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Re: [orca-list] eclipse progress

hi
A slight nod, yes. But not an obvious advantage. Don't mind me, I'm just
feeling a little ... what's the word ... overlooked. I have zero proof
that eclipse does any of this. I do think other projects do this, and
this isn't right. Linux should at the very least be equal to those other
platforms. I also don't buy the "linux only has 1 or 2 percent market
share"  bit I keep hearing. I don't know what or how they're getting
that number, but it's far more than that. I suppose if they were
tracking computers that came preinstalled with linux it might match, but
otherwise definitely not. And this has notning to do with eclipse so
I'll bring it back on topic. Sorry, my fault. I have a bad habbit of
going off topic.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 09/20/2015 12:47 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I agree that it's all not just a numbers game. A critical bug on a
platform that may not be the most popular may still need to be addressed
before a lot of other bugs get addressed on a more popular platform.
That being said, if 95% of your users are on one platform then I think
it would be hard to justify have the same number of developers work on
each platform rather than giving a slight nod to a platform with so many
users. this is just an example. I have no idea how many users Eclipse
has on each platform.

I'm just saying that once you have more bugs then you have developers to
work on, you have to start taking a lot of things into account when you
decide which bugs get the attention of your developers. If the Orca
developers fix a bug in Thunderbird support before Evolution support,
should I be cynical that they're favoring Thunderbird and Mozilla over
Evolution and Gnome? I don't think so. I just think they're doing the
best job of allocating their scarce resources.

Sorry if I put words into your mouth, but I see a lot of posts on Linux
and Android related lists where people think there's a conspiracy
against their favorite platform and they'll use a bug that's near and
dear to their heart to prove it. IMHO, things aren't that simple and the
world is a much more complicated place.

On 09/20/2015 11:36 AM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:

Chris, I think a good approach might be to treat operating systems on a
par and then prioritize within those.  Then, it might be more likely for
the operating systems to gain or lose users on their own merits.  Maybe
they can't do that, but if they can, they should.

I didn't intend to imply an eclipse developer conspiracy against Linux.
  If that was the fairest reading of my comment, then I apologize:  I
have no clue about what the eclipse developers think about software
freedom or of Linux in particular, or even that there's a collective
view.  I do tend to be cynical about a simple numbers game in that
monopolies or near-monopolies tend to perpetuate their status, but that
doesn't prove anything about the eclipse developers themselves.  My
suggestion for how to deal with bugs is meant as a way to counter that
tendency but not to become partial the other way.  (Freedom, after all,
by definition includes the right to use proprietary software.)

Al

On 9/20/2015 11:46 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

True, but the number of blind Eclipse users on Linux is capped by the
number of Linux users, and I suspect there are more Eclipse users on
Windows then there are on Linux. Although having Eclipse work on Linux
will probably help Linux penetration, I doubt it'll be enough to swap
the market penetration numbers between Linux and Windows. Your argument
also holds true for Windows users. If Eclipse doesn't fix bugs in
Windows then they'll lose Windows users, which is probably a greater
number of users right now.

I'm not sure what the alternative is. Are you suggesting that Eclipse
developers get together and agree not to fix accessibility bugs in Linux
to drive the number of Linux users down towards their ultimate goal of
not supporting Linux at all? Seems like it would be a lot easier to just
drop support of Linux.

I suspect it's more likely that Eclipse is like every other software
project out there and they have more bugs then they can work on at any
one time, so they prioritize their bugs based on severity and
pervasiveness, so bugs impacting just blind users on Linux, although
they won't necessarily be ignored altogether, may not get fixed as
quickly as similar bugs on platforms with a greater number of users at
the moment. I believe this is the more likely scenario, and I don't buy
into this conspiracy to keep Linux down, especially not from a project
like Eclipse.

On 09/20/2015 08:02 AM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:

Although the numbers game is understandable, it would also tend to keep
the number of Linux users low, and maybe justify giving up on Linux
support.  Some cynicism seems in order.

Al

On 9/19/2015 10:16 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not sure what criteria they use to prioritize their bugs, but I
wouldn't be surprised if the number of users affected is part of the
criteria. I'm guessing they have more Windows users then Linux
users, so
I wouldn't be surprised if bugs that show up only on Linux end up a
bit
lower in their priority queue. There's no cynicism involved here.

On 09/19/2015 07:48 PM, kendell clark wrote:

hi
My cinical side says they're prioritizing their windows accessibility
over their linux accessibility, but don't take my word for it. I'm
also
not trying to start any debates either. Having said all that, I'll
give
eclipse a go and start trying to use it. If it's bad, I'll start
attaching debug logs so joanie can look at it and find out what's
wrong.
Are there open bugs against eclipse I can comment on?
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 09/19/2015 11:30 AM, Michał Zegan wrote:

Currently they seem not to respond, erhaps because they have too
many
bugs to fix, or perhaps they lost interest. but probably not, hm

W dniu 19.09.2015 o 18:17, Jann Schneider pisze:

Hi,

if they will fix These issues they will make it into SR1 or
later. So
currently we have to use the Luna release - which works very well
with
Java 8 and These things ...

Regards
Jann


2015-09-19 16:37 GMT+02:00, kk <krmane gmail com>:

I am interested too.
This is suc a powerful tool that I can do some good stuff using
it.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Saturday 19 September 2015 05:21 PM, Michał Zegan wrote:

Hello, any progress with current eclipse accessibility bugs or
whatever?
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