Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

I really have far too much on my plate to put something that while I consider important, is not at the top of 
my priority list by any means pwersonally. 
I still may consider putting energy in to this, and I thought I had even offered to take consider taking on a 
lead role if no one with more time and 
experience did not come forward. That was however before the generous student from India offered to organize 
a coding effort. 
Sure I can see the advantage in working with the person who has taken the code to where ever it is now, and 
have already expressed my opinion as to what 
I trhink of pricing and my lack of qualification to give a definitie opinion on this as well.  I do think 
there is also an advantage in bringing more 
interest people onboard as far as accessibility coding goes. 
I will go along with what ever the consensus is, assuming there will be such a thing, and then see what I can 
to to promote funding after honestly 
evaluating my time and interst. This may be no more than writing a couple or three emails, but it could be 
more, especiallydepending on initial 
responses to the feelers I put out. 
My questions are these. 
If we can't come up with most of 5five to six thousand pluss dollars with in a couple or three months it 
seems likely that a movitavated student or 
three could get this done in the same time. 
Remember, this is FOS, so it can be an ongoing effort. Once it works, others can come along and clean up 
bits, add features, etc. Perhaps the original  
author will be interested to help once the basics are dealt with for free, or for a more managable sum if 
there is less to be done. 
I know of one or two folks on this list who do know a bit of c, and I wonder if they would ber interested for 
money, all be it a bit less than 5 or 6 K, 
as they may need it more than others?
We have a couple people willling to put out a total of at least $100. Perhaps other are willing to provide 
onging funding at say the $10 a onth proposed 
by Peter. I do doubt that most folks would do so much over the long haul though, probably a handfull. Some 
other will give a one time contribution, but 
I doubt many would go over $50, and many will be less, so we are still talking needing someting like 200 
contributers to reach the $6500 which was the 
total proposed by the program's author. 
There is certainly the chance that a few will be able to contribute a larger share, and in my experience in 
similar projects there will possibly be 2 or 
three of these, so we may be able to knock things down a thousand or more, but the vollenteer offer is 
looking good to me compared to waiting many 
months to come close enough to get things going. 
I will give an alternative email address here where people can write to say what they would be willing to 
donate, whether one time, or reoccurring to 
fund coding. This way we can see if we are anywhere in the ballpark as they say in baseball land, or if this 
will have to be a kickstarter job or a 
long-term effort. 
I will spell out at and dot to avoid any spammers' web crawlers grabbing my eddress.
es_vinux at vinuxproject dot org
I'll report back in a week or so, or before if I see a groundswell of potential donations. 
Please do not write to say you are not going to donate, and please try and be honest and realistic. 
If we get a significant amount pledged then I'd be much more likely to look at trying a kickstarter campaign 
or some other proactive effort.
--
B.H.


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:58:42AM -0200, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> I agree with you btw.
>
> It will take time to find the funding with Kickstarter or anything else, and
> it will require someone to be campaigning for it. I have not seen anybody
> volunteer to do that yet.
>
> Fernando
>
> On 11/19/2014 08:07 AM, Peter V?gner wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Given Reeces proper planning, high standards, well written documentation,
> > patient communication eventhough we are not yet paying his bills, real
> > commitment to the work, trying to minimize multilingual multicultural and
> > accessibility barriers and maybe others I think the pay rate is acceptable
> > and if I were you I would accept it.
> > I verry much like Kelly's comments and proposal. I my-self am unable to
> > give $50 however I can for example donate some $20 multiple times e.g.
> > each two months.
> > So given my and Kelly's contribution we should theoretically raise about
> > $100 each three months.
> > If many of you can join us then I think we might be able to make this
> > close to the reality.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On 18.11.2014 at 20:50 Kelly Prescott wrote:
> > > First off, that rate doesn't sound too bad.
> > > Yes, DAISY is a lot of xml etc, but if it were that easy, then everyone
> > > on this list could write it and we would not be discussing how to get it
> > > done.
> > > I like the idea of a kickstarter funding for it. $50 per user and we
> > > would only need 100 users to fund it.
> > > There ain't no such thing as a free lunch!
> > > Open source does not necessarily mean free as in cost, rather it means
> > > freedom to change/modify/improve etc.
> > > I would be willing to contribute my $50.00 for this, so how about it?
> > > If there is enough interest, we could probably get it done.
> > >
> > > -- Kelly Prescott
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, B. Henry wrote:
> > >
> > > > I do not  care all that much about daisy, and $5k is too much I feel
> > > > for this honestly, but I may have a connection or two I can bring on
> > > > board.
> > > > I'd like to see a better price though as this does not seem like
> > > > something that difficult to a good coder on the surface. Perhaps I am
> > > > totally off base
> > > > but daisy is just css xml and other common formats, and as the target
> > > > consumer of daisy is poorer than the average bear I'd say a bit of
> > > > consideration
> > > > on the dev's part may be in order. That's 100hours at $50 an hour.
> > > > I've never made $50 an hour for anything legal, and doubt most of you
> > > > are payed this
> > > > well. For those weak in math, we are talking over $100,000 a year
> > > > using 40 hour work weeks.
> > > > Most lions do not make so much either although many of course make
> > > > much more I reckon.
> > > > I'd rather find a student who really needs tto make a buck and let
> > > > them learn, pay some books and meals and such if I'm going to consider
> > > > 5k. Again, not
> > > > out of my pocket, even if I were a rich dude I'd think twice about
> > > > financing this, but enough of the hypothetical bull.
> > > > Love you guys, and if a lot of folks think this is important I will
> > > > start talking to the couple of contacts I have on the off chance that
> > > > this can come
> > > > about, but I'd try and get a much better price before moving and my
> > > > heart probably would not be in it for 5k.
> > > > -- 
> > > >
> > > > B.H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:36:00PM -0600, Alex Midence wrote:
> > > > > This is the sort of thing that Lions clubs and other charitable
> > > > > organizations can contribute to. Does anyone have connections with
> > > > > such organizations? Does anyone have experience in grant  letter
> > > > > writing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Fernando Botelho
> > > > > > <Fernando Botelho F123 org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wow, there goes my hope of something affordabel and quick.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/17/2014 06:23 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > > > > > Hash: SHA512
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > according to the email he just sent me, he wants something like 5000
> > > > > > > bucks to implement it. He also wants 1500 bucks to implement the
> > > > > > > book
> > > > > > > list and all that goes with it. Of course, none of us can add this
> > > > > > > ourselves, he says something about getting a group to contract him.
> > > > > > > I'm not holding out much hope at the moment
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Kendell clark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/17/2014 06:28 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > > > > > > Does anyone know if this book reading software have interface in
> > > > > > > > multiple languages?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, how much of an investment are we talking about to get it to
> > > > > > > > read Daisy?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/17/2014 07:27 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hi My idea of a book list is one where you can select a directory
> > > > > > > > where your books are kept, and the program will go through and get
> > > > > > > > the books available in that folder by analyzing the books xml data.
> > > > > > > > This would work equally for epub as well as daisy books. It might
> > > > > > > > display something like the following. books list view. book title
> > > > > > > > 1: current position: wherever you left off. Etc. Thanks Kendell
> > > > > > > > clark
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/17/2014 03:14 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello, The project is open source however developer is
> > > > > > > > > > > looking for some funding so he can do his best in order to
> > > > > > > > > > > implement it. E.G. see here for bookmarks related issue...
> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/rhdunn/cainteoir-gtk/issues/6 What is a
> > > > > > > > > > > book list as you are describing it? Ability to open recently
> > > > > > > > > > > viewed books is already there and also ability to see the
> > > > > > > > > > > list of chapters. Reading can be started from any point from
> > > > > > > > > > > that list.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is really awesome piece of software, it's well written
> > > > > > > > > > > continually maintained and the developer is cooperative,
> > > > > > > > > > > really an expert, considers accessibility and all other stuff
> > > > > > > > > > > we might have imagined.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Another his big reference is eSpeak for android.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 09:10 kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > hi Nods, just sent out an email to the developer. If he'll
> > > > > > > > > > > add daisy support,a nd possibly at some point later
> > > > > > > > > > > bookmarking support and book lists, we'll have ourselves a
> > > > > > > > > > > daisy reader that can read other formats too. Thanks Kendell
> > > > > > > > > > > clark On 11/17/2014 02:06 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Well gtk UI for cainteoir is not as feature rich
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as we would wish however I have to add another positive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comments it is accessible. Even content is rendered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into a read only edit field for some simple proof
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 06:27 Willem van der Walt wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is cainteoir which now supports epub3 with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > media overlays. The player, however is not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature-ritch at the moment.  If someone is good at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writing c++, that player could be expanded to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite good. The cainteoir library supports reading a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number of formats. On Android, there is a player
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called menestrelo which is good for reading epub3.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, Willem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That???s too bad about epub readers. I think these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other solutions involving conversions and kludging
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around with other formats just ruins the epub
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience. I really like the direct navigation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features found in Apple???s iBooks applications on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all their devices. I wonder if evince can deal with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PDF books though. Has anyone had a chance to try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this? Many times, books are released in PDF as an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alternative to epub but still include much of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigations normally available in epub. My biggest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaint with converting stuff to plain text or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever is you lose all that rich navigation that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes with hyper text publications. Even HTML books
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigate OK but you can???t place bookmarks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > throughout the text with a web browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dhairyashil Bhosale
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dhairyashil bhosale584 gmail com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI, As you mentioned about e-book reader, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre e-book readers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are widely used on Linux platform but I am also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking some other e-book reader that will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support all type of e-book format and will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible with Orca. So I have some information
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding to your queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the tools available to read
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > available for Linux and Android platform. but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FBReader and CoolReader have limited support for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book format, but Calibre support all type of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book format and Calibre is open source for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux platform but not for Android. Lucidor is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also used for reading e-books but its have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accessibility issues (if any) with e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-  The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible to orca. I used these e-book reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Orca but Orca is not able to read these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book readers. But Lucidor e-book reader is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible with orca screen reader, but it have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some issue while reading e-books.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navigation related issues with e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- while using these e-book reader they have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited navigation feature, if we press
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouce-scroll button for zoom-in then it will not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as page number wise. so these e-book readers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have limited navigation facilities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, Dhairyashil
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.  Queries regarding e-book readers for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visually Impaired (Leena Chourey)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:18:49 +0530
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Leena Chourey <leenagour gmail com> To:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Orca-list <orca-list gnome org>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evince-list gnome org,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poppler lists freedesktop org Subject:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visually Impaired Message-ID:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CAD-S5bOtwATLYwtoKXruHG=XknecYOREuicH3aLaHmx1_rSwrQ mail gmail com>
> > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While exploring about the e-book reading facility
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Visually Impaired, I found that various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > formats like epub, pdf are availble. Various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readers like FBReader, Coolreader, Caliber people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use. Please help to find answer for my queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - What are the tools available to read e-books? -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it require to have specific readers to read
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books? - Widely used e-book readers working on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux & Android platform and with screen reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like Orca - Accessibility issues (if any) with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader - Navigation related issues with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leena
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> > > > > > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> > > > > > > > > manual is at
> > > > > > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
> > > > > > > > > out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > > > The manual is at
> > > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > > The manual is at
> > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > The manual is at
> > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > orca-list mailing list
> > > orca-list gnome org
> > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > The manual is at
> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list gnome org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp