Re: Proposals...

[Nils Faerber <nils faerber kernelconcepts de>]

Mike Turquette schrieb:
> Nils,
Hello Mike!

Good to hear from you!
I alread feared I would be writing to the wring list address ;)

> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Nils Faerber
> <nils faerber kernelconcepts de> wrote:
>> So are there any concerns about it?
>> Is it generally not welcome? Are the ideas bad?
>> Did I miss anything?
> I think your ideas are sane and a step in the right direction.
> Getting some media attention to real GNOME Mobile development (as
> opposed to hype) is absolutely necessary for a software stack to
> succeed in the mobile space.

OK, great, so +1 for the awareness thesis :)

>> I am a little bit concerned and frankly frustrated about the lack of
>> feedback.
>> Is it reluctance? Being afraid? Ignorance?
> I for one simply don't know enough about GNOME Mobile to say much.

That's what I suspected and this is exactly what we need to change urgently.
All knowledge starts with realising that you don't know. So this is
already a vital achievement to point out that there is obviously
knowledge missing among the members.

> There seems to be development that goes on concerning GNOME Mobile,
> but since it is not advertised and not explained very well then I only
> know what I know, and that mostly comes from some light development of
> embedded ARM distros using OpenEmbedded (the best example of real-life
> GNOME Mobile usage in my limited opinion).

Right.

> No one can tell you what they don't know.  What is needed is for the

He ;)
For the current state I am already very happy that you second my
suspicion that there is only little knowledge.

> developers of any component they consider to be "mobile" to step up
> and announce themselves.  This list would be a good place to start.

Right.
Or even if the developers do not do that themselves it could be one of
the tasks for Gnome/mobile to aggregate such information and put it on
display.

> Going back to the OpenEmbedded mention, perhaps the OE community
> (Poky, Angstrom, etc) can be asked to generate some fanfare or at
> least some hyperlinks to gnome.org/mobile as advertisement.  This can
> be asked of other players like Moblin and Maemo as well.  We need to
> show that real projects use this stuff.

Yes, that would be good.
But on the otehr side, I would currently not want big fuzz poiting to
the current old and stale site/page. Once we have the above mentioned
developer news and status in place it could be worth to generate more
traffic.

> All of the above projects use GM to some extent, but that leads your
> point below:
> 
>> From the talks I had with some participants after the session I had the
>> impresison that there is interest but that the fuzzyness of the project
>> also results in hesitation to speak up.
>>
>> So, maybe this helps:
>>        I do not know it either!
>>        But I am willing to improve the situation :)
> 
> Good point!  Is it simply a reduced-size GNOME Desktop with a few
> rewritten components to accommodate restricted resources (ie,
> eds-dbus, matchbox wm) or does it include new ways of doing core
> things (ie, hildon) and does it even include a suite of apps (ie,
> pimlico)?

For me it is kind of both, the embedded/mobile tailored base component
enabling new usescases, e.g. Hildon/Maemo would have been pretty hard to
imlement without tailored components at hand, but this does not
automatically turn Hildon/Maemo into a Gnome/mobile component.

>> So come on, all subscribed!
>> Be a little more active and responsive, come out of your cave. You won't
>> be hit with tons of work - at least not at once ;)
>> There is primarily a huge interest in opinions and views.
>> Let's share them!
> 
> ACK

Thank you a lot for sharing your view!
This helps, at least me, a great deal to learn about the group we are.

Let's continue this open way of discussion, I think we are on the right
track!

> Mike
Cheers
  nils faerber

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