Re: [orca-list] Problems with speech in Intrepid

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> To be honest  I don't know why this option exists. I found no 
> documentation about.

This "Start Orca when you login" option is in the Orca preferences GUI 
because it helps eliminate the need for people to have to hunt all over 
the place to enable accessibility, enable autostarting, etc.  It should 
not be enabled by default, so I'm not sure how it got checked.

As for how two Orcas ran at the same time, I'm puzzled.  Orca attempts 
to enforce running itself as a singleton instance, but I'm guessing 
there might be a race condition where two orca commands were issued 
nearly simultaneously.

You can also read more about the Orca GUI here: 
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/ConfigurationGui

Will

> David E. Price wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes, it was checked, so I unchecked it.  I've restarted and have only 
> > one voice. I don't remember ever having altered that setting with any 
> > previous version of Ubuntu, so I guess that this is what I get for not 
> > rereading the Configuration/Use wiki page.
> >
> > Hopefully, this problem is solved.  If not, I'll let everyone know... ;-)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > dave
> >
> >
> > On 09/19/2008 02:19 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> > > Hi David,
> > > In orca's preference there is an option to allow orca run after 
> > > login. I don't remember exactly in which page and I'm not running 
> > > orca now.
> > > Try to find this option  and if it is checked uncheck it.
> > >
> > > Restart gnome by pressing ctrl+alt+BackSpace
> > >
> > >
> > > David E. Price wrote:
> > > > Hi, Will,
> > > >
> > > > You called it correctly:
> > > >
> > > > ]0;deprice plymouth: ~deprice plymouth:~$ whereis orca
> > > > orca: /usr/local/bin/orca
> > > > ]0;deprice plymouth: ~deprice plymouth:~$ ps -elf |grep orca
> > > > 0 S deprice   5821     1  0  80   0 -   969 wait   07:53 ?        
> > > > 00:00:00 /bin/bash /usr/local/bin/orca
> > > > 1 S deprice   5828  5821  0  80   0 -   970 wait   07:53 ?        
> > > > 00:00:00 /bin/bash /usr/local/bin/orca
> > > > 0 S deprice   5836  5648  0  80   0 -   969 wait   07:53 ?        
> > > > 00:00:00 /bin/bash /usr/local/bin/orca
> > > > 1 S deprice   5845  5836  0  80   0 -   971 wait   07:53 ?        
> > > > 00:00:00 /bin/bash /usr/local/bin/orca
> > > > 0 R deprice   5885  5828  1  80   0 -  9484 -      07:53 ?        
> > > > 00:03:40 /usr/bin/python -c import orca.orca; orca.orca.main()
> > > > 0 S deprice   5886  5845  1  80   0 -  9321 select 07:53 ?        
> > > > 00:03:26 /usr/bin/python -c import orca.orca; orca.orca.main()
> > > > 0 S deprice  21121 21067  0  80   0 -   810 pipe_w 13:28 pts/2    
> > > > 00:00:00 grep orca
> > > >
> > > > The odd thing here is that the second and third invocations of Orca 
> > > > occurred while the machine was idle.  When I started working on the 
> > > > machine this morning, Orca was performing well except for the 
> > > > Cepstral freezes (I'll file a bug on this issue over the weekend). I 
> > > > used apt-get to update and upgrade, then walked away from the 
> > > > machine because I had several appointments.  When I returned to it 
> > > > just a few minutes ago, its schizophrenic personality was back.  If 
> > > > you can make a guess from the above output, or suggest what to do to 
> > > > determine the nature of the problem, I would greatly appreciate it.  
> > > > I'm going to build Orca from latest trunk and see if that makes the 
> > > > machine more usable... OK, it is a dream, but I have no idea why 
> > > > Orca would be invoked multiple times. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 09/19/2008 07:58 AM, Willie Walker wrote:
> > > > > If they are identical, then this would be strange.  If one is the 
> > > > > shell script to launch orca and the other is the python process, 
> > > > > then this is OK.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps!
> > > > >
> > > > > Will
> > > > >
> > > > > José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Will,
> > > > > > Looking at the system processes I found two processes  called 
> > > > > > orca. Is this ok?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Willie Walker wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi David:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > These are very strange problems.  It sounds almost as though you 
> > > > > > > have two orca's running.  If you look at the system processes, do 
> > > > > > > you notice anything strange?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David E. Price wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm having lots of problems with speech in Intrepid.  I've been 
> > > > > > > > spending the last several days of non-work time trying to sort 
> > > > > > > > out these problems.  These problems occur with both Cepstral and 
> > > > > > > > eSpeak. These problems include:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Orca often repeats everything that it says.  This behavior 
> > > > > > > > seems to be based on the size of the block of text sent to the 
> > > > > > > > synthesizer.  For instance, if I'm typing words, I will hear 
> > > > > > > > each word echoed.  However, if I am in gnome-terminal and I type 
> > > > > > > > "ls", I hear the entire listing then hear the entire listing a 
> > > > > > > > second time.  This is dependent on the Orca start--if Orca 
> > > > > > > > starts and everything is repeated, the behavior will continue 
> > > > > > > > until I quit Orca; if Orca starts and there is no repetition 
> > > > > > > > initially, the repetitions will not occur  during that session. 
> > > > > > > > An interesting side effect of this problem is that, when it is 
> > > > > > > > occurring, I can't quit Orca using the Quit Orca dialog 
> > > > > > > > (Orca_modifier-q)--I need to use the command line "Orca -q" to 
> > > > > > > > quit.  Right now, the repetition behavior seems to be occurring 
> > > > > > > > about 60-70% of the time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - If I use the Orca Preferences dialog to change the speech 
> > > > > > > > synthesizer, I often end up with both synthesizers speaking 
> > > > > > > > after activating either the Apply or OK buttons. (I've yet to 
> > > > > > > > capture this in a debug log... whenever I'm capturing the debug 
> > > > > > > > log, the problem doesn't occur.  I'll try a few more times to 
> > > > > > > > get this recorded.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - When I log off, I hear
> > > > > > > > the reset strings sent out through the emacspeak speech server 
> > > > > > > > to my DECTalk Express (not being used by Orca), then the current 
> > > > > > > > voice (or both voices) will say the first question of the text 
> > > > > > > > setup.  These two messages are spoken in parallel (given that 
> > > > > > > > they are using two or three different synthesizers), but the 
> > > > > > > > emacspeak messages always start first.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The two things that I have left to try are to see if I can get 
> > > > > > > > the emacspeak speech server running under Orca, then see if 
> > > > > > > > these behaviors persist.  If they do not, then I will rebuild 
> > > > > > > > gnome-speech from source.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does anyone have any other suggestions?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dave
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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