On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 13:50 +0200, Hans Martin wrote: > Hi, > > I understand now more the purpose of cheese. I just thought that > other applications already exist for that purpose. E.g. kino for > video effects, e.g. gimp for photo effects. What makes cheese > different from gimp and kino is the "live" view. And this makes > it somehow attractive to use it for funny video phone calls etc. > Just imagine phoning your mom with the "hulk" effect... > > Speaking of UNIX philosophy: One tool for one task, right, but > also: pipelines to make the tools work together! > > $ cat /dev/webcam | cheese | amsn/ekiga/pidgin hmm.. no, i would think more of something like webcam -> gstreamer -> telepathy/cheese/pidgin/... i mean, there is no reason to build something on the top of gstreamer, if gstreamer already is able to handle those things, no? daniel > > (Btw. unfortunately, pidgin does not yet feature video, so I > don't use it, pidgin does not support MSN, but SIP, and amsn > does not use gstreamer, AFAIK.) > > Again, thanks for the cheese! > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:35:49 +0200 > > Von: "daniel g. siegel" <dgsiegel gmail com> > > > > he ;) i never heard something like that since i started developing.. > > > > i totally like that you tell us whats missing from your point of view. > > and probably you are right in your special use case. but i can tell you, > > that there are some people, who are actually using cheese to do some > > things. > > > > you probably also know the unix philosophy "one tool for one task". > > well.. sure, you can use kino, use gstreamer directly from the terminal, > > and a lot of other things. but think about people, who are not > > professional users. they love to have a small app, to do some things, > > e.g. take a picture of their child and send it to their mom, have fun > > taking photos with some effects and so on. > > > > when you are using kino to take a photo of yourself, youre somehow using > > a ferrari to drive up a mountain. again: cheese isnt perfect at the > > moment, integration in the desktop is quite bad, but we are getting > > closer and just want to provide a program you can use for the "fun" side > > of your life. > > > > to the "online" part: using some cool effects for voip or other streams. > > just awesome ;) BUT, do not forget, that we are an application which is > > resting on gstreamer. we are using gstreamer to get a picture from the > > camera on the screen, we are using gstreamer elements to apply effects. > > so i am asking you: why should someone build upon cheese, while we > > already have something we could use? everything would be there, to have > > the same effects in empathy, ... > > > > what we actually plan to do is to enhance gstreamer for better effects. > > if that step is done, every application, which rests on gstreamer could > > use that. sounds like a plan? > > > > daniel > > > > On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 21:06 +0200, Hans Martin wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I recently discoverd cheese. (Sorry for being unillumined for > > > so long, but cheese is not yet in my preferred distribution, > > > not even in "experimental".) > > > > > > I like cheese, but - without any offence - I fail to see the > > > point. If I understand correctly, I cannot use the video > > > effects of cheese for e.g. amsn (which I use because pidgin > > > does not support webcams and my "other end" uses MSN anyway). > > > > > > If cheese is meant for "offline" use, I fail to see the point > > > again, as I can already capture from the camera and apply > > > effects on the video using "kino" or "avidemux". > > > > > > I think, cheese would really be cool, if one could feed the > > > effects somehow into amsn (or ekiga, or someday distant > > > pidgin-with-webcam-support), but without this possibility, > > > I'm not sure, what it is good for. Yes, I have fun with > > > cheese, but I would like to share the fun :~) > > > > > > Is there a way to do this? Or is it planned? > > > > > > Cheers and thanks for the cheese despite my criticism! > > > > > -- > > this mail was sent using 100% recycled electrons > > ================================================ > > daniel g. siegel <dgsiegel gmail com> > > http://home.cs.tum.edu/~siegel > > gnupg key id: 0x6EEC9E62 > > fingerprint: DE5B 1F64 9034 1FB6 E120 DE10 268D AFD5 6EEC 9E62 > > encrypted email preferred > -- this mail was sent using 100% recycled electrons ================================================ daniel g. siegel <dgsiegel gmail com> http://home.cs.tum.edu/~siegel gnupg key id: 0x6EEC9E62 fingerprint: DE5B 1F64 9034 1FB6 E120 DE10 268D AFD5 6EEC 9E62 encrypted email preferred
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