

    Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program

    =22...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and the necessary support for the production in series of Mini-plants in mobile containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring, piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production.=22

    More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for Construction Framework, Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Façades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups, Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material, Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc.

    Science Network has started a process of Co-investment for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants of portable production on the site, region or country where they may be required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be connected to the World Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic transactions for world trade.

    Because of financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the right thing to do is to set up assembly plants in the same countries and regions, using local resources (labor, some equipment, etc.)

    For more information: Mini-plants in mobile containers

    By Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor


    Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion

    =22...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de mini-plantas esta diseñado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento están listas para producir.=22

    Mas de 700 sistemas de produccion portatil: Panaderias, Producción de clavos de acero, Electrodos para soldadura, Recauchutado de neumaticos, Curvado de hierro para armaduras de construccion, Lamina perfilada para cubiertas, techos y cerramientos de fachada, Bidones de chapa, Cubos de aluminio, Menaje de polipropileno inyectado, Piezas de melamina prensada (vasos, platos, tazas, cafeteras, etc.) Silenciadores para vehiculos, Malla electrosoldada para la construccion, Bolsas y envases de plastico, Unidades moviles de asistencia medica, Material sanitario (jeringas hipodermicas, Pinzas hemostaticas, etc.)

    Science Network ha puesto en marcha un proceso de Co-inversion para la instalacion de pequeñas Plantas ensambladoras para fabricar en serie las Mini-plantas de produccion portatil, en el lugar, region o pais que lo necesite. Una de las características relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de comercio internacional.

    Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.)

    Para recibir mas infromacion: Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles

    Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor

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     --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf-- From marcel@telka.sk Thu Apr 25 07:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from tortuga.etc.sk (tortuga.etc.sk [62.168.122.79]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE4CF18367 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11937 invoked by uid 514); 25 Apr 2002 11:09:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:09:21 +0200 From: Marcel Telka To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Simple patch for status.c Message-ID: <20020425130921.A2484@tortuga.etc.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi. Please consider applying attached patch to the status pages generator. This patch adds number of untranslated messages into separate locale status pages for modules w/o .po file (or w/ errors). This kind of information on status pages could be usefull for others too (I think). ... just my 2 cents Thanks. -- +-------------------------------------------+ | Marcel Telka e-mail: marcel@telka.sk | | homepage: http://telka.sk/ | | jabber: marcel@jabber.sk | +-------------------------------------------+ --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="status.c.patch" --- status.c.orig Thu Apr 25 04:18:52 2002 +++ status.c Thu Apr 25 12:51:15 2002 @@ -794,9 +794,9 @@ ptrns = g_hash_table_lookup (pcmp->translations, llocale->data); if ( ptrns == NULL) /* We don't have a translation */ { - temp = g_strdup_printf ("\tN/A\n"\ - "\tN/A\n"\ - "\tN/A\n"); + temp = g_strdup_printf ("\t0\n"\ + "\t0\n"\ + "\t%d\n", pcmp->nstrings); temp_info = g_strdup_printf ("\tN/A\n", pcmp->name, pcmp->branch); @@ -810,9 +810,9 @@ /* But if the translation is faulty... */ if ((ptrns->translated == -1) && (ptrns->fuzzy == -1) && (ptrns->untranslated == -1)) { - temp = g_strdup_printf ("\tError\n"\ - "\tError\n"\ - "\tError\n"); + temp = g_strdup_printf ("\t0\n"\ + "\t0\n"\ + "\t%d\n", pcmp->nstrings); temp_info = g_strdup_printf ("\tError\n", pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale); temp = g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk-- From marcel@telka.sk Thu Apr 25 08:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from tortuga.etc.sk (tortuga.etc.sk [62.168.122.79]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7454B18319 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14918 invoked by uid 514); 25 Apr 2002 12:36:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:36:25 +0200 From: Marcel Telka To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Cc: carlos@gnome-db.org Subject: Re: Simple patch for status.c Message-ID: <20020425143625.D2484@tortuga.etc.sk> References: <20020425130921.A2484@tortuga.etc.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="gj572EiMnwbLXET9" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020425130921.A2484@tortuga.etc.sk>; from marcel@telka.sk on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:09:21PM +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --gj572EiMnwbLXET9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:09:21PM +0200, Marcel Telka wrote: > Hi. > > Please consider applying attached patch to the status pages generator. > > This patch adds number of untranslated messages into separate locale > status pages for modules w/o .po file (or w/ errors). This kind of > information on status pages could be usefull for others too (I think). I see there is slightly invalid "Total" line in locale stats. Here is second revision of my patch :-). > > ... just my 2 cents > > Thanks. -- +-------------------------------------------+ | Marcel Telka e-mail: marcel@telka.sk | | homepage: http://telka.sk/ | | jabber: marcel@jabber.sk | +-------------------------------------------+ --gj572EiMnwbLXET9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="status.c.patch" --- status.c.orig Thu Apr 25 13:13:20 2002 +++ status.c Thu Apr 25 14:28:58 2002 @@ -794,15 +794,17 @@ ptrns = g_hash_table_lookup (pcmp->translations, llocale->data); if ( ptrns == NULL) /* We don't have a translation */ { - temp = g_strdup_printf ("\tN/A\n"\ - "\tN/A\n"\ - "\tN/A\n"); + temp = g_strdup_printf ("\t0\n"\ + "\t0\n"\ + "\t%d\n", pcmp->nstrings); temp_info = g_strdup_printf ("\tN/A\n", pcmp->name, pcmp->branch); temp = g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] += pcmp->nstrings; + + total_untrans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] += pcmp->nstrings; } else { /* We have a translation for this locale */ @@ -810,14 +812,16 @@ /* But if the translation is faulty... */ if ((ptrns->translated == -1) && (ptrns->fuzzy == -1) && (ptrns->untranslated == -1)) { - temp = g_strdup_printf ("\tError\n"\ - "\tError\n"\ - "\tError\n"); + temp = g_strdup_printf ("\t0\n"\ + "\t0\n"\ + "\t%d\n", pcmp->nstrings); temp_info = g_strdup_printf ("\tError\n", pcmp->name, pcmp->branch, ptrns->locale); temp = g_strconcat (temp, temp_info, NULL); total[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] += pcmp->nstrings; + total_untrans[g_list_position (prelease->locales, llocale)] += pcmp->nstrings; + } else { gfloat stats; --gj572EiMnwbLXET9-- From jitendras@vsnl.com Thu Apr 25 13:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from mmb4.vsnl.net.in (mmb4.vsnl.net.in [202.54.1.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA211919D for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vsnl.com (unknown [203.197.45.39]) by mmb4.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6EDD74 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:38:01 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <3CC7C1D6.4CB05259@vsnl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:14:06 +0530 From: jitendra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Using Unicode for Translation in Marathi/Hindi References: <20020425060103.9BCAE1864E@mail.gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Can any one help with this : What is the working solution for devanagari translation(Hindi and Marathi) using yudit or emacs or anyother. It is possible to create a translated file in unicode using yudit. But then , saving in utf-8 can one use the file for conversion to .mo . Would some one laydown the procedure in some detail so that I donot have to re-discover the wheels. Jitendra gnome-i18n-request@gnome.org wrote: > Send gnome-i18n mailing list submissions to > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnome-i18n-request@gnome.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-i18n digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files (Karl Eichwalder) > 2. Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files (R.I.P. Deaddog) > 3. Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files (Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?=) > 4. Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files (Ole Laursen) > 5. mnemonics patch (Dave Camp) > 6. Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files (Stanislav Visnovsky) > 7. Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files (Karl Eichwalder) > 8. Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files (Karl Eichwalder) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= > Cc: Keld =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen , > Kjartan Maraas , > GNOME i18n list > Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files > From: Karl Eichwalder > Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:31:33 +0200 > > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > > > If you want to do the encoding at compile time, please, show me a > > clean way to do it and It will be perfect for me, but we should add it > > to all modules now. > > I told you how to do it some months ago -- please, check the archive. > Now, since gettext 0.11.x is out, it's a snap using 'msgconv'. > > Kjartan, Emacs 21 has serious issues concerning UTF-8 editing; Emacs > from CVS (HEAD) is usable concerning UTF-8 as long as want to edit > European like languages. > > --=20 > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:47:25 +0800 > From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" > To: GNOME i18n list > Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files > > --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On 2002-04-24(Wed) 21:31:33 +0200, Karl Eichwalder wrote: > > Carlos Perell? Mar?n writes: > >=20 > > > If you want to do the encoding at compile time, please, show me a > > > clean way to do it and It will be perfect for me, but we should add it > > > to all modules now. > >=20 > > I told you how to do it some months ago -- please, check the archive. > > Now, since gettext 0.11.x is out, it's a snap using 'msgconv'. > > Problem is, people who installed gettext 0.11.x is minority -- even less > than those who have glibc >=3D 2.1. Modify all gnome modules to bundle > gettext 0.11.x sounds like too late here. > > Abel > > > Kjartan, Emacs 21 has serious issues concerning UTF-8 editing; Emacs > > from CVS (HEAD) is usable concerning UTF-8 as long as want to edit > > European like languages. > --=20 > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc > > --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8xwvNQVLh8cZxhv8RArQHAKC+Be5LBa9pCLYK2NiqDuXAh2uXiQCeMlrn > oCS8JlnvBGnm8LezVNbLaTs= > =nWRy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files > From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= > To: Karl Eichwalder > Cc: Keld =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Simonsen , > Kjartan Maraas , > GNOME i18n list > Date: 24 Apr 2002 21:52:36 +0200 > > --=-+jkefEHUfrHuCLMVUDXn > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > El mi=E9, 24-04-2002 a las 21:31, Karl Eichwalder escribi=F3: > > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > >=20 > > > If you want to do the encoding at compile time, please, show me a > > > clean way to do it and It will be perfect for me, but we should add it > > > to all modules now. > >=20 > > I told you how to do it some months ago -- please, check the archive. > > Now, since gettext 0.11.x is out, it's a snap using 'msgconv'. > >=20 > > Yes, I know the command but my automake/autoconf is really basic. > Kenneth is there any chance to integrate it into intltool's .m4 and > generate the .mo after encoding the .po as UTF8? > > > Kjartan, Emacs 21 has serious issues concerning UTF-8 editing; Emacs > > from CVS (HEAD) is usable concerning UTF-8 as long as want to edit > > European like languages. > > I don't use emacs so I cannot help here. Sorry. > > >=20 > > --=20 > > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > > http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o > > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) > --=20 > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn > mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org > mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es > http://www.gnome-db.org > http://www.Hispalinux.es > Valencia - Spain > > --=-+jkefEHUfrHuCLMVUDXn > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc > Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQA8xw0DEuPMamD5V9cRAsclAJ9s4nVvQMUbkYcCOgQiNGco6hKfggCfdfFJ > lYheaBi/jeXM+mz0bedZNV4= > =48sZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=-+jkefEHUfrHuCLMVUDXn-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org > Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files > From: Ole Laursen > Date: 24 Apr 2002 22:59:17 +0200 > > Karl Eichwalder writes: > > Kjartan, Emacs 21 has serious issues concerning UTF-8 editing; Emacs > > from CVS (HEAD) is usable concerning UTF-8 as long as want to edit > > European like languages. > > Doesn't sound terrible nice - what's supposed to be wrong with it? I > have been using it for editing in Danish for quite some time without > any troubles? > > -- > Ole Laursen > http://sunsite.dk/olau/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Subject: mnemonics patch > From: Dave Camp > To: nautilus-list@eazel.com > Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org > Organization: > Date: 24 Apr 2002 20:28:07 -0400 > > --=-1FdypjlYJyb5pc+rwtno > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This adds mnemonics to things in the preferences dialog and the > bookmarks dialog. Mixed in there somewhere I added an atk relation > between the location entry and its label. > > --=-1FdypjlYJyb5pc+rwtno > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus-mnemonics.patch > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/plain; name=nautilus-mnemonics.patch; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ? nautilus-mnemonics.patch > Index: ChangeLog > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/ChangeLog,v > retrieving revision 1.5241 > diff -u -r1.5241 ChangeLog > --- ChangeLog 24 Apr 2002 14:40:35 -0000 1.5241 > +++ ChangeLog 25 Apr 2002 00:15:35 -0000 > @@ -1,3 +1,11 @@ > +2002-04-24 Dave Camp > + > + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c: > + * src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c: (create_bookmarks_window): > + * src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c: Added mnemonics. > + * src/nautilus-location-bar.c: (nautilus_location_bar_init): Added > + a relation between the Location label and entry. > + > 2002-04-24 Jody Goldberg > =20 > * src/file-manager/fm-list-model.c > Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferenc= > es.c,v > retrieving revision 1.197 > diff -u -r1.197 nautilus-global-preferences.c > --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c 20 Apr 2002 21:11:26 = > -0000 1.197 > +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c 25 Apr 2002 00:15:40 = > -0000 > @@ -134,11 +134,11 @@ > =20 > static EelEnumerationEntry click_policy_enum_entries[] =3D { > { "single", > - N_("Activate items with a single click"), > + N_("Activate items with a _single click"), > NAUTILUS_CLICK_POLICY_SINGLE > }, > { "double", > - N_("Activate items with a double click"), > + N_("Activate items with a _double click"), > NAUTILUS_CLICK_POLICY_DOUBLE > }, > { NULL } > @@ -146,15 +146,15 @@ > =20 > static EelEnumerationEntry executable_text_activation_enum_entries[] =3D { > { "launch", > - N_("Execute files when they are clicked"), > + N_("E_xecute files when they are clicked"), > NAUTILUS_EXECUTABLE_TEXT_LAUNCH > }, > { "display", > - N_("Display files when they are clicked"), > + N_("Display _files when they are clicked"), > NAUTILUS_EXECUTABLE_TEXT_DISPLAY > }, > { "ask", > - N_("Ask each time"), > + N_("_Ask each time"), > NAUTILUS_EXECUTABLE_TEXT_ASK > }, > { NULL } > Index: src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c,v > retrieving revision 1.63 > diff -u -r1.63 nautilus-bookmarks-window.c > --- src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c 7 Mar 2002 19:36:03 -0000 1.63 > +++ src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.c 25 Apr 2002 00:15:40 -0000 > @@ -204,7 +204,7 @@ > gtk_widget_show (vbox3); > gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (right_side), vbox3, FALSE, FALSE, 0); > =20 > - name_label =3D gtk_label_new (_("Name")); > + name_label =3D gtk_label_new_with_mnemonic (_("_Name")); > gtk_widget_show (name_label); > gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox3), name_label, FALSE, FALSE, 0); > =20 > @@ -213,11 +213,13 @@ > gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox3), name_field, FALSE, FALSE, 0); > nautilus_undo_editable_set_undo_key (GTK_EDITABLE (name_field), TRUE); > =09 > + gtk_label_set_mnemonic_widget (GTK_LABEL (name_label), name_field); > + > vbox4 =3D gtk_vbox_new (FALSE, 0); > gtk_widget_show (vbox4); > gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (right_side), vbox4, FALSE, FALSE, 0); > =20 > - url_label =3D gtk_label_new (_("Location")); > + url_label =3D gtk_label_new_with_mnemonic (_("_Location")); > gtk_widget_show (url_label); > gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox4), url_label, FALSE, FALSE, 0); > =20 > @@ -225,6 +227,8 @@ > gtk_widget_show (uri_field); > gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox4), uri_field, FALSE, FALSE, 0);=09 > nautilus_undo_editable_set_undo_key (GTK_EDITABLE (uri_field), TRUE); > + > + gtk_label_set_mnemonic_widget (GTK_LABEL (url_label), uri_field); > =20 > hbox2 =3D gtk_hbox_new (FALSE, 0); > gtk_widget_show (hbox2); > Index: src/nautilus-location-bar.c > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-location-bar.c,v > retrieving revision 1.84 > diff -u -r1.84 nautilus-location-bar.c > --- src/nautilus-location-bar.c 25 Mar 2002 06:28:40 -0000 1.84 > +++ src/nautilus-location-bar.c 25 Apr 2002 00:15:41 -0000 > @@ -35,6 +35,7 @@ > =20 > #include "nautilus-window-private.h" > #include "nautilus-window.h" > +#include > #include > #include > #include > @@ -746,6 +747,8 @@ > G_CALLBACK (editable_event_after_callback), bar, 0); > =20 > gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (hbox), entry, TRUE, TRUE, 0); > + > + eel_accessibility_set_up_label_widget_relation (label, entry); > =20 > gtk_container_add (GTK_CONTAINER (bar), hbox); > =20 > Index: src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c,v > retrieving revision 1.31 > diff -u -r1.31 nautilus-preferences-dialog.c > --- src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c 23 Apr 2002 20:20:23 -0000 1.31 > +++ src/nautilus-preferences-dialog.c 25 Apr 2002 00:15:41 -0000 > @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ > static EelPreferencesItemDescription appearance_items[] =3D { > { N_("Fonts"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DEFAULT_FONT, > - N_("Default font:"), > + N_("_Default font:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_FONT, > }, > { N_("Nautilus Themes"), > @@ -71,27 +71,27 @@ > static EelPreferencesItemDescription windows_items[] =3D { > { N_("Opening New Windows"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_WINDOW_ALWAYS_NEW, > - N_("Open each file or folder in a separate window"), > + N_("_Open each file or folder in a separate window"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Opening New Windows"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_START_WITH_TOOLBAR, > - N_("Display toolbar in new windows"), > + N_("Display _toolbar in new windows"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Opening New Windows"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_START_WITH_LOCATION_BAR, > - N_("Display location bar in new windows"), > + N_("Display _location bar in new windows"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Opening New Windows"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_START_WITH_STATUS_BAR, > - N_("Display status bar in new windows"), > + N_("Display _status bar in new windows"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Opening New Windows"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_START_WITH_SIDEBAR, > - N_("Display sidebar in new windows"), > + N_("Display side_bar in new windows"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { NULL } > @@ -100,22 +100,22 @@ > static EelPreferencesItemDescription desktop_and_trash_items[] =3D { > { N_("Desktop"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SHOW_DESKTOP, > - N_("Use Nautilus to draw the desktop"), > + N_("Use Nautilus to draw the _desktop"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Desktop"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_IS_HOME_DIR, > - N_("Use your home folder as the desktop"), > + N_("Use your _home folder as the desktop"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Trash Behavior"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_CONFIRM_TRASH, > - N_("Ask before emptying the Trash or deleting files"), > + N_("_Ask before emptying the Trash or deleting files"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Trash Behavior"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ENABLE_DELETE, > - N_("Include a Delete command that bypasses Trash"), > + N_("_Include a Delete command that bypasses Trash"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { NULL } > @@ -134,22 +134,22 @@ > }, > { N_("Show/Hide Options"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SHOW_HIDDEN_FILES, > - N_("Show hidden files (file names start with \".\")"), > + N_("Show _hidden files (file names start with \".\")"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Show/Hide Options"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SHOW_BACKUP_FILES, > - N_("Show backup files (file names end with \"~\")"), > + N_("Show _backup files (file names end with \"~\")"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Show/Hide Options"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SHOW_SPECIAL_FLAGS, > - N_("Show special flags in Properties window"), > + N_("Show special flags in _Properties window"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Sorting Order"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_SORT_DIRECTORIES_FIRST, > - N_("Always list folders before files"), > + N_("Always _list folders before files"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { NULL } > @@ -173,41 +173,41 @@ > static EelPreferencesItemDescription view_preferences_items[] =3D { > { N_("Default View"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DEFAULT_FOLDER_VIEWER, > - N_("View new folders using:"), > + N_("_View new folders using:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU > }, > =20 > /* Icon View Defaults */ > { N_("Icon View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_SORT_ORDER_OR_MANUAL_LAYOUT, > - N_("Arrange Items:"), > + N_("_Arrange Items:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU > }, > { N_("Icon View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_SORT_IN_REVERSE_ORDER, > - N_("Sort in reversed order"), > + N_("_Sort in reversed order"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("Icon View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_FONT, > - N_("Font:"), > + N_("_Font:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_FONT > }, > { N_("Icon View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL, > - N_("Default zoom level:"), > + N_("Default _zoom level:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU, > NULL, 0, 1 > }, > { N_("Icon View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_USE_TIGHTER_LAYOUT, > - N_("Use tighter layout"), > + N_("Use _tighter layout"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN, > NULL, 0, 1 > }, > { N_("Icon View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL_FONT_SIZE, > - N_("Font size at default zoom level:"), > + N_("Font size at _default zoom level:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU, > NULL, 0, 1 > }, > @@ -215,22 +215,22 @@ > /* List View Defaults */ > { N_("List View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_DEFAULT_SORT_ORDER, > - N_("Arrange Items:"), > + N_("Arrange _Items:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU > }, > { N_("List View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_DEFAULT_SORT_IN_REVERSE_ORDER, > - N_("Sort in reversed order"), > + N_("Sort in _reversed order"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("List View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_FONT, > - N_("Font:"), > + N_("Fo_nt:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_FONT > }, > { N_("List View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL, > - N_("Default zoom level:"), > + N_("Default zoo_m level:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU, > NULL, 0, 1 > }, > @@ -242,7 +242,7 @@ > }, > { N_("List View Defaults"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_LIST_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL_FONT_SIZE, > - N_("Font size at default zoom level:"), > + N_("Font size at default zoom _level:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU, > NULL, 0, 1 > }, > @@ -263,48 +263,48 @@ > static EelPreferencesItemDescription navigation_items[] =3D { > { N_("Home"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, > - N_("Location:"), > + N_("_Location:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_STRING > }, > { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_PROXY, > - N_("Use HTTP Proxy"), > + N_("Use _HTTP Proxy"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_PROXY_HOST, > - N_("Location:"), > + N_("L_ocation:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_STRING > }, > { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_PROXY_PORT, > - N_("Port:"), > + N_("_Port:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_INTEGER > }, > { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_PROXY_USE_AUTH, > - N_("Proxy requires a username and password:"), > + N_("Proxy _requires a username and password:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN, > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_PROXY, > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_SHOW > }, > { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_PROXY_AUTH_USERNAME, > - N_("Username:"), > + N_("_Username:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_STRING, > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_PROXY, > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_SHOW > }, > { N_("HTTP Proxy Settings"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_AUTH_PASSWORD, > - N_("Password:"), > + N_("Pass_word:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_PASSWORD_STRING, > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HTTP_USE_PROXY, > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_SHOW > }, > { N_("Built-in Bookmarks"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HIDE_BUILT_IN_BOOKMARKS, > - N_("Don't include the built-in bookmarks in the Bookmarks menu"), > + N_("_Don't include the built-in bookmarks in the Bookmarks menu"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { NULL } > @@ -328,7 +328,7 @@ > }, > { N_("Show Thumbnails for Image Files"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_IMAGE_FILE_THUMBNAIL_LIMIT, > - N_("Don't make thumbnails for files larger than:"), > + N_("_Don't make thumbnails for files larger than:"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_ENUMERATION_MENU_INTEGER > }, > { N_("Preview Sound Files"), > @@ -358,7 +358,7 @@ > }, > { N_("Tree"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_TREE_SHOW_ONLY_DIRECTORIES, > - N_("Show only folders (no files) in the tree"), > + N_("_Show only folders (no files) in the tree"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_BOOLEAN > }, > { NULL } > @@ -367,12 +367,12 @@ > static EelPreferencesItemDescription news_panel_items[] =3D { > { N_("Maximum items per site"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_NEWS_MAX_ITEMS, > - N_("Maximum number of items displayed per site"), > + N_("_Maximum number of items displayed per site"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_INTEGER > }, > { N_("Update Minutes"), > NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_NEWS_UPDATE_INTERVAL, > - N_("Update frequency in minutes"), > + N_("_Update frequency in minutes"), > EEL_PREFERENCE_ITEM_EDITABLE_INTEGER > =20 > }, > > --=-1FdypjlYJyb5pc+rwtno-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:21:45 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Stanislav Visnovsky > To: Simos Xenitellis > Cc: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , > GNOME i18n list > Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files > > On 24 Apr 2002, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > > > > > > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? > > > > That would be a good idea. > > > > I would suggst however to verify that the encoding for each file goes > > well. The current scripts (from CVS:gnome-i18n/UTF-8) abort when they > > find illegal ISO-8859-?, thus corrupting the translation. > > An appropriate solution would be to empty the translation that does not > > convert or signal the mistake. > > Technically, msgconv from GNU gettext 0.11 should be the best tool for > encoding change (but never tried it myself). > > Stanislav > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > To: GNOME i18n list > Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files > From: Karl Eichwalder > Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:37:26 +0200 > > "R.I.P. Deaddog" writes: > > > Problem is, people who installed gettext 0.11.x is minority -- even > > less than those who have glibc >= 2.1. > > Only package maintainers will have to install it (those who generate the > .mo files distributed with the .tar.gz/.tar.bz2 archives). > > Sorry for the confusion: you will not have to convert the PO/MO files at > installation time but at packaging time. > > -- > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > To: Ole Laursen > Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org > Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files > From: Karl Eichwalder > Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:54:05 +0200 > > Ole Laursen writes: > > > Doesn't sound terrible nice - what's supposed to be wrong with it? I > > have been using it for editing in Danish for quite some time without > > any troubles? > > As long as you stay in one locale plus a "sane" encoding. Don't try to > paste text from an iso-8859-15 xterm into a UTF-8 Emacs buffer and > within Emacs don't kill iso-8859-1 text and yank it into the *po-edit* > buffer. > > The problem is, Emacs 21.{1,2} doesn't "unify" the different encoded > texts; Emacs in CVS HEAD knows about those settings: > > (when (fboundp 'unify-8859-on-encoding-mode) > (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1) > (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1)) > > Further I didn't manage to convince Emacs to display Japanese or Chinese > texts encoded in UTF-8 (to be honest I didn't try that hard). > > Otherwise Emacs is great. I use it for all text related jobs (editing, > mailing, file manager, CVS front end, Info reader, etc.) :-) > > -- > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > > End of gnome-i18n Digest From karunakar@freedomink.org Thu Apr 25 14:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from birch.phpwebhosting.com (birch.phpwebhosting.com [64.29.16.110]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EDEF19147 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3278 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 20:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atul) (203.199.88.107) by birch.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 20:24:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:04:03 +0530 To: jitendra , gnome-i18n@gnome.org From: G K Subject: Re: Using Unicode for Translation in Marathi/Hindi X-Mailer: Opera 5.10 build 902 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20020425181656.5EDEF19147@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: 4/25/02 2:14:06 PM, jitendra wrote: >Can any one help with this : >What is the working solution for devanagari translation(Hindi and >Marathi) using yudit >or emacs or anyother. Yudit is a good ( and easy to setup) solution. Another way is to set up GNOME 2.0 beta on your desktop, and use gedit >It is possible to create a translated file in unicode using yudit. But >then , saving in >utf-8 can one use the file for conversion to .mo . Yes. Since it is now required that the translations be in utf-8, so you just need to compile it straight $ msgfmt -o gedit.mo gedit.mr_IN.po assuming the gedit.mr_IN.po is the translated one. >Would some one laydown the procedure in some detail so that I donot have >to re-discover >the wheels. Also you need to make sure that the PO header contains the entries "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: ENCODING\n" as "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" (Pl correct me if this is wrong, It worked for me atleast ) Regards, Karunakar From carlos@gnome-db.org Thu Apr 25 18:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759A01838F for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A2B7884B for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Stable status pages online From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: GNOME i18n list Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-BR51x9jmJmC6xEYn3fjo" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 26 Apr 2002 00:01:29 +0200 Message-Id: <1019772089.1563.53.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-BR51x9jmJmC6xEYn3fjo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have just uploaded a first try of the stable status pages... http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/stable/status.html It have some problems: 1.- I take the wrong script so tomorrow I will use the new cool script. 2.- I have bad .pot filenames in many modules, then, some modules are without translation, also tomorrow I will fix it. 3.- It lacks of some modules.... As all you know... Tomorrow will be online the really good status pages for GNOME 1.4. Good night. --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-BR51x9jmJmC6xEYn3fjo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yHy5EuPMamD5V9cRAjmUAJ9+oLx+kcN2kNS/iDba5diVKC+DQQCfX1ly G+8D+XEIWvi+xfqnd8wDaRY= =m3ro -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BR51x9jmJmC6xEYn3fjo-- From dsevilla@extreme.indiana.edu Thu Apr 25 18:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu (unknown [129.79.246.252]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A086A1838F for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dsevilla@localhost) by linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/IUCS_2.44) id g3PM6MB24344; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:06:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:06:22 -0500 From: Diego Sevilla Ruiz To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: Stable status pages online Message-ID: <20020425170622.A24287@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> References: <1019772089.1563.53.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1019772089.1563.53.camel@frodo>; from carlos@gnome-db.org on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 12:01:29AM +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Carlos: On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 12:01:29AM +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: | I have just uploaded a first try of the stable status pages... | | http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/stable/status.html | I get a not found! Best regards. diego -- Diego Sevilla Ruiz http://ditec.um.es/~dsevilla dsevilla@um.es \ /\ Dpto. Ingeniería y Tecnología de Computadores http://ditec.um.es ) ( ') Visiting Extreme! Computing Lab http://extreme.indiana.edu ( / ) Indiana University, Bloomington http://www.iub.edu \(__)| From maddog@linuxhall.org Thu Apr 25 18:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998AF1838F for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 170rSC-0006Iv-00; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:11:04 +0800 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:10:50 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Diego Sevilla Ruiz Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: Stable status pages online In-Reply-To: <20020425170622.A24287@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Diego Sevilla Ruiz wrote: > Hi, Carlos: >=20 > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 12:01:29AM +0200, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > | I have just uploaded a first try of the stable status pages... > |=20 > | http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/stable/status.html > |=20 >=20 > I get a not found! >=20 > =09Best regards. > =09diego It's status.shtml, not status.html... Carlos, any plan to rename it to status.html? Seems it doesn't use any SSI at all. I guess this must have been a historic reason to name it as *.shtml? --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From kmaraas@online.no Thu Apr 25 18:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from sevilla.gnome.no (213-145-191-71.dd.nextgentel.com [213.145.191.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0441910A for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kmaraas@localhost) by sevilla.gnome.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3Q0FwW06151 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:15:58 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: sevilla.gnome.no: kmaraas set sender to kmaraas@online.no using -f Subject: Re: Stable status pages online From: Kjartan Maraas To: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <20020425170622.A24287@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> References: <1019772089.1563.53.camel@frodo> <20020425170622.A24287@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 26 Apr 2002 02:15:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1019780157.25784.18.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: fre, 2002-04-26 kl. 00:06 skrev Diego Sevilla Ruiz: > Hi, Carlos: >=20 > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 12:01:29AM +0200, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > | I have just uploaded a first try of the stable status pages... > |=20 > | http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/stable/status.html > |=20 >=20 > I get a not found! >=20 Add a 's' to html. Should be .shtml. Cheers Kjartan From kmaraas@online.no Thu Apr 25 18:19:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from sevilla.gnome.no (213-145-191-71.dd.nextgentel.com [213.145.191.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C56A192DF for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kmaraas@localhost) by sevilla.gnome.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3Q0JuN06166 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:19:56 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: sevilla.gnome.no: kmaraas set sender to kmaraas@online.no using -f Subject: Module list for 1.4.1 From: Kjartan Maraas To: GNOME i18n list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 26 Apr 2002 02:19:56 +0200 Message-Id: <1019780396.25783.22.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Here's a snippet some of you might find helpful. gal-evolution-1-0-branch galeon-1-2 gconf-1-0 gdm-2-2 gnome-1-4-branch (gedit) ggv-1-0 ghex-1-2 gimp-1-2 glib-1-2 gtk-1-2 gnome-1-4-branch (gnome-control-center) gnome-1-x-branch (gnome-db, libgda) gnome-games-1-4 gnome-media-1-0 gnome-1-4-branch (gnome-print) gnome-utils-1-4 gnome-vfs-1 gnome_1_4 (gnumeric) gtkhtml-1-0-branch LIBGTOP_STABLE_1_0 librsvg-1-0 gnome-1-4-branch (metatheme) nautilus-gnome-1 procman-1-0 xscreensaver-i18n branch The only problem is that there's no guarantee that any of the modules outside of the four I "control" are going to have new releases before 1.4.1. So if you want to get new translations into stuff beside gnome-libs, gnome-core, gnome-applets and control-center, you have to start lobbying :) Cheers Kjartan From menthos@menthos.com Thu Apr 25 19:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EED18D06 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3PNibK13870; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:44:47 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Stable status pages online From: Christian Rose To: "R.I.P. Deaddog" , Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 26 Apr 2002 01:44:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1019778288.23247.62.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: fre 2002-04-26 klockan 00.10 skrev R.I.P. Deaddog: > It's status.shtml, not status.html... > > Carlos, any plan to rename it to status.html? Seems it doesn't use > any SSI at all. I guess this must have been a historic reason to > name it as *.shtml? Even better to rename it to index.html. That way, everyone can just use the http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/stable/ directory address and not have to care or remember whether the page is html, shtml, php, pl, cfm, jsp or any other fancy web technique. Christian From dobey@ximian.com Fri Apr 26 12:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from dreadnought.ximian.com (gateway.ximian.com [141.154.95.125]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAAD18157 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dobey@localhost) by dreadnought.ximian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3QGWwZ01607; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:32:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dreadnought.ximian.com: dobey set sender to dobey@ximian.com using -f Subject: Doorman Release From: Rodney Dawes To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 26 Apr 2002 12:32:57 -0400 Message-Id: <1019838777.1583.3.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am planning on releasing a new version of the gnome-doorman module, and I updated a few strings in it. Could you kind fellows please update the translations. I'd like to make the release this coming Monday, April 29. Thanks. -- dobey From barakbl1@netvision.net.il Fri Apr 26 14:41:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il (mxout2.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4011118178 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux.barak.com ([62.0.114.239]) by mxout2.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.1 (built Apr 17 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0GV6002I9UIXYV@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:40:09 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:40:41 +0300 From: barak Subject: what's going on with the Hebrew team ? To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Message-id: <200204262140.41761.barakbl1@netvision.net.il> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi I really dont know what is the situation with the Hebrew transletion.... I tried to send mail to the Hebrew team leader (Or Fialckove) and didnt get any answer.... I want help to translete (I can manage the team if its needed, build homepage and anything else that needed) 10x -- Regards ************** Barak Bloch mailto:barakbl1@netvision.net.il ICQ uin - 17081445 ***************************************************** From chrisime@uni.de Fri Apr 26 14:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from basket.ball.reliam.net (basket.ball.reliam.net [213.91.6.7]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973011821C for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (pD9590944.dip.t-dialin.net [217.89.9.68]) by basket.ball.reliam.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047A23D98; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Module list for 1.4.1 From: Christian Meyer To: Kjartan Maraas Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019780396.25783.22.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> References: <1019780396.25783.22.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1019847422.2680.15.camel@dizzy> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 26 Apr 2002 20:57:54 +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Kjartan! On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 02:19, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > Here's a snippet some of you might find helpful. > > gal-evolution-1-0-branch > galeon-1-2 > gconf-1-0 > gdm-2-2 > gnome-1-4-branch (gedit) > ggv-1-0 > ghex-1-2 > gimp-1-2 > glib-1-2 > gtk-1-2 > gnome-1-4-branch (gnome-control-center) > gnome-1-x-branch (gnome-db, libgda) > gnome-games-1-4 > gnome-media-1-0 > gnome-1-4-branch (gnome-print) > gnome-utils-1-4 > gnome-vfs-1 > gnome_1_4 (gnumeric) > gtkhtml-1-0-branch > LIBGTOP_STABLE_1_0 > librsvg-1-0 > gnome-1-4-branch (metatheme) > nautilus-gnome-1 > procman-1-0 > xscreensaver-i18n branch > > The only problem is that there's no guarantee that any of the modules > outside of the four I "control" are going to have new releases before > 1.4.1. So if you want to get new translations into stuff beside > gnome-libs, gnome-core, gnome-applets and control-center, you have to > start lobbying :) Thanks for the list. But first of all, we need a fully functional status page. The current one is nice, but it lacks some modules. Anyway, thx for the work, carlos! Greetings, Christian From chrisime@uni.de Fri Apr 26 14:57:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from basket.ball.reliam.net (basket.ball.reliam.net [213.91.6.7]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D16D1821C for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (pD9590944.dip.t-dialin.net [217.89.9.68]) by basket.ball.reliam.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FEE3D9F; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:57:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Doorman Release From: Christian Meyer To: Rodney Dawes Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1019838777.1583.3.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> References: <1019838777.1583.3.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1019847463.2586.17.camel@dizzy> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 26 Apr 2002 20:57:55 +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 18:32, Rodney Dawes wrote: > Hi, > > I am planning on releasing a new version of the gnome-doorman > module, and I updated a few strings in it. Could you kind fellows > please update the translations. I'd like to make the release this > coming Monday, April 29. Thanks. We should think about to include it in the stable status pages. Any objections? Greetings, Christian From dobey@ximian.com Fri Apr 26 16:47:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from dreadnought.ximian.com (gateway.ximian.com [141.154.95.125]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C6B181C7 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dobey@localhost) by dreadnought.ximian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3QKlAL02187; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:47:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dreadnought.ximian.com: dobey set sender to dobey@ximian.com using -f Subject: Re: Doorman Release From: Rodney Dawes To: Christian Meyer Cc: gnome-i18n List In-Reply-To: <1019847463.2586.17.camel@dizzy> References: <1019838777.1583.3.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> <1019847463.2586.17.camel@dizzy> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 26 Apr 2002 16:47:10 -0400 Message-Id: <1019854030.2178.4.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: No objections. It just needs a patch to gnome-core to work properly (so that it will run on log-in). -- dobey On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 14:57, Christian Meyer wrote: On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 18:32, Rodney Dawes wrote: > Hi, > > I am planning on releasing a new version of the gnome-doorman > module, and I updated a few strings in it. Could you kind fellows > please update the translations. I'd like to make the release this > coming Monday, April 29. Thanks. We should think about to include it in the stable status pages. Any objections? Greetings, Christian From chrisime@uni.de Fri Apr 26 17:32:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from basket.ball.reliam.net (basket.ball.reliam.net [213.91.6.7]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1BD18288 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (pD9590944.dip.t-dialin.net [217.89.9.68]) by basket.ball.reliam.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67E23DF5; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Doorman Release From: Christian Meyer To: Rodney Dawes Cc: gnome-i18n List In-Reply-To: <1019854030.2178.4.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> References: <1019838777.1583.3.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> <1019847463.2586.17.camel@dizzy> <1019854030.2178.4.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 26 Apr 2002 23:32:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1019856767.19504.0.camel@dizzy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Am Fre, 2002-04-26 um 22.47 schrieb Rodney Dawes: > No objections. It just needs a patch to gnome-core to work properly > (so that it will run on log-in). Great. 1.4.1 will rock! Greetings, Christian Meyer From sebol@ikhlas.com Fri Apr 26 23:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (rsh-75-62.tm.net.my [202.188.75.62]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B22A180F3 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebol@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3R3OeK04474; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:24:42 +0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: sebol owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:24:38 +0800 (MYT) From: "Hasbullah Bin Pit (sebol)" X-X-Sender: To: Christian Meyer Cc: Rodney Dawes , Subject: Re: Doorman Release In-Reply-To: <1019847463.2586.17.camel@dizzy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Christian Meyer wrote: > We should think about to include it in the stable status pages. > Any objections? Stupid question: What is doorman? -- Hasbullah Bin Pit (sebol) Fail .signature ini mengandungi enam belas aksara 'a' dan lapan aksara 'i' From dobey@ximian.com Sat Apr 27 02:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from dreadnought.ximian.com (gateway.ximian.com [141.154.95.125]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100CF1810D for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dobey@localhost) by dreadnought.ximian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3R6Hnc02464; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:17:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dreadnought.ximian.com: dobey set sender to dobey@ximian.com using -f Subject: Re: Doorman Release From: Rodney Dawes To: Hasbullah "Bin Pit (sebol)" Cc: Christian Meyer , gnome-i18n List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 27 Apr 2002 02:17:49 -0400 Message-Id: <1019888269.2438.4.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: A druid application to walk you through configuring some basic GNOME settings. -- dobey On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 23:24, Hasbullah Bin Pit (sebol) wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Christian Meyer wrote: > We should think about to include it in the stable status pages. > Any objections? Stupid question: What is doorman? -- Hasbullah Bin Pit (sebol) Fail .signature ini mengandungi enam belas aksara 'a' dan lapan aksara 'i' From dobey@ximian.com Sat Apr 27 02:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from dreadnought.ximian.com (gateway.ximian.com [141.154.95.125]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F093180E7 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dobey@localhost) by dreadnought.ximian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3R6sJD02511; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:54:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dreadnought.ximian.com: dobey set sender to dobey@ximian.com using -f Subject: Re: Doorman Release From: Rodney Dawes To: Christian Meyer Cc: gnome-i18n List In-Reply-To: <1019856767.19504.0.camel@dizzy> References: <1019838777.1583.3.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> <1019847463.2586.17.camel@dizzy> <1019854030.2178.4.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> <1019856767.19504.0.camel@dizzy> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 27 Apr 2002 02:54:19 -0400 Message-Id: <1019890459.2444.42.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hrmm. I don't have any objections to including it in the translations status page. However, I should probably object to it's inclusion in GNOME 1.4.1, and Kjarten probably will to. It is pretty Ximian-centric, and would require a lot of hacking to make it a generalized application. I doubt this amount of hacking could be done by the time 1.4.1 is ready. -- dobey On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 17:32, Christian Meyer wrote: Am Fre, 2002-04-26 um 22.47 schrieb Rodney Dawes: > No objections. It just needs a patch to gnome-core to work properly > (so that it will run on log-in). Great. 1.4.1 will rock! Greetings, Christian Meyer From bayazidi@arabeyes.org Sat Apr 27 10:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from accessme.com.jo (unknown [217.23.32.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6481181C0 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([217.23.33.189]) by accessme.com.jo (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23396 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:06:51 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Isam Bayazidi To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: difficulties with Gnome Translation Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:05:23 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all OK I guess that some knows that Arabic in a new comer to Gnome, and we at Arabeyes ( www.arabeyes.org) are trying to get that new comer a place in Gnome. Translation project in Arabeyes had been there for 8 months, where it helped getting Arabic language with KDE3 (Translated around 26000+ strings). And we are hoping to get an Arabic interface for Gnome in the releases that comes after the 2.0 .. nevertheless it seems that the different ways of handling translation files and i18n issues between KDE and Gnome caused us a slow start, things that we found to be complicated: - Template files (POT) are available through http rather than CVS. - Template files that are available through http have inconsistent file names, they are names : modulename.cvstag.pot .. and the cvs tag could be HEAD or any Tag, knowing that each module got it's own tag.. while all KDE modules are taged with the same tag name each release .. - Translated PO files are inconsistent places in the module tree, checking in changes is not an easy job. Please do not understand that I am to compare between KDE and Gnome, I truly like the Gnome way, and highly appreciate everyones efforts in making this great environment.. but I wanted to express the difficulties we faced moving from KDE Traslation to Gnome Translation .. and with all my respect to everyones effort, it seems that KDE did a great job i18n wise and that lead to have around 50 languages shiped with the latest KDE 3 release.. The KDE team realised that the ones that are doing Translation work are translators, not developers, and facilitated the translation job for them.. -- Yours, Isam Bayazidi Amman - Jordan ==================================================== Think Linux + Think Arabic = Think www.arabeyes.org ==================================================== From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 11:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3351811E for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RFp7K22828; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:51:07 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: Isam Bayazidi Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> References: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 27 Apr 2002 17:51:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: l=F6r 2002-04-27 klockan 16.05 skrev Isam Bayazidi: > - Template files (POT) are available through http rather than CVS. I don't know much about this, but I suspect that the generated pot files could be put back into cvs (in the status section) by the status script if that would be useful. Carlos and other people knowledgeable about the status script should know more about it. ;) > - Template files that are available through http have inconsistent file n= ames,=20 > they are names : modulename.cvstag.pot .. and the cvs tag could be HEAD o= r=20 > any Tag, knowing that each module got it's own tag.. while all KDE module= s=20 > are taged with the same tag name each release .. Most Gnome modules are very much independant software with their own maintainers, their own development, and their own release plans. That said, there are guidelines for how branches should be named, but I fail to understand how it should be possible for all modules to use the same branch schemes since it's different software and most of them are in different phases of development. > - Translated PO files are inconsistent places in the module tree, checkin= g in=20 > changes is not an easy job. How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's a very special case anyway. > Please do not understand that I am to compare between KDE and Gnome, I tr= uly=20 > like the Gnome way, and highly appreciate everyones efforts in making thi= s=20 > great environment.. but I wanted to express the difficulties we faced mov= ing=20 > from KDE Traslation to Gnome Translation .. No, I think we all appreciate the input. I am at least. :) It's interesting to get reports about the KDE translation process. We discussed the KDE process with a KDE developer (sorry, don't remember the name) at GUADEC2 but the differences in the process compared to the GNOME one are big I think (more on that later). So I think this may be the cause why it's difficult to adapt the benefits from one system to the other. KDE has a vastly different translation process (this is all from my understanding of it). They group translations from modules into larger "metamodules" with huge pot files that the translators translate. These ones are typically at least updated before each major KDE release. This gives translators less headache in knowing on how to deal with cvs branches, but it removes some of the fine-level granularity in deciding on what to translate (if metamodule A includes important messages in the software B but also uninteresting ones in C and D it may be difficult to organize the work after importance). This is at least from my understanding of it after the discussions with the KDE developer. On the other hand, GNOME lets each application store its own translations and lets the application always release often and independently with its own latest translations, and the GNOME-level cross-organization of translation is provided by the different translation status reports that lists what module version belongs in which GNOME release. This gives more work with cvs branches but gives more control to the translator, that can choose more freely on what to translate and when. As I said, this is all my understanding of it, feel free to correct the errors in what I described. >From this point of view, I prefer the current GNOME model, simply because I as a translator don't have infinite time resources and want better control of what I choose to translate, and I think the GNOME model gives this. An example of this would be xscreensaver -- most of the messages in the xscreensaver module are names and descriptions of various screensavers, and I don't consider them to be important to translate, at least not compared to many other UI messages that are more visible. I thus would hate if the xscreensaver module got bundled together with other modules in a larger meta-module -- suddenly the untranslated screensaver messages would consume time that are better needed for more important messages. > and with all my respect to=20 > everyones effort, it seems that KDE did a great job i18n wise and that le= ad=20 > to have around 50 languages shiped with the latest KDE 3 release.. If I count the locales listed on the current GNOME unstable status pages, I get the number 61 if I counted correctly. > The KDE team realised that the ones that are doing Translation work are > translators, not developers, and facilitated the translation job for > them.. I understand that simplification of the process is needed, but I'd hate if more fine-grained control of translation priorites was sacrified in the process. In that sense, I think the current GNOME model is beneficial for translators in that it gives translators the possibility to prioritize their work themselves. Not that it cannot be improved, it can, but I'm not convinced that the KDE scheme is a total win for translators. Christian From visnovsky@nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz Sat Apr 27 12:22:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.17.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE191851A for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (visnovsky@localhost) by nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3RGMIa14096; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:22:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:22:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Stanislav Visnovsky To: Christian Rose Cc: Isam Bayazidi , Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 27 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > > > - Template files that are available through http have inconsistent file names, > > they are names : modulename.cvstag.pot .. and the cvs tag could be HEAD or > > any Tag, knowing that each module got it's own tag.. while all KDE modules > > are taged with the same tag name each release .. > > Most Gnome modules are very much independant software with their own > maintainers, their own development, and their own release plans. That > said, there are guidelines for how branches should be named, but I fail > to understand how it should be possible for all modules to use the same > branch schemes since it's different software and most of them are in > different phases of development. But a large number of them are trying to be a part of the official GNOME (I think those on "unstable" for GNOME 2). All these should TRY to use the same branches (as is partially done for GNOME 1.4). > > > > - Translated PO files are inconsistent places in the module tree, checking in > > changes is not an easy job. > > How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use > module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's a > very special case anyway. and GIMP. > > > > Please do not understand that I am to compare between KDE and Gnome, I truly > > like the Gnome way, and highly appreciate everyones efforts in making this > > great environment.. but I wanted to express the difficulties we faced moving > > from KDE Traslation to Gnome Translation .. > > No, I think we all appreciate the input. I am at least. :) It's > interesting to get reports about the KDE translation process. We > discussed the KDE process with a KDE developer (sorry, don't remember > the name) at GUADEC2 but the differences in the process compared to the > GNOME one are big I think (more on that later). So I think this may be > the cause why it's difficult to adapt the benefits from one system to > the other. > > KDE has a vastly different translation process (this is all from my > understanding of it). They group translations from modules into larger > "metamodules" with huge pot files that the translators translate. These > ones are typically at least updated before each major KDE release. This > gives translators less headache in knowing on how to deal with cvs > branches, but it removes some of the fine-level granularity in deciding > on what to translate (if metamodule A includes important messages in the > software B but also uninteresting ones in C and D it may be difficult to > organize the work after importance). This is at least from my > understanding of it after the discussions with the KDE developer. > > On the other hand, GNOME lets each application store its own > translations and lets the application always release often and > independently with its own latest translations, and the GNOME-level > cross-organization of translation is provided by the different > translation status reports that lists what module version belongs in > which GNOME release. This gives more work with cvs branches but gives > more control to the translator, that can choose more freely on what to > translate and when. In KDE CVS, there is a module kde-i18n. Each team has its own subdirectory, e.g. "sk". There is also a "templates" subdirectory, where are stored all POTs from the whole CVS by their relative placement (module name / directory in the module ), e.g. kdebase/kcontrol.pot. The translated files are stored in the same structure but in the team's directory. For example, Slovak translation of KControl is in kde-i18n/sk/messages/kdebase/kcontrol.po (don't care about "messages" ATM). This makes it easy to create a packages for a given team, but it makes pretty hard to make a release of an application with all its translations (KDE releases the whole suite, GNOME CVS is more fragmented as I've pointed out already). Then, there is a file desktop.po, which contains all the translatable parts of .desktop files. In GNOME, we've got intltools to get this into PO itself. The .desktop files are regularly updated at KDE CVS. The kdelibs.po file contains all messages from KDElibs. These will show in the application as when the app uses standard KDE library. This is how KDE gets the consistent translation. The most used texts are stored in kdelibs! In fact, GNOME 2 is heading in the same direction via all those libgnome... libbonobo... etc. But in GNOME, the consistency is pretty hard to get, since the number of libraries is very large. In summary, KDE centralized approach makes it easy for translator to get the work done. All other parts are scripts and a few great, hard working guys. You can translate each app on its own, provided you have already translated kdelibs.po. In GNOME, the translator needs to know CVS a bit better, needs to update ChangeLogs, configure.in (!!), typically POTFILES.in etc. Then, there is that gnome-i18n (but that's another story). Now back to that "messages" subdirectory. KDE uses poxml application to convert DocBook documentation into PO-files and vice versa. Again, there are automatic scripts to create the translated documentation and put it into correct place in CVS. The DocBook/PO conversion makes the difference. I've translated over 50 application manuals in KDE myself this way, since I can use the PO tools (translation memory etc). Are those doctools in GNOME CVS about the same process? If you have any questions, please ask. But I think, GNOME can reach similar ease for translators and retain the current fragmented development approach. BTW, in KDE the languages MUST reach a defined level of completeness to be distributed = 100% of kdelibs.po, desktop.po and 80% (or 100%?) of all POT files in kdebase. There is 71 teams listed at http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php. Stanislav > > As I said, this is all my understanding of it, feel free to correct the > errors in what I described. > >From this point of view, I prefer the current GNOME model, simply > because I as a translator don't have infinite time resources and want > better control of what I choose to translate, and I think the GNOME > model gives this. > An example of this would be xscreensaver -- most of the messages in the > xscreensaver module are names and descriptions of various screensavers, > and I don't consider them to be important to translate, at least not > compared to many other UI messages that are more visible. I thus would > hate if the xscreensaver module got bundled together with other modules > in a larger meta-module -- suddenly the untranslated screensaver > messages would consume time that are better needed for more important > messages. > > > > and with all my respect to > > everyones effort, it seems that KDE did a great job i18n wise and that lead > > to have around 50 languages shiped with the latest KDE 3 release.. > > If I count the locales listed on the current GNOME unstable status > pages, I get the number 61 if I counted correctly. > > > > The KDE team realised that the ones that are doing Translation work are > > translators, not developers, and facilitated the translation job for > > them.. > > I understand that simplification of the process is needed, but I'd hate > if more fine-grained control of translation priorites was sacrified in > the process. In that sense, I think the current GNOME model is > beneficial for translators in that it gives translators the possibility > to prioritize their work themselves. Not that it cannot be improved, it > can, but I'm not convinced that the KDE scheme is a total win for > translators. > > > Christian > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > ----------------------------------------------------------- Stanislav Visnovsky Faculty of Mathematics and Physics Charles University, Prague From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 12:52:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73DF1825A; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RGqqK27818; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:52:52 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: i18n.gnome.org broken From: Christian Rose To: gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 27 Apr 2002 18:52:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1019926372.23247.169.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The http://i18n.gnome.org/ page seems to be broken. It seems to have been replaced by a much older and mostly non-working version of the page. Christian From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 12:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0786A1854E for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RGuEK28054; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:56:14 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: Stanislav Visnovsky Cc: Isam Bayazidi , gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 27 Apr 2002 18:56:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: l=F6r 2002-04-27 klockan 18.22 skrev Stanislav Visnovsky: > But a large number of them are trying to be a part of the official GNOME > (I think those on "unstable" for GNOME 2). All these should TRY to use > the same branches (as is partially done for GNOME 1.4). Yeah, I think it's unfortunate that the current GNOME unstable status contains items that will not officially be part of core GNOME 2.0 (for example modules that will be in Fifth Toe). I think this should be seperate reports. > > > - Translated PO files are inconsistent places in the module tree, che= cking in > > > changes is not an easy job. > > > > How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use > > module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's a > > very special case anyway. >=20 > and GIMP. Yeah, but GIMP is not GNOME (if you say anything different you will get a lot of angry Gimp people hunting you ;) > In KDE CVS, there is a module kde-i18n. Each team has its own > subdirectory, e.g. "sk". There is also a "templates" subdirectory, where > are stored all POTs from the whole CVS by their relative placement (modul= e > name / directory in the module ), e.g. kdebase/kcontrol.pot. >=20 > The translated files are stored in the same structure but in the team's > directory. For example, Slovak translation of KControl is in > kde-i18n/sk/messages/kdebase/kcontrol.po > (don't care about "messages" ATM). This makes it easy to create a package= s > for a given team, but it makes pretty hard to make a release of an > application with all its translations (KDE releases the whole suite, GNOM= E > CVS is more fragmented as I've pointed out already). >=20 > Then, there is a file desktop.po, which contains all the translatable > parts of .desktop files. In GNOME, we've got intltools to get this into P= O > itself. The .desktop files are regularly updated at KDE CVS. >=20 > The kdelibs.po file contains all messages from KDElibs. These will show i= n > the application as when the app uses standard KDE library. This is how KD= E > gets the consistent translation. The most used texts are stored in > kdelibs! This is also how it's done in GNOME -- developers can choose from the "stock" menus for example (in that case they will be translated centrally) or use their own (in that case it will be localized in the application). > In fact, GNOME 2 is heading in the same direction via all those > libgnome... libbonobo... This was also the situation before, but maybe it's more apparent in GNOME 2. > etc. But in GNOME, the consistency is pretty hard > to get, since the number of libraries is very large. Perhaps... in any case, the use of translation memories should help consistency. > In summary, KDE centralized approach makes it easy for translator to get > the work done. All other parts are scripts and a few great, hard working > guys. You can translate each app on its own, provided you have already > translated kdelibs.po. Great. > In GNOME, the translator needs to know CVS a bit better, needs to update > ChangeLogs, configure.in (!!), typically POTFILES.in etc. Then, there is > that gnome-i18n (but that's another story). How is the handlling of configure.in done in KDE? Is it scripts or does someone else have to add it manually? In this case, I prefer manually editing myself, because then I know that the current CVS version and all subsequent releases *will* use my translation, and not depend on someone else remembering to enable it. > Now back to that "messages" subdirectory. KDE uses poxml application to > convert DocBook documentation into PO-files and vice versa. Again, > there are automatic scripts to create the translated documentation and > put it into correct place in CVS. This looks very interesting. I think we discussed this with the KDE developer but if I remember correctly there was some technical reason that the KDE solution to this couldn't automatically be used by GNOME. > The DocBook/PO conversion makes the difference. I've translated over 50 > application manuals in KDE myself this way, since I can use the PO tools > (translation memory etc). Are those doctools in GNOME CVS about the same > process? I don't know, but I don't think so. I agree, being able to convert docs to and from po format is important to be able to translate and maintain doc translations. > If you have any questions, please ask. But I think, GNOME can reach > similar ease for translators and retain the current fragmented > development approach. Ok. Thanks for the feedback. > BTW, in KDE the languages MUST reach a defined level of completeness to b= e > distributed =3D 100% of kdelibs.po, desktop.po and 80% (or 100%?) of > all POT files in kdebase. There is 71 teams listed at > http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php. This sounds similar to the GNOME rules -- I think we have decided in the past that to be "supported" a translation must reach 75% status. Sadly, i18n.gnome.org seems to be non-functional, so I cannot check for sure. Christian From kenneth@gnu.org Sat Apr 27 13:12:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from stassen.k-net.dk (stassen.k-net.dtu.dk [130.225.71.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26AA1852B for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.pbk.dk (venus.bergsoe.dtu.dk [192.38.218.3]) by stassen.k-net.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A743A203; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:12:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from llephaane.bergsoe.dtu.dk (llephaane.bergsoe.dtu.dk [192.38.218.128]) by venus.pbk.dk (8.11.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g3RH9pS29918; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:09:51 +0200 Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen To: Christian Rose Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> References: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3.99 Date: 27 Apr 2002 19:09:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1019927349.17288.12.camel@llephaane> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: l=F8r, 2002-04-27 kl. 18:56 skrev Christian Rose: =20 > Now back to that "messages" subdirectory. KDE uses poxml application to > convert DocBook documentation into PO-files and vice versa. Again, > there are automatic scripts to create the translated documentation an= d > put it into correct place in CVS. =20 This looks very interesting. I think we discussed this with the KDE developer but if I remember correctly there was some technical reason that the KDE solution to this couldn't automatically be used by GNOME. We have something like this, but I never used it. It is in intltool if you build it and is called doc-i18n-tool and is written by Jonathan @ Red Hat. We ought to look into this From sven@gimp.org Sat Apr 27 13:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from bender.convergence.de (pD9E7DA4C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.231.218.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673E518582 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neo by bender.convergence.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 171W2G-0004Ty-00; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:31:00 +0200 To: Christian Rose Cc: Isam Bayazidi , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation References: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> From: Sven Neumann Date: 27 Apr 2002 19:31:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Christian Rose writes: > > > How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use > > > module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's a > > > very special case anyway. > > > > and GIMP. > > Yeah, but GIMP is not GNOME (if you say anything different you will get > a lot of angry Gimp people hunting you ;) nevertheless I'd very much appreciate to see The GIMP being translated to more languages. Especially arabic dialects would be nice to have. However I don't see a way to put all our translations into one catalog, but I'll do my very best to ease the job of the people that help to translate The GIMP. Just let me know. Salut, Sven From maddog@linuxhall.org Sat Apr 27 13:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FC018430 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 171WAr-0000KG-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:39:54 +0800 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:39:31 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Christian Rose Cc: Stanislav Visnovsky , Isam Bayazidi , "gnome-i18n@gnome.org" Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 27 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > l=F6r 2002-04-27 klockan 18.22 skrev Stanislav Visnovsky: > > But a large number of them are trying to be a part of the official GNOM= E > > (I think those on "unstable" for GNOME 2). All these should TRY to use > > the same branches (as is partially done for GNOME 1.4). >=20 > Yeah, I think it's unfortunate that the current GNOME unstable status > contains items that will not officially be part of core GNOME 2.0 (for > example modules that will be in Fifth Toe). I think this should be > seperate reports. I do think so too. However, nothing similar exists, and I have to show people that these software are porting to GNOME 2, making them available for translation effort. Actually I still know even more modules that are porting to GNOME 2, but I haven't make them available yet. This is an internim solution; things are up to Carlos to decide. > > > > - Translated PO files are inconsistent places in the module tree, c= hecking in > > > > changes is not an easy job. > > > > > > How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use > > > module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's a > > > very special case anyway. > >=20 > > and GIMP. >=20 > Yeah, but GIMP is not GNOME (if you say anything different you will get > a lot of angry Gimp people hunting you ;) The second reason is that Gimp has a *VERY* large number of strings to be translated (4000+), and they need to be categorized. Gimp has po/ directory too. But granted, first-time gimp translators are more likely to step on toes. --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From maddog@linuxhall.org Sat Apr 27 13:44:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA2A18430 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 171WEg-0000Ka-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:43:50 +0800 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:43:48 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Sven Neumann Cc: Christian Rose , Isam Bayazidi , "gnome-i18n@gnome.org" Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 27 Apr 2002, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > nevertheless I'd very much appreciate to see The GIMP being translated > to more languages. Especially arabic dialects would be nice to have. > However I don't see a way to put all our translations into one > catalog, but I'll do my very best to ease the job of the people that > help to translate The GIMP. Just let me know. > > Salut, Sven For one thing; first-time translators usually may not notice the README.i18n file, hence making errors that they don't know of. Perhaps put a link into po/ directory, and rename it into some way that alerts people more, say, 'WARNING.i18n' ? Abel -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From ke@gnu.franken.de Sat Apr 27 14:35:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F7E185D2 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 171X1S-0004uq-00; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:34:14 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id E9CB8A43F2; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:32:26 +0200 (CEST) To: Stanislav Visnovsky Cc: Christian Rose , Isam Bayazidi , Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation References: In-Reply-To: (Stanislav Visnovsky's message of "Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:22:17 +0200 (MET DST)") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:32:26 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Stanislav Visnovsky writes: > In GNOME, the translator needs to know CVS a bit better, needs to update > ChangeLogs, configure.in (!!), typically POTFILES.in etc. ChangeLog : nice to have :) configure.in: switching to gettext 0.11.x not necessary any longer (instead use po/LINGUAS) POTFILES.in : maintainer's job > Then, there is that gnome-i18n (but that's another story). I don't want to comment on this "feature". -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 15:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349E3185ED for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RJPIK10378; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:25:18 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: difficulties with Gimp Translation From: Christian Rose To: Sven Neumann Cc: Isam Bayazidi , gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 27 Apr 2002 21:25:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1019935518.23247.201.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: l=F6r 2002-04-27 klockan 19.31 skrev Sven Neumann: > > > > How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use > > > > module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's = a > > > > very special case anyway. > > >=20 > > > and GIMP. > >=20 > > Yeah, but GIMP is not GNOME (if you say anything different you will get > > a lot of angry Gimp people hunting you ;) >=20 > nevertheless I'd very much appreciate to see The GIMP being translated > to more languages. Especially arabic dialects would be nice to have. > However I don't see a way to put all our translations into one > catalog, but I'll do my very best to ease the job of the people that > help to translate The GIMP. Just let me know. I think the cleanest solution would be to actually split gimp into several modules in cvs, each one with its own message catalog. Christian From bayazidi@arabeyes.org Sat Apr 27 15:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from accessme.com.jo (unknown [217.23.32.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4125182EB for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([217.23.34.23]) by accessme.com.jo (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03864 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:55:29 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Isam Bayazidi To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:54:01 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> In-Reply-To: <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Saturday 27 April 2002 18:51, Christian Rose wrote: > > - Translated PO files are inconsistent places in the module tree, > > checking in changes is not an easy job. > > How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use > module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's a > very special case anyway. Well in KDE we put all the PO files for our language in one place in the CVS tree .. that is in the kde-i18n/ar/messages .. that really ease the life of the traslation team maintainer .. all I have to do to check the files in is to do a 'cvs commit' while I am in the kde-i18n/ar .. while with Gnome approch, I have to either commit each file in seperate, or to have a tree structure that is semilar to the Gnome CVS tree structure, that would sparce the PO files :-) take note that we have our own CVS .. and we commit our changes to the Gnome CVS priodly .. > > everyones effort, it seems that KDE did a great job i18n wise and that > > lead to have around 50 languages shiped with the latest KDE 3 release.. > > If I count the locales listed on the current GNOME unstable status > pages, I get the number 61 if I counted correctly. > Well the languages that got translated enough to be shiped is 50+ languages .. while I doubt that this number of langauges will be with Gnome .. I think that the translation in Gnome is taken care by developers :-) developers like it the best way and that is not the easy way :-) I think that it can be simplified .. Think about what I have to do every commit to Gnome: 1) grab the latest POT files by wget 2) msgmerge with our current PO files 3) check them in to the different module/po one by one .. I can not use the module.ar.po ( that I can get my wget too) which is the translation file for the module in Arabic becuase it will be outdated as all the translation occure in our CVS rather than Gnome CVS .. now the latest POT for each module have different names each time .. module.HEAD.pot today could be module.NEW_TAG.pot tomorrow .. I guess that discluding the TAG from the file name would be better, as it will be known that the "status" will always include the latest, without the need to refering to which tag it is from .. but again I am not from this world (Gnome World) so I may not know the reasons why things are this way .. but I am trying to overcome these difficulties .. -- Yours, Isam Bayazidi Amman - Jordan ==================================================== Think Linux + Think Arabic = Think www.arabeyes.org ==================================================== From elzubeir@arabeyes.org Sat Apr 27 16:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from arabeyes.org (crtntx1-ar4-003-117.crtntx1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.3.117]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5956A1810B for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arabeyes.org (elzubeir@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabeyes.org (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g3RKS7aK018213; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:28:07 -0500 Received: (from elzubeir@localhost) by arabeyes.org (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g3RKS7Mp018211; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:28:07 -0500 From: Mohammed Elzubeir Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:28:07 -0500 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation Message-ID: <20020427152807.B17537@arabeyes.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Gnome system seems to place the developers' individual applications' independence very high. That is very well, and it needs not be compromised. However, it is also under the assumption that translations would be as spread out as the applications' po/'s. In other words, it seems that translators are expected to be individually motivated by X,Y persons who want to translate application Y. As opposed to Team 1 wanting to translate the entire Gnome environment and all the major applications that come with it. In Arabic's case, as noted by Isam in an earlier post, we maintain our own CVS.. since the Arabeyes project deals with more than just translation. We have our team of translators who work directly with our CVS so we can locally centralize the process, and focus on what our coordinators decide. The problem begins with locating all the applications. Every application has its own po/ directory. Which application, and where is it? Do we have to search the entire cvs? What about applications that have version numbers in the module name? How do we work with that, as it changes? When one considers that, this current setup allows better freedom to the translators to decide on what needs special attention (xscreensaver example cited).. that is the job of the translation team coordinator. One can easily ask the team to ignore certain parts and concentrate on others via the team's mailing-list(s), and translation status page (note http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=3Dgnome-i18n).=20 As far as dealing w/ Gnome, I think centralized documentation on what is involved (from a-z) would be very nice. There are _many_ tools that are lying around which could be used to remedy this, but most of us either don't know about them, or how to use them.=20 In other words, think in terms of automating the transition, from our CVS to the Gnome CVS.. if you were to script this entire process, what would you need to do? All the steps.. from locating the pot's to downloading them, to committing it to our cvs, to modifying it, to sending it back... etc. Once we know all that, we can work around it, script it.. and offer it for other teams who may find it useful. I know that most translation teams may not of have gone all the way as Arabeyes has, in terms of cvs, mailing-lists, etc. But, it certainly makes the process easier, and much faster.=20 Thanks --=20 ------------------------------------------------------- | Mohammed Elzubeir | Visit us at: | | | http://www.arabeyes.org/ | | Arabeyes Project | Homepage: | | Unix the 'right' way | http://fakkir.net/~elzubeir/| ------------------------------------------------------- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8ywnXfcD8ko9HOlwRAisBAKChUpPQEoSxo+cJylRkFMdVbCumOACgqwwA K3/l/KebPyKtbUcR9Daw3G0= =S8e/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk-- From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 16:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702C41810B for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RKleK16922; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:47:41 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: Isam Bayazidi Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> References: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 27 Apr 2002 22:47:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1019940461.23263.238.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: l=F6r 2002-04-27 klockan 21.54 skrev Isam Bayazidi: > > > - Translated PO files are inconsistent places in the module tree, > > > checking in changes is not an easy job. > > > > How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use > > module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's a > > very special case anyway. >=20 > Well in KDE we put all the PO files for our language in one place in the = CVS=20 > tree .. that is in the kde-i18n/ar/messages .. that really ease the life = of=20 > the traslation team maintainer .. all I have to do to check the files in = is=20 > to do a 'cvs commit' while I am in the kde-i18n/ar .. while with Gnome=20 > approch, I have to either commit each file in seperate I don't understand why this is a problem. When I update translations, I do it one by one, so I commit them one by one too. > or to have a tree structure that is semilar to the Gnome CVS tree structu= re, > that would sparce the PO files :-) I actually have both. :) I have a directory tree with the code locally that resembles how it's stored in cvs (that I normally use and that I update from cvs) and also a "flat" directory with symbolic links to all Gnome translations. I use the second one for easy generation of the translation memory and for presenting on the web (http://www.menthos.com/po/gnome/). But that's all I use it for. And adding symlinks is easy. > take note that we have our own CVS .. and we commit our changes to > the Gnome CVS priodly .. That may be part of why you experience the GNOME setup and the syncing with it as troublesome, I think. To someone that doesn't have to sync the contents with a local cvs with an entirely different layout the process is a bit easier, I presume. > > > everyones effort, it seems that KDE did a great job i18n wise and tha= t > > > lead to have around 50 languages shiped with the latest KDE 3 release= .. > > > > If I count the locales listed on the current GNOME unstable status > > pages, I get the number 61 if I counted correctly. >=20 > Well the languages that got translated enough to be shiped is 50+ languag= es ..=20 Ok. > while I doubt that this number of langauges will be with Gnome .. I think= =20 > that the translation in Gnome is taken care by developers :-) developers = like=20 > it the best way and that is not the easy way :-) I think that it can be=20 > simplified .. It of course depends on how you define "developer". If the definition is that it's someone who has learnt to use cvs branches effectively, then I think "yes". But yes, it can be simplified. > Think about what I have to do every commit to Gnome: > 1) grab the latest POT files by wget You don't have to do that. Just grab the latest ar.po from the status pages. They are already merged. > 2) msgmerge with our current PO files The status pages takes care of that. > 3) check them in to the different module/po one by one .. As translations are usually worked upon one by one by a single translator or independantly by several translators, they are usually never completed at the same time. So I don't see why you have to commit them by the same time, just commit them one by one as they are finished. > I can not use the module.ar.po ( that I can get my wget too) which is the= =20 > translation file for the module in Arabic becuase it will be outdated as = all=20 > the translation occure in our CVS rather than Gnome CVS .. Isn't then the problem really that you do your work in your local cvs, with a totally different structure and procedure, instead of the Gnome one? Most of the problems you report seems to be based in this setup, and I don't really think that it is "general problems" with the Gnome translation procedure. > now the latest POT for each module have different names each time ..=20 > module.HEAD.pot today could be module.NEW_TAG.pot tomorrow .. I can see that this will be a problem if you try to fetch pot files over http. But you can get the module information and filename information from gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml in cvs and based on that I think it would be rather straightforward to make your script know the filename of the file to fetch. > I guess that=20 > discluding the TAG from the file name would be better, as it will be know= n=20 > that the "status" will always include the latest, without the need to=20 > refering to which tag it is from .. That's true, but I think the branch name in the file name helps avoid mistakes when later committing files, so that the translation does not get into the wrong branch by accident. > but again I am not from this world (Gnome World) so I may not know the re= asons=20 > why things are this way .. but I am trying to overcome these difficulties= .. Discussion is the first step. :-) Christian From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 17:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE2C18675 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RLTfK20029; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:29:41 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: Mohammed Elzubeir Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= In-Reply-To: <20020427152807.B17537@arabeyes.org> References: <20020427152807.B17537@arabeyes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 27 Apr 2002 23:29:41 +0200 Message-Id: <1019942981.23263.281.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: l=F6r 2002-04-27 klockan 22.28 skrev Mohammed Elzubeir: > The Gnome system seems to place the developers' individual applications' > independence very high. That is very well, and it needs not be > compromised. However, it is also under the assumption that translations > would be as spread out as the applications' po/'s. In other words, it > seems that translators are expected to be individually motivated by X,Y > persons who want to translate application Y. As opposed to Team 1 > wanting to translate the entire Gnome environment and all the major > applications that come with it. I don't see any conflict in this. For those who want to translate "all of Gnome" and may not be much interested in the individual applications by their own but rather of the environment as a whole, the status pages is the resource to use. They define what should be translated if Gnome is to be translated(*). (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lot of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. > In Arabic's case, as noted by Isam in an earlier post, we maintain our > own CVS.. since the Arabeyes project deals with more than just > translation. We have our team of translators who work directly with our > CVS so we can locally centralize the process, and focus on what our > coordinators decide. Ok. I think that each translation policy has its benefits and drwabacks, and the policy of doing and maintaining work locally instead of upstream of course also applies to this. This is the same problem that every distributor has when branching software and adding patches and maintaining local copies. Sometimes it's just the price that has to be paid that merging with upstream becomes more difficult. > The problem begins with locating all the applications. Every application > has its own po/ directory. Which application, and where is it? Do we > have to search the entire cvs? Which application -> look at the name in the html status report, or parse gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml. The name of the po dir -> parse gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml. In almost all cases this should be "po". Which branch -> look at the branch information in the html status report (at the bottom), or parse gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml. > What about applications that have version numbers in the module name? > How do we work with that, as it changes? You mean like "anjuta2"? This use of version numbers in module names is NOT recommended in gnome cvs, and the reason it is the way it is for some modules is most likely just because some developers didn't pay enough attention in the past. For some modules it is somewhat warranted because it's actually independant versions of the software maintained by different people and total rewrites, but no new modules with such module names should be added. For now, just consider them as seperate pieces of software. When those modules are removed or pronounced dead for some other reason at some point in the future, you will be likely to hear about it on gnome-i18n@gnome.org, and translation-status.xml and the status pages will be updated accordingly too. > When one considers that, this current setup allows better freedom to the > translators to decide on what needs special attention (xscreensaver > example cited).. that is the job of the translation team coordinator. > One can easily ask the team to ignore certain parts and concentrate on > others via the team's mailing-list(s), and translation status page (note > http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=3Dgnome-i18n).=20 Yes, that's why the granularity is needed. > As far as dealing w/ Gnome, I think centralized documentation on what is > involved (from a-z) would be very nice. There are _many_ tools that are > lying around which could be used to remedy this, but most of us either > don't know about them, or how to use them.=20 That's certainly a general problem. The reason there isn't any documentation or bad documentation about the tools is that noone has time to improve it or has offered to improve it. So any help to make this better is welcome! For example, kenneth has asked many times for help with providing docs for intltool, and there are also many other areas where docs are needed to get translators started. If you have the possibility to help, please don't hesitate to do so! :) > In other words, think in terms of automating the transition, from our > CVS to the Gnome CVS.. if you were to script this entire process, what > would you need to do? All the steps.. from locating the pot's to > downloading them, to committing it to our cvs, to modifying it, to > sending it back... etc. Once we know all that, we can work > around it, script it.. and offer it for other teams who may find it > useful. I know that most translation teams may not of have gone all the > way as Arabeyes has, in terms of cvs, mailing-lists, etc. But, it > certainly makes the process easier, and much faster. As I see it, the size of the Arabic translation team is exceptional (I would suspect most other translation teams to be less than 10 persons, perhaps most of them even less than five persons, where the numbers of those who are actively and regularily contributing being even less), and I think it's also not common that they in addition to Gnome also handle the translation of most other free software projects. :) That being said, I think it would be great if we could ease the process for those (that?) translation team that uses its own cvs like the Arabeyes team, if we can avoid having to change the process for all other translation teams. But I have no idea on how to do that, or if it's at all possible. Christian From elzubeir@arabeyes.org Sat Apr 27 17:59:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from arabeyes.org (crtntx1-ar4-003-117.crtntx1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.3.117]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2A718233 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arabeyes.org (elzubeir@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabeyes.org (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g3RLvsaK018751; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:57:54 -0500 Received: (from elzubeir@localhost) by arabeyes.org (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g3RLvopW018749; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:57:50 -0500 From: Mohammed Elzubeir Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:57:50 -0500 To: Christian Rose Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Carlos Perell? Mar?n , doc@arabeyes.org Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation Message-ID: <20020427165750.D17537@arabeyes.org> References: <20020427152807.B17537@arabeyes.org> <1019942981.23263.281.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hOcCNbCCxyk/YU74" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1019942981.23263.281.camel@daim.menthos.com>; from menthos@menthos.com on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 11:29:41PM +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --hOcCNbCCxyk/YU74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 11:29:41PM +0200, Christian Rose wrote: >=20 > I don't see any conflict in this. For those who want to translate "all > of Gnome" and may not be much interested in the individual applications > by their own but rather of the environment as a whole, the status pages > is the resource to use. They define what should be translated if Gnome > is to be translated(*). >=20 > (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable > status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lot > of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we > need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really > appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. Okay, so we know where to go for the definitive answer, but it is currently 'buggy' ;) I will simply keep this in mind as we try to restructure ourselves to adapt to Gnome's setup. > Ok. I think that each translation policy has its benefits and drwabacks, > and the policy of doing and maintaining work locally instead of upstream > of course also applies to this. This is the same problem that every > distributor has when branching software and adding patches and > maintaining local copies. Sometimes it's just the price that has to be > paid that merging with upstream becomes more difficult. You are right. We believe that the benefits outweigh the setbacks. For example, once we settle this issue and have this process automated on our side to sync properly w/ Gnome.. the rest is all a cruise ;) In other words, the overhead is big, but the payoff is worth it, IMHO. > Which application -> look at the name in the html status report, or > parse gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml. Noted. Thanks.. that seems to be the #1 file to look at ;) > You mean like "anjuta2"? This use of version numbers in module names is Yes ;) Of course I don't know what the life-cycle on these names are like, but it scares me to think of it ;) But from what you are saying, they are there.. but shouldn't of have been.. or are exceptions.. and should be treated as if they are an individual package all on its own. Fair enough. > That's certainly a general problem. The reason there isn't any > documentation or bad documentation about the tools is that noone has > time to improve it or has offered to improve it. So any help to make > this better is welcome! For example, kenneth has asked many times for > help with providing docs for intltool, and there are also many other > areas where docs are needed to get translators started. If you have the > possibility to help, please don't hesitate to do so! :) We first need to understand it, to be able to help in documenting it ;) I think I chatted with kenneth on irc some time back about this. > As I see it, the size of the Arabic translation team is exceptional (I And our current setup is what allows for the number of volunteers to expand without having to worry about it. It is one of the main reasons why we have our own CVS, etc. So translators would only have to be accustomed to one setup, and work on various translation projects (be it Gnome or otherwise).. and we have to worry about making sure the integration between our setup and other projects' (e.g. Gnome) work ;) > would suspect most other translation teams to be less than 10 persons, > perhaps most of them even less than five persons, where the numbers of > those who are actively and regularily contributing being even less), and > I think it's also not common that they in addition to Gnome also handle > the translation of most other free software projects. :) You are right. For most languages, that is not a problem. For Arabic, such translation has not been there before. Arabeyes tries to centralize all Arabization efforts under one umbrella to speed it up (as you may know, Arabic support has been seriously lacking until just recently).. for example, not until gnome2 w/ Pango support did Arabic become possible. > That being said, I think it would be great if we could ease the process > for those (that?) translation team that uses its own cvs like the > Arabeyes team, if we can avoid having to change the process for all > other translation teams. But I have no idea on how to do that, or if > it's at all possible. Oh certainly. I'm not advocating accommodating our setup only. We are simply trying to understand the differences so we can make it automated. And if there are good general changes, then we would recommend them ;) But from this, I conclude that the first step is to look at gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml and work from there. I am sure that once we get this automated, other teams would want to follow our model. It has been successful in previous translations, and I think it can/will be successful w/ Gnome. after all, I am an avid gnome user myself and would like to see Arabic in Gnome soon ;)=20 later --=20 ------------------------------------------------------- | Mohammed Elzubeir | Visit us at: | | | http://www.arabeyes.org/ | | Arabeyes Project | Homepage: | | Unix the 'right' way | http://fakkir.net/~elzubeir/| ------------------------------------------------------- --hOcCNbCCxyk/YU74 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8yx7efcD8ko9HOlwRAkOYAJ9SjMREI/4srRENlBDJOaln0mddCQCeLX+c H23X+AqRwYZcxBPsAGapcDs= =SbT8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hOcCNbCCxyk/YU74-- From Sander.Vesik@Sun.COM Sat Apr 27 18:02:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A4718367 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23399; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blossom (blossom [129.156.238.67]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g3RM1xT04619; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:01:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:01:59 +0100 (BST) From: Sander Vesik X-Sender: sv117949@blossom To: Christian Rose Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019940461.23263.238.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 27 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > > > 3) check them in to the different module/po one by one .. > > As translations are usually worked upon one by one by a single > translator or independantly by several translators, they are usually > never completed at the same time. So I don't see why you have to commit > them by the same time, just commit them one by one as they are finished. > Well, this assumes you translate application by applicatio instead of working on the strings. if instead you just work on a set that is the untranslated strings in gnome, and it passes through review, then this is not really true any more. > > Christian > Sander I see a dark sail on the horizon Set under a dark cloud that hides the sun Bring me my Broadsword and clear understanding From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 18:07:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E0718233 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C51F78383; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:07:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Isam Bayazidi Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> References: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-tAqptLiINJIDqFOj4Hyt" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 00:07:42 +0200 Message-Id: <1019945262.442.6.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-tAqptLiINJIDqFOj4Hyt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El s=E1b, 27-04-2002 a las 21:54, Isam Bayazidi escribi=F3:=20 > On Saturday 27 April 2002 18:51, Christian Rose wrote: > > > - Translated PO files are inconsistent places in the module tree, > > > checking in changes is not an easy job. > > > > How is this? I'm not aware of any module that doesn't use > > module_name/po/ for storing po files, except gnome-i18n but that's a > > very special case anyway. >=20 >=20 > Well in KDE we put all the PO files for our language in one place in the = CVS=20 > tree .. that is in the kde-i18n/ar/messages .. that really ease the life = of=20 > the traslation team maintainer .. all I have to do to check the files in = is=20 > to do a 'cvs commit' while I am in the kde-i18n/ar .. while with Gnome=20 > approch, I have to either commit each file in seperate, or to have a tree= =20 > structure that is semilar to the Gnome CVS tree structure, that would spa= rce=20 > the PO files :-) take note that we have our own CVS .. and we commit our=20 > changes to the Gnome CVS priodly .. >=20 >=20 > > > everyones effort, it seems that KDE did a great job i18n wise and tha= t > > > lead to have around 50 languages shiped with the latest KDE 3 release= .. > > > > If I count the locales listed on the current GNOME unstable status > > pages, I get the number 61 if I counted correctly. > > >=20 > Well the languages that got translated enough to be shiped is 50+ languag= es ..=20 > while I doubt that this number of langauges will be with Gnome .. I think= =20 > that the translation in Gnome is taken care by developers :-) developers = like=20 > it the best way and that is not the easy way :-) I think that it can be=20 > simplified .. >=20 > Think about what I have to do every commit to Gnome: > 1) grab the latest POT files by wget > 2) msgmerge with our current PO files > 3) check them in to the different module/po one by one .. >=20 > I can not use the module.ar.po ( that I can get my wget too) which is the= =20 > translation file for the module in Arabic becuase it will be outdated as = all=20 > the translation occure in our CVS rather than Gnome CVS .. You are wrong here. The module.ar.po files are updated all days against latest cvs version (well, they should be updated all days. It's my fault if they are not updated).=20 >=20 > now the latest POT for each module have different names each time ..=20 > module.HEAD.pot today could be module.NEW_TAG.pot tomorrow .. I guess tha= t=20 > discluding the TAG from the file name would be better, as it will be know= n=20 > that the "status" will always include the latest, without the need to=20 > refering to which tag it is from .. The idea with the name.TAG.pot pattern is that you, the translator, will know the branch where you should commit the file. Some time ago we didn't use this information and the translators were asking me for this feature. > but again I am not from this world (Gnome World) so I may not know the re= asons=20 > why things are this way .. but I am trying to overcome these difficulties= .. Please, feel free to ask anything you need. Also, the status scripts are beeing modified now so If you have any suggest= ion/improvement about them, please feel free to send me it. Cheers. P.S.: This thread is really big and I don't have time today to answer all y= our questions, please be pacient I should finish some changes to generate today status pag= es, tomorrow I will answer more mails (or perhaps tonight, but only after statu= s=20 update ;-). And yes THE SOLUTION is at gnome-i18n/status/translation-status= .xml Cheers. >=20 > --=20 > Yours, > Isam Bayazidi > Amman - Jordan > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > Think Linux + Think Arabic =3D Think www.arabeyes.org > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-tAqptLiINJIDqFOj4Hyt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yyEtEuPMamD5V9cRAqN0AJ4kXga+mXjJb78zAYs+G5vcUxbB2gCfVD9F OrM1qHXdYNfYXtHxJD5VPU0= =1+xj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-tAqptLiINJIDqFOj4Hyt-- From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 18:18:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AC3186B6 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RMI8K23624; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:18:08 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: gnome-i18n-status Bugzilla category? From: Christian Rose To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019945262.442.6.camel@frodo> References: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019945262.442.6.camel@frodo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 28 Apr 2002 00:18:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1019945889.26256.306.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 00.07 skrev Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn: [...] > P.S.: This thread is really big and I don't have time today to answer all= your questions, > please be pacient I should finish some changes to generate today status p= ages, > tomorrow I will answer more mails (or perhaps tonight, but only after sta= tus=20 > update ;-). And yes THE SOLUTION is at gnome-i18n/status/translation-stat= us.xml Carlos, couldn't we use Bugzilla for bugs and requests about the status pages, and set up a component for it? I can imagine that from the sheer number of mails and comments on irc and all possible discussions that it's very difficult to remember all the comments and suggestions that people have for the status pages/status scripts. So how about a "gnome-i18n-status" product in Bugzilla, or possibly a "gnome-i18n" product with a "status" component (whichever is considered best) that lets people log bugs against the status pages/scripts? Christian From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 18:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E408518233 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D6C78489; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:29:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Karl Eichwalder Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019663262.1614.38.camel@sevilla.gnome.no> <20020424140232.GA25681@rap.rap.dk> <1019657743.432.65.camel@frodo> <20020424194725.GA13263@deaddog.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-lIEsMmks7jxcTEDuO5TM" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 00:29:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1019946557.525.24.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-lIEsMmks7jxcTEDuO5TM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mi=E9, 24-04-2002 a las 22:37, Karl Eichwalder escribi=F3: > "R.I.P. Deaddog" writes: >=20 > > Problem is, people who installed gettext 0.11.x is minority -- even > > less than those who have glibc >=3D 2.1. >=20 > Only package maintainers will have to install it (those who generate the > .mo files distributed with the .tar.gz/.tar.bz2 archives). >=20 > Sorry for the confusion: you will not have to convert the PO/MO files at > installation time but at packaging time. I think it was my fault, sorry. The main problem is... How should you test it? (I don't know if it's possible or not with automake/autoconf) I mean, the autogen.sh script should check that the mantainer has gettext >=3D 0.11 but the configure.in check for gettext should look for any gettext... I don't know if it's more easy than recode a file into your own locale, edit the file and then reencode it as UTF8 and commit it. I think that we should ask at gnome-hackers for the mantainers point of view... One thing is true, we should FIX it before GNOME 2.0 release. It's a really critical bug for any user with a glibc < 2.2 (RedHat < 6.2, debian potato, and I think, any system without glibc and gettext < 0.11) Cheers. >=20 > --=20 > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-lIEsMmks7jxcTEDuO5TM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yyY9EuPMamD5V9cRAtk+AJ4wtAW6YPaGrqvXld1Mql0WcVnubACgiQzR M5BT3tbPuyy5gXUQdW6B4jc= =rLgZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-lIEsMmks7jxcTEDuO5TM-- From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 18:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27183186E3 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RMWAK24716; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:32:10 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: Sander Vesik Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 28 Apr 2002 00:32:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1019946730.23263.321.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 00.01 skrev Sander Vesik: > > > 3) check them in to the different module/po one by one .. > >=20 > > As translations are usually worked upon one by one by a single > > translator or independantly by several translators, they are usually > > never completed at the same time. So I don't see why you have to commit > > them by the same time, just commit them one by one as they are finished= . >=20 > Well, this assumes you translate application by applicatio instead of > working on the strings. if instead you just work on a set that is the > untranslated strings in gnome, and it passes through review, then this is > not really true any more. I think that even if you translate all of Gnome at once, dividing the work into translating and reviewing application by application is the most natural seperation of the work. We do reviews in the Swedish team, and asking people to review more than one application translation at the time has proven unsuccessful, since sometimes the translations are very large -- it seems one application at the time is what people prefer to review, at least in my experience. Christian From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 18:33:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E5F186F0; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E7978383; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:33:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: gnome-hackers Cc: GNOME i18n list Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-x7RBwsFduc+Oq9GQ6BbE" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 00:33:28 +0200 Message-Id: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-x7RBwsFduc+Oq9GQ6BbE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An introduction for gnome-hackers readers... We have a problem with l10n strings for GNOME 2.0. For all systems with glibc < 2.2 the autorecode feature of glibc is not available so all .po files should be encoded as UTF-8. We need mantainers opinion about this problem because it's a critical bug that needs a fix before GNOME 2.0 release. We have several options: 1.- Store all .po files for GNOME 2.0 at cvs.gnome.org as UTF-8 2.- Recode all .po files as UTF-8 at distribution time. The "problems" are: The option number 1 can cause some problems to translator people because the lack of UTF-8 editors to update the UTF-8 files. The option number 2 forces to use gettext >=3D 0.11 to all mantainers when they do a make dist and we should add a rule to execute the recode. Here you have the thread link to get more information about this issue: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2002-April/msg00075.html Cheers. --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-x7RBwsFduc+Oq9GQ6BbE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yyc3EuPMamD5V9cRAiI4AJ0ZqmQHOeNpmJQzIaCsTZkCNoIF8wCdHMDJ wZ9ai4bge5pp8hxKeH3v7S4= =IY8d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-x7RBwsFduc+Oq9GQ6BbE-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 18:37:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2107C186C2 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BD47840E; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:37:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: gnome-i18n-status Bugzilla category? From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Christian Rose Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019945889.26256.306.camel@daim.menthos.com> References: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019945262.442.6.camel@frodo> <1019945889.26256.306.camel@daim.menthos.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hiF5VLwKFS4IsFjbyboX" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 00:37:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1019947060.440.33.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hiF5VLwKFS4IsFjbyboX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 00:18, Christian Rose escribi=F3: > s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 00.07 skrev Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn: > [...] > > P.S.: This thread is really big and I don't have time today to answer a= ll your questions, > > please be pacient I should finish some changes to generate today status= pages, > > tomorrow I will answer more mails (or perhaps tonight, but only after s= tatus=20 > > update ;-). And yes THE SOLUTION is at gnome-i18n/status/translation-st= atus.xml >=20 > Carlos, couldn't we use Bugzilla for bugs and requests about the status > pages, and set up a component for it? I can imagine that from the sheer > number of mails and comments on irc and all possible discussions that > it's very difficult to remember all the comments and suggestions that > people have for the status pages/status scripts. >=20 > So how about a "gnome-i18n-status" product in Bugzilla, or possibly a > "gnome-i18n" product with a "status" component (whichever is considered > best) that lets people log bugs against the status pages/scripts? >=20 We have it already. I have send it here several times (I think...) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=3Dwebsite&component=3Dgtp&ema= il1=3D&emailtype1=3Dsubstring&emailassigned_to1=3D1&email2=3D&emailtype2=3D= substring&emailreporter2=3D1&changedin=3D&chfieldfrom=3D&chfieldto=3DNow&ch= fieldvalue=3D&short_desc=3D&short_desc_type=3Dsubstring&long_desc=3D&long_d= esc_type=3Dsubstring&bug_file_loc=3D&bug_file_loc_type=3Dsubstring&status_w= hiteboard=3D&status_whiteboard_type=3Dsubstring&keywords=3D&keywords_type= =3Danywords&op_sys_details=3D&op_sys_details_type=3Dsubstring&version_detai= ls=3D&version_details_type=3Dsubstring&cmdtype=3Ddoit&namedcmd=3Dgnome-db+b= ugs&newqueryname=3D&order=3D%27Importance%27&form_name=3Dquery It's the website product, gtp component. Cheers. >=20 > Christian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-hiF5VLwKFS4IsFjbyboX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yygzEuPMamD5V9cRAotIAJwN93QDsqKkkc47tKEBkn5b1V8XqACggcWh K8OM4gcIH8vqkAgZqX7+RYk= =8Eqc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hiF5VLwKFS4IsFjbyboX-- From maddog@maddog.lan Sat Apr 27 18:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [203.168.221.108]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49192186F4 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 501) id 42BE9131B7E; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 06:38:28 +0800 (HKT) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 06:38:28 +0800 From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: gnome-i18n-status Bugzilla category? Message-ID: <20020427223827.GA17835@deaddog.org> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME i18n list References: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019945262.442.6.camel@frodo> <1019945889.26256.306.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1019945889.26256.306.camel@daim.menthos.com> Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2002-04-28(Sun) 00:18:08 +0200, Christian Rose wrote: > Carlos, couldn't we use Bugzilla for bugs and requests about the status > pages, and set up a component for it? I can imagine that from the sheer > number of mails and comments on irc and all possible discussions that > it's very difficult to remember all the comments and suggestions that > people have for the status pages/status scripts. >=20 > So how about a "gnome-i18n-status" product in Bugzilla, or possibly a > "gnome-i18n" product with a "status" component (whichever is considered > best) that lets people log bugs against the status pages/scripts? >=20 > Christian Yes, Carlos, I'm all for it too. But for the bugzilla thing, I'd suggest opening 'i18n' product, and make 'status' a component (the latter suggestion of Christian). Certainly, other than status pages, we still have more i18n problems/suggestions, but nowhere can they be reported. Abel --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8yyhjQVLh8cZxhv8RAgqfAJ91mpe74IU0cSNx+lDRpC28DgM5rQCePj3n Oi3n2fLZMP31CxTbhS3c6l4= =mWFP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk-- From dsevilla@extreme.indiana.edu Sat Apr 27 18:38:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu (unknown [129.79.246.252]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C426186F4; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dsevilla@localhost) by linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/IUCS_2.44) id g3RMcZU04075; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:38:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:38:35 -0500 From: Diego Sevilla Ruiz To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 Message-ID: <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo>; from carlos@gnome-db.org on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 12:33:28AM +0200 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Carlos: Option 2 seems to be worse, because many packages can forgot to make the change... Also, what editors are there that support UTF-8? Can I play with emacs? Best regards. diego On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 12:33:28AM +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: | An introduction for gnome-hackers readers... | | | We have a problem with l10n strings for GNOME 2.0. For all systems with | glibc < 2.2 the autorecode feature of glibc is not available so all .po | files should be encoded as UTF-8. We need mantainers opinion about this | problem because it's a critical bug that needs a fix before GNOME 2.0 | release. | | We have several options: | | 1.- Store all .po files for GNOME 2.0 at cvs.gnome.org as UTF-8 | 2.- Recode all .po files as UTF-8 at distribution time. | | The "problems" are: | | The option number 1 can cause some problems to translator people because | the lack of UTF-8 editors to update the UTF-8 files. | | The option number 2 forces to use gettext >= 0.11 to all mantainers when | they do a make dist and we should add a rule to execute the recode. | | Here you have the thread link to get more information about this issue: | | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2002-April/msg00075.html | | | Cheers. | | -- | Carlos Perelló Marín | mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org | mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es | http://www.gnome-db.org | http://www.Hispalinux.es | Valencia - Spain -- Diego Sevilla Ruiz http://ditec.um.es/~dsevilla dsevilla@um.es \ /\ Dpto. Ingeniería y Tecnología de Computadores http://ditec.um.es ) ( ') Visiting Extreme! Computing Lab http://extreme.indiana.edu ( / ) Indiana University, Bloomington http://www.iub.edu \(__)| From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 18:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B71186EB for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RMwCK26485; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: gnome-i18n-status Bugzilla category? From: Christian Rose To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019947060.440.33.camel@frodo> References: <200204271705.24509.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019922667.23263.142.camel@daim.menthos.com> <200204272254.01776.bayazidi@arabeyes.org> <1019945262.442.6.camel@frodo> <1019945889.26256.306.camel@daim.menthos.com> <1019947060.440.33.camel@frodo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 28 Apr 2002 00:58:12 +0200 Message-Id: <1019948292.23247.346.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 00.37 skrev Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn: > > Carlos, couldn't we use Bugzilla for bugs and requests about the status > > pages, and set up a component for it? I can imagine that from the sheer > > number of mails and comments on irc and all possible discussions that > > it's very difficult to remember all the comments and suggestions that > > people have for the status pages/status scripts. > >=20 > > So how about a "gnome-i18n-status" product in Bugzilla, or possibly a > > "gnome-i18n" product with a "status" component (whichever is considered > > best) that lets people log bugs against the status pages/scripts? >=20 > We have it already. I have send it here several times (I think...) >=20 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=3Dwebsite&component=3Dgtp&e= mail1=3D&emailtype1=3Dsubstring&emailassigned_to1=3D1&email2=3D&emailtype2= =3Dsubstring&emailreporter2=3D1&changedin=3D&chfieldfrom=3D&chfieldto=3DNow= &chfieldvalue=3D&short_desc=3D&short_desc_type=3Dsubstring&long_desc=3D&lon= g_desc_type=3Dsubstring&bug_file_loc=3D&bug_file_loc_type=3Dsubstring&statu= s_whiteboard=3D&status_whiteboard_type=3Dsubstring&keywords=3D&keywords_typ= e=3Danywords&op_sys_details=3D&op_sys_details_type=3Dsubstring&version_deta= ils=3D&version_details_type=3Dsubstring&cmdtype=3Ddoit&namedcmd=3Dgnome-db+= bugs&newqueryname=3D&order=3D%27Importance%27&form_name=3Dquery >=20 > It's the website product, gtp component. Oh, I must have missed that. But how about instead having a seperate "i18n" product with a "status" component, as deaddog suggested? I think that will make it easier to find, and also make it more independant from the gtp pages, which I think is beneficial since the translation status is pretty much created and used independantly from the rest of the pages, I think. Christian From maddog@deaddog.org Sat Apr 27 19:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D4A18586 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 171bKC-0001Qj-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:09:52 +0800 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:09:23 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: "gnome-i18n@gnome.org" Cc: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019942981.23263.281.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 27 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable > status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lot > of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we > need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really > appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. Agreed. As I have said, this is just an internim solution, and we really need Carlos to decide. So I'll stop adding non-core apps into translation-status.xml, and open a new xml file to jot down all extra apps. If it's time to be useful in the future, the new xml file can always be merged into translation-status.xml or used seperately. Objection to this? -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From hp@redhat.com Sat Apr 27 19:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A06D18367; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3RND8K28969; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:13:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 27 Apr 2002 19:13:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes:=20 > The option number 2 forces to use gettext >=3D 0.11 to all mantainers when > they do a make dist and we should add a rule to execute the recode. > Would this mean that when compiling from CVS, translations would be broken? =20 Havoc From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 19:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45872186CA for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RNHwK27719; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:17:58 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: "R.I.P. Deaddog" Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:17:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1019949478.23263.351.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 01.09 skrev R.I.P. Deaddog: > > (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable > > status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lot > > of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we > > need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really > > appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. >=20 > Agreed. As I have said, this is just an internim solution, and we > really need Carlos to decide. So I'll stop adding non-core apps > into translation-status.xml, and open a new xml file to jot down > all extra apps. If it's time to be useful in the future, the new > xml file can always be merged into translation-status.xml or used > seperately. Sounds like a good plan. I added this problem with non-core modules in the unstable status report as http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D80084 in bugzilla. I don't know your bugzilla login so I wasn't able to add you to the cc: line at the same time. The enhancement request for "index.html" is at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D80081. Christian From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 19:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603FF186CA for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E6978383; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:23:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: "R.I.P. Deaddog" Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-y7Cw5Dtsd3CSNOukAvV4" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:23:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1019949800.440.48.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-y7Cw5Dtsd3CSNOukAvV4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 01:09, R.I.P. Deaddog escribi=F3: > On 27 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: >=20 > > (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable > > status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lot > > of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we > > need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really > > appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. >=20 > Agreed. As I have said, this is just an internim solution, and we > really need Carlos to decide. So I'll stop adding non-core apps > into translation-status.xml, and open a new xml file to jot down > all extra apps. If it's time to be useful in the future, the new > xml file can always be merged into translation-status.xml or used > seperately. >=20 Sorry, I cannot wait to answer :-) First of all. WE are who decide how the status pages are, we are a team ;-), I'm the actual mantainer for status pages but I love your suggestions && features request. I prefer all modules in one page. It's more easy to look the translations status but you are right, we should have a feature that lets us see what things are at gnome core and which others are "optional". Work in progress. This night will be a nonstop one and I hope also a really productive one ;-). Please, don't stop to send me your ideas I will be here long time :-) (also at irc.gnome.org, but please, if I'm not at the i18n channel,=20 only if it's really urgent). > Objection to this? > --=20 > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-y7Cw5Dtsd3CSNOukAvV4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yzLnEuPMamD5V9cRAl3IAJ9XpgQgpY57gAzj6go+ttErc64qeQCfT/+f YdoSXNShf12xvVgrA1bDr9U= =mxPQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-y7Cw5Dtsd3CSNOukAvV4-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 19:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1165E1874A; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8E97840E; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:30:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Havoc Pennington Cc: gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vShEm2JBpxfxGgMvZk/Z" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:30:13 +0200 Message-Id: <1019950214.442.56.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-vShEm2JBpxfxGgMvZk/Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 01:13, Havoc Pennington escribi=F3: >=20 > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes:=20 > > The option number 2 forces to use gettext >=3D 0.11 to all mantainers w= hen > > they do a make dist and we should add a rule to execute the recode. > > >=20 > Would this mean that when compiling from CVS, translations would be broke= n? Good point. With the option that we were thinking on, yes. Translatios would be broken if you don't do the make dist first, so we need to update the solution or find another option. Also, I think that after a make dist a mantainer does a cvs ci, so all .po files will be committed as UTF-8... So we have two problems here :-(. I think that the best solution should be put all as UTF-8, but please tell me if you have a better fix. Cheers. > =20 > Havoc --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-vShEm2JBpxfxGgMvZk/Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yzSFEuPMamD5V9cRAjrIAJ9sCPfCWwgD5vmzfAsaxQWCUNoiZwCeOg9X IlPv/D1FvbPwQ6RTc0nMT6k= =8pFZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vShEm2JBpxfxGgMvZk/Z-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 19:32:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5261874C; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0036C780E1; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:32:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: gnome-hackers Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-WxVSTRyTnuz9lt4TQ3Dn" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:32:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1019950360.525.60.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-WxVSTRyTnuz9lt4TQ3Dn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 00:38, Diego Sevilla Ruiz escribi=F3: > Hi, Carlos: >=20 Hi > Option 2 seems to be worse, because many packages can forgot to make the > change... >=20 > Also, what editors are there that support UTF-8? Can I play with emacs? Gedit2 gtranslator (but someone told me that it does not work as well as it should). kbabel emacs (if you read the gnome-i18n thread you can see that seems like it has some troubles). ... Cheers. >=20 > Best regards. > diego >=20 > On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 12:33:28AM +0200, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: >=20 > | An introduction for gnome-hackers readers... > |=20 > |=20 > | We have a problem with l10n strings for GNOME 2.0. For all systems with > | glibc < 2.2 the autorecode feature of glibc is not available so all .po > | files should be encoded as UTF-8. We need mantainers opinion about this > | problem because it's a critical bug that needs a fix before GNOME 2.0 > | release. > |=20 > | We have several options: > |=20 > | 1.- Store all .po files for GNOME 2.0 at cvs.gnome.org as UTF-8 > | 2.- Recode all .po files as UTF-8 at distribution time. > |=20 > | The "problems" are: > |=20 > | The option number 1 can cause some problems to translator people becaus= e > | the lack of UTF-8 editors to update the UTF-8 files. > |=20 > | The option number 2 forces to use gettext >=3D 0.11 to all mantainers w= hen > | they do a make dist and we should add a rule to execute the recode. > |=20 > | Here you have the thread link to get more information about this issue: > |=20 > | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2002-April/msg00075.html > |=20 > |=20 > | Cheers. > |=20 > | --=20 > | Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn > | mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org > | mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es > | http://www.gnome-db.org > | http://www.Hispalinux.es > | Valencia - Spain >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Diego Sevilla Ruiz http://ditec.um.es/~dsevilla dsevilla@um.es \ /\ > Dpto. Ingenier=EDa y Tecnolog=EDa de Computadores http://ditec.um.es ) = ( ') > Visiting Extreme! Computing Lab http://extreme.indiana.edu ( / ) > Indiana University, Bloomington http://www.iub.edu \(__)| > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-WxVSTRyTnuz9lt4TQ3Dn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yzUXEuPMamD5V9cRAlG2AJ4yq/mRzp48+4lK+SzIs5IgN8feewCeMb6I 2T1JmZNBSvM9lTCVLWhRKMg= =2Vwl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-WxVSTRyTnuz9lt4TQ3Dn-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 19:38:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8C31874C for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F72789C7; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: "R.I.P. Deaddog" , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019949800.440.48.camel@frodo> References: <1019949800.440.48.camel@frodo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-pfEqU9Rc6ch+ZXQuMTrt" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:38:09 +0200 Message-Id: <1019950689.442.65.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-pfEqU9Rc6ch+ZXQuMTrt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 01:23, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn escribi=F3: > El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 01:09, R.I.P. Deaddog escribi=F3: > > On 27 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > >=20 > > > (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable > > > status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lo= t > > > of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we > > > need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really > > > appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. > >=20 > > Agreed. As I have said, this is just an internim solution, and we > > really need Carlos to decide. So I'll stop adding non-core apps > > into translation-status.xml, and open a new xml file to jot down > > all extra apps. If it's time to be useful in the future, the new > > xml file can always be merged into translation-status.xml or used > > seperately. > >=20 >=20 > Sorry, I cannot wait to answer :-) I forgot to tell here the most important thing ;-) When I wrote the translation-status.dtd file I was thinking in a file where we store ALL modules for ALL releases and use some tags to split it between release, if you look at the translation-status.xml you can see that every module has a release tag called gnome-2.0, well if you put gnome-2.0-core and gnome-2.0-extra it should work (in a near future) generating two pages, one for gnome-2.0-core and another one for gnome-2.0-extra. The problem is that the actual implementation needs some cleanup to be able to use this feature. It's also a work in progress task. Cheers. >=20 > First of all. WE are who decide how the status pages are, we are a team > ;-), I'm the actual mantainer for status pages but I love your > suggestions && features request. >=20 > I prefer all modules in one page. It's more easy to look the > translations status but you are right, we should have a feature that > lets us see what things are at gnome core and which others are > "optional". >=20 > Work in progress. This night will be a nonstop one and I hope also a > really productive one ;-). >=20 > Please, don't stop to send me your ideas I will be here long time :-) > (also at irc.gnome.org, but please, if I'm not at the i18n channel,=20 > only if it's really urgent). >=20 > > Objection to this? > > --=20 > > Abel Cheung > > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc > --=20 > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn > mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org > mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es > http://www.gnome-db.org > http://www.Hispalinux.es > Valencia - Spain --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-pfEqU9Rc6ch+ZXQuMTrt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8yzZgEuPMamD5V9cRAqFbAJ9U8DlDCVWoLOzIcCXqJMKBzfz2RgCbBAVL x27QBaLuD/fT6pJ/abnNTdg= =Mz32 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-pfEqU9Rc6ch+ZXQuMTrt-- From sven@gimp.org Sat Apr 27 19:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from bender.convergence.de (pD9E7DA4C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.231.218.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435C71874C for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neo by bender.convergence.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 171bmb-0000I3-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:39:13 +0200 To: Christian Rose Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: difficulties with Gimp Translation References: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> <1019935518.23247.201.camel@daim.menthos.com> From: Sven Neumann Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:39:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1019935518.23247.201.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Christian Rose writes: > I think the cleanest solution would be to actually split gimp into > several modules in cvs, each one with its own message catalog. I wonder how you would like if we put each plug-in into a separate module? Or at least split them up into many? This is something that is being discussed and it'd really to hear the translators point of view on this subject. Salut, Sven From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 19:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A923D180E3 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RNi7K29029; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:44:08 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019949800.440.48.camel@frodo> References: <1019949800.440.48.camel@frodo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:44:07 +0200 Message-Id: <1019951048.26256.359.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 01.23 skrev Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn: [...] > I prefer all modules in one page. It's more easy to look the > translations status but you are right, we should have a feature that > lets us see what things are at gnome core and which others are > "optional". I think this is a crucial feature. It seems many translators (including me) want to know what should be translated for the official Gnome 2.0 relase so we know what should be prioritized etc. This is currently impossible with the current unstable status report. That said, instead of a seperate report as per my suggestion, this could perhaps be solved by grouping the core modules alphabetically in the unstable page in a top table, and after that having the extra ones in a seperate table below that, so that there are two tables in each page, and still only one unstable page. After all, less report pages means less pages to refresh each day. :-) Christian From menthos@menthos.com Sat Apr 27 19:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861C6185A8 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3RNxXK29753; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:59:33 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: difficulties with Gimp Translation From: Christian Rose To: Sven Neumann Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> <1019935518.23247.201.camel@daim.menthos.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:59:32 +0200 Message-Id: <1019951973.26256.375.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 01.39 skrev Sven Neumann: > > I think the cleanest solution would be to actually split gimp into > > several modules in cvs, each one with its own message catalog. >=20 > I wonder how you would like if we put each plug-in into a separate > module? Or at least split them up into many? This is something that is > being discussed and it'd really to hear the translators point of view > on this subject. Aren't there *a lot* of plugins? I'm afraid that would become a lot of modules if they should each have their own module... What I had in mind was more of a split-up in modules according to what translation catalogs are there today: cvs module po directory ---------------------------- gimp po gimp-libgimp po gimp-perl po gimp-plugins po gimp-script-fu po That would make the process rather straight-forward for translators, because it is similar to how things are organized elsewhere in cvs. I can also imagine that it could become easier also for maintainers from a software maintenance point of view since the different modules can be maintained, branched and released independantly if needed, but that's just a guess from my point of view (perhaps this is already possible or not needed). Cheers, Christian From maddog@deaddog.org Sat Apr 27 20:06:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A5318730 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 171cD5-0001Zg-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:06:35 +0800 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:06:34 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Christian Rose Cc: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , GNOME i18n list Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019951048.26256.359.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 28 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 01.23 skrev Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn: > [...] > > I prefer all modules in one page. It's more easy to look the > > translations status but you are right, we should have a feature that > > lets us see what things are at gnome core and which others are > > "optional". >=20 > I think this is a crucial feature. It seems many translators (including > me) want to know what should be translated for the official Gnome 2.0 > relase so we know what should be prioritized etc. This is currently > impossible with the current unstable status report. Agreed. > That said, instead of a seperate report as per my suggestion, this could > perhaps be solved by grouping the core modules alphabetically in the > unstable page in a top table, and after that having the extra ones in a > seperate table below that, so that there are two tables in each page, > and still only one unstable page. After all, less report pages means > less pages to refresh each day. :-) >=20 > Christian And there are other viable reasons to split pages. One is usability: a gigantic page is really unconvenient to search for the place you want. Another reason is the mere HTML size -- it's already something like 270K in size. Adding extra thing can double it. I'm afraid more buggy browsers may bomb on this :) --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From jody@gnome.org Sat Apr 27 20:06:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from parallel.thegoldbergs.ca (CPE0000e8e169cd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.66.211]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B3918730; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athlon ([146.92.33.4] helo=athlon.thegoldbergs.ca ident=mail) by parallel.thegoldbergs.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 171cCi-0004tG-00; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:06:12 -0400 Received: from jody by athlon.thegoldbergs.ca with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 171cCi-0000q2-00; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:06:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:06:12 -0400 To: Carlos Perell? Mar?n Cc: gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 Message-ID: <20020428000612.GA3217@athlon.thegoldbergs.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Carlos Perell? Mar?n , gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <1019950214.442.56.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1019950214.442.56.camel@frodo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: Jody Goldberg Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 01:30:13AM +0200, Carlos Perell? Mar?n wrote: > El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 01:13, Havoc Pennington escribi?: > > > > Would this mean that when compiling from CVS, translations would be broken? > > Good point. With the option that we were thinking on, yes. Translatios > would be broken if you don't do the make dist first, so we need to > update the solution or find another option. That would seem to make the choice fairly clear. po files should be in utf8. Given the choice between requiring developers to have ultra-modern libc, and translators using a restricted subset of tools the later seems less restrictive. The former means that some platforms will not be able to run dists (do all the *bsds support this ?) Does this mean bind_textdomain_codeset (GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "UTF-8"); would no longer be required ? From otaylor@redhat.com Sat Apr 27 20:20:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from fresnel.labs.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0987D180E3; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fresnel.labs.redhat.com (Postfix, from userid 2181) id B62672421E8; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:20:07 -0400 (EDT) To: Jody Goldberg Cc: Carlos Perell? Mar?n , gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <1019950214.442.56.camel@frodo> <20020428000612.GA3217@athlon.thegoldbergs.ca> From: Owen Taylor In-Reply-To: Jody Goldberg's message of "Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:06:12 -0400" User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 30 Message-Id: <20020428002007.B62672421E8@fresnel.labs.redhat.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jody Goldberg writes: > On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 01:30:13AM +0200, Carlos Perell? Mar?n wrote: > > El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 01:13, Havoc Pennington escribi?: > > > > > > Would this mean that when compiling from CVS, translations would be broken? > > > > Good point. With the option that we were thinking on, yes. Translatios > > would be broken if you don't do the make dist first, so we need to > > update the solution or find another option. > > That would seem to make the choice fairly clear. > po files should be in utf8. > > Given the choice between requiring developers to have ultra-modern > libc, and translators using a restricted subset of tools the later > seems less restrictive. The former means that some platforms will > not be able to run dists (do all the *bsds support this ?) > > Does this mean > bind_textdomain_codeset (GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "UTF-8"); > would no longer be required ? It's still required because otherwise recent gettext() and GNU libc will translate the translations back from UTF-8 to the encoding of the locale. Regards, Owen From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 20:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3988180E3; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FAC789C7; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:20:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: gnome-hackers Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <20020428000612.GA3217@athlon.thegoldbergs.ca> References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <1019950214.442.56.camel@frodo> <20020428000612.GA3217@athlon.thegoldbergs.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-bK2fFtY5X5xiU8Gt9h9D" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 02:20:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1019953247.438.71.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-bK2fFtY5X5xiU8Gt9h9D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 02:06, Jody Goldberg escribi=F3: > On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 01:30:13AM +0200, Carlos Perell? Mar?n wrote: > > El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 01:13, Havoc Pennington escribi?: > > >=20 > > > Would this mean that when compiling from CVS, translations would be b= roken? > >=20 > > Good point. With the option that we were thinking on, yes. Translatios > > would be broken if you don't do the make dist first, so we need to > > update the solution or find another option. >=20 > That would seem to make the choice fairly clear. > po files should be in utf8. >=20 > Given the choice between requiring developers to have ultra-modern > libc, and translators using a restricted subset of tools the later > seems less restrictive. The former means that some platforms will > not be able to run dists (do all the *bsds support this ?) >=20 > Does this mean > bind_textdomain_codeset (GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "UTF-8"); > would no longer be required ? No, We will need this line because if you have a glibc >=3D 2.2 it will recode the .po to your default locale, for example in spain we use iso-8859-15 and it's not UTF-8. We will not need this line if all GNOME users change his/her locale to LOCALE.UTF-8 or something like that but it's really difficult to change it for all GNOME 2.0 users IMHO cheers. --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-bK2fFtY5X5xiU8Gt9h9D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8y0BfEuPMamD5V9cRAkeCAJwIvAaHWlOmiJ4HASiKnS2vABNGwwCfVz7o +uQCy4hOBfmdMD+v7XnrDR4= =eNx+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-bK2fFtY5X5xiU8Gt9h9D-- From maddog@deaddog.org Sat Apr 27 20:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3461B18F7E; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 171cRH-0001ar-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:21:15 +0800 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:21:14 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Jody Goldberg Cc: Carlos Perell? Mar?n , gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 In-Reply-To: <20020428000612.GA3217@athlon.thegoldbergs.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Jody Goldberg wrote: > On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 01:30:13AM +0200, Carlos Perell? Mar?n wrote: > > That would seem to make the choice fairly clear. > po files should be in utf8. > > Given the choice between requiring developers to have ultra-modern > libc, and translators using a restricted subset of tools the later > seems less restrictive. The former means that some platforms will > not be able to run dists (do all the *bsds support this ?) > > Does this mean > bind_textdomain_codeset (GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "UTF-8"); > would no longer be required ? bind_textdomain_codeset is still vital. Gnect from gnome-games 1.90.2 tarball lacks this call, and localized strings are not displayed as a result, even when the po file is UTF-8 encoded. -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From carlos@gnome-db.org Sat Apr 27 20:22:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264AA18FD0 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B42A789C7; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: "R.I.P. Deaddog" Cc: Christian Rose , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-3QAvFYoME5V96aTp+b+R" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 02:22:50 +0200 Message-Id: <1019953370.525.74.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-3QAvFYoME5V96aTp+b+R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 02:06, R.I.P. Deaddog escribi=F3: > On 28 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: >=20 > > s=F6n 2002-04-28 klockan 01.23 skrev Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn: > > [...] > > > I prefer all modules in one page. It's more easy to look the > > > translations status but you are right, we should have a feature that > > > lets us see what things are at gnome core and which others are > > > "optional". > >=20 > > I think this is a crucial feature. It seems many translators (including > > me) want to know what should be translated for the official Gnome 2.0 > > relase so we know what should be prioritized etc. This is currently > > impossible with the current unstable status report. >=20 > Agreed. >=20 >=20 > > That said, instead of a seperate report as per my suggestion, this coul= d > > perhaps be solved by grouping the core modules alphabetically in the > > unstable page in a top table, and after that having the extra ones in a > > seperate table below that, so that there are two tables in each page, > > and still only one unstable page. After all, less report pages means > > less pages to refresh each day. :-) > >=20 > > Christian >=20 > And there are other viable reasons to split pages. > One is usability: a gigantic page is really unconvenient to search for > the place you want. Another reason is the mere HTML size -- it's already > something like 270K in size. Adding extra thing can double it. > I'm afraid more buggy browsers may bomb on this :) >=20 >=20 Hey, My old 270K html page in only one line didn't broke any browser ;-) Almost I didn't get any bug report about it :-) > --=20 > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-3QAvFYoME5V96aTp+b+R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8y0DaEuPMamD5V9cRAlkHAKCK0kVCfX+Cq4r3f6F2oOBvJ9ODkACghJdg JDr+kah9zl7Q+N14tXhs+nY= =78Qa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-3QAvFYoME5V96aTp+b+R-- From maddog@deaddog.org Sat Apr 27 20:26:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8C318FD0 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 171cWf-0001bZ-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:26:49 +0800 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:26:48 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: Christian Rose , GNOME i18n list Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019953370.525.74.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 28 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > Hey, My old 270K html page in only one line didn't broke any browser ;-) >=20 > Almost I didn't get any bug report about it :-) Perhaps people don't care about the source :) When I try to view source, galeon loads with 100% CPU for 15 minutes continuously without displaying anything... Not to mention that kwrite bombs instantly :) --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From maddog@deaddog.org Sat Apr 27 20:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551FC18685 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 171crz-0001cr-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:48:51 +0800 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:48:50 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019950689.442.65.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 28 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > When I wrote the translation-status.dtd file I was thinking in a file > where we store ALL modules for ALL releases and use some tags to split > it between release, if you look at the translation-status.xml you can > see that every module has a release tag called gnome-2.0, well if you > put gnome-2.0-core and gnome-2.0-extra it should work (in a near future) > generating two pages, one for gnome-2.0-core and another one for > gnome-2.0-extra. >=20 > The problem is that the actual implementation needs some cleanup to be > able to use this feature. It's also a work in progress task. Yeah, that's why I suggested to put it into seperate file *temporarily*, as translation-status.xml is a crucial file and I don't want myself to break it for now... of course it can be put back into translation-status.xml when things are ready :) --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From ke@gnu.franken.de Sun Apr 28 00:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B6F182A0; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 171g4c-0007gJ-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 06:14:06 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 1CF1DA43F2; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 05:22:42 +0200 (CEST) To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> <1019950360.525.60.camel@frodo> In-Reply-To: <1019950360.525.60.camel@frodo> (Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn's?= message of "28 Apr 2002 01:32:39 +0200") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 05:22:41 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > emacs (if you read the gnome-i18n thread you can see that seems like it > has some troubles). > ... Using Emacs from CVS head (plus the settings I posted) does it for quite some languages, though. Emacs 21.2 features limited UTF-8 support. BTW, I don't see a problem to ship .gmo files UTF-8 encoded while the .po files can stay unchanged. Converting .gmo files can either happen at 'make dist' or at 'make install' time. --=20 ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From sven@gimp.org Sun Apr 28 07:13:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from bender.convergence.de (pD9E7FC28.dip.t-dialin.net [217.231.252.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72406187E1 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neo by bender.convergence.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 171mcG-0006Rl-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:13:16 +0200 To: Christian Rose Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: difficulties with Gimp Translation References: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> <1019935518.23247.201.camel@daim.menthos.com> <1019951973.26256.375.camel@daim.menthos.com> From: Sven Neumann Date: 28 Apr 2002 13:13:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1019951973.26256.375.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Christian Rose writes: > Aren't there *a lot* of plugins? I'm afraid that would become a lot of > modules if they should each have their own module... yes, there are quite a few. > What I had in mind was more of a split-up in modules according to what > translation catalogs are there today: > > cvs module po directory > ---------------------------- > gimp po > gimp-libgimp po > gimp-perl po > gimp-plugins po > gimp-script-fu po > > That would make the process rather straight-forward for translators, > because it is similar to how things are organized elsewhere in cvs. > > I can also imagine that it could become easier also for maintainers from > a software maintenance point of view since the different modules can be > maintained, branched and released independantly if needed, but that's > just a guess from my point of view (perhaps this is already possible or > not needed). actually, from a maintainability point of view, we consider it most important to move most of the plug-ins out of the main tree. This is being discussed for a long time but I don't yet see it happen in a the near future. Salut, Sven From rodrigo@gnome-db.org Sun Apr 28 07:56:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from zubiri.gnome-db.org (80-25-232-182.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.25.232.182]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7C7187BE; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rodrigo by zubiri.gnome-db.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 171nHp-0000Mw-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:56:13 +0200 Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 From: Rodrigo Moya To: Karl Eichwalder Cc: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , GNOME Hackers , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> <1019950360.525.60.camel@frodo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.4.99 Date: 28 Apr 2002 13:56:13 +0200 Message-Id: <1019994973.729.23.camel@zubiri> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-04-28 at 05:22, Karl Eichwalder wrote: > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: >=20 > > emacs (if you read the gnome-i18n thread you can see that seems like it > > has some troubles). > > ... >=20 > Using Emacs from CVS head (plus the settings I posted) does it for quite > some languages, though. Emacs 21.2 features limited UTF-8 support. >=20 > BTW, I don't see a problem to ship .gmo files UTF-8 encoded while the > .po files can stay unchanged. Converting .gmo files can either happen > at 'make dist' or at 'make install' time. >=20 yes, indeed, the rule for creating .gmo files from the .po can be modified to run the conversion to UTF8 at the time the .gmo files are generated. Thus, translations won't be broken when installing sources from CVS. cheers From carlos@gnome-db.org Sun Apr 28 08:23:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BD3180E3; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AA97840E; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:23:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Rodrigo Moya Piernavieja Cc: Karl Eichwalder , GNOME Hackers , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019994973.729.23.camel@zubiri> References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> <1019950360.525.60.camel@frodo> <1019994973.729.23.camel@zubiri> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-UU/wvoO16dwFrwoZi4Dq" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 14:23:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1019996623.451.12.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-UU/wvoO16dwFrwoZi4Dq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 13:56, Rodrigo Moya escribi=F3: > On Sun, 2002-04-28 at 05:22, Karl Eichwalder wrote: > > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > >=20 > > > emacs (if you read the gnome-i18n thread you can see that seems like = it > > > has some troubles). > > > ... > >=20 > > Using Emacs from CVS head (plus the settings I posted) does it for quit= e > > some languages, though. Emacs 21.2 features limited UTF-8 support. > >=20 > > BTW, I don't see a problem to ship .gmo files UTF-8 encoded while the > > .po files can stay unchanged. Converting .gmo files can either happen > > at 'make dist' or at 'make install' time. > >=20 > yes, indeed, the rule for creating .gmo files from the .po can be > modified to run the conversion to UTF8 at the time the .gmo files are > generated. Thus, translations won't be broken when installing sources > from CVS. The problem here are: 1.- A mantainer does always a cvs ci after a make dist so all .po files are as UTF8 and then he will commit all files as UTF8 if she does not take care of it. 2.- All people that wants to compile the module from CVS should had gettext >=3D 0.11 to be able to compile it correctly. IMHO is much more easy to recode a file at translation time than at build time (but it's only my opinion). Cheers. P.S.: I will send an email to gnome2-release-team@gnome.org asking for a final solution so please, send here all your arguments to let them choose the best solution. >=20 > cheers > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-UU/wvoO16dwFrwoZi4Dq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8y+nOEuPMamD5V9cRAhgaAKCByFbj83VBR3EGaYWXE1KEbm2A1wCfTujW LKOh1YzcGRDhjkRpvqRWsGE= =ezRK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-UU/wvoO16dwFrwoZi4Dq-- From ke@gnu.franken.de Sun Apr 28 09:56:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B23918850; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 171pAR-0000ii-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:56:43 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 6F95CA43F2; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:44:34 +0200 (CEST) To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: Rodrigo Moya Piernavieja , GNOME Hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> <1019950360.525.60.camel@frodo> <1019994973.729.23.camel@zubiri> <1019996623.451.12.camel@frodo> In-Reply-To: <1019996623.451.12.camel@frodo> (Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn's?= message of "28 Apr 2002 14:23:43 +0200") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:44:34 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > 1.- A mantainer does always a cvs ci after a make dist so all .po files > are as UTF8 and then he will commit all files as UTF8 if she does not > take care of it. No. Conversion will happen in a pipe: msgconv -o - --to UTF-8 LL.po | msgfmt -o LL.gmo - > 2.- All people that wants to compile the module from CVS should had > gettext >=3D 0.11 to be able to compile it correctly. I don't thinks the lack of gettext 0.11.x will necessarily cause a fatal error. I 'msgconv' is missing just fall back to 'cat'. This should work quite good for most of those who don't have a reasonable glibc or gettext version installed (I bet those are mainly interested in english messages only). --=20 ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From carlos@gnome-db.org Sun Apr 28 10:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DAF18850; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E874F785E6; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:07:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Karl Eichwalder Cc: Rodrigo Moya Piernavieja , GNOME Hackers , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> <1019950360.525.60.camel@frodo> <1019994973.729.23.camel@zubiri> <1019996623.451.12.camel@frodo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-fvu4To6HIXv8vsA72p0E" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 16:07:07 +0200 Message-Id: <1020002828.451.18.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-fvu4To6HIXv8vsA72p0E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kmaraas has just told me that we can depend on gettext 0.11 without problems so the main question now is... kenneth is there an easy hack at intltool package to execute something like: "msgconv -o - --to UTF-8 LL.po | msgfmt -o LL.gmo -" instead of the actual procedure to get the .gmo files? If it works without problems then I will change my mind about this issue and I will agree about this solution. P.S.: We should change also the .po's header from the local encoding to UTF8. Cheers. El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 14:44, Karl Eichwalder escribi=F3: > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: >=20 > > 1.- A mantainer does always a cvs ci after a make dist so all .po files > > are as UTF8 and then he will commit all files as UTF8 if she does not > > take care of it. >=20 > No. Conversion will happen in a pipe: >=20 > msgconv -o - --to UTF-8 LL.po | msgfmt -o LL.gmo - >=20 > > 2.- All people that wants to compile the module from CVS should had > > gettext >=3D 0.11 to be able to compile it correctly. >=20 > I don't thinks the lack of gettext 0.11.x will necessarily cause a > fatal error. I 'msgconv' is missing just fall back to 'cat'. This > should work quite good for most of those who don't have a reasonable > glibc or gettext version installed (I bet those are mainly interested in > english messages only). >=20 > --=20 > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-fvu4To6HIXv8vsA72p0E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8zAILEuPMamD5V9cRApCgAJwJ2ZneioVixQ50zILVRSDUcKKcHgCdHA7n NJEbMse7JX/bWTdzooXYKpk= =RjJ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-fvu4To6HIXv8vsA72p0E-- From ke@gnu.franken.de Sun Apr 28 10:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF995181FA; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 171pTC-00013H-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:16:06 +0200 Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 14835A43F2; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:14:26 +0200 (CEST) To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: Rodrigo Moya Piernavieja , GNOME Hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> <1019950360.525.60.camel@frodo> <1019994973.729.23.camel@zubiri> <1019996623.451.12.camel@frodo> <1020002828.451.18.camel@frodo> In-Reply-To: <1020002828.451.18.camel@frodo> (Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn's?= message of "28 Apr 2002 16:07:07 +0200") From: Karl Eichwalder Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:14:25 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > kmaraas has just told me that we can depend on gettext 0.11 without > problems so the main question now is... Great! > P.S.: We should change also the .po's header from the local encoding to > UTF8. This is one of the reasons I'm voting for msgconv -- you'll get header adjustments for free: ke@tux:~/Projects> grep charset sh-utils-2.0.11.de.po "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1\n" ke@tux:~/Projects> /gnu/bin/msgconv -o - --to UTF-8 sh-utils-2.0.11.de.po \ | grep charset "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8\n" --=20 ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) From cactus@cactus.rulez.org Sun Apr 28 10:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from booster.telnet.hu (booster.telnet.hu [212.75.128.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2AC18569 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sendmail.telnet.hu ([212.75.128.13]) by booster.telnet.hu with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 171pab-0000Dh-00 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:23:45 +0200 Received: (qmail 8291 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 14:23:44 -0000 Received: from isdn022.bp1.telnet.hu (HELO mail.cactus) (212.75.129.22) by mail.telnet.hu with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 14:23:44 -0000 Received: from ds9.cactus (really [10.0.0.1]) by mail.cactus via smail with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.111) for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:23:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:23:43 +0200 (CEST) From: ERDI Gergo X-Sender: cactus@ds9.cactus To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: Karl Eichwalder , Rodrigo Moya Piernavieja , GNOME Hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 In-Reply-To: <1020002828.451.18.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 28 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > kenneth is there an easy hack at intltool package to execute something > like: "msgconv -o - --to UTF-8 LL.po | msgfmt -o LL.gmo -" instead of > the actual procedure to get the .gmo files? if this is for gnome2, those apps will use glib-gettextize's po/Makefile.in.in so we can definitely tweak stuff like .gmo creation rules. --=20 .--=3D ULLA! =3D---------------------. `We are not here to give users = what \ http://cactus.rulez.org \ they want' -- RMS, at GUADEC 2001 `---=3D cactus@cactus.rulez.org =3D---' "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about E= xchange Server next (/.) From otaylor@redhat.com Sun Apr 28 10:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from fresnel.labs.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC2518850; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fresnel.labs.redhat.com (Postfix, from userid 2181) id 76AEA2421E8; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:25:39 -0400 (EDT) To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> From: Owen Taylor In-Reply-To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn's?= message of "28 Apr 2002 00:33:28 +0200" User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 39 Message-Id: <20020428142539.76AEA2421E8@fresnel.labs.redhat.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > An introduction for gnome-hackers readers... >=20 >=20 > We have a problem with l10n strings for GNOME 2.0. For all systems with > glibc < 2.2 the autorecode feature of glibc is not available so all .po > files should be encoded as UTF-8. We need mantainers opinion about this > problem because it's a critical bug that needs a fix before GNOME 2.0 > release. >=20 > We have several options: >=20 > 1.- Store all .po files for GNOME 2.0 at cvs.gnome.org as UTF-8 > 2.- Recode all .po files as UTF-8 at distribution time. GTK+ will continue to use plan 1. here, as it does currently (and GLib will be switched over to do the same whenever I get a bit of time to do it.) Distributing files that are different than that what is in CVS is (in my opionion) a bad idea ... files in a distributed tarball should either one of: - Source files, identical to what the maintainer uses - Files generated from the source files.=20 Plus if tarballs are different from what people are installing from CVS, handling bugs and QA-ing what we release is going to getharder. Yes, it's a little more difficult for translators, but there are several decent solutions (use the conversion scripts, use a Unicode-capable editor, use a UTF-8 locale with a locale friendly editor.) Regards, Owen From carlos@gnome-db.org Sun Apr 28 10:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4621A188F1; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B5A785E7; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:48:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: gnome-hackers Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <20020428142539.76AEA2421E8@fresnel.labs.redhat.com> References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020428142539.76AEA2421E8@fresnel.labs.redhat.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-SaDKB/dldYBCyg9ywLkU" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 28 Apr 2002 16:48:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1020005323.448.27.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-SaDKB/dldYBCyg9ywLkU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 16:25, Owen Taylor escribi=F3: >=20 > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: >=20 > > An introduction for gnome-hackers readers... > >=20 > >=20 > > We have a problem with l10n strings for GNOME 2.0. For all systems with > > glibc < 2.2 the autorecode feature of glibc is not available so all .po > > files should be encoded as UTF-8. We need mantainers opinion about this > > problem because it's a critical bug that needs a fix before GNOME 2.0 > > release. > >=20 > > We have several options: > >=20 > > 1.- Store all .po files for GNOME 2.0 at cvs.gnome.org as UTF-8 > > 2.- Recode all .po files as UTF-8 at distribution time. >=20 > GTK+ will continue to use plan 1. here, as it does currently (and GLib > will be switched over to do the same whenever I get a bit of time to > do it.) >=20 > Distributing files that are different than that what is in CVS is > (in my opionion) a bad idea ... files in a distributed tarball > should either one of: It seems that we have an option that solves this issue. cvs contents and dist tar.gz will have the same .po files, the recode will be only when you generate the .gmo file and this file is not at cvs.gnome.org so the problem has gone. We only need that everyone that wants to install GNOME 2.0 from sources will need gettext >=3D 0.11 because as cactus has remember me, we can modify glib-gettextize to recode directly the .gmo files as UTF8. Bye >=20 > - Source files, identical to what the maintainer uses > - Files generated from the source files.=20 >=20 > Plus if tarballs are different from what people are installing > from CVS, handling bugs and QA-ing what we release is going to > getharder. >=20 > Yes, it's a little more difficult for translators, but there > are several decent solutions (use the conversion scripts, > use a Unicode-capable editor, use a UTF-8 locale with a locale > friendly editor.) >=20 > Regards, > Owen --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-SaDKB/dldYBCyg9ywLkU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8zAvLEuPMamD5V9cRAmzwAJ9MSOiEM+6so5FS/TRpGm/Tc9IHVgCfXypk sXRnivgFH7nzwmZV6Tcod6U= =E9+l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-SaDKB/dldYBCyg9ywLkU-- From otaylor@redhat.com Sun Apr 28 11:13:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from fresnel.labs.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0D6181FA; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fresnel.labs.redhat.com (Postfix, from userid 2181) id 452FF2421E8; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 References: <1019946808.442.30.camel@frodo> <20020428142539.76AEA2421E8@fresnel.labs.redhat.com> <1020005323.448.27.camel@frodo> From: Owen Taylor In-Reply-To: Carlos =?iso-8859-1?q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn's?= message of "28 Apr 2002 16:48:43 +0200" User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Lines: 64 Message-Id: <20020428151305.452FF2421E8@fresnel.labs.redhat.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 16:25, Owen Taylor escribi=F3: > >=20 > > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > >=20 > > > An introduction for gnome-hackers readers... > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > We have a problem with l10n strings for GNOME 2.0. For all systems wi= th > > > glibc < 2.2 the autorecode feature of glibc is not available so all .= po > > > files should be encoded as UTF-8. We need mantainers opinion about th= is > > > problem because it's a critical bug that needs a fix before GNOME 2.0 > > > release. > > >=20 > > > We have several options: > > >=20 > > > 1.- Store all .po files for GNOME 2.0 at cvs.gnome.org as UTF-8 > > > 2.- Recode all .po files as UTF-8 at distribution time. > >=20 > > GTK+ will continue to use plan 1. here, as it does currently (and GLib > > will be switched over to do the same whenever I get a bit of time to > > do it.) > >=20 > > Distributing files that are different than that what is in CVS is > > (in my opionion) a bad idea ... files in a distributed tarball > > should either one of: >=20 >=20 > It seems that we have an option that solves this issue. cvs contents and > dist tar.gz will have the same .po files, the recode will be only when > you generate the .gmo file and this file is not at cvs.gnome.org so the > problem has gone. >=20 > We only need that everyone that wants to install GNOME 2.0 from sources > will need gettext >=3D 0.11 because as cactus has remember me, we can > modify glib-gettextize to recode directly the .gmo files as UTF8. GTK+ still supports using non-GNU gettext, so I don't think=20 the .gmo files are a sufficient solution. Plus, depending on files not being regenerated for correct operation... I suppose we could remove all logic for generating non-UTF-8 pofiles and disable the generation rules for old gettext and require GNU gettext so that the distted .gmo files get used, but it all strikes as pretty error prone. Regards, Owen --=-=-=-- From Sander.Vesik@Sun.COM Sun Apr 28 11:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1903A18113; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09429; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blossom (blossom [129.156.238.67]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g3SFfoT08672; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:41:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:41:50 +0100 (BST) From: Sander Vesik X-Sender: sv117949@blossom To: Diego Sevilla Ruiz Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= , gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 In-Reply-To: <20020427173834.F3657@linbox2.extreme.indiana.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Diego Sevilla Ruiz wrote: > Hi, Carlos: >=20 > Option 2 seems to be worse, because many packages can forgot to make the > change... >=20 > Also, what editors are there that support UTF-8? Can I play with emacs? > gedit2 - comes naturaly as part of your gnome2 build 8-) =20 > =09Best regards. > =09diego >=20 > --=20 > Diego Sevilla Ruiz http://ditec.um.es/~dsevilla dsevilla@um.es \ /\ > Dpto. Ingenier=EDa y Tecnolog=EDa de Computadores http://ditec.um.es ) = ( ') > Visiting Extreme! Computing Lab http://extreme.indiana.edu ( / ) > Indiana University, Bloomington http://www.iub.edu \(__)| >=20 =09Sander =09I see a dark sail on the horizon =09Set under a dark cloud that hides the sun =09Bring me my Broadsword and clear understanding From Sander.Vesik@Sun.COM Sun Apr 28 11:58:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D563018748; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19050; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blossom (blossom [129.156.238.67]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g3SFw7T10301; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:58:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:58:07 +0100 (BST) From: Sander Vesik X-Sender: sv117949@blossom To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: gnome-hackers , GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: We need a solution about .po files && UTF-8 In-Reply-To: <1019953247.438.71.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 28 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: >=20 > No, We will need this line because if you have a glibc >=3D 2.2 it will > recode the .po to your default locale, for example in spain we use > iso-8859-15 and it's not UTF-8. >=20 > We will not need this line if all GNOME users change his/her locale to > LOCALE.UTF-8 or something like that but it's really difficult to change > it for all GNOME 2.0 users IMHO >=20 It is also further limited by the avilability of UTF-8 locales, and forcing everybody to mass migrate to UTF-8 to use gnome2 is neither nice nor probbaly all that successfull > cheers. >=20 > --=20 > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn > mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org > mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es > http://www.gnome-db.org > http://www.Hispalinux.es > Valencia - Spain >=20 =09Sander =09I see a dark sail on the horizon =09Set under a dark cloud that hides the sun =09Bring me my Broadsword and clear understanding From maddog@deaddog.org Sun Apr 28 16:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A415189D1 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 171vQC-0005hx-00; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:37:24 +0800 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:37:19 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: GNOME I18N List Cc: Marcel Telka , Subject: Re: Simple patch for status.c In-Reply-To: <20020425143625.D2484@tortuga.etc.sk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:09:21PM +0200, Marcel Telka wrote: > > > > Please consider applying attached patch to the status pages generator. > > > > This patch adds number of untranslated messages into separate locale > > status pages for modules w/o .po file (or w/ errors). This kind of > > information on status pages could be usefull for others too (I think). > > I see there is slightly invalid "Total" line in locale stats. Here is > second revision of my patch :-). > > > > Thanks. Yes, confirmed it's a bug caused by my patch. Carlos, perhaps it should be applied to your local copy of status.c too? -- Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From carlos@gnome-db.org Sun Apr 28 19:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50218189BD for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E87785E7; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:55:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Simple patch for status.c From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: "R.I.P. Deaddog" Cc: GNOME i18n list , Marcel Telka In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-eurO7+mOj4fMX3hjniVM" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 29 Apr 2002 01:55:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1020038143.451.74.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-eurO7+mOj4fMX3hjniVM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 28-04-2002 a las 22:37, R.I.P. Deaddog escribi=F3: > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:09:21PM +0200, Marcel Telka wrote: > > >=20 > > > Please consider applying attached patch to the status pages generator= . > > >=20 > > > This patch adds number of untranslated messages into separate locale > > > status pages for modules w/o .po file (or w/ errors). This kind of > > > information on status pages could be usefull for others too (I think)= . > >=20 > > I see there is slightly invalid "Total" line in locale stats. Here is > > second revision of my patch :-). > > >=20 > > > Thanks. >=20 > Yes, confirmed it's a bug caused by my patch. > Carlos, perhaps it should be applied to your local copy of > status.c too? Don't worry I will take care of it. > --=20 > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc >=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-eurO7+mOj4fMX3hjniVM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8zIv+EuPMamD5V9cRApAYAJ9ZmSkglZDY13kKWn3AJy3B2hL/mgCggkdj pxJmBqFUyUe6twtHGRRQ9O4= =J4qS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-eurO7+mOj4fMX3hjniVM-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Sun Apr 28 20:04:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B028118A61 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2CB7840E for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:04:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: call for help with status pages From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: GNOME i18n list Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-1QPj4nad/VbopyEfcAYA" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 29 Apr 2002 02:04:28 +0200 Message-Id: <1020038668.447.85.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-1QPj4nad/VbopyEfcAYA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I have a really good modification of status program. Now it can generate all releases we need from one translation-status.xml file ;-) (commit all changes to gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml or send me a patch) I'm testing it now, this night it will be working to see if all is working as it should. If all goes as it should Tomorrow I will generate new status pages with this program and also I will upload the source code to cvs.gnome.org. Where do I need your help? I need a translation-status.xml file as full as possible ;-) Please add as much modules as you can, look at translation-status.dtd and and all releases information you can. For example, put a "gnome-2.0-core" release, a "gnome-1.4-core" release, a "gnome-2.0-fifth-toe" and a "gnome-1.4-fifth-toe" and anything you think we should had there. As early I had this file with all information we will had fresh status pages with all modules ;-). Do you want status pages updated?, then HELP ME :-) Cheers. --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-1QPj4nad/VbopyEfcAYA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8zI4LEuPMamD5V9cRAhdAAJ0aTfuOqwNGp5nuwckAHRT38+0n0QCeIqal yQdCESJC+zwopAffCfpMD+c= =XIcu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-1QPj4nad/VbopyEfcAYA-- From visnovsky@nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz Mon Apr 29 04:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.17.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C61D18347 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (visnovsky@localhost) by nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3T8qLG10356; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:52:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:52:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Stanislav Visnovsky To: Christian Rose Cc: Mohammed Elzubeir , , Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019942981.23263.281.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 27 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > > (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable > status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lot > of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we > need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really > appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. BTW, the unstable report page makes me nervous. I can't get 100% complete translation, simply because of adding new modules and strings. :-(((( Anyway, will be there a message freeze before GNOME 2? It was lifted some time ago... This is another issue, where KDE greatly respects the translators. I'm pretty happy when I've got a week to update the translation for a GNOME module. In KDE, there are weeks of message freeze, see http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-release-plan.html Again, a policy should be introduced for core modules only (we need the list), but it needs to be there. The dot.plan should clearly state the the message freeze. And the translators should get a clear information, what is the last day for commits of new translations. Stanislav From visnovsky@nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz Mon Apr 29 04:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.17.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3487D18C1D for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (visnovsky@localhost) by nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3T8wi110400; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:58:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:58:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Stanislav Visnovsky To: Karl Eichwalder Cc: Christian Rose , Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Karl Eichwalder wrote: > > ChangeLog : nice to have :) Surely. > configure.in: switching to gettext 0.11.x not necessary any longer > (instead use po/LINGUAS) Could you, please, describe this a bit? Sounds interesting. > POTFILES.in : maintainer's job :-(( Typically, these files are really maintained by translators, which can't translate a part of the app and need to dig in the source. > > > Then, there is that gnome-i18n (but that's another story). > > I don't want to comment on this "feature". :-)) KDE has it as well. It's called "others". As a result, most of the translators ignore that (or it has the 2nd lowest priority, right above the development stuff not to be released. Stanislav From maddog@deaddog.org Mon Apr 29 05:10:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676F118436 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1727Ax-0000wq-00; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:10:27 +0800 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:10:19 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: call for help with status pages In-Reply-To: <1020038668.447.85.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 29 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > I think I have a really good modification of status program. >=20 > Now it can generate all releases we need from one translation-status.xml > file ;-) (commit all changes to gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml > or send me a patch) Just merged the non-core software back to translation-status.xml. Those belong to "Developer Platform" and "Desktop" (defined in releng/2.x/package-list) go to gnome-2.0-core, and all others go to gnome-2.0-extras release. Note that: * xscreensaver branch is modified to xscreensaver-i18n (just discovered jberkman releases this branch instead of HEAD) * added gnome-build, pan, printman and gtkhtml1 (gnome-2-port) * scrollkeeper not added, since there's no updated repository for scrollkeeper translation (gnome-i18n/ one is outdated) * the same applies to mrproject * ludwig not added, I found 2 branches for GNOME 2 (suppose one is bonobo-ized and another is not -- but which one will be the final one?) I guess adding GNOME 1.x entries is not hard at all, supposedly writing a script to transform the data from web-devel-2/content/projects/gtp/status/{stable,extras}/modules.dat could be trivial. But I need to go to bed... so others may want to help working on this. Abel > I'm testing it now, this night it will be working to see if all is > working as it should. If all goes as it should Tomorrow I will generate > new status pages with this program and also I will upload the source > code to cvs.gnome.org. >=20 > Where do I need your help? >=20 > I need a translation-status.xml file as full as possible ;-) >=20 > Please add as much modules as you can, look at translation-status.dtd > and and all releases information you can. >=20 > For example, put a "gnome-2.0-core" release, a "gnome-1.4-core" > release, a "gnome-2.0-fifth-toe" and a "gnome-1.4-fifth-toe" and > anything you think we should had there. >=20 > As early I had this file with all information we will had fresh status > pages with all modules ;-). >=20 > Do you want status pages updated?, then HELP ME :-) --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc From visnovsky@nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz Mon Apr 29 05:17:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.17.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6006318436 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (visnovsky@localhost) by nenya.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3T9Hgo10568; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:17:42 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:17:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Stanislav Visnovsky To: Christian Rose Cc: Isam Bayazidi , Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation In-Reply-To: <1019926574.23263.175.camel@daim.menthos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 27 Apr 2002, Christian Rose wrote: > > The kdelibs.po file contains all messages from KDElibs. These will show in > > the application as when the app uses standard KDE library. This is how KDE > > gets the consistent translation. The most used texts are stored in > > kdelibs! > > This is also how it's done in GNOME -- developers can choose from the > "stock" menus for example (in that case they will be translated > centrally) or use their own (in that case it will be localized in the > application). Are there any "janitors" to look for unnecessary app-specific menus? > > > > In fact, GNOME 2 is heading in the same direction via all those > > libgnome... libbonobo... > > This was also the situation before, but maybe it's more apparent in > GNOME 2. I'm aware of GNOME 1 situation :-)). The problem with GNOME 2 is that it introduces a lot of library names based on technologies, typical example is "bonobo". How can a translator find out, that "bonobo"-related libraries are used in most of GNOME 2 apps? In GNOME 1 it was all about gtk+ and gnome-libs, wasn't it? > > > > etc. But in GNOME, the consistency is pretty hard > > to get, since the number of libraries is very large. > > Perhaps... in any case, the use of translation memories should help > consistency. Partially. You need a glossary as well. And the best glossary are those implemented in the libraries. Otherwise it makes a lot of work to find out and fix the problems. > > > In GNOME, the translator needs to know CVS a bit better, needs to update > > ChangeLogs, configure.in (!!), typically POTFILES.in etc. Then, there is > > that gnome-i18n (but that's another story). > > How is the handlling of configure.in done in KDE? Is it scripts or does > someone else have to add it manually? In this case, I prefer manually > editing myself, because then I know that the current CVS version and all > subsequent releases *will* use my translation, and not depend on someone > else remembering to enable it. IMHO, KDE contains it's own catalog handling (I'm not an kdecore expert, ask Stephan Kulow for details). The application simply does something like setCatalog("myapp"). The kdelibs will try to lookup the correct .MO file. It means, you don't need the information about the catalog at the compile time (but that's true for all GNU gettext apps, right?). So it's about the makefiles. You need to dig into the automake/autoconf stuff of kde-i18n module, but I think it installs all PO files it can find at the automake/autoconf/configure run at the right places. The PO files are not named by language, but by the application-specific way (typically by the name of the app). The language info is in the path of the PO file location. > > > > Now back to that "messages" subdirectory. KDE uses poxml application to > > convert DocBook documentation into PO-files and vice versa. Again, > > there are automatic scripts to create the translated documentation and > > put it into correct place in CVS. > > This looks very interesting. I think we discussed this with the KDE > developer but if I remember correctly there was some technical reason > that the KDE solution to this couldn't automatically be used by GNOME. > I think it was about Qt again. But the source itself uses Qt for streams only. You need to ask Stephan, he's the maintainer and author, but we should not reinvent the wheel. > > > BTW, in KDE the languages MUST reach a defined level of completeness to be > > distributed = 100% of kdelibs.po, desktop.po and 80% (or 100%?) of > > all POT files in kdebase. There is 71 teams listed at > > http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php. > > This sounds similar to the GNOME rules -- I think we have decided in the > past that to be "supported" a translation must reach 75% status. Sadly, > i18n.gnome.org seems to be non-functional, so I cannot check for sure. But "supported" does not mean anything. Even non-supported languages will get into the distribution. Stanislav From menthos@menthos.com Mon Apr 29 05:21:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F4718347 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3T9LcK15315; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:21:39 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: Stanislav Visnovsky Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Kjartan Maraas In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 29 Apr 2002 11:21:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1020072099.23263.543.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: m=E5n 2002-04-29 klockan 10.52 skrev Stanislav Visnovsky: > > (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable > > status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lot > > of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we > > need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really > > appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. >=20 > BTW, the unstable report page makes me nervous. I can't get 100% > complete translation, simply because of adding new modules and > strings. :-(((( >=20 > Anyway, will be there a message freeze before GNOME 2? It was lifted some > time ago... >=20 > This is another issue, where KDE greatly respects the translators. I'm > pretty happy when I've got a week to update the translation for a GNOME > module. In KDE, there are weeks of message freeze, see > http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-release-plan.html >=20 > Again, a policy should be introduced for core modules only (we need the > list), but it needs to be there. The dot.plan should clearly state the > the message freeze. And the translators should get a clear > information, what is the last day for commits of new translations. We will have this when we have a new message freeze for GNOME 2.0 (as you said, the previous one was lifted). So don't worry, Kjartan has promised that we will get plenty of time (at least more than a week) to finish up GNOME 2.0 translations when there is a message freeze again, and it will be clearly announced here and on dotplan. It's just that no such new message freeze date has been decided upon yet. Kjartan, please correct me if I'm wrong. Christian From menthos@menthos.com Mon Apr 29 05:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0256B18436 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3T9XvK16993; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:33:57 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Christian Rose To: Stanislav Visnovsky Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 29 Apr 2002 11:33:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1020072837.23263.557.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: m=E5n 2002-04-29 klockan 11.17 skrev Stanislav Visnovsky: > > > The kdelibs.po file contains all messages from KDElibs. These will sh= ow in > > > the application as when the app uses standard KDE library. This is ho= w KDE > > > gets the consistent translation. The most used texts are stored in > > > kdelibs! > > > > This is also how it's done in GNOME -- developers can choose from the > > "stock" menus for example (in that case they will be translated > > centrally) or use their own (in that case it will be localized in the > > application). >=20 > Are there any "janitors" to look for unnecessary app-specific menus? Not that I know of, but I'm no expert on that. > > > In fact, GNOME 2 is heading in the same direction via all those > > > libgnome... libbonobo... > > > > This was also the situation before, but maybe it's more apparent in > > GNOME 2. >=20 > I'm aware of GNOME 1 situation :-)). The problem with GNOME 2 is that > it introduces a lot of library names based on technologies, typical > example is "bonobo". How can a translator find out, that "bonobo"-related > libraries are used in most of GNOME 2 apps? It was decided that for a lot of reasons multiple libraries that can be independantly released and maintained if needed are better for this and other reasons, than single monolithic libraries. And bonobo is a core GNOME library and should thus be listed in the core GNOME 2.0 translation status (or a development platform status). Anything in that list should be considered essential to translate IMHO. > > > etc. But in GNOME, the consistency is pretty hard > > > to get, since the number of libraries is very large. > > > > Perhaps... in any case, the use of translation memories should help > > consistency. >=20 > Partially. You need a glossary as well. And the best glossary are those > implemented in the libraries. Otherwise it makes a lot of work to find ou= t > and fix the problems. I haven't experienced that problem. > > > In GNOME, the translator needs to know CVS a bit better, needs to upd= ate > > > ChangeLogs, configure.in (!!), typically POTFILES.in etc. Then, there= is > > > that gnome-i18n (but that's another story). > > > > How is the handlling of configure.in done in KDE? Is it scripts or does > > someone else have to add it manually? In this case, I prefer manually > > editing myself, because then I know that the current CVS version and al= l > > subsequent releases *will* use my translation, and not depend on someon= e > > else remembering to enable it. >=20 > IMHO, KDE contains it's own catalog handling (I'm not an kdecore expert, > ask Stephan Kulow for details). The application simply does something lik= e > setCatalog("myapp"). The kdelibs will try to lookup the correct .MO file. > It means, you don't need the information about the catalog at the compile > time (but that's true for all GNU gettext apps, right?). >=20 > So it's about the makefiles. You need to dig into the automake/autoconf > stuff of kde-i18n module, but I think it installs all PO files it can fin= d > at the automake/autoconf/configure run at the right places. The PO files > are not named by language, but by the application-specific way (typically > by the name of the app). The language info is in the path of the PO file > location. I think GNOME chose the manual way instead of some magic automatic thing because sometimes a po file can be broken, but that shouldn't stop an important release, so it is good to have an easy way to remove the po from the build instead of having to remove it from cvs or the tarball (since it's easier to fix for someone later if it's still present in cvs or tarballs). > > > Now back to that "messages" subdirectory. KDE uses poxml application = to > > > convert DocBook documentation into PO-files and vice versa. Again, > > > there are automatic scripts to create the translated documentation an= d > > > put it into correct place in CVS. > > > > This looks very interesting. I think we discussed this with the KDE > > developer but if I remember correctly there was some technical reason > > that the KDE solution to this couldn't automatically be used by GNOME. >=20 > I think it was about Qt again. But the source itself uses Qt for streams > only. You need to ask Stephan, he's the maintainer and author, but we > should not reinvent the wheel. I think it was Stephan we asked at GUADEC2. :-) > > > BTW, in KDE the languages MUST reach a defined level of completeness = to be > > > distributed =3D 100% of kdelibs.po, desktop.po and 80% (or 100%?) of > > > all POT files in kdebase. There is 71 teams listed at > > > http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php. > > > > This sounds similar to the GNOME rules -- I think we have decided in th= e > > past that to be "supported" a translation must reach 75% status. Sadly, > > i18n.gnome.org seems to be non-functional, so I cannot check for sure. >=20 > But "supported" does not mean anything. Even non-supported languages will > get into the distribution. "Supported" does mean a thing. It means that this is a language that has good support in GNOME. And if we simply don't ship languages that haven't reached that status yet, it's hard to improve that situation for those languages, because it's hard to test and get an idea of what to improve if the translations are removed, IMHO. Christian From ke@suse.de Mon Apr 29 05:35:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from Cantor.suse.de (ns.suse.de [213.95.15.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A3418C2C for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hermes.suse.de (Charybdis.suse.de [213.95.15.201]) by Cantor.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E07E1E461; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:35:11 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: frechet.suse.de: ke set sender to ke@suse.de using -f To: Stanislav Visnovsky Cc: Christian Rose , Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation References: From: Karl Eichwalder Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:35:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stanislav Visnovsky's message of "Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:58:44 +0200 (MET DST)") Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Stanislav Visnovsky writes: >> configure.in: switching to gettext 0.11.x not necessary any longer >> (instead use po/LINGUAS) > > Could you, please, describe this a bit? Sounds interesting. It's simple. Language lists from configure.in (ALL_LINGUAS="") will go to po/LINGUAS; ./configure and/or make will check po/LINGUAS at runtime. gettext 0.11 already makes use of this technique. >> POTFILES.in : maintainer's job > > :-(( Typically, these files are really maintained by translators, which > can't translate a part of the app and need to dig in the source. Okay, under those circumstances the translator morphs into a maintainer ;) -- Linux frechet 2.4.18-4GB #1 Fri Apr 5 15:14:39 UTC 2002 i686 unknown 11:29am up 20 days, 20:38, 9 users, load average: 0.20, 0.10, 0.02 work : ke@suse.de Karl Eichwalder home : keichwa@gmx.net From ke@suse.de Mon Apr 29 05:44:42 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from Cantor.suse.de (ns.suse.de [213.95.15.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E96118C31 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hermes.suse.de (Charybdis.suse.de [213.95.15.201]) by Cantor.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A481E4A4; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:44:41 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: frechet.suse.de: ke set sender to ke@suse.de using -f To: Stanislav Visnovsky Cc: Christian Rose , Isam Bayazidi , Subject: Re: difficulties with Gnome Translation References: From: Karl Eichwalder Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:44:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stanislav Visnovsky's message of "Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:17:42 +0200 (MET DST)") Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Stanislav Visnovsky writes: > The PO files are not named by language, but by the > application-specific way (typically by the name of the app). The > language info is in the path of the PO file location. That's the common setup; `make install' always installs $LL.po as $LL/LC_MESSAGES/$TEXTDOMAIN.mo . Christian Rose writes: > "Supported" does mean a thing. It means that this is a language that has > good support in GNOME. And if we simply don't ship languages that > haven't reached that status yet, it's hard to improve that situation for > those languages, because it's hard to test and get an idea of what to > improve if the translations are removed, IMHO. Yes, that sounds reasonable. -- Linux frechet 2.4.18-4GB #1 Fri Apr 5 15:14:39 UTC 2002 i686 unknown 11:39am up 20 days, 20:48, 9 users, load average: 0.02, 0.04, 0.00 work : ke@suse.de Karl Eichwalder home : keichwa@gmx.net From carlos@gnome-db.org Mon Apr 29 18:14:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A25218A1F for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8400E78383; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: call for help with status pages From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: "R.I.P. Deaddog" Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-prLMNbDnTSgNdNFrCRfs" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 30 Apr 2002 00:14:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1020118448.394.79.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-prLMNbDnTSgNdNFrCRfs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El lun, 29-04-2002 a las 11:10, R.I.P. Deaddog escribi=F3: Good job man ;-) [...] >=20 >=20 > I guess adding GNOME 1.x entries is not hard at all, supposedly writing > a script to transform the data from > web-devel-2/content/projects/gtp/status/{stable,extras}/modules.dat > could be trivial. But I need to go to bed... so others may want to help > working on this. >=20 Well I cannot write the script (I don't know perl), it's more easy (for me) cut && paste ;-) Any help will be welcomed :-). We have all working now, here you can see today GNOME 2.0 status pages: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.0-core/ http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.0-extras/ The status program gets now ONLY translation-status.xml and generates all pages it has defined at the .xml file. Tomorrow I will add as many modules as I could (gnome-1.4 and more gnome-2.0 ones). The idea is that we should had: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-1.4-core/ http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-1.4-fifth-toe/ http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-1.4-extras/ http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.0-core/ http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.0-fifth-toe/ http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.0-extras/ core --> Only core packages fifth-toe --> Any other GNOME package that is a GNOME official package but it isn't a core package. extras --> Any package that use GNOME but it's not an official package (like Ximian's redcarpet, gnome-doorman, or RedHat's rp3). Tomorrow I will update all status pages with this configuration and also, I will update all links at GNOME website to the new URLs. Cheers. P.S.: Thank you for all patches agaisnt status program, you made my life more easy :-). I will try to upload all my modifications tomorrow. Now I'm tired, time to sleep :-D >=20 > Abel >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I'm testing it now, this night it will be working to see if all is > > working as it should. If all goes as it should Tomorrow I will generate > > new status pages with this program and also I will upload the source > > code to cvs.gnome.org. > >=20 > > Where do I need your help? > >=20 > > I need a translation-status.xml file as full as possible ;-) > >=20 > > Please add as much modules as you can, look at translation-status.dtd > > and and all releases information you can. > >=20 > > For example, put a "gnome-2.0-core" release, a "gnome-1.4-core" > > release, a "gnome-2.0-fifth-toe" and a "gnome-1.4-fifth-toe" and > > anything you think we should had there. > >=20 > > As early I had this file with all information we will had fresh status > > pages with all modules ;-). > >=20 > > Do you want status pages updated?, then HELP ME :-) >=20 > --=20 > Abel Cheung > GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc >=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-prLMNbDnTSgNdNFrCRfs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8zcWvEuPMamD5V9cRAt1/AJ0f4lVfj1RGXQ905j33R89ugSi9WgCfXNbz FilmMAr0O28NtIs74AvmLO8= =jDMP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-prLMNbDnTSgNdNFrCRfs-- From carlos@gnome-db.org Mon Apr 29 18:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gollum.gnome-db.org (69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.181.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594C418A1F for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (frodo.gnome-db.org [192.168.1.4]) by gollum.gnome-db.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B5B78489; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: re: difficulties with Gnome Translation From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Christian Rose Cc: Mohammed Elzubeir , GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1019942981.23263.281.camel@daim.menthos.com> References: <20020427152807.B17537@arabeyes.org> <1019942981.23263.281.camel@daim.menthos.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+bwMUXJDdSg09ey7cVeA" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 30 Apr 2002 00:18:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1020118699.393.83.camel@frodo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-+bwMUXJDdSg09ey7cVeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El s=E1b, 27-04-2002 a las 23:29, Christian Rose escribi=F3: > l=F6r 2002-04-27 klockan 22.28 skrev Mohammed Elzubeir: > > The Gnome system seems to place the developers' individual applications= ' > > independence very high. That is very well, and it needs not be > > compromised. However, it is also under the assumption that translations > > would be as spread out as the applications' po/'s. In other words, it > > seems that translators are expected to be individually motivated by X,Y > > persons who want to translate application Y. As opposed to Team 1 > > wanting to translate the entire Gnome environment and all the major > > applications that come with it. >=20 > I don't see any conflict in this. For those who want to translate "all > of Gnome" and may not be much interested in the individual applications > by their own but rather of the environment as a whole, the status pages > is the resource to use. They define what should be translated if Gnome > is to be translated(*). >=20 > (*) Currently this isn't the case because for example the unstable > status pages don't just list the core GNOME 2.0 modules but also a lot > of non-core and non-gnome modules, but that's just a bug. I think we > need a seperate stable/extra and unstable/extra report. I'd really > appreciate Carlos' opinions on this. As you know new status pages have this "bug" solved ;-) Also, since today all information is stored at gnome-i18n/status/translation-status.xml so any question regard a module, branch, po dir, etc.. look at it. [...] Cheers. --=20 Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn mailto:carlos@gnome-db.org mailto:carlos.perello@hispalinux.es http://www.gnome-db.org http://www.Hispalinux.es Valencia - Spain --=-+bwMUXJDdSg09ey7cVeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje esta firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8zcaqEuPMamD5V9cRApCjAKCDm6PWmHMd3/RbgFCrWLGJCpix7gCfRw7D AP8+5Cn7nJaF5ZT+Taud6Hc= =tgjQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+bwMUXJDdSg09ey7cVeA-- From menthos@menthos.com Mon Apr 29 18:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DA118FAD for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daim (E405.sparta.afb.lu.se [194.47.241.12]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3TMXtK24578 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:33:55 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: call for help with status pages From: Christian Rose To: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: <1020118448.394.79.camel@frodo> References: <1020118448.394.79.camel@frodo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-2) Date: 30 Apr 2002 00:33:55 +0200 Message-Id: <1020119635.23247.704.camel@daim.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: tis 2002-04-30 klockan 00.14 skrev Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn: > The idea is that we should had: >=20 > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-1.4-core/ > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-1.4-fifth-toe/ > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-1.4-extras/ > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.0-core/ > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.0-fifth-toe/ > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.0-extras/ >=20 >=20 > core --> Only core packages > fifth-toe --> Any other GNOME package that is a GNOME official package > but it isn't a core package. > extras --> Any package that use GNOME but it's not an official package > (like Ximian's redcarpet, gnome-doorman, or RedHat's rp3). Previously, Fifth Toe has been a precisely defined distribution of selected non-core GNOME packages, and I think we should aim to keep that distinction. So just because something is a GNOME package doesn't mean that it should go into Fifth Toe, only things that are/were included in the Fifth Toe release should be in that report, IMHO. Everything else that isn't neither Core nor Fifth Toe should go into Extra, even if it is a GNOME package in some other way. I don't know if there are any plans to do a Fifth Toe release for GNOME 2.0 or if any packages have been selected for that, but the GNOME 2.0 Fifth Toe status could use the 1.4 Fifth Toe selection of packages in the mean time, where those match. Just my opinion. Otherwise, this really rocks! Thanks for doing this! Christian From happyguy_pt@hotmail.com Mon Apr 29 20:56:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f34.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CDE1894B for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:56:47 -0700 Received: from 194.65.14.67 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:56:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.65.14.67] From: "Duarte Loreto" To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Problem checking in file in glade Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:56:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2002 00:56:47.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7C19C70:01C1EFE1] Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! I'm writing as I'm having a problem and I bet one of you can help me... I'm trying to add the pt translation to glade (branch gnome2-branch). When I do "cvs -z3 add pt.po", I always get the error message: cvs server: cannot add file on non-branch tag glade-gnome2-branch I can modify existing files, though (I commited modification to ChangeLog stating that I was adding the pt translation). How can I overcome this problem and getting the translation into CVS? Thank you for your help. Have fun! Duarte "HappyGuy" Loreto "Don't worry, be happy!" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From maddog@deaddog.org Mon Apr 29 21:44:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from gaia (deaddog.org [203.194.160.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887A4186A2 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imckt.dnsalias.org ([203.168.221.108] helo=mobile.maddog.lan) by gaia with esmtp (Exim 4.36 #1 (Debian)) id 172Mgk-0003kK-00; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:44:19 +0800 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:44:17 +0800 (HKT) From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: call for help with status pages In-Reply-To: <1020118448.394.79.camel@frodo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463761151-1553036361-1020131057=:26621" Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1463761151-1553036361-1020131057=:26621 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On 30 Apr 2002, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrote: > > I guess adding GNOME 1.x entries is not hard at all, supposedly writing > > a script to transform the data from > > web-devel-2/content/projects/gtp/status/{stable,extras}/modules.dat > > could be trivial. But I need to go to bed... so others may want to help > > working on this. >=20 > Well I cannot write the script (I don't know perl), it's more easy (for > me) cut && paste ;-) >=20 > Any help will be welcomed :-). Neither do I know perl (do you still remember you fixed bugs I introduced in perl scripts). What I'm think about is just some simple scripts like the one attached. Just pipe modules.dat through it and everything should be(*) fine. Gimp needs special care though. It'd be much simpler if awk script is used instead. But.... I don't know awk too :) (*) should be =3D might not be --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc ---1463761151-1553036361-1020131057=:26621 Content-Type: APPLICATION/x-sh; name="parse-modules.sh" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="parse-modules.sh" IyEvYmluL2Jhc2gKCndoaWxlIHJlYWQgbGluZTsgZG8KCWxpbmUxPWBlY2hv ICRsaW5lIHwgc2VkICdzLywvIC9nJ2AKCWFycmF5PSgkbGluZTEpCgoJaWYg WyAiYGVjaG8gJHthcnJheVsxXX0gfCBzZWQgJ3MvZ25vbWUtaTE4bi8vJ2Ai ICE9ICIke2FycmF5WzFdfSIgXTsgdGhlbgoJCWNtcGRpcj0iJHthcnJheVsx XX0iCgkJcG9kaXI9LgoJZWxzZQoJCWNtcGRpcj0iJHthcnJheVswXX0iCgkJ cG9kaXI9cG8KCWZpCgoJY2F0IDw8IF9FT0ZfCiAgPG1vZHVsZSBuYW1lPSIk e2FycmF5WzBdfSI+CiAgICA8dmVyc2lvbiByZWxlYXNlPSJnbm9tZS0xLjQt Y29yZSI+CiAgICAgIDxjb21wb25lbnQgbmFtZT0iJHthcnJheVswXX0iIGRp cj0iJGNtcGRpciI+Cgk8cG9kaXIgZGlyPSIkcG9kaXIiPgoJPHBvdG5hbWUg bmFtZT0iJHthcnJheVsyXX0iPgoJPGJyYW5jaCBuYW1lPSIke2FycmF5WzNd fSI+Cl9FT0ZfCgoJaWYgWyAiJHthcnJheVs0XX0iID0gIlRSVUUiIF07IHRo ZW4KCQllY2hvIC1lICJcdDxyZWdlbmVyYXRlLz4iCglmaQoKCWlmIFsgIiR7 YXJyYXlbNV19IiA9ICJUUlVFIiBdOyB0aGVuCgkJZWNobyAtZSAiXHQ8ZG93 bmxvYWQvPiIKCWZpCgkKCWNhdCA8PCBfRU9GXwogICAgICA8L2NvbXBvbmVu dD4KICAgIDwvdmVyc2lvbj4KICA8L21vZHVsZT4KX0VPRl8KCmRvbmUK ---1463761151-1553036361-1020131057=:26621-- From ashling.donagh@sun.com Tue Apr 30 07:03:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from kathmandu.sun.com (kathmandu.sun.com [192.18.98.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979BB185AE for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by kathmandu.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15585 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-159-0-62.EMEA.Sun.COM [129.159.0.62]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g3UB36T15625 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:03:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3CCE7A3D.B9C3F200@sun.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:04:29 +0100 From: Ashling Donagh Reply-To: ashling.donagh@sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Russian Glossary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, I am looking for the latest version of the Russian Gnome glossary and I dont see it at:> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/glossary/. Could someone point me to it? Thanks Ashling From maddog@maddog.lan Tue Apr 30 07:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [218.252.38.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1915418416 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 501) id E5EDA140907; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:21:46 +0800 (HKT) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:21:46 +0800 From: "R.I.P. Deaddog" To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: Re: Russian Glossary Message-ID: <20020430112146.GA31096@deaddog.org> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org References: <3CCE7A3D.B9C3F200@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CCE7A3D.B9C3F200@sun.com> Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2002-04-30(Tue) 12:04:29 +0100, Ashling Donagh wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > I am looking for the latest version of the Russian Gnome glossary and I > dont see it at:> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/glossary/. > Could someone point me to it? I have never seen russian gnome glossary in CVS before. Are you sure it exists? --=20 Abel Cheung GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8zn5KQVLh8cZxhv8RAiPKAJ9W0sR6Bkn7nQpqRJhqapX1L5ZPegCg8Fp8 wkLwOqGji8MI4/WuIuV8HtQ= =uH6w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From pclouds@fptnet.com Tue Apr 30 12:27:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (dns2.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8BC1952D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn (isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.131]) by dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3UGWSZ02814 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:32:28 +0700 Received: from hcm.fpt.vn ([203.162.45.132]) by isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id J7HP46K6; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:37:14 +0700 Received: from [203.162.70.72] by hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.132] Received: (from pclouds@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g412AtJ00573 for gnome-i18n@gnome.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:10:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:10:55 -0400 From: pclouds To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Subject: status pages update Message-ID: <20020430221055.A568@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello I would like to ask how often the status pages is updated? Thanks -- ._ _ | _ _| _ |_)(_ |(_)|_|(_|_> | From teg@redhat.com Tue Apr 30 17:55:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from halden.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC85618395 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from teg@localhost) by halden.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3ULt6C06089; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:55:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: halden.devel.redhat.com: teg set sender to teg@redhat.com using -f To: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019655660.495.58.camel@frodo> Organization: Red Hat, Inc. From: teg@redhat.com (Trond Eivind =?iso-8859-1?q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: 30 Apr 2002 17:55:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1019655660.495.58.camel@frodo> Message-ID: Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Carlos Perelló Marín writes: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > El mi=E9, 24-04-2002 a las 15:34, Keld J=F8rn Simonsen escribi=F3: > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wrot= e: > > > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before the > > > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > > > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debian > > > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > > >=20 > > > What do you think? > > >=20 > > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? > >=20 > > I think it would create some problems. I have experienced > > quite a lot of problems with utf-8 files, because they > > are not adhered to. That is, many make modifications > > to utf-8 files in another charset, eg iso-8859-1. > > And then one has to remedy these errors. I have lost > > quite some hours on that account.=20 > >=20 > > It has been discussed before and the conclusion > > was also then to not do it. >=20 > But we need it as UTF8 at release time... >=20 > We can add a script at cvs.gnome.org to check for a valid .po file, if > the file is not well enconded the commit can fail. Shouldn't that be done anyway? Invalid po files are a big pain.... --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- Trond Eivind Glomsrød Red Hat, Inc. --=-=-=-- From gleblanc@linuxweasel.com Tue Apr 30 19:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from mail.linuxweasel.com (216-99-218-48.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDC019255 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20483 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2002 22:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.10?) (192.168.1.10) by 192.168.1.50 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 22:54:04 -0000 Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files From: Gregory Leblanc To: Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?= Cc: GNOME i18n list In-Reply-To: References: <1019643232.508.12.camel@frodo> <20020424133428.GA25584@rap.rap.dk> <1019655660.495.58.camel@frodo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 30 Apr 2002 16:16:29 -0700 Message-Id: <1020208589.7891.5.camel@peecee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 14:55, Trond Eivind Glomsr=F8d wrote: > Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn writes: > ---- >=20 >=20 > > El mi=E9, 24-04-2002 a las 15:34, Keld J=F8rn Simonsen escribi=F3: > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Carlos Perell=F3 Mar=EDn wr= ote: > > > > Hi I'm thinking on recode all GNOME2's .po files into UTF8 before t= he > > > > release. Some teams are not working on translations and then those > > > > translations could cause problems on old systems (as old as a Debia= n > > > > Potato or RedHat 6.2). > > > >=20 > > > > What do you think? > > > >=20 > > > > Could I reencode all those files and commit them to cvs.gnome.org? > > >=20 > > > I think it would create some problems. I have experienced > > > quite a lot of problems with utf-8 files, because they > > > are not adhered to. That is, many make modifications > > > to utf-8 files in another charset, eg iso-8859-1. > > > And then one has to remedy these errors. I have lost > > > quite some hours on that account.=20 > > >=20 > > > It has been discussed before and the conclusion > > > was also then to not do it. > >=20 > > But we need it as UTF8 at release time... > >=20 > > We can add a script at cvs.gnome.org to check for a valid .po file, if > > the file is not well enconded the commit can fail. >=20 > Shouldn't that be done anyway? Invalid po files are a big pain.... Yep, it should. There was some attempt at doing this in CVS, but the regexp was broken and never matched any files. I think it's gone now, but I'm not sure. Sopwith was the last one looking at this, IIRC. Greg --=20 Portland, Oregon, USA. From teg@redhat.com Tue Apr 30 19:26:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from halden.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5DD18C43 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (teg@localhost) by halden.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3UNQTn07325; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:26:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: halden.devel.redhat.com: teg owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:26:29 -0400 (EDT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Eivind_Glomsr=F8d?= To: Gregory Leblanc Cc: GNOME i18n list Subject: Re: UTF8 encoding for all .po files In-Reply-To: <1020208589.7891.5.camel@peecee> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 30 Apr 2002, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > > We can add a script at cvs.gnome.org to check for a valid .po file, if > > > the file is not well enconded the commit can fail. > > > > Shouldn't that be done anyway? Invalid po files are a big pain.... > > Yep, it should. There was some attempt at doing this in CVS, but the > regexp was broken and never matched any files. I think it's gone now, > but I'm not sure. Sopwith was the last one looking at this, IIRC. What I do, is add a check in commitinfo which check if it's a .po file. If it is, and it exists (so removals don't fail), it runs msgfmt -c on it. If msgfmt likes the file, the commit is accepted, if not, it fails. -- Trond Eivind Glomsrød Red Hat, Inc. From Damien.Donlon@Sun.COM Wed Apr 10 08:57:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811AF180F8 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12865; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:57:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Sun.COM (basil [129.156.232.73]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g3ACvgT21838; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:57:42 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3CB43638.13C65A1F@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:55:20 +0100 From: Damien Donlon Reply-To: Damien.Donlon@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mawa@iname.com, mbarreiro@red.madritel.es, gpoo@ubiobio.cl, cgabriel@pluto.linux.it, redfox@eikonex.org, godoy@conectiva.com.br, nakai@gnome.gr.jp, lark@linux.net.cn, maddog@linux.org.hk, rainlood@kldp.org, cyba@gnome.pl, menthos@menthos.com, gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome_int_l10n@ireland.sun.com Subject: PLEASE READ : Sun Gnome2.0 UI translation Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A4F3321EF5F2DCD7CA9D6710" Sender: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-i18n-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-i18n@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Internationalization (I18N) of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A4F3321EF5F2DCD7CA9D6710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, This email is addressed specifically to the translation team coordinators for Gnome but feedback from anyone else involved in Gnome translation is also very welcome. With the kind help of Christian Meyer, Christian Rose, Keld Simonsen & Abel Cheung we have put together a proposal for coordinating the forthcoming Sun translation work for Gnome 2.0 UI messages. You will find it attached. Please provide your feedback on it as soon as possible so that we can make any necessary changes to the process and get started with this work. Thank you! Regards, Damien ______________________ Damien Donlon damien.donlon@sun.com 00 353 1 8199225 x19225 --------------A4F3321EF5F2DCD7CA9D6710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="04-10-02-gnome-l10n.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="04-10-02-gnome-l10n.txt" Proposal for forthcoming Sun Gnome 2.0 UI Translation Work __________________________________________________________ This document outlines a plan for coordinating translation work to be done by Sun for Gnome 2.0 UI messages. It is needed to : - avoid duplication of effort between Sun and community translators - define a community review process for Sun translations The current language list for which Sun is funding translations and their corresponding community team coordinators is as follows : de Matthias Warkus/Christian Meyer = es Manuel de Vega Barreiro/Germ=E1n Poo Caama=F1o = it Christopher Gabriel = fr Christophe Merlet = pt_BR Jorge Godoy = ja Yukihiro Nakai = zh_CN Wang Jian = zh_TW Abel Cheung = ko Noh Woo Kyong = pl Zbigniew Chyla sv Christian Rose = We wish to do rolling translations on 4 groups of modules and need to coordinate with the community translation teams to ensure there is no duplication of translation work. The 4 groups of modules are : Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 _________________________________________________________ gdict sawfish libgnomecanvas gedit yelp libgnomeui ggv bonobo glib ghex gnome-admin at-spi glade gnome-print bonobo-activation gnome-applets gtk+ eel gnome-control-center gconf eog gnome-core gnome-vfs gnome-desktop gnome-media gtkhtml gnome-games gnome-utils gnome-i18n gnome-mime-data gperfmeter libbonobo gnome-panel nautilus libgnome gnome-session Group 4 ______________________ gtkhtml2 libbonoboui libglade libgnomeprint libgnomeprintui libwnck libzvt metacity metatheme profterm Some of these modules may currently have no translatable = strings as the listing is based on a search for po directories in the CVS tree used to build Gnome on Solaris. Also, some of = these modules may have complete translations for certain languages = already. = We prefer to use the rolling translation model on groups of modules = because doing translations for individual languages on a individual modu= le = basis would be difficult to coordinate over 11 languages and make a = generic process for doing translation review and putbacks into the = CVS tree difficult. = We would like the process to work as follows : We will forward a translation schedule in due course listing dates when we will take each group of modules. On these dates , coordinators would then suspend their translation work on the modules contained in the group. We will then do analysis of t= he = translatable content and then come back to the coordinators with a = return date for the translated files on a per language basis within = 1/2 days. = Typically turnaround time is about 1500-2000 words per language per = day but with QA andd proofreading generally we are talking about 5 days for 5000 words or thereabouts. However, this may be shorter or longer dependent on the completeness of existing translations for the language. We wish to ensure a complete community review of our = translations prior to them being put back into CVS and suggest the following process : [1] Once Sun translation work has bee completed we will hand-off the translated files to the community translation teams for review. We will also supply contact names for each language to whom = community translation team coordinators can send their review comments. Team coordinators ONLY contact this person please! [2] If a situation arises where things are not going well on either = side for whatever reason then escalate it to Ashling Donagh = (ashling.donagh@sun.com), otherwise no need to cc her on emails about the review. [3] When you review the translations you need to send commments NOT changed files. Reason : Because our translators have been translating for= = Sun for years and they know our style guidelines and use our glossaries we have to give their translations precedence (no offense!) for Gnome on Solaris. But we do want to get community translator input on those = translations because of their familiarity with Gnome. Thus we ensure = best quality for all. Providing comments as opposed to changed files ensures that community translation teams are free to implement whatever changes they think = appropriate for the community release once we commit them. [4] Our translators will implement the community translation team comments. If they do not implement a comment they will flag it and return it to the language team coordinator as "not implemented". If they make any additional changes to those messages already translated by the community they will note it and flag as "changed translated message". [5] If, after 7 days there is no feedback on the files sent to community teams for review then we will assume they are ok and place them back into community CVS. If a community language team is unable to provide feedback within 7 days but wish to do so, or if specific teams have specific 'commit' policy for putting = back files then let us know. Otherwise, we shall just commit the files! = [6] One important note - everything we hand back will be in UTF-8 encoding and the charmap fielf in the 1st msgid of the .po files will be changed accordingly. When all translations have been completed for all languages on a = specific group of modules then we will move on to the next group. In summary the process would be : 1. Sun inform community translation teams that they are taking = a group of modules on a specific date. 2. Community translation teams freeze working on those modules at that date. 3. Sun provides community with expected file return date. 4. Upon translation Sun send files to community for review. 5. Community teams provide review comments within 7 days. 6. Sun implement review comments for Solaris Gnome release = and flag any comments not implemented to community team coordinators. 7. Sun returns files to community CVS. 8. Move on to next group of modules. = Please send your comments/feedback to damien.donlon@sun.com cc'ing = ashling.donagh@ireland.sun.com --------------A4F3321EF5F2DCD7CA9D6710--