Re: [Gimp-developer] Plans to resolve hotkey conflicts?

[Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com>]

By the way,

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 12:30 PM, C R <cajhne gmail com> wrote:
> however could you fix the ones I've highlighted?

You should open bug reports. I don't have time (or the will) to do
this just now, and I will have forgotten about this in a few hours
(and in a few days, this email will be lost in the bottom of my
mailbox).
If you want bugs to leave a trace and not be forgotten, you should
open bug reports. They can then also be dealt by other developers (not
only me) later on so you improve chances of seeing this being taken
care of.

Thanks.

Jehan

> Thanks.
> -C
>
>
> On 17 Dec 2016 4:38 am, "Jehan Pagès" <jehan marmottard gmail com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:10 AM, C R <cajhne gmail com> wrote:
> > > Thanks Alex.
> > >
> > > And I'm still getting overlaping hotkeys with:
> >
> > Ok so it seems you are talking of something different from what
> > Alexandre linked. This commit was about duplicate shortcuts. You are
> > talking about what GTK+ calls "mnemonics", which is this underlined
> > character on menu items or buttons. This commit did indeed nothing
> > related to mnemonics.
> >
> > I don't really know what is the deal with mnemonics because that's a
> > real mess by design. Indeed having duplicated mnemonics is hard to
> > check since a same action can be used in various contexts (different
> > menus, dialogs…). In one case, it may be fine, but in others, it
> > won't.
> >
> > I think I read someone saying that maybe GTK+ would be getting away
> > from mnemonics in the long run but I can't find any actual reference
> > to this (apart from the fact that it is not possible to see them by
> > default in GTK+3 apparently, without pressing Alt). So I don't know.
> >
> > > s - Hue/Saturation, Colourise
> >
> > That's another case which shows the problem with mnemonics: by
> > default, the label is "Colori_ze" (with a mnemonic on 'z'), but the
> > translator changed it to 's' (obviously you are using UK English). So
> > there is no conflicts in US English, but there is one in UK English.
> > This is too much of a burden on translators to be able to change
> > mnemonics (so should they be expected to check every place where they
> > are used, as well as developers?).
> >
> > Anyway I don't really have good answers for you. You can try and open
> > bug reports for the conflicts you find and we'll try to fix them. But
> > we likely won't be 100% sure that we won't create new mnemonics
> > conflicts somewhere else by fixing them in this specific menu. And the
> > ones on translated strings will be even more annoying. Maybe we should
> > ask translators to not change mnemonics even when the translation does
> > not have the letter? (they would add a "(z)" at the end of the string.
> > That's what they do in languages with indirect input like Japanese,
> > though it could feel like a stepback for a lang such as UK English)
> >
> > Jehan
> >
> > > e - Desaturate, Color Temperature
> > > x - Exposure, Retinex
> > >
> > > I'm running the gimp-edge repo.
> > > The current one is:
> > > gimp 2.9.5~58-0y0~ppa~9f15ad6
> > >
> > > It also seems there is a bug that forces the user to press the over
> > > arrow to access the hotkeys for sub-menus.
> > > For example, the key combination alt+c > e > d should call up the
> > > desaturate dialog, but the user must use this combination instead:
> > > alt+c > e > right arrow > d.
> > >
> > > Is this possibly a GTK bug?
> > > All the styling on the new menus looks great btw.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > -C
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
> > > <alexandre prokoudine gmail com> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:46 AM, C R wrote:
> > > > > The Colour menu has again become a mess of conflicting hotkeys.
> > > > > Can someone reassign/resolve them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably a good idea to get rid of some of the duplicate functions
> > > > > like "drop shadow" and the proliferation of duplicate desaturate
> > > > > actions. :)
> > > >
> > > > Done three weeks ago:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=2a232398c4ad5a3108b5ad75be7bc8ef5d98e6fb
> > > >
> > > > Alex
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