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Re: Sony Clie with USB sync

Hi Daniel,

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 18:01, Daniel Brodie wrote:
> I do have a simmilar problem with pilot-xfer etc... so this problem
> appears to not be limited to gnome-pilot.
> 
I had problems there to, I have to open the /var/log/messages and wait
until the first few lines of the connect-message appear. then I hit
enter to confirm the pre-entered pilot-xfer command in another term and
then it connects. I had some help on this list regarding this problem
and I can live with it now, but it's not totally okay yet. 


> I have also tried specifying USB instead of serial but it dosn't work.
> (gives me a gtk error about not being able to open display)
> 
> before I get it to work with the palm I have to do modprobe visor. I
> have no idea how to enable it in modules.conf though (need to read
> through the man page ;) )
> 
I have the visor.o running all the time, but don't ask me how I managed
to start it up. Maybe this helps, it's the notes i took when bringing
the stuff to work:

...make pilot-link work: 

1. get pilot-link and gnome-pilot latest!!! 

2. untar both in /devel/pilot 

3. go into /devel/pilot/pilot-link 

4. pilot-link should be installed in /usr/local ( prefix=/usr/local), so
you don t screw up any distro-dependant install of pilot-link in /usr. 

5. do #> ./configure -prefix=/usr/local 

6. satisfy all deps on libs * install various packages: * long list,
complete it next time   libpanel-applet-dev 

7. remove pilot-link folder after each failed configure / build, unpack
it again and do a new configure as above until it is compiled. 

8. #> make install as root to install new pilot-link tools 

9. check (locate) all pilot-xfer and check versions; remove old versions
and set links to new version 

10. make sure usb is complete and working kernel should have: usb, uhci,
usbserial, usbmouse, hid, usbcore, usbdevfs, visor at least 

11. modprobing visor and check with lsmod for at least: uhci, usbcore,
usbserial, visor 

12. make usbdevfs available: in /etc/fstab:
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> 
none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 

13. check /var/log/messages when connecting/pressing hotsync whether
clie connects 

14. set permissions to 777 on /dev/ttyUSB1 

15. use pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -l to check for connection at all.
Won t work if uhci is not loaded though visor loads without it. Check
for uhci!!!! 

16. if connection works with pilot-xfer proceed with gpilotd-stuff  

17. configure gnome-pilot as above (delete and reconfigure after each
failed try) use this: 
./configure -prefix=/usr -with-pisock=/usr/local 

18. make 

19. if compile worked: as root 
make install 

20. killall gpilotd 

21. modprobe visor and other usb-stuff  

22. go to gnome control center 

23. in pilot-stuff  set up the clie-usb-port to /dev/ttyUSB1, as USB
with high timeout 

24. exit the controlcenter 

25. on console killall gpilotd 

26. run gpilotd without args. should state to listen on /dev/ttyUSB1
with no pilots configured 

27. killall gpilotd again 

28. controlcenter, pilot-settings 

29. add a pilot, connect it but don t press hotsync 

30. select get id from pilot 

31. it now asks you to connect the pilot and press hotsync 

32. doing so should bring the ID and Username 

33. set all directories as needed (/home/fungata/MyFiles/....) 

34. exit control center 

35. add pilot-applet to gnome-bar 

36. select restart deamon from applet menu 

37. press hotsync while watching /var/log/messages 

38. if hotsync worked, return to gnome control center and set up
conduits 

39. make sure all directories for the different conduits exist BEFORE
setting the conduits to point to them, else the setup may crash 

40. launch evolution and run a hotsync. should work.


Puh. This was what I noted when I brought my SJ30 to talk to Evo. Maybe
it helps.

Good Luck

Lars



> This is the relevant lines from lsmod:
> usbcore           78784   1  [visor usbserial usb-storage hid usb-uhci
> ehci-hcd]
> usb-uhci               26348   0  (unused)
> visor                  11144   0
> usbserial              22108   0  [visor]
> usb-storage            69332   0
> 
> and a few more. But as you can see, they are all up and running before
> even attempting to get gpilotd to work.
> 
> So, now I have to have the palm in the middle of a sync before starting
> gpilotd and I also have to kill gpilotd at th eend before the next sync.
> This seems like a problem with the usb device somehow. Off to do some
> more reaserch :)
> 
> Thank you for all the help.
> -Daniel
> 
> On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 02:10, Lars Weissflog wrote:
> > Hi Daniel,
> > 
> > well I had similar problems in earlier versions. What makes me wonder is
> > that you use /dev/ttyUSB0 (Zero). AFAIK it should be /dev/ttyUSB1 (One),
> > at least that is what it is for me. But I remember to have read
> > somewhere that _some_ palms/clies/whatever use Zero. 
> > 
> > 2 the list: Please, could one of the developers or "professionals" jump
> > in here?
> > 
> > As far as I remember the problem you face is that the /dev/ttyUSBx
> > entries are created when the corresponding port is activated and that
> > happens at the moment you initiate the sync from the clie or its cradle.
> > I'm not sure what it takes to make them exist permanent, I had that
> > problem, too. But it's fixed. But I still have it with pilot-xfer. There
> > I have to open a Kernel-log and watch it carefully, and as soon as the
> > visor-usb-module reports the connect, I hit ENTER in another terminal
> > where pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -l is waiting. This usually works. 
> > 
> > Ah, this brings me to a possible solution. Maybe your visor-usb module
> > is compiled as module and gets loaded when needed, and at that time the
> > /dev/ttyUSB0 and 1 ports get created. Try preloading the module by
> > modules.conf at startup so that it is present all the time. Maybe this
> > is what I did. Sorry, can't remember exactly. 
> > But a good point to continue is opening an xterm and running
> > 
> > tail -f /var/log/messages
> > 
> > this gives for my clie just after hitting hotsync on the device:
> > 
> > ---8<----
> > Aug 14 08:03:31 carryme syslogd 1.4.1#10: restart.
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-2,
> > assigned address 3
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: Manufacturer: Palm, Inc.
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: Product: Palm Handheld
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0
> > / Cli 4.x converter detected
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 /
> > Cli 4.x: Number of ports: 2
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 /
> > Cli 4.x: port 1, is for Generic use and is bound to ttyUSB0
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 /
> > Cli 4.x: port 2, is for HotSync use and is bound to ttyUSB1
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0
> > / Cli 4.x converter now attached to ttyUSB0 (or usb/tts/0 for devfs)
> > Aug 14 08:05:11 carryme kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0
> > / Cli 4.x converter now attached to ttyUSB1 (or usb/tts/1 for devfs)
> > Aug 14 08:05:18 carryme kernel: usb.c: USB disconnect on device
> > 00:07.2-2 address 3
> > Aug 14 08:05:18 carryme kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0
> > / Cli 4.x converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0
> > Aug 14 08:05:18 carryme kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0
> > / Cli 4.x converter now disconnected from ttyUSB1
> > 
> > ---->8---
> > 
> > In addition, if I run gpilotd after killing it once, I get:
> > 
> > ---8<----
> > gpilotd-Message: gnome-pilot 2.0.10 starting...
> > gpilotd-Message: compiled for pilot-link version ..
> > gpilotd-Message: compiled with [VFS] [USB] [IrDA] [Network] 
> > gpilotd-Message: Activating CORBA server
> > gpilotd-Message: bonobo_activation_active_server_register = 0
> > gpilotd-Message: Watching Cradle (/dev/ttyUSB1)
> > gpilotd-Message: setting PILOTRATE=9600
> > gpilotd-Message: Cradle Cradle has 0 events
> > gpilotd-Message: Instantiating 4 conduits...
> > ecalconduit-Message: in calendar's conduit_get_gpilot_conduit
> > 
> > eaddrconduit-Message: in address's conduit_get_gpilot_conduit
> > 
> > etodoconduit-Message: in todo's conduit_get_gpilot_conduit
> > 
> > gpilotd-Message: Instantiated 1 backup conduits, 0 file conduits, 3
> > other conduits
> > gpilotd-Message: HotSync button pressed, synchronizing pilot
> > gpilotd-Message: Pilot ID is 9560, name is Clie, owner is Lars W
> > gpilotd-Message: Pilot has 0 entries in restore queue
> > gpilotd-Message: Pilot has 0 entries in conduit queue
> > {ripped here, a lot of sync info follows until the memo-conduit
> > crashes.... another story}
> > --->8---
> > 
> > and here is my lsmod
> > Module                  Size  Used by    Not tainted
> > ide-cd                 27008   0 (autoclean)
> > cdrom                  28640   0 (autoclean) [ide-cd]
> > maestro3               24712   2 (autoclean)
> > ac97_codec             10208   0 (autoclean) [maestro3]
> > soundcore               3460   2 (autoclean) [maestro3]
> > irtty                   5568   2 (autoclean)
> > irda                   81388   1 (autoclean) [irtty]
> > apm                     9504   2 (autoclean)
> > nls_iso8859-1           2880   1 (autoclean)
> > nls_cp437               4384   1 (autoclean)
> > vfat                    9052   1 (autoclean)
> > fat                    30200   0 (autoclean) [vfat]
> > visor                   8608   1
> > usbserial              16512   0 [visor]
> > hid                    18624   0 (unused)
> > usbmouse                1824   0 (unused)
> > mousedev                3808   1
> > tulip                  39168   1
> > input                   3296   0 [hid usbmouse mousedev]
> > uhci                   24552   0 (unused)
> > usbcore                61728   1 [visor usbserial hid usbmouse uhci]
> > rtc                     5884   0 (autoclean)
> > parport_pc             14052   1 (autoclean)
> > lp                      6560   0 (autoclean)
> > parport                25184   1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
> > 
> > 
> > you should preload uhci (or ohci, depending on your hardware), usbcore,
> > usbserial and visor. The rest is machine/application specific stuff and
> > may differ for you.
> > 
> > Let us hear more.....
> > Good luck
> > 
> > Lars
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 04:56, Daniel Brodie wrote:
> > > Thank you for your help. This is some of the info I gathered while
> > > playing around with it a bit more.
> > > 
> > > I removed the applet. The process didn't die. I tried sending -9 but it
> > > was properly hung on IO or parent or somthing. (I have been able to make
> > > programs that are unkillable like that, IIRC they were some kind of
> > > orphans, either way very weird stuff)
> > > 
> > > Anyway, the only way it works for me is if I start a sync before I run
> > > gpilotd otherwise gpilotddosn't work. Also I have to restart gpilotd
> > > between sync's. Currently my pilot uses /dev/ttyUSB0 and I have a
> > > symbolic link from /dev/pilot to that. I have to use the serial method
> > > in gnome-pilot. If I use the usb method my machine freezes (well the
> > > sysreq keys work ;) ) and the scool lock and caps lock start flashing.
> > > Notice I DO sync using a usb device, but in gnome-pilot I have to set
> > > the type of sync to serial.
> > > 
> > > Now for some output.
> > > 
> > > gpilotd not during a sync:
> > > gpilotd-Message: gnome-pilot 2.0.10 starting...
> > > gpilotd-Message: compiled for pilot-link version 0.11.7
> > > gpilotd-Message: compiled with [VFS] [USB] [IrDA] [Network]
> > >  
> > > (gpilotd:4701): gpilotd-WARNING **: Could not open device Cradle
> > > (/dev/ttyUSB0): reason: "No such device".
> > > gpilotd-Message: Activating CORBA server
> > > gpilotd-Message: bonobo_activation_active_server_register = 0
> > > 
> > > I try sync'ing but nothing happens, and in the end my palm gives me an
> > > error about not connecting.
> > > 
> > > gpilotd started during a sync:
> > > gpilotd-Message: gnome-pilot 2.0.10 starting...
> > > gpilotd-Message: compiled for pilot-link version 0.11.7
> > > gpilotd-Message: compiled with [VFS] [USB] [IrDA] [Network]
> > > gpilotd-Message: Activating CORBA server
> > > gpilotd-Message: bonobo_activation_active_server_register = 0
> > > gpilotd-Message: Watching Cradle (/dev/ttyUSB0)
> > > gpilotd-Message: Woke on Cradle
> > > gpilotd-Message: setting PILOTRATE=57600
> > > gpilotd-Message: Cradle Cradle has 0 events
> > > gpilotd-Message: Instantiating 1 conduits...
> > > gpilotd-Message: Instantiated 1 backup conduits, 0 file conduits, 0
> > > other conduits
> > > gpilotd-Message: HotSync button pressed, synchronizing pilot
> > > gpilotd-Message: Pilot ID is 29329, name is Sony Clie, owner is Kevin
> > > Burke
> > > gpilotd-Message: Pilot has 0 entries in restore queue
> > > gpilotd-Message: Pilot has 0 entries in conduit queue
> > > backupconduit-Message: Making backup of finger
> > > backupconduit-Message: Wrote 1 of 1 records, which is good
> > > backupconduit-Message: redbook-07.pdf not modified since last sync
> > > {much more here, I cut out}
> > > backupconduit-Message: Wordnet medium not modified since last sync
> > > gpilotd-Message: Synchronization ended
> > > 
> > > At this point, if I try to sync again it dosn't work, same as before.
> > > Restarting gpilotd repeats itself.
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your help.
> > > -Daniel
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 02:04, Lars Weissflog wrote:
> > > > Hi Daniel,
> > > > 
> > > > I had severe problems with my Clie and gpilotd, too. They are mostly
> > > > gone with the newer releases as those you use. For the
> > > > memo-files-conduit, please refer to the archives of this list. There
> > > > have been dozens of mails lately dealing with this. To keep it short: It
> > > > doesn't work at the moment wit gnome-pilot 2.0.10. The memo stuff is
> > > > simply broken. Disable that conduit.
> > > > 
> > > > For the general connection issue try this: 
> > > > 1) Do NOT use the applet, remove it from the tray.
> > > > 2) open a shell and kill gpilotd. (You must be able to kill it.
> > > > Otherwise you don't use linux but some kind of windoze. Try killing it
> > > > by its process-id, i.e. "kill -9 1234" if 1234 is the id, you get that
> > > > number from "ps aux"
> > > > 3) after killing gpilotd start it by simply typing "gpilotd"
> > > > 4) send us the output. Maybe your connection settings are completely
> > > > wrong.
> > > > 5) try to connect and watch the shell. Evo doesn't have to be running
> > > > while you do all this, but it should work if evo runs. 
> > > > 
> > > > For the todo-crashes I have no idea, sorry.
> > > > 
> > > > Tell us more.
> > > > 
> > > > HtH
> > > > 
> > > > Lars 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 07:18, Daniel Brodie wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have been trying to get gnome-pilot to work with my Sony Clie with a
> > > > > usb sync. pilot-* and memos all work great (after a little tweaking ;)
> > > > > ).
> > > > > 
> > > > > gnome-pilot version: 2.0.10 from NyQuist repository on Redhat 9
> > > > > pilot-link version: 0.11.7 from redhat rawhide.
> > > > > 
> > > > > setting up the gpilot initially with Serial (didn't work with USB? Is
> > > > > this because its 'emulated' with serial in the visor module?) works. But
> > > > > after trying to set some conduits (Specifically, the test conduit, the
> > > > > evolution todo conduit, and the memo_files conduit, now the gpilotd
> > > > > froze and evolution crashs every time I try going into the todo folder.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Basicly my question is, are there conduits that I can try out that are
> > > > > known to work so I can test this to make sure it really works? I
> > > > > currently can't even kill -9 gpilotd! (I cant reboot curently but I will
> > > > > try to play with things again next time I can)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also, there was one time where the sync'ing didnt freeze (I believe only
> > > > > the test conduit was enabled) but instead nothing happened, except my
> > > > > palm complained that it couldnt connect. (the color on the applet didnt
> > > > > change either).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I would appiciate any help.
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > 	-Daniel
> > > > > 
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > 
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