RE: Java-Gnome 0.8.1

[Murray Cumming Comneon com]

> From: Arnaud Charlet [mailto:charlet ACT-Europe FR] 
> > I stand by my arguments.
> 
> Well, what about the following: up to now, nobody has even 
> started to agree with your position, and on the other side, 
> there have been several people working on different bindings 
> expressing their concerns on such a strong position, and 
> simply asking for some flexibility.
> 
> You cannot demand that existing bindings that have their 
> existing community and their existing packaging suddenyl 
> change the way their binding is packaged, and expect the 
> users not to rightfully complain about parts that are now 
> "missing" because they have to be downloaded and installed separately.

I don't think that that is the end of the world. As I said "people want to
see us jump through hoops". They don't just want to see some bindings
rubber-stamped by some self-appointed beaurocrats. I expect to see bindings
improved by this process.

> You can of course continue to argue that you are right and 
> everybody else is wrong, but either you need to find other 
> people to back up your position, or nobody will follow you 
> and what you are trying to achieve will fail.

Yes, I understand that. And I am saying that I don't see the point of doing
it unless it's done right. Anybody is free to lead this if they think it's
worth doing according to other rules. I'm not personally interesting in
doing something that I don't think is worthwhile.

We need to present a simple, clear, message. Anything else will lead to
confusion and accusations that we are not in fact living up to our rules.
This release set would exist precisly in order to make it easy for people to
believe in something. If they can't believe then there's no point.

Murray Cumming
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