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Re: [orca-list] Linux security [was "Re: Ubuntu 18.04 used for general business"]

has anyone tried ninite.com yet?
On Wed, 9 May 2018, John G Heim wrote:


Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 09:52:22
From: John G Heim <jheim math wisc edu>
To: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>,
    "orca-list gnome org" <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Linux security [was
    "Re: Ubuntu 18.04 used for general business"]
Just to be clear though, nobody said linux is immune from attacks. What people said was that you are not going to get a virus if you stick to official package archives. that is a major point in favor of linux. Although, I would think that by now, someone has put together the equivalent of a package archive for Windows. There is probably some place that collects virus-free shareware and supplies it's own program to manage/install programs from the archive. You would probably have to pay for it though. IMO, the only way you can say Windows is as secure as linux is to compare apples and oranges. A good example of this is how people who are claiming that linux has security problems often point to server app like ssh and apache. But Windows doesn't come with ssh. If you go out and find an ssh daemon for Windows, it's going to have the same issues as the linux ssh program. Probably more because the whole world keeps an eye on the linux ssh code but your Windows ssh server was probably written by one guy (who may or may not be supporting it any more).
IMO, the ability to easily install virus free apps for almost anything is a huge advantage for linux. For desktops, that overwhelms all other considerations. You need an app to edit sound files? There are like 20 of them in the official linux repositories for every distro. Email, text editor? The problem is choosing one. 


On 05/08/2018 06:12 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

 Actually, I was trying to remember Dirty COW, but this sounds familiar as
 well.


 On 05/08/2018 06:09 AM, Willem van der Walt wrote:

 I think you might refer to hart bleed, an ssh vulnerability.
 I agree with Christopher, one cannot say that Linux or any other OS is
 immune to attacks.
 If you say that, you are not long enough in IT.
 However, I think most people on this list run Linux just as a desktop and
 not as a server, in which case most of the few linux holes would not
 apply to them.
 Regards, Willem


 On Tue, 8 May 2018, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


 We've had two alerts for Linux malware where I work in the past year or
 two. one was for Shellshock, and I don't remember the name of the other
 malware. We passed them on to one of our vendors who uses Linux servers
 to provide their services to us and asked for documentation that they
 had installed the necessary patches to close off these vulnerabilities.
 A quick web search will show multiple studies and articles that with the
 rise of Linux servers in the cloud and IOT devices Linux is being
 targeted more and more by black hatters. Linux is more secure then other
 options but to say that it's virus free or immune to malware is more
 then a bit misleading.


 On 05/08/2018 04:51 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

 Protection goes a little farther than that, directories or folders have
 their own sets of permissions and if memory serves devices which are
 above directories in the hierarchy can have their own permissions as
 well.

 On Tue, 8 May 2018, Krishnakant Mane wrote:


 Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 01:37:03
 From: Krishnakant Mane <kkmane riseup net>
 To: kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>,
 ??? "orca-list gnome org" <orca-list gnome org>
 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 18.04 used for general business


 On the security side I might just add that Linux follows some
 standards which make it practically next to impossible for making
 virus.

 The thing is that there are sets of permissions for every file aka
 read, write and execute.

 although downloading software that you don't trust may damage either
 your user account or entire OS, there is no such Windows style virus
 where the thing can automatically "infect " your machine and self
 execute without you even knowing it.

 As Kendle properly pointed out, if you know what you are doing, then
 you are very secured.

 This is unlike Windows, where no matter how much you know, there is
 still great possibility of some thing automatically infecting your OS,
 even when you just insert pen drive or that sort.

 Happy hacking.

 Krishnakant.


 On Tuesday 08 May 2018 10:18 AM, kendell clark wrote:


 ?Hi

 ?I?ll second this, adding that I personally prefer the mate desktop,
 but
 ?either mate or gnome work equally well, and gnome has some online
 ?integration with services like google drive and iCloud that mate
 currently
 ?doesn?t have. The only thing that Linux does not do very well, and
 this is
 ?my own personal opinion is syncing apple media players like iPods
 and
 ?iPads, although it can be done with apps like gtkpod, gtkpod has
 some
 ?accessibility issues. Depending on your business Linux might serve
 you
 ?very well or it isn?t even an option. I will add that for most
 general
 ?business tasks, word processing, calendaring, email, web browsing
 Linux
 ?works well. As for viruses, you are extremely unlikely to get
 malware if
 ?you use software available from your local software app, like
 software
 ?boutique for ubuntu or the official repositories of whatever Linux
 distro
 ?you pick. It is still theoretically possible, but you have to work
 hard at
 ?it to manage it. Software package managers like apt verify packages
 with
 ?unique hashes and won?t allow you to install software that doesn?t
 match
 ?those hashes by default, though this can be worked around if needed,
 it?s
 ?not a good idea to do so unless you know what you?re doing. Opinions
 ?differ on orca?s suitability as a day to day screen reader, my
 personal
 ?opinion is that it works very well. It has bugs like all software
 does,
 ?some of them annoying, but joanie does a fantastic job, and not just
 of
 ?fixing orca bugs, but bugs in other pieces of accessibility
 software.
 ?Linux also has apps for other disabilities, like onboard on screen
 ?keyboard and magnifiers, the best integrated into the gnome desktop
 and
 ?the compiz window manager.

 ?Thanks

 ?Kendell Clark

 ?*From: *Christopher Chaltain <mailto:chaltain gmail com>
 ?*Sent: *Monday, May 7, 2018 6:16 PM
 ?*To: *Krishnakant Mane <mailto:kkmane riseup net>;
 sonfire11 gmail com
 ?<mailto:sonfire11 gmail com>; orca-list gnome org
 ?<mailto:orca-list gnome org>
 ?*Subject: *Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 18.04 used for general business

 ?Linux is safer then other operating systems, but it isn't virus
 free.
 ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

 ?I find Gnome to be your most accessible option, but I do know Mate
 is a
 ?very popular desktop, especially among the blind.

 ?On 05/07/2018 07:03 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

 ???? Hi,

 ???? Firstly, ubuntu or any GNU/Linux brand for that matter is virus
 free.

 ???? There is a lot of stability and ease of working.

 ???? You can try GNUKhata an accounting software if your business is
 ???? big enough.? <testing.gnukhata.in> will give you the live demo.

 ???? If the work is very small and you want a stand-alone software,
 you
 ???? can try GNUCash, although I must warn that a lot of features are
 ???? primitive/ missing.

 ???? Another thing about? Ubuntu is that there is a lot of us who
 help
 ???? people do their computing with total comfort.

 ???? Now a days a lot of huge and medium enterprises are using Ubuntu
 ???? in their offices.

 ???? I would recommend using Ubuntu-mate 18.04 for best
 accessibility.

 ???? Spreadsheets are also working pretty much fine as far as
 ???? accessibility is concerned.

 ???? You may have to spend a little while to learn Orca.

 ???? Things like alt for menus and cut copy paste shortcuts are same.

 ???? Alt + f4 will close the application.

 ???? Most names of the menus in programs are also same.

 ???? So go ahead and feel those advantages for 0 cost!

 ???? happy hacking.

 ???? Krishnakant.

 ???? On Monday 07 May 2018 04:58 PM, sonfire11 gmail com
 ???? <mailto:sonfire11 gmail com> wrote:

 ???????? Hi,

 ???????? I will soon be a business owner. I want to know the benefits
 ???????? of using Ubuntu 18.04 over Windows 10 for general business
 ???????? scenarios. What are the pros/cons? What is better from an
 ???????? accessibility perspective? What financial record keeping
 apps
 ???????? are accessible? What about presentations?




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