Re: [Geary] "Always watch for new mail" preference: better alternatives?

[Federico Bruni <fede inventati org>]

I put the list back in Cc.
I like your proposal at the bottom of the email.


Il giorno gio 4 gen 2018 alle 4:42, Michael Gratton <mike vee net> ha 
scritto:
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Federico Bruni <fede inventati org> 
> wrote:
> > Il giorno sab 16 dic 2017 alle 4:50, Michael Gratton <mike vee net> 
> > ha scritto:
> > > NB there's some historical discussion of this at: 
> > > <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742244>
> >
> > Ok, I'll add a link to this discussion.
>
> Ta!
>
> > > Although the help text doesn't mention it, the whole point of the 
> > > pref is basically to make sure you get desktop notifications of 
> > > new mail pop up, even when the main window is not open. So I 
> > > think any improvement should at least mention notifications.
> >
> > Definitely. But I'm not sure that this is how really works.
> > I remember I used that preference for a while maybe last year and I 
> > did not receive any notification. Perhaps I checked only "watch for 
> > new mail" and not "Show notifications of new mail"? That would mean 
> > that to have notifications in background you need to check also the 
> > other preference. I can't remember if Notifications settings were 
> > already present in older versions of GNOME (3.24 or 3.22).
>
> Yeah, I do now agree that mentioning notifications in the pref's text 
> is a bad idea, since it depends on another Geary pref and your 
> desktop settings to actually make notifications show up.
>
> > For me the purpose of "always watch for new mail" was downloading 
> > messages while I was doing something else, so when I opened Geary I 
> > didn't have to wait for the sync and I could start reading right 
> > away.
> > I have the feeling that this may be the main feature to offer, and 
> > leave the other options (launch at login, notifications) handled by 
> > the desktop as in any other app. No overlap of configurations: if I 
> > can enable/disable the same configuration in two different places, 
> > it's going to be a mess.
>
> Yep, I tend to agree with this as well.
>
> > This is what I would describe as:
> > Preference: "Keep downloading new mail after quitting"
> > Tooltip: "Geary will keep running in background when closed (new 
> > mail ready to be read right away)"
>
> Since "Keep downloading new mail" might not be true in some glorious 
> future where we don't always download a complete message when it 
> arrives, and since "after quitting" doesn't implicitly cover when 
> people simply close the main window, I'd suggest a more succinct 
> version:
>
> Preference: Watch for new mail when closed
> Tooltip: Geary will keep running after quitting or all windows are 
> closed
>
> Another thought: Maybe the Quit app menu item should be replaced with 
> Close when this pref is enabled, then we don't even need to include 
> the text "quitting or" in the tooltip.
>
> What do people think?
>
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