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Re: [orca-list] Gnome on Debian - Latest Version

From an installation point of view, I don't find Debian all that bad. Yes, you install from the text console and hardware speech is needed because of using speakup. But after that, I got gnome up and running by running Orca manually once and configuration the speech interface.
Yeah, if you want a gnome based install with software speech, then you're points are taken. 

Krishnakant wrote:

HI,
I would love to switch over to debian as well but it is more of an
attitude and motivation problem than any thing else for not having
proper accessibility infrastructure in Debian.

Sun is very serious about this and so is ubuntu to a great extent.
So I respect sun for this and canonical to an extent.
And by the way Wil, we still forgot to mention the accessible installer
in this message.
Even if debian takes proper steps as far as gnome is concerned, I don't
think we are going to have an installer like open solaris or ubuntu.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 11:09 -0500, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi Steve:

I hear your frustration.  :-(
For your voice to be heard by the Debian folks who can make a difference, however, you might need to find a Debian-specific list. Right now, I suspect they are not monitoring this discussion and are not aware of it. 

Will
PS - If it helps, OpenSolaris is currently doing a pretty decent job with GNOME and accessibility. 

Steve Holmes wrote:

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Well, if they intend to sit and watch gnome slide by then I might have
to reconsider continued use of Debian as a distro.  It appears they
are beginning to go down the same path Dropline-gnome does; release
something about once a year and lag far behind the rest of the time.
Again, I express my disappointment in this strategy.  Gee, maybe I
better go back to Slackware and find another gnome mini distro.  For
whatever reason, Ubuntu doesn't turn me on.  I could explore Fedorah
but I don't know about spending the time to go out and learn another
distro all over again.

Sorry for the whining about all this but lagging behind on fundimental
components like gnome can severely hurt accessibility and the on-going
development here.  I haven't seen a comprehensive guide to building
gnome from scratch thus far and from what I've seen of the gnome
architexture, it would appear to be a very daunting task indeed.

On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 08:59:30AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Good morning Steve,
I was thinking the same thing about gnome 2.24 being in unstable or experimental. As I have discovered the unstable packages and experimental packages are packages that debian intends to migrate to stable. So, if the debian gnome team isn't interested in working with gnome 2.24 it won't appear even in experimental, because they do not intend to move it to stable.
It will be interesting to see what happens with gnome in debian, but it looks like it will be quite a while before it is included. 

HTH,
Everett


On 5-Feb-09, at 8:49 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:


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That's really too bad too.  I gave up on dropline gnome last year
because they lagged so far behind.  I've been a slackware for many
years and generally loved it for its basic simplicity and ease at
getting under the hood so to speak.  So I went and tried Debian.  I
like its package management and dependency tracking and all but this
gnome thing really disappointments me.  You would think that going
unstable would get you the supposed latest versions but alas they are
sitting on what is now an older version of gnome.  I understand a lot
of our accessibility enhancements depend on having the latest gnome
version and Debian package managers who don't like 2.24 are holding
Deb users back in this regard.  I'm not in a mood to do yet another
re-install of linux to switch to Solarus or Ubuntu.  I would just hope
they get a move on with Debian and get gnome up to date.

On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 07:56:30AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Good morning Steve,

I used to have an article written by the debian gnome package manager
eplaining why they haven't included 2.24 in their repositories, but at 
the moment I can't find it.
Suffice it to say that although some 2.24 packages are in experimental, gnome-core is not and may not be for some time. It has something to do with the debian-gnome folks not liking some of the things that gnome 2.24 
does with session management.  You could try building gnome 2.24
yourself, but that seems like an aweful lot of work that is certainly
going to be filled with a great deal of frustration.

HTH,
Everett


On 5-Feb-09, at 7:39 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:


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I'm doing that and have Orca-2.24.1, I believe, but the rest of gnome 
is still at 2.22.whatever.  That's the part I want to improve.

On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 03:48:43AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Good evening Steve,

I bbelieve that I was using Cid and pulled down Orca from
experimental
with no problems.

HTH,
Everett
On 5-Feb-09, at 3:21 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:


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Do any Debian users know if/when any levels of Debian will go to
gnome
later than 2.22.X? I just looked in the Packages listing for
unstable
and it still shows 2.22.5 or something.  It seems like Deb is
slipping
behind the other distros here.  Many other distros have been using
2.24 for months now. Just wondering. I understand going to 2.24 of 
gnome may clear up some of the accessibility issues I'm having.  I
suppose I could try and pull gnome from experimental? Any ideas on
when Lenny will becom stable? I thought I heard that when that does 
that the other stuff can start moving again.
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