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Re: [orca-list] text console use

Hello Keith,

It indeed seems that the re installation of espeakup failed, but I can't say  why neither how to solve that, 
sorry. 

Ican't reproduce as Slint doesn't ship the same system tools as Debian as (no systemd and no dpkg).

We would need more information before jumping to a conclusion like a problem with espeakup or espeak.
However, espeakup being a daemon (a process running in you system in the background) possibly something could 
kill it.
You can check that typing in mate-terminal "ps -C espeakup --noheaders". If the output is empty, espeakup is 
not running.

Instead the issue could as well be conflicting resources usage (like audio devices) by apps outputting audio 
streams.

To investigate further we would need to know which is in use by speech dispatcher for audio output,
and also the settings of all audio apps in use like alsa, libao, pulse, whatever. 

Also, it is not necessary to remove pulse audio.
Audio apps using pulseadio or audio apps using directly alsa can coexist nicely, with proper settings of both 
alsa and pulse.
That's what we do in Slint and this allows to switch between consolse and graphical modes without losing 
speech.

Last, please next time open a new thread for a new topic.

Best regards,

Didier 


On 10/17/18 4:09 PM, Keith Barrett wrote:


With all the chat on text console use, I am hoping some one here may be able to reproduce an issue I am 
having with speakup in the console.

Debian buster with 4.18.10-2pulseaudio removed and purged.

I am loosing speech in the console, usually when switching between orca back to the text console but some 
times speech just stops without switching.
I still have audio working in the console using speaker-test proves this.
The only way I have found to get speech back is to restart the system.

I think the problem is either espeakup or espeak.

I have tryed removing espeakup and reinstalling but it now does not fully install and so I have no speech 
in the console.

The output of apt-get is below.

Can any one reproduce this?



Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
espeakup is already the newest version (1:0.80-10).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Setting up espeakup (1:0.80-10) ...
update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
Job for espeakup.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
See "systemctl status espeakup.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
invoke-rc.d: initscript espeakup, action "start" failed.
● espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
   Loaded: loaded 
(#]8;;file://debian/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service#/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service#]8;;#; 
enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
   Active: activating (auto-restart) (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2018-10-15 23:15:52 BST; 17ms ago
     Docs: #]8;;man:espeakup(8)#man:espeakup(8)#]8;;#
  Process: 3089 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup -V ${VOICE} #[0;1;31m(code=exited, status=2)#[0m
dpkg: error processing package espeakup (--configure):
 installed espeakup package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 espeakup


On 15/10/18 23:00, Didier Spaier wrote:-ed -

I just installed it. It speaks both in a console with speakup
and in mate-terminal with orca.

Key bindings from the documentation (don't seem to work in a console):
F1 Opens the documentation (mt in Matae-terminal as that opens the terminal's help instead by default).
ARROW KEYS, PGUP, PGDN Scrolling
CTRL+q Exit app
CTRL+l Focus the URL bar
BACKSPACE Go back in history
CTRL+r Reload page
CTRL+t New tab
CTRL+w Close tab
CTRL+\ Cycle to next tab

ALT+SHIFT+p Takes a screenshot. The status bar will display the saved path
ALT+m Toggles monochrome mode. Useful for overcoming rendering problems on older terminals.
ALT+u Toggles the user agent between a desktop and a mobile device. Useful for smaller terminals that want 
to use a more suitable layout.

Nice try, but far to be as mature as lynx for now.

Best,
Didier

On 10/15/18 11:38 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I tried browsh and it opens the browsh home page but once that's done it
appears the keyboard does not respond.  It could be I didn't use the
right keys yet and I'm running this browsh command inside my home
directory.  What's supplied is an executable for browsh.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, chrys wrote:


Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:04:36
From: chrys <chrys linux-a11y org>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] text console use

Howdy Fernando,

take a look at browsh. its a CLI browser based on firefox.
maybe its a start
https://www.brow.sh/


cheers chrys
Am 15.10.18 um 22:11 schrieb Fernando Botelho:

I looked for someone who could implement WebRTC on the console but could not
find anybody. I can look for funding again, if someone knows the right
person.


Fernando



On 10/13/2018 07:08 AM, Didier Spaier wrote:

To play Youtube on a Linux console, use mps-youtube.

About webRTC: I never heard of it until today. The home page says that
Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Android and IOS are supported and there is also
licode:
https://github.com/lynckia/licode

What we need to integrate it with a text web browser like lynx is
developers. Do you volunteer?

Of course a graphical environment is easier to grab. But for those who have
the patience to learn, a text UI is usually as good and usually is more
feature comlete, when it exists.

Stupidly old school? Yes I am, and proud of it.

I didn't grew up on Commodore and stuff, because I used a personal personal
computer for the first time in 1978 (yes, 40 years ago) and neither ms-DOS
(1980) nor Commodore 64 (1082) existed then.

Still I was able to use the computer, which obviously had a proprietary OS,
to translate into French its BASIC interpreter (key words and error
messages), all that in 64 Kb of RAM (yes, kilobytes) and not having the
source code at hand.

O Tempora! O Mores!

Best,

Didier

On 10/13/18 6:56 AM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:

You find me a CLI browser that can do webRTC and play Youtube without a
graphical environment, and I may change my tune but I'd argue a graphical
environment is easir to grab for everyone unless you're stupidly old
school and grew up on Commodore and DOS stuff.


On 12/10/18 20:13, Didier Spaier wrote:

Funnily I would tend to ask the opposite question: why a blind person
would need a graphical environment?

I know at least one blind Slint users who never use one.

I believe that most things done in a graphical environment can also be
done in a console, often with a better productivity. This stands for
blind as well as sighted people.

A few examples: for writing you have a lot of text and code editors like
nano, emacs and vim, mutt for emails, lynx and links for web browsing,
mplayer to listen to music, vlc to listen to movies, crafty to play
chess, games like freeswipe or scribble, the list goes on and on.

Actually the first personal computer I used nearly 40 years ago didn't
have a graphical environment, maybe that's why I am used to text mode.

Best,

Didier

On 10/12/18 7:48 PM, Michael Weaver via orca-list wrote:

I don't know if this is the right list to ask on as it is not strictly
Orca but it is about text screenreaders but is text console use still
necessary. I am not quite clear on this point. The reason is that you
can use the terminals in gnome, Mate or maybe other desktops like
mate-terminal from an alt F2 run prompt which is why I ask about text
consoles, your CTRL ALT F1 to F6 which don't speak with Orca so need a
different screenreader.

Just curious with projects like Fenrir.

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