Re: http://widget.gnome.org:8484/gnome-news/

[Kenny Graunke <kenny whitecape org>]

On Monday 30 April 2001 07:18 am, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > Also, replacing the top bar with Kenny's much nicer d.g.o header would be
> > good; no more image map.
>
> <Sigh>. I guess I'll get jumped all over if I claim that my old header
> LOOKED considerably better than the replacement.  Even in
> Mozilla. But, in any case, I really think it would be a good idea if
> the replacement was fixed not to take up half the screen in Netscape.

*Sigh.*

Some reasons I did this:

(1) The page should load faster for people over slow modems, especially since 
this is all just text anyhow...
(2) The pages shouuld be easier to use in text based web browsers, such as 
lynx or links.
(3) The links look and behave like links on every other page, whereas in the 
image map, they only look like grey text - no underlining, inconsistent 
coloring, no changes when you hover over the link, or have visited it 
already, or are clicking on it...

It will look nicer and more "professional" when we get antialiased text 
rendering.

About the header taking up "half the screen" in Netscape - it only takes up a 
few lines. I *thought* Netscape rendered this correctly when I committed 
this, but after installing it, I see that it does not. I have tried to 
correct this issue, but it appears that Netscape 4.x has a severely broken 
box model which just can't handle my 100% valid stylesheet. I add margins 
around text and it adds it around everything in the parent's box. Truly 
bizarre.

If you really want me to revert, I can, I just wanted to explain my position 
first. So far, I've talked to a few people, we seem to have four for the 
changes, and three against. I strongly feel that images should be used only 
for images, not text, but I have a change to revert it just waiting to be 
committed if that is the decision. I admit that it does look worse without 
decently antialiased text, but I feel we should be looking towards the 
future...

--Kenny