Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] MS netmeeting
- From: Damien Sandras <dsandras seconix com>
- To: gnomemeeting-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] MS netmeeting
- Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:46:51 +0100
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 11:34:49AM -0500, Ryan Leduc wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Damien Sandras spake thusly:
>
> >
> > I'm seeing some weird things that could explain the problem :
> > - in the first logs, you are sending about 600 packets to the remote, but
> > only receiving 10. I don't think it is normal that you receive only 10
> > packets.
> > - in the last logs, there are 122 lost packets. I really think of a connection
> > problem between you and the guy. Probably a router dropping packets ?
>
> Even if there are packets being lost, shouldn't that just cause
> sound/picture to freeze?
Im not sure.
>
> Packet loss is a normal fact of the internet. It happens. That shouldn't
> cause a disconnection. Shouldn't they be waitinf for an explicit
> dosconnect signal not just give up if the ride is bumpy?
>
Receiving 6 packets when you are transmitting 600+ packets is not a normal
fact of the internet, fortunately. However, Ill transmit your complaint to
Equivalence, perhaps will they have a better advice than me.
> > Is it possible for you to test from GM to GM with the same person? Or probably
> > test from GM to OpenPhone (OpenPhone is a free H.323 application for windows
> > that is also using the H.323 stack from Equivalence).
>
> The person doesn't have linux, or we'd just be using gm. I can look into
> openPhone. My friend isn't technical (law student), so the interface
> would have to be simple.
>
> Ryan
>
> >
> > Thanks for feedback.
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 07:03:51PM -0500, Ryan Leduc wrote:
> > >
> > > I tried to connect again. The other person was using netmeeting 3.01
> > > (4.4.3385)
> > >
> > > Attached is gmdebug with some infor from running --debug
> > >
> > > When i did a redirect (>) to file, the debug info didn't switch. I forgot
> > > the tcsh command to redirect the error stream and didn't have time to look
> > > it up.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, I was only able to get the last few screens after the disconnect.
> > > Hope that helps.
> > >
> > > I did three tries: 1) no limit, 2)limit 30frames/sec 3) limit
> > > 10frames/sec
> > >
> > > all disconnect after a few minutes
> > >
> > > Ryan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Damien Sandras spake thusly:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 01:17:12PM -0500, Ryan Leduc wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You would think an internet application would be more robust than that.
> > > >
> > > > It is OpenSource. Feel free to send patches to improve the OpenH323 stack and/or GnomeMeeting. All patches are of course welcome!!
> > > >
> > > > gnomemeeting --debug will give you a log
> > > > Can you report it here if you find interesting things?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a more verbose logging method for gm (and a log file)
> > > > > that I could use that might give enough info to find out what went wrong?
> > > > > I wouldn't be able to try for a week, though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ryan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Damien Sandras spake thusly:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Packet loss between you and him ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 11:53:07AM -0500, Ryan Leduc wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm having trouble connecting to someone using MS netmeeting (winME)
> > > > > > > I'm using gm 0.84.0-3
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We connect allright, but after about a minute, we get disconnected.
> > > > > > > We reconnected, and then got disconnected again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ryan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ryan Leduc
> > > > > > > Assistant Professor Email: leduc McMaster ca
> > > > > > > Dept. of Computing and Software Tel: 905-525-9140 Ext. 27962
> > > > > > > Faculty of Engineering Fax: 905-524-0340
> > > > > > > McMaster University, Office: ITB/162
> > > > > > > Hamilton, Ontario Canada L8S 4K1 http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~leduc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ---- "Most of the time in our world, truth is just opinion." - M. Ondaatje
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > Gnomemeeting-list gnome org
> > > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomemeeting-list
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Ryan Leduc
> > > > > Assistant Professor Email: leduc McMaster ca
> > > > > Dept. of Computing and Software Tel: 905-525-9140 Ext. 27962
> > > > > Faculty of Engineering Fax: 905-524-0340
> > > > > McMaster University, Office: ITB/162
> > > > > Hamilton, Ontario Canada L8S 4K1 http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~leduc
> > > > >
> > > > > ---- "Most of the time in our world, truth is just opinion." - M. Ondaatje
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Gnomemeeting-list mailing list
> > > > > Gnomemeeting-list gnome org
> > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomemeeting-list
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Ryan Leduc
> > > Assistant Professor Email: leduc McMaster ca
> > > Dept. of Computing and Software Tel: 905-525-9140 Ext. 27962
> > > Faculty of Engineering Fax: 905-524-0340
> > > McMaster University, Office: ITB/162
> > > Hamilton, Ontario Canada L8S 4K1 http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~leduc
> > >
> > > ---- "Most of the time in our world, truth is just opinion." - M. Ondaatje
> > >
> >
> > > gnomemeeting --debug
> > > 0:02.575 H323 Listener:814c078 H323 Awaiting TCP connections on port 1720
> > > 0:02.580 H323 Listener:814c078 TCP Waiting on socket accept on ip$*:1720
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.067 0.043
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.131 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.195 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.259 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.323 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.387 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.429 0.042
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.493 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.557 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.621 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.685 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.728 0.043
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.793 0.065
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.856 0.063
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 58.920 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0
> > > 58.
> > >
> > > 84 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.027 0.043
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.090 0.063
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.155 0.065
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.218 0.063
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.282 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.346 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.389 0.043
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.453 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.517 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.581 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.645 0.064
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.688 0.043
> > > Out 291892549 0 Empty 0 59.752 0.064
> > >
> > > 9:27.397 H323 Cleaner RTP_UDP Session 1, Shutting down read.
> > > 9:27.397 H323 Cleaner RTP_UDP Session 1, Shutting down write.
> > > 9:27.397 H323 Cleaner RTP Final statistics:
> > > packetsSent = 852
> > > octetsSent = 204480
> > > averageSendTime = 29
> > > maximumSendTime = 64
> > > minimumSendTime = 0
> > > packetsReceived = 9
> > > octetsReceived = 4320
> > > packetsLost = 0
> > > packetsTooLate = 0
> > > packetsOutOfOrder = 0
> > > averageReceiveTime= 0
> > > maximumReceiveTime= 0
> > > minimumReceiveTime= 0
> > > jitter = 3
> > > 9:27.397 H323 Cleaner H323 Bandwidth request: -64.0kb/s, available: 10064.0kb/s
> > > 9:27.397 H323 Cleaner H225 Sending release complete PDU: callRef=7028
> > > 9:27.402 H323 Cleaner H225 Sending PDU:
> > > {
> > > q931pdu = {
> > > protocolDiscriminator = 8
> > > callReference = 7028
> > > from = destination
> > > messageType = ReleaseComplete
> > > IE: User-User = {
> > > 25 c0 06 00 08 91 4a 00 04 58 08 11 00 c5 e3 64 %À....J..X...Åãd
> > > f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 00 04 5a 96 8b cc 02 80 01 ñ.3Ö..y..Z..Ì...
> > > 00 .
> > > }
> > > }
> > > h225pdu = {
> > > h323_uu_pdu = {
> > > h323_message_body = releaseComplete {
> > > protocolIdentifier = 0.0.8.2250.0.4
> > > reason = undefinedReason <<null>>
> > > callIdentifier = {
> > > guid = 16 octets {
> > > c5 e3 64 f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 00 04 5a 96 8b cc Åãdñ 3Ö y Z Ì
> > > }
> > > }
> > > }
> > > h245Tunneling = FALSE
> > > }
> > > }
> > > }
> > > 08 02 9b 74 5a 7e 00 22 05 25 c0 06 00 08 91 4a ...tZ~.".%À....J
> > > 00 04 58 08 11 00 c5 e3 64 f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 ..X...Åãdñ.3Ö..y
> > > 00 04 5a 96 8b cc 02 80 01 00 ..Z..Ì....
> > > 9:27.404 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 9:27.404 H225 Answer:80f5ee8 H225 Read error (4): Interrupted system call
> > > 9:27.404 H225 Answer:80f5ee8 H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 9:27.404 H225 Answer:80f5ee8 H225 Signal channel closed.
> > > 9:30.071 H323 Cleaner H323
> > > H323Transport::CleanUpOnTermination for H225
> > >
> > > Answer:80f5ee8
> > > 9:30.071 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 9:30.071 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::CleanUpOnTermination for H245:8179118
> > > 9:30.071 H323 Cleaner H323 Connection ip$132.203.107.124:1449/7028 terminated.
> > > 9:30.159 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: G.711-uLaw-64k{sw} <1>
> > > 9:30.159 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: G.711-ALaw-64k{sw} <2>
> > > 9:30.159 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: MS-GSM{sw} <3>
> > > 9:30.160 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: LPC-10{sw} <4>
> > > 9:30.160 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: GSM-06.10{sw} <5>
> > > 9:30.160 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: H.261-QCIF <6>
> > > 9:30.160 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: H.261-CIF <7>
> > > 9:30.249 H323 Cleaner H323 Connection ip$132.203.107.124:1449/7028 deleted.
> > >
> > >
> > > \
> > >
> > > ---- 2nd try limiting to frames 0f 30/sec
> > >
> > >
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.068 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.111 0.043
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.175 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.239 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.303 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.367 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.431 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.474 0.043
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.538 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.604 0.066
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.666 0.062
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.730 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.772 0.042
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.836 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.900 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 57.964 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.028 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.071 0.043
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.135 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.199 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.263 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.327 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.391 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.434 0.043
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.498 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.562 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.626 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.690 0.064
> > > Out 293579933 0 Empty 0 58.7
> > > 32 0.042
> > >
> > > 12:22.854 H323 Cleaner RTP_UDP Session 1, Shutting down read.
> > > 12:22.854 H323 Cleaner RTP_UDP Session 1, Shutting down write.
> > > 12:22.854 H323 Cleaner RTP Final statistics:
> > > packetsSent = 582
> > > octetsSent = 139680
> > > averageSendTime = 30
> > > maximumSendTime = 66
> > > minimumSendTime = 0
> > > packetsReceived = 8
> > > octetsReceived = 3840
> > > packetsLost = 1
> > > packetsTooLate = 0
> > > packetsOutOfOrder = 0
> > > averageReceiveTime= 0
> > > maximumReceiveTime= 0
> > > minimumReceiveTime= 0
> > > jitter = 15
> > > 12:22.855 H323 Cleaner H323 Bandwidth request: -64.0kb/s, available: 10064.0kb/s
> > > 12:22.855 H323 Cleaner H225 Sending release complete PDU: callRef=7029
> > > 12:22.856 H323 Cleaner H225 Sending PDU:
> > > {
> > > q931pdu = {
> > > protocolDiscriminator = 8
> > > callReference = 7029
> > > from = destination
> > > messageType = ReleaseComplete
> > >
> > > IE: User-User = {
> > > 25 c0 06 00 08 91 4a 00 04 58 08 11 00 c7 e3 64 %À....J..X...Çãd
> > > f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 00 04 5a 96 8b cc 02 80 01 ñ.3Ö..y..Z..Ì...
> > > 00 .
> > > }
> > > }
> > > h225pdu = {
> > > h323_uu_pdu = {
> > > h323_message_body = releaseComplete {
> > > protocolIdentifier = 0.0.8.2250.0.4
> > > reason = undefinedReason <<null>>
> > > callIdentifier = {
> > > guid = 16 octets {
> > > c7 e3 64 f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 00 04 5a 96 8b cc Çãdñ 3Ö y Z Ì
> > > }
> > > }
> > > }
> > > h245Tunneling = FALSE
> > > }
> > > }
> > > }
> > > 08 02 9b 75 5a 7e 00 22 05 25 c0 06 00 08 91 4a ...uZ~.".%À....J
> > > 00 04 58 08 11 00 c7 e3 64 f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 ..X...Çãdñ.3Ö..y
> > > 00 04 5a 96 8b cc 02 80 01 00 ..Z..Ì....
> > > 12:22.860 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 12:22.860 H225 Answer:818b9a8 H225 Read error (4): Interrupted system call
> > > 12:22.860 H225 Answer:818b9a8 H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 12:22.860 H225 Answer:818b9a8 H225 Signal channel closed.
> > > 12:24.223 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::CleanUpOnTermination for H225 Answer:818b9a8
> > > 12:24.223 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 12:24.223 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::CleanUpOnTermination for H245:8187ad8
> > > 12:24.223 H323 Cleaner H323 Connection ip$132.203.107.124:1454/7029 terminated.
> > > 12:24.309 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: G.711-uLaw-64k{sw} <1>
> > > 12:24.309 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: G.711-ALaw-64k{sw} <2>
> > > 12:24.309 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: MS-GSM{sw} <3>
> > > 12:24.309 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: LPC-10{sw} <4>
> > > 12:24.309 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: GSM-06.10{sw} <5>
> > > 12:24.309 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: H.261-QCIF <6>
> > > 12:24.309 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: H.261-CIF <7>
> > > 12:24.399 H323 Cleaner H323 Connection ip$132.203.107.124:1454/7029 deleted.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- no 245 tunnelling
> > >
> > > I/O 301485790 480 480 1 0 48.411 0.006 48.490 0.060 0.079
> > > Out 301485790 0 Empty 0 48.532 0.042
> > > I/O 301486750 960 960 PreBuf Late 0 0 48.539 0.128 48.596 0.064 0.057
> > > I/O 301487230 480 480 0 0 48.609 0.070 48.660 0.064 0.051
> > > I/O 301487710 480 480 0 0 48.663 0.054 48.724 0.064 0.061
> > > I/O 301488190 480 480 0 0 48.749 0.086 48.788 0.064 0.039
> > > I/O 301488670 480 480 0 0 48.793 0.044 48.831 0.043 0.038
> > > Out 301488670 0 Empty 0 48.900 0.069
> > > I/O 301489150 480 480 PreBuf PreBuf 0 1 48.939 0.146 48.959 0.059 0.020
> > > Out 301489150 0 1 49.023 0.064
> > > I/O 301490110 960 960 PreBuf Late 1 1 49.019 0.080 49.087 0.064 0.068
> > > I/O 301490590 480 480 1 1 49.037 0.018 49.130 0.043 0.093
> > > I/O 301491070 480 480 1 1 49.101 0.064 49.194 0.064 0.093
> > > I/O 301491550 480 480 1 1 49.132 0.031 49.258 0.064 0.126
> > > I/O 301492030 480 480 1 0 49.204 0.072 49.322 0.064 0.118
> > > I/O 301492990 960 960 Late 0 0 49.339 0.135 49.386 0.064 0.047
> > > I/O 301493950 960 960 Late 0 0 49.437 0.098 49.450 0.064 0.013
> > > Out 301493950 0 Empty 0 49.492 0.042
> > > I/O 301494430 480 480 PreBuf PreBuf 0 1 49.506 0.069 49.556 0.064 0.050
> > > Out 301494430 0 PreBuf 1 49.620 0.064
> > > Out 301494430 0 1 49.684 0.064
> > > I/O 301495390 960 960 PreBuf Late 1 1 49.653 0.147 49.748 0.064 0.095
> > > I/O 301495870 480 480 1 1 49.743 0.090 49.791 0.043 0.048
> > > I/O 301496350 480 480 1 0 49.757 0.014 49.855 0.064 0.098
> > > Out 301496350 0 Empty 0 49.919 0.064
> > > I/O 301497790 1440 1440 PreBuf Late 0 0 49.936 0.179 49.983 0.064 0.047
> > > I/O 301498270 480 480 0 0 50.002 0.066 50.047 0.064 0.045
> > > In 301498750 480 0 50.087 0.085
> > >
> > >
> > > 26:10.442 H323 Cleaner RTP_UDP Session 1, Shutting down read.
> > > 26:10.442 H323 Cleaner RTP_UDP Session 1, Shutting down write.
> > > 26:10.442 H323 Cleaner RTP Final statistics:
> > > packetsSent = 57
> > > octetsSent = 13680
> > > averageSendTime = 0
> > > maximumSendTime = 0
> > > minimumSendTime = 0
> > > packetsReceived = 611
> > > octetsReceived = 293280
> > > packetsLost = 122
> > > packetsTooLate = 0
> > > packetsOutOfOrder = 0
> > > averageReceiveTime= 62
> > > maximumReceiveTime= 160
> > > minimumReceiveTime= 6
> > > jitter = 40
> > > 26:10.442 H323 Cleaner H323 Bandwidth request: -64.0kb/s, available: 10064.0kb/s
> > > 26:10.442 H323 Cleaner H225 Sending release complete PDU: callRef=7034
> > > 26:10.443 H323 Cleaner H225 Sending PDU:
> > > {
> > > q931pdu = {
> > > protocolDiscriminator = 8
> > > callReference = 7034
> > > from = destination
> > > messageType = ReleaseComplete
> > > IE: User-User = {
> > > 25 c0 06 00 08 91 4a 00 04 58 08 11 00 cd e3 64 %À....J..X...Íãd
> > > f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 00 04 5a 96 8b cc 02 80 01 ñ.3Ö..y..Z..Ì...
> > > 00 .
> > > }
> > > }
> > > h225pdu = {
> > > h323_uu_pdu = {
> > > h323_message_body = releaseComplete {
> > > protocolIdentifier = 0.0.8.2250.0.4
> > > reason = undefinedReason <<null>>
> > > callIdentifier = {
> > > guid = 16 octets {
> > > cd e3 64 f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 00 04 5a 96 8b cc Íãdñ 3Ö y Z Ì
> > > }
> > > }
> > > }
> > > h245Tunneling = FALSE
> > > }
> > > }
> > > }
> > > 08 02 9b 7a 5a 7e 00 22 05 25 c0 06 00 08 91 4a ...zZ~.".%À....J
> > > 00 04 58 08 11 00 cd e3 64 f1 8b 33 d6 11 88 79 ..X...Íãdñ.3Ö..y
> > > 00 04 5a 96 8b cc 02 80 01 00 ..Z..Ì....
> > > 26:10.445 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 26:10.445 H225 Answer:81b5240 H225 Read error (4): Interrupted system call
> > > 26:10.445 H225 Answer:81b5240 H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 26:10.445 H225 Answer:81b5240 H225 Signal channel closed.
> > > 26:12.081 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::CleanUpOnTermination for H225 Answer:81b5240
> > > 26:12.082 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::Close
> > > 26:12.082 H323 Cleaner H323 H323Transport::CleanUpOnTermination for H245:8189590
> > > 26:12.082 H323 Cleaner H323 Connection ip$132.203.107.124:1462/7034 terminated.
> > > 26:12.169 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: G.711-uLaw-64k{sw} <1>
> > > 26:12.169 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: G.711-ALaw-64k{sw} <2>
> > > 26:12.169 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: MS-GSM{sw} <3>
> > > 26:12.169 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: LPC-10{sw} <4>
> > > 26:12.169 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: GSM-06.10{sw} <5>
> > > 26:12.169 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: H.261-QCIF <6>
> > > 26:12.170 H323 Cleaner H323 Added capability: H.261-CIF <7>
> > > 26:12.259 H323 Cleaner H323 Connection ip$132.203.107.124:1462/7034 deleted.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Ryan Leduc
> Assistant Professor Email: leduc McMaster ca
> Dept. of Computing and Software Tel: 905-525-9140 Ext. 27962
> Faculty of Engineering Fax: 905-524-0340
> McMaster University, Office: ITB/162
> Hamilton, Ontario Canada L8S 4K1 http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~leduc
>
> ---- "Most of the time in our world, truth is just opinion." - M. Ondaatje
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Gnomemeeting-list mailing list
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> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomemeeting-list
>
--
_ Damien Sandras
(o- GnomeMeeting - H.323 Video-Conferencing application -
//\ web: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/
v_/_ FOSDEM 2002 - Free Software and Open Source Developers Meeting -
web: http://www.fosdem.org/
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