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Re: [orca-list] LXDE/Openbox menu accessibility

Tony,

At the moment my mind is working along these lines on this subject...

The domain name I have in mind is eyesfreelinux.info.  The site would be
very minimalist, nothing fancy or clever, no masses of graphics,
mouse-overs or tricksy dynamic HTML.  No complicated control panels or
wysiwg blog or wiki entry systems.  Ikiwiki is the one thing I was
thinking of because of the ability to author stuff in markdown offline
before uploading it.

The site would be limited to top-down installs and each 'guide' would
follow this road-map:

1.  You have a computer.
2.  You want to run Linux.
3.  You can't see and are either determined to do it without sighted
assistance or don't have access to IT-savvy sighted assistance.

The site could also have links to TRUSTED accessibility stuff like the
Debian Accessibility wiki, the Orca site etc.

I already have www.raspberryvi.org for the Pi stuff.  Thanks for your
offer of free hosting.  I will give it some more thought and get back to
you.  I don't want this to become a rod for my own back though.  I just
thought somewhere for minimalist install guides where the required
information is not hidden by tons and tons of noise.  At the moment I
suspect all of us have to sift through dozens of stale or half-complete
blog or wiki posts to assemble the stuff we need.

Mike

On 26/06/2014 08:16, Tony Baechler wrote:

Hello,

I really like your idea about putting all of the useful bits of
information on a central web site for future reference.  I would be
willing to host such a site free of charge.  All I would ask is a link to
the main batsupport.com site somewhere on your pages, such as at the top
or bottom.  I can either give you a wiki, (I have ikiwiki already
installed and mostly configured), a full CMS like WordPress or you could
just create plain HTML.  I'm flexible on this, but my preference would be
a wiki so others could add to it.  It would be a subdomain of
batsupport.com, such as linux.batsupport.com or wiki.batsupport.com.
Since you work with the Raspberry Pi, information on that could also be
integrated.  If you want to take full charge of the site, you could manage
it and screen future contributions.  You mentioned that you wouldn't post
anything which you hadn't verified yourself.  You could verify new
information before approving it for posting and of course post news about
the Pi as it's released.  Likewise, if you want a dedicated site that
isn't shared with others, that could also be arranged.

I would hope the goal would be to make the site a central resource for
anything having to do with Linux accessibility, whether console, GUI or
otherwise.  As you say, other than the BIOS, there is no reason why people
can't do a totally independent install.  I have personally built several
Debian servers from the ground up from installation to email, Apache, LVM,
RAID, etc so I know it can be done by a totally blind person.  That is
more than you can say for Windows in most cases.  I personally think that
Linux is the best thing to happen for the blind since the Internet itself.
 Anyone can have full control over their machine, operating system and
software regardless of what accessibility solutions they use, whether
speech, Braille or screen magnification.  It would also be good to have a
directory of other sites and mailing lists related to accessibility, like
the Speakup site, the Debian accessibility wiki, etc.  I am mostly a
console user myself and am still learning Orca, so it would be good to
have information related to Orca collected in one place.  There is of
course the Orca wiki, but it doesn't deal with other accessibility
solutions such as Speakup.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am working on a business supporting
the blind on Linux.  It's called BATS or Baechler Access Technology
Services.  You can see a placeholder page at <http://batsupport.com/>.  I
was already intending to create a wiki for exactly the kind of information
you mention below.  It would be great to work within the existing
community if you or someone else is already planning such a project.
There would probably be an area for members only, but the Linux
accessibility information would be free in the spirit of open source.  I
haven't worked out all of the details and logistics, but probably
licensing it under a Creative Commons license would be the way to go.  I
would be interested in your thoughts.  Please let me know if this is
something you would like to consider.
On 2014-06-25 03:51 PM, Mike Ray wrote:

Great stuff.  I'm collecting all this info.  I'd like to create some 
kind of resource, a web page I guess just devoted to getting an 
accessible Linux up and running totally without any sighted assistance.
 I would not want to put anything on there I haven't tested and
verified. The aim would be for posting enough information about 
Arch/Debian/Trisquel or any other distro with Gnome/LXDE/XFCE/Mate or 
any other desktop, or just a speaking console.  And again, enough 
reliable info for a newbie to do it with NO sighted assistance.  Of 
course setting the BIOS boot sequence is something we can't do without 
eyes.  But nothing else on the pages that require sighted assistance. 
Maybe I'm just stubborn and over-independent.

Finding stuff online is often difficult and when you do find something 
it isn't always either accurate or up to date.

So this discussion is very useful.



On 25/06/2014 20:41, D. A. H. wrote:

Hi, Folks!

Once mate is running, go to
menus->system->preferences->accessibility and enable orca autostart
for future sessions.  With the lines shown below, in a file in
/etc/profile.d/, you'll have a mate session as accessible as it can
be.  To make the 'alt+tab' key stroke speak, you can switch your
window manager to metacity. \ First install metacity from your
distro's main software repository. then, in a terminal, type: 
gsettings set org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager
metacity

To try metacity without making the change persistent,  do, either in
a terminal or the 'run' dialogue

metacity --replace

To revert, type the 'gsettings' line, above, substituting 'marco'
for 'metacity'.



On 06/25/2014 02:00 PM, Richard wrote:

Try the following in Gnome, if you have it before you try logging
into Mate.

sudo gedit /etc/profile.d/gtk.sh

Add the following 2 lines

#accessibility enabled export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge


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Michael A. Ray
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Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

The box said: 'install Windows XP, 7 or better'. So I installed Linux

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