Re: Outdated win32 bundle

[Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi gmail com>]

Hey;

On 11 June 2015 at 14:19, Ignacio Casal Quinteiro <nacho resa gmail com> wrote:
> For the record following Emmanuele mail,
> you can find an example on how to create an installer
> for your application using msys2 here:
>
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/tree/win32

We really need to get a GTK-based installer, so you guys can stop
using the Competition. ;-)

Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi gmail com> wrote:
> > Hi;
> >
> > On 11 June 2015 at 13:44, anatoly techtonik <techtonik gmail com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > The current stance of everyone involved in the Windows backend for
> > > > GLib and GTK+ is to stop advertising binary builds for Windows — as we
> > > > don't do that for any other platform, and nobody sticks around long
> > > > enough to keep doing that or to set up a continuous integration build
> > > > for GTK.
> > >
> > > Stop advertising == stop supporting?
> >
> > If I wanted to say "stop supporting", I would have said that. Not that
> > we *ever* "supported" binary builds, on any platform. If you want
> > commercial support, you should contract somebody.
> >
> > Currently, we advertise ad hoc Windows builds on gtk.org; those are
> > out of date, and lack many of the bug fixes that went into GTK. This
> > situation is confusing for application developers, and makes the
> > project look bad. It also reflect badly on the great work that
> > developers have been doing in order to make GTK work well on Windows.
> >
> > On top of that, we don't offer binary builds for any other platform,
> > and instead rely on distributors — like Homebrew on Mac; the *BSD
> > ports; or the various Linux distributions — to provide binary builds
> > for them. Windows is an anomaly, mostly because there weren't
> > good/usable software distributions in the past. This has now changed,
> > and it's a good thing to ensure that developers on Windows get
> > reliable, up to date software.
> >
> > > > Developers using the G* core platform libraries on Windows are
> > > > strongly encouraged to use the MSYS2 distribution:
> > > >
> > > >   https://msys2.github.io/
> > >
> > > Like Git? Ship 200Mb of "additional value" on top? Just for comparison
> > > Mercurial installation is 37Mb compared with 267Mb of Git. And that for
> > > every GTK application?
> >
> > MSYS2 is for developers, not for end users.
> >
> > You're supposed to set up the development enviroment on *your*
> > development machine(s); once you have built your application, you can
> > take your binary artefacts, including the DLLs you depend on, put them
> > into an installer, and let your users download the installer — which
> > is exactly what you should have done in the past, even with pre-built
> > DLLs. The intended change is for application developers to get
> > pre-built, up to date binaries using MSYS2, instead of downloading zip
> > files from gtk.org that we cannot reliably keep up to date.
> >
> > Telling your users to download your application; download DLLs from
> > gtk.org; shove them into some directory; and, finally, hope for the
> > best, was never a good software distribution mechanism.
> >
> > > > This will provide you with pre-built packages that are known to work
> > > > and maintained. It also allows you to build your own packages on top
> > > > of it, and create an installer from the result.
> > >
> > > Can GTK be cross-compiled for Windows?
> >
> > Yes, it can, and it routinely is.
> >
> > > > What the GTK team would love, on the other hand, is somebody putting
> > > > the effort in setting up and maintaining a continuous integration
> > > > service — similar to https://build.gnome.org — for Windows builds.
> > > > This way we would be able to catch build regressions after every
> > > > commit, without relying on the application developers to file bugs.
> > >
> > > http://www.appveyor.com/ if using closed source service is okay.
> >
> > No, it's really not — especially if it has to run on the gnome.org
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > Ciao,
> >  Emmanuele.
> >
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> Ignacio Casal Quinteiro



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