Re: Terminology: "exit" versus "quit"

[Shaun McCance <shaunm gnome org>]

On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:55 +0200, Gabor Kelemen wrote:
> Calum Benson írta:
> >
> > On 1 Jul 2008, at 03:22, Leonardo F. Fontenelle wrote:
> >
> >> Is there any difference between "exit" and "quit" in GNOME terminology?
> >>
> >> Currently in Brazil we are translating both "exit" and "quit" as the
> >> same "sair". I just wanted to be sure we're doing the right thing.
> >
> > If you mean in GUI labels, applications shouldn't be using "Exit", 
> > only "Quit".  So please file bugs against applications that are using 
> > "Exit" :)
> >
> So you mean all of this should be reported:
> (grepping through my folder of 2.23 translations, without docs)
> 
> gabor shaihulud:~/forditas/aktualis$ grep -v ^# * | grep -i Exit
> anjuta.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Command exited with status %d"
> anjuta.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Program exited normally\n"
> anjuta.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Program exited with error code %s\n"
> anjuta.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Process exited."
> anjuta.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Call __libc_freeres() at exit before checking 
> for memory leaks"
> bug-buddy.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "gdb has already exited"

I think exit needs to be retained when talking about
programs exiting, as opposed to a user quitting an
application.  A program can't quit; that sounds odd.
These are all sort of developer-oriented.  They're
talking about processes, not applications in the
way users think of them.

> conduit.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Save settings on exit"

We might need to retain "on exit", because "on quit"
doesn't sound at all right.  Maybe "when quitting",
but I don't care for that.  Calum?

> devhelp.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Display the version and exit"

I believe this is a command line message, telling
you what happens when you pass "--version".  This
is probably not worth changing.

> epiphany.HEAD.hu.po:"Epiphany appears to have exited unexpectedly the 
> last time it was run. You "

Again, an application can't quit.

> epiphany.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "In keyboard selection mode, press F7 to exit"

Could be wrong.  Is "exit" here referring to quitting
the application, or just exiting some mode?

> evince.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "End of presentation. Press Escape to exit."

Is this exiting a presentation mode, or quitting Evince?

> evolution-data-server.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "sendmail exited with signal %s: 
> mail not sent."
> evolution-data-server.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "sendmail exited with status %d: 
> mail not sent."
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Empty Junk folders on exit"
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Empty Trash folders on exit"
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Empty all Junk folders when exiting Evolution."
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Empty all Trash folders when exiting Evolution."
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Minimum days between emptying the junk on exit"
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Minimum days between emptying the trash on exit"
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Minimum time between emptying the junk on 
> exit, in days."
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Minimum time between emptying the trash on 
> exit, in days."
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:"Evolution appears to have exited unexpectedly the 
> last time it was\n"

See above comments.

> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit the program"

Probably wrong.  I'd have to see it in context.

Jeez, there's a lot of these.  I think all the ones
below fall under something I already said.

> file-roller.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Command exited abnormally."
> gconf.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Failed to get bus name for daemon, exiting: %s"
> gconf.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exiting"
> gconf.HEAD.hu.po:"add the listener if gconfd exits or shuts down (%s)"
> gconf.HEAD.hu.po:"add the listener if gconfd exits or shuts down (%s)"
> gdm.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "worker exited with status %d"
> gdm.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit after a time - for debugging"
> gedit.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exited"
> glade3.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Output version information and exit"
> gnome-control-center.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Child exited unexpectedly"
> gnome-control-center.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit shell on add or remove 
> action performed"
> gnome-control-center.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit shell on help action performed"
> gnome-control-center.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit shell on start action performed"
> gnome-control-center.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit shell on upgrade or 
> uninstall action performed"
> gnome-games.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit the GGZ client application."
> gnome-media.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Attempt to _eject CD when CD Player exits"
> gnome-media.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Attempt to eject CD when CD Player exits"
> gnome-panel.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Force this application to exit?"
> gnome-panel.HEAD.hu.po:"If you choose to force an application to exit, 
> any open documents in it will "
> gnome-panel.HEAD.hu.po:"d) and will exit.\n"
> gnome-power-manager.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Show version of installed program 
> and exit"
> gnome-power-manager.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit after a small delay (for 
> debugging)"
> gnome-power-manager.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit after the manager has loaded 
> (for debugging)"
> gnome-screensaver.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Causes the screensaver to exit 
> gracefully"
> gnome-session.HEAD.hu.po:"(%s exited with status %d)"
> gnome-terminal.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "What to do with the terminal when the 
> child command exits"
> gnome-terminal.HEAD.hu.po:"Exit the terminal\n"
> gnome-terminal.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "When command _exits:"
> gnome-utils.HEAD.hu.po:"The child save process unexpectedly exited.  We 
> are unable to write the "
> gnome-volume-manager.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Print version and exit"
> gtk+.HEAD.hu.po:"Insufficient memory to load image, try exiting some 
> applications to free "
> gtk+.HEAD.hu.po:"Insufficient memory to store a %ld by %ld image; try 
> exiting some "
> gvfs.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "ssh program unexpectedly exited"
> libgnomeui.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exit the test"
> orca.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Enters and exits flat review mode."
> orca.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Enters learn mode.  Press escape to exit learn mode."
> orca.HEAD.hu.po:"Entering learn mode.  Press any key to hear its 
> function.  To exit learn "
> orca.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Learn mode.  Press escape to exit."
> orca.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Exiting learn mode."
> sabayon.HEAD.hu.po:"Sabayon will now exit.  There were some recoverable 
> errors, and you can help "
> totem.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Verify your system installation. Totem will now 
> exit."
> totem.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Verify your system installation. The Totem 
> plugin will now exit."
> vino.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Remote Desktop server already running; exiting ...\n"
> vino.HEAD.hu.po:"exiting ...\n"
> gabor shaihulud:~/forditas/aktualis$ grep -i E_xit *
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Delete junk messages on e_xit"
> evolution.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "Empty trash folders on e_xit"
> gabor shaihulud:~/forditas/aktualis$ grep -i _Exit *
> gnome-terminal.HEAD.hu.po:msgid "When command _exits:"
> gabor shaihulud:~/forditas/aktualis$
> 
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