Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] [PATCH] No audio feedback in 0.98 config druid!!!

[Chris Rankin <rankincj yahoo com>]

 --- Christopher Warner <zanee kernelcode com> wrote:
> a) Lets forget OSS or ALSA the source for these
> drivers are available at
> opensource.creative.com they are available in the
> linux kernel via
> module or direct kernel access. Such as the ALSA
> drivers.

What on Earth has that got to do with anything? I have
a choice between ALSA and OSS, and I've chosen ALSA
for BOTH of the sound devices in this machine because
that is the best choice for them BOTH. Yes, I have two
sound devices in this machine. No, I didn't mention
that before because it's not relevant to gnomemeeting.
And if you're going to suggest removing the second
sound device just for the "honour" of using
gnomemeeting then I will have no choice but to laugh
at you.

To summarise:
- my Linux box has a SB-Live! card, and another
soundcard which ISN'T an SB-Live!
- I use ALSA, not OSS
- get over it.

> b) If you want help with your problem it's usually a
> good idea to know what you are using.. You already
> specified what soundcard and drivers you were using.
> If you don't want help with your problem. Don't post
> to this list.

If you'd *read* my posts properly then you'd have
realised that I *wasn't* asking for your help. I was
actually trying to help *you* by describing a
real-world problem that I had encountered, which had
resulted in an EXTREMELY UNPLEASANT end-user
experience. I had even gone to the trouble of
diagnosing it myself and providing a patch.

How stupid of me. What a *waste* of my time.

> > > I agree with the second solution. Not that ALSA
> > > isn't important but I believe a lot of people
> > > aren't aware that the OSS drivers in the kernel
> > > are better including full midi support.
> > 
> > Another "ivory-tower" theorist. In other words
> > "It's not our problem when he can completely
> > reconfigure his box instead. (And recompile his
> > kernel, if necessary)."
> 
> Please stop with the sillyness, I responded to this
> in my earlier post. I mean if you have Alsa it's the
> same thing according to alsa documentation.

You are referring to the soundcore multiplexor. Of
course, that doesn't actually provide any sound card
functionality. It's just a way for ALSA's OSS
compatibility layer to provide device nodes.

> > Let me repeat: the feedback problem made it
> > IMPOSSIBLE for me to perform the audio test. That
> > ALONE should demonstrate that doing nothing is not
> > a solution.
> 
> > It is very possible that this problem will happen
> > with another card for which there is no native OSS
> > driver. The fact that there is for the SB-Live is
> > merely a coincidence.
> 
> The problem is something I pointed out in another
> post.. You claim to be using OSS emulation but not
an
> OSS interface.  That is why it did what it did.

Nope, you've misunderstood again. I *AM* using the OSS
emulation. I know - I put it there.

> Yes it can happen with any other card where the
> environment is incorrectly setup.

Except that my box is *not* incorrectly set up.

> We must account for such environments and you've
made
> suggestions, I like them.. you are free to send
> patches that show this functionality. You're also
> free to wait until they are applied;

Yes, I came to this list in a *constructive* frame of
mind... How nice of you to notice.

> you aren't free to bitch about it here however.

An end user provides constructive criticism and you
call it 'bitching'??

> > And FYI, the SBLive! ALSA drivers support MIDI
> > just fine.
> 
> No they don't; more about that here
>
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php3?company=Creative+Labs&card=Soundblaster+Live&chip=EMU10K1&module=emu10k1

This link says that MIDI doesn't work on the Live
**Drive**, not on the Live!. The Live Drive is an
add-on device. I don't own one. However, wavetable
MIDI works fine on my machine, and has done for years.

> including a host of other problems not reported
> because the majority
> have already been reported on sourceforge at
> http://www.sourceforge.net/

The PCI card has been revised many times over the
years. My particular revision works fine. The ALSA
developers are concerned with all revisions, of
course.

This will be my last post on this subject. I came here
with an honest suggestion for a real problem, and all
I have found is a complete disregard for the end-user
that verges on what can only be described as
'contempt'. I have better things to do than be
patronised, lectured, and called either incompetent or
a liar. And like it says in the subject line, I
already *have* a patch.

Sincerely,
Chris



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