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Hey guys,

I'm working on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552830, and I'm
looking for some simple examples of code using gio/gvfs. #nautilus mentioned
that although Nautilus has been converted, it is a non-trivial piece of
code, and there are probably better sources that I could use. If anyone has
any suggestions, that'd be great.

Thanks!
Joe Smith

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<div dir="ltr">Hey guys,<br><br>I&#39;m working on <a href="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552830">http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552830</a>, and I&#39;m looking for some simple examples of code using gio/gvfs. #nautilus mentioned that although Nautilus has been converted, it is a non-trivial piece of code, and there are probably better sources that I could use. If anyone has any suggestions, that&#39;d be great.<br>
<br>Thanks!<br clear="all">Joe Smith<br>
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Thank you for your answers!

I think I'll stick to Gtk by now.


Matias.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Luiz Fernando <luiz.armesto@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Matias <gonzalezmatias@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > My name is Matias and I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
>
> Hola Matias, bienvenido.
>
> > I've started making some example programs in Gtk+ with pyGtk since python
> is
> > my default language for doing almost everything.
>
> Good choice.
>
> > Enough intro, now the question. The official tutorial that i found was a
> > little older, but i could make it to start with some help of this page
> > http://www.micahcarrick.com/12-24-2007/gtk-glade-tutorial-part-1.html. I
> > wanted to know if there is some way in Glade and GTK to make styleshed
> > windows (e.g. like audacious or gnome-do does). I couldn't much help with
> > this so i thought this would be the best place to ask.
>
> My suggestion is to look the following pages and try to do some tests
>
> http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkstyle.html
> http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkwidget.html
> http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkdrawingarea.html
> http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkwindow.html
> http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkdrawable.html
>
> http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq10.024.htp
>
> http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=index
>
> --
> Luiz Fernando da Silva Armesto
>
> http://stoa.usp.br/luizarmesto/
> luiz.armesto@gmail.com (email, GTalk, MSN)
>
> OpenPGP key: 0734D00A
>



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<div dir="ltr">Thank you for your answers!<br><br>I think I&#39;ll stick to Gtk by now.<br><br><br>Matias.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Luiz Fernando <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luiz.armesto@gmail.com">luiz.armesto@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Matias &lt;<a href="mailto:gonzalezmatias@gmail.com">gonzalezmatias@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; Hello everybody,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My name is Matias and I&#39;m from Buenos Aires, Argentina.<br>
<br>
</div>Hola Matias, bienvenido.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
&gt; I&#39;ve started making some example programs in Gtk+ with pyGtk since python is<br>
&gt; my default language for doing almost everything.<br>
<br>
</div>Good choice.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
&gt; Enough intro, now the question. The official tutorial that i found was a<br>
&gt; little older, but i could make it to start with some help of this page<br>
&gt; <a href="http://www.micahcarrick.com/12-24-2007/gtk-glade-tutorial-part-1.html" target="_blank">http://www.micahcarrick.com/12-24-2007/gtk-glade-tutorial-part-1.html</a>. I<br>
&gt; wanted to know if there is some way in Glade and GTK to make styleshed<br>
&gt; windows (e.g. like audacious or gnome-do does). I couldn&#39;t much help with<br>
&gt; this so i thought this would be the best place to ask.<br>
<br>
</div>My suggestion is to look the following pages and try to do some tests<br>
<br>
<a href="http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkstyle.html" target="_blank">http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkstyle.html</a><br>
<a href="http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkwidget.html" target="_blank">http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkwidget.html</a><br>
<a href="http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkdrawingarea.html" target="_blank">http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkdrawingarea.html</a><br>
<a href="http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkwindow.html" target="_blank">http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkwindow.html</a><br>
<a href="http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkdrawable.html" target="_blank">http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkdrawable.html</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&amp;file=faq10.024.htp" target="_blank">http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&amp;file=faq10.024.htp</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=index" target="_blank">http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=index</a><br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Luiz Fernando da Silva Armesto<br>
<br>
<a href="http://stoa.usp.br/luizarmesto/" target="_blank">http://stoa.usp.br/luizarmesto/</a><br>
<a href="mailto:luiz.armesto@gmail.com">luiz.armesto@gmail.com</a> (email, GTalk, MSN)<br>
<br>
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Hi

I have seen that so many packages in their trunk version don't even
compile in the last stable gnome version (that is 2.22 for my
ArchLinux). So I would like to install the latest gnome version from the
source code.

I have read how to compile the Gnome latest packages from source code
[1] , but it looks like so old-fashioned (Gnome now is using SVN instead
of CVS). I know how to use the SVN but I don't know anything about CVS
(looks like too much complex than the SVN). There is an actualized
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[1]http://www.gnome.org/~newren/tutorials/developing-with-gnome/html/ch04.html


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Hi,

2008/10/4 Rodrigo Flores <mail@rodrigoflores.org>:
> I have read how to compile the Gnome latest packages from source code
> [1] , but it looks like so old-fashioned (Gnome now is using SVN instead
> of CVS). I know how to use the SVN but I don't know anything about CVS
> (looks like too much complex than the SVN). There is an actualized
> version of this page with SVN instead of CVS ?
>

Currently the easiest way to build gnome is
http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild or
http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/ though I never tried Garnome.

Good luck,
Rui

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Instead doing it hard way, you can build Gnome from SVN using jhbuild
build tool which knows how to deal with dependencies. Find more about
jhbuild at http://library.gnome.org/devel/jhbuild/2.23/

Bye,
Goran


У суб, 04. 10 2008. у 11:56 -0300, Rodrigo Flores пише:
> 
> 
> I have read how to compile the Gnome latest packages from source code
> [1] , but it looks like so old-fashioned (Gnome now is using SVN
> instead
> of CVS). I know how to use the SVN but I don't know anything about CVS
> (looks like too much complex than the SVN). There is an actualized
> version of this page with SVN instead of CVS ?


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Thanks, but I think I will try the Gnome Developer Kit.

I have tried to use the jhbuild, but I received some compilations errors
in a simple $ jhbuild bootstrap. I think it is something with my
distribution (archlinux) and the jhbuild. 

Em Sáb, 2008-10-04 às 17:59 +0200, Goran Rakic escreveu:
> Instead doing it hard way, you can build Gnome from SVN using jhbuild
> build tool which knows how to deal with dependencies. Find more about
> jhbuild at http://library.gnome.org/devel/jhbuild/2.23/
> 
> Bye,
> Goran
> 
> 
> У суб, 04. 10 2008. у 11:56 -0300, Rodrigo Flores пише:
> > 
> > 
> > I have read how to compile the Gnome latest packages from source code
> > [1] , but it looks like so old-fashioned (Gnome now is using SVN
> > instead
> > of CVS). I know how to use the SVN but I don't know anything about CVS
> > (looks like too much complex than the SVN). There is an actualized
> > version of this page with SVN instead of CVS ?
> 
-- 
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Hey,
    There are still a couple of stragglers in the gnome-vfs to
GIO/GVFS [1] shift. Notably:

* A few rhythmbox plugins
* Minor tracts of Dasher [2] code
* Buzztard [3]
* Anjuta [4]

There are also parts of XULRunner, Inkscape. and WebkitGtk that
require porting. For those not aware of the shift, gnome-vfs, gio/GVFS
are api's to deal with file io and virtual filesystems (that's using
mounted partitions, streams, etc. as well as a wrapper over POSIX
functions). Gnome-vfs was deprecated because it was a sucky api, and
it had it's long overdue overhaul in GIO/GVFS.

To cut the story short, I wanted to register a GIO porting
"Workout"[5] (port-day) at foss.in/2008[6]. Anyone interested in
taking part?

[1] GVFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GVFS http://live.gnome.org/GioPort
[2] Dasher Alternative Text Entry: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
[3] Buzztard Music Studio: http://www.buzztard.org
[4] Anjuta C/C++ IDE : http://www.anjuta.org
[5] Workouts at foss.in/2008: http://foss.in/news/call-for-participation.html
[6] foss.in/2008: http://foss.in/


Cheers,
-- 
Arun Tejasvi Chaganty

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Hello Guys,

I would like to try to make an eog plugin.
I have never made a gnome application yet, but I'd like to start to learn.
I found this website http://live.gnome.org/EyeOfGnome/Plugins

I created the helloworld.eog-plugin and libhello.py files and saved into
/home/myname/.gnome2/eog/plugin directory.
But when I access eog -> preferences -> plugins, there is no plugins there.

Anyone knows where I can find texts about this subject? Or why the plugin
doens't appear into the plugins list?

Regards,
Bruno Grasselli.

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<div dir="ltr">Hello Guys,<br><br>I would like to try to make an eog plugin.<br>I have never made a gnome application yet, but I&#39;d like to start to learn.<br>I found this website <a href="http://live.gnome.org/EyeOfGnome/Plugins">http://live.gnome.org/EyeOfGnome/Plugins</a> <br>
<br>I created the helloworld.eog-plugin and libhello.py files and saved into /home/myname/.gnome2/eog/plugin directory.<br>But when I access eog -&gt; preferences -&gt; plugins, there is no plugins there.<br><br>Anyone knows where I can find texts about this subject? Or why the plugin doens&#39;t appear into the plugins list?<br>
<br>Regards,<br>Bruno Grasselli.<br></div>

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Hello,

At work, I'm stuck behind a proxy with a password. I then discovered that a
lot of application are not capable of handling a connection with a proxy.
Others require a specific configuration while the proxy configuration is
already available by Gnome. Last but not least, some applications use the
Gnome proxy preferences but forget to handle proxy exceptions or handle
proxy correctly only if no password is required.


The idea of my Gnome Goal proposal would be to have perfect and consistent
proxy support in the whole Gnome desktop, which is a great asset in the
corporate world.

To comply, applications should :

1) Connect seamlessly to the Internet if the proxy is configured in the
gnome proxy settings (manually configured or with a pac file).

2) Have no proxy/network preferences or, if really needed, an option enabled
by default "Use gnome/system settings"  (The only reason would be to allow
application to work without Gnome. I cannot imagine why the hell network
should be a per-application setting)

3) Connect seamlessly to the exceptions of the proxy (typical usage :
intranet website)

4) If the proxy requires a password *and* the password is not set in the
gnome-proxy-settings, then ask for it.

5) If the password is already in the gnome proxy settings, don't ask for it
(unlike Epiphany).


In order to achieve this, we could make an howto on how to set a local proxy
on your computer and, for a week or two, we will ask all Gnome developpers
to eat their own dog food and only connect through their local proxy. I'm
sure it will reveal a lot of eatches to scratch !


Do you believe it worth a Gnome Goal ? Or do you think that individual bug
reports are enough for that. ?


BTW, I'm a strong proponent of location-based proxies (thus having proxy
configuration related to the connection used in Network-Manager or, better,
having the proxy configuration directly built in N-M) but I'm not sure that
this request fit into this goal.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477040
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/173256


Thanks for reading,

Lionel

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Hello,<br><br>At work, I&#39;m stuck behind a proxy with a password. I then discovered that a lot of application are not capable of handling a connection with a proxy. Others require a specific configuration while the proxy configuration is already available by Gnome. Last but not least, some applications use the Gnome proxy preferences but forget to handle proxy exceptions or handle proxy correctly only if no password is required.<br>
<br><br>The idea of my Gnome Goal proposal would be to have perfect and consistent proxy support in the whole Gnome desktop, which is a great asset in the corporate world.<br><br>To comply, applications should :<br><br>1) Connect seamlessly to the Internet if the proxy is configured in the gnome proxy settings (manually configured or with a pac file).<br>
<br>2) Have no proxy/network preferences or, if really needed, an option enabled by default &quot;Use gnome/system settings&quot;&nbsp; (The only reason would be to allow application to work without Gnome. I cannot imagine why the hell network should be a per-application setting)<br>
<br>3) Connect seamlessly to the exceptions of the proxy (typical usage : intranet website)<br><br>4) If the proxy requires a password *and* the password is not set in the gnome-proxy-settings, then ask for it.<br><br>5) If the password is already in the gnome proxy settings, don&#39;t ask for it (unlike Epiphany).<br>
<br><br>In order to achieve this, we could make an howto on how to set a local proxy on your computer and, for a week or two, we will ask all Gnome developpers to eat their own dog food and only connect through their local proxy. I&#39;m sure it will reveal a lot of eatches to scratch !<br>
<br><br>Do you believe it worth a Gnome Goal ? Or do you think that individual bug reports are enough for that. ?<br><br><br>BTW, I&#39;m a strong proponent of location-based proxies (thus having proxy configuration related to the connection used in Network-Manager or, better, having the proxy configuration directly built in N-M) but I&#39;m not sure that this request fit into this goal.<br>
<a href="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477040">http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477040</a><br><a href="https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/173256">https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/173256</a><br>
<br><br>Thanks for reading, <br><br>Lionel<br>

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On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 15:58 +0100, Lionel Dricot wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> At work, I'm stuck behind a proxy with a password. I then discovered
> that a lot of application are not capable of handling a connection
> with a proxy. Others require a specific configuration while the proxy
> configuration is already available by Gnome. Last but not least, some
> applications use the Gnome proxy preferences but forget to handle
> proxy exceptions or handle proxy correctly only if no password is
> required.
> 
> 
> The idea of my Gnome Goal proposal would be to have perfect and
> consistent proxy support in the whole Gnome desktop, which is a great
> asset in the corporate world.
> 
> To comply, applications should :
> 
> 1) Connect seamlessly to the Internet if the proxy is configured in
> the gnome proxy settings (manually configured or with a pac file).
> 
> 2) Have no proxy/network preferences or, if really needed, an option
> enabled by default "Use gnome/system settings"  (The only reason would
> be to allow application to work without Gnome. I cannot imagine why
> the hell network should be a per-application setting)
> 
> 3) Connect seamlessly to the exceptions of the proxy (typical usage :
> intranet website)
> 
> 4) If the proxy requires a password *and* the password is not set in
> the gnome-proxy-settings, then ask for it.
> 
> 5) If the password is already in the gnome proxy settings, don't ask
> for it (unlike Epiphany).
> 
> 
> In order to achieve this, we could make an howto on how to set a local
> proxy on your computer and, for a week or two, we will ask all Gnome
> developpers to eat their own dog food and only connect through their
> local proxy. I'm sure it will reveal a lot of eatches to scratch !
> 
> 
> Do you believe it worth a Gnome Goal ? Or do you think that individual
> bug reports are enough for that. ?
> 
it is indeed a very nice goal, but if every app using the network needs
to do all this, the situation is going to continue as it is today :-) So
it would be great if there was an API for every app to use, which would
just use/not use the proxy settings and authenticate if needed, all done
"automagically" behind the scenes.

> 
> BTW, I'm a strong proponent of location-based proxies (thus having
> proxy configuration related to the connection used in Network-Manager
> or, better, having the proxy configuration directly built in N-M) but
> I'm not sure that this request fit into this goal.
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477040
> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/173256
> 
I also think NM is the place to have this, but not all distros use it
AFAIK, so we can't really rely on that. But yes, it would make much more
sense to have all the proxy config related to the current NM
connection. 
-- 
Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@gnome-db.org>


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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:58:02PM +0100, Lionel Dricot wrote:
> At work, I'm stuck behind a proxy with a password. I then discovered that a
> lot of application are not capable of handling a connection with a proxy.
> Others require a specific configuration while the proxy configuration is
> already available by Gnome. Last but not least, some applications use the
> Gnome proxy preferences but forget to handle proxy exceptions or handle
> proxy correctly only if no password is required.

'some applications' is a bit vague. Are these part of GNOME, meaning,
listed on http://www.gnome.org/start/unstable ?

> The idea of my Gnome Goal proposal would be to have perfect and consistent
> proxy support in the whole Gnome desktop, which is a great asset in the
> corporate world.

That is not the purpose of a GNOME goal. A goal must be a change which
could be implemented easily across a lot of modules. I don't think
adding proxy support fits with that.

Also, proxy is a bit vague. What does it do, socks or just http?

> 4) If the proxy requires a password *and* the password is not set in the
> gnome-proxy-settings, then ask for it.

We have gnome-keyring for passwords.

> 5) If the password is already in the gnome proxy settings, don't ask for it
> (unlike Epiphany).

File a bug for that.

> In order to achieve this, we could make an howto on how to set a local proxy
> on your computer and, for a week or two, we will ask all Gnome developpers
> to eat their own dog food and only connect through their local proxy. I'm
> sure it will reveal a lot of eatches to scratch !

I don't think that'll work. Better to test every application and report
bugs.

> Do you believe it worth a Gnome Goal ? Or do you think that individual bug
> reports are enough for that. ?

Not exactly sure if it is a 'bug' or more a request for enhancement.
Anyway, bugs aren't solved because they're filed. However, don't think
it is a 'goal' as intended with the GNOME goal wiki site.


There is a proposal for libproxy, but it only handles the configuration,
not the actual proxy. Also saw something on the wiki regarding GProxy.

-- 
Regards,
Olav

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At work, I'm stuck behind a proxy with a password. I then discovered
that a lot of application are not capable of handling a connection
with a proxy. Others require a specific configuration while the proxy
configuration is already available by Gnome. Last but not least, some
applications use the Gnome proxy preferences but forget to handle
proxy exceptions or handle proxy correctly only if no password is
required.


The idea of my Gnome Goal proposal would be to have perfect and
consistent proxy support in the whole Gnome desktop, which is a great
asset in the corporate world.

Do you believe it worth a Gnome Goal ? Or do you think that individual
bug reports are enough for that. ?</pre>
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  <pre wrap=3D""><!----> is indeed a very nice goal, but if every app usi=
ng the network needs
to do all this, the situation is going to continue as it is today :-) So
it would be great if there was an API for every app to use, which would
just use/not use the proxy settings and authenticate if needed, all done
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</blockquote>
I think there's a conversation[1] underway[2] about inclusion of
libproxy[3] as a dependency for 2.26 -- and I agree that it's a worthy
goal (although I don't know what would make it a Goal, if you see what
I mean).<br>
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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Olav Vitters <olav@bkor.dhs.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:58:02PM +0100, Lionel Dricot wrote:
>
> > Do you believe it worth a Gnome Goal ? Or do you think that individual
> bug
> > reports are enough for that. ?
>
> Not exactly sure if it is a 'bug' or more a request for enhancement.
> Anyway, bugs aren't solved because they're filed. However, don't think
> it is a 'goal' as intended with the GNOME goal wiki site.
>
> Enhancement... It looks like you are not using a proxy. When you are forced
to use one and that most applications behave in strange ways (or doesn't
work as expected), it's definitely a bug.  But you cannot understand if you
don't use a proxy.

A few years ago, I had never used a proxy. I developped a little application
for Gnome with no proxy support. I received a patch. I marked the bug as
"enhancement" and it tooks me a while to get it included. Because I had no
idea. Now that I'm using a proxy at work, I realize that my application was
completely unusable behind a proxy. That's for the little story. I really
think good proxy support is an huge asset. (and given the fact the proxy
support in Windows is a shame, it's one more strong point for us in the
corporate world) but not proxy support at all is a bug (and an important
one).

Anyway, if I'm 100% sure that we need good proxy support, I don't know if it
worth a Gnome Goal, that's why I'm asking for advices here. And thank you
(and all others) for your replies, it's really interesting.


Regards,

Lionel

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@bkor.dhs.org">olav@bkor.dhs.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:58:02PM +0100, Lionel Dricot wrote:<br><br>
</div>&gt; Do you believe it worth a Gnome Goal ? Or do you think that individual bug<br><div class="Ih2E3d">
&gt; reports are enough for that. ?<br>
<br>
</div>Not exactly sure if it is a &#39;bug&#39; or more a request for enhancement.<br>
Anyway, bugs aren&#39;t solved because they&#39;re filed. However, don&#39;t think<br>
it is a &#39;goal&#39; as intended with the GNOME goal wiki site.<br>
<br></blockquote></div>Enhancement... It looks like you are not using a proxy. When you are forced to use one and that most applications behave in strange ways (or doesn&#39;t work as expected), it&#39;s definitely a bug.&nbsp; But you cannot understand if you don&#39;t use a proxy.<br>
<br>A few years ago, I had never used a proxy. I developped a little application for Gnome with no proxy support. I received a patch. I marked the bug as &quot;enhancement&quot; and it tooks me a while to get it included. Because I had no idea. Now that I&#39;m using a proxy at work, I realize that my application was completely unusable behind a proxy. That&#39;s for the little story. I really think good proxy support is an huge asset. (and given the fact the proxy support in Windows is a shame, it&#39;s one more strong point for us in the corporate world) but not proxy support at all is a bug (and an important one).<br>
<br>Anyway, if I&#39;m 100% sure that we need good proxy support, I don&#39;t know if it worth a Gnome Goal, that&#39;s why I&#39;m asking for advices here. And thank you (and all others) for your replies, it&#39;s really interesting.<br>
<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Lionel<br>

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On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:33:37AM +0100, Lionel Dricot wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Olav Vitters <olav@bkor.dhs.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:58:02PM +0100, Lionel Dricot wrote:
> >
> > > Do you believe it worth a Gnome Goal ? Or do you think that individual
> > bug
> > > reports are enough for that. ?
> >
> > Not exactly sure if it is a 'bug' or more a request for enhancement.
> > Anyway, bugs aren't solved because they're filed. However, don't think
> > it is a 'goal' as intended with the GNOME goal wiki site.
> >
> > Enhancement... It looks like you are not using a proxy. When you are forced
> to use one and that most applications behave in strange ways (or doesn't
> work as expected), it's definitely a bug.  But you cannot understand if you
> don't use a proxy.
> 
> A few years ago, I had never used a proxy. I developped a little application
> for Gnome with no proxy support. I received a patch. I marked the bug as
> "enhancement" and it tooks me a while to get it included. Because I had no
> idea. Now that I'm using a proxy at work, I realize that my application was
> completely unusable behind a proxy. That's for the little story. I really
> think good proxy support is an huge asset. (and given the fact the proxy
> support in Windows is a shame, it's one more strong point for us in the
> corporate world) but not proxy support at all is a bug (and an important
> one).
> 
> Anyway, if I'm 100% sure that we need good proxy support, I don't know if it
> worth a Gnome Goal, that's why I'm asking for advices here. And thank you
> (and all others) for your replies, it's really interesting.

What I meant with GNOME goal as on the wiki site is that it is focused
on small changes which can be done by developers not intimately familiar
with a module. IMO proxy support really requires a knowledgeable person.
If you look at the existing GNOME goals, they're usually pretty easy.

So I agree we should have proxy support. Ok with investigating how to
improve it. However, I am not sure if it can be a GNOME goal as
described above.

This doesn't mean I think it isn't worthy of support, just that proxy
support is more difficult. The lack of proxy support should just be
fixed though. No idea what is the best way etc.

Perhaps best to start with a few modules, file some bugs.

-- 
Regards,
Olav

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Hi Bruno,

Have you tried following the other steps on that page?  Did you configure
and install the eog-plugins package from svn?  Did you try setting up the
postr plugin?  You need the eog-dev package and postr packages.. THEN make
and install the eog-plugins source.

When you run ./autoconfigure.sh, pay attention to the messages - especially
the "Configure Summary" at the end.

I just followed the steps and got the postr plugin installed, so it *does*
work, but it may require reading the output of the commands fairly
carefully.  :)

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Bruno Grasselli
<bruno.grasselli@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Guys,
>
> I would like to try to make an eog plugin.
> I have never made a gnome application yet, but I'd like to start to learn.
> I found this website http://live.gnome.org/EyeOfGnome/Plugins
>
> I created the helloworld.eog-plugin and libhello.py files and saved into
> /home/myname/.gnome2/eog/plugin directory.
> But when I access eog -> preferences -> plugins, there is no plugins there.
>
> Anyone knows where I can find texts about this subject? Or why the plugin
> doens't appear into the plugins list?
>
> Regards,
> Bruno Grasselli.
>
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Hi Bruno,<br><br>Have you tried following the other steps on that page?&nbsp; Did you configure and install the eog-plugins package from svn?&nbsp; Did you try setting up the postr plugin?&nbsp; You need the eog-dev package and postr packages.. THEN make and install the eog-plugins source.<br>
<br>When you run ./autoconfigure.sh, pay attention to the messages - especially the &quot;Configure Summary&quot; at the end.&nbsp; <br><br>I just followed the steps and got the postr plugin installed, so it *does* work, but it may require reading the output of the commands fairly carefully.&nbsp; :)<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Bruno Grasselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bruno.grasselli@gmail.com">bruno.grasselli@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">Hello Guys,<br><br>I would like to try to make an eog plugin.<br>I have never made a gnome application yet, but I&#39;d like to start to learn.<br>I found this website <a href="http://live.gnome.org/EyeOfGnome/Plugins" target="_blank">http://live.gnome.org/EyeOfGnome/Plugins</a> <br>

<br>I created the helloworld.eog-plugin and libhello.py files and saved into /home/myname/.gnome2/eog/plugin directory.<br>But when I access eog -&gt; preferences -&gt; plugins, there is no plugins there.<br><br>Anyone knows where I can find texts about this subject? Or why the plugin doens&#39;t appear into the plugins list?<br>

<br>Regards,<br>Bruno Grasselli.<br></div>
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