Re: gnome-hackers is now closed

[Christopher James Lahey <clahey helixcode com>]

This seems quite unacceptable to me.  The whole point of this move was to
move 99% of the gnome-hackers traffic to a non-private list.  If we do
this, gnome-hackers will become a noise only list and gnome-private will
be the new inner circle of development list.

When was the last time a message that needed to be private was sent to
gnome-hackers?  Do you really think we don't get the idea?  This
discussion has been one of the main discussion points on gnome-hackers
recently.  Why would people be posting to gnome-hackers if they don't read
it?

I really think we should reopen gnome-hackers as soon as the archives are
moved and we should make sure to do this in the next day or two.  At that
point, we should make a point of moving the main discussions back onto
gnome-hackers.

Alternatively, I think it would be fine to keep the gnome-private and
gnome-hackers lists in sync for the next month and just make sure that we
move conversations to the gnome-hackers list.  Then once November is over,
open up the lists.  This way anyone who sends a private mail to the
gnome-hackers list can be warned, but their post would still be private.

I really think that the whole point of moving to gnome-private is so that
we can have gnome-hackers be open reading.  If we close gnome-hackers for
some amount of time, it will be much harder to migrate back.  Closing
gnome-hackers almost makes the whole exercise moot.

Also, is gnome-hackers going to be open to posting?  It might be
interesting to make this a list that you need to apply for an account to
post, but that everybody has access to the archives (starting from the
reopening.)  I have no idea if this is a good idea.  It's just a thought.

Thanks,
    Chris

On 31 Oct 2000, Martin Baulig wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> our good old gnome-hackers gnome org list is now finally
> closed and we cannot approve any more posts which are
> sent to the list from now on.
> 
> Please use gnome-private gnome org from now on.
> 
> I just had a look at the subscriber list of both list
> and verified that they're really exactly the same.
> 
> The old list is now closed, moderated and sending an
> auto-reply for each mail which is sent to it; I'm sorry,
> but we can't approve any more mails which are sent to
> gnome-hackers, so please repost them to gnome-private
> if you get this auto-reply.
> 
> Tomorrow is the first day of a new month, and after
> midnight has passed, I'll move the mailing list archives
> from gnome-hackers to gnome-private (that's also the reason
> why we can't approve any more gnome-hackers posts ...).
> 
> My apologies for all inconveniences this may cause (such as
> replying to older mails etc.), but we need to draw the final
> deadline somewhere and technically, the beginning of a new
> month is just the best time for it.
> 
>                             * * *
> 
> Ok, so now to this question which you may want to ask now:
> 
> "So, what's that's the plan for gnome-hackers and when can
>  we open it to the public ?"
> 
> Well, before we can open gnome-hackers to the public we need
> to make sure that all people who are currently subscribed to
> gnome-private are aware of the change. This means, as long
> as people are still posting to gnome-hackers, we cannot open
> it since we'd risk that someone is accidentally posting
> confidental material to it.
> 
> My estimate time-frame for this is two weeks after the last
> person attempted to post to gnome-hackers.
> 
>