Re: [orca-list] [Fwd: Default button of Orca]

[Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com>]

Hello,
Firstly out of the two suggestions I put forward, I think I would prefer 
the text box with basic instructions option as this will not lead to 
existing users getting undesired side affects from doing as they are 
used to. While I don't like pointing to other applications for examples 
(mainly because that might lead to people fixing on a given way rather 
than considering what might really be best for the situation under 
discussion), NVDA for windows I think has a text box in its main window 
giving basic instructions. As I said, don't fix on the way NVDA does 
things, they have a different structure as actions are done through the 
menu system rather than buttons.

Now to the tutorial. I don't know anything of what Jaws has, I just 
don't use that as it doesn't fit my needs. I would imagine such a 
tutorial might give some basic instructions on a given topic (eg. just 
moving between controls) and then present a screen where users can try 
this out. Then it might move on to another step discussing navigation 
using orca flat review and then give a screen for the user to try that. 
It would continue in this way until the basics of using orca were covered.

As I said I don't like the idea of the tutorial so much as this would 
require (as goes the original proposal) that the user is placed on the 
help button by default and so experienced users need to get used to a 
change (if they forget they get help when they want preferences, 
remember experienced users know the system so may go ahead of 
announcements). Also as I said back in my original message on this, 
there isn't much which can be done for those who feel they need help but 
still decide to press enter when "preferences button" has been announced.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hy,
>
> Alan, only have one matter: if this you would like tutorial 
> application is a separate application, what happening if a full 
> beginner visual impaired user not known how can possible launching 
> your wanted tutorial application? You want this feature only with 
> sighted users or easyest developers work if need testing accessibility 
> support he's application for Orca? I little lost the thread.
> Michael, interesting ydea. I think alan want a similar tutorial 
> application with JAWS Talking Notepad, I very old time see this 
> application, so not remember full what features known this application.
> If I remember right JAWS Talking Notepad prowide a possibility for 
> user for example try example dialogs without risk real any setting of 
> he's system.
> Your ydea is interesting too, if for example implementing future a 
> "trainer" mode for Orca, with not equals for learning mode, learning 
> mode and keyboard shortcut list mode helping only learning Orca 
> keystrokes, but not help learning basic keyboard usage for GTK vidgets 
> for screen reader. Look my ydea design for trainer mode related, not 
> full clean the specification:
> Trainer mode presenting a simple dialog, with demonstrate all possible 
> GTK vidgets. Before widgets, have a label, with tell the user when 
> pressing TAB key, how can try using an example vidget (check box, 
> radio button, etc, and what will be happening if he following the 
> trained step).
> If this feature implemented, I think real request to first time need 
> focusing the trainer mode button to easyest beginner users learning 
> Orca usage, but of course this is changeable with future if an 
> experienced Orca user not would like this.
> Alan, near this design with you would like?
> If I talking total different think, excuse me everibody. :-):-)
>
> Other people openions this future possible feature if Alan want 
> similar possibility?
>
> Attila