Re: Mozilla successes.

["Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978 earthlink net>]

Hi, Peter.
Well, what I could do say every month build an rpm of the latest sun
accessibility  build of mozilla and post it for download. That way Mandrake
and Fedora users could in theory just remove the stock mozilla and install
the accessibility version of the rpm.
Anyone interested?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Korn" <Peter Korn Sun COM>
To: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978 earthlink net>
Cc: "Luke Yelavich" <linuxaccess themuso com>;
<mozilla-accessibility mozilla org>; <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Mozilla successes.


> Hi Tom and Esther, Luke,
>
> There are fundamentally three reasons why Sun's Mozilla accessibility
> improvements, unlike Sun's GNOME accessibility improvements, aren't going
> immediately into Mozilla head:
>
>   1. Sun will ship an earlier branch of Mozilla in our upcoming Solaris
>      and JDS/Linux distributions than community head.  As we are making
>      these accessibility improvements in significant measure so we can
>      deliver them to our customers, those improvements happen first on
>      our own branch, and then get migrated to Mozilla head.  Numerous
>      differences between our branch and head (including those unrelated
>      to accessibility) mean that in many cases the patches need to be
>      modified in order to move to Mozilla head - a process that takes
>      some time/work for each patch.
>
>   2. The Mozilla bug patch process involves more code review than the
GNOME
>      bug patch process.  While we have the eager cooperation of the
>      module maintainer for accessibility in Mozilla (Aaron Leventhal),
there
>      is additional review that is needed.  Furthermore, many of the
>      accessibility bug fixes (especially those involving accessibility API
>      support [e.g. ATK implementation]) touch *lots* of files, which makes
>      the review process more time-consuming.  Given that many ATK bug
>      fixes touch the same many files, we've been asked to batch these
>      together to be reviewed in chunks (rather than each individual change
>      at a time).
>
>   3. The Sun engineers on this project - our Sun Beijing Mozilla team -
are
>      *very* pressed at the moment working hard to get a couple of releases
>      out the door in order to meet upcoming Sun releases.  Given the
amount of
>      accessibility support we want to see in these releases, and the
number
>      of outstanding bugs we're furiously trying to fix, in just the last
>      bunch of weeks we've pulled back from submitting patches to Mozilla
>      trunk for review (we're also late getting out an updated Mozilla
>      keyboard navigation proposal, for the same reason).
>
> All of this should get better soon (after the internal crunch ends),
> especially given the enthusiastic offer of assistance we've gotten from
the
> Mozilla accessibility maintainer in getting these patches/fixes into
Mozilla
> trunk.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Peter Korn
> Sun Accessibility team
>
>
>
> Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
> > Hi, I would be interested as well to know why it is taking so long for
the
> > changes to get in to the main Mozilla trunk.
> > I know of VI users interested in trying Gnome, but don't wan't to go
through
> > the hastle of compiling the Sun accessibility builds or download instal
> > another Mozilla. They would just like to install the stock one off of
Fedora
> > and be done with it.
> > I of course, for the time being probably could put together an rpm of
the
> > latest November stable  Sun Mozilla build, but
> > still  they do have a point.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Luke Yelavich" <linuxaccess themuso com>
> > To: "Peter Korn" <Peter Korn Sun COM>
> > Cc: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978 earthlink net>;
> > <mozilla-accessibility mozilla org>;
<gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: Mozilla successes.
> >
> >
> >
> >>On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 07:02:17AM EST, Peter Korn wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm delighted to hear of your successes.  Thank you for the report of
> >>>problems with the Sun Java download page; we'll look into it.
> >>
> >>I will have to chekc this out myself. I like the sound of what you had
> >>to say Tom.
> >>
> >>
> >>>We are working to integrate all of our bug fixes into Mozilla trunk,
but
> >>>that process is unfortunately a bit slower than we'd like.  Meanwhile,
I
> >>>encourage you (and everyone else who is interested) to try the
> >>
> > semi-weekly
> >
> >>>uploads of the Sun Mozilla builds, and share with us the results of
your
> >>>explorations. We are very keen to hear user experiences (and especially
> >>
> > any
> >
> >>>bugs that you find).
> >>
> >>A question. Why weren't these bugfixes pushed upstream from the
> >>very beginning? or if they were, why have they not gone in nearly as
> >>quickly?
> >>
> >>Luke
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>mozilla-accessibility mozilla org
> >>http://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozilla-accessibility
> >
> >
>
>
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