Re: [orca-list] Discoverability of keyboard ungrab in VM software?

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
Nods, either a notification or a dialog would work. If it's a 
notification, orca should read automatically. If a dialog it needs the 
appropriate can_focus value so that orca can see it
Thanks
Kendell clark
On 02/13/2015 12:47 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> Hello,
> I think Joanie is trying to get us to think on how to conwey the fact
> keyboard will be handled by the guest machine and how to get its control
> back to the host machine.
> I would say trying to do something similar like virtual box does
> displaying a dialogbox saying this fact plus a checkbox where we can opt
> not to display this again or even issuing tray notification would be
> great I think.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 13.02.2015 at 01:00 kendell clark wrote:
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> > hi
> > I'd add that there are a few accessibility issues in boxes itself that
> > need addressing. The menu bar will speak with orca before a vm is
> > loaded, but afterwards simply displays push button. SOmetimes you have
> > to flat review and click with the mouse to get into the new vm wizard.
> > After this of course orca works fine. This is not an issue of
> > accessibility, but boxes does not seem to enable sound in your virtual
> > machines and there appears no way to do so. The settings panel for
> > changing  vm properties is nearly unusable with orca. I can provide a
> > debug log if needed. This is *not* a complaint, just trying to make
> > boxes better. Having used gnome shell as my desktop environment of
> > choice for the past month, I'm really impressed. Relating to keyboard
> > grab, I've noticed a fairly serious issue with a gnome extension known
> > as "steal my focus" It does what it sounds like. Instead of allowing
> > gnome to pop up a notification stating "notification NameOfWindow is
> > ready" It simply pops up taht window, forcing focus to it. This works
> > fine. Until you restart gnome. If you happen to have a gnome keyring
> > password prompt at login, as I do, steal my focus somehow, I'm not at
> > all sure how, prevents the focus from getting into that password box
> > and gnome will not allow any key presses to be acted upon other than
> > typing in the password to unlock the system. This is rambling and off
> > topic, sorry. I was intending to stay on topic but I thought about the
> > gnome focus issue and thought I'd post it while I was thinking about it
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > Hey all.
> > >
> > > The developer of Boxes (GNOME's VM client) asked me about providing
> > > a hint to users about how to ungrab the keyboard. In particular, if
> > > you're in Boxes and want keyboard events to be sent to the host
> > > rather than the VM, you can either move the mouse or you can press
> > > and release Ctrl+Alt.
> > >
> > > My response to him was that this is the same issue as in other VMs
> > > and that documentation is a good idea. But of course one could
> > > potentially get trapped in a VM having not yet read the
> > > documentation.
> > >
> > > So what say you? How should Boxes handle this situation? What
> > > accessibility issues related to keyboard grab/ungrab and
> > > discoverability have you encountered in similar products that Boxes
> > > should avoid or do a better job at?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts! --joanie
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