Re: KDE 2.0 impressions

[mawarkus t-online de (Matthias Warkus)]

(I'm trying to move this to gnome-private as gnome-hackers is shutting
down AFAIK.)

+++ Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 12:25:47PM -0400 +++
Miguel de Icaza e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break.
> 
> > Of course one can argue that this is due to the fact that KDE 2.0
> > hass even the smallest of applications link to the object model
> > stuff and such; most KDE applications are approximately of the same
> > size.  This might mean that they share more code with each other
> > than GNOME programs do, however.
> 
> Someone told me --and I have not been able to verify the actual code,
> but it seems to be true-- that some startup program actually links
> with all the libraries in KDE and when you launch another KDE app,
> this process just forks and dlopens the new application.

Yes. The program is called kdeinit.
 
> Something that might be an interesting task is to restart the computer
> and immediately run KDE, and check the available free memory.  And
> then do the same for GNOME.

I'll do that tomorrow, for now here's a ps aux both from a fresh KDE
2.0 and a fresh default GNOME 1.2.x setup (i.e. GNOME started with
.gnome directory removed):

Fresh KDE 2.0:
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
mawa      4528  0.1  8.9 14816  5644  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: dcopserver 
mawa      4530  0.0  9.7 14948  6168  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: klauncher  
mawa      4532  0.9 15.0 16244  9520  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: kdesktop   
mawa      4534  0.1  9.4 14784  5988  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: kded       
mawa      4538  4.5  4.1  3644  2616  ?  S    00:41   0:01 artsd -F 5 -S 8192 
mawa      4544  0.1  9.5 14868  6052  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: kxmlrpcd   
mawa      4546  0.0  8.9 14816  5660  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: kio_file   
mawa      4552  1.5 14.7 16504  9340  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: kicker     
mawa      4554  0.3 11.9 15040  7564  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: klipper    
mawa      4556  0.1 10.4 14856  6612  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: khotkeys   
mawa      4558  0.0  8.2 14616  5240  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: Running... 
mawa      4560  0.2 11.0 15072  6952  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: kwrited    
mawa      4563  0.7 11.2 14288  7084   1 S    00:41   0:00 knotify 
mawa      4567  0.7  8.6 11188  5460   1 S    00:41   0:00 ksmserver --restore 
mawa      4569  0.7 12.0 15392  7604  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: kwin       
mawa      4571  0.1 10.7 15056  6812  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: kcookiejar 
mawa      4572  2.1 13.2 15656  8396  ?  S    00:41   0:00 kdeinit: konsole    

Fresh CVS GNOME 1.2.x:
USER       PID %CPU %MEM  SIZE   RSS TTY STAT START   TIME COMMAND
mawa      4620  0.8  5.7  5992  3648   1 S    00:42   0:00 gnome-session 
mawa      4631  0.1  2.9  5300  1848  ?  S    00:42   0:00 gnome-smproxy --sm-cl
mawa      4635  3.0  4.9  4480  3096  ?  S    00:42   0:01 sawfish --sm-client-i
mawa      4640  0.1  0.6  1044   428  ?  S    00:42   0:00 esd -nobeeps 
mawa      4680  2.9  8.1  7928  5144  ?  S    00:43   0:01 panel --sm-client-id
mawa      4682  0.2  2.4  2784  1520  ?  S    00:43   0:00 xscreensaver -no-spla
mawa      4686  0.1  1.9  2400  1204  ?  S    00:43   0:00 gnome-name-service 
mawa      4690  1.2  5.9  6988  3748  ?  S    00:43   0:00 tasklist_applet --act
mawa      4692  3.0  6.1  7136  3872  ?  S    00:43   0:00 deskguide_applet --ac
mawa      4697  1.1  5.7  6208  3660  ?  S    00:43   0:00 battery_applet --acti
mawa      4701  4.1  6.3  6308  3980  ?  S    00:43   0:00 gnome-terminal --use-
root      4703  0.2  0.6   892   436  ?  S    00:43   0:00 gnome-pty-helper 

The KDE RSSes are significantly larger than the GNOME ones. Simply
adding the stats up won't do much good since there's a lot of page
sharing going on, especially on the KDE side. However, I think it's
safe to say that GNOME consumes at least a little less memory --
witness the SIZE and RSS of Kicker compared to panel.

mawa

PS: Speaking of GNOME's new default settings, which I saw for the
first time doing this comparison: It's a bit uncomfortable to install
a battery status applet by default; on a desktop machine, it
immediately reports "battery low". Maybe the user should make a choice
about what kind of machine they run when starting GNOME for the first
time?
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