Re: gnome-panel & gnome-applets?

[Dave Neary <dneary gnome org>]

Hi Jon,

I'm confused...

William Jon McCann wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz gnome org> wrote:
>> Sure, it's not our priority nor target, in terms of development (and it
>> shouldn't be). But to a lot of people, "fallback" means "you'll get some
>> ugly stuff that barely works", and while I do think we want to push
>> people to use GNOME Shell, there's no reason to make users who can't
>> use it feel second-class GNOME users.
> 
> It is second class I don't think there is any point in whitewashing
> it.  Whether or not you get something that barely works has everything
> to do with how much attention it gets in design, development, and
> testing.  If you want to use something for a fallback that won't
> really get any of those three it had better be simple as hell.  And
> ban any complexity that does not provide essential functionality.

Last week I got the impression that you were proposing the removal of
gnome-applets (and Orca) because of a lack of manpower required to bring
them up to GNOME 3.0 standard and port to GTK+ 3.

But now I have the impression that even if some people stepped up with a
plan to bring applets to the fallback mode that you would be opposed to
including this work.

Is this a manpower issue, or a design issue?

I feel like distributors' decision to ship GNOME 3 or not in their
post-March releases will depend on how the experience degrades for 2D
only users (and I am convinced there are many more of these than this
thread suggests). Your advice to "stick with GNOME 2.32 if you don't
want the GNOME 3 experience" may well be the advice that a number of
distributions take, for fear of alienating part of their user base.

Cheers,
Dave.

-- 
Dave Neary
GNOME Foundation member
dneary gnome org