Re: [g-a-devel] a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

Hi Francesco:

You're welcome!  Thanks for your work on MouseTweaks.  :-)

The module proposing guidelines are here, with the main timeframes being 
listed under the "Decision Making" section: 
http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleProposing (the 2.22 schedule 
is here: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyone).  It looks like Gerd 
is on top of a fair amount of this, and I suspect one bottleneck right 
now is getting someone set up with a GNOME SVN account and an SVN home 
for the source.  Information about GNOME SVN can be found here: 
http://svn.gnome.org/.

For development purposes, I think the main thing you need to do is track 
down the people who've commented on your proposal (the thread starts 
with 
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2007-September/msg00489.html) 
and work to come to a resolution with them.  If you need help with the 
HIG work, I can ask one of our friendly Sun folks if they have time to 
take a look.

Will

Francesco Fumanti wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> First of all, I would like to thanks all the people that participated 
> in the discussion of MouseTweaks during the accessibility summit, and 
> especially those that made it possible to have it demoed during that 
> event.
>
>
> At 2:24 PM -0400 10/8/07, Willie Walker wrote:
> > We discussed MouseTweaks at the summit at think it definitely looks 
> > like it provides great functionality for the intended users. Overall, 
> > we support the module proposal, though we also recommend working with 
> > the GNOME Usablity folks (http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/) 
> > on any user interface improvements that would make its configuration 
> > and use better for the target user base.  When working with them, I 
> > think it will be very important to remind them who the target users 
> > are and what the typical user interaction model will be.
>
> Do I get it right? Does the fact, that you support the module 
> proposal, mean that the aim is to ship it with the next GNOME release 
> (GNOME 2.22)?
>
> If so, could you please tell me what are the steps that MouseTweaks 
> will have to do in order to get it into GNOME, and especially the date 
> limits for each step? (Telling me where I can find that information 
> may also suffice.)
>
>
> I will very soon begin the discussion with the people of GUP in order 
> to get a user interface that corresponds more to the HIG of GNOME.
>
> But do we have to host MouseTweaks on GNOME's site to get it shipped 
> with GNOME?
>
> What about the versioning scheme? Currently MouseTweaks is at version 
> 0.2.2. Do we have to adapt it to the GNOME version; in other words 
> change it to mousetweaks-2.21.n?
>
> Do we have to submit the source to a build system in some determined 
> format?
>
>
> Sorry if my questions may be a bit basic, but I am new to this.
>
>
>
> > As an aside, did you give consideration to making the mouse handling 
> > portions of this an X Server Extension?  The reason I ask is that 
> > when developing AccessX many years ago, we originally did it as a 
> > client instead of an extension.  At the time, we were encouraged to 
> > merge with the XKB Server Extension.  We did that, and the result is 
> > that AccessX functionality pretty much ubiquitous now (yeah!). Times 
> > were different back then, however.  Today, it seems like getting an X 
> > Server Extension accepted and deployed might be more arduous and take 
> > a bit longer.  So, if MouseTweaks works great as a client-only 
> > solution, then perhaps the server extension idea is not that important.
>
> Yes, the ideal would have been to implement it directly into X and I 
> have been told that this was also adressed. But it has been decided to 
> develop it as a client mainly for two reasons:
> - the development took place as a GSoC 2007 project for ubuntu and it 
> was the more direct way to get to the users
> - the developer (who will continue to do the necessary coding) did not 
> have the necessary knowledge to develop it as an X server extension. 
> (to be complete, nor do I)
>
>
> Of course, if some day, the fonctionalities provided by mousetweaks 
> will be available directly from X, that would probably be better as 
> they would be "pretty much ubiquitous". (to quote your words ;)  )
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Francesco