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Re: [orca-list] Which distribution to switch to from Windows? [was "Re: A real message with a question"]

How many versions behind are they in Wheezy?  Do you know if it's
Thunderbird 15 or whatever it's up to, for instance?

Thanks.
Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: lutz kaiser [mailto:lutz kaiser gmx net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Alex Midence
Cc: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.; Debian gmail com; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Which distribution to switch to from Windows? [was
"Re: A real message with a question"]

Hi Alex and List,

iceweasel and icedove are just firefox and thunderbird with other names. 
They called the programs differnt, but they behave the same.
The mailfolder for icedove is: .icedove,

Using a brutal way of moving from thunderbird, before you started icedove
the very first time copy cp -a .thunderbird/* .icedove

regards
Lutz

        
Am 29.11.2012 15:26, schrieb Alex Midence:

I wonder if there's an unofficial repository somewhere that you can 
use to install firefox and company on Debian proper.  Someone should 
make one.

Alex M

On 11/29/12, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea arrl net> wrote:

Peter,

Would you post a new topic on the Vinux Support mail list on How to 
install Jully Talking Arch to get latest GNOME Desktop that has the 
best ORCA support?

I have tried installing Arch for several days failing each time to 
get a working Command Line Interface each time.  Obviously I am not 
finding the correct documentation, or I am stupid, ignorant and blind.

Or both <smile>.

It would be awesome if there was a script for this, or if there is if 
there is, that it's location were more prominanently shown, or better 
yet, if it could be hooked into the script I did find by a Y/N 
question of do you want to install Command Line Interface? Then, do 
you want to install latest GNOME Desktop?

I wish instead of a package for GNOME Desktop there would be a script 
just to install the packages so yhat when a user wishes to uninstall 
a package that is NOT accessible, it does not break the package 
GNOME-Desktop and uninstall ALL of GNOME leaving the user with a 
broken Graphical User Interface  and loosing ORCA as well.

Debian policy of non-free makes it difficult for new users and also 
for experienced users who want the accessibility of the latest 
Firefox and Thunderbird versus the much older and renamed iceweasel and

icedove.


I work around this by installing Debian MINT, installing Firefox, 
Thunderbird, multimedia codecs and then changing 
/etc/apt/sources.list to add Debian repositories.

David

Thanks,

David Ring
N1EA

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  On Nov 29, 2012 7:51 AM, "Peter Vágner" <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:


Hello,
Unfortunatelly this does not answer the original question however I 
must add it as I do like the idea.
I have recently installed arch using the jully talking arch which 
works well.
There were some little things I had to deal with until it started 
fully working like I wanted it to however what I like about arch is 
that they have nice wiki with a lot of perfectly written articles. 
While following their install and beginner guides you can learn how 
the distro works so you will then get prapared for some real 
maintenance.
With ubuntu it is still quicker to reinstall once something breaks 
up and I hope with arch power users can become just a bit more 
powerfull by knowig some more details.

The only thing which does not work for me in my arch install is 
accessible login screen. It uses gdm and I dont know how to launch 
orca and set all the appropriate accessibility related properties 
while gdm session starts.

Greetings

Peter



On 29.11.2012 07:55, D.J.J. Ring, Jr.  wrote:


Debian sid has GNOME Desktop with cinnemon  which is like GNOME 2 
and is accessible.

MATE is just like  GNOME 2 but uses mate applications which are 
inaccessible.

Debian Sid has latest GNOME 3 point something which just came out 
which makes GNOME 3 just likr GNOME 2 but only much better.  Ubuntu 
doesn't have it.

With Debian Sid you always have the latest packages and it rolls 
instead of being released.

Debian's problems are you have to add multimedia and non-free 
repositories to it.  Also Debian will not allow Firefox or 
Thunderbird because the icons  are copyrighted.

Also Debian used Desktop packages as does Ubuntu so if you wanted 
to remove mate-terminal  and put in gnome-terminal which talks, the 
package system says it has to remove the rest of GNOME.  Really stupid.

Easiest thing to do is install Debian MINT, edit /etc/apt/sources 
file and paste in Debian sources and put # in front of the Debian 
MINT sources.

You can use smxi to do updates.

Unfortunately you have to edit that script file and comment out the 
section that mentions Debian MINT because smxi thinks it will not work.

Debian is much easier to use than Ubuntu if you do a bit of work..

Also you need to know what drivers you nerd for wifi but once you 
know the name it is done for you.

Debian could use jockey-gtk but that darned FREE software policy 
does not allow that.

If Ubuntu goes back to a recular desktop, all will be well.

If someone made a working command line iso file of ARCH linux that 
talks I would go with that as it has the very new GNOME that one 
again talks even though it is designed for touch screen which is a 
seeing thing.  I would install ARCH in a heartbeat but I have tried 
three three times to install but I cannot do it, it is like the

instructions are missing.


But even with Ubuntu going touch screen and MATE which is a 2.0 
like desktop, all that insanity is still better than Windows.

David

On Nov 28, 2012 7:53 PM, "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain gmail com 
<mailto:chaltain gmail com>> wrote:

     Why wouldn't you consider Ubuntu? I think Ubuntu 12.04 LTS would

be

     close to what you're looking for.

     On 28/11/12 18:48, John J. Boyer wrote:
      > I am thinking of switching from Windows to Linux for ofgice

work.

     So I
      > want to avoid the bleeding edge, but I do want reasonably 
up-to-date
      > accessibility features and desktop. I'll be using LibreOffice.
What
      > would be a good compromise between Ubuntu and CentOS?
      >
      > Thanks,
      > John
      >
      > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 06:23:07PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
      >> Hello John,
      >>
      >>
      >> On 11/28/12, John J. Boyer <john boyer abilitiessoft com
     <mailto:john boyer **abilitiessoft com
<john boyer abilitiessoft com>>>
wrote:
      >>>
      >>> My question is whether anyone has had experience with Orca on
     CentOS
      >>> 6.3.
      >>
      >> Well, is there something specific you want to know? About 
the only
      >> thing I can tell you is because CentOS is largely using 
Enterprise
      >> packages like Red Hat Enterprise the accessibility stack is
     extremely
      >> old. From what I can tell CentOS 6.3 is still using Gnome 
2.x and
      >> at-spi 1.x, and they are way behind in terms of modern Orca
      >> dependencies etc. This isn't unusual for Enterprise Linux 
as every
      >> Enterprise system I've seen over the last couple of years is

way

      >> behind in terms of VI access packages where distributions like
     Ubuntu
      >> try to stay on the bleeding edge of things.
      >>
      >> Cheers!
      >> ______________________________**_________________
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      >>


https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/orca-list<https://mail.gnome.org/m
ailman/listinfo/orca-list>

      >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
      >> The manual is at
     http://library.gnome.org/**users/gnome-access-guide/**


nightly/ats-2.html<http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly
/ats-2.html>

      >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/** 


FrequentlyAskedQuestions<http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions



      >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
      >> Find out how to help at


http://live.gnome.org/Orca/**HowCanIHelp<http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIH
elp>

      >

     --
     Christopher (CJ)
     chaltain at Gmail
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ailman/listinfo/orca-list>

     Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
     The manual is at
     http://library.gnome.org/**users/gnome-access-guide/**


nightly/ats-2.html<http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly
/ats-2.html>

     The FAQ is at


http://live.gnome.org/Orca/**FrequentlyAskedQuestions<http://live.gnome.org/
Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions>

     Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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viele Grüße
Lutz
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