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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:11:41 -0300
From: "Sylvia S?nchez " <lailahfsf gmail com>
To: gnome-themes-list gnome org, gnome-list gnome org, Ricardo Espinel
<ricardoespinel msn com>
Subject: RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
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I'm NOT an admirer of Che Guevara but I guess you don't understand
history neither war. Every soldier is a serial killer, do you say we
have to ban every image or icon of a soldier? A war is nothing more
than a killing in mass, do you say we have to ban every image or icon of
guns and military stuff? Do you think that the presidents and soldiers
you admire NEVER kill anybody? Really you do? Think it again. Every
president and every soldier who has been envolved in a war have blood in
their hands.
Read and LEARN about history. It will wide your sight and your points
of view. And then, may be, you will be able to distinguish between a
serial killer and a common soldier, and between dictator and a person
with wrong ideas.
Best wishes
Sylvia
El vie, 04-06-2010 a las 03:15 +0000, Ricardo Espinel escribi?:
So this is it.
I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a
great welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I
Please upload to Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi
party?
So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the
security of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the
dictators from afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush.
I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting
other people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted,
and there was neither apologies to the left nor right political
conditions.
Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought
be open for every single kind of people.
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From: sdebrum gmail com
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
To: yellowdropcase gmail com
CC: antonius iesus gmail com; gnome-themes-list gnome org;
gnome-list gnome org
Hi:
After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond
it.
First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you.
Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a
nice space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think
twice if people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure
many people feel this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of
people might think different than you.
Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books,
documentaries, movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just
check it.
(Movies: Che 1 and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books
like reminiscence of the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of
what was happening before and after the revolution. After learning
that I have become a great admirer of el che Guevara, I am sure you
will understand more things if too.
Thanks,
Silvina
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie
<yellowdropcase gmail com> wrote:
Dear Antonius,
I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we
go.
First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced...
The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara
is really going too far.
I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty
well made) but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the
Cuban (and latin-american) revolution, a thing that I don't
expect you to understand, I don't see a good reason for not
doing it.
Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you
certainly comes from a country that already wen't to a war,
the history is and has always been told by those who won the
wars. I don't expect you to call your president or war heroes
"serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In fact, we give
them glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives
they took.
A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately.
And the image of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of
the day the weak fought the strong and won. Won the right to
chose their own destiny. What you call
"socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird
_expression_) were once called "free world" even that today this
old dream is decaying.
I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of
the box and see that the world where you live is bigger and
has more people and cultures that you can imagine, so, respect
them.
Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world.
Best regards.
Thiago
2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com>
Hello all.
First of all let me congratulate to all of you who
make possible this
great project, Gnome.
I'm just a user and I would never have thought of
finding myself
writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found
myself morally
forced to do so.
A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my
desktop and
clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in
art.gnome site. Then,
in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta
siempre" (forever!) of
Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial
killers known in
the whole history of mankind and turned into one of
the biggest icons
of socialist totalitarianism.
Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made
me feel very sad,
as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the
place for that
kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the
place for showing
pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot,
Fidel Castro or any
kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way
Gnome is not the
place for finding any type of apology of criminal
ideologies.
I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have
not found any
e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second,
Gnome is a
community and as member of this community (as user and
occasional bug
reporter) I think I have the right to share this
thoughts with all of
you.
Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and
madder in these
chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so
difficult to just
have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In
my opinion that
image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not
be part of this
great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of
censorship or
political correctness, but just a sense of morality
and respect in the
things we do.
The links:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg
http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6
It has not been my intention to offend anyone.
Thanks for your time and kind regards.
God bless you.
Antonius Iesus.
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:11:40 +0300
From: ?????? <yystud gmail com>
To: gnome-themes-list gnome org
Subject: Re: gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3
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I agree that so strongly controversial issues should not find their way into
the main source of wallpapers for gnome desktops.
It doesn't matter who is right (how old are we?!), It simply isn't the right
place.
If someone want to promote an ideology, they should start their own website
and community, and they can invite people to join them.
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1. RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome (Ricardo Espinel)
2. Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome (Olav Vitters)
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:15:27 +0000
From: Ricardo Espinel <ricardoespinel msn com>
To: <sdebrum gmail com>, <antonius iesus gmail com>,
<gnome-themes-list gnome org>, <gnome-list gnome org>
Subject: RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
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So this is it.
I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a great
welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I Please upload to
Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi party?
So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the security
of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the dictators from
afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush.
I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting other
people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted, and there was
neither apologies to the left nor right political conditions.
Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought be
open for every single kind of people.
From: sdebrum gmail com
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
To: yellowdropcase gmail com
CC: antonius iesus gmail com; gnome-themes-list gnome org;
gnome-list gnome org
Hi:
After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond it.
First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you.
Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a nice
space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think twice if
people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure many people feel
this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of people might think different
than you.
Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books, documentaries,
movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just check it.(Movies: Che 1
and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books like reminiscence of
the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of what was happening before
and after the revolution. After learning that I have become a great admirer
of el che Guevara, I am sure you will understand more things if too.
Thanks,
Silvina
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie <yellowdropcase gmail com>
wrote:
Dear Antonius,
I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we go.
First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced...
The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara is really
going too far.
I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty well made)
but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the Cuban (and
latin-american) revolution, a thing that I don't expect you to understand, I
don't see a good reason for not doing it.
Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you certainly comes
from a country that already wen't to a war, the history is and has always
been told by those who won the wars. I don't expect you to call your
president or war heroes "serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In
fact, we give them glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives
they took.
A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately. And the image
of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of the day the weak fought the
strong and won. Won the right to chose their own destiny. What you call
"socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird _expression_) were
once called "free world" even that today this old dream is decaying.
I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of the box and
see that the world where you live is bigger and has more people and cultures
that you can imagine, so, respect them.
Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world.
Best regards.
Thiago
2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com>
Hello all.
First of all let me congratulate to all of you who make possible this
great project, Gnome.
I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself
writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally
forced to do so.
A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and
clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then,
in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of
Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in
the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons
of socialist totalitarianism.
Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad,
as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that
kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing
pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any
kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the
place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies.
I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any
e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a
community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug
reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of
you.
Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and madder in these
chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so difficult to just
have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In my opinion that
image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not be part of this
great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of censorship or
political correctness, but just a sense of morality and respect in the
things we do.
The links:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg
http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6
It has not been my intention to offend anyone.
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:39:07 +0200
From: Olav Vitters <olav vitters nl>
To: Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com>
Cc: board-list gnome org, gnome-themes-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
Message-ID: <20100604073907 GB10523 bkor dhs org>
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On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 08:38:04PM +0200, Antonius Iesus wrote:
I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself
writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally
forced to do so.
Understood. Still, please stick to one mailing list only
(gnome-themes-list). I've ensured it only appears on gnome-themes-list
fwiw.
A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and
clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then,
in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of
Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in
the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons
of socialist totalitarianism.
Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad,
as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that
kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing
pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any
kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the
place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies.
I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any
e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a
community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug
reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of
you.
There are no 'administrators of GNOME'. Anyway, I've cc'ed the board.
board: full reference to the current thread (different opinions, etc):
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2010-June/msg00000.html
Thanks for your time and kind regards.
God bless you.
Antonius Iesus.
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From: Olav Vitters <olav vitters nl>
To: Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com>
Cc: board-list gnome org, gnome-themes-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
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On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 08:38:04PM +0200, Antonius Iesus wrote:
I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself
writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally
forced to do so.
Understood. Still, please stick to one mailing list only
(gnome-themes-list). I've ensured it only appears on gnome-themes-list
fwiw.
A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and
clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then,
in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of
Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in
the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons
of socialist totalitarianism.
Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad,
as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that
kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing
pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any
kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the
place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies.
I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any
e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a
community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug
reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of
you.
There are no 'administrators of GNOME'. Anyway, I've cc'ed the board.
board: full reference to the current thread (different opinions, etc):
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2010-June/msg00000.html
The links:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg
http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6
--
Regards,
Olav
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Hi,
I
read along here from Germany. I find it
incredible how they represent Hitler, who is a huge criminals. It is also double murder
or murder if I order you run the command because he refused soldier is
shot, not the general
You
are very arrogant here, because I am also a Chue gevara has no business
here, and that because it tackles the political issues of wrong is
better in your little pictures that you have been doing very well.
Did I leave the list, thanks,
this
conversation about criminals and war is very daring
on
this basis is now so weitergemacht still.
It
is a pity that I leave now so out of this list must, but I'm wrong here!
DIOTIMA
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