Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

[Dokuro <dario soto gmail com>]

I don't know if there is a widget that holds launcher icons on a
gnome's (top/bottom) bar, if there is the solution relies in using it,
that way all the launchers would not be moved from their position on a
resize (since the hole container is the one being moved), launchers
that are just added with no special place would have to be all around
on a resize

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Simos
Xenitellis<simos lists googlemail com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Andy
> Owen<andy-gnome-usability ultra-premium com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 19:08 -0700, Jim March wrote:
>>> My laptop runs 1280x800 resolution.  I just ran an app that seems to
>>> have re-sized me a lot smaller while it was running - 800x600 at a
>>> guess.  When I came back out, resolution went back to normal but my
>>> panel is absolutely scrambled to hell and gone.
>>
>> Is this the bug?
>>
>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492315
>>
>> That seems like the closest I can find to it on bugzilla... so if that
>> isn't it, then a much more constructive way of getting it looked at
>> would be to create a bug report. Or add any related information to that
>> bug report, if it is describing the same thing.
>>
>>>
>>> PLEASE, for the love of God, there has to be a fix for this?  It's
>>> intolerable.  And after three years that I know of and likely over
>>> double that with this insane glitch, there's just no excuse.
>>
>> We all have our own frustrations. Obviously this bug isn't intolerable,
>> because plenty of people tolerate it (or are like me and don't even
>> realise it exists). What I would suggest as a better way of getting it
>> fixed is to take your request to the right people. I don't think the
>> usability list is a great place for bug reports (e.g. if your mouse
>> doesn't work, although that is a bit of a usability problem, this list
>> probably isn't going to be much help).
>>
>> Bugzilla is the best way to start out. Otherwise, you might be able to
>> catch a developer on irc and if you are extra nice to them, maybe they
>> will hear your plea and take some time to fix it for you. But just
>> remember that this is probably not a bug that affects them, since
>> otherwise they would have fixed it already.
>>
>> When I think about the problem, it is somewhat tricky, in that there are
>> some corner cases which are tough to figure out. For example, what if
>> your panel is really full, and you bump the resolution down? What if you
>> change resolution from A to B to C and back to A. Should this return all
>> your icons to exactly the same spot? What about if you go from A to B,
>> move an icon, then back to A? Answering these questions comprehensively
>> is difficult, even if your intuition says that it is obvious.
>>
>
> The way to push this forward is to contribute something towards the
> relevant bug report.
> A contribution that Jim could make is to describe verbosely what
> behaviour should be expected
> for the cases that you describe above. This can initiate discussion,
> lead to agreement and a developer
> can take up and implement.
>
> I have been hit by this bug as well. It's sadly common when you have
> dual head configurations,
> where the size of the external monitor is smaller. When the panel gets
> crowded, you cannot move it to another
> screen; there is no free space on the panel so that you drag it
> around. How can we solve this issue in usability terms?
>
> Simos
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