Re: [orca-list] text console use

[Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>]

Another competitor is edbrowse though the interface is very different from
other browsers it does support a useful subset of javascript.  It is
necessary to hit enter on fields you want to edit once a web page is
opened just like with w3m.  Another emacs browser is eww and that's run
from inside emacs.  Not all distributions have edbrowse available yet so
if the one you use doesn't show the package it will either need adding or
you'll have to download and build yourself.  Once built you need to run
the ebsetup script in the package as a user account in order to get
edbrowse set up and running properly on your system.



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I'm wondering how easy it'd be to add a11y stuff to w3m/elinks as well now since you suggested that. I'm 
definitely curious if that could be added into either. I like browsh, but......I'm not sure what I'm doing 
wrong honestly.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 02:32:28PM +0200, chrys linux-a11y org wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> yea the idea is pretty cool. may need some more accessibility work 
> maybe for navigation and stuff.
> but the concept is awsome. maybe someone can give a talk to the dev to 
> ask for some a11y tweaking.
>
> i think the odd name is a mix from BROWser and SHell. but i dont know 
> any details since i never used it. i just read at phoronix.com about 
> it.
>
> cheers chrys
>
> Zitat von Jace Kattalakis via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>:
>
> > I've played around with browsh too (what an odd name) and at least 
> > in mate-terminal for me on my laptop, I first had to fight with AWS 
> > to even get the thing downloaded, then when I got it working I like 
> > the idea. However, as with Jude's example. I ran into issues. I 
> > tried going to duckduckgo to do my usual cat videos test search. 
> > Sure, I can scroll around, but....and again, this might well be due 
> > to runnig it in a terminal, in my quick testing, I didn't find a way 
> > to focus a field to, for example, search for cat viddeos in 
> > duckduckgo, or even Google. It kept on saying unsupported version. I 
> > like the mobile/desktop UA switcher however and I love the 
> > idea.....but.....I'm not sure if I was merely doing something wrong 
> > just launching browsh after install with no arguments, or if I need 
> > to run it in a TTY with Fenrir active as opposed to a terminal? I'll 
> > play around with on my desktop to. I like the potential of it 
> > hooking into a headless Firefox actually. That's a pretty neat way 
> > to do stuff.
> >
> > Jace
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:58:09AM -0400, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote:
> > > OK, I'll shut up and dig more deeply. My bad.
> > >
> > > Thanks for this deeper look, Didier.
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Didier Spaier writes:
> > > > I just installed it. It speaks both in a console with speakup
> > > > and in mate-terminal with orca.
> > > >
> > > > Key bindings from the documentation (don't seem to work in a console):
> > > > F1 Opens the documentation (mt in Matae-terminal as that opens 
> > > > the terminal's help instead by default).
> > > > ARROW KEYS, PGUP, PGDN Scrolling
> > > > CTRL+q Exit app
> > > > CTRL+l Focus the URL bar
> > > > BACKSPACE Go back in history
> > > > CTRL+r Reload page
> > > > CTRL+t New tab
> > > > CTRL+w Close tab
> > > > CTRL+\ Cycle to next tab
> > > >
> > > > ALT+SHIFT+p Takes a screenshot. The status bar will display the saved path
> > > > ALT+m Toggles monochrome mode. Useful for overcoming rendering 
> > > > problems on older terminals.
> > > > ALT+u Toggles the user agent between a desktop and a mobile 
> > > > device. Useful for smaller terminals that want to use a more 
> > > > suitable layout.
> > > >
> > > > Nice try, but far to be as mature as lynx for now.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Didier
> > > >
> > > > On 10/15/18 11:38 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > > > I tried browsh and it opens the browsh home page but once that's done it
> > > > > appears the keyboard does not respond.  It could be I didn't use the
> > > > > right keys yet and I'm running this browsh command inside my home
> > > > > directory.  What's supplied is an executable for browsh.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, chrys wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:04:36
> > > > > > From: chrys <chrys linux-a11y org>
> > > > > > To: orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] text console use
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Howdy Fernando,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > take a look at browsh. its a CLI browser based on firefox.
> > > > > > maybe its a start
> > > > > > https://www.brow.sh/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cheers chrys
> > > > > > Am 15.10.18 um 22:11 schrieb Fernando Botelho:
> > > > > > > I looked for someone who could implement WebRTC on the 
> > > > > > > console but could not
> > > > > > > find anybody. I can look for funding again, if someone knows the right
> > > > > > > person.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10/13/2018 07:08 AM, Didier Spaier wrote:
> > > > > > > > To play Youtube on a Linux console, use mps-youtube.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About webRTC: I never heard of it until today. The home page says that
> > > > > > > > Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Android and IOS are supported and there is also
> > > > > > > > licode:
> > > > > > > > https://github.com/lynckia/licode
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What we need to integrate it with a text web browser like lynx is
> > > > > > > > developers. Do you volunteer?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course a graphical environment is easier to grab. But 
> > > > > > > > for those who have
> > > > > > > > the patience to learn, a text UI is usually as good and usually is more
> > > > > > > > feature comlete, when it exists.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stupidly old school? Yes I am, and proud of it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I didn't grew up on Commodore and stuff, because I used 
> > > > > > > > a personal personal
> > > > > > > > computer for the first time in 1978 (yes, 40 years ago) 
> > > > > > > > and neither ms-DOS
> > > > > > > > (1980) nor Commodore 64 (1082) existed then.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Still I was able to use the computer, which obviously 
> > > > > > > > had a proprietary OS,
> > > > > > > > to translate into French its BASIC interpreter (key words and error
> > > > > > > > messages), all that in 64 Kb of RAM (yes, kilobytes) and not having the
> > > > > > > > source code at hand.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > O Tempora! O Mores!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Didier
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 10/13/18 6:56 AM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You find me a CLI browser that can do webRTC and play 
> > > > > > > > > Youtube without a
> > > > > > > > > graphical environment, and I may change my tune but 
> > > > > > > > > I'd argue a graphical
> > > > > > > > > environment is easir to grab for everyone unless you're stupidly old
> > > > > > > > > school and grew up on Commodore and DOS stuff.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 12/10/18 20:13, Didier Spaier wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Funnily I would tend to ask the opposite question: why a blind person
> > > > > > > > > > would need a graphical environment?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I know at least one blind Slint users who never use one.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I believe that most things done in a graphical 
> > > > > > > > > > environment can also be
> > > > > > > > > > done in a console, often with a better productivity. This stands for
> > > > > > > > > > blind as well as sighted people.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A few examples: for writing you have a lot of text 
> > > > > > > > > > and code editors like
> > > > > > > > > > nano, emacs and vim, mutt for emails, lynx and links 
> > > > > > > > > > for web browsing,
> > > > > > > > > > mplayer to listen to music, vlc to listen to movies, crafty to play
> > > > > > > > > > chess, games like freeswipe or scribble, the list goes on and on.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Actually the first personal computer I used nearly 
> > > > > > > > > > 40 years ago didn't
> > > > > > > > > > have a graphical environment, maybe that's why I am 
> > > > > > > > > > used to text mode.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Didier
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 10/12/18 7:48 PM, Michael Weaver via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if this is the right list to ask on 
> > > > > > > > > > > as it is not strictly
> > > > > > > > > > > Orca but it is about text screenreaders but is 
> > > > > > > > > > > text console use still
> > > > > > > > > > > necessary. I am not quite clear on this point. The 
> > > > > > > > > > > reason is that you
> > > > > > > > > > > can use the terminals in gnome, Mate or maybe other desktops like
> > > > > > > > > > > mate-terminal from an alt F2 run prompt which is 
> > > > > > > > > > > why I ask about text
> > > > > > > > > > > consoles, your CTRL ALT F1 to F6 which don't speak 
> > > > > > > > > > > with Orca so need a
> > > > > > > > > > > different screenreader.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just curious with projects like Fenrir.
> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > orca-list gnome org
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> > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka
> > >
> > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
> > >
> > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures        http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > GNOME Universal Access guide: 
> > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>
>
>
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