Re: [orca-list] date and time keybindings

[Isaac Porat <isaac porat me uk>]

Hi

I was not suggesting for a moment to clone JAWS or anything else.  In 
fact NVDA that I referred to is not a clone of JAWS far from it - it is 
well designed screen reader with pragmatic approach to best practice and 
familiarity with other screen readers.
I am not comparing screen readers here for performance just the approach 
to key bindings.

I have been on this list for a couple of years, learned a lot and 
enjoyed following the tremendous progress of Orca and the accessibility 
of gnome.  Like other lists some people coming, some people going but I 
would say that the community size on this list and other relevant ones 
is probably of the same order.
The community needs to grow not so much to compete with other OS but to 
have a critical mass so that software vendors care about accessibility 
in Linux more.  Examples, Firefox is broken for the past six months and 
Adobe readers are not accessible both are well sorted under Windows with 
the iAccessible2 new interface.

Regards
Isaac


On 02/05/2010 12:58, Michael Whapples wrote:
> Jason,
> You reminded me of one thing I intended to mention but forgot to, 
> providing resources for those who want to learn about orca and gnome 
> is probably of greater value. Its for this reason I started to record 
> some audio tutorials, I wish my resources would allow these to be done 
> more quickly.
>
> In fact I would say trying to make something too familiar with subtle 
> differences can actually make the transition harder. I will give a 
> personal example. In gnome to get to the desktop you press ctrl+alt+d 
> in Windows you press windows+d, there's still times when I use windows 
> and press ctrl+alt+d (I mainly use linux and occasionally use 
> windows). Compare this with something very different, the desktop menu 
> systems, gnome press alt+f1 and select the menu you want to enter, 
> windows hit windows key (or ctrl+esc) and only one menu, I don't think 
> I have confused those (they differ sufficiently that I think of them 
> as two different tasks).
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Jason White wrote:
> > Isaac Porat<isaac porat me uk>  wrote:
> >
> > > The fact of the matter is that only a tiny fraction of people use
> > > Linux and even smaller among blind people and the smoother the
> > > transition the better.
> > Not at the expense of worse defaults for everybody, however. 
> > Transitions are
> > short-lived, for each user, whereas the amount of time spent actually 
> > using
> > the software, once learned, should be much greater; thus it makes 
> > sense to
> > prefer defaults that are considered better for users who have made the
> > transition already, while providing resources to help newcomers to 
> > learn what
> > is new and different about Orca.
> >
> > Of course, in the case of key bindings, these should be easy to 
> > change anyway,
> > as discussed earlier.
>
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