Re: open translations database

[Aoife Dunne - Sunsoft ELC <Aoife Dunne ireland sun com>]

Thu, 3 Feb 2000 Kenneth Christiansen
 
> I will ask Martin (of Gnome fame) to create a 
> gnome-i18n-tools@gnome.org list.

Any update?.   I assume, people are interested in joining the 
alias, to discuss "How best to handle the i18n process"?.   


> Also, I will suggest an irc meeting on irc.gnome.org sometime 
> after the weekend. 

This is turning out to be more difficult than originally 
anticipated because of time zones.  Can I purpose we start by 
creating a list of topics for discussions, via e-mail. Then, we 
can review the list inserting topics for discussion in order of 
priority.  Priority, based on short-term possible achievement, 
moving to longer term developments?.  

Here is Kenneth's list of topics, please send him additional 
items for discussion.


> - What apart from Gnome is of our responsibility
>   (GNU, Mozilla, other Gnome friendly dists?) 
> - Can we readapt the gettext development
> - XML translation, bonobo-ui
> - Sawfish, lisp translation
> - The Gnome translation scripts
> - Documentation on how to make a program support
>   i18n, and how to translate
> - How to handle other things than po files
> - Consistency
> - Wordlists
> - Mozilla, AbiWord XP-translations
> - Problems with the current tools
> - Making sure that all files get translated
> - Making package maintainers aware of the importaince
>   of well translated products
> - Status of translations
> - How to handle size depending translations
> - Keybindings, accelerators
> - etc etc


Additional topics for discussion

- Style guides
- Test QA process - test suites, test cases, test automation
- Schedule issues
- Translation Memory - leverage across components, across 
products
- Message Delivery - would it be good to move to delivering 
messages separately to the application?.
- Bug handling - reporting, monitoring, fixing, verification

Regards
Aoife

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• From: "Kenneth Christiansen" <kenneth gnu org>
• To: "Karl Eichwalder" <keichwa gmx net>
• Cc: <gnome-i18n gnome org>
• Subject: Re: open translations database
• Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:29:51 +0100

Here it would be nice if we had a tool which could make a translation 
status of a distribution. Ie, for SuSE we would for instance have a 
statustabel just like for Gnome - though the packages would be very frozen.

Here it should be a cvs, where you could checkout your "already" merged
po sources. and check them in again, when they are updated.

Also, if the status would mark a package as red if it's going to be 
replaced in short time, that would be nice too. Then again, if a new
package/updated package is being added and it's not 100% for your langauge
you should get a mail.

A system for this, that could be used my SuSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, etc 
would be really nice. Unfortunately I know only little about how distributors
handle their packages, so I make this before knowing so.

This would be *very* nice though, and it should list all packages with 
i18n support, from gnome, gnu to kde.

I see it as more importain that the packages are 100% translated in 
distributions as compared to individual releases

Also, in gnome we *really* need a module, with a file, where you can 
write when you are going to release a new package! If we can get people
to use that, it would really really make my day.

For instance we could call it 'gnome-releases/upcoming'. Then there 
could also be a subdir with old release announcements ;) Maybe someone
has better idea, but this way, only people with cvs access know about
the upcoming releases, which I think is good

Kenneth

> > Sorry, but that is the sad truth. Also, especially distributions (I do
> > not know about suse) don't like updating packages for this.
> 
> In part that's true.  We're not allowed to add those "cosmetical"
> updates to a released distribution.  But we are allowed to add newer
> message files for forthcoming releases (say: gnome-libs-1.2.8 plus newer
> .po/.mo files from the CVS for SuSE Linux 7.1).  That's what I've
> actually done for tools like `wget' and I'd certainly do it for GNOME
> programs if a package is really old (and newer translations are
> available) or if users will send me precise feedback (which package,
> which language).



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