Minutes of the GNOME 2.0 Release Team Meeting - 2001/10/27

[Jeff Waugh <jdub perkypants org>]

Minutes of the GNOME 2.0 Release Team Meeting - 2001/10/27
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Present:

  John Fleck
  Jody Goldberg
  Jamin P. Gray
  Telsa Gwynne
  Gregory Leblanc
  Sander Vesik
  Jeff Waugh (chair, minutes)

Regrets or Missing:

  Karl Gaffney
  Kjartan Maraas
  Michael Meeks
  Seth Nickell
  Maciej Stachowiak


Previous Actions
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  PENDING: Telsa's bugzilla documentation & MUSTFIX guide
   => will rewrite because builders are in the way
  
  PENDING: Jeff to bug hackers about features. And document them (which is the
    real distinction here).
   => more documentation required (very busy week, i have lots of stuff to do
      for GNOME this weekend)
  
  PENDING: Maciej to post about area coordinators MUSTFIX responsibilities
   => no one saw this, no discussion on list

  PENDING: Jeff to post reminder for platform alpha 2 release
   => doing straight after meeting

  PENDING: John to find out porting guide status from Malcolm
   => no contact thus far, will keep trying

  DONE: Sander to sort through discussions and post almost-final core apps
    list on Monday
   => done, pretty frozen list, no complaints


Actions
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  ACTION: Jeff to post platform alpha 2 reminder immediately

  ACTION: Jeff to update dot.plan website like a good little GNOMEr

  ACTION: Jamin to post 5th Toe nomination request


Decisions & Discussions
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* GNOME Office vs. 5th Toe applications

* Two criteria for gnome office:

  - Should use gnome libraries; other apps could be listed on GNOME site, but
	won't be regarded as 'official'

  - Should be using GNOME 2.0 platform for this release (important things for
	the apps such as fixing libxml1 issues, etc)

* Abiword, Gnumeric and Sodipodi seem to have similar release schedules

* Planning for good 1.4 platform release now, then quick port to GNOME 2.0

* Definitely not releasing at GNOME 2.0 date ('pretty near impossible')

* There should be lists of platform/core/5th toe/office for dot.plan

* List of 'hopeful' and 'blessed' GNOME Office apps to be posted first, then
  post porting timeline as developers agree

* 5th Toe could do with nominations, post questions to the lists

* Inclusion requirements same as GNOME Office

* Should we require good docs? Pretty rough for applications, user level docs
  are far more intricate than developer level docs (which are required for
  libraries).

* Perhaps need good error handling instead... Nicholas Petreley reference (he
  missed the point, didn't find the best examples, etc)

* Error 'reporting' vs. error 'handling' -> we should be aiming for error
  handling, instead of giving unhelpful errors ("SaveYourself")

* These can be filed as critical bugs to bring back the idea of using bugs as a
  metric for inclusion

* Multibyte character set testing: http://www.gnome.gr.jp/~nakai/i18n/

* What's the status of 1.4.1? Some critical packages blocking, need to talk to
  Kjartan

* Greg and Tomas' ftp work is way cool, and they are owed beverages (11 times
  beer = under the table, gnome developers * beer = physically impossible)

- Jeff

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