Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] I want my users advice

[Lauchlin Wilkinson <lauchlin_list intas net au>]

Ok...i think neither of us are going to agree 100% on this...lets just 
say I have a vertical toolbar fetish and therefore do not see the need 
to remove the toolbar ... :o) As a creature of habit (i.e. a human) I 
am used to the way the current gnome meeting works..and associates of 
mine that are definately not elite computer users...or even power users 
had no problems using it..as it stands I think even my Grandmother could 
use gnomemeeting (if I showed her how to use a mouse first).

Have great weekend everyone,

Lauchlin

Christian Rose wrote:

> lör 2002-02-02 klockan 01.39 skrev OverrideX:
>
> > > The grouping of the buttons surely is something that is desirable and
> > > that should be done -- it just shouldn't be done by introducing a new
> > > kind of toolbar. There's no need to; the grouping can be accomplished by
> > > adding a separator to the existing toolbar. You also won't find vertical
> > > toolbars in any other GNOME application (at least I can't remember one),
> > > and in this aspect GnomeMeeting breaks consistency.
> > > There are a lot of potential controls that would make more effective use
> > > of the free space, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are
> > > desirable.
> > First of all, the buttons that are there are all very useful to most
> > users, and if usability is the issue, removing them would just make life
> > a few clicks longer for those that use those buttons.
>
> I don't believe that anyone is using GnomeMeeting primarily because they
> want to modify GnomeMeetings settings. The only button I suggested
> removal of was the Preferences button, which is not part of the main
> functions of GnomeMeeting. Noone is using GnomeMeeting just to be able
> to configure GnomeMeeting...
>
>
>
> > If more buttons
> > are added to the top horizontal toolbar it will take away from the size
> > of the address field
>
> How come? I don't see why that would necessarily be true. At least not
> noticably.
>
>
>
> > and you will no longer be able to see the entire
> > ip/hostname you're entering to call, unless the program is made even
> > wider, causing even more wasted space to the sides of the video.  With
> > the set size of the video for gnomemeeting and the length of the current
> > horizontal toolbar it creates that small space on the side of the video
> > for the vertical toolbar, and the buttons on it are of use to many
> > people.
>
> Maybe many, but probably not most. Certainly not when it comes to the
> Preferences button, which was the only button I suggested for removal.
>
>
>
> > If some people are unable to use an application because they
> > become confused by too many buttons, or because it doesn't look like a
> > generic gtk application maybe the vertical toolbar should toggle. 
>
> All people are confused by too many buttons. That's a basic aspect of
> the cognitive process of watching an area, you have to realize and
> figure out what's shown. Then maybe you automatically come to the
> conclusion that "this thing/button is not of any interest to me, what
> else is here to see", but the situation is still that too many buttons
> or controls adds visual noise that confuses all of us, whether we
> realize it or not. You can try this out by opening a random app without
> watching, then watch for half a second, and then try to remember what
> interesting buttons were there. Even if the same number of interesting
> buttons are present in both an application with many toolbar buttons and
> one with only a few, you will have more trouble remembering them in the
> application with many buttons, simply because there was more information
> to parse in that limited timeframe.
>
> Nevertheless, this thread was more about the need for a vertical toolbar
> than unneeded buttons. But even if GnomeMeeting has few buttons, it has
> more than should be (see the Preferences button), and more buttons add
> clutter. Also, there is no good reason for the toolbar to be vertical,
> it could just as easily be a horizontal one. If two horizontal toolbars
> are too much to show at once, then the second one can be hidden by
> default (I think it should be). But I still like the one toolbar
> approach better.
>
>
> Christian
>
>
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