Very Nasty Gnome bug



While attempting to reset GNOME so that it doesn't use that damn X cursor, gnome
managed to screw itself royally.

In order to see if the dredded X cursor was caused by a gnome config problem,
I removed all of my home .gnome* directories.  That wasn't it.  Guess it must
be an enlightment thing, so I'll have to blow away the .enlightenment
directory next.  After reconfiguring the panel to put back the stuff that was
removed:-(, I got out of gnome because of other stuff I was working on.
When I restarted X, gnome complained about another panel running and did I
still want to start it.  I said no.  Bad choice.  Now I had no panel at all.
OK, so I'll just get out of gnome and restart it.

Here comes the gnome configuration fuckup...  if you have no panel, you have
no way to log out of gnome.  No menu option with the middle or right buttons.
No place at all in which the user can get out of gnome.  Oops, dumb, real
dumb.  The default configuration of gnome MUST have another way to get out
if the panel is not there, or a menu option to restart the panel.  Either
way, the user is fucked.

If there is a way to get out (without doing ctl-alt-F1 and killing the jobs),
I couldn't find it.  That means newbies to gnome aren't going to know how to
either.  I'm a newbie to gnome and its many problems.

I'm almost ready to spend the time getting OpenWindows working again.  The
main reason why...  I can't configure the desktop the way I want when it starts.
With olvwm, I could tell it, via a couple of files, to start certain
applications and position them in a particular virtual area of the desktop
and exactly where within that virtual area.  Yes, you are supposed to be able
to tell gnome to remember the locations when you log out of gnome.  I've done
the Remember States->All Attributes for each of the applications, and did a
save current setup when logging out.  But when I restart gnome, all of the
applications pile into virtual area 0 and place themselves top center.  Not
only were the applications not put back in the virtual area from whence they
came, they weren't even placed in the right area of the virtual area.  This
feature just plain does not work.  If a gnome programmer has gotten it to work,
I'd sure like to know how and I'm sure every other user of gnome would like
to know as well.

Any and all pointers to fixes are welcome.

MB
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