RE: themes bust it up...

["Poletti, Don" <don poletti comverse-in com>]

> I did not mean to get off topic.  I intension was to find a 
> window manager
> which I can use with Gnome, so I figured that was on topic for this
> general discussion list on Gnome.

Part of my point was that a wm discussion of how they work with gnome
is on-topic. It look like it was starting to diverge into what one is 
best. But they was probably more the fault of the people answering you
rather than your original question.

I really suggest you try sawmill. Although there are still two themes
at least sawmill places capplets inside the control center so you can
control sawmill and gnome from one place. Someone else mention that
if you set the sawmill theme to coolGtk then it will try to use the 
theme for gtk so in a way this will look like one theme. I'm going to
try this tonight.

> 
> What I have noticed is that Gnome tries to act and take over for the
> window manger while they do not truly work together.  As much 
> as I would
> like to get away from KDE, it has much better integrated support since
> they control the window manager.  (from what i have seen)
> 
> What I would liek to see is when I go to the gnome control panel and
> select a new theme or some setting it works with the current window
> manager.  Since most window managers are very diverse for 
> such things that
> kind of task would not be easy, but I would guess someone is 
> working on
> that.  Perhaps that will be in the new gnome wm spec.
> 
> Sorry if it seems off topic, but I am just looking to create a better
> gnome setup on my machine.  (then write an article for daemonnews.org)
> 
> Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin
> projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com
> 
> fortune:
> George Orwell 1984.  Northwestern 0.
> 		-- Chicago Reader 10/15/82
> 
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Poletti, Don wrote:
> 
> > Brennan,
> > 
> > This is mostly off-topic since this is a gnome list not a
> > wm list. But since many newbies (not calling you one) have trouble
> > distinguishing between gnome and wm it does come up. So the question
> > of what works best with gnome is somewhat relevant but what 
> > wm is best is not relevant. That being said here's my 2 cents 
> > (which I will try to keep gnome related), I hope after this that 
> > this threads dies..
> > 
> > Someone recently called sawmill the closest thing to an 
> offical GNOME
> > wm. This is because it was designed for GNOME and doesn't try
> > to do things GNOME already does like set the background pic. If
> > you use Enlightenment for instance both GNOME and E try to 
> set it and
> > I forget which one wins but its really confusing to 
> newbies. I personnally
> > switch to sawmill and haven't really noticed a difference 
> except that
> > my machine is noticable faster. Therefore sawmill is the 
> best fit and the
> > others have some degree of feature overlap. Amazingly only 
> one person
> > complained when Sawmill was called the closest thing to a GNOME wm. 
> > 
> > This all depends on what is important to you. This list 
> given was very
> > reasonable and I beleive in popularity sawmill and E are at 
> the top. So
> > unless you have special needs I suggest your try those two first.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I do not mean to incite a riot, but would like to get an 
> idea of what
> > > people enjoy using.  I have worked with different window 
> > > managers in the
> > > past and know when even with one window manager there are 
> a million
> > > options.  Enlightenment can be configured to do just about 
> > > anything and so
> > > can many others, but I have seen very few other people 
> > > running X Windows
> > > in person.
> > > 
> > > When I do see screen shots they look amazing and I wonder how 
> > > I could get
> > > all those cool things running on my computer.  I basically 
> > > need a heads up
> > > on all the useful features of each variation that people 
> happen to be
> > > using so that I can figure what I like best.
> > > 
> > > As far as religion, I was raised Catholic but think 
> Buddhism is really
> > > cool.  But as in religion and window managers, to each his own.
> > > 
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin
> > > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com
> > > 
> > > fortune:
> > > Computers will not be perfected until they can compute 
> how much more
> > > than the estimate the job will cost.
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Tom Gilbert wrote:
> > > 
> > > > * Brennan W Stehling (brennan@offwhite.net) wrote:
> > > > > I tried some themese for enlightenment that I downloaded 
> > > from themes.org
> > > > > and it killed me.  Is that common?
> > > > 
> > > > You may have tried to use 0.15.x themes with 0.16.x. A 
> > > common mistake,
> > > > and some naughty theme authors mislabel their themes as 0.16
> > > > compliant. Just edit ~/.enlightenment/user_theme.cfg to fix.
> > > > 
> > > > > The busted themes support is the main reason I am looking 
> > > at other window
> > > > > managers than the default enllightenment for gnome.  
> > > Blackbox seems to
> > > > > stay out of the way while I can rely on the gnome panel 
> > > to manage and
> > > > > start all applications.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can anyone share their ideal window manager setup with 
> > > the list?  I mean
> > > > > one that you are or have used in the past.  I wnt to use 
> > > one that is
> > > > > simple and does not allow the window manager to interfere 
> > > with gnome.  I
> > > > > also want decent themes support.
> > > > 
> > > > Not a good question to ask. It's very much like asking 
> what football
> > > > team is best, or what religion is nice :) You'll likely:
> > > > 
> > > > o Get 15 different answers from a hundred different people
> > > > o Get different descriptions of the same thing from 
> > > different people.
> > > > o Receive wildly conflicting and often spurious answers 
> > > from everyone.
> > > > o Provoke normally harmless and peaceful individuals into
> > > >   emotion-ridden outbursts and violence
> > > > o Get nowhere fast =)
> > > > 
> > > > I repeat my earlier statement, spend a few days with each, 
> > > and choose
> > > > whichever suits you best. GNOME-compliant themeable 
> choices include:
> > > > 
> > > > Enlightenment
> > > > Sawmill
> > > > Black Box
> > > > IceWM
> > > > Window maker
> > > > Afterstep (latest version is mostly compliant afaik)
> > > > 
> > > > In no particular order. I may have missed some.
> > > > 
> > > > Tom.
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