[Epiphany] Re: Menu Cleanup

[Nikolai Weibull <lone-star home se>]

* Christian Persch <chpe@stud.uni-saarland.de> [Sep, 10 2003 20:40]:
> I do; and apparently other people do too
> [http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119183].
Oh well, at least I tried ;-).  For those of you who use this, isn't it
simpler to simply copy the text from the url-bar (from the fancy
Edit->Copy menu item if not right-clickable) and then paste it into a
mail?  Then you could perhaps even add a description after it in the
mail?  Having a whole menu item for such a simple thing to do by hand
seems overkill to me.  
>
> >   Edit
> >     Cut
> >     Copy
> >     Paste
> >         - again, who ever uses this?
> >           these are here because most editing software
> >           have such menu items.  a browser isn't an editor
> >           very often.  maybe it's useful for forms editing,
> >           yet cluttering the menus with three menu items
> >           for this?
>
> They are [well, currently not, but that's a bug
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112243] available from context
> menus, but iirc for a11y reasons every action has to be available by
> some non-right-click-menu means too. Having them in the main menu makes
> them discoverable, too.
Yeah, I was going to comment on the right-click a11y but forgot, sorry.
I guess that is the strongest point for keeping them.
I find having a lot of seemingly rather useless, or not often used menu
items decrease discoverability for more important or usefull ones.
Agreed that having them conforms with basically every other GUI
application, but it just seems so unnatural to me to have menu items for
a task that can't (generally) be performed on the document of the
application (i.e. viewing web pages as documents).
If they are useful in forms can also be debated I guess:
having to move from the input field in the middle of the document/screen
to the menu bar and select Cut/Copy/Paste is very inefficient and anyone
with RSI would probably not to do it.  Of course, they could be accessed
through the keyboard (Alt-E and then T, C, or P), but Ctrl-X/C/V (which
only makes sense if you use a QWERTY keyboard) is a lot easier in that
case.
>
[blurb about View->Encoding menu]
> Some documents don't specify any encoding, or a wrong one, so you must
> be able to override it.
Hopefully, one day, UTF-8 will be universal.
> But i agree that the encodings menu needs improvement. I plan to redo
> it for 1.2, probably by making it offer only a short list of
> often-selected and relevant encodings, and having a "More..." item
> which will bring up a dialogue to select from the complete set. I plan
> to send a proposal about this to the mailinglist soon.
OK, great!
>
[Go->Home complaints]
> I use it to clear the current tab. [My homepage is set to blank page.]
OK, so its basically a menu item for nifty tricks? ;-)
If this is its best use, shouldn't it be called Clear URL Input and be
under the Edit top-level menu?
Or better yet, X11's selection heuristics gets fixed once and for all,
universally, and we don't have to worry about selecting text in the URL
bar and losing our important selection.  Rant, rant, rant.
> Sidebar?? I seriously don't think epiphany will have a sidebar, ever.
Oh, I thought it was being discussed.  Sorry, must have misinterpreted.
Well, that's good news at least ;-),
	nikolai

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