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Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Wow, I have a hard time invesioning someone, even windows users, who have computers but can't open a webpage.
If they have a windows box and can't open a webpage unless it was just given to them do not sound like good 
candidates for learning to use Linux. Not 
that Linux is harder than windows, it can be easier I think actually these days, but opening a webpage is 
close to the easiest of tasks around I 
thought.
Certainly many people have decent CD burners, so for the quntity of disks that would sell it'd be easy enough 
for some one to make them on demand out of 
their home or office. 
II have never seen the NL
S cartridges. Can one record on them with typical end user equiptment?
I know there are all kinds of people with all kinds of needs, but I do suspect your potential market is 
pretty tiny/wouold be hard to get a project 
going.
I would like to see the National Braille Press do some LInux books, cheat sheets etc. 
Maybe I can talk to them about this. I do not see myself putting a book together this fall, but maybe a 
couple of refferenced cardss and or quick start 
guides...???!!!




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  Alex Midence wrote:
Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 01:42:50PM -0500


Orca tutorials on CD are much more likely than those on NLS cartridges because Orca and the distros it's on 
are internationally used whereas NLS cartridges are issued by the Library of Congress for the United 
States.  Thumb drives are a possibility though.  I don't see them up for sale though.  It just doesn't 
really work that way.  I can envision download pages with links to download the lessons to audio cd's but 
not actual cd's sold to people any more than you see them selling cd's of the distribution all that much.  
Some do, some don't but the overwhelming majority of users download the .iso images onto cd's locally and 
then use them that way.  Eliminates all the production-related logistical headaches.

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn [mailto:glennervin cableone net] 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:23 PM
To: Alex Midence; 'Al Sten-Clanton'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Alex,
Those are all good approaches, as I personally can access many methods of information such as you mentioned.
But for example, most of the folks I work with use Windows, and they cannot even open a web page, so the 
medium needs to be offered in some other medium.
I would like to see the various distros selling tutorials on CD and on NLS cartridges, hopefully at a cost 
of not much more than it takes to produce them.
The various distros often sell DVDs of the live version, and they should include the option of audio 
getting started disks as well.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Glenn'" <GlennErvin cableone net>; "'Al Sten-Clanton'" 
<albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I get that many of them don't read braille.  Electronic copies don't have to be read with braille.  They 
can be done as epubs that go into smartphones, note takers or any other device they can use to read through 
written material.  Most people won't be playing the tutorial or reading the manual to a software on the 
same platform they want to use that software on. 
They'll use a medium they are already familiar with to do some preliminary virtual reconnaissance and then 
practice on the new device or software. 
I'll give you an example of what I mean:

In 2011, I wrote a brief guide for people to get their feet wet with Emacspeak.  I published it in html 
format with the folks at Vinux and submitted it in this format to Dr. Raman so that people could explore it 
using a screen reader they already knew before they launched Emacspeak. 
This enabled them to have some idea of what to do before they were placed in the unfamiliar environment Of 
Emacspeak and let them search for information they wanted so they didn't have to read through the whole 
thing later if they wanted to remind themselves of something.  It was well received by many of the people 
on the mailing list I originally posted it to because it took this approach.  I don't think they were all 
braille readers either.  Written material has its place in tutorials when in electronic format.

Hope this made sense,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn [mailto:glennervin cableone net]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:55 PM
To: Alex Midence; 'Al Sten-Clanton'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

I work in rehab, and sadly, most people who use a screenreader do not know Braille.
If I had to guess, I'd say over 90% of screenreader users don't know Braille.
Remember that there are adults who lose their sight that do not want to learn Braille.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Al Sten-Clanton'" <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; "'Glenn'"
<GlennErvin cableone net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I think there should be a companion text but written material can't be the only medium because not everyone 
reads braille.  An electronic text
(softcopy) should be the way to go as far as that for them to review with a screen reader they already 
know.  The audio lessons are absolutely great though.  You might even go so far as to install a copy of 
Ilias, Moodle or Chamilo on a server and create an online learning solution.  I've often toyed with that 
idea for Orca but I've hesitated because I just don't have the time to dedicate to it properly.  I'd go 
with Ilias if I ever did it because it has a built-in point of sale module.  You'd have to assemble a team 
to deploy the software (not too hard if you understand setting up a lamp stack) and then creating the 
courses with certain portions assigned to particular individuals.  Some people write better than they speak 
and so on.
Then, you need to create processes for ensuring it all keeps going and gets updated and so on.

Just some thoughts,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Glenn; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Why not use written material, which allows any spelling and punctuation they need to do?

Al

On 09/04/2015 10:58 AM, Glenn wrote:

Hi Tony and All,
Thanks for offering some links, and I will keep them for sure, but in 
this instance, I think I will need to find something up-to-date, and 
for Orca users.
This is a problem on all platforms.
I have been looking for such podcasts for IOS and Android for my 
clients, and there are podcasts on various apps, or navigating with 
Safari for example, but there needs to be something for just getting 
started.
Many of my clients have a hard time using the same device to listen 
from and work with at the same time.
I like to put training material onto a NLS cartridge for them, and 
that way they can easily control the audio material.
Glenn


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