Re: Questions and suggestions.

[Thomas Ward <tward1978 earthlink net>]

Hi, Bill.
That makes sense now that you have explained why the mouse functionality 
is different. However, I would still like more ability just to review the 
screen as a whole to get a feeling for the window.
Flat review seams to allow me to do this line by line, but being able to 
use flat review to get the spelling of words and so on would be a vary 
nice feature as well.
What I like to use flat review for is leave my focus on a certain control 
or at a certain place and a document and use flat review to explore around 
that area with flat review.
A couple of cases where this would be helpful happened today while 
installing Staroffice.
Staroffice was trying to get me to accept the license, and it took me 
several minutes to figure out where the checkbox was to agree to it, and 
continue the install.
Another case was that when I was on the screen where it asks for name, 
country, state, etc gnopernicus was announcing the wrong fields. It would 
say country when I was really on state.



On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Bill Haneman wrote:

> Thanks Thomas, for your very useful suggestions.
> 
> With regard to the use of the mouse, I would point out that actually 
> moving and clicking the mouse in gnopernicus is not the "preferred" way 
> of moving within the GUI.  In GNOME (and Java, StarOffice, Mozilla, 
> etc.) we have a direct "activation" API which can be used to interact 
> with user interface components without simulating mouse clicks or the 
> like.  In GNOME we have the clear goal of making all applications fully 
> keyboard navigable.  Of course there will always be bugs and 
> applications which aren't totally compliant, so gnopernicus does include 
> some "interact with the mouse" functionality, in particular in 
> association with the braille sensors, but this is intended only as a 
> workaround for badly-behaved applications.
> 
> I am not sure what the gnopernicus commands for 'activating the 
> currently selected component', etc. are - the BAUM team can help you 
> more in that respect.
> 
> best regards,
> 
> Bill
> 
> Thomas D. Ward wrote:
> 
> >Hello. I've got some questions and some suggestions about gnopernicus which
> >I would like to address here.
> >
> >The first area deals with some concerns I have about editing and reading
> >documents in gedit and other editors.
> >When using the standard curser keys when gnopernicus encounters an empty
> >line it says nothing. However, if you use numpad in flat review mode
> >gnopernicus will announce empty line when a empty line is encountered. It
> >would be extremely helpful in editing documents when gnopernicus encounters
> >an empty line weather someone is using the standard curser keys or flat
> >review from the numpad to announce if an empty line is there or not rather
> >than saying nothing.
> >The second issue is reading large portions of a document. As it currently
> >stands I've only been able to read a large document in gedit line by line.
> >Is there a command, or plans to make a command which will read documents a
> >full page at a time.  It would also be vary helpful to have a command that
> >will read the entire document all the way to the end.
> >
> >The next concern I have is about navigating through table lists.
> >When arrowing through a table list Gnopernicus says table line every single
> >time I arrow up or down in the list before announcing what the item is that
> >the curser is pointing at. This really slows me down, because I have to wait
> >for gnopernicus to say table line file1.txt, table line file2.txt, table
> >line file3.txt. I'd rather just be able to turn that message off so I can
> >just here file1.txt, file2.txt, etc... If there is a way to turn the message
> >off please let me know.
> >Initially, I also found the table line message extremely confusing. Many
> >new-comers to Gnome like myself would identify better with a message such as
> >list item file1.txt rather than table line file1.txt.
> >
> >
> >I've also got some ideas about flat review mode. I think flat review mode
> >really needs some functionality added to it, and that it can be much more
> >powerful than it is currently.
> >At present when activating flat review mode in a dialog box or in a message
> >in balsa all I can do is to use the 8 and the 2 key on the numpad to read
> >line by line through the information on the screen.  It would be vary nice
> >to be able to move word by word across the screen and character by
> >character. Especially, when reading emails I have dificulty finding out the
> >spelling of a word or read by character through a web address. Flat review
> >mode could use some more work to make navigation more powerful.
> >
> >I'm having serious problems using the mouse keys in gnopernicus. I think
> >allot of it has to do with the differences in how WindowEyes for MS Windows
> >handles the mouse and how Gnopernicus does it. In WE the 1, 3, 7, and 9
> >keays take you to the corners of the screen, and the 2, 4, 6, 8 keys move
> >the mouse curser line by line or word by word across the screen. I've always
> >been able to move focus to a toolbar with that screen reader using the
> >mouse.
> >However, Gnopernicus is just different, and I am vary confused how to scrole
> >the mouse around the screen without jumping to parent or child window or
> >from clip to clip. It's even harderonce you find a clip to figure out how to
> >left or right click on that control. Can anyone explain how the mouse works
> >in Gnopernicus? How to move the mouse to a control and click on it?
> >
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