Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse

[Jann Schneider <jann schneider googlemail com>]

@Alex: yes really disapointing! SWT has been a good alternative when
building Java UIs all the time but now i'm not so sure ...

@Kendell: fully agree!

Also i cannot believe it's an issue with GTK3! Maybe someone could
post a good example demonstrating that GTK3 editors work as expected
with orca? I'm not sure where GTK2 or GTK3 is used so i'm not sure
what to use as an example to add it to the bug.. But anyway it's not
working with GTK2 anymore which is even worse.

Yes i'm tired of these comments on issues telling me the linux user
groups are to small or they don't have the possibility or time or
whatever to do some relayable tests on Linux, too. For example i made
the offer to oracle to test this JavaFX stuff on Gnome and we got
started a little bit. But now they told me the same old things as
mentioned above... Maybe FX accessibility support will be worked on
for Java 9.. Really disapointing! And btw. really a big issue for my
daily work, too.

Regards Jann


2015-11-05 9:26 GMT+01:00, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>:
> hi
> Would commenting on the bug jan listed in his post not help? Or would
> they simply reply with something like well windows is more popular so
> we'll support that and get around to linux  eventually? Because I've got
> to say, that attitude sucks and I'm tired of hearing it. What's worse,
> the blind community at large seems to accept it, which I refuse to do.
> All I want is for linux to be on equal footing with the other platforms.
> Not special or preferential treatment, just equal. If you make something
> for windows, you make it for linux at the same time. No delays, no
> excuses. It's that simple.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> On 11/05/2015 02:22 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> > Sad to hear that something with such a rock solid reputation for great
> > accessibility across all platforms seems to be going in the wrong
> > direction in this regard now.
> >
> > Alex M
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Jann
> > Schneider
> > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:28 AM
> > To: kk
> > Cc: orca-list
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > @KK: reasons to use mars or better neon include:
> > - better Java 8 support:
> > -- Mars has more Java 8 support
> > -- neon seems to support it completely
> > -- Admitted, it's not very much that isn't working / compiling with luna
> > but i'd like to use the full power of Java 8
> > - Gradle support in eclipse:
> > -- they just released buildship, a plugin adding gradle support to
> > eclipse. But thats build using the Mars repositories and i believe you
> > cannot get it properly working with luna
> > - Well and as i'm developing eclipse plugins myselve i'd like to support
> > the current version of eclipse of course. Currently i can do this by
> > switching the repositories in my maven build but if they change some API i
> > make use of i'll be lost :-)
> >
> > @All: unfortunately i don't know of any good, accessible alternative to
> > eclipse: AFAIU netbeans and intellij are both build using JavaFX.
> > And as we know, FX doesn't include any linux accessibility support at all
> > (which is really disapointing!).
> > So any hints and suggestions on that would be appreciated!
> >
> > All the best
> > Jann
> >
> > 2015-11-02 12:24 GMT+01:00, kk <krmane gmail com>:
> > > This is really sad.
> > > Although I am still with Eclipse Luna, I think many may have some
> > > features from Marse which they feel are important for their project
> > > development.
> > > Luna is much much better given that gtk2 still works with it.
> > > Happy hacking.
> > > Krishnakant.
> > > K
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday 02 November 2015 01:27 PM, Jann Schneider wrote:
> > > > Hi All!
> > > >
> > > > as a followup on the previous mails concerning eclipse mars: i've
> > > > just tested the M1 package of it (4.5.1). Looks like the setting that
> > > > forces GTK2 doesn't work anymore. Well, this was just a poor
> > > > workaround that made Eclipse partly accessible but not as good as
> > > > before, but anyway it doesn't work for me anymore.
> > > > Could some of you please test it and report your experiences to the
> > > > according bug {1} too?
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Jann
> > > >
> > > > {1} https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031
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